Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Johnny react to Miami BLASTING Florida + is it time to FIRE Billy Napier?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1: Miami BLASTS Florida + Is It Time to FIRE Billy Napier?!

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Contributors: Chad “Ocho” Johnson, Johnny Manziel
Release Date: September 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap Hour on Club Shay Shay, NFL legend and Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe, joined by co-host Chad "Ocho" Johnson and college football analyst Johnny "Money" Manziel, reacts in real time to the Miami Hurricanes delivering a resounding 26-7 victory over the Florida Gators. The show dives into the ramifications for embattled Florida head coach Billy Napier, debates the current state and economics of college football, explores the shifting landscape with NIL and the transfer portal, touches on coaching candidates and culture issues, and wraps with lively takes on other college football and NFL happenings.

Tone: Lively, candid, unfiltered, and full of sports banter.

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Main Discussion Themes & Key Insights

1. Miami Decimates Florida — The Gator Blues (03:09–15:43)

The State of Florida Football

• Shannon frames the discussion: Once a powerhouse that churned out NFL talent, Florida is now struggling to meet expectations.
• Johnny Manziel on Gator woes:

  "Everybody in Gainesville is used to that program being at the top elite level ... A change needs to happen in Florida. I know my boys behind the scenes are just shaking their head in disbelief.” (05:55)

• The Gators’ offense was described as "utter dysfunction from top to bottom"—they managed only 61 passing yards.
• Ocho hits home:

  “Redell Anthony ain’t walking through that door. Neither is Fred Taylor. And Tim Tebow was already graduated.” (07:21)

• Discussion on lost recruiting, program legendary status, and the need for not just wins, but competitive showings.

Is It Time to Fire Billy Napier?

• The consensus: The seat is extremely hot for Napier—Florida boosters, alumni, and fans are likely out of patience.
• Funding the change: Johnny and Shannon dig into the costs of buyouts, NIL expenses, and what it now takes to “pay to win” in college football (09:16–12:39).
• Shannon on the economics:

  “That’s five and $10 million in NIL... is not enough ... you gotta have a pool, 15, 20, 25, $30 million, because one player on your roster is going to command a probably a $4 million salary.” (09:16)

• Ocho says plainly:

  “If you don’t have the money, you gotta pay. You gotta pay to win now ... That’s the landscape of college football.” (07:38)

2. What Could Turn Florida Around? The Coaching Carousel (10:11–16:54)

• Urban Meyer is suggested as a would-be savior; all agree the alumni would “back up the Brinks truck” to bring him back, though Shannon points out things Meyer could previously "get away with" might not fly in the age of camera phones and the internet (13:28).
• Other names thrown out: Jimbo Fisher, even Deion “Prime” Sanders.
• Johnny puts it bluntly:

  “You want to compete. Look up in five years and say, okay, we can get into the playoff or you still want to be doing this? Because whatever this is right now for Florida…ain’t nothing special about it.” (14:29)

• All agree, Florida is now the “little dog in the state”—a bitter pill for Gator nation.

3. NIL, Transfer Portal, and the Shift in College Football (12:24–16:54)

• Whoever pays most gets the players: The hosts agree that the days of “legacy programs” winning just off name are gone—NIL and transfer money rule recruiting.
• Shannon observes that top Florida high school talent is heading everywhere but Gainesville (21:02).
• Ocho:

  “It will never be like the Florida Vol back in the 90s ... until you pay some of these players to attract them to come to your school.” (07:38)

4. Short Takes: Other Programs and Coaching Dilemmas (46:17–51:02, 59:09–67:59)

Bill Belichick at UNC: Disaster?

• The panel discusses Bill Belichick’s rough transition from NFL legend to North Carolina head coach: blowout losses, off-field distractions (notably his high-profile girlfriend sticking close to the sideline), and skepticism from media and alumni.
• Shannon:

  “Given what we know about Coach Belichick and how he’s run his programs ... the biggest distraction at Chapel Hill is Bill Belichick himself.” (56:05)

Dabo Swinney and the Clemson Crisis

• Clemson starts 1–3, their worst under Swinney; Dabo’s antipathy to NIL/portal heavily criticized.
• Shannon lampoons Dabo:

  “He talks about, I don’t believe in the portal. I don’t believe in this. ... Dabo, the game has changed. You need to change with it—or you’re gonna go sit your ass down.” (59:09)

• Dabo's former “family program” message is now seen as outdated—expectations created during their glory run are now a looming threat.
• All agree he “has another year or two tops” to figure it out (64:48–64:55).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

1. The State of the Gators

• Shannon Sharpe (on Florida’s decline):

  “Florida used to have two or three guys going in the first round. ... But a lot of these guys from the state of Florida, they go other places. They don’t go to Florida.” (19:54–21:02)

2. College Football Economics

• Johnny Manziel:

  “My advice to [Florida]? Go play that lottery with the Alabama lady we talked about a couple weeks ago!” (12:47)

3. The Urban Meyer Factor

• Ocho:

  “If you get him [Urban] to come back for whatever reason ... he could turn that program around pretty fast.” (13:11)

4. NIL and Competitiveness

• Ocho (on NIL reality checks):

  “[Dabo Swinney], you trying to use a BlackBerry, you trying to use a flip phone. It’s not going to work.” (61:11)

5. Changing Culture

• Shannon (on coaching discipline):

  “You either coach it or condone it.” (44:44)

Lighthearted / Candid Moments

• Johnny Manziel on bouncing back from a loss:

  “It’s a bottle of whiskey on the couch, on the Xbox type of night ... box of tissue after this one ‘cause you gonna be sittin’ there looking in the mirror.” (71:00–71:12)

• Ocho (on running behind your pads as a running back):

  “And if you don’t run behind your pads, you’re gonna get yourself hurt.” (74:28)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Section | Timestamps (MM:SS) | |------------------------------------------------|-------------------------| | Miami blasts Florida / Is it time to fire Napier? | 03:09–15:43 | | NIL, Transfer Portal and Recruiting Woes | 07:38–16:54 | | Who could turn Florida around? (Urban Meyer, etc.) | 11:06–16:54 | | The coaching culture shift in CFB | 42:04–44:44 | | Bill Belichick at UNC — culture clashes, distractions | 46:17–51:02, 54:43–56:05| | Dabo, Clemson & “Adapt or die” | 59:09–67:59 | | Indiana bombs Illinois/College Football closing takes | 68:23–71:47 |

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Additional Highlights

• UAB Player Stomps on Kicker’s Foot:
  The trio react to a bizarre college football moment—a UAB safety intentionally stomping on a Tennessee kicker’s foot, drawing unsportsmanlike conduct but not ejection. (“That's some WWE right there.” - Johnny, 37:29)
• On Today’s Players and Accountability:
  Debate about whether the modern era coddles players too much and how discipline is lacking—coaches used to “grab you by your hell [helmet]?!”
• Post-Game Rituals After a Blowout:
  “Ain’t no party ... I see y’all Monday.” (70:39–70:46)

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a raw, energetic, and deeply insightful breakdown of college football’s shifting sands in 2025—seen through the lens of powerhouse programs in trouble (especially Florida and Clemson) and the new, money-fueled era of NIL and the transfer portal. The Club Shay Shay trio combines real talk, inside knowledge, and unfiltered humor as they call out coaches, question old-school attitudes, and highlight the new realities for blue-blood programs. This is essential listening (or reading) for any college football fan seeking to understand not just who won on Saturday, but why programs win or lose—and how the future will be built.

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(For full context and deeper banter, check the marked timestamps for each topic.)

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Johnny Manziel]

I'm doing great back in the States. Glad to be home.

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[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, this is. This is a tough look for the Florida Gators program for them. I think everybody in Gainesville is useful to that program being at the top elite level. You're used to what you've seen in the past, what they have going right now, what the preseason expectations were for this team. They don't get tossed around by in state schools like this ever this consistently in the past. So for them to be struggling, a change needs to happen in Florida. I think everybody from one end of the spectrum to the other at the University of Florida is uttering for that. I know my boys behind the scenes are just kind of shaking their head in disbelief. I mean, DJ Lagway was supposed to be their guy. This is a guy that you're looking at the top of the SEC quarterback rankings at the beginning of the season. He's up there tonight. 12 of 23 for 61 yards. That's supposed to be an opening drive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're exactly right.

[Johnny Manziel]

That's supposed to be. That's supposed to be what you script. First 15 is supposed to be 61 yards to play 4/4 of football and get 61 yards of passing offense. You ain't going to be doing a lot with that. That's complete and total and utter dysfunction from top to bottom on the offensive side of the football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When we put this in perspective. Ocho. But Cookman's quarterback, Timmy McLean had more passing yards, 86 against Miami in a loss on fewer pass attempts.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, listen, Redell Anthony ain't walking through that door. I kill you ain't walking through that door. Neither is Fred Taylor. And Tim Tebow was already graduated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Emmy Smith, Risha Caldwell.

[Ocho]

Anybody else listen all the way down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I Think.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think things need to change. Even if you do change the head coach uncle, it's still gonna be the same thing. If you don't have the players, if you don't have the money, you gotta, you, you, you gotta pay. You gotta pay to win now. Yeah, that's just, that's the landscape of NFL college football right now is to be able to bring recruits in, those that can, that can contribute and play right now. And until you do that, until you have boosters and you have support behind the scenes, to be able to pay some of the players to attract them to come to your school. It will never be like the Florida Vol back in the 90s, back in the 80s, back in the early 2000s, where you can compete with the Miamis. Were the other teams in the, in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The, in the Bamas, the Ohio State.

[Ocho]

That's long going. That's long going. You get, you got to play to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now it's taking you even more, Johnny, because you got to go into the portal. You got to entice some of these kids that's in the portal that's thinking about it, saying, you know what, I got a little extra. Hey, okay, I'm making a million here. I'm making 500,000 here. I wonder if I can go to another school. Teams are looking more so now at portal than, than they are high school seniors because they want someone that already knows what it's like to be in college. They already have study habits. They've already gone through the process of being on a college campus, of playing college football. So that's kind of the direction if you look at it. Everybody, teams are starting to try to move in. Hopefully they can entice someone to leave an Alabama and come to their school, leaving Ohio State and come to their school, leave a Michigan or Texas A and M or whatever a program is, offer them more money and get them to go there.

[Ocho]

Okay, there we go. I'm gonna say entice them how? Because listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's money.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's five and $10 million in nil or whatever they want to call it is not enough, Johnny. You got to have a pool, 15, 20, 25, $30 million, because one player on your roster is going to command a probably a $4 million salary.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he got, he got to be that boy commanding $4 million. You got to be a difference maker. You got to be a difference maker to be able to command that kind of money. You think you look at the landscape of college football right now and the players that command for me in the better. See that boy? Jeremiah Smith. That's that boy. Man, listen, if it was last year, Jeremiah Smith was top five as a goddamn freshman. He was coming out in the draft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

He can command that kind of money. So players that command that kind of money, you got to be special and be able to change a program, the, the trajectory of a program right away. Right now, it ain't that many of them. I'm. I'm just going to be honest. I'm be honest with you. It ain't that many of them. Right? Not right now. Not like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think you got to recruit. John. Let me tell what you think. Look, Billy Napier, I. I think he's a really good coach because he was on that staff with, with Nick Saban. Then they had Dan Lanning and they had Kirby Smart and they had a perfuel and they had all Mario Crystal. They had the coach at Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin. That's if you go back and look at that staff and what they had. If I'm not mistaken, Dan Lanning was a grad assistant. Kirby Smart was the head coach. And they had, you know, they had all these guys that are, that are coaches now in the end of major college program. Billy Napier, if I'm not mistaken, was the receiver coach. But you've got to be able to recruit and can they, can they entice Urban to come back? Urban left because he had heart palpitations and then he went to Ohio State and they got better. They got good medical staff at Ohio State and a little bit more money and they had better talent.

[Johnny Manziel]

I'd back up the Brinks truck if I was Florida to get Urban Meyer back. I'd do anything in the world to get that man back there and get something. The good news for Florida with the way the college football landscape is right now though, is if a couple of these guys get together and say, enough is enough, we're tired of this. You can go get 30, 40 million dollars in a pot in a Gainesville alumni. You can go to a collective and get enough money and be like, listen, we're going to hit the transfer portal really hard this offseason and in 12 months, your roster and everything can look completely different as you go into fall camp a year from now. So that's the one thing that Florida has. They have the pedigree, they have the history. They are in a great conference. They're just not good right now. You look at their schedule this year, what they've done 10 points the first week they score 16 points. The next, that's 26 points. Then they put up 55 against Long island, which, yeah, honestly not enough. And then seven tonight. So against three, three good real schools, that's 28 and seven. What is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

35?

[Johnny Manziel]

35. Yeah. 35 points in 12 quarters of football. What are we talking about here? That. That ain't enough to beat nobody. There's high schools out there that could probably come up and whoop up on them. Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing you're talking about, Johnny. You say there's enough money to get in the. To put together to. To create a pot at a portal. You're gonna probably have to buy Billy Napier out of that contract. That's going to talk. That's going to cost you 20, 30 million right there.

[Johnny Manziel]

Take the A M path, man. Stroke that check and get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Florida ain't got that money like Texas A and M. Texas A got deep pockets. I mean, their hands go all the way to the. Their pockets so deep, they go all the way to the ground.

[Johnny Manziel]

My advice to them, My advice to him. Go play that lottery with the Alabama lady we talked about a couple weeks ago.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey, unc. And I think it all comes down to. Especially if you get a coach like Urban Meyer. If you get him. If you get him to come back for whatever reason, if it does happen, I think it's possible to get the money. And with Urban.

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[Ocho]

Urban Meyer coming back, I think players will probably gravitate and want to come.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To Florida for sure.

[Ocho]

Price is right. If the money's right and they allow him to do things his way and. Which. Which he. Which he did when he was there and he was winning at that time, he could turn that program around pretty fast. Especially. Especially in the off season with the transfer portal. He can do. He can do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's harder now to. Ocho. They don't let you. They don't let the. After the student athletes get away, they got this thing called the Internet. They got this thing called the camera phone. They got this thing that. So. So the things that. That, you know, he got away with at Florida and some of the stuff that he got away with at Ohio State, I'm not so sure now you're gonna be able to get away with said things. And so they. They keep her closer eye on it. Now do I believe if you were to come back the. The. As Johnny mentioned, the alumni association wouldn't be willing to get together to pay this man 11, $12 million. Who. What it would take to get a coach of that caliber back in the folds. Absolutely. I believe they would. And they say, you know what, if that means we got to spend 25, 30 million about Billy Napier out and another $70 million over six years to get Urban back in.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus another X amount of dollars to put in to try to get these top guys to come here. Okay. It is what it is. But we want to win.

[Johnny Manziel]

It comes down to do you want to have a good college football program.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or it's really that simple.

[Johnny Manziel]

You going to spend it and figure out a way to make it in the back end and figure it out over time. You want to. You want to be good. You want to compete. Now you want to look up in five years and say, okay, we can get into the playoff or you still want to be doing this? Because whatever this is right now for Florida, it is. And you're the, you're. You're the little dog in the state right now. And that's tough for them to swallow, for them to have to sit there and look at because the product that they're putting on the field, it's. You don't want to kick people when they're down. Right. But you have to call a spade a spade and call it what it is. That this team, this program, there ain't nothing special about it. You let us come in and walk over you and. And then turn around. Another in state rivals smacked seven points. Not even competitive.

[Ocho]

Hey, and Johnny, it all comes down to those that actually have the money to be able to pull this off. This investment is long term anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It's not about right now. Are you willing to invest the money to see your program turn around? It's not going to be an overnight. It's not going to be an overnight success. It takes long term because the people that have this kind of money are all about business. They understand how business works. You put the money in now and you wait until things gradually improve year after year. Especially if you get a coach like Urban Meyer back, things are going to turn around pretty fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. The question is that Urban, at his age, he's been away from the game for a while. He has a nice cush job at Fox. He gets to talk about football a couple of times a week, maybe go interview a coach here and there's. And he doesn't have to. What.

[Johnny Manziel]

What about Jimbo Fisher?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, yeah. Now that's the A Jimbo say, hey, I got a pocket full of money. I get to get.

[Johnny Manziel]

I could use the other pocket full too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, my left pocket full ain't got nothing in the right. Let me get this right before I. You know what? Now that you mentioned that. I like that. I like that. Hold on.

[Johnny Manziel]

I got coaching anywhere knows the state of Florida. Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was. He was the head coach at Florida State.

[Ocho]

Hold on, I got. I got one. I got one. Listen, I'm just throwing this out there. Just. Just possibilities. Since we throwing names in the hat, what about another. Another Floridian that knows Florida very well in prime. Coming on back down to Gainesville. Obviously, I know it's not Tallahassee, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, I'm just saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Since we put names in the hat, it's not a bad option.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Johnny Manziel]

That would make some numbers that would move the needle. Prime. Be prime. Being in the SEC and in Florida, that would be absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he definitely.

[Johnny Manziel]

Colorado gonna be holding on for dear life to try and keep him. But it all comes down to the brass and who's running the show at Florida and what they want to go after. But you know, this hire and what they've done with this staff, this is definitely not working. I think the original question to. To sum up the whole thing is, you know, this Florida team and this Florida program is not competitive in the SEC whatsoever. And that's. That's just not acceptable for a program of that kind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. And the SEC is getting better. It just is. The days of. I mean, you got Oklahoma came there, Texas came in there. Georgia is good. Hell, look at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is. Hell, he's looking good. Vanderbilt might put foots in Florida this year, so they're gonna have to do something. And guess what? In two weeks, Miami and Florida State. The Canes are off next week while the nose will have to beat Virginia. If that happens, we'll get a top 10. Canes and Knowles.

[Ocho]

Hey, that game. Hey, Johnny. That game. Now, the way Florida State plan is this year, the way the Miami Hurricane playing this year, it brings that. That old excitement of the early 2000s where they would meet up. It brings that same excitement defensively, offensively, Both of them playing very, very well. Hell, goddamn Florida state put up 66 today. Now, I understand who they were playing it. It's nothing to hoop and holler about, but I understand who they playing. But obviously the first three opponent, first two opponents, man, they. They did a number on them as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did. They put. They put foots in Alabama.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, listen, their offense. Their offense is rolling. You, you, you look at every week from here on out, I'm putting some money on Florida State every week over on points, over on whatever you want to do. But they look good. You're supposed to go out and do that versus teams that are inferior. Inferior, yeah, yeah, inferior for sure you're supposed to. But the fact that you can go out and do it, your offense is clicking, you're rolling, you're not having any three and outs, any laps in judgment, that type of stuff. When you see that week in and week out, you're like, okay, these guys are dialed, these guys are clicking. So when you do get to a matchup like that, it's going to be one for fireworks. The bad news for Florida as well, just to add on a little bit of salt on their whole grave, play Texas and they play my Aggies, Mississippi State, okay. Then they got Georgia, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Florida State. And that will be the season for the Florida Gators. So I don't know if you hear about that, list those teams, what their schedule looks like, but it's really, really looking like a be a three or four win team for Florida this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I definitely don't see how Billy Napier survives that. I don't, I don't see how they.

[Johnny Manziel]

I mean if by some miracle they won six games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not enough.

[Johnny Manziel]

It's still not enough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not enough.

[Ocho]

Based on the standard in which Florida holds themselves, including alumni, the academic into my academic, the, the sports program in general, you're not gonna be able to survive. Huh? He's not. Matter of fact, the Dolphins in Florida in the same boat for sure. The Dolphins at the Gators is basically in the same boat. I think fam you could be Florida right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the biggest thing is Ocho and Johnny. When you look at it, you're in the sec. Unless you're Kentucky. You're a football school. It's really that simple. Yeah, you, you in football school and you want to compete. Because the one thing that Florida doesn't want to become is what Vanderbilt used to be in some. Occasionally they still are. Everybody's homecoming, you open the season and you see and they got a homecoming queen. That ain't good. You know what I'm saying? The first game of the season. Use somebody's homecoming, bro. They're like, damn. But if you go back, if you look at Florida, they just, they don't have. Florida used to have two or three guys going in the first round. They don't, they don't get. But I don't maybe that maybe you know, when you spread it out, Jeremiah Smith is going to fl. Ohio State and You know, a lot of these guys from the state of Florida, they go other places or they don't go to Florida. They go to Florida State or they go to Miami or they go to Alabama, they go to Ohio State, they go to Georgia, they go to Oregon. They go. They go every place except Gainesville.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And you got to. You've got to keep a few. I say you can. You're not going to get them all, because even when Florida was at its best, they didn't get them all. But you got to get some. And they're not getting nearly enough or nearly enough of the good ones.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In order to make a difference in the program or enough of this guy that's in the portal. But something's got to change. And normally you can't get rid of all the football players. The first thing you change is the coaching staff. And I don't advocate anybody losing their job, but I just don't see how Billy Napier keeps this job. Johnny.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, no, it's. It's not the fit like you. You have to have some semblance that things moving forward are going to be okay, that we're going to get this ship righted. You know, they have given him some time. And this, even last year, going back like it. It hasn't been great. So at some point in time, you know, these decisions behind the scenes are probably already. They're being talked about. They're being. They know it's a band Aid they don't want to rip off, but at the end of the day, sometimes waiting longer just makes it worse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oklahoma beats Auburn 24 17. The Sooners racking up a school record 10 sacks against former OU quarterback Jackson Arnold, including multiple in the final minutes to seal the win. John Matier has been throwing up the money sign with a nickname, Money Matier. When asked about the nickname, he joked, there's a little different person than Johnny. Said the difference between the first Johnny and me, Johnny, I'm going to church in the morning. Johnny. Damn. Johnny, I know you went to church at least once or twice.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, man. I grew up in chicken or something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You went to something called a church? Church is chicken, man.

[Johnny Manziel]

I grew up in the church with my grandparents, my mom, my dad. We would. We would go to church every Sunday when I was a kid growing up. Go play family scrambles on the golf course afterwards. We were definitely a house that was raised by the Lord, so more than anything, man. Philippians 4, 4, 13. You know, I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. My dog enjoy church in the morning. I don't think anything that he's that is that is said as a slight I get he's trying to be funny. It is what he is. Continue to keep playing well young fella and all is well. Oklahoma has a good team right now, first time being 40 for them in a while.

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[Johnny Manziel]

I don't look at anything like that to set anymore and take it as a slide or take it in any kind of way. You know, I'm still able to sit here over a decade later and be able to have some love shown towards me, still be talked about a little bit in this college football ranks. And I guarantee you any anybody that's playing college football right now would love to have the experience, the career and what I did on the field in college football. So he is playing at a very high level right now. He is a leader of a, of a great school with a great program. And you know, when you come into it and beat a team like Auburn and your second year in the SEC against a quarterback that you've known that's been in your room, you know, this is a game that definitely meant something to them. So for them to come out and be in this position, you know, for OU it comes down to what it comes down to every single year. And that's that game that happens in Dallas that's split down the middle and the Red river. And you never know what's going to happen or what it's going to be. We don't know what Texas really is. But you know, for now OU looks Pretty good and they look like they have a competitive team that's going to fight through this SEC and has a chance to go into the playoff for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Johnny, do you feel like every time there's a white quarterback in college that the little athletic and can run just a tad, they compare him to you?

[Johnny Manziel]

Probably. I mean people, people always see, people always see flashes and shades of me a little bit out there. The kid from Arizona State definitely moves around like me a little bit. I think he's playing as high level as anybody is in college football right now. The one thing I was talking to guys about today is man the quarterback play as a whole in college football. I'm missing the 2000, mid 20, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 years. Where's the boys that multiple guys went out and played like Deshaun Watson or RG3 or me or Baker or whoever Mariota. So many guys at so many different schools that were out there really doing people dirty. And I turned the TV on on this Saturday, especially today, I'm begging and hoping and pleading to see any quarterback out there doing something dirty playing high level, high caliber football even from the guys that we expect it from, right? The guys who we talk about all off season that are at the top of the rankings of everything. I'm not see, you don't see it from DJ Lagway. You don't. I see Sellers at South Carolina today on a third and long miss a wide open crosser that's just like these are those you have to make that other guys are making. Right now my favorite quarterbacks to watch is my guy at Baylor, Sam Levitt from Arizona State. A couple guys sprinkled here and there that are like making some plays. Marcel Reed is really making it shake. He's throwing the ball really well and running it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Other than that you expect the club Nick to play well at Clemson and.

[Johnny Manziel]

He'S not playing well like Arch. Arch isn't playing well. He can hop up and flex on Sam Houston all he wants. Corny move by the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not, I, I don't know. I don't know where he got that from. I'm sure not only did his dad call him, his grandfather called him and both of his uncles called him say what the hell are you doing? Yeah, you said over guy from Sam Houston State and you you're supposed that to help them up. You ain't got no business playing Sam Houston State.

[Johnny Manziel]

I did have a play vs. Sam Houston State at home where I trucked somebody in the end zone and I got up and I kind of stepped over him a little bit, but I didn't flex on him and I didn't get in his face. I just was a little hype after it. So I'm sure some people are going to come at me after that. But this for what Texas is right now and the way that he's been playing, it should be suit and tie buttoned up. I got to learn how to throw a shallow cross.

[Ocho]

Hey, the funny thing about it too, and, and Johnny, you think about all the quarterbacks, all the quarterbacks that have been hyped up, you know, in the offseason going into the, going into the college season, nothing really pops out on film most of the time. Especially back in the day. Obviously when Johnny was playing, there was always somebody that, that gave you a little excitement. You couldn't wait to watch when that individual played. And they, there just hasn't been that ob I I to me, honestly I, I was kind of fooled by the media, by the analysts, by the pundits because I thought Arch Manning was really the second coming of Christ because that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, he couldn't beat a seventh Guy got drafted in the seventh round. Oh he couldn't beat him out.

[Ocho]

Come on now listen, listen, you heard what you just said. Guy got drafted in the seventh round and couldn't beat him out. But again the way they talk about somebody, that's all I have to go off of the small sample size I saw when he came in when u was hurt, I, I can't go off of that. I'm, I'm basing everything off what these so called experts say and they had me thinking like okay, I'm locked in on, on the first week of Texas game and I'm looking like well this can't be.

[Johnny Manziel]

Well maybe I'm like now, right now the guys you want to flip the TV on like damn, maybe I'll watch this guy play. Quarterback Castellanos at Florida State is a guy who will get you up a little bit.

[Ocho]

He nice.

[Johnny Manziel]

Baylor in their offense is slinging the ball around the yard a little bit. Sam Levitt at Arizona State definitely has a little bit of something to him where he's making some stuff plays and extending some plays. Marcel I think is a guy who's developed passing the ball where A M's offense with their receivers and what they have right now are really, really exciting. And that's not me even being a homer. That's just straight facts to what we did in that game and what, what they're doing offensively and Colin Klein has them doing, I think that's an exciting offense to watch. But as you go around the whole country, there is nothing that really, really jumps off the page where you're like, damn, that guy right there. I gotta turn the TV on Saturday for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not so sure people even know who John Tier was. And now he's the favorite for the Heisman. The guy came in, he was an unknown. And I'm not saying unknowns. We saw that. We've seen Jaden Daniels come out of nowhere. We've seen Joe Burrow come out of nowhere. Hell, Johnny, you came out of nowhere. But I'm like, damn, at least some of the guys that were favored were playing well, but other guys just played better. All the guys that were supposed to be at the top, they playing like, man, stir fry. I'm like, what the hell is. And like for me, when I watch, when I watch Arch last year and when Ubers was out, you look who he played now, bro, I can't get excited about San Jose State. I can't get excited when you playing inferior teams. If you are what you said you are. I give you prime example. Look at Trevor Lawrence. He came in and he beat the starter out the previous year. That's what a number one overall pick supposed to do. That's how you're supposed to look. You don't supposed to keep a guy goes in the seventh round, keep you on the bench for two years, right? Ocho, how can I say, how can I say, man, I'm him and I gotta wait two, I gotta wait a year, I gotta wait two years before I get on the field. Ain't no way, huh? You got. I can see now if you wait behind Peyton Manning, that's one thing. You wait behind Cam Newton. Andrew, look, I get it, but the guy got to be drafted high. You sit, you sat behind a guy that got drafted. I think he got drafted the seventh round. He was a low round draft pick. Put it like this. He didn't go in the first three rounds, right? So I'm like, no.

[Johnny Manziel]

Can I ask a question? Would, would, would Texas fans and Sark, would they take Quinn Ewers back right now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah.

[Johnny Manziel]

Crazy and all we heard last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Play Arch, put Arch in.

[Johnny Manziel]

Crazy. Sometimes you have it good and you don't even know it. And I know right now that Texas offense with Ken yours behind the, behind the wheel, they'd be undefeated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Most popular guy on the football team is the Backup quarterback until he had to get his ass in and play. And then he become unpopular, just like the starter.

[Johnny Manziel]

Y.

[Shannon Sharpe]

UAB player. Stop.

[Ocho]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you see this player that stopped on the Tennessee kicker foot after. That's the point. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

After nailing a field goal to have Tennessee go up 20 to nothing, a UAB safety, S.A. bryant, stomped on the kicker's foot. Max Gilbert's foot. Brad was called for unsports, like conduct. Really, guys?

[Ocho]

He stepped on his kicking foot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, Ocho, I'm talking about why Bop.

[Johnny Manziel]

Oh. So he hit him with a quick run by. Stomp on the top of the foot and dip out. Almost like a dap up. But he just dapped.

[Ocho]

I ain't see that. He got into.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. You got to pull that up. You got to watch that. I'm surprised. Look, I'm trying to think if that would have happened in an NFL game, would they. They'll probably throw an NFL player out if you did that.

[Ocho]

No, they're just throwing their flag.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know, Ocho. An intentional act like that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you. You got to do it. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't try to be inconspicuous with it, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no, he wasn't. He would. Yeah, he tried to hide it at all, Ocho. I mean, he got. He got him good, too.

[Ocho]

If they didn't throw him out in college, they definitely wouldn't have thrown him out in the game. But you got to. Unfortunately.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, they pro. They're gonna probably. I think they gonna suspend it for the first half or something. Ain't no way they gonna let that slide. Don't you. Huh? Oh, somebody. But yeah. O. That. That was. I mean, that was you. He can't even say, well, I was trying to get up off the ground. It was like. You remember the old. And Dominican sue, how he was stepping on people?

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Ocho]

He wasn't playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was more. At least Dominican sue would say I was trying to get up and I lost my balance.

[Johnny Manziel]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can't say nothing because he could have just kept running off the field. He took off. He stopped. Oh, yeah. Let me get this while I made. It took off again. It took. It took off again.

[Ocho]

That's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

John. Do you. Have you. Have you ever seen something like that in the game? You ever experienced something like that? High school, college? I just looked.

[Johnny Manziel]

I just looked up. I just looked up the clip right now, you know, he's. The play ends. He's got to be Getting ready to jog on the sideline. He takes a peek and sees it. He's like, you know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, pull it up. Oh, you got to see it.

[Johnny Manziel]

You did you say, I'mma stomp on this real quick. Him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you see it on your. If you. When you see it, you're gonna say, yeah, they might. They might have thrown him out the game.

[Ocho]

I'm looking it up right now, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I couldn't. I. Because I'm like, I was wondering why they show. Why they showed up. Like, okay, the guy made a kick, so why they showing it? And then I realized why they were showing was a. It was a definitely an egregious act. I'm like, bro, what are you doing?

[Johnny Manziel]

Well, he kind of comes by and like slaps on the. Slaps on the long, the holder a little bit, and then just runs right by him and does the top of the foot stomp. That's some WWE right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You found it, Ocho.

[Johnny Manziel]

Crazy.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Johnny Manziel]

That's a new one for me. We're seeing some things in college football this year that are one on ones, first time for everything type stuff.

[Ocho]

I found it. Number one. Number one stepped on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't throw him out the game.

[Ocho]

And the referee. The referee standing right there too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Because, I mean, if you targeted. I mean targeted, they throw you out of the game. So what do you think he was trying to do? He stepped on the man's kicking foot and then the guy sold it because the guy started hopping around like he had stepped on a nail.

[Johnny Manziel]

You're just trying to give a team a little advantage. Yeah, I mean, right on the sideline probably like, yo, we see you, bro. We see you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I could. Look, I. I've seen some egregious acts, but, I don't know. Normally college, they try to try to sneak it. You know, we're working, you know, in a pile. Anything goes in a pile. Guys will do a whole lot of stuff in a pile, but not something so wide open like you said. Oo. The referee is standing right there. He. He tripped at it right there.

[Ocho]

I've never. I've never seen that before. That's. That's for me. That's the first.

[Johnny Manziel]

That's the first agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm like, bro, what. What are you. What do we. Johnny, what's going on with this new era? I mean, this. This new wave of players, Young boys.

[Johnny Manziel]

Out here, wing, they. They're raised a little different than the. Than the old heads back in the Day for sure. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't know how to act, man, I could have. Man, I couldn't even. I couldn't even fathom doing something like that in an era growing up. When I grew up, how coaches were. Man, coaches grab you by your hell.

[Johnny Manziel]

Maybe people aren't getting their ass whooped enough. Maybe people aren't. Aren't getting their ass chewed out enough to go through punish. But anything like that would have happened from a middle school, high school level. I'd have been running, running, rolling up, down till I puked. I'd have been getting my ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you can't grab a kid.

[Johnny Manziel]

You like like this? You like that? You really want to act like that? I'mma show you. I'm g show you on this field right here, all day, for hours. You're not going to act like that. You're going to treat people the right way. You're going to respect the game. It's like that. Just don't have that. And it starts from a young level of football, right? It starts from kids are playing ball earlier, so you're getting coached and people are growing up and being raised in the game the wrong way. From a very early age. You see it all the time with these shows they have now about, you know, younger kids playing football. The little tight show and stuff that you see, it's. It's crazy. You know, the purity and respect and level of the game and playing it the right way is definitely not there. From a hole. Are there, are there guys out there that. Is this speaking for a whole collective when things like this happen? Of course not. But stuff like this is happening more often. You look at it, you're just kind of like, shake your head. Like back in the day we didn't see stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know if you could. I don't know if coaches now, Johnny could grab your face mask. They used to grab you by the back of your shoulder pads like, so what the hell are you doing? Yeah, yeah. She hit you upside your head. And you go home and tell your grandparents and tell your parents. It's like, well, what, what? The first thing out of your mind, what did you do?

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They like, they already know for the coach to do that, you had to have done something. But you're right. I mean, today's. Now you afraid the kid, the kid is going to transfer, the kid is going to leave school, the kid's parents gonna come up there. Because the thing. If they, if they behave like this at home, they damn sure Gonna behave like this at school worse. Yeah, so I, you know, I. I remember I told my grandmother, Coach grabbed me by my face mask. I came home and told Granny's like, well, I guess that means you gonna quit. Like, nah, I ain't gonna quit. I need you to go tell him, don't do that no more. No, I ain't quitting. But I want you to tell him to make him afraid to not do it anymore. Yeah, man, my grandma's like, boy, please. You probably was doing something. You ain't had no business. Yeah, well, you still could have told him, don't do it no more. But that, that's the thing. Coaches now, the way they. And I'm great. Look, some things needed to be done, done away with, because some of the stuff that, you know, coaches had was getting out of hand with it. Now, I understand there's a certain level of discipline and order that you structure that you gotta have Johnny and Ocho, you gotta have a certain level of it. But sometimes coaches, they go too far with it and. But now, you know all that, you can't. The kids get water breaks every 10.

[Johnny Manziel]

Look at all the good programs. Look at. Look at the real programs throughout the history of the game, how they were coached, how things were done. Attention to detail. Things matter. You have to be hard. You have to have discipline. You have to be tough. Hard nose. Like. There's so many characteristics of what winning football teams and programs have had and coaches that have gone out and done it. And there's a reason some teams and some coaches are the way that they are and because they care about those things, and there's reason that other people aren't. And that's just what it comes down to. People think that it may not matter, but it does, definitely does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I'm not so sure how much how different Coach Saban was than Coach Bryant. Yeah, there's a reason why that's the winning this college football program as far as national championship and the Polar 1936. There's a reason why that's not an accident that, that. That a team has two statues out front of their head. Coaches.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. And the funny thing too, when you think about it, Johnny. Johnny spoke on the earlier about today's era of kids, especially going into college. They're wired a little bit different. They have money. Their mentality is a little different. Will a Nick Saban style of coaching. Will you be able to get kids to respond to that? Will they respond to that now in the. In this era? I know he's not that far removed from the game of football. But I'm just saying, if everybody had that same coaching style, I don't really think it would work.

[Johnny Manziel]

It's so hard. It's so hard, right? Because in this day and age, you don't want to do something to have a kid leave because it feels such a huge. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, the way I was raised, the coaches that I was around, it didn't matter. You were all held to the same standard and the next guy was up. If we're hurting because of that, that person that left or got suspended or was not on the team or whatever, he hurt the team. So you look at it as a whole, it is a collective one heartbeat type of thing. But at the end of the day, you're going to continue to coddle kids and do things a certain way and let things slide to the point of where it hurts and leaks through and infects the whole whole betterment of the group. No, at some point in time you have to put your foot down and be like, listen, this is right, this is wrong. You're going to do what you're supposed to do or you're not going to play in this program. And if you can't abide by that, see you later. I don't care what we're paying you. I don't care how good you are. I don't care what it is you. That's just the way of how coaches were with me. And I know how important coaching was for my life, for the game of football. It means everything. A good coach that cares and is passionate about it, that pays attention to the details versus one. That's not how it makes you better. What it does for you as a whole, what are we talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You either coach it or condone it. And then you know when you coming up like, bro, you tripping you, it was the players. But man, cut that foolishness out, bro, you're killing us. You, you, if you get kicked off the team, you, you want our best players, maybe the best player. Come on, bro, cut that foolishness out. Because sometimes you have to have your teammates tell you because they can get through to you when your coaches can't. They can get to you through. They can get your peers sometime can get through to you when parents, coaches, high up, whomever can't because you know, peer that, hey, that's what it said. Association brings on assimilation. And so sometimes the peers like, bro, come on, man. Man, cut that foolishness Out, Man, Coach ain't picking on you. You just keep doing dumb ish. Yeah, but once you cut the dumb ish out, we gonna be okay. Bro, you too good. But I've had. I've. I've been on had coming up and junior high and pop peewee and in high school. That guy's better than me. But you couldn't tell them nothing.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ojo. You know what I get when I go home, when I used to go home? Huh? Hey, tell them, Shop. I was better than you. Was not better than you in the fourth grade. Wasn't that better than you in eighth grade. Wasn't that strong.

[Ocho]

Fourth grade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, bro. You had me. You got. Because.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, listen, I told y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. I told y'. All that could have been me. Well, right now we 30, so I don't. And I don't really want to go back to the fourth or the eighth grade, but. Yeah, you had an opportunity. But. But you want to be cool and walk the streets.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, we all have the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

24 hours on Bill Belichick. Experiment at UNC is even bigger disaster than expected. They got blown out by UCF 34 to 9. Tar Heels only managed 217 total yards, 2.5 yards per carry against the night squad, picked to finish dead last in the Big 12 preseason poll. This outlook looked bleak for the four games in four games in the Coach Belichick's coaching era at Chapel Hill. The. They're not 2 and 2, but the two wins have come against Charlotte and Richmond. Now, guys, should we have concerns about Coach Belichick tenure off the field? Now, we've heard. Now it'd be very, very interesting if the situation. You know, he banned the scouts. Banning the scouts doesn't hurt Coach Belichick. It hurts the players that wants the scouts to come see him. And then he has a situation where. Where they talk about his girlfriend and how she's this and how she's that. You read the articles. So I'm not breaking news to anybody that's listening to Ocho and Johnny and myself tonight. I'm not breaking any news, but it seems to be. There are these articles that keep coming out, how she's around and how he seems not like the Coach Belichick, because I can imagine. Ocho, do you think this situation, he would have been a situation like this at New England? I don't know. We don't know. We don't know. But I'm just saying he seems different now than he was in New England.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I Think Bill Belichick has always been about business. The way he conducts himself when it comes to the game of football, that will never change. That will never change the way he approaches the game. Now, the difference is in North Carolina, in New England, obviously you have the players, you have the personnel to be able to execute and do the game plan schematically that you have also. He banned the scouts. But what the hell are scouts coming for? What they coming to watch?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't coming to talk to you.

[Ocho]

What the scouts coming to watch?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you watched players?

[Ocho]

Have you watched UNC play? Johnny, have you watched North Carolina play? Okay, well, what they coming to watch? Okay, they banned. Well, they ain't really nothing to come see anyway. No disrespect. Now, as far as this girlfriend is concerned, obviously you have someone younger, someone you want to cater to a little bit more, as opposed to those you've dated in the past who might have been of age and a little older, that went around, obviously wouldn't want to be around an NFL practice like that inside the NFL locker room are doing, doing things of that, that, that, that manner. College, little bit different, a little bit more lenient, different type of atmosphere and obviously dating someone much younger. And you, you want to more so caters that. Listen, I'm not in this personal business. I don't know. I don't, I don't want to talk much, much about that. But until he gets the players in there to be able to compete with everybody else, I mean, it's his first year. You. I would give Bill Belichick one of the greatest of all time at the NFL level, being at the collegiate level now, things have to start working in your favor. When you can get the players you need to compete with everybody else. That's all it comes down to.

[Johnny Manziel]

I think you look at it and you give him some time. Obviously, this is a new league, a new situation for him. The whole process of what he's doing. And the college football game is much, much different than the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Johnny Manziel]

I don't think anybody was expecting UNC to be a playoff team this year. I don't think they've been very good or very competitive in the ACC probably since Drake May was coming out. This is really probably the last time. I can't remember the last time I've turned on a North Carolina game to actually watch a football game. Their jerseys look pretty cool. Spy colors are nice. You look good. But you get your ass spanked every Saturday. You are not a football school. So for me, it doesn't entice me. But I think as a whole, as you look at it from a college football landscape, Belichick has an opportunity to do something amazing. If they get the right players and the right people in there, it will be a great story. Right now, currently, with what they have on the roster and what it is in this transition, it's not going very well. But I don't think you can really sit there and judge as a whole until you get ACC play. You see how you stack up against other teams in your conference. This is not a good look, obviously using to a UCF team, but ucf not a bad program. They've had years in the past. They, they've, you know, got a good thing going down there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I mean they both Scott Frostback.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, I mean you got UCF is a, is a solid program. They're definitely more of a football school than North Carolina is or has been in the past, in my opinion. So the girlfriend stuff, you don't see it anywhere else in college, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S the biggest thing.

[Johnny Manziel]

And from him the media definitely jumped on it and made it a big thing, maybe even bigger than it is. But to be walking around the field and warmups and this it is.

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[Johnny Manziel]

This and that and the cameras. When you know it's happening and you know it's causing a stir, when you know you're going to go into a press conference and get asked about it and all this stuff that comes along with it, it almost gets to the point like why the would you do it? Like, like why you know you're just adding more scrutiny and more things to the pot, like, honey, sit in the suite. Yes, baby girl. I'll see you after the game. What are we talking about? It's obviously a problem. It's obviously an issue. People look at it and they're talking about it every single week. Doesn't make sense to me. And it's so unbelie. Check. But at this point in time, with all that he's done, maybe he's just like, I am that guy. I can do what I want, and I'm gonna do whatever it is I want. That gave me the keys to this. I'm gonna run it my way. And you guys can watch and, and, and hate from the outside.

[Ocho]

And the funny thing too, about Bill, obviously, knowing him personally, he don't give two of you know what about what nobody say, what nobody think. He don't care at all, at all. He runs things his way, and he can always continue to run him his way because his way works and it always has. Now, obviously, they're not winning right now, but them not winning had nothing to do with her. It had nothing to do with her. Those that are watching and making stories about her being around, listen, his blow is being blown out of proportion because of who he is. If it was anybody else, it wouldn't be talked about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you a question. He would always tell you guys, distractions. This is a distraction for his football team. Now, he would say, he would say, let's limit to the distractions. Let's make sure it's about football. Now people are talking about things that are not football related. So the biggest distraction created at inside the University of Chapel Hill is Bill Belichick and what he had in the extracurricular act. I ain't saying that there's nothing wrong with it. He's consenting. She's consenting. It is what it is. But we've never seen anything like this, right? And I'm a little older than all over y'. All. I've never seen Coach Saban or Vince Dooley or Bo Schembechler or. I've never seen any of their. I didn't even. You saw their wives after the game, when they came down on the field after a big game. You know, you didn't see him. Man, if Alabama beat Eastern Michigan, you didn't see Ms. Coach Saban's wife on the field. Mr. Now they beat Auburn, they beat Georgia, they win the national championship, you gonna see Ms. Terry by his side. Yeah, but that was the only time So I think the biggest thing is Ocho, given that what we know about Coach Belichick and how he's run his programs in his 20 years in New England, minus the distractions, guys, we don't need distraction. Him saying very little. And for the most part, a lot of the things being talked about is his girlfriend. They're not talking about his team is bad. Ain't really anything good to say about it, but the distraction that he's allowing to be created. And so that's what's surprising, I think, to a lot of people, because we've never seen a coach of, of his caliber like, do, do like this. I mean, I saw like before the game, Ocho like he's on, like he's on the sideline and she back there, they talking like they going over game playing. I'm like, well, damn this. I said I don't know. So I was just like, I wonder, I wonder what's going to be said. I can assure you even he'll, he's Coach Belichick. I don't know if the alumni, I don't know if the, the, the, the, the, the chancellor, the president or whatever they call him at the University of North Carolina. I don't know if that's what he signed, they, they signed up for.

[Johnny Manziel]

I agree. It's, it's, it's odd. It doesn't coincide with everything that he's been about, about football throughout the entire entirety of his whole career. So I, I agree. I, I, I would think that somebody within the higher ups of North Carolina are kind of be like, what, what, what exactly is this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are we doing here?

[Johnny Manziel]

Because if she's sitting there drawing some plays in the dirt and breaking down film and trying to get us some gameplay, and so be it. We'll take that wherever we can get it. We'll take it from the janitor, we'll take it from anybody. We can get it throughout the organization. But that's not what this is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clemson, which was the top five team to open the season, is one and threes lost at home. They lost at home to Syracuse. 34, 21. Dabo was seen crying on the field after the game. Nick Saban has some tough love advice for Dabo. Dabo needs to look at what he needs to do in this program to make this program continually successful. Do you have to change the portal? Do you have to change name, image and likeness? The game has changed. You need to change with it. Otherwise you're not going to put yourself in the same position. Other people are and have a chance to be successful. This is the worst start to Clemson since 2004 and the worst start, worst start ever. In the Sweeney era, You know, he talks about, I don't believe in the portal. I don't believe in this. I don't believe players should get paid. Okay, Dabo, there are a lot of coaches that thought like that until they started getting their ass kicked by teams that were using the Portal when the team that were using the Nil. Now, one or two things gonna happen, Dabo. Either you're gonna adapt or you're gonna do like Coach Saban or you're gonna do like Coach K or you're gonna do like some of these others. You're gonna go sit your ass down. Because if you think your way, you think somebody's gonna go to, hey, now they go, you go. You're gonna still get some players. But if you think a player has an opportunity to go to Ohio State, in Alabama and Georgia and Miami or Michigan and they can get $2 million or go to Clemson and somebody, oh, get a scot. Oh, I just know, bro, that ain't happening.

[Ocho]

Hey, it's not going to work, Johnny. Dabo knows that the landscape of football has changed. College football is different. Now listen, y' all might not watch soccer, but like Liverpool and Man City, you have to pay to win. If you play, if you play FIFA, if you play Ultimate Team, if you play Madden, you got to pay to win. It's the same thing in college football. Dabo said some of the things he said in the past that lets me know that you don't want to adapt to the times that we're in now. What means basically you trying to use a BlackBerry, you trying to use a flip phone. It's not going to work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two way.

[Ocho]

Two way. Listen, he's still using that too. Hey, Johnny, everything has evolved. The game has evolved. And if you don't evolve with it, adapt or die. It's going to pass you by.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because remember Ocho, he was supposed to retire once the players started getting paid. Once these players start getting paid, it'll be time for Dabo to lead the game. What Dabo do? Got a raise?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now check this out. Dabo said most of the guys that's in the portal aren't good enough to play for Clemson. Well, Syracuse just beat Clemson with a transfer. Quarterback, transfer, offensive lineman, transfer, leading receiver, transfer, leading tackler. Hey, you might have players that ain't good enough to play for Clemson and that be your problem. Why you over there bumping your gums.

[Johnny Manziel]

Yeah, listen, he stood on business. He's still on business this last week, too. We won the conference 8 out of 10 years. I. I respected what he said. Right. Because his pedigree of what he's done has shown for itself. Of course, they've been at the top of the acc, which, if we're just being honest, hasn't been a very strong conference or had really competition in anything for the last decade. So they're kind of cakewalking through a lot of it, to be honest. It hasn't been. You get to the ACC championship game, they're mopping people by 40. The teams are. Are battling to go seven and six. Like, okay, yes, you've won the conference. Not a very good one, to be honest. Yes, you've been in some national champions. You. You've had some great players that have come through those days of what they were doing. Deshaun Watson, all the guys that came.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Through, defensive lineman that they had, Ocho.

[Johnny Manziel]

All the things that. That's. There ain't no players on that Clemson roster that look like that there, ain't it? So you're gonna have to go and adapt and be like, we'll take. Maybe you don't have to go to the. Hit the portal and get 15 guys, but you better go take three or four. You better go take three, four, or five. You better look around and start studying some film and seeing what guys are doing from smaller schools and go get you one. Because if not, people on your schedule are going to go get you one, and they're going to whoop that ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Georgia. Look at. Look at the teams that go. The best safety in college football is Caleb Downs. He left the University of Alabama. Everybody get. Because, you know, he said, hey, this program, I, you know, I win, I do it. Okay, let me know how that work out for you. Now. We're going to check back with you in a couple of years. Now. I understand. She's absolutely right. Ocho, he's won the championship. He's won the conference 8 out of 10 years. What?

[Ocho]

They got to do it now, to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My point, they paid you for that. Now, if you think that you're gonna just be able to coast, well, I won eight out of ten years, and we be having the same conversation three, four years from now. That ain't gonna happen, Dabo, because what you've done is you've created expectations. Certain programs, you have expectations, Dabo. You created that for Clemson. Alabama have expectations. Ohio State has expectations. Michigan has expectations. Georgia has Expectations. Oklahoma have expectations. Team. Certain teams have created what we call expectations.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you think because what you've done in the past, that's going to be good enough. No. No, it's not. Boy, they fire, they fly. Coker, he won national championship. Look at the record that he had.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I have a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Because of his resume, because of what he's done in the past. How much of a leash does Dabo have if things continue to go sour this season?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think another year. Two, max.

[Johnny Manziel]

He got another year or two for sure.

[Ocho]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's.

[Johnny Manziel]

He's earned that with what he's done, for sure. And you give him a chance to adapt. I still think this Clemson team will find a way to right this ship a little bit. You look at the rest of their schedule. I mean, North Carolina coming up, Boston College, SMU has a. Has a decent team, but they're still sitting at 2 and 2. Duke and then Florida State, Louisville, Furman, South Carolina. So, I mean, they'll be able to ride the ship, make this season look somewhat respectable. But at the end of the day, it's playoff or bus right now. That's a. That's a down year for them. One that makes it really hard to go into recruiting and everything else that comes along with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the problem that you have, because South Carolina is, you know, even though they lost again today, you know, South Carolina, you know, could possibly beat them again, could beat him. And you. Look, you. First of all, you're not making the College Football Playoff with three losses. That's not going to happen. And so now what. What are you selling? What are you selling them? Yeah, you made the college. I think they made the College Football Playoff last year, so you could sell that. But you. You. It's. It's been a while. He's gonna have to adapt, build on.

[Johnny Manziel]

Tough to build on. You really are selling the past and selling a little bit of a legacy. And you come to a good school, get a good education, we have a good football program, but you're not selling it that we have a great football program right now. You have pieces that are on your roster that you can look at when you come to practice and you come see how the guys work, the facilities, you still have something great to offer, right? That's the positive thing for Clemson. You have a coach that knows how to get guys to the next level. That's a positive thing. I think you have a coach there that seems like a great person, seems like a good leader, seems like he runs A good program. One that if you're looking at from a parental aspect, you would be like, I want my son to go there and play for this man. He's going to come out better, he's going to get a good education, he's going to be able to play high level football. So you have a lot of things still going for you at Clemson. But at the end of the day, winning is what matters. Being at the top is what matters. And having a team and selling point that you can go to the national championship if you come here and play for this school, that that's a major, major thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ab you. You're absolutely right.

[Johnny Manziel]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You'Re not getting that level of player. I mean think about it. You lose, you go from DeShawn to Trevor Lawrence. You got Kristen Wilkins, you got Cleland Pharaoh, you got Dexter Lawrence, you got AJ Terrell, you go Sammy Watkins and DeAndre Hopkins and you go Martavius Bryant. You look at the level of talent that they were getting. Not getting that now.

[Johnny Manziel]

No, it was a fact.

[Ocho]

You're definitely not getting it if your pocketbook ain't open right. Definitely not getting if you ain't writing no checks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, a Tahoe ain't gonna get it. Once upon a time a Tahoe or Denali would get you something. Not with other ke giving you Lambos and Ferrari and McLaren's that ain't gonna cut a Cullinan or Urus that. Hey, oh Joe, do you want a Denali or do you want to Uris? You want a Cadillac? You want a Cadillac or do you want a colony? The choice is yours.

[Johnny Manziel]

He cool in a smart car.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey Ojo. I understand it clips in South Carolina, Johnny. And pickups might be handy. So maybe you offer Shelby one of those Shelby Fords. Yeah, they nice. I almost got me one. Almost got one now. I might swing back around in two years. But I was like, you know, hey, right now I'm not in that, I'm not in the pickup space. Headspace.

[Ocho]

I got you. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Johnny. We will get you out of here on this one. Indiana destroyed the fighting of lion eye 63 to 10 in top 25 matchups. If I'm not mistaken, it was the first time both of these teams teams had been ranked since 1951. Hosting the ninth rank Illinois Bloomington. Saturday night the number 19 Hoosiers manhandle Luke Altmire and the fighting a line out. They swarmed the quarterback all night, harassing him in the quick throws and they beat them 63 to 10. Demoralizing Brett Bielema's team 63 to 10. You're not supposed to get beat 63 to 10. Johnny. If you're two top 25 matchups, it ain't supposed to happen.

[Johnny Manziel]

You've been a top 10 team for most of the season. You have a lot of expectations going into it. You get 63 hung on you. This is a humbling, humbling moment in their season and one that will define their season. Right. Indiana gets a lot of flack from last year getting into the playoff where they deserving of being there. They get routed in the playoff. Everybody's kind of making fun of them. But what you do with that going to the playoff is you build off of it, right? You have good players that are experienced, that have been there. They know what it's like. They won a lot of games last year. So you're building a culture that's, hey, we're winning some games. We are not the Indiana of old. We are not going to be pushed around and bullied. And when you go out and score 63 and 10 versus a ranked team, that's something you build on in a positive way. On the other side with Illinois, this is a wake up call. This is. Man, maybe we were reading too many of those press clippings about how great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We, how great we were, but we.

[Johnny Manziel]

Are what we thought we were. And this is a time for us to either come together, button up and still go do what you want to do in the season. One loss versus a ranked team that you look back and is going to be fighting for a playoff spot doesn't kill you. But you either shrink and hide and it changes your season, or you come together strong as a unit and try to fix the things you need to fix. Because 63 to 10 is. That's, that's a day that you'll remember for a while.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get beat like that, you're a. Ain't nobody going out. Ain't no part. Hey, man, you going to the. You going to the. The frat part? Hell, no. You think I want. You want somebody. You think I want somebody to see me after this ass whipping I just took? Oh, no, I see y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I see y' all Monday. I ain't leaving my room. I'm have my roommate pick me something up.

[Johnny Manziel]

It's postmates for them coming outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, man. Hey, first of all, I wasn't really outside like that anyway, Ocho. But if we lost by more than a touchdown now, I couldn't let down.

[Johnny Manziel]

This is a bottle of whiskey on the couch. On the Xbox type of night, you're trying a box of tissue after this one because you're going to be sitting there looking at the mirror, staring at the same, like, damn, we went outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put nine tubs on us. Nine of them. Oh, hell no.

[Johnny Manziel]

You're sitting on the sideline for the boys who didn't play, and you're just going flying by you in the end zone. All you see is refs raising their hands all night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Deodorant all night. Like, yeah, he got on shore. Yeah, he got on 100. Thank you, Johnny, for joining us tonight. Make sure you guys go subscribe to the Pot Johnny Glory Days featuring Johnny Manziel on his YouTube channel. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that like button. There it is on the screen. Glory Days with Johnny Manziel.

[Johnny Manziel]

Johnny, before I go, I am. I am off to the great city of Las Vegas here right after this. I need a from each of you. I'm hitting the roulette table. What we got?

[Ocho]

Hey, Johnny, do me a favor. You like. You like Frank Sinatra? You like the Rat? You like the Rat Pack? The Rat Pack. No, it. You know, go and see the Rat Pack at the Tuscany Hotel and Casino at some point. We in Vegas. It's a. It's a wonderful show. You'll like it. You enjoy it. I'm not sure. I tried to get uncle to go. He not listening to it be. Maybe I can get you to go.

[Johnny Manziel]

I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go check it out. I need two numbers for both of you. Because I go, I put a rack on each of them.

[Ocho]

Got it. Hey, you gotta t. You need to teach me how to gamble, man.

[Johnny Manziel]

I got you. Bakara is my thing. I'm about to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, I. I mean, I. I really never played roulette, so.

[Johnny Manziel]

You want matter one through one through one through 36, both of you, 27, 27, 8 and 8. I split the process.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, Bet. Enjoy, man. Have a good one. Johnny Manzel podcast Glory Day with Johnny Manzel. Make sure you go check it out. Appreciate it, Johnny. Oo Browns wide receiver Jerry Judy said last week the 11 and a half point betting line against the Ravens was disrespectful. Judy J Fired off double barrel middle fingers during the pregame introduction. Judy was fined $14,491 for the gesture to the crowd. And also The Ravens won 4,117 more than double what the spread was.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. There were. There were a Few fines at the NFL handed out, that's like, listen, I understand the double finger, double barrel, double middle finger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That gonna get you every time.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, they gonna get you every time. They find Saquon Barkley. $46,000 for lowering his helmet. He plays running back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You told me they didn't call it. You say, oh, they already called it.

[Ocho]

I saw it today. I saw the day go by on Twitter, and I looked at the play. I mean, what the hell is he supposed to do? Like, what are we doing? What is the competition committee or whoever it is, whoever's passing out these fines? It's still the game of football. You can't change the way you play. You can't change the way you run. You can't change the way you tackle. What are we doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I thought you always supposed. When I did play running back, they always say, run behind your past. And even when I wasn't running back, I tried to. You know, I'm gonna go into a crowd, I'm gonna run behind my pad, right?

[Ocho]

You got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not gonna give you all this to hit.

[Ocho]

Hey, and if you don't run behind your past, you're gonna get yourself hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You sure will. They'll saw your ass in half. Hey, then you will be running behind your pants because your ass be doubled up.

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