Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, & Matthew Judon react to Aaron Rodgers signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers!

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Episode Summary
Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, & Matthew Judon React to Aaron Rodgers Signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers!
Release Date: June 8, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Lester Holt, Tom Brokaw
Guest: Matthew Judon, Free Agent NFL Player

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

[02:42] Shannon Sharpe opens the episode by introducing himself, co-host Chad "Ocho" Ochocinco Johnson, and their special guest, Matthew Judon. Judon, a seasoned NFL player with experience in the Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots, and Atlanta Falcons, is currently navigating free agency.

Aaron Rodgers Signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers

The primary focus of the episode centers around the major NFL news: Aaron Rodgers signing a one-year deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

[22:34] Shannon Sharpe: "The Steelers have found their starting quarterback—Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper on a one-year deal."

Key Points Discussed:

• Contract Details: Rodgers signed a one-year contract worth $13.65 million, including $10 million guaranteed and incentives that could bring the total to $19.5 million.

  [22:34] Shannon Sharpe: "The deals include 10 million guaranteed and with incentives can reach 19.5 million."

• Expectations from Rodgers: The hosts delve into what Rodgers brings to the Steelers, highlighting his potential to elevate the team's performance.

  [23:04] Lester Holt: "He gives the Steelers hope. He gives the Steelers organization. He gives the Steelers fans. He gives him hope."

• Team’s Offensive and Defensive Dynamics: The conversation touches on the Steelers' offensive capabilities and their historically strong defense, questioning whether Rodgers can revitalize the offense to complement their defensive prowess.

  [23:54] Shannon Sharpe: "When you think Steelers, you think hard-hitting defense... How do you balance that with an explosive offense?"

Analysis of Steelers’ Management and Coaching

The discussion transitions into an analysis of the Steelers' long-standing coaching philosophy under Mike Tomlin and the organization's handling of quarterback acquisitions.

[29:11] Lester Holt: "Theirs."

[30:24] Shannon Sharpe: "He never gonna have a losing season. So who drafting those players, the dream or Mike Tomlin?"

Insights Provided:

• Mike Tomlin’s Influence: Despite Tomlin’s 19-year tenure and consistent performance, the Steelers’ management decisions, particularly regarding quarterback drafts, are critiqued for their lack of foresight.

  [30:43] Shannon Sharpe: "How long has GM been there? Not before. Not as long as Mike Tomlin has."

• Relationship with Franchise Quarterbacks: The episode explores the dynamics between Tomlin and former quarterbacks like Ben Roethlisberger, emphasizing the lack of consistency in drafting new talent to replace aging quarterbacks.

  [34:25] Shannon Sharpe: "They could have moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They didn't. That's why the calling was above Mike Tomlinson's pay grade."

Team Culture Across Different Franchises

[11:18] Tom Brokaw: "I think I was blessed to play with three different great coaches, and they all different in their own ways."

Matthew Judon shares his experiences playing for the Ravens, Patriots, and Falcons, highlighting the distinct team cultures and how they shaped his professional growth.

Key Takeaways:

• Ravens: Emphasis on veteran relationships and strong defensive strategies.

• Patriots: Learnings from Bill Belichick’s rigorous and detail-oriented approach.

• Falcons: Experience in a more dynamic and offense-focused environment.

Matthew Judon's Personal Journey

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Matthew Judon's personal story, focusing on his time serving a 12.5-year federal sentence and his subsequent reintegration into life post-incarceration.

[52:14] Matthew Judon: "Freedom of speech... I had to go through court and fight to be able to rap again."

Key Discussions:

• Incarceration Experience: Judon details the challenges he faced while incarcerated, including a gag order that restricted his ability to create and monetize rap music.

  [56:19] Shannon Sharpe: "How did that make you feel? Because nobody wants to see a family member like this."

• Rehabilitation and Growth: He discusses how prison became a transformative period, leading him to focus on personal development through reading, writing, and reflecting on his past mistakes.

  [57:03] Matthew Judon: "Jail saved my life... I could be honest with myself about that."

• Creative Ventures: Judon shares his ventures into music, including his upcoming album "Freedom of Speech," a documentary, and an autobiography aimed at inspiring others to learn from his experiences.

  [63:45] Matthew Judon: "I'm getting it raw... trying to let people know they don't have to be like me, be better than me."

Reflections on Mentorship and NFL Dynamics

The hosts and Judon reflect on the role of mentorship in the NFL, the pressures on veteran players, and the impact of management decisions on team performance.

[30:07] Shannon Sharpe: "You give Mike all that. You give all that Mike credit. So he never gonna have him in a losing situation."

[48:28] Shannon Sharpe: "The thing is, he needs to get ahead of steam. He ain't one of them quick back to the jump stop like Saquon, Jameer Gibbs."

Insights Provided:

• Mentorship Challenges: Judon emphasizes the difficulty of mentoring younger players when facing the reality of potential job replacements.

  [48:20] Shannon Sharpe: "Tell the man how to be man coverage. Tell the man how to sit down in the zone."

• Legacy and Expectations: The conversation underscores the high standards associated with the Steelers' legacy and the expectations placed on both players and coaches to maintain championship-level performance.

Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode concludes, the hosts express their support for Matthew Judon’s endeavors and reflect on the broader implications of NFL management strategies.

[77:48] Shannon Sharpe: "BG's first is his first album since being out. He got a documentary, says he got a novel... he ain't going back."

[79:08] Shannon Sharpe: "I pay. Once I pay my debt to society, I'm clear."

Concluding Insights:

• Second Chances: The episode highlights the importance of second chances and personal transformation, both within the NFL and in broader societal contexts.

• Future Outlook: The hosts and Judon discuss the potential future scenarios for the Steelers with Aaron Rodgers and the evolving landscape of mentorship and team dynamics in the NFL.

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [22:34]: "The deals include 10 million guaranteed and with incentives can reach 19.5 million."

• Lester Holt [23:04]: "He gives the Steelers hope. He gives the Steelers organization. He gives the Steelers fans. He gives him hope."

• Matthew Judon [52:14]: "Freedom of speech... I had to go through court and fight to be able to rap again."

• Shannon Sharpe [56:19]: "How did that make you feel? Because nobody wants to see a family member like this."

• Matthew Judon [57:03]: "Jail saved my life... I could be honest with myself about that."

• Shannon Sharpe [30:07]: "You give Mike all that. You give all that Mike credit. So he never gonna have him in a losing situation."

• Matthew Judon [63:45]: "I'm getting it raw... trying to let people know they don't have to be like me, be better than me."

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers an in-depth exploration of a pivotal moment in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers joining the Pittsburgh Steelers, coupled with a heartfelt personal journey of Matthew Judon overcoming significant life challenges. The hosts provide insightful analysis on team dynamics, management decisions, and the importance of mentorship, while Judon's story emphasizes resilience and the potential for personal growth following adversity. The conversation encapsulates the intersection of sports, personal development, and the ever-evolving landscape of professional football.

Transcript

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[Matthew Judon]

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[Matthew Judon]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me, I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own, Bingo's Ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowler All Pro, that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And we have a very special guest joining us tonight from Grand Valley State, four time Pro Bowl, Pro Bowler, Baltimore Raven, New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcons. He's currently a free agent, Matthew Judon. Matt, thank you for joining us. Bro, we'll get to you in just a second.

[Tom Brokaw]

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[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, well, shoot. If I came to Cincinnati, man, what they gonna do? They gotta, they gotta get a trey, right? Don't they?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Hey, yeah, so. But right now I'm, I'm chilling. You know how to, you know how the league goes. Not for long. You know, I have fun. And so right now I'm just chilling. So if I, if I get a call, I'm working out, I'm doing everything I need to do to be in shape, ready for a camp or a call any day. But, you know, it. A lot, a lot of stuff not up to me, so I'm doing what I can do.

[Lester Holt]

Well, listen, you got it. Oh, no, I'm gonna say, listen, I didn't watch you over the years. I know what you could do. The product on itself, your resume speaks for itself. You're going to get that call most of the time. When you wear. At this point in your career and you're waiting, do you have a preferred destination or would you, Would you, would you just want to play football or do you, Would you rather go to a contender?

[Tom Brokaw]

After last year? I just want to play football, you know, I just want to. Want to just get back out there and be able to be me, do me. So, you know, keep, keep going forward, rushing the passer, things like that. But, you know, everybody always got a preferred destination. When you kind of get at this stage in your life, you know, you want to win games, you don't want to just go out there to compete. You know, I'm not really building a resume no more. I'm trying to win the championship. I want to, I want to compete at the highest level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think about it, Matthew, like you said, you're waiting for that call, but what is that? How long are you willing to wait? Are you willing to go a couple of games a week, a month into the season before you receive that call? Somebody get injured? Obviously, if somebody gets dinged or nicked in training camp, that call might come sooner than later. But how long are you willing to wait for that call?

[Tom Brokaw]

You know, you, you, you just wait. You know how I'm not retired? I don't feel like I'm retired anytime soon. So right now I'm just waiting. So if it's, if it's, you know, week 15, week 16 of the season, you know, I'll be ready. I'm always gonna work out. You know, I'm always gonna, I'll find me something to do different every year. So right now I'm, I'm big into pilates. And then I got a road bike that I'll be riding. So I'm never going to be not in shape. But you know how it is with football. You know, you got football shape and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Being the shape of something entirely different.

[Tom Brokaw]

You gotta get your body conditioned to take a hit, get back up the bruising. So, you know, I won't never get that condition. You only can get it in football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

I mean, whenever. Whenever they call, I'm gonna be ready. Whenever.

[Lester Holt]

Hey, you know, one of the things that I always like and I always find interesting is asking players that are not toward the end of their career, but. But obviously in situations like this where you're actually waiting on the call to come and be. Do you have any other passions or hobbies that you're really enthusiastic about that. If. I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if that call doesn't come, you know, finally I can go into that second stage of life and focus on whatever said hobby or dream it is. Viewers outside of.

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, you know, I really, like I said, I really stay working out kind of mostly through my whole career. And. And I never wanted to be gone for too long because I'd be like. I'm always thinking, like, I gotta be ready in shape. But if I don't. If I don't get that call and, you know, it ain't. It ain't for me. It's not renting the cars. I'm gonna travel. I'm getting up out the. I'm getting up out the US I'm going to. I'm going to see some different things. Earlier this summer, I went to South Africa.

[Lester Holt]

Okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

How was that, man? It was nice. It was beautiful. And, you know, I'm a. I'm into nature and heights, so we hiked. Me and one of my best friends from high school, we hiked Tabletop Mountain. And so, you know, I'm gonna start doing that. And I'm gonna start doing that. Yeah. And then did you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you go on a safari? Did you go to the Virunga Mountains? I mean, did you do anything, like, see anything, See the big five?

[Tom Brokaw]

So. So I got a. I got a video.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

And the safari man was kind of. He was playing, but I got a video, and he talking about the elephants as they walking. Because we was on a little reserve where they keep the elephants enclosed, but they free is huge. And the elephant walking right towards me. I'm talking about if this man don't move the vehicle, I'm about to get stepped on. And so we just. We just right there. And he not with the vehicle off. He not moving the vehicle. And at the last minute, like, he turned it on and moved. But I got a V. I got a video. Like, I had to get up out of there. Like, I'm running from an elephant. I'm about to get stepped on. But, you know, just. Just seeing. Just seeing that type of stuff. And it's up close in person. Yeah, man. Like, the world beautiful is the nature, all that stuff. And so I. I like to do that more. And then y' all got four kids, so just traveling with them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. To see. To see those animals in their natural habitat, not in an enclosure like at the zoo, but to see them in their natural habitat and to see how they interact with the other animals. Obviously, it's a prey. It's a prey and predator environment. It's all about survival. That's all it's about on the Serengeti.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this, man. You have a very. Look, you started out with the Ravens, then you go to the Patriots, and then you go to Atlanta. If you don't mind, share. Because, I mean, not a whole lot of people get an opportunity to play for the Ravens, you know, play for Ravens and the Patriots. And we know how, you know, a lot of times it came down in the playoffs, they kicked the Patriots out of the playoff, Patriots kicked the Ravens out of the playoff, and then you end up in Atlanta. Can you give a little insight to the differences in the culture and what's going on, like, say, from Baltimore to New England and then Atlanta when you had Raheem?

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, I think. I think I was blessed to play with, like, three different great coaches, and they all different in their own ways. And I think the more lax and down earth coach was Rock. And, you know, I felt like I was able to talk to him and connect with him on a different level because I'm a veteran in this and kind of just how we talk and how we talk as men, and so that was different. But going to the Patriots locker room and playing alongside Devin and Hightower and, you know, Calvin and Jamie Collins and just people like that, you know, I didn't get the time. So I was in the post Tom Brady era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

But you see how those kind of players that played with him or played in that regime, how they work ethic was different than so many other people. And not saying that I ain't played with, like, good players at Baltimore, but just those type of players. I learned a lot a lot from them. And then I also learned a lot from, like, Matt Slater. I don't know if y' all ever.

[Lester Holt]

Man, if Slate was there when I.

[Tom Brokaw]

Was there, man, slave Slate been there. He. He a cornerstone of that franchise and people like that and how. How they prepare, how they work and how they keep their bodies right.

[Matthew Judon]

They.

[Tom Brokaw]

They there from almost before the sunrise until the sun set. And. And then. And then when you see them with their families, and so it was just amazing to see something like that.

[Matthew Judon]

And.

[Tom Brokaw]

And I know that the younger players that came through there, they learned so much from Bill, but they learned so much more from the culture of the locker room and how the locker room was ran and how. And how, like, the. Bill didn't have to keep the ship tight because everybody else in front of you was. And. But then. And then playing with. Under Bill Belichick, it's like, you know, he kept. He kept young. He kept young coaches around him because he know. I think he knew that he wasn't never going to connect with the players like the younger coaches, but. But him just as, like, getting in front of the meeting and just kind of his mannerisms and, you know, his kind of jokes and. And how he was and his knowledge of. I mean, I think. I think he know everything about everything. Like you. You ask. You ask him. I mean, he might know. He. He know a little more about the game than we do. Like the girls than we do. He pulling. He pulling whatever he wants. So. So. So Bill, like. Like he. He know everything about everything. And he. And on Monday, he gonna tell you how the game go. He. How the. How the game gonna go for Sunday, and then he gonna. He gonna strip it out all week and then. And then, you know, after win lose a draw, he gonna have the same mentality. So I really respected that from him. And then the Ravens, like I was a baby. I was. You know, I got. I got trained. I got trained by Terrell Suds, you know. You know, I. I got to. I got to play with Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Crabtree, you know, some guys that, you know, I. I just watched growing up, watch getting into the game. I got the. I got to play with ladarius Webb, and then I still. I still got friends, like, like true, genuine friends. We talk every day from. From that team. And so. So it. It was just different. It was just different. It's different. Different stages of my career. You know, at one point in time, you know, I never made plays in the NFL. Then one point, then at the next, the next stage you know. You know, they, like, I have to make plays. I'm getting paid. I got paid to make plays. And then. Then I went through a trading period. I got traded. You know, they traded me on my birthday, too. Like, kind of crazy, but. Yeah, so. But got traded. And then coming into a locker room, trying to. Trying to see, like, how you fit in where they see you, as in the last year of my contract. So you like. He, like, is y' all gonna keep me around, pay me? But, you know, it. It was just different parts of the locker room. And then I. I think I got to play, like, with one of the greatest quarterbacks that's ever gonna. I'm gonna play Lamar. Like, I never. I never say nothing bad about eight. Like. Like, anytime I speak about him, it's gonna be highly. And I think he know that, but when it comes down to it, I think he gonna be one of the best to ever do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are you. Do you wish the situation had played out differently, the way the situation ended in New England? Do you look back and said, you could have done something differently, handled it differently? They could have handled it differently? What would you. If you could go back now, knowing what you know now, what would you like to re. What would you like to redo? What would the redo be? What would the do over.

[Matthew Judon]

Be?

[Tom Brokaw]

I. You know, I know I ain't really no big redo person, but I do play stuff back in my mind, though. Like, you know, like. Like, do I. Do I have to say this? Like it was. Was it necessary? But I feel like in the moment, man, we human. Like, if somebody. If somebody not treating you like that, like, it ain't never gonna go. It ain't never gonna go over well with me. Like, I. I gotta say something. I gotta say something. So that's just me. But I would have made sure I never left New England. I would have made sure I never left Boston. The connections in Boston, like, I don't think it's. I don't think there's no other place. Like, you know, from the Bruins to the Celtics to the Reds. Like.

[Matthew Judon]

Like.

[Tom Brokaw]

Like I know players from each team, you know, and. And we cordial. It's not like no big ups or nothing.

[Matthew Judon]

And.

[Tom Brokaw]

And we cordial. And just from the people down on Newberry street to the restaurants, like, when you. When you down there and you're. You in it, like.

[Matthew Judon]

You. You.

[Tom Brokaw]

You the musician, you the. You the. You know, the. The.

[Matthew Judon]

The man.

[Tom Brokaw]

The man in high school, that's how I feel. Like, when you in Boston, you playing well and you're a part of New England. Like when you're a part of that, like it's not nowhere you can't go that you would feel like, oh, I ain't supposed to be here. Everything welcome, everything open. So I would have made sure I never left the building.

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[Lester Holt]

Hey listen, he what he gives the Steelers. He gives the Steelers hope. He give the Steelers organization. He give the Steelers fans. He gives him hope. You look at the AFC north is Dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is going to look like, but Flacco obviously has.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Has inside track to start.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, inside track because he's been the AFC north before, being in Baltimore and having success in Cleveland when he came in the start for Deshaun Watson when he got hurt. So Aaron Rodgers is better than everything that the Steelers have outside of him at the quarterback position. And that's no disrespect to them. That's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever else they have there they have at the helm. But Aaron Rodgers, if he can show glimpses, just glimpses of what he was once in the past, I think they would be okay. They have enough pizzas around them, obviously. DK Metcalf. I'm not sure who the running back is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got Austin, Austin iii.

[Lester Holt]

Austin iii and I'm not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they got Robert Woods.

[Lester Holt]

Oh, and Robert woods is there. He has, he has a nice supporting cast around him and you need the supporting cast to be on point to make his job easier because Aaron Rodgers is not in a position again to elevate those around him. He going to need the help from those he's surrounded by.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you think, Judon, what you think about this deal? You like, you like it?

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh well, I, I think, I think the Steelers are like they, they're, they get hurt from the greatness of Mike Tom. Mike Tom always going to have them in contention so they can't go and farm a quarterback from the draft. So I think this, they, I think this, they best pick like there's nobody else out there. Listen, there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade. But nobody really traded no good quarterback like that. And so if Aaron Rodgers can come in and complete passes and be good in the locker room and do enough, they gonna be in the playoffs again. Because just how Mike Thomas had that physical defense. Yeah, you're always gonna have a great pass rush with, with Cam and TJ like. So it's going, it's going to be hard for them to be bad. They just can't mess it up. On offense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight. He wore the same number in New York after wearing 12. In Green Bay, Terry Bradshaw wore number 12. And though it's not officially retired, the team doesn't typically give out that number. I think Joe Green 75. I think Ernie Stoutner 70. I think, though I think it's like three numbers that are officially, officially retired. But I don't think they've given out like 32, whatever the number is. Another number. I don't think they've given out 58, 47 like Mel Blunt. But there are certain, you know, obviously from that still Curtain era in which they won four super bowl in six years. Some of those guys have numbers. And even though they're not officially retired, no one, I don't think has worn those numbers since. But I know, I think Joe Green. Yep. Franco Harris. Okay. Ernie Stoutner, D tackle. His numbers retired. 70. Joe Green, 75. Franco Harris, 32. Numbers not officially retired but not reissued. Terry Bradshaw's 12, Troy Palomalu, 43. Jack Lambert's 58. Jack Ham, 59. Dermani Dawson, 63. And number 86, Hines Ward. Well, 86 retired is not retired, but they haven't reissued it to anyone since Heinz, you know.

[Lester Holt]

You know, also, you know, Aaron wore eight at, at. @ New York, but, you know, he was eight at Cal, too. Yeah, Cal. He was eight. So hopefully he can get some of that, some of that, that, that Cal Berkeley Magic back in the system.

[Tom Brokaw]

Right.

[Lester Holt]

Know, to help those Steelers out. Because listen, if.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If that's a very tough division at the top.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got the Ravens and Cincinnati. Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah. If he doesn't play well. If he doesn't play well. You know, players get coaches fired now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

And Tomlin could be on the hot seat for making. Obviously he had. He had him wait. He had the whole organization waiting. He's coming and obviously he signed because they got minicamp coming up very soon, mandatory minicamp, and he wants to be a part of that, which is also a good thing. That's a good sign. That lets. That lets me know that he's buying in as opposed to what he did last season out there in New York. So that's a good thing. But I think if they have a bad season.

[Tom Brokaw]

You think Mike Tomlin on high seat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Excuse me? Hell no. He just signed. He just signed an extension. What that mean?

[Tom Brokaw]

That don't matter.

[Lester Holt]

What that mean?

[Tom Brokaw]

They pay that all every year.

[Lester Holt]

Listen, they was already talking about it last year, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Steelers haven't fired a coach since 69. I was born in 68. I'm about to be 57. So. They haven't fired a coach in 56 years. And you just said, Judon, the man hadn't had a losing season.

[Matthew Judon]

He.

[Tom Brokaw]

He never gonna have a losing season.

[Matthew Judon]

He.

[Tom Brokaw]

He trained him so well. They play so hard for Mike Thomas. He never gonna have a losing season.

[Lester Holt]

That. That's enough. That's enough. Just having, just having. Just, just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I don't think it's enough because he the one that said the standard is the standard. Well, if the standard is getting to and competing for Super Bowl. They hadn't competed for a Super bowl in a long time. They had. Nobody thought even though they make the playoffs, Otis, man, the Steelers are a threat. When was the last time that someone thought the Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs?

[Lester Holt]

But when they had Palomalu, when they had Ike Taylor, man, Palomalu retired.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He in the hall of Fame. So he had to wait at least five years to get into the hall. So we're talking about at least at the bare minimum five.

[Lester Holt]

Well, you. You asked when that's. That's ass win. When they had way. When their identity was their defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There hadn't been a serious threat since then.

[Tom Brokaw]

But do you mean did I mean change? Did that mean change? We ain't. We ain't been a serious that or. Or we have been so consistent that we just haven't got the right person. And they haven't. They haven't had a quarterback that's theirs since being here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whose fault is that?

[Lester Holt]

Theirs.

[Tom Brokaw]

Consistency.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had an opportunity they could have when they had been Roethlisberger and they thought Brandon was going to pay play like Tom Brady, you know he wasn't because he'd been involved in too many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you do? Is that what good teams do? What? What did Kansas City do? Draft a quarterback. And they still had one on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had Joe Flacco? You were there. They drafted a quarterback. You see what good team. What did Green Bay do? Draft the quarterback. What did Green Bay do with Aaron Rogers? Draft the quarterback. You see what everybody does. You don't wait. If you wait till your car break down side of the road, it's too late. You already stranded.

[Tom Brokaw]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Tom Brokaw]

But is that Mike fault?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

He making a deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think Mike got no say.

[Tom Brokaw]

If he say get us a quarterback. Get us a quarterback. Please get us a quarterback. And they don't get us a quarterback, How y' all gonna get mad at me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You give Mike all that. You give all that Mike credit. So he never gonna have. He never gonna have him in a losing situation. So who drafting those players, the dream or Mike Tomblin?

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, I mean we don't know what go on in a war room, but you can't just say, well, it's Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin will want a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Ocho. Matthew, you mean to tell me a man that's been there damn near 20 years, he ain't got no say?

[Tom Brokaw]

How long has GM been there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not before. Not as long as Mike Tomlin have they.

[Tom Brokaw]

I ain't never heard of still and find no GM or getting a new gm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what. You ever heard of them firing a coach? Exactly. So my thing is, when you there that long, you have some say. You have some say on free. The 53. You have some say in free agency. And you at night. How long Mike Tomlin been there? Coach Kyle retired in 2000. They won the Super bowl in five, he came back in six, so he retired in seven. He been there 19 years.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You not. There's no coach that's been anywhere for 19 years that does not have safe. I refuse to believe that.

[Tom Brokaw]

I don't know who they.

[Lester Holt]

Hold on, hold on. I don't even think it's about say. I'm thinking about the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper management with those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had a great relationship with Mike Tomlin, too.

[Lester Holt]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because if Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin was a head coach, he's been in the NFL a very long time. Yes. Mike knows at some point I'm going to have to find your successor. At some point. You look at, you look at the landscape of the league. Those that didn't do it. Look what's happening now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ta da. The Steelers didn't do it.

[Lester Holt]

That's why. That's why I think that the calling was above Mike Tomlinson's pay grade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I disagree.

[Tom Brokaw]

Your starting quarterback, your franchise quarterback is getting paid more than the coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

I guarantee dumb, dumb relationships might be a little stronger than the. Even though the coach been there longer, he More 10, I think. Well, I mean, we paying this dude only 17 million a year. We paying this dude 50.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship. He all. He's always had a very strong relationship with his star players. We know that based on the history. We know that Ben and when AB was there and a lot of these other guys, we know how he feels about his great players. But in order to keep this from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge, if you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how the hell do you get to the other side? I gave you examples. Kansas City. Alex Smith was a Pro bowl quarterback. What did they do? Matt they won a Super Bowl.

[Matthew Judon]

But.

[Tom Brokaw]

But when you. But when you see that. When you see that, they went and got. Was Buddy from Pitt. They went and got Kenny Pickett.

[Lester Holt]

Kenny Pickett, man, stop playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. They got fans picketing out front. No, no, we won't go.

[Tom Brokaw]

Hell, we gotta put that on somebody. We gotta. We gotta put that on somebody. When. When somebody don't turn out in the draft, how you think? They are not saying he's a bad player. They didn't like him for the system, and they didn't like what he was doing, so they had to move on. Do you put that on the coach, or do you put that on the person that selects and pays the players?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, is that I believe there are. There are drafts that they had better quarterback options. And that's the thing. You could sit back and say, you know what? Next year, this quarterback is good, but you have to move. What did the Green Bay do? Jordan. What did they do with Jordan Love? How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers? And they re. And after they signed him, they gave him a big deal.

[Lester Holt]

Hold on. Why they gave him a big deal? He was pissed off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. And just like Brett Favre was pissed off when they did what drafted Aaron Rodgers.

[Tom Brokaw]

Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers seen the situation play out. He already knew what was in the card, so he said, all right, y' all not gonna play me how y' all played Brett and just move on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't worry about one year. I gotta worry about the next 10, 15 years. So if you just worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck. All right.

[Tom Brokaw]

All right. In those 19 years, in those 19 years, I mean, what they. I think the only. The only player that would have failed that far to him, which is a bad pick, was Lamar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's not that. You fought. You move up Patrick Mahomes. They moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved. They moved up to get Jordan. Love, you don't have to stamp. See you looking at a philosopher. Let somebody fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody you move up to, go get them.

[Lester Holt]

And that's where what I said comes into play. Unk. Not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship with Ben Roethlisberger and management and GM and president was much stronger than that of whatever Mike Tomlin might have wanted. You think Mike Tomlin didn't want a quarterback when he realized, Ben, okay, you're not moving the same. Oh, Ben, you can't throw the same or the velocity on the ball is not the same. Mike Tomlin can see that stuff. Yeah, he didn't have the say so regardless of being the coach for 19 years to go and get who he wanted.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing. You still got. You maintain that great relationship. Now how you looking to fart? Because the Steelers. What's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers, we think of what? Ocho? Championship. Championship.

[Tom Brokaw]

No, the CACs. No, you think of defense. So you think of. You think of steel. You, Mike talent. That's his defense. They abandoned that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoever that when they got. When they got Ben Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Le'Veon Bale, they've been abandoned the defense. When they had the triple B's, they were throwing the ball. Ben Rothenberger got two 5,000 yard seasons. He's got four or 500 yard games. They've been abandoned that.

[Tom Brokaw]

No, back to that now. They just had. They had. They had an explosive offense for five, six years. They had like. They had explosive offense. They always had a good wide receiver. They always had a good wide receiver. Somebody go get the ball. Take the top off. They always gonna have that defense. When you think Steelers, you think hard hitting defense. You know, you know when you hear that hey Mama Rock. Yeah, you hear that? Don't you know that defense about to do something? You know that, you know that defense about to do something, you know it's going to be cold, rainy, wet when you go in there. The grass, grass ain't worth nothing but defense going to have to come to play. And so if you're going to beat the Steelers, you have to keep the ball. You have to know how to run the ball. And you have to eliminate explosive plays from their offense. That's all you gotta. That's how you beat the Steelers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When's the last time they've had explosive plays from the offense? Ben Roethlisberger's been gone. A.B. has been gone. Le'Veon Bell been gone. So when have you known the Steelers that have explosive plays?

[Tom Brokaw]

And that's why, that's why George Pickens left the building. George. George Pickens want to be. He want to. He want to dance. He want to. He want to be in the end zone. He want to. He want to do that. That's why George Pickens left the building. He said, I have. I need. I need to the limelight. I want. I want to see. I want to see how that feel. He want to be Jamar Chase. He wanted. He Seen. He seen what that looked like in the division, and he said, I can't get that here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Best of luck in free agency. Come back when you. When you get something penciled in. Come back and join us and let us know where you're going.

[Tom Brokaw]

All right? I got y' all. Appreciate it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate it, bro.

[Tom Brokaw]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My boy. Oh, Joe.

[Lester Holt]

Hey. Hey, y' all. Hey, before you start, like, like, real quick, real quick, I just want to say something to you. I'm gonna say it in code a little bit. You understand what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even.

[Lester Holt]

Even though it's Mike. Even though it's Mike, I don't think he has the pool. Even though he's the head coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback. Stay with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got. I get what you're saying, but he got more pull than you think.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, absolutely. Because he's been there so long, but with that centerpiece that been there that long, the relationship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's got. Had Bill Belichick pull. I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type pool, but he might have. He might be next in line when it come to pool.

[Lester Holt]

Right, right, right, right. I got you.

[Tom Brokaw]

I got you.

[Lester Holt]

We on the same page, cuz.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. They went out, they got Joe Flacco, who led them to a Super Bowl. What they gonna do? They trade back into the first round, give up next year's first round pick to get Lamar?

[Lester Holt]

Hey, you know you can see it, right? You know you see it when your player is declining. Yes, things are the same, especially at the quarterback position. You can see it. The funny thing about it is how much do players or how much are they self aware that they're declining? It starts slipping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard because, Oto, you don't want to believe it because you've been great for so long, you don't want to believe it.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so you tell. You lie to Ocho.

[Lester Holt]

Lie to yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You lie to yourself. You lie to yourself.

[Lester Holt]

Hey, boy, you turn that film on and be like, is that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, boy? I said, damn, he moving slow. I'm like, oh, that's me, man. Who run like they got on Tim's. Who running like they got Tim's on. On the field.

[Lester Holt]

Well, that camera, that camera, that eye in the sky will embarrass you.

[Matthew Judon]

Yes.

[Lester Holt]

Yes. It will embarrass you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Ocho. Adam Sandler to cast. Dick, we ain't got. I Mean, we ain't got what you call them. Oh, oh, you just wrote that in there. That wasn't it. You just wrote this, this tweet in there. Yeah. The Jordan Tuck. Yeah, Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter. Imagine moving on from George Pickens, thinking the locker room distraction, only to end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback.

[Lester Holt]

Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction. A different type of distraction. Now, obviously I think he's not going to cause any problem because his leash is short. Because if you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See his backups are his leash long.

[Lester Holt]

Hold on, listen. You mess things up in Pittsburgh, where's your next destination?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where's your next home?

[Lester Holt]

Okay, that's what I meant. You don't. You, you. You have the leverage. You don't have the leverage you once had. We were sought after. Were you one of the best in the league. You still living off that past resume? Which is why wanted and waited for you to sign this late before mandatory minicamp. Because they don't have any other options.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Lester Holt]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And at 20 and at 20, at year 21, I mean, this is gonna be his 21st season. How many more seasons do you think he really want to play? He want to subject himself, getting up, studying film. Studying film all day, money. Studying film all day Tuesday, watching film after practice on Wednesday, Thursday. You know how long you think Aaron Rodgers wants to do that?

[Lester Holt]

Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC north like, ain't no telling. Wait, he might be one and done after this season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my point. I mean, at 20, I mean, you take it. First of all, once you get to a certain number of years, you take it. I probably a quarterback. Other positions probably take it. Year 10. Quarterbacks probably take it at year 15, especially the way they protect them now. So he's gotten six years past year 15.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't like. Yeah. I don't think he's tried to eclipse Tom and try to play 24. You think you try to play 24 seasons.

[Lester Holt]

Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling because obviously they will continue to sign him to one year deals if things go well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I mean, it's a very ten friendly contract. I mean thirteen. Thirteen and a half million dollars with ten guarantees. Nothing but nothing.

[Lester Holt]

Nothing. That's nothing. Listen, I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well. I want them to do well. Except when they play the Bengals, right. I want DK Metcalf, I want Calvin Austin iii and I want Robert Moore to have Robert Woods. Robert, I'm Sorry, Robert Woods. They have phenomenal seasons like they can. I just. I just want to see them do well. For Mike, Tom and Sake Steeler fans has always been good to me. I love all of them. But when you play the Bengals, y' all get y' all ass.

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[Lester Holt]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Lester Holt]

And he had. He has the gift of gab. He understands the position that he's in. He's been afforded another opportunity to prove himself, which I think he will do. But in that situation, he has to say that. Does he really feel that way? Absolutely not. Hell, this motherfucker's here to take my goddamn job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's first round pick.

[Lester Holt]

Outside of my mouth, he's the first round pick. I know my leash is short. Yeah, he has to say that. Does he really feel that? Absolutely not. As a competitor, as a football player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing is, Ocho is. Look, it doesn't matter how long Russ came in in 2012. So this is year what, 14 for Russ, year 14 for us.

[Lester Holt]

Good years. Good years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he's like, man, you tried to speed up my process to get up out the league.

[Lester Holt]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what it really is.

[Lester Holt]

I meant mentors. Make sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You bet. You better.

[Lester Holt]

You better get it on your own. Hey, just think about. Just think about that. People in the chat. People in the chat that's listening. Think about somebody coming to your job that's brand new, and your boss telling you to train them to take your job. That's all it is. And we use the word mentor as, like, as if what you mean, mentor? Like, come on now. They make it sound like it's a good thing when it's really not a good thing. The person is there to replace you. And you telling me to train them to take my job. What are we talking about, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get a man some pointers. Ocho. Damn. Who Tell the man how to be man coverage. Tell the man how to sit down in the zone.

[Lester Holt]

Look, look, turn on the film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do exactly. You gotta talk to him. He said, man, hey, let me tell you what I do. This is what you do, Ocho. This is what I do. This is what I do. Nah, nah, nah.

[Lester Holt]

Because listen, we don't have the same DNA. We don't have the same DNA. We don't have the same quick twitch fibers. So even if I do tell you what to do, you're not gonna be able to do it because our style of play is different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just want you to tell. I just want to say, hey, I learned from Ocho.

[Lester Holt]

Nah, man, you better play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I learned from Ocho.

[Lester Holt]

And Listen, you better play Madden. Madden tell you how to get open on everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, remember how the guy everybody said, man, I went, trained with Kobe, I trained with Elijah won, You know, I just wanted, you know, I just want to say I trained with, I want to train with, I train with Bruce Lee.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I want to say I.

[Tom Brokaw]

Train with Bruce Lee.

[Matthew Judon]

Hey.

[Lester Holt]

And don't look nothing like you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Everybody's going to have their opinions. It's very, I mean, it all depends on the quarterback.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, you know, but that's the reason why, if you notice starting quarterbacks, they take the kneel down and everything. Yeah. They don't. And they do not. Injuries. They're going to fight through injury because they don't want you to get a look at the backup. The last thing I want you, man, did he look kind of good in practice today, Ocho, didn't it? Yeah, he threw with some conviction block. Nah, you can get them scout team refs, but he ain't getting no reps with them number one receivers. That ain't happening.

[Lester Holt]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I, I look, it's to each his own. It's each his own. I mean, everybody, there's no right, there's no wrong. As long as you're not, you know, hey, as long as you're not giving him no faulty information, we good. I don't really have. I don't really have no problem because it's on. Because I tried to help all the guys. I wanted to make sure if something were to happen to me, Ocho, they were prepared to go in there and perform at a high level. But, you know, I get it from the other stand. Cause like I said, I mentioned all those guys and, you know, Mike felt they were good enough to replace me. And then the same thing happened when I got to Baltimore. They drafted Todd Heat after we won the Super Bowl. I tried to, you know, do the best I could and mentor him. And it's like, well, yeah, he good now. So they released me and I had to go back to. I had to go back to Denver. So I don't know. It is what it is.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah. See how they do you? They play. They played you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was good. I was. Let's just say, Ocho, I wasn't disappointed to go back to Denver.

[Lester Holt]

I got you. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Joining us now from the, from the boot. Remember the hot boy, bg. What it do?

[Matthew Judon]

What's up? What's up? What's up, huh, Man, I'm doing great, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thanks for joining us.

[Matthew Judon]

Oh, man. Nah, man. I appreciate y' all having me, man. How you doing, man? What's up? Oh, show Bam. I ain't seen trash in Vegas in a minute, man. We ain't bumping to each other at the breakfast spot in a minute, man.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, yeah, at Grizz Cafe. I'm be down. I'm be down that way in a minute. I'm gonna be down that way in a minute. I'm gonna hit you, man. We go sit down and eat a little bit, man, talk, you know, politics a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tell us about. Tell us about this album that you just dropped. Freedom of speech. What. What's. What's in the name.

[Matthew Judon]

Freedom of speech, man? It just come from, you know, I just come home from doing a 12 and a half year federal sentence, right? So, you know, when I first came home, they had put a gag order on me, man, and pretty much silenced me and told me they didn't want me doing nothing pertaining to rap or entertainment that I could make money off of, you know what I mean? So I had to go through that and go back to court and fight it and go in front the judge and, you know what I mean? It just was a lot, man, that I had to go through just to be able to rap again, man. And I just felt like, you know, they was parading on my first Amendment, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They absolutely were. So you say you just came home, you did a 12 year bid going. You're in there. I mean, people know who you are. I'm thinking that you're in G Pop, you're not in solitary. And so now everybody knows who you are. What? Tell me what's in the mind. Cause think about it, B, you had it all, bro. I mean, you was on top of the world. And now a lot of the things that you probably took for granted, you like, damn.

[Matthew Judon]

Nah, that's a fact. It's many nights, man, that, you know, I was in that cell when the lights went out and shedded a tear, too. Like, man, how the fuck. How put myself in this situation, man? You know what I mean? But, you know, it is what it is, man. At the end of the day, you know, I understood. I wasn't no angel, right? And, you know, I had to take my lick and accept what came with it, man. They was trying to let me out in like, you know, two, three years, but they want to take some of my homies down with me, man. And, you know, I ain't grew up like that. That ain't in my heart, you know what I'M saying, so it was like I gotta stand on what's real and take it on the chin and you know what I mean? So, you know, I took my licking road, man.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah. Hey, listen, hey, listen. Being behind that wall, man, 11, 12 years, man, it can change anybody. I just got a young boy down here in Miami. He just came home from doing 17. I said, I asked him, you know, firstly when he got out, I said, well, what it feel like to do 17? He said, they gave me too much time to think.

[Matthew Judon]

Nah, that's a fact, man.

[Lester Holt]

He said, they gave me too much time to think. So for you doing that, 11, 12. What habits and how has your mindset changed differently now as opposed to how it was when you went in?

[Matthew Judon]

I mean, you know, when I. When I went in, I was, you know, young, wild, reckless, you know what I mean? So, you know, it gave me a chance to really, like. He was saying, like, appreciate, you know, this thing called hip hop, man, that changed my life, you know what I'm saying? Change the people lives around me, you know what I'm saying? Like, put my family first, put my career first, you know what I mean? Like, just focus, man. I'm a prime example when keeping it real goes wrong, man, you know what I'm saying? I had been made it out the hood, man, and not. I just don't surround myself with, you know, the same people I used to surround myself with, man. Because at the end of the day, you gotta understand when you outgrew my. You know what I'm saying?

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, and that, that's. That's a hard thing too. One of the things that you just said is everybody can't go on that journey. You know, you get out in the same people again, want you to be right back in the same place that you was before you went in there.

[Matthew Judon]

Man, listen, I came home, bro. Yeah, I'm talking about, listen, man, I came home and sing a song. Who's that? 12 when? Yeah, 13 years ago. Still doing the same shit I left him doing, man. You know what I'm saying? And that's when I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if B can hear us. Seem like his can you.

[Matthew Judon]

Oh, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did that.

[Matthew Judon]

Look, you know what you had went out on me, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They said, look, your physical body can be in prison as long as your mind isn't in prison. Had a homeboy says, look, is that when your mind is incarcerated, that's when it gets difficult. That's when you get guys doing crazy stuff and they succumb to those Four walls. How did you keep your mind outside although your physical body was inside?

[Matthew Judon]

I ain't even lying, bro. Like, it took me like four or five years, you know what I mean? Because when I first went in, I really couldn't see the end, you know what I mean? Like, that was a long stretch for somebody like me who was coming from the life I was coming from, the lifestyle I was coming from. And, you know, they slammed me behind the wall with all these lifers and, you know, dudes with 30, 40, 60, 70 years ain't never going home, you know what I mean? So them first couple of years, like, I had found myself getting institutionalized, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I started. I just started going to the law library, you know, started doing a lot of reading because I had put my pen down and everything, man. I wasn't even writing no more because I was like, man, it's old for me, man. Like the game. It's hard to remain relevant in this shit for a couple of months, like a year. So I'm like, man, after. I'm like, man, 12 years, man. I'm like, man, I ain't going. I ain't believe in the beginning that I'd be able to make a comeback, man. But, you know, being a part of a click that pretty much defined the era, you know what I'm saying? Which is that dollar sign, cash money, and all my homies, you know, remain relevant and still was doing anything, it made that transition a little bit more easier for me, you know what I mean? But yeah, man, I just, you know, the Internet has started. Boom, man. And you know it. Cause I ain't lying. When I went in, I was doing everything I wasn't supposed to do. Like, you know, I'm so Knives. I'm, you know, I'm. I'm just. I'm in there like, so it's like, you know what I mean? And you gotta get with the program, you know what I'm saying? And then by me being who I am, you know, you got to be a little bit more extra, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, niggas, really? Yeah, man. And I wasn't going for none of that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it took a minute for me to just kind of like, you know, calm down, man, and get my mind all the way right and get focused and. And realize like, man, I. I got another man. So I'm a, you know, I'm a tighten up, you know what I'M saying, stay focused, read these good books and you know what I mean? Get back out here and try to put my life back together, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, what was a typical. What was a typical day like for you? So you wait. What? You wake up at what time? You do what after that? You do what after that? Then what do you. What time are the lights out? What. What was a typical day like for bg?

[Matthew Judon]

Bam. I pop up five in the morning, Bam. Do my pop, like six. I'm. Make me a cup of coffee, you know what I'm saying? Watch seeing it. See what I'm saying?

[Tom Brokaw]

Watch seeing it with some of the old heads.

[Matthew Judon]

See what's going on on the news, you know what I'm saying? Then bam. Watch some first take, then catch the wreck. Y' all go work out, know what I'm saying? Come back in, you know, make something to eat, you know what I'm saying? Get on the phone, you know, jokes with a few bitches or something, you know what I'm saying? And then go back outside, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Go ahead. Go ahead, finish it out. Go ahead.

[Tom Brokaw]

Did it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cool. Did that. You said you head to the wreck yard. So you doing push ups, pull ups. Do they have a weight room? Can you lift weights? Or did they take. Have they taken all the weights out of the facilities?

[Matthew Judon]

You don't know. They active, man. They act. Was trying to start. They. Some of the resolve. It was pull ups, dips, push ups, burpees, you know what I'm saying? Like all calisthenics, man. You heard me. But that shit'll rip you up, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you said when you got back, you say, you know, you make your coffee, you do what you gotta do. You come back and make some food. You was making your. Oh, you was making. So you get stuff from the commissary. You probably get ramen noodles, you getting honey buns, you get a little damage. You getting certain things. So you actually cooking in your room?

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah. All that food that was cold, flooded with the cooking. So, you know, I got all the ingredients, everything he need, and we whipping up in the microwave. You know that microwave, you make that shit? You would think that shit came out the oven off the stove or some shit, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man. They put it down like that, bg.

[Matthew Judon]

Man, y' all got some Michelin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got Michelin star chefs in there, Ocho.

[Lester Holt]

Oh, yeah, they. They do.

[Matthew Judon]

Hey, I'm talking about five star chefs, you hear me?

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

I want to get back to you.

[Lester Holt]

I want to get Back to the music, right? I'm gonna get back to your music, right? When you talk about, you know, the album, the LP speech, right? And when you went to talk to the judge about your First Amendment, to be able to rap the way you want to despite, you know, the conviction is despite your past, were you able to win that so you can have your freedom to say and rap about what you want to expect, being that you lived and experienced it.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah. Cause that's. And that was their main thing. Like, you know, they was trying to control my content and tell me what I could and couldn't rap about, you know what I mean? And, you know, I just felt like, you know, that was wrong. I made a career of, you know, doing gangsta music. I ain't the first one to rap about it. I ain't gonna be the last one to rap about it, you know what I mean? NWE and 2 live CRE, you know, had this First Amendment fight 30 years ago, you know what I mean? So I was looking at it from that point of view. But the judge, she ordered me to. Before I make any raps or songs available to the public, I have to turn them over to my PO so my PO could put them on the record. But they don't have to approve it or nothing. But yeah, they definitely listening though. They be listening, man. That's why I be trying to tell these youngsters, man, be mindful, man, you heard me. Because them people listening, man, and they'll take them raps and turn them against you, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Let me ask you this. Tell the people how they can find your documentary. Because you did a documentary about your life on the outside before it started inside and now you're back out again. How can people find your documentary.

[Matthew Judon]

On my feast? The documentary, know what I'm saying? Just me, you know, basically know that I had to date back and they called that a violation of my probation, you know what I mean? Saying that, you know, they, like I say, saying they didn't want me throwing nothing pertaining to rap or entertainment that I could make money off of. And I'm.

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[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, it's hard to get hired if you have. If you have a resident anyway.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now people don't want to hire you. You telling me what I can and can't do? I ain't got no choice. Now you're telling me, so what am I supposed to do?

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, I mean, that's how it is. I mean, obviously, once you're a part of the system and you leave that system, the system still does everything they can to control you, despite still holding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whatever you did over your head. I paid my debt to society. Hit you on your video. We can hear you, bg, but we can't see you. Okay. Yeah, so that's what I don't get, Ocho. I mean, bro, I pay. Once I pay my debt to society, I'm clear.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, you supposed. Well, you're supposed. You're supposed to be clear. Now you're clear. Depending on who you are, you know how they operate. You know how that. You know how they operate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Lester Holt]

They move by a different set of rules and they' some people that play by a completely different set of rules and I, you know, you know what I'm talking about. So for sure, other than that, man, listen, the fact that when you do come out, you try to do the best you can with whatever record you have and hoping that you can get that second chance and grace in whatever it is that you do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm a football player, Ocho.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And let's just say I have a slip up and I do something and I get sent away when I get out. And I'm saying I'm 20, I'm 25, I'm 26. Right, but now you can't play no football. Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

Oh, there's a small example, Mr. Ruggs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got BG back. Okay, BG, I'm gonna start back over. Tell us about the documentary. Where can they find it? And what is, what, what is the documentary?

[Matthew Judon]

What does it entail, man, the documentaries on YouTube? It's on my YouTube channel. And you know, it's basically really walking you through everything that I had went through, what led up to my incarceration, you know, what led up to me being silenced, me going back and forth to court, and really just, you know, me telling my story, man. Cause it's a generation of motherfuckers that don't even know who I am. I feel like I'm reintroducing myself to the world, you know what I'm saying? Because I was gone for so long, I got my core solid fan base that grew up with a motherfucker. But it's like I'm just, you know what I'm saying, trying to introduce myself to, you know, a whole different demographic, you know what I mean? And these, you know what I'm saying? These 18 to 28 year olds and you know what I'm saying? So I'm just getting it to them raw, man, basically, you know, trying to let, don't, don't let them know they ain't got to be like me, man, be better than me, man, you know what I'm saying? Learn from my mistakes, man, you know what I'm saying? I've been there, done that. I mean, sometimes you gotta go through it yourself, you know what I'm saying, motherfucker, don't be more head. But that's still on me, you know what I mean? I ain't gonna tell you, but.

[Tom Brokaw]

Right.

[Lester Holt]

Hey, B. What's B. What you think about the state of hip hop right now, man? What's your thought about the state of hip hop right now, boss man?

[Matthew Judon]

Oh, man, I mean, you know, I'm a hip hop fan, man, and a hip hop head, man, so you know it, man. It's definitely different, you know what I mean? Like, but I don't want to sound like the old head, you know what I'm saying? Be hating and all this and all that, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, it's really, really like, I wish you not come up in an era where originality and authenticity, you know, created longevity, you know what I'm saying? And I don't be getting a lot of that. You heard me? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like everybody, you know, a lot of dudes be sounding the same, you know what I'm saying? And what worked for him might not work for me. Like, what worked for me ain't gonna work for you. You know what I mean? So I should just be wanting to hit, get a little bit more originality, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you heard. Have you heard Weezy's new song, the new album, the Carter Six?

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm riding to it now. Well, I listened to it one time. I'm giving it a second go through right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you. Let me ask you this. Give me your top five rappers, and they can be all New Orleans based. But if you. If somebody say, you know what? But, bg, give me your top five past the present, they can be all past, they can be all present, they can be dead, they can be alive. I just want to know who you. Who you think are the best five.

[Matthew Judon]

Tupac, Scarface. Tupac, Scarface, Lil Wayne, Soldier Slim, and. And me.

[Lester Holt]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, bg, you know, listen, we talk about that. Talk about that Lil Wayne, right? Listen, that song, Maria with Wyclef and Andrea Pacella.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lester Holt]

And the beat that. The beat that Mannie Fresh made for being myself. Man, listen, man, that's.

[Matthew Judon]

That's. Hey, I ain't gonna lie, though. That. That money, that one he got with big extra plug, though, man, I'm stuck on that one right quick. Yeah, I'm stuck on that one right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I said, I gotta listen to. Cause you know Wayne, you know, his word play so vicious, you know what I'm saying? That's gonna be over your head. It's gonna take me two, three times to listen to it.

[Tom Brokaw]

For the.

[Matthew Judon]

Really catchy, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you gotta. I gotta. I got a record on this deluxe album that I'm about to drop for freedom of speech with me, Lil Wayne and Busta Rhymes, man, that. That. That shit gonna be. Yeah, it's. It's. It's one of the ones. It's. It's one of them ones. But, yeah, now I'm on that six right now.

[Tom Brokaw]

Like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who you got winning the finals? You watching you, you. You up on. You up on Sports.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm putting my money on okc, man. They blew me up the other night, you know what I'm saying? I should have took ended with the points, but I thought OKC was gonna stand on business. But I'm still riding with okc, man. I ain't gonna wear the white flag yet.

[Lester Holt]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got G. You sure you show you my okc? Cause I got the pace. Are you trying to bet a little something?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I.

[Matthew Judon]

Man, listen. Hey, I ain't got that Ocho money. It could be a little friendly bit.

[Tom Brokaw]

You hear me?

[Lester Holt]

Little friendly, $100. Little friendly hundred dollars.

[Matthew Judon]

I say that we locked in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, B.G. he don't pay, he owe me 5,900 right now. He don't pay, he Owe me 5,900 right now.

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, yeah. Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. When you. When you were inside, did you write it? Did you write anything when you was inside?

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, man, I got a couple of movies that I'm about to. I'm about to put out, man. You know what I'm saying? I got an urban novel I started on my autobiography. Yeah, man, I was. Yeah, yeah, I did a. I did, yeah. I mean, I was going dope with a decade, man.

[Tom Brokaw]

You know what I'm saying?

[Matthew Judon]

So, yeah, man, I. I did a lot of. Right, man. I got a lot of material, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. Had you not been sat down for a period of time, would you have taken time to do what you did if you were on the outside? Nah.

[Matthew Judon]

I mean, jail saved my life, bro. Just to be honest with you, man. You heard me? You know what I'm saying? Like, if I wouldn't have went to jail, I probably be dead or in jail with a longer sentence. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, I don't think I needed that much. You know what I mean? Like, I think. You know what I'm saying, like, I probably could have learned my lesson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They could have gave you a nick, and you could have been home in a nick.

[Matthew Judon]

You feel like I probably would have learned my lesson in about five, six, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, like. But yeah, man, it saved my life. I could be honest with myself about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the boy put two pennies on the dime to go and pull that.

[Matthew Judon]

Nah, for real, for real, for real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So your family. I obviously had to take a toll on your family because nobody wants to see a family member. How did that make you feel? Because you Know the family come see you, but, damn, y' all gotta see me like this, behind this light, like I'm in the zoo. And then I know it's tough on them when they leave. And I know it's tough on you when they leave.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, it was hard, man. Like, you know, I left the streets. Like, my oldest son was 11 years old, you know what I'm saying? My daughter was three, you know what I'm saying? My other son was five. I come home, my daughter graduating high school, my other son in college, my other son, you know what I'm saying? Like, I come home, the whole man with the beard, like, talking to me, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm talking about. It's, man, like. But, you know, it's like I had to get the norm all over again, you know, even though they walked that bed down with me, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, we chose through visit and through the phone, you know, through mail and all that. But, yeah, it definitely wasn't easy, man, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, it grow you up. It grow you up. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather them see me, you know what I'm saying, in jail and, you know, have to come visit me in the graveyard. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I totally agree. I totally agree. I totally get that. So, man, glad to have you home. Best of luck on the documentary, guys. Go check the album out. Freedom of speech. BG's first is his first album since being out. He got a documentary, says he got a novel. He got an autobiography coming out detailing his life, what led him to where it led him, and how he turned his life around. He said he ain't going back.

[Matthew Judon]

No. Hey, I'm done. You hear me? I'm done. I'm done. That shit. A birdman told me, send y' all his love, too, man. You heard me. I hollered at him before I came on, man. He said, man, let him know, man, send my love, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I appreciate that, man. Thank you very much, bg. All the best. Congratulations on being home. Hey, good luck on the documentary. Good luck on the autobiography. We go. Ocho and I are going to check that album out.

[Matthew Judon]

Nah, check it out, man. Thank y' all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brother Love, I'm gonna see you in a minute.

[Tom Brokaw]

Love. Love.

[Matthew Judon]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, man, that's. That's tough, Ocho. Yeah, that's tough, man. I mean, to go like you said, you go away and you got Kids and you got to relearn them all over again, don't you?

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because time is the one thing. Time is the one thing that you can't. It's the most precious commodity that we have because it does not stop, is what you cannot make up.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And once it's gone, it's never to be recaptured. You know, he said, I had a 13 year old when I went in. I had a five, I had a three year old. Yeah, bro, he doesn't have half their life. Everybody grown now they got to relearn him. He has to relearn them, man.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. Listen, I'm glad everybody don't get a second chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Hell no.

[Lester Holt]

I'm glad he's been afforded. Been afforded a second chance. He'd been giving grace. And then the good thing about it, some people go in and take their ass right back because they ain't learning lesson the first time. But you listen to him talk, you could tell he's sharp now. His mind different, his man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Same thing. I had Holly shadik on about 3 weeks ago on my podcast. He like Shannon. I knew he like, once I get out, he said, I know I wasn't going back.

[Lester Holt]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I knew I wasn't going back.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I've had homeboy said, nah, sharp, man. I ain't going back. And hell, three months later, they right.

[Lester Holt]

Back in there, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They right back. They're right back.

[Lester Holt]

Hey, sometimes it only takes it take photo. It take for him to sit you down one time long enough, man. You can't get that time back, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shh.

[Lester Holt]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And all the stuff the free you talking about, man. I can't. You ain't got nothing in there. They tell you what time to get up, what time to go to bed, where to go, when to go, how to go, what to do when you get there. Nah. Ocho. Adam Sandler will cast Derrick Henry in a movie if. If he runs for another 2,000 yards. Adam Sandler sent Henry a message saying 2,000 yards plus this year not only gets you in a movie, but I'll have a nice dinner together and talk about Dan Patrick facial hair and how hard it is for him to grow. I love you. Keep it up. Henry one of nine players to ever produce a 2000 yard rush season. He did it in 2020. If he eclipses 2000 yards in 2025, he'll become the first player ever to record two 2000 yard seasons and could earn a cameo in a Movie. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they don't need to be no cameo. I need to. I need to have about 10 minutes.

[Lester Holt]

In the movie, the whole thing. You need to be the main attraction.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least 10 minutes. Oh. So you got to think about the NFL. The NFL is 100607 years old. Yeah. Nobody has ever done 2000 twice, right? Yeah, man, I need, I need about 10, 15 minutes.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah, listen, he's. He's in the right situation to do it. He's sure listen to do it, you know over there with Lamar, brother Bateman, brother, brother Zay Flowers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, if baby he got 2000, they didn't listen to me early instead of putting me in that offset eye and put him.

[Matthew Judon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lester Holt]

Well, listen, they know now. They know now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Told them. Man, shut up. You don't know what you put the man in the eye. Yeah, he's an eyeback.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he Ocho. The thing is he needs to get ahead of steam. He ain't one of them quick back the jump stop like Saquon Jameer Gibbs can run out. Can run out of the offset.

[Lester Holt]

Montgomery could do that too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not. But that's not him. He's an old school. He's a Emmett Smith, he's a Bo Jackson, a Herschel Walker, he's a Eric Dickerson. He's that guy put his heels at 9, tossing the ball.

[Lester Holt]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hand him the ball. They bull jed around the first three, four games, people only had 2,000.

[Lester Holt]

Could have had it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Lester Holt]

And you know what? He might hit it. You got to realize that was his first season now. That was his first season in offense. So now he's already acclimated. He knows the plays, you know, the they, they understand what he can and can't do. They understand his strengths. And I'm crazy for even saying they understand his weaknesses as well and what not to do with him. Man. No telling what he gonna run for this. Yeah.

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