Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Iso Joe react to Commanders big trade + Micah Parsons drama continues

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 — Unc, Ocho & Iso Joe React to Commanders’ Big Trade + Micah Parsons Drama Continues

iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media | August 23, 2025

Episode Overview

In this lively Friday night “Nightcap” episode, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe sits down with Chad “Ocho Cinco” Johnson and “Iso Joe” Johnson to unpack the latest NFL headlines. Major topics include the Washington Commanders’ trade of Brian Robinson Jr. to the 49ers, the ongoing narrative about the Cincinnati Bengals being “cheap,” the Micah Parsons–Jerry Jones contract drama, and the rise of rookie tight end Brock Bowers. The trio share candid, humorous banter, personal stories, and behind-the-scenes insights into NFL culture and business.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Commanders Trade Brian Robinson Jr. to the 49ers (05:50–09:19)

• Trade Details: Brian Robinson Jr. moves from Washington to the injury-plagued San Francisco 49ers for a 2026 sixth-round pick.

  • Sharpe notes the 49ers’ RB room is severely “banged up,” making the deal a “no-brainer." (05:50)
  • Chad Johnson: “They had to get somebody... bring a veteran presence in that… can run the ball. It was a spot that was needed. They gonna be all right.” (05:54)

• 49ers’ Running Backs’ Durability Concerns:

  • Sharpe discusses overusing Christian McCaffrey: "You want to keep him healthy throughout the season... you’re asking a guy [that’s] 205 to touch the ball 300-plus times… it’s a cumulative effect.” (06:57)

• Trade Value Viewpoint:

  • Sharpe explains the business sense: “I turned a guy I was gonna release... into draft compensation. Got a sixth-round pick… I like the move for both [teams].” (09:10)

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2. Are the Bengals the Cheapest NFL Team? Boomer Esiason’s Critique (12:34–18:00+, main discussion resumes throughout 12:34–30:00)

• Boomer Esiason’s Allegation: Bengals make Ring of Honor inductees pay for flights, hotels, and extra tickets. “Boomer… called the Bengals out for making their legends pay...” (12:47)

• Sharpe’s Experience with Other Teams:

  • “Anytime they have something, alumni weekend… they will bring the alumni back, pay for them, put them up at no cost.... But not the Bengals. The Bengals say, ‘Nah, y’all get out there with the rest of the fans.’” (13:54)

• Ocho Cinco’s Defense:

  • “The alumni that come back for the Ring of Honor sit in the suites...” (15:33)

  • Admits uncertainty on who covers hotel costs: “I always stay at the AC Hotel... I didn’t book my stuff.... My baby…handled it.” (16:22)

  • Sharpe presses: “Did it come off your credit card or theirs?” (16:19)

  • Chad: “All these opportunities, all these jobs, and y’all complain about buying a hotel room?” (17:18)

• Wider Culture in Cincinnati:

  • Ocho champions city and team: “Cincinnati is one of the most beautiful places you could ever be, you could ever live. I guarantee if you visit there, you won’t want to leave.” (24:20, 24:47)

• Sharpe’s Final Word:

  • “You gotta make sure the former player [is] straight, bro.” (25:56)

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3. Micah Parsons & Jerry Jones Direct Negotiations — Contract Controversy (36:07–43:30)

• Situation Recap: Jerry Jones, Cowboys owner & GM, directly negotiates with Parsons, raising potential grievance filings.

  • Sharpe explains: “You can’t direct negotiate directly, so you’re gonna have to remove yourself.... Jerry saying he can wear both of them hats.” (37:01–37:36)

• Chad on NFL Power Dynamics:

  • “Owners… when you got that kind of money, you can play by your own set of rules.” (37:41)
  • “When you’re the most profitable franchise…you can make your own rules... walk around and talk the way he talks, nothin’ anybody can do about it.” (38:00)

• Sharpe likens Jerry to Al Davis: “Jerry Jones sat at the feet of Al Davis and learned all that Al knew. So he’s the modern-day Al Davis. It works as long as you got one, you start getting two, three, four, it’s not gonna work.” (38:15)

• Player Negotiations Complexity:

  • “NFL contracts… look like a goddamn pamphlet…. It’s somewhat insulting, the owner coming, trying to undermine you and your agent.” (39:35–40:26)
  • “All that needs to be [gone] over with a fine teeth comb… The players don’t know all that. What we want to know: what are my guarantees?” (41:40)

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4. Brock Bowers: Emergence of a Star Tight End (43:33–47:02)

• Record-Breaking Rookie Year: Bowers named 24th best player in NFL after a stellar rookie season with 112 receptions, 1,194 yards, 5 TDs—a rookie TE record.

  • Chad: “Oh, he’s so goddamn good, Unc. Man. Most times, there’s a waiting process… he came to the league and ain’t miss a beat.” (44:55–45:09)

• Is It Too Soon to Call Him the Best?

  • Sharpe: “It’s hard for me to give it to a player after one year. But if he puts together… another year of consistency…” (45:41)

• Unique Offense Opportunity:

  • “They don’t have the Chase, the Jetta... He is that in the Raiders offense... He’s gonna get the most targets, the most opportunities.... This kid can play in the NFL now. He that good.” (46:29)

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5. NFL Injury News, Leaks, and Power of the Shield (50:17–56:34)

• Coach Mike Vrabel’s Disdain for Media Leaks:

  • Vrabel on Jalen Pope’s injury report: “I’d like to find out where some of these [rumors] come from… some of these rats around here.” (50:38)
  • Sharpe on reporters' sources: “Owners, head coaches, GMs, players… that’s how Adam Schefter stays in business.” (51:09)

• NFL Power Culture:

  • Chad: “The shield in the NFL [will] remind people... nothing will be bigger than our program…. There’s certain lines you cannot cross.” (53:00)

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6. Injury Settlements and Guaranteed Money in NFL vs. NBA (56:34–58:41)

• How It Works in the NFL:
  • Sharpe: “You can’t cut an injured player, you have to offer an injury settlement.” (56:34)
  • “A lot of guys ain’t got that guaranteed money, so… football’s a gladiator sport.” (58:41)
  • Chad: “Every play could be damn near a career-ending play… that’s why you gotta be built like this out there, Joe.” (58:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the 49ers’ necessity behind the Brian Robinson trade:

  • “All their damn running backs are banged up... they had to get somebody....” — Chad Johnson (05:51)
  • "You asking a guy 205 to touch the ball 300-plus times… Eventually, he might get through the season, but then the cumulative effect..." — Shannon Sharpe (06:57)

• On Bengals owner frugality and Ocho’s defense:

  • “I played for two teams… Any time they have something alumni weekend… they’ll pay for them to come back, put them up at no cost... But not the Bengals.” — Shannon Sharpe (13:54)
  • “Cincinnati is one of the most beautiful places you could ever be…you won’t want to leave.” — Ocho Cinco (24:47)

• On luxury and Walmart:

  • “Name something that goes in Walmart that people consider luxurious... What’s luxurious in Walmart?” — Shannon Sharpe (32:47, 33:25)
  • “Me.” — Chad Johnson (33:27)

• On NFL owners and power:

  • “Owners in general… you can play by your own set of rules.” — Chad Johnson (37:41)
  • “Jerry Jones… is the modern-day Al Davis.” — Shannon Sharpe (38:15)

• On rookie Brock Bowers:

  • “Most of the time there’s a waiting process... [he] came to the league and ain’t miss a beat.” — Chad Johnson (45:09)
  • “If he puts together another year of consistency…” — Shannon Sharpe (45:41)

• On NFL’s culture of control:

  • “The shield in the NFL is one that will remind people… nothing will be bigger than our program.” — Chad Johnson (53:00)
  • “Color in between the lines, Ocho.” — Shannon Sharpe (54:43)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Commanders–49ers trade breakdown: 05:50–09:19
• Bengals’ Ring of Honor, cheap owner debate: 12:34–30:00
• Luxury wear at Walmart debate: 31:07–35:50
• Micah Parsons/Jerry Jones contract drama: 36:07–43:30
• Brock Bowers discussion: 43:33–47:02
• Coach Vrabel/media leaks & NFL power: 50:17–56:34
• NFL injury settlements vs. NBA buyouts: 56:34–58:41

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Summary

This episode captures the energy and camaraderie that makes Club Shay Shay’s Nightcap a must-listen for NFL fans, mixing serious insider insight with entertaining back-and-forth and the unfiltered opinions of three sports icons. Whether dissecting serious labor disputes or playfully arguing about luxury sweatsuits in Walmart or the city of Cincinnati, the trio ensures the conversation stays fresh, funny, and informed.

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[Chad Johnson]

Like a no brainer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean all their damn running backs are banged up. Cmac.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, listen, they, they had that, they had to get somebody and obviously bring, bring a veteran presence in that, that can come in and he's not, he's not Christian McAffrey, but could run the ball. Obviously it, it was a, it was a spot that was needed. They, they gonna be all right. Outside of that, I'm, I'm still curious with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can run and catch the oo. He got, he got good hands. He can catch it out the backfield and that's what you need to be in the 49ers offense. You know, Kyle like to run a lot of screens. He like to run a bubble.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I was trying to say the receiver position, the receiver position. I, I, I'm not sure if, if, if the, if the calls outside have been answered yet based on 49ers. Yeah, for the 49ers, you know, Brandon Ayuk is not back yet. I mean, who's going to step up and be that number one? Is it going to be Ricky Purcell? Is he going to take that next step in, in, in seeing himself viewed as a number one receiver. I mean that, that, that's still yet to be answered.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Number one receivers get number one coverage. Hey, hey, look, hey, look, Uncle Nocho. And you don't want to put too much on cmac, you know, you want to try to keep him healthy throughout the season. Yeah, I think that's going to be the biggest key for them. Well, absolutely. Look, he's only so, he's only so big. I mean he probably 205. You're asking a guy 205 to touch the ball 300 plus times. Eventually he might get through the season, but then the cumulative effect, now you got the, now you got postseason. So he runs at 250. You throw it to him another, you know, times ocho. So that's 325 touches. Now I'm not talking about the ones that, you know, he didn't catch the ball he got hit. Anyway, I'm not talking about the time that he got blocked, that he blocked and that's a collision. I'm not talking about the time he got tackled, he landed on the ground, that's a hit. And the guy landed on top of him or two guys landed on top of him. So it's a cumulative effect of somebody. He's not Derrick Henry. He's not, he's not, he's not Saquon, he's not built. Now is he put together? Yes. But he's a compact. A 200. He's still 205 pounds. And I mean Emmet Emt wasn't the biggest guy, but Emt knew how to get down. You didn't get no, you didn't get no clean shot on EMT. And then plus you saw them 350lb hogs he was running behind. So by the time you realized it, he was already 10 yards down the field. So you dragging him down, you ain't getting no clean shot on him. But I agree with you guys, I, I, I think this is a look you gonna release him. So I turned him a guy that I was gonna release Ocho and Joe, I turned it into a draft, a draft compensation. I got a six round pick for a guy that I was gonna release and somebody could have picked him up for nothing. Now obviously the 49ers wouldn't have been able to get him because they had the record. So I probably he been a vet, he'll lowest the highest. So whoever finished with the worst record would have first dibs on him. This way I keep him out of the free agency, you know, free agent market and I get the guy. They said okay fine, you want him give a 6 round draft pick. So I like to move, I like to move for the 49ers for the simple fact they're banged up at that position. And I love the move for Washington, they have an overflow at that position, so something I was going to have to get rid of anyway. Ocho, I turned it into draft compensation.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, there's this narrative that the Bengals are one of the cheapest teams in the NFL. Joe, I don't know if you know this.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. That narrative should be gone. Have you seen? Have you seen. Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just after we. After we read this, I'm gonna let you know, chat. I will let the chat chime in and what y' all think? Boomer. Assassin. I worked with boom for 10 years, a decade at CBS, called the Bengals out for making their legends pay for their own flight, hotel, and extra tickets to a Ring of Fame, a Ring of Honor game. Boomer, one of the most decorated quarterbacks in Bengals history. He's one of two Bengals players to ever win the MVP award, and he took the team to Subo. So Ken Anderson won the award. Boomer won the award. Ken took him to the Super Bowl. Boomer took him to the Super Bowl. So did Joe. Boomer also has a game in which he's thrown for over 500 yards. He's also in the Ring of Honor the team is offering for him to attend the event, the Bringers Ring of Honor, in late October to honor Dave Laughlin and Lamar.

[Chad Johnson]

Lamar Parish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lamar Parish. Okay. As part of the class of 2020.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lapham. Lapham and Parish will bring the total number to 12 as part of the invite. Joe, check this out. Assassin gets two complimentary game tickets to sit in the stands, plus the option to buy another ticket. But rather than pay for Assassin's travel and lodging like most teams would do, the team said that they're paying for a block of rooms at the Renaissance Hotel in Cincinnati and that Esiason could stay there for a preferred discounted rate. Assassin had to RSVP by Friday in order to guarantee his seat for the game. He later added that he believed he was expected to play for his flight as well. Now, I don't know how anybody. I don't listen. I can only speak. Joe. I played for two teams. I played for the Ravens. I played for the Broncos. Anytime, anytime they have something alumni weekend, they have somebody being honored. Somebody's going into the Ring of Fame. Somebody's getting their hall of Fame ring. They will bring the alumni back, pay for them to come back, put them up at no cost. They will have suites so the players can go in there and have a good time. But not the Bengals. The bingo say, nah. Y' all get out there with the rest of the fans.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I mean, no, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You sit in the Suites. So that. That's. That. That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't what he said. That's not what he said.

[Chad Johnson]

The. The alumni that come back for the Ring of Honor sit in the suites. They don't sit in the. They don't sit in the stands. They're like. That's so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why. So why would they say I didn't.

[Chad Johnson]

Been all that Monk? We sit in the know. I don't know what Boomer talk about. I went. I went into the Ring of Honor with Boomer. Those that are part of the Ring of Honor alumni have been back once already. You sit in the suites, you don't sit in the stands. Now as far as room and board goes, I'm not sure how that works. I always stay at the AC Hotel right on the banks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you pay for that or do they pay for it?

[Chad Johnson]

They have a. Wait, wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do they pay for it or do you pay for it? It is a simple question.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't remember. I don't remember. Because you do remember.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did it come off your credit card or did it come off their credit card?

[Chad Johnson]

I remember. I remember that. I didn't book my stuff. I didn't book my stuff. You know my baby, baby, she upstairs. She handled it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. At the time you were not with your baby upstairs. So when you go back for function for the Cincinnati Bengals, are you paying for it out of your pocket or are they comping? Comping everything they should be comping, man. Chat, chat. Joe, let me finish this. Joe. Chad, you see what he did? He went all around that. He did all that hucking and bucket that. The Bengals don't pay.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. So, so all the, all these, all these. So. Y', all, y', all, y', all, y', all, y'. All. We spend all this money all season long and we complain about. About buying and buying a hotel room. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho don't do the team invited you back. Ocho, you got an invitation. How about this here? When I went to the hall of Fame. When I went to the hall of Fame.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, time out, Joe. You out there on a 30 million dollar property, you got 2 million dollars in dogs and y' all complaining about buying the hotel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, listen, listen, listen. Check this out, check this out. Arkinocho. When, when, when? Phoenix. Anytime. Hold up.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anytime. Phoenix has done something, whether it was for Maurice Stoudemire, whether it was for Steve Nash, they invite all us back. They pay for us to come. Not only that, they pay us to be There, Joe. When I went to the hall of fame, Mr. Bolan paid. Mr. Bolan, obviously, I got come. My brother was my presenter. He said, I'll pay for 30 people to come and put 30 people up. He paid for the party when we came. When I came to get my ring for the. He paid. Whomever you want to come, we had a suite to ourselves. When we have. When we have the super bowl, everybody comes back. You plus one, you. We have a suite. As a matter of fact, we have two or three suites. And there's a get together, there's a golf event, but he flies you in a guest end. I'm shocked. I'm looking at this. I'm like, it can't be like this for everybody. The Ravens. The Ravens, when they invite me come back to stuff. I'm like, well, I might not be able to make it, but I need. I travel with my camera guy. Okay. He covered. Yeah. They make you. Oh, we blocked it off. Oh, Joe, hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

With a discount rate, too. You ain't got to pay full price.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. If the discount rate is free.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. He ain't got to pay full price, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I understand. I know. I. Look, I had it special. I know I had it special because when I would go back for events, I didn't even stay. I didn't even stay at the regular hotel. I told Mr. B. I said, that was too. I said, Mr. B, I pick up the phone and call. I said, Mr. B, that's too far. He said, 84. Stay wherever you want. We got it. His secretary name was Lisa. Send it to Lisa. She'll take care of it. Yeah, anything with the Ravens. Boom. Hey, when. When. When I broke the record. Caught the most. When I broke Ozzy's record, they flew my family in. They flew my mom, my mom, my kids, my sister, my homeboy. They did that. I can't believe the people. Oh, my goodness.

[Chad Johnson]

Get up off us, man. Get up off us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they got too much. Hey, they got too much.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, get up off us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got too much money in that offense.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, let me tell you something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me tell you something. They said they invited you back. Now, we can't pay for everything, but what we can do for you is we can discount you some room for. You don't have to pay full price.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. I ain't paying for es. I'm gonna discount it. I'mma discount your airline. I'm glad you said that. That what I got.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Hey, hey, boy. Y' all able.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now. Y' all heard it. Y' all heard Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, let me. Let me tell you something about us now. We love. We love to pay full price when it's convenient. It's something we want to do. But when it comes to other stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You invited me.

[Chad Johnson]

Ochre come to other stuff, boy, I tell you, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Oh, Joe, you want to. Ocho, remember we had the conversation about people charging people charging people to come their wedding?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like. I ain't pay you.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a no, no. Now. That's a no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you would invite me to the ring of honor and then charge me? What the. Come on, O. You know that ain't right. Got a bull, J Day.

[Chad Johnson]

But listen, they have. Listen, this is. They have a way of doing their thing, doing things that. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Johnson]

That's the way they do their things. You know, I ain't got. I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, O can ask you a question. So when, when, when, when. When. When you guys come.

[Chad Johnson]

When they come back in October, I'm gonna let. I'm gonna let you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it's only 10, Ocho. It's only 10 guys. You mean to tell me they can't comp 10 guys and pick up 10 guys rooms?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you know, 10 guys rooms, that's, that's, that's. That's 10. Boom. Depending on how much a room is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gotta deal with the. They got to deal with the Hotel Ocho in Cincinnati. First of all, you're not putting anybody up at the Four Seasons. You're not putting anybody up at the Ritz Carlton. You're not putting anybody up at the Intercontinental or any of those fancy places like that. So it's going to be a. A Marriott, it's going to be a Hyatt. It's going to be what?

[Chad Johnson]

It's going to be a nice hotel in Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody say, okay, that's what it is. That's what. That's what Boomer said. The Renaissance.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know what the pricing at the Renaissance is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm sure it's the night it's in Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

250. Look it up.

[Chad Johnson]

You getting real, like, real, real sassy. Talking about Cincinnati like Cincinnati is better than different. What are you talking about? What Cincinnati is better than mine? What are we talking about? Don't. Don't get it mistaken. Listen, my city has grown exponentially over the years. Have you been to Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

$206.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me finish. You've been in Cincinnati over on the banks. You've been over there on the river, huh? Have you seen the restaurants? Have you? Have you. Have you been there? Have you seen the women?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't got nothing in Cincinnati, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Top, top, top five in the world. You hear me, Joe? What? Yeah, what you talk about? Well, Cincinnati don't play. What you telling me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sleep. Well, you do realize Jordan was born and raised in Cincinnati. And Jordan is shaking his head.

[Chad Johnson]

Michael Jordan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'll tell about. I'll talk about my Jordan here.

[Chad Johnson]

Laughing. Jordan ain't been in Cincinnati so long, he don't know what's out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just got back off vacation in July.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, well, he know. He know. Let me tell you. Hey, let me tell you something about Cincinnati, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Got Paycor Stadium, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Got one of the worst in NFL.

[Chad Johnson]

Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful restaurant right there on the banks, right? Condos, apartments have gone up. Dog, my dog, my dog. Got a funnel truck out there called Funnel Cake Island. You hear me? But Cincinnati is. Is been on the come up. And people don't realize it because they think of Cincinnati of the old. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you're saying if I go to Cincinnati now, I can catch a nice little vibe?

[Chad Johnson]

Yo, you go to Cincinnati tomorrow, boy, you gonna fall in love and you'll move. You'll go get your property out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you, this man talking about a food truck.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm talking about Cincinnati in general. Food, the people. We got the best fans in the world, Joe. What you talk about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all ain't got but 25,000.

[Chad Johnson]

25,000 what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fans.

[Chad Johnson]

But let me see. Everything about Cincinnati is better than Denver and Baltimore, and that's no different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not even close.

[Chad Johnson]

Not even close to the city and the fans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, guys, you got 10 guys coming back. One of the guys that's coming back. Well, first of all, the guy that's coming back, he's in the ring. His name is up in the stadium. And y'. All. And the room, Joe, is $206. It's probably for one day. It's probably one day, 206. So you bring the guys in. I don't know how they do it, but they would always bring us in on a Friday. We have something Friday night. Saturday you have something during the day. You have a golf event during the day. You wake up, they get. Feed your breakfast. You bus over to the stadium, they bust you to the stadium, they got it Laid out. You got food and stuff, normal food that's in the suite. They got that. Then they take you back to the. You take. You get back on the bus, they take you back to the hotel, you take your ass home doing that.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I tell you what, I don't know about nobody else but Cincinnati take care of me, and I don't have to pay for nothing. How about that? How about. How about. How about that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta make sure the former player straight, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't had to pay for nothing in Cincinnati since 2002. So what y' all talk about? I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. What Boomer talking about? Because I wouldn't. We are. Everybody know they cheat nobody.

[Chad Johnson]

We just paid Joe Burrow 55 million. We just paid Jamar Chase north of 40. We just paid T. Higgins 35.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You've been in existence. You've been in existence since 1968. You've been in existence till. Since 1968. So if you finally paid three players in the last three years, what about the other 54 years?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you have to evolve, huh? Everything has to evolve over time. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cheese.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, let me finish. Cheeseburgers at McDonald's used to be 30 cent, Joe. Yeah, it used to be 30 cents. Now they. Now they 2.12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tell Joe where y' all practice at on the.

[Chad Johnson]

On the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Where y' all feel at on grass? Where the grass feel at on the water? Under. On. Under an overpass so people can stop their part. People can park their car.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, we practice. Hey. Oh, Joe, we practice on the water.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? The water. Hey, y' all ain't on the damn water.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a beautiful breeze. A beautiful breeze. It hits through the gate under the overpass. And so it's. The breeze is always flowing while you practice. So even when it's hot, it's still cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can ride by and throw trash on the field. Joe. I can ride by and throw trash on the field.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Let me tell you something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't listen.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't listen. Cincinnati is one of the most beautiful places you could ever be, you could ever live. And I guarantee if you visit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Am I lying?

[Chad Johnson]

If you visit there, you won't want to leave.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I promise you. Oo. I promise you this. OO. You take. Take this to the bank. I won't tell you everything, but I won't lie about anything.

[Chad Johnson]

You know me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's for you.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, one thing. One thing about Joe. You know, when it come to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

When it come to Me, I laugh at both of y', all, but I never lied to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. No, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You lied. You lied to us, though, recently. Yeah, we'll get into it. Cincinnati not being cheap.

[Chad Johnson]

We not. Hey, listen, one thing about it, when it comes to business, it's about longevity. Huh? It's about longevity. Not just forking it out because you can. Not forking out because, Ocho, how you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make it seem like y' all got people. Ocho, Y' all make it seem like y' all got people going into the Ring of Honor every year. Y' all don't. Y' all ain't got it like that. Y' all ain't got no rich history.

[Chad Johnson]

You know who played in Cincinnati? Oh, well, no, let me finish, Joe. You know who played in Cincinnati. You want. You want about rich history? Do you know who played in Cincinnati?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know every. All the great players that played in Cincinnati.

[Chad Johnson]

One name one of the greatest they ever played in Cincinnati. Rich history.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy. Joe, you know what I'm talking about, Joe, Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

What a young girl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anthony Munoz. Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anthony Munoz.

[Chad Johnson]

Rich history.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anthony Munoz ain't from the Liberty City. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Well, Osho played in Cincinnati. What? Rich history. Hey, listen. Hey, he might be funny, he might be entertaining, but you can't talk the story of wide receiver without his name, but one of the greatest, huh? What we talking about? Rich history.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, We. Ocho, we not trying to deny you your respect, your rightful place.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't talk about my city like that. Don't talk about my team like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your black ass from Liberty City. You ain't from Cincinnati.

[Chad Johnson]

Deserve it, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y'. All. You ain't from Cincinnati.

[Chad Johnson]

Brown allowed me to live my childhood dream, boy, I'm from Cincinnati, too. What you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You right there for the poking beans. You grew up in the poking beans.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's me. That's me. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's me. You know. You know, I should be out there. Pew, pew, pew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but y' all wrong for that old joke.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, stall us out, huh? Come on, now. Every. Every teacher operate the same. Okay? Mike Brown doesn't do what Mr. Boland did. You know that? That don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no. We got. What you call him now. We got Walton Penner, so I know they gonna lay that thing out.

[Chad Johnson]

The Walmart family.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a son. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That's who owned the Broncos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Oh, heck.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, mister. What's his name? Mr. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Walt Penner. The Walt Penner Group. Him and his.

[Chad Johnson]

Pinner, if you see this man, holla at your boy. I'm looking to get a line in Walmart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Ocho, they're my people, man. I can put you in contact with them. What you looking for?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just trying to put an affordable line for my people in the world due to the economy that the people can afford of luxury wear. Affordable luxury wear in all Walmarts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know if luxury and affordable go hand in hand. That's oxymoron. That's oxymoronic. Luxury and affordable problem.

[Chad Johnson]

You allow the man to make you think luxury isn't affordable, therefore you've been brainwashed. Is luxury has to be expensive. And that's what I'm trying to break. My brother, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's the person that described luxury in the dictionary. Yeah, I don't know. So you got to go way, way, way back.

[Chad Johnson]

That's the problem. That's. That's what the man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Luxury.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what the man has done to us. He has put us in the box and thinking that Lux has to be affordable, therefore it must cost a certain money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm trying to show you. No, every time.

[Chad Johnson]

To show you luxury can look good for under a hundred dollars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like saying affordable housing. Nobody expect affordable housing. We expect affordable housing to be affordable. That means a lot of the masses can't afford it. You're not trying to get some. Is anything on Star island affordable?

[Chad Johnson]

Who you ask? It depends on who you ask, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, ain't no who you ask affordable. Star island ain't affordable.

[Chad Johnson]

See, See, you're not listening to me. You're not listening to me, my bro listening. I'm trying to take you outside the box and show you luxury can be more than one thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The reason why you putting it in Walmart tells you everything you need to know. So name something that goes in Walmart that people consider luxurious because they buy. Let me.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell you. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get him together right now, Joe. I'm gonna get together right now, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

You want to know something that is of luxury that goes in Walmart, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Now ask me the question. Ask me the question. Tell me something that goes in Walmart, that's luxury. Go ahead, ask me the question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's. What's luxurious in Walmart?

[Chad Johnson]

Me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't in there yet. I will be. Now, look, Walmart does. I think Walmart. Walmart and Costco sell diamonds. I think they got a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand dollar diamonds in there, right? And Walmart and Costco. I know Costco. I know. Yeah, yeah, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm, but I'm saying there's. But Walmart. Normally when you think of Walmart, people go to Walmart, they're like walmart cost you buying in bulk. You ain't, you're not trying to go spend 200 on a sweatsuit. You know what I'm saying? So you, when you go in there, it's like Shaq, Shaq sold his shoes. They were affordable. 20, 40. I think the highest pair was maybe like what, $30. That's different than you said. Okay, I'm gonna be in Foot Locker or I'm gonna be in Nike town or I'm gonna be at Shoe Palace. So that, that's all I'm saying. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I'm just saying when you, you say luxurious and affordable to.

[Chad Johnson]

Me or someone who shops at Walmart for someone. Where's the clothes at Walmart? Matter of fact, I got one for you right now, Joe. And I bet you people in the chat don't even know about this. What you too? Because you might.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you got?

[Chad Johnson]

Have you seen in the Avias that Walmart sales that look like New Balance?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I have, I have seen them. You know Avia.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Avia. The aviators. Yeah. A V, I, A, Yes, Avia.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what you said.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man. Joe boy. Joe. I got, I got the blue pair and I got a white pair with the neon green lining. Joe. And the white pair with the blue line and Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, yeah, I actually, I did a, I did a, I did a speaking engagement up in, in Bentonville at the, at the Walmart headquarter for about 3,000 people. Yeah. Many years ago. Joe. You probably was in. This had to be 2000. And this had to be like 2000. 2000. You know all this up there where I went to college at, man, the University of Arkansas, for real. And we call Bud Walton arena because it's after the wall, after the Walmart, after Waltons. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

All right. And listen, I'm glad y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All, they put, they the One that put five and dime out of business. The 5 and 10s door.

[Chad Johnson]

This is why relationships are so important. See played there. Joe. Know the people. Y' all gonna put me in connection. I got a vision and I wouldn't be able to make this. This. This vision happen without the connection and the WI fi of y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I tell people all the time. The number one thing in business is relationships. People think it's brains. No, it's about relationships because you never. Because here's the thing, you never know that person that used to sweep up this and sweep up that or did this. That was a lower level. He done. He or she done moved up the ranks anyway. Speaking of Arkansas natives, Jerry Jones doubled down on Michael Parkins today. We got him for three years, no matter what. Michael Parson. With the team's final preseason game tonight, someone in the tunnel shot Michael come to the Falcons. Michael responded, man, y' all know Matt Schaub, a candidate. Check this out. Matt Schaub, a candidate for NFL executive director, wants the union to file an immediate grievance against Cowboys Jerry Jones for negotiating directly with Michael Parsons.

[Chad Johnson]

Which you should not be doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but see what he's trying to do? Ocho. Here's the thing, though, what he's trying to say. I'm the general manager also. But it's what the appellate court said. The appellate court said, even though Roger Goodell said, I'm going to be the arbitrator, he said, where's the hint of fairness in that? Jerry, even though you say you're the general manager at the time, you're still the owner, and you can't direct negotiate directly, so you're gonna have to remove yourself. Jerry's saying he can wear both of them hats.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, Jerry played by his own set of rules.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He does, but they've allowed it.

[Chad Johnson]

Owners in general, when you got that kind of money, when you got that kind of power and backing and wealth, you can play by your own set of rules. Matter of fact, when you had that kind of money, either owner of the team, either GM of the team, you can make those set of rules, and you can keep them in the things you're doing. When you're the most profitable franchise like the Dallas Cowboys are and they've been run a certain way for a very long time, you can make your own rules, which is why you can walk around and talk the way he talks, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That works. If you have one, you can't have three or four of those. It works because Jerry is the only one. All the other owners are in the collective bargain agreement. All the other owners adhere to the policies and regulations of what you can have one when. When back when in the 70s and 80s and 90s it was Al. Al Davis was the maverick. He was the renegade. Jerry Jones sat at the feet of Al Davis and learned all that Al knew. So he's the new. He's the modern day Al Davis. It works as long as you got one, you start getting two, three, four, it's not gonna work. But. But I agree with Matt Shaw, because, see, J. Is what Jerry's trying to do. He's trying to say, but I'm the general manager. But as the appellate court said to Roger Goodell, I understand that you're the arbitrator, but you still. But you. But you still the commissioner of the league, and you won't. You want to be able to hear this argument and decide. But you said, well, I'm the arbiter. No, but I still know that you're the. You're the commissioner of the NFL. So, Jerry, I understand that you say you're the general manager, but you're still the owner of the team. So where's the hint of fairness?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, think about that real quick, Joe. Joe, think about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. What's that? What?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, you playing for the Broncos, Joe, you playing for the Hawks, and the owner comes straight to you knowing you don't know. You know about nobody. You know about that part. But when it comes to contracts, they bring you the contract. Goddamn Contract this big. Yeah, contract this bitch. If I go ahead and read through that, huh? Yeah, man, come on, man, stop playing, man. Honestly, it's. It's somewhat insulting, you know, no disrespect to Michael Parson, someone insulting it. The owner coming, trying to undermine you. Trying to undermine not only Michael Parson, but undermine the agent as well. Because, no, there's certain things, there's certain languages that Mike is not going to know or understand that he's not going to be able to see in something that big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I wonder if people have ever seen the NFL contract. They don't it look like a goddamn pamphlet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I ask you a question, Ocho Joe? Do y' all think Jerry Jones have personal attorneys?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So why would. Why wouldn't he. Why wouldn't he negotiate directly with someone else when he has a deterrent, when he has an attorney, does he do that? Only with. See, Jerry is willing to negotiate only when he's in an advantageous situation. See, when somebody is on the other side that's in an advantageous situation, he sends his lawyers in to do negotiating. Now, he feels that he's in an upper hand. Now, I don't believe there's a lot of People, he feels he has the upper hand. He can slick talk. Now I gotta have these escalator clauses and block. Okay, something, you know, I need all that in there. I can double dip because, hey, if I, if I release you, you go sign with another team. Oh, that offset some of the money. I still. No, no, no, no, no. It don't offset nothing. I'm gonna get every dime that you, that you owe me, and I'm gonna go over here and get some more money. All that needs to be included. Don't yo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that needs to be the, the moral clauses, all that need to be going over with a fine teeth call.

[Chad Johnson]

A fine teeth don't know all that. The players don't know all that. You know the players. Who we want to know. What are my guarantees? I don't care about the length of the contract and how much about the big number. What are my guarantees? What am I getting those first three years? That's my meat potatoes, outside of signing bonus. Yep. That's what matters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, when I put my name on this contract, what kind of check am I looking at? Okay, and then over the day, like Ocho said, over the next three years, how much money am I actually going to get of that big gargantuan number of that $1 billion over the next three years? How much am I getting actually? Okay, let's go play.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen. I mean, obviously, you know, when, when you chat, you see things scroll across the tick at the bottom of the screen, you know, you see five year, 280 million, you know that 200, that 280 million, you know, that is the crust to the pie. That crust to the pie, Joe, that ain't really the number. Them first three years, that's all that matter. I need to know how much that is because they, they not let you get to the back end to reach anywhere near no goddamn 280. I don't care.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Unless your contract like Deshaun's, 230 guaranteed. Okay? Hey, don't you got the same Asian Deshaun got? Yep. Hey, listen, I feel like it's gonna get Joe Ocho, his name is. Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. We can't go into Philly on a Thursday night without Michael, man. Ain't no way.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, Jerry got to get this done, man. He gotta get this. I feel like it's gonna get done, but it's gonna be in the last hour, guys. It ain't gonna get no cheap. Look, he got it. He gonna spend it. You're gonna get no cheaper. Brock Bauer was voted the 24th best player in the NFL. The number one tight end, George Kittle was number 31. Travis Kelsey was number 37. Terry McBride was number 65. Sam Laporta was number 94. Bowers rookie season, he had the most catches. One hundred and twelve. Eleven ninety four receiving yards and five touchdowns. I think the first two are the most for a rookie. Correct. Because only two rookies have ever had over a thousand yards receiving. Mike Dicker had it and Kyle Pitts had it. But I don't think either one of those had 1194. And I know neither one of those had because he broke. I think he broke Puka Nakua's record. And then Neighbors, I think neighbors had 108 catches this year. But the most catches for a rookie. Bowers most receiving yards by Rookie tight end 1194. Ocho Joe. Do you think it's too soon to call Brock Bowers the best tight end in football?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he's so goddamn good. Un. Man. Most of the time there's a, there's a, a waiting process.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A pro. You took the words out of a Bible, Joe. Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

He went from Georgia, came to the league and they miss a beat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He should have came out. They should have let him come out as a freshman. He was that good. That made that man wait two extra years for what?

[Chad Johnson]

Nice. Nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Now he's, he's up next, obviously. Travis Kelsey, George kittle, I mean LaPorta, Hawkinson. But he's, he's, he's different. He's different. He's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is. I gotta go on year. It's hard for me to give it to a player after one year. But if he puts together. I'm not saying he needs 112. I'm not saying he leads. He needs 1200 receiving yards. I'm not saying he needs 13, 14 touchdown. He just needs another year of consistency.

[Chad Johnson]

Of the same thing. But listen, you know his quarterback is right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh you know his quarterback got an arm. You know a quarterback is gonna feed him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You should.

[Chad Johnson]

And please gonna have 100 plus catches. He gonna have another special. He ate a thousand plus yards. Ain't no telling how many TDs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because I don't know if they got. They don't really have the wiring. They don't have the, the one. They don't have the Chase, they don't have the Jetta. They don't have that guy caliber guy outside of him. He is that in the Raiders offense. So he's going to get the most targets, he's going to get the most opportunities. But I looked at the kid as a freshman. I was like, this kid can play in the NFL now. He that good? He was that good. He just bided his time. I mean, hey, I'm sure he enjoyed the college experience, but no, he, he legit. He legit.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. College football season is here and you. You know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Chad Johnson]

Uh huh.

[Jake Hofer]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of of all the chaos and of course celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it. Listen to the solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

The U.S. open is here. And on my podcast Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner? And the pressure. Billie Jean King says pressure is a privilege. You know. Plus the stories and events off the court. And of course the honey deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and include for all tennis fans whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams recent wild card bids? Or the young Canadian Victoria Mboko making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form to hear this and more. Listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side podcast and on this week's episode I'm talking to Olympian World cup champion and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it for me. It's the pursuit of greatness, it's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures, it's the heartache. Listen to the Bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Patriots head coach Mike Brabel was asked about comment on Jalen Popes will require season season injury shoulder surgery. Let's listen to what Vrabel response was.

[Jake Hofer]

There's a report today that Jalen Pope will have to have season ending shoulder surgery.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can you add anything to that? No, I don't know other than I'd.

[Jake Hofer]

Like to find out where some of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These come from, you know, some of these rats around here. So we'll figure that out. You see. Hey now we see everybody who said that? Who said that? They don't just be making this stuff up. I know y' all be trying to name your source. Name your source. Name your source, Jordan. Nah, they don't make that up. So owners, head coaches, general managers, player personnel position coaches, players. That's how Adam Shefter stay in business. That's how Sean's stay in business. The agents, that's how they get that information. Y' all get mad, y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all get mad. Y' all don't get mad at the people for telling them. Y' all get mad at Shefter and Sean for reporting.

[Chad Johnson]

They always say, especially the fans, state your source right? Well who said it? Well, duh. If they state they source, they would never be able to get information anymore, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you're done. So just go ahead and turn your just go ahead and turn your pen and say, hey, hey, espn, I'm done. I'm no longer in business doing that. You heard what he said. So now chat. Ain't nothing wrong with it. Now you heard what he said. He would like to know who the rat is. So somebody told a Reporter. Because the reporter stood up there point blank and asking about season ending shoulders.

[Chad Johnson]

He should know about. The reporter should know about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing. The mere fact they'd be reporting now, I'm not saying that some but like when, when Chef didn't be coming nine times out of ten, Ocho. Oh, they got that from somewhere. They got that close source. Yes. People around the league. No, people in the league. Ain't no round. No league. They ain't around it. They in it. Somebody talking sources in the NFL, the league office. That's just the way it's 22.

[Chad Johnson]

I was reading comments about the stuff we talked about last night with the Shadow. I'm not, not going back. I'm not going back on the Shador thing right now. I'm just saying in general. And some of the comments throughout today are people on my timeline reacting to what we're saying and what Ed said, what Eric Dickinson said. And people like, oh, that's impossible. Why would the NFL care? I mean, but this. I mean, they come up with all these different solutions in. And it goes back to me and people underestimating how powerful the NFL is in general. How they just see it as just a football game and how they don't understand that the shield is one that remind people. Let me say this again slowly. The shield in the NFL is one that will remind people in any way, shape, form or fashion, nothing will be bigger than our program. Nothing will be bigger than our program. People that they're so blind to it and don't understand the power that those individuals as a whole possess. It's ridiculous. Even when I was playing. Huh? Let me. Let me. Hey, Joe. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead. Even when I was playing, I understood the power that be of this year. So I understood. I know I can play a little bit, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but not too much.

[Chad Johnson]

I knew I could play around a little bit, chat. Y' all stay with me. But I understood what lines not to cross, Uncle. I understood the game very early. I understood my time in NFL. It won't be that long. I have a small window of opportunity to have some fun, to make some money. But there's certain lines that cannot cross. But at some point in the long run, I'm gonna have to cross that bridge again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Color in between the lines, Ocho. Color in between the lines.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, Joe, let me tell you something. How well I'm at it playing the game, huh? And Joe, I can say the chat. Stay with me real quick. Some of the things I've got. Some of the things I have going on. Got going on right now. All these goddamn jobs and all these goddamn opportunities. There's certain buttons that are being pushed behind closed doors that you can't. Joe, come on, Joe. There's certain buttons being pushed behind closed doors, man. Come on, man. Don't make me start. No, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. I understand, I understand, man. Listen, with a. I understand about the buttons being pushed behind closed doors. There's people working for you and you don't even know it.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you don't even know it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's why you don't burn no bridges. Yeah. That's what everybody talking about. Do this and do that and I'd have did this and I'd have did that. Okay. It's worth it. You leave like you came. You came with your dignity. You leave all that yelling and screaming. Hey. Well, nobody was harmed in the making of that movie. But at the end of the day, there's been speculation that Pope was going to be cut or trade candidate. With all 32 teams needing a set 53 man roster by 4 Eastern on August 26th. Who would benefit from leaking injury of a player more than the player himself who may not want to be leave or traded? Well, you can't trade the players if he's cut. I mean, if he's injured, you have to offer an injury settlement so he's straight. Wait, so they can't, they, they can't trade him if he. No, you can't cut injured back. You have to offer him an injury. You can't do it in basketball when I ain't know. I ain't know how football work.

[Chad Johnson]

But, but we've seen players get injured. I could have swore I saw, saw stuff where players have gotten injured.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson]

They get cut right away and especially in training camp. I, I could have swore I saw that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they get, they get a settlement.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, at least the reports could say a 7 was, was the receiver that play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I have a question. Is there a certain amount, a set amount for, for injury settlement?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I guess however long it's gonna. I mean that's something you the agent would be. We work out probably the length of time if it's gone for the season, you're like, no, I want my money.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Maybe What, a million? Two million?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It all depends. I think he's like a second year player, right? He's a second year player. So, I mean it was his 800,000. A million dollars.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now they're like, okay, they probably. They probably eat that Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? Okay. Okay, okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is when you get into the situation like a Christian Wilkins. You getting guys making 13, 15, 20. Now it becomes a problem.

[Chad Johnson]

I have a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or Joe and basketball, Joe, they do what they call a buyout. Okay, I'll give you 85. I'll give you 90% of your money. They don't, they don't do that in football. Hell no. Hold on. They cut you. They say you're about your way. Don't know. Yeah, they. They get you up out here. Unless you got like, like Russ. The Broncos cut Russ. They say, okay, they gave Russ all his money. I'm saying, but the Steelers only. Yeah, because. But no, not a lot of people have like that. That big guaranteed money. Yeah, if you got guaranteed money, you don't care. Russ had 38. What? 30 something. 35, 36 million coming from the Broncos. So it wasn't nothing to go to take the 2 million from the Steelers. I got 40 million. I don't care where how you highs divide out. I got it coming. But a lot of guys ain't got that guaranteed money, so. That's because, you know, football, a gladiator sport, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, every play could be damn near career ending play.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that's. Hey, Joe. That's why you got to be built like this out there, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I see you've been in the gym.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Sarah Spain]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Sarah Spain]

The US Open is here and on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain. I'm breaking down the players, the predictions, the pressure, and of course, the the honey deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be a very wonderfully experiential sporting event. To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. This is an iHeart podcast.