Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Johnny Manziel react to Oklahoma win, Texas beating Vandy!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 – Oklahoma Win, Texas Beats Vandy!

Date: November 2, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-Hosts: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco), Johnny Manziel, Colin Cowherd
Featured Guest: D’Angelo Ponds (Indiana Hoosiers DB)

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Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 1 dives deep into an action-packed weekend of college football, headlined by Oklahoma's takedown of Tennessee and Texas' statement win over Vanderbilt. Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Johnny Manziel, and Colin Cowherd break down pivotal games, controversial moments, and the ever-changing Heisman Trophy race. Notably, the crew hosts Indiana standout D’Angelo Ponds to discuss Indiana’s defensive dominance. The group also reacts live to World Series developments, drawing sports parallels and keeping the discussion lively, insightful, and at times hilarious.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Oklahoma Sooners’ Win Over Tennessee Volunteers

• Game Recap
  • Oklahoma defeats Tennessee 33–27 in Knoxville, exploiting Volunteer errors.
  • Quarterback John Matier: 19/29, 159 yards, 1 INT; 16 carries, 80 yards, 1 TD.
  • Xavier Robinson: 16 carries, 115 yards, 1 TD.
  • Tennessee’s QB Aguilar passed for 393 yards and 3 TDs but threw 2 crucial interceptions and had a costly fumble returned for a TD.
• Critical Moments & Mistakes
  • Tennessee “couldn’t get out of their own way,” highlighted by a right tackle’s blunders and a fullback not turning for a pass.
  • “If you leave a team around long enough, bad things are going to happen.” – Shannon Sharpe (08:19)
• Analysis
  • Both Sharpe and Ochocinco criticized Tennessee’s missed opportunities and excessive turnovers.
  • Oklahoma, despite being outgained, capitalized on Tennessee’s errors.
  • “OU has a really good defense. Matier is playing like he did first couple games.” – Chad Johnson (11:10)
• Memorable Quote
  • “He damn near about to high-five Josh Heupel!” – Ochocinco, on the out-of-bounds fullback (07:48)
• Timestamps
  • [07:46] – “What do you want? … The ball hit you in the damn face…” (Ochocinco)
  • [08:25] – “Actually, this was a really good game. I enjoyed it…” (Shannon Sharpe)

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Georgia Bulldogs’ Gritty Win vs. Florida

• Game Recap
  • Georgia edges Florida in a close rivalry game, coming from behind in the fourth quarter.
  • Gunner Stockton leads Georgia with pivotal throws (20/29, 232 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT).
  • Georgia excels on third down; Florida falls short on a key fourth down.
• Discussion
  • Sharpe notes Florida's inconsistency: “They're not that far away if they can find some continuity…”
  • Ochocinco credits Coach Kirby Smart’s preparedness and draws Nick Saban comparisons.
  • “No moral victories, but the way they fought today, I mean it was cool.” – Shannon Sharpe (21:39)
• Timestamps
  • [19:34] – Ochocinco’s Georgia-Florida analysis
  • [21:04] – Florida’s quarterback play breakdown

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SMU Upsets Miami – Hurricanes' ACC, Playoff Hopes Dwindle

• Game Recap
  • Miami loses to SMU in OT after a costly penalty aids SMU; Miami drops to 6–2.
  • “Over the last three, four years, Miami has always had games like this. They always lose a game they should win.” – Chad Johnson (29:24)
  • “Jennings threw for 365 today…” – Shannon, on SMU’s quarterback (30:11)
• Bigger Picture:
  • The crew discusses how NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) money has changed the stakes and scrutiny of college football players and coaches.
  • “You're supposed to be the one to take us to the promised land. Making that kind of money… it's different.” – Shannon Sharpe (32:23)
• Timestamps
  • [29:24] – Miami’s annual letdown
  • [32:23] – The new NIL expectations

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Indiana’s Rise: Spotlight on D’Angelo Ponds

Guest Segment [39:15–49:46]

• Ponds’ Background
  • Florida high school sprint champion; transferred from James Madison to Indiana.
  • “If you win the state track meet in the 100 and the 200 in Florida… you can run.” – Ochocinco (39:47)
• On Indiana’s Defensive Dominance
  • Indiana boasts the third-best defense nationally, allowing just 10.9 points per game.
  • “We don’t like catches, we don’t like yards, we don’t like none of that.” – D’Angelo Ponds (48:47)
• On Team Culture & Recruitment
  • Indiana's roster built with Southern talent; success fuels recruiting power.
  • Coaches demand perfection—even after blowouts: “Never accept anything in the win you wouldn’t in a loss.” – Ochocinco (47:54)
• Maintaining Focus
  • “Just go 1–0 each week. Not looking ahead... that’s the goal for us.” – Ponds, on staying locked in approaching Big Ten title/playoff run (51:28)
• Memorable Exchanges
  • Shannon jokes about high school track times; group reminisces about origins and staying “in your lane.”
  • “If we can win a Big Ten championship, never have to pay for anything in Bloomington again.” – Ochocinco (44:45)
• Timestamps
  • [40:02] – Track speed and recruiting
  • [44:45] – Legacy and changing Hoosier perceptions
  • [48:47] – Defensive mindset

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World Series Live Reactions & Analogies

• Side Commentary Throughout
  • Dodgers win the World Series in extra innings; Yamamoto singled out as MVP-caliber.
  • Sharpe and Ochocinco joke about betting “a Nissan Altima” on Dodgers.
  • Discussion of big payrolls and why spending works for the Dodgers, but not the Yankees.
  • “If you pay that… it takes money to make money.” – Ochocinco (55:42)
• Timestamps
  • [52:34] – Dodgers’ World Series win reactions
  • [54:26] – Discussion on back-to-back National League championships

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Heisman Trophy Race Analysis

Roundtable Breakdown

• Current Leaders:
  • Julian Sayin (Ohio State), Ty Simpson (Alabama), Fernando Mendoza (Indiana), Marcel Reed (Texas A&M) are cited as frontrunners.
  • Sayin emerges as the favorite with a clinical game: 20/23, 316 yards, 4 TDs against Penn State.
• Debate About “Heisman Moments”
  • “There is still that time to capture a moment… a play or a series that sets you apart from the rest.” – Johnny Manziel (57:47)
  • Sharpe laments no “Cam Newtons, Burrows, or Johnny Manziels” this year: “But ain’t no goddamn Johnny Manziels… from week one all the way through, they cuttin’ the fuck.” (63:13)
  • Ochocinco and Johnny recount past races, the pressure to have a signature defining moment.
• Timestamps
  • [57:00] – Current Heisman leaderboard and Sayin’s rise
  • [63:13] – The lack of a dominant Heisman story in 2025
  • [66:18] – Johnny Manziel reminisces on his own Heisman moment and the strange politics of the race

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Texas’ Dominant Win Over Vanderbilt & Arch Manning’s Breakout

• Game Recap
  • Texas holds off Vanderbilt 38–30 after building a massive lead and weathering a late Vandy rally.
  • Arch Manning: 25/33, 328 yards, 3 TDs, no INTs, first in Texas history with 300+ yards, 3 TDs, 75%+ comp. vs top-10 opponent.
  • “One of the best outside blocking games I’ve seen in a long, long time. Hat on a hat.” – Johnny Manziel (59:08)
• Critique & Praise
  • The crew lauds Sarkisian’s offensive game plan and O-line play, but notes Texas’ ongoing run-game struggles.
  • “If they can just rush for 100–125 yards, we'll be okay… They can't run the ball nowhere, not even in Pop Warner.” – Johnny Manziel (76:05)
  • Ochocinco points out Texas’ defense “forgot how to play football” in the fourth quarter, allowing avoidable big plays.
  • “Once you become one-dimensional, it’s a wrap.” – Shannon Sharpe (77:28)
• Timestamps
  • [60:48] – Texas’ O-line and blocking praise
  • [76:05] – Texas’ run-game woes and implications

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Texas A&M’s Position & SEC Championship Implications

• Discussion
  • Aggies are ranked #1 in ESPN strength-of-schedule, with big wins.
  • Johnny Manziel: “For our guys at A&M, this is the chance to… do something that hasn't been done… in a long time. Marcel, you want that Heisman? Go and take it.” (78:58)
  • Sharpe and Ochocinco note the showdown with Texas could determine playoff seeding and Big 12 bragging rights.
• Timestamps
  • [77:54] – Strength of schedule and the upcoming Texas-A&M game

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you leave a team around long enough, bad things are going to happen.” – Shannon Sharpe [08:19]
• “He damn near about to high-five Josh Heupel!” – Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) [07:48]
• “You’re judged differently now… You have to be the reason we win, not the reason for us losing.” – Shannon Sharpe [32:23]
• “We don’t like catches, we don’t like yards, we don’t like none of that.” – D’Angelo Ponds [48:47]
• “Once you become one dimensional, it’s a wrap.” – Shannon Sharpe [77:28]
• “But ain’t no goddamn Johnny Manziels, Cam Newtons, or Joe Burrows… from week one all the way through, they cuttin’ the fuck.” – Shannon Sharpe [63:13]

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Tone: Conversational, candid, at times irreverent and always authentic—reflects the genuine camaraderie and mutual respect between long-time athletes and football minds.
• Humor: The panel’s banter, from Sharpe’s track “times” to betting metaphors, injects levity.
• Expertise: Deep dives on game details, tactical breakdowns, and cultural commentary on NIL/transfer portal impact.
• Guest Feature: D’Angelo Ponds’ segment offers insights into Indiana’s turnaround and the mentality of elite defenders.

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Suggested Listening Timestamps by Subject

• Oklahoma-Tennessee Breakdown: [07:46]–[14:42]
• Georgia-Florida Recap: [19:34]–[24:34]
• SMU-Miami & NIL Era: [29:24]–[35:45]
• D’Angelo Ponds/Indiana Defense: [39:15]–[51:43]
• Heisman Race/Manziel Memory Lane: [57:00]–[67:59]
• Texas-Vandy & Arch Manning: [59:08]–[76:04]
• A&M, SEC Race, Texas Battle Looms: [77:54]–[80:26]
• Baseball & World Series Parallels: [52:34]–[56:59]

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Summary:
This episode celebrates the rollercoaster of college football—upsets, comebacks, and the shifting landscape under NIL. Sharpe and company balance sharp critique with genuine admiration (and plenty of laughs), offering fans a ringside seat not just to Saturday's games, but to the culture and evolving stakes of the sport itself. Whether you missed the games or want to hear pros break down the how and why, this Nightcap delivers.

Transcript

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[Johnny]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of what?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He damn me out of bounds. He damn. Notice he owned his. He damn near about the high five. Josh Hypo. I'm like, bro, get your head around, bro. And the ball hit him in his face. I'm like, lord have mercy. This explains why I cannot be a coach. Ocho watching this game, man. Look, Tennessee had this game in control because at one point in time, I think ou had like less than 100 yards, but they were like, right there in the ball game because of the mistakes that Tennessee was making, leaving them in the ball game. And what happened? You leave a team around long enough, bad things are going to happen. And that's exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Actually, this was a really good game. I enjoyed it. The first second quarter at the half, it was very close. It was going. It was going back and forth and. And I thought it was going to come down to the. Whoever had the ball last, and obviously Tennessee, who had the better number statistically. If. If you don't look at the end of the score and you look at the stats, you would think that the Tennessee Volunteers won this game because of what they were able to do offensively. But listen, the interception killed them. The. The right tackle. I'm not sure what he did when he allowed that end to come over. When. When. When he. He put the. He. He put the ball at the belly. He faked it and he came up. Dude hit him. I mean, listen, I don't. I don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

First of all, I don't know why he stepped down, Ocho. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was no threat. There was no threat to even have to step down the damn. The damn Inn is playing damn near at the nine all the way out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He on the wide nine. He absolutely is. And there's nobody. There's nobody there to block him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only do that, do they fumble, they pick the goddamn ball up and take that all the way back, and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They couldn't get him on the ground. I'm like, damn all you just tackle it. You've already made a mistake. You've made a mistake. Don't exacerbate it. Just get him on the ground.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Titan was trying to get him on the ground. He. He could, he couldn't get him down. But outside of that, it was good. It was a good game. I was looking, I was looking for Matier to, to do a little bit more through the air. I was looking for him to do a little bit more through the air. It didn't happen, but he didn't have to do much offensively. They had two. They had two turnovers as well. Obviously the balls had three. Let me see, penalties. Oklahoma had 11 for. 11 for 104. So I'm thinking when you look at it, they were actually supposed to lose a game. And if. I think if Tennessee could have minimized their turnovers, they would have had a better chance at making it either. Either a close game or actually winning this one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, you look at ou. Ocho 19, first down to 28, first down for Tennessee. Oh, you was 4 of 10 on third down. Tennessee was better than 50. They were 7 of 13, 456 yards. So they out gained about 100 yards of total offense. But it was that one really costly turnover that led directly to points. And they missed. Remember, they missed a field goal also. Tennessee missed a field goal. So you, you can't. Look, OU has a really good defense. Material is playing, starting to play a little better. He's starting to play like he did the first couple of games of the season before he got that injury. When he came back, he had kind of gotten out of rhythm. But if you look at him now, he's starting to play a little better. But when you turn the ball over and just evenly match teams, it's hard for you to overcome mistakes. It's really hard because you look at it, one is 14, the other is 18. And it's not like, oh, you is a bad team. They're ranked right where they're supposed to be.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They've got a very, very good team. But I just think, I just think the 10, the turnovers tonight, the, the miscues. Okay, fourth down, bro. You stay on the field. You. You stay on that and you need that. Those are, those are plays that you, you gotta have in a situation like that. You had to lead you within control of the ball game. Now you've given up control of the ball game through poor play and turnovers. Now you get an opportunity to see some of that momentum back and, and you squander that opportunity. You give ou credit going on the road in a hostile environment and finding a way, Scratching and clawing and finding a way to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. And you know, you know, it's funny.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But yeah, I thought Aguilar made some good plays. I mean, what, what irks me. And not just with college football, but even NFL. You, why you running backwards, bro? You in field goal range and you gonna take yourself out of field goal range trying to make a play. You're not Lamar Jackson. Every, everybody want to be, Everybody want to have one of these heroic plays where they get out of harm's way and they throw it or they break, they shake five people and, and make somebody miss and they spin and they go, bro, you're doing too much. You're doing too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a dream come true, huh? You know, to be able to do something like that, to make something happen for your team. Shoot, you gonna.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Dodges had the bases loaded with one out and Toronto got out of it.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Headed to the top. Headed to the bottom of the tent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, bottom of the tent.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yup. The Sooners did what the Sooners do. They ran for the hundred. Man, if I'm not running back, I'm mad. I go down at the one yard line thinking we gonna take a knee and then the next play you let the quarterback run it to. Hell if I didn't do that. I ran it in these bad, hey, take my time. Cause it look a lot better. Ocho, if I got a hold on that was like a 50 something yard run because he went right up straight. Oh, four. So a 43 yard run or a 44 yard touchdown, I think I'd take the 44 yard touchdown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hell, if I, if I, if I knew that, if I do, because I thought we was gonna, you know, let the time run.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do that anyway. Somebody had to give them that from the sideline and, and you go down there and take away a touchdown and then they, they run it right in the next play.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Shoot, I, listen, I, I, I, that's my point. Yeah, I, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I'm not, I'm not taking, no, I'm not taking no knee. I'm going, oh, we up and plus we up 3. That puts us up 10. Look, if we can't hold a, if we can't hold a lead with a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Minute left, that, that's on us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's on us. But it was, it was, it was A very, it was a very good, it was a very good game. Very good game. 10, 7. And then. Oh, you, oh, oh, oh. You had to lead at the half. 16. You had a 16 because it's kicked three field goals in the second. So they had a 16, 10 lead at the half. As poorly as they played, less than 100 yards of total offense. Tennessee is well over 250 of total offense. But the miscues and you know, I'm sure Coach Hyple is in the locker rooms like, hey guys, we let one slip away. You know, we've got to be better. We got to take better care of the football and when we get opportunities. Aguilar threw one right to the middle, right heart of the defense. Probably would have saved what, 10, 15 seconds and the wide receiver dropped it right over the top, you know, late in the ball game when they was, they ended up, I think, no, they ended up kicking a field goal. They ended up kicking a field goal. But hey, it happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Before we go into the next game, you want to know what an NFL throw is? For those that watch that Tennessee, Oklahoma game, when Aguilar threw that, I think it was the skinny or it was a, maybe a deep slant and he, he, he kept his ass to the left and the safety missing and it came right off the safety ear in the back of the end zone.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, like towards the end of the game. Now that was the NFL, though. That was, that was nice. He threw that thing on the rope.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He. Oh, he made some big time play. He made some big time plays. But they just got to do a better job of taking care of the football, mainly him. The number five Georgia Bulldogs. It used to be called the world largest cocktail party. I don't know what they call it now. Maybe they call it the world's largest office party. But they survive. Come back in the fourth quarter like they've done so many times this year.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Johnny]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

24:20 Remember last week they let Billy and Napier go. They have an interim head coach in Georgia. It took all Georgia could do to come back and win the ball game. They have to score seven in the fourth quarter late in the ball games to get a win and they do that. Gunner Stockton made some big time throws, but it was the running back that Georgia was 7 of 15 on third down. Florida was 2 of 11. Georgia had 361 total yards. Florida had 281. Time of possession wasn't 3225 to 2735, but that fourth down really hurt Florida. I mean they weren't even close to getting it. That wasn't even close. Did you get, I'm talking about did you get. Did y' all know the snap count? Because it damn sure looked like Georgia knew the snap count and y' all didn't get no surge. That wasn't even close. I don't even know why they even brought the measure brought y', all, why y' all brought the tape out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't making.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, it wasn't even close to getting that. Wasn't even close to getting that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But nowhere to say watching this game as as up and down as Florida has been, as inconsistent as they've been depending on who they're playing, the fact that they played Georgia today and played Georgia so well, you know, played a ranked team as well as they did, I just don't understand what the problem may be with Florida. I think they're not that far away if they can find some, some continuity and consistency in each game no matter what. Not playing down competition. Obviously it starts with a quarterback play. The quarterback play has to be a little bit more consistent. I mean Lego. I mean Legwe wasn't that bad today. It was 15 for 24.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

N he 15 to 24, 166 TD.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But to play like they played today against Georgia, it. It come like well damn, y' all really shouldn't have any losses and it until it comes to the big boys. Now sometime you expect Florida to lose to you know, a game, a game like this against, you know, one of the, one of the better teams that, that are ranked very high. I think Georgia is number four if I'm not mistaken. But I mean by listen you there no moral victories. But to me with my coach, the coaches got fired, right? Yeah. Just getting fired. To me this is. There are no moral goddamn victories. But the way they fought today, I mean it was cool. Even though they did lose.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're going to Gunner Stockton played another good game today. 20 of 29, 232, 23, two touchdowns. He did have that one reception. Bowens was the one that had a 36 yard touchdown. That really put, you know, that put him in front and then Georgia's defense did the rest. Branch is 10 catches for 112 yards. I'm looking at this game Ocho and I agree with you. I'm like Florida, where was this all year? Granted now this is a rivalry game. Georgia, Florida, the Georgia Florida line. You know, this played in Jacksonville is not played on campus. I think this rivalry is almost 100 years old. And so I'm not surprised that Florida got up play. This is the longest, this is the what a five game win streak for the Bulldogs? I think the longest in a very, very long time. I think the record is like six. But Georgia, Georgia has a good team. You know Kirby, Kirby is a very, very, very, very, very good coach. He gets very good players. He coaches them up. You know, being under coach Saban, I see a lot of coach Saban in him, in his mannerisms and having his team, the team is prepared. That's one thing you're gonna say about a Kirby smart team. The one thing you could always say about a Nick Saban team. They're gonna be prepared. And that's all you can really. That's, that's, that's all you can really ask for is, is that is have the team prepared knowing that you got horses to run the race. Hey, I can win. I can win any war. Just give me the weapon. Give me some weapons to go fight, and I can win any war. And Georgia got those dogs that can run and can fight. And so it was a, it was a, it was a big win because, Joe, we saw Georgia come back. Who they come back is, they came back against Ole Miss a couple of weeks ago. They can't, they, they've done this like three or four times this year, either losing at the half or losing going to the fourth quarter. Auburn was another one. They found a way to come back and win. Yeah, Auburn, Ole Miss, they did it today with Florida. And so you know, you can't count these guys out. You, if you get them down, like killing that with a sledgehammer, you get them down, you, you better, you better make sure they stay down because if they get up off the mat, they coming, they're coming. But Georgia, look, they, they still right there. They know they gotta hope Alabama lose a game because Alabama's beating them. I don't know how this thing's gonna play out right now, Alabama and Texas A and M, but I guess they, they don't divide it up in the east and west anymore. They just take the two best, the one lost record. So theoretically it could be Texas A and M playing Alabama, even though they're on the same side. So it used to be east, west, west, but they've done away with the divisions this year. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what, what goes on, what happens.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yo Cane.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

620 overtime loss to SMU, a defeat that significantly damages Miami ACC championship and College Football Playoff hope as the Hurricanes dropped their second AC ACC game in three weeks and fell to 6 and 212 penalties for 96 yards, including an unsportsmanlike conduct call against defensive defensive end Marquise Marquis Lightfoot on the final driving regulation when he hit quarterback Kevin Jennings after the whistle had blown for my for a Miami timeout. That penalty helped Miami get in the field goal range and they kicked a 38 yard field goal to send the game in overtime. Carson Beck threw an interception on the goal line in his first possession and then SMU took the ball in from one yard out and they won. Miami playoff chances dropped to nine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

According to ESPN's playoff predictor Ocho, over the last three, four years, Miami has always had games like this. They always lose a game that they should, should win and they're favored. We've seen this from coach Crystal ball team and I don't know why, I don't, I don't know why. We saw this the other night. Who did they play? And he threw those. And Beck threw those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That was, I think Virginia. Was it Virginia? Louisville. Yeah, it was Louisville. That's what they played. Louisville. And I, I just, I just don't get how every year this time, oh, this is Miami year. This is Miami year. This is Miami year. And every year somebody that's not even ranked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what's funny? Also for those of you in the chat that are watching right now that haven't watched SMU play, hey, them boys can play some ball. Them boys down at smu, despite not being ranked, they can play some ball. They're very good. Goddamn. Goddamn. Jennings through for 365 today. TJ Harden had what what? Only, only 9 for 20, 9 for 27. My little nephew, my little nephew played for SMU, went to Miami, Northwestern, Romello Brinson, he used to be down there at University of Miami. You know, he transferred. He's having a, having a really good season for SMU as well. But I'm not, I'm not sure what it is with, with Carson Beck when it comes to games where you should, you should dominate as a quarterback playing against what most would consider an inferior opponent. You got to come to the party, you got to show up. And I just talked to you about it the other day when we talk about the Heisman Trophy candidates and how no quarterback is stepping up to the plate where it seemed like everybody's in one pot. Some, some week. One week they play good, one week they play bad. Everything just happens to be up and down and inconsistent all the way across the collegiate, collegiate football when it comes to quarterback play. And I mean this is the game Miami should have won. This is a game they should have won.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They should have. I like the kid from Ohio State. He's playing his ass off. You know he is a transfer out of Alabama. Sailing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Saying. I think that's his name. Saying the kid, that takes saying him. He's playing Marcel Reed. He's playing. Well, Simpson, Ty Simpson for Alabama. You know, Mendoza is going to be there because his team is eight. No. They're averaging damn near 50 points a game. But I, I agree with you. Carson Beck, 26 and 38, 274. Two touchdowns, two interceptions. I mean just he, he'll play great for a stretch. And you're like, oh man. Okay, I see, I see why Georgia won. I see why he was a four or five star going to University of Georgia. And then you like, bro, what are you doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only that. Now we're not basing off. We're not basing off just your stats now. Now we paying you 4,5 million dollars in nil money now we expect you to be goddamn many Patrick Mahomes out there if you making that kind of. You make, you making that kind of cheddar.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I expect that at the collegiate level. Absolutely. You're absolutely right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Judging you're different. Now we expect you to get us over the hump. We not you are supposed to be the one to take us to the promised land. Making that kind of money, it's. It's different. It's different. And you got to come to. You have to be the reason we win, not the reason for us losing. That's Two weeks in a row. Now last week you threw four. Today you threw one. No, was the one or two?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Two.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now, two. And then costly in the goddamn red zone. You got to be the difference maker, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And Ocho, we talk about college football. You used to be, man, that's just a kid. They don't get played like professionals. If you notice the tenor and the tone have changed because now you do get paid like professionals. And we expect a, a certain level. Presidents and universities, they treat them different. Bro, we got, we got, we paying you 50 million, we're paying this guy. We got another 10, 15, 20 million tied up in this roster. Oh, no, it ain't no more. All these are kids. Oh, you know, we go take some time. No, it ain't going to take no time. You got to get this done. We've given you everything that you needed. That's just, that's just the way it is. Because I remember we used to talk about it and I really hated talking college football because, you know, coming from an NFL background, we critique differently than that's a grown man making a salary versus a 18, 19, 20 year old kid. Kid that's not getting paid. But no more, no more. We see guys like Jeremiah Smith and when he drop a pass like, come on bro, you can't have that. Or we see a guy like Ryan, Ryan Williams at Alabama dropping passes and they were like, man, oo you and hard on him, bro. The man getting two, two, two and a half million dollars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, things are different. You're judged differently based on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But he only 18. Well, he getting money like he 28.

[Johnny]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Would I tell you what, when he go cash, when he go, when that money hit direct deposit ain't got no age on it, it going straight into it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We have a different level of expectation now with our college athletes after they've started getting paid, especially the ones that getting paid. Now we don't judge all of them like this, but the coaches, we hold even higher because of the money that they're getting paid because they're upgrading the amenities, because they're doing everything. You know, you got a red light sauna and you got cryo and you got, you got these dip tanks and you got the best. Best of offense, defensive coordinator, D line coach, linebacker coach, DB coach. You got the best of the best for a staff, you get the best. I mean, you got these guys. I mean, whatever you need, protein shakes. I mean, as soon as you come out the field, they got protein shakes. You get this Much protein, this much carbohydrate, this much fat, bro. So now, Ocho, it's. We, we, we. We're looking at collegiate players differently. We're looking at collegiate teams differently because guys are getting paid and there's so much money involved. So much. I mean, the payout, what was it? The payout probably gonna be 70, 80, $90 million per SEC team, per Big Ten team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, go to the college football playoffs. And Ocho, this, this is paying your athletic budget for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell you something. Now, you, you know what the payout is. You know, 70, 80 million. You.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

5, 4.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You understand what the budget is now? The fact that you don't want to put your hand in, in, in, in, in the pot, you know, and, and see what we can do, you know, as, as, as a coaching staff. Be like a president and, and vp.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know why I'm good at things? Because I know what I'm good at and I know what I'm not. I try to stay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You try to stay in your lane.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I stay away from where. Okay, So I didn't, I didn't try a whole, I didn't try a whole lot of things because I, I, I don't do good with a learning curve. Oh, you do a good man. Get out of here. I suck. You look, you do it good. No, hell, I don't. No, I, I know what I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to take that back now. Now, you said you like to stay within your comfort zone. I'm gonna take it as that you want to do things that you know you're going to succeed at and be good at. But anything you put that I like.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Doing, because what you like doing, I'm passionate about. You can tell what I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You love football.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't love coaching football. Dodgers win this game. Yamamoto is going to be the World Series mvp. He's going to do a Kirk, Shillings and Randy Johnson. If they win this game, he's gonna be the mvp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, wait.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Two complete games, and would it be three wins? Because he'll have three wins. It won't be a save because he didn't come in in the save opportunity. He would have won the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute. They was. It's 5 4.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's 54 at the bottom of the 10th.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who's up now?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The Dodgers. The. The Blue Jays. What's. How many outs? Oh, hadn't started. Oh, no. What I'm, I'm. The thing is that I learned at a very young age, if you're like Passionate about something you're gonna pour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, absolutely. And it doesn't feel like work.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And it doesn't feel like work. This is why I was passionate about playing football. I was passionate about training. I was passionate about, you know, getting up and going and going and doing my schoolwork. I was passionate about that. I'm passionate about this creating content. I'm passionate about doing Club Shay Shay because I'm anxious to know about what, how this person came to be to sit on my couch. You just didn't magically appeal, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Couch.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What were you as a kid? What were you as an adolescent? What were you as a young man, young woman? How did you get here? I'm interested in knowing that. I'm interested to see how similar or how different our backgrounds were. Everybody didn't have the horror story where they had to work, had to walk five miles of school and they come from broken homes. Some came from great two parent households. But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm eager to learn and to find out and to hear their story. So I'm passionate about that. I ain't passionate about no coaching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you, I got you I.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Got you I, I ain't gon lie I, I, I, I, I, I, I a go I, I, I okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I just thought, oh, you know, you know, there was a huge incentive there. There's a huge incentive that I continue to see all the time. And we talk about and the pot seemed to get bigger and bigger for those that are at the collegiate level. And I understand what you could do and being able to pass down some of that knowledge that you, that you, you, you attained and achieved over the years and passing it back down to the youth, you know, you could be like another Nick Saban. You could be like a prime. You could be like a. Who else? Who else? A Kirby. What's up?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What? All right, we got who's just huge Hoosiers cornerback D' Angelo Ponds, shamanized McDonald Prep and Hollywood track stars.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He won the hundred and the 200 meter dashes in the state of Florida his senior, his senior year transferred from James Madison to Indiana. Bro. If you win the state track meet if you win the state track meet in the Honda and the 200 in Florida, Georgia, Texas and California, you can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Run one thing about.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hey. We can't do nothing about now. We got to give you your flowers. Bro. Bro. So hold on. What was, what was your time in 100? What was your time?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

100. I was a 104 and 100, 200. I was a 211 or something like that. So.

[Johnny]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, that's. Hey, that's good times, man. That's some good time. Now, you know, I had a chance to be Olympian, and when I. When I was at. You know, I'm not. You know, I'm at the city now, right?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I went to Beach High. You know what, you ran in 100 in high school. I was like a 9. 9, 9, 9 in high school at beach. No, I'm just saying. Listen, I'm a 99 in the beach and in. In a 200. I was like. I was like a. Like a. A 10 what? 10 one. No, no, I was 19. 19 something. 19 five.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

This, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, for real. Hey, I was flying. That. I was flying. I come. I come from. I come from a time, man. We used to race in the street, you know, light pole to light pole, stop sign and stop sign, car to car, no shoes.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

That's a crib thing. That's a crib thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I want to know. I'm gonna let you go. I. I have. I have to. I have to ask. What is it about this Indiana team that got y' all boys playing like this? Like y'.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all beating up on everybody team. That a game that people are counting y' all out as a team. Y' all coming there and making. Making the opponents that are supposed to beat y' all look damn near inferior.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Yeah, I feel like the outside in, they ain't expecting us to be that as good as we are. But in house, we expect to beat them teams like autumn top teams. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm looking at you guys. You beat Kennesaw State 56. 9. And you win 73. 0. And you win 63. 10. And you win 56. 6 and you win 55. 10. And after last season, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't gonna hold you, d'. Angelo. It's like, man, I like this an anomaly. This is the a they one and done. You followed it up basically with another season that's is as good, if not better. You're saying, look, we're not one and done. We're here to stay. We're just not a cute story that. Oh, Indiana. You remember the year in 2024 when Indiana did that was so cute and cuddly. Nah, you guys. Coach Signetti got you guys balling.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Nah, definitely angle. Last year. Last year it was like we was making history. Every game like they Ain't never had nine. Nine games, one in a row. But we're doing it again this year, showing everybody we could do it again. It wasn't luck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As a matter of fact, you know what I think about? Obviously, there's. There's a. There's a deeper root to why you guys are having this kind of success most of the time, you know, you look at the Nick Saban, the Knick Saban years, you look at Kirby Smart and. And some of those coaches that have always had those great teams, where are most of the kids from that on Indiana's team?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

They from the South. They from the South. Somewhere down South.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See? You see what I mean?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

You.

[Johnny]

You see that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm trying to figure out, bro. And you say that from the south, man, it get cold in Indiana. You don't know. I want, you know, I want to stand out there as nice as sunshine, man. It'd be cold. Y' all be outside practicing in the cold. You know, Penn stated get cold. Ohio State to get cold. They get cold an hour. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is. Hey, I ain't really signed up for this. So how did you get your body acclimated to it, bro? You from Florida? South Florida.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

I ain't gonna lie. When I. When I first got to college, I had to adjust. It took some adjusting to do, but it's little trick I figured out like some Vaseline and stuff like that. That give you. I. I just got used to it just by going. Going out there and playing Vaseline. No angle. I don't feel nothing when I put Vaseline on, so I think that's one of the tricks I learned you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I. I have one more question too. Especially both as being from Florida, being from being from the crib. What is it about Indiana? How did they get some of the players that are coming from down south to actually go to Indiana? When you have. When we have so many other options to choose from when it comes to going to playing college football.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

I just feel like we come to them with a good opportunity. Like, just tell them what they have in front of them. See, we winning, so I think we got the upper hand with recruiting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, okay, everybody want to win, so.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

It'S not that hard to tell them, like, yeah, we finna win, so you just come join, like, you gonna play, so it ain't really hard to do, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you know what, d', Angelo, it's funny that it's great that you say that, because if you guys continue this 10, 15 years from now, you'll be a part of the class that started this. You'll always have a place when you go back. Oh, yeah, I remember him, man. He was part of that Coach Signetti class that came in here and kicked that thing off. They went to the college football playoffs. They went back, possibly won the college football playoffs, bruh. Y' all be. Y' all will be, like, mythical.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

It's true. I never thought about that, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And once. Once that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because. Yeah, Ocho. I mean, Savannah. When I went to Savannah State, we hadn't really never had a winning season. Everybody still to this day talks about that class of 86. Everybody. That. That was my freshman class. Everybody talks about that class. I seen you. We was 8 and 1 the previous year. We were 70. So we won, like, 15 to 2 in two years, we won, like, 15 games. Nobody had ever. No team had ever done that. So this is what you know. You guys have a Big Ten. Can you imagine A Big Ten championship for Indiana. A college football playoff national check, bro, you a legend. You will never, ever have to pay for anything in Bloomington, Indiana, ever, ever again in your life.

[Johnny]

Facts.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You might have to think about moving back yesterday, right here. I ain't got to pay no rent. I ain't got to pay no mortgage. I get a car.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know. You know, so funny the way. The way y' all beating teams. Like, do y' all even watch film, brother? You see what y' all did to Maryland, man? Do. I mean, do coaches just give you all the day off? Like, what is there to watch at that point when you. When you die? I'm talking about completely dominate teams and every. Oh, hell, no. Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Don't worry. Don't worry.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

That question. Nah. Yeah, we watch them. We. We ain't taking nobody lightly either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

We.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's what you should do.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

I don't know if you watch the game or not, but we was into, like, four minutes left. The starters were still in. We was up. Yeah, we was up still. So we ain't taking nobody lightly. Everybody get the same treatment. Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. I mean, I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So. So what do you guys do on a Sunday? Do you come in, Do y' all get treatment, watch film? Or do we give you Sunday off and then you guys get ready to hit it again on Monday? What's your schedule?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

So on a Sunday, we'll go in for health check. No film or nothing like that. We'll do some little hamstring work and health tech really? That's it. It's just treatment and then you get to go home. You off on Sunday. Okay. And then Monday we'll come in and watch film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no. Oh, you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, no practice on Monday. But y' all hit it Tuesday, Wednesday.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

It'S a walk through, though, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn, we. About that thudding up on Monday. I need to go back to school now. I should. I should have been born back in. In 2000. Yeah, 2003, 2004.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, dude, I was talking about when I was talking about watching film. I'm not. I'm not talking about before a game. I'm saying when you dominate a game, like you. Like you played Maryland most of the time, let's say the Bangles. We played the Steelers. Obviously, you play Sunday, but sometimes Sunday, I mean, Monday, you know, you come in, you. You do your treatment, do whatever. You go upstairs and you watch. You watch the previous game. But when you dominate games like this, y' all still watch film when you win a game. Five, ten. That's what I meant.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Yeah. There's always mistakes made in each game you can learn from, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Okay. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I was just curious. Shit, man. See, that's why I couldn't be no head coach. But we be somebody 5210 or we consistently dominating people week to week, scoring 40 plus, man, y' all boys take the day off, man.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Now, our coaches demand perfection, so they. They gonna perfect you no matter what.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Okay, I got it. I got it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Never accept anything in the win. You wouldn't and lost. So even though we beat somebody 55, 10, and somebody missed some assignments.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm not gonna allow that to happen because then you'll think that play because we want is acceptable. You guys have the third best defense in the country. I mean, God damn. Well, when you think of Indiana, I don't know if you really think of defense. I mean, you're putting up 55 points. You're probably thinking about offense. But when you see 10, you see 6, you see 13, you see 15, you see 10, you see 9, you see 0, you're like, okay, yeah, okay, I see. Is that if that. Is that your mindset is like, look, if we get turnovers, we create short fields for our offense. Our office is going to cash in, and then that's going to allow us to really put out, pin our ears back, and then we can just sit on stuff because we know that ball.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

That's definitely the mindset just to have our offense Back each game make it easier for them, and they make it easier for us some games too. So that's definitely the mindset. Just not give nothing up. We don't. We don't like catches, we don't like yards. We don't like none of that. So that's why we want the top defenses in the country.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let me ask you what, what made you, what made you choose Indiana? Because obviously, first of all, you probably have. You probably had some opportunity to go somewhere and run track. You run 10, four in high school. That probably figures like, you know, what with the right training, because they, they're looking at it like, in high school, these guys ain't really getting training like they're supposed to, but we get the right training, we get the right supplementation into them, give them the right nutrition, right track coach, we can probably get this guy down to the 10, maybe even sub 10. We definitely feel like we can get him down. Low 20, low 20.0, low 20s, maybe even dip below 20. So what was your thinking when you went to Indiana where you. Did you want to do a dude, did you want to run track, play football? Or was India. Were you all in on football?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

The crazy part with me is I, I didn't have no, like, big offers out of high school. I went to James Madison with Coach Sinetti. Okay, okay, yeah, James Madison. No, I wasn't thinking about running track either. I ran track because everybody who played football had to run track.

[Johnny]

So I tried.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Yeah, having to run track, but I went to James Madison and then out of James Madison, I entered a portal and it was, it was really a no brainer to follow Signetti to Indiana. So that's how I ended up at Indiana.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, okay, I see, I see, I see what you're putting down now. You know, hey, you know what I'm saying, o' Church, they drop a little breadcrumbs. You know, Hansel and Gretel, you know how they got back home? They had breadcrumbs. Yeah. You know, Coach Signetti dropped a couple of breadcrumbs for him. Like, hey, I'm gonna leave this right here for you. Go pick it up. You just a little something on the floor for it. He grabbed it in Bloomington, Indiana. There he is. Hey, so look, you got three games left. You're at Penn State, you Wisconsin at home, and then you got Purdue. Everything that you guys, I'm sure, everything that Coach Signetti put up on the board of what the goals and what you want to accomplish, you're three wins away. In the regular season, that's not the ultimate goal. Obviously win the Big Ten, Obviously getting to the college football playoffs this year, I obviously cash it all in. You're three games away. How do you keep the focus? How do you. How do you stay right here and don't get here? Like, man, man, Penn State, they already done fired. They coach, they done. They done gave up on the season. We got Wisconsin at home. Ain't nobody beating us at home. And then we got Purdue. Nah, we. Hey, we got them. Even though that's a rival, that's a rivalry game. Purdue in Indiana, that's a rivalry game.

[D'Angelo Ponds]

You just keep that same, same one and O mindset. We ain't got to change nothing up. Just go 1 and 0 each week. Not looking ahead, it'll come. Whatever we got in store for us, it's going to come. So just going 1 and 0 each week, that's the goal for us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's it, man. Man, congratulations, man. Thanks for joining us tonight. We really, really appreciate having you on nightcap tonight, man. Best of luck. Tell everybody. Hey, congratulations. Keep your head down, keep your ears open, and full steam ahead, man. Hey, when y' all win the Big Ten, come back and tell us, all right? Appreciate it. D' Angelo Pons joining us tonight. Hey, that was dope for the Indiana Hoosiers. He's the cornerback on the third best defense in the country. And they give up less. 11 points a game. Less than 11 points a game. Actually 10.9.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what? That, that, that Winter McCarthy game is going to be really good. That, that Penn State game is going to be really, really good. Huh? That's gonna be. That's. That's gonna be a tall tale, a tough tag. Hey, Johnny, what's up?

[Johnny]

What.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do, baby? I had a.

[Johnny]

Like a. I guess we'll call it like a Nissan. I guess I had like a Nissan Altima on the World Series. So I've been sitting there trying to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you took the Dodgers.

[Johnny]

Maybe I took the Dodgers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, they lost.

[Johnny]

Now they, they won an extra innings.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So, yeah, they won an 11. Yamamoto was sensational. I mean, Earl Oral Horschiser in 1988 did the exact same thing. He was World Series MVP. If you go back and look at 2001, I think that's when the, the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees. And that's when Kurt Shillings and Randy Johnson shared the mvp. And I said, based on what he had done in the first game, complete game, and then he followed it up in game six to get him in game seven. And I said, you know what? If he comes in and get the save, he's gonna be the mvp.

[Johnny]

And rightfully so, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, hey, hold on. I'm. I'm confused now. You say you, You. You bet a Nissan Ultima on the Dodgers to win this game, right? No, I'm.

[Johnny]

The series. When the series came out and I saw it was Toronto versus la, right, I immediately was like, I think the Dodgers are going to win this game. Win the series. 100%.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Johnny]

And I went to game three, 18 innings. I sat in left field until 12:30 in LA and watched every play of that game. Probably the best sporting event I've ever been to in my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Johnny]

And crazy. What a series. What a game. The last two nights. Unbelievable. World Series. Everybody who's a baseball fan should have thoroughly enjoyed that. Sure. And what a wild day of college football, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. If I'm not mistaken. So the series is. What is it? Tied?

[Johnny]

It's over. It's over.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Four, three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was. That was game six. That's it.

[Johnny]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God damn the judges. That went back to back, back to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Back, back to back. That's the first time that was the first time since the Big Red Machine 75, 76, that a national League team has gone back to back with Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan and all those guys that. Tom. See, don't. Don't worry about it back in the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And see, listen, when you think about the investment you. When you think about the payroll and investment that they put on these players. Freeman Otani, who Mookie.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They got Yamamoto, they got Glass. Now they play Blake Snail.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why the Dodgers figured it out, Johnny. Well, how come the Yankee can't do it? Because the Yankee did the same. I had the same goddamn philosophy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Pitching and Yankees. I mean, if you think about it, it was. It was the Dodgers pitching that actually saved him. Yamoto game, because Yamamoto game. A complete game in game six. He gave him six. He gave him a complete game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, he played. He played nine innings.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He gave nine.

[Johnny]

And he came in tonight. And he came in tonight. He came in in certain situations after last night.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He gave him six inning last night and he came in. How the hell are you gonna come.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In tonight after just pitching nine? And your shoulder's supposed to be off.

[Johnny]

The bone because you don't play till next spring, you ain't gotta do nothing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, we worry about that. That's why they gave him what they gave.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When, when you, when you, when you pay, when you pay that. And that's why, that's why the Dodgers, that the Dodgers guy is the same guy that brought, just brought the, the, the, the Lakers. Ah, so they gonna spend money. They say it takes money to make money. You see, Mookie best got a 200 million dollar contract. Freddie Freeman got 150. Shohei got 700. You got glass. Now you got snail, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, congratulations. Congratulations, you Dodgers fans. You know, I'm not much of a baseball fan despite me being a five tooler in high school. But congratulations to y' all boys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Don't worry about it. I'm a bigger. I like baseball. I don't watch it like I used to. I used to watch the World Series all the time. I'm very familiar with the players. I'm very familiar with the history of the game. But man, the Dodgers are mean. Think about it. It's been 75, 76. That's 50 years that you've had a National League team go back to back. I mean, the Yankees, you remember the Yankees? Yankees won what, 92. No. 98, 99, 2000. They lost in 2001 to the Diamondbacks. That was the 911 series. But man, Dodgers, congratulations. I mean, hey, I guess they got the best team money to buy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ohio State hasn't had a Heisman Trophy winner since Troy Smith captured the award back in 2006. But heading into the final month of the regular season, the Buckeyes now boast a Heisman front runner. Julian Saying delivered another performance in the 38:14 win over Penn State. The sophomore quarterback completed 20 of 23 passes, 316 yards, four touchdowns. With the latest outing, Saying jumped Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson and Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza to become the Heisman favorite. Johnny, what you thinking? I mean, he was an Alabama. He's an Alabama transfer. Coach Saban said today that, you know, he was the w. He was the coach that had him running scout team.

[Johnny]

Yeah, I mean, look, this guy is playing really, really well right now going into the last month of the season. Obviously, things change in the Heisman race, but when you look at Ohio State's picture, the way that they're playing, the way that he's playing, you think all of us would probably have to agree here that he's a shoe in for New York. He's going to end up as a fine yes for sure. Now it's kind of can somebody else. There's that moment, right? We talk about it all the time. There's the moment that comes. Has he played stellar enough to get to New York? Absolutely. Do I believe that Marcel Reed so far has played stellar enough to get to New York? Absolutely. I think Mendoza as well from Indiana has probably played well enough to get to New York. But look played well enough to get to New York as well. If you had to ask me, those four guys obviously leading the odds right now, if you're going by the odds makers. But there is still that time to capture a moment. There is still that time to go out and have a game or a play or a series that sets you apart from the rest. Is Ohio State going to have a game that they're actually in for him to have something like that? Or are they just going to breeze through undefeated, kick everybody's ass, be the number one?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Maybe Michigan, maybe.

[Johnny]

We'll see. Michigan didn't look very good today, but you know that game, you throw everything else out the window. Yeah, I'm really looking at Marcel Reed. He does get that moment. If Texas plays the way, if you got Texas the way they did today, you go into the last game of the season, you take care of business in Missouri. Next week, you, you go beat Sanford, you, you get Texas Day after Thanksgiving on the road, you look what just happened. I'm really interested because no way would I have thought that Vandy would have been favored and or would have been underdogs in that game today. Vandy was never in that game today until the onside kick was wiggling its way out of bounds. They were never in that game for a second. So Texas manhandled them. That was the best Texas team has looked all year. You have to. For the first time, as I've sat on here and bashed Arch Manning, bashed away Texas's look. They still have no run game. Did his receivers and their outside blocking scheme. Ocho, that was some of the best hat on hat outside blocking I've seen in a long, long time. Open up the play. First play of the game. Arch didn't have to do a lot to get started in the game, but get the ball out of your hand quick, get it on the perimeter, hat on a hat, take it to the crib. I would do this with Mike Evans all the time. So you do have to give Texas credit. They have a very solid O line because Vandy threw everything they could at them. Their defense and pass rush, pretty solid. Played. They played really well. So if Arch can play like that, I think you go into the last game of the season, Texas versus Texas A and M, you may have Texas favorite in that one too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think the thing is, Johnny and oo, when you look at it, Texas played for three quarters. They can't play any better than what they played for three quarters, right? Their defense was outstanding on Pavia. Arch Manning was, I mean he got hit in the chest and he threw a ball in the end zone. I'm talking about, he took a shot right to the chops and he, he, he, he let, hey, I'm like, okay, walk it to him, Arch. And then all of a sudden come the fourth quarter, they forget how to play football. Two blown coverages, bro. How you lead how twice they got a third and 19 and you let a guy pick it up. I'm like, bro, no, it was fourth and 19 and, and, and you, you let two, I mean you had three plays where I'm talking about DBs. What are you doing?

[Johnny]

Yeah, the one, the one place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It.

[Johnny]

Was, it's, that's just. Where does that come from?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And on the 4th, on the 4th and 19, they, I'm like, corner, why are you sinking so much? The Guy catches a, a 16 yard route turn, he's already at the first down. You don't have to sink that much. Hey, I was like back to saying he has four games this season completing 85% of his passes with 300 yards and at least three passing touchdowns. No quarterback in the country has more than one such game. Saying who backed up Will Howard last year's championship run, is putting up big numbers in his first season as a starter. 22, 24 yards, 24 touchdowns, only three picks. Top ranked Buckeyes are trying to win backto back national championships for the first time in their program.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle Johnny. They got a good, they got a good chance to do it. They got a good chance to do it. Listen, s saying what it was 20, 20, 2020 for 23 today, four TDS. And when you, and when you got weapons like Cardinal tape got Jeremiah Smith, you know, having to come to the, having a list and having to come to the job, it's easy to get the job done when you got them kind of weapons they got over there in Ohio State. But what I wanted to say about the Heisman Trophy, the Heisman trophy case, right? And those that are all, all of a sudden the names are now in the pot towards Johnny. What, what, what, what game we in? What we in week what, 10? Week nine? Something like that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fact that it took this long.

[Johnny]

For, for I was really, mine was really like 10, like 10?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I'm just, I'm gonna just say week 10. The fact that we're finally seeing names come out of the hat where nobody has separated themselves for the past nine to 10 weeks says all you need to know. That says everything you need to know. You know, they're good, they're okay. But ain't no goddamn Johnny Manziels. It ain't no Cam Newtons, ain't no, ain't no Joe Burrows. That from week one all the way through, they cutting the fuck.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I, I think the thing was, what happened is that there was really no quarterback that was in the Heisman running last year that came back to school. So normally, you know, Johnny, you normally have a guy that was in the Heisman running or you know, he was on the. And then he came back, but you get a Travis, he leaves. You get all those guys that's leaving, you get a Aston Genty, he leaves. So most of the thing about saying wasn't even starting. Ty Simpson wasn't even starting. Arch Manning wasn't starting. So you, you coming back with a. And guys have to show you, you know, they tried to. Arch Manning is the favorite based on what? Now he's played well the last couple of weeks, but how you gonna say he's the favorite now? Marcel Reed, he, he, he was a starter last year. He probably was. Him and Mendoza was he like the only starters that we can say. Like.

[Johnny]

Okay, you can really only say that for, for Marcel after he comes in the second half versus LSU last year. If you look the way Texas A and M ended the season last year, you weren't putting him on no Heisman list. If there was any quarterback that was returning this year that you would have had on a Heisman list early in the season, it would have been Penn State's quarterback. It would have been Drew Lar.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh yeah. Oh, but yeah, I, I don't, don't get me started. And Matier, what mater did Matier transfer into?

[Johnny]

There was a lot of Heisman mater talk earlier in this year for sure too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. And so I, I think that's, that's, that's what you have to. And you said it, Johnny. You go back and look at Joe Burrow. He had his Heisman moment against Alabama, he had that run. They come out there and they go head to head, cuz, you know, it's star versus stars. Look at all those wide receivers that go in the first round. The quarterback is number one and then you get two are going what, number five. And then you have all those receivers, you got Burrow, I mean, excuse me. You got Jenna, you got Chase, you got Judy, you got Rugs, you got Devonte Smith, you got Jalen Waddle, you got Najee. Man, bro, look at, look at all the talent out there. So, and then Joe has that moment. You have Devonte Smith who just goes crazy. Jalen Waddle gets hurt and every week he's having 180, 200. He's running a punt back. He's doing something that. No, you got to stand up and pay attention to me. Well, like you said, Johnny, I'm just waiting on. I don't know who or when they're going to have that moment. You had your moment down in Tuscaloosa. That was Johnny Manziel's coming out party. From that point on, they got a kid, man, down there.

[Johnny]

I got, I, I needed help though, even after that game. And this is a crazy thing the way the college football universe works. There's a offensive coordinator right now who's sitting at Texas A M in Marcel Reed's room every day coaching him. His name is Colin Klein. On week 12 of the season. Oh, from Case was going to win the Heisman that year. Colin Klein was winning that race. I was making a late push, but they played Baylor. After we played Missouri, our last game of the season, I had done everything I could do. We went out smoked. Missouri had an unbelievable game. And when we got out of that game, I went to a party with all my boys on the team and everybody was doing a ring dunk at Texas A and M and I was glued to a Kansas State vs Baylor game. And Baylor beat the brakes off of Kansas State. Colin Klein had a really rough night and I truly believe that when I left that night and went back home, I knew that I had won the Heisman that night. There used to be a thing called Heisman pundit. And for nine years in a row, this guy had a website that would, had predicted who would win it. Eight of the nine years he would collect enough votes from voters to see who would win it. And I was on this site every day checking. And when he had tallied up enough votes and said I was going to win, I kind of knew. But I needed help that year to even be able to get there. And when I was going into the Heisman, I thought Manta, I might sneak in and take it. The way the media was around then.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I thought because you came from so far, you got to realize where you came. You weren't even on nobody.

[Johnny]

Lucky to Even be on the field, huh?

[D'Angelo Ponds]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, wait. Hey, Johnny, who'd you say, Mike, who. Who you say you thought was gonna win it?

[Johnny]

Anti Teo. That whole girlfriend thing came out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Johnny]

The way it was. Even at the Heisman, even because you do the college football awards. ESPN and Disney before that and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Johnny]

He came through, won a lot of awards. And then we got to New York doing all the press and everything. I'm like, man, this guy might really have a shot. Notre Dame's a really beloved team in college football. He was a great player that year. Got his team into the national title. Luckily, you know, and I had the freshman bias too. That was a big thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, well, they had started. They had forgotten about that because once they let Tebow had won it because it used to be a situation. Adrian Peterson could have easily won the Heisman Trophy. Herschel Walker could have easily won the Heisman Trophy. Marshall Falk, his year. You go back and look at the year the Geno Toretto won it. How the hell Marshall didn't win that award, I don't know. But there are a lot of guys there. There are a lot of guys that wonder. We go back and look at, like, hold on. Like, I mean, hell, if I'd have played D1 ball in 2001, I think I'd have won the Heisman. Because Eric Crouch ends up winning it. I'm like, how the. Like what? And then Jason White wins it one year. I'm like, y' all just giving it. Y' all gotta give. Y' all figure y' all gotta give it to somebody. No, respectfully, Ocho, as you like to use the word respectfully. But Eric Crouch rushing for a thousand yards and throwing for like 700. That ain't no Heisman. I'm sorry. And it took him throwing the ball in the end zone and hitting somebody foot getting kicked up in there. Johnny, you probably was too young to remember that when that happened. But bad it's gonna be. It's gonna be close. I think we're gonna have a very, very close Heisman Trophy race this year.

[Johnny]

I think if. I think if saying comes in and has a good game in the Michigan game, they go to the championship game, they roll things out. He continues to play the way he is, throwing for a lot of yards, throwing touchdowns, three plus touchdowns every. Every game. If he does that, continues the streak that he's on, he's going to be tough to go beat. But the thing about Marcel is he has so much ability to be able to bring in like he, he had a couple flashes that almost looked Lamar esque last week versus lsu. Yeah, you know, he's kind of skirting into the end zone. He's so deadly with his feet, his receivers, you know, he's chunking the ball around. I think he has that dual threat that fit what you've seen from myself, from a Mariota type. Now does he throw it as well as us right now at this point? No, but he runs it well enough to have a dual threat with, you know, is in line for Heisman guys in the past. So obviously I'm going to be a homer. I'm, I'm starting my Marcel for Heisman campaign here relatively I think about November 15th. I'm really going to fire up the train, but nevertheless I think we'll have a good race. One right now that seems a little bit unclear, but in a couple weeks, two, three weeks, I think we'll start to see some people pull away.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It'll crystallize itself. Arch Manning in the Texas returned to Darrell K. Royal stadium for the first home game in 42 days on Saturday. Arch went 25 of 33, 328, three touchdowns, no ints. The number 20 Longhorns held off the number 9 Vanderbilt Commodores. Despite the Commodore scoring 21 fourth quarter points. Arch became the first player in Texas history with 300 passing yards, three touchdowns, 75 complete percent percent completion percentage against a top 10 opponent. Manning was blitzed on 10 of his 34 drop backs. He finished 8 of 10, 145. All three of his touchdowns came against five or more pressure. His career touched down against the blitz. He has the most touchdowns against the blitz in his career and all three came on play action. He had a three touchdown. He had such three touchdown passes in his career. Coming into today, Longhorns fans chat chanted overrated. At Commodore's quarterback, Diego, he was no overrated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Poppy with 2738 for three TDs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And he had 365, man. Yeah, and then he only turned the ball over once, that one turnover. I, I, I just think the thing was. Look, Texas got concerned, Johnny. You know you get a big league like that, you start running the ball and next thing you know you in third and eight and then guess what, you're off the field now team get a little momentum, okay? They scored, okay? You keep the ball for two or three minutes, you kick it back to him. Now you blow a possession, now you blow a coverage. Now guess what, the guy just scored in 10 seconds. Now you got hell on Your hands. Now you're like, okay, now what do I call? I want to make them burn the timeouts, but I also want to give us an opportunity to try to, you know, run some time off the clock. Now they get the ball and you guys had it. They had. The guy bobbled the ball. The linebacker had. I mean, you won't get a better shot.

[Johnny]

Hearing them talk this infuriated me. Why we got linebackers on the. On the hands team.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because.

[Johnny]

Ever felt leather in their life other than the couch, them boys ain't touched a rock.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You put linebackers on there to go blow people up.

[Johnny]

They didn't know what to do with it. It looked like a. Look like an ice cube bouncing around in somebody's hands. I mean, look, Texas throughout that game. Yeah, you get comfy, you let off the gas a little bit. It is hard to keep that pace and keep that tempo up when you. You're just trying to get out of there. Right. But at the end of the day, Texas, that was a dominant performance, one that I have to give to them. Sark game plan that and. And Vanderbilt, very, very well. They knew their offensive line was really struggling at Vanderbilt. They did the week before. They brought some good blitzes. Colin Simmons, they had some guys really getting after Pavia all day. The, the pass rush really didn't settle down until the fourth quarter on those last drives where I think you. Sometimes you get enough plays in college football where the play count starts to get up there and guys just get gas. It's just what it is. But that was a. Was pure domination. I mean, from. From pretty much until 9 minutes, 8 minutes left in that ball game, it was all Texas and it could have. You know, there was a late pass where Texas ended up missing a field goal to give Vandy the ball at like the 35 or 40. That kind of started the whole thing on third down.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's what he did. The first place.

[Johnny]

The guy bounced and hit the ground when they reviewed it. But when they put the points up and said that it was good. And I looked at the scoreboard and it said 40 to 16. I'm like, oh, this. This ass whooping. Yeah, bad. And then that's how it felt really, throughout the whole day, I think you got to see a glimpse of what Texas could be or where is expected to be this season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Johnny]

And this is giving them. It should. And, and I, I did an autograph signing today with Marcel Reed, Concepcion, Cravers, all my Aggies, because they're on a bye week here. In Houston and we're watching that game and I'm like, yo, Vandy's getting their ass kicked. And they're like, oh really? I'm like, this should just give Texas the momentum they need going into the schedule that they have, in my opinion. You know, you beat a top 10 team, you go in this gives you a little spark.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen. And one of the reasons why they can be the top 10 team, one of the reasons why Texas look the way they look, you know, these, these past few weeks, is because of the quarterback play. Archman is he archmanist decide to come to the party. He decided to come to the party and play much, much better than what he looked like at the beginning of the season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, and again, if he had been playing like this Ocho from the beginning, oh, I'm not saying that he beats Ohio State. That's not what they have one loss.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what they would have, only one loss.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Johnny]

Well, if he plays like that, you have a defense like that, an offensive line that can protect you got a good coach, the one area of the flaw that you haven't seen in their game the entirety of the year. And Sark even said this, said this today, if we can just rush the ball for 100, 125 yards, we'll be okay. He's on his knees every day in that building begging to be able to find a running lane. They can't run the ball nowhere in a Pop Warner league right now. They couldn't run the ball. And, and that's just like one thing that's going to catch up to him. Like you run into a defense like A and M who plays the run pretty well. Like you're going to have a hard day when you become one dimensional.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you want to mention that, man, if you can't, you, you've got to be able to make people think you can run the football. You might not be able to run it, but if you just, if them guys just say they can't run the football, they're not going to try to run the football because they can't. And we just gonna go hunt your quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You in for a long, long, long ass day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Johnny, you know, that goes for the NFL as well. If you, you can't, if you can't establish the run, if you can't push and apply pressure to players against their own will and, and having the running game to, to, to kind of save you so you can pass the ball most of the time, you know, you Got to run the ball to open up the pass.

[Johnny]

Play your play. Action goes out the window. What are you faking for? You ain't got no threat to run it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Once you become one dimensional, it's, It's. It's a rap. It's a wrap.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Johnny. The Aggies are undefeated and ranked number one in ESPN strength of schedule metric. You guys beat Notre Dame, you beat Auburn, you beat Florida, who. That ain't saying. You beat LSU, you got Missouri, who's ranked 19th, and. But you got. Also, you're on the road against number 20th, Texas.

[Johnny]

Don't know if you guys already spoke about this, but that Florida win for us looks a little bit better after today because they had. They had Georgia on the. On the rope.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They did.

[Johnny]

They had them on the road. I don't know if it's. You know, sometimes you get an interim coach in there, you get somebody else calling plays, a little boost. Lagway showed a little bit of flashes. I mean, they played Georgia really, really tough today. I think, you know, Georgia had to go out and make some plays. I think once again, you know, they're kind of lucky to be able to escape out of there. But getting back to the Aggies, look, you got to go still continue to take care of business. And just one game at a time, take care of business. Everything is setting up for an unbelievable showdown. This is why the rivalry was brought back. And I think there's a lot of guys in our locker room, and I know there's a lot of guys in that Texas locker room that remember how last year felt because I went to that game and I sat through four quarters of that. We didn't come close to winning that game, not for a moment. Both teams have a lot of people back. Obviously, Arch is the guy now, but Arch got in that game last year, brought a spark, scored a touchdown. He's going to feel confident coming into this game against Elko.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Johnny]

I think for, for our guys at A and M, listen, this is the chance to get to that game undefeated and do something that hasn't been done at this school in a long, long time. Marcel, you want that Heisman? Go and take it. Go and take it. Against a team that Texas by then, but they were, what, 20 this week? They're going to be ranked closer to the top 10.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They're going to be. They're going to be a little. Yeah. Number nine.

[Johnny]

Top ten teams this year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They might be.

[Johnny]

Exactly. You go beat. You have a number, because Miami have a number three versus a number 12 matchup. In the last week of the season, with the ticket to the net to the SEC championship on the line, you've already punched the ticket to the playoff. You win this game, this gives you a two seed and a buy. Everything you want right there in front of you. How bad you want it? You want to hit the club? You want to go chase girls, you want to mess around? Yeah. You want to get in the book. Bless you. Or you want to go get it for A and M? I think you're. You're starting to get some respect. I think I heard Saban say this the other day. The two teams that have impressed him the most, that have shown complete from top to bottom, where they really look like they don't have a ton of flaws and look solid fundamentally through all areas of football, special teams, offense, defense. I have a head coach that's not putting you in bad situations. It's Ohio State and A and M. So for my Aggies, it's still premature because anything can happen in the SEC if you have one of those off days. But everything that you want is right there in front of you.

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