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Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Adam Thielen TRADE + Kyle Hamilton’s $100M deal + Kerby Joseph joins the show
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Ocho Cinco
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Kirby Joseph
This is.
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Ocho Cinco
It's going to be simple and plain. It's simply the fact this is quarterback number one. This is the future of your organization probably for the next 10 years. Obviously we saw, we saw Young Bull down there in Buffalo get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were but I know I think it was in north was of maybe 300, 330, something like that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, I think it's over 300 with 250, 250 guaranteed.
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Ocho Cinco
So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere probably going to leapfrog that in some way shape fashion representation being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal. So it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be and they're going to work it out and I'm, I'm not maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if it, if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season but it's probably going to get done is simply when it comes to certain, certain players on, when it comes to certain players, especially this position, you don't play no games. You don't play games in that position. So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football alone.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I, I, I, I like them going ahead and getting this deal with Kyle, Kyle Hamilton out of the way. They tied up. The Ravens are normally very, very good about this. Their homegrown talent. They take care of those guys. They always have. I believe they're always, they always will. You go back, look at the Jonathan Ogden, the Ray Lewis's, the ter sub Ed Reed. Those guys, they take care of their guys. They've always done that. They took care of Lamar. Now they did make Lamar play You know, or the franchise tag one year, I'm surprised. Well, he didn't play in the franchise tag. They, they, nobody even put money down when. So how many guys needed a quarterback and could have given up easily? Two first round draft picks, I don't think. I think that's the Gordon rate for a quarterback. Of Lamar, two first rounders, you'd have been gladly giving those guys up because, hell, you figure that when you give those guys up that you're going to be so far down in the draft it's not going to harm you. You don't think, would you get Lamar Jackson, you're going to be picking in the top 10 again. With that being said, they took care of Kyle Hamilton. Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. And I agree with you, at some point in time, this deal is going to get done. They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done, Getting something done? It all depends on him because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it best. He and his mom are their representation. They do have an NFLPA attorney. I think they help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate or something like that. That's better than giving up 3 to 4%. I'll pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, 15. Whatever the case may be, let's just say a round number. Let's just say a thousand dollars an hour for you to reel the contract to make sure everything's on the up and up. All the language is, is what it needs to be. But with that being said, he's not going into next season with no $75 million, that's for damn sure. And I think it's going to be, it's going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done. And I can see, I agree with you. I can see them somewhere at some point in time getting a deal done. If he wants to get it done, he might say, well, if we don't get this thing done by the first game, I'm done talking contracts until after the season.
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Ocho Cinco
Obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football when it comes to the business side of things. Obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues. But Lamar is one that just wants to play football. We understand the nature of the business and you don't want to get yourself in any type of distractional situations that can Take you from said game of football. But obviously his eye is on the prize and that eye is on the prize has nothing to do with money because he's already been paid. So his focus is on doing what we need to do. Dominate in the AFC north and contend and get ourself to for one, the playoffs and to get, get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance at the goddamn Lombardi.
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Shannon Sharpe
You, you're absolutely right. Look, the guy's a two time mvp.
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Ocho Cinco
No, no, no, no.
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Shannon Sharpe
You're not gonna pay.
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Ocho Cinco
No, no, don't. No, no, he's a three time MVP. Say he's a three time MVP. Now they took one of those MVPs from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game. Yeah, so it was that I love Josh Allen, but last year's MVP was a damn here. That's what that was. I'm just being, I'm just, I'm just being realistic. Huh? That's what. Damn here. That's what that was.
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Shannon Sharpe
And, but you pay, you're going to pay Lamar Jackson, the guy that's not even 30 years of age yet, you're going to pay him. You believe the next five to seven years he'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up the last three to four years. 30, 40 pass touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five and 800 rush yards. Low turnover rate. Like you said, he just needs to get over that hunt. He just needs to get that one time to, to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season because so many times we've seen him, he went like a stretch where he had eight, nine games. Ocho, he ain't turned the ball over. He, he didn't fumble the ball. He didn't throw a pick. He did none of that. And then he got, I think that in that playoff game, the division around against Baltimore, he ended up having two turnovers. Look, he still had him in position. If the tight end, if he catches that Mark Andrews, if he catches that two point play now we, we're possibly in overtime or, or I mean the defense going to have to stand to keep Josh Allen out of field goal range. And then we go to overtime, we'll never know. But we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in a, in a big time game compose season like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won the mvp. See, because that guy showed up, they go into the super.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah, absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
And that's, and that's and that's what we. That's what we keep expecting Ocho. That's what we keep wanting to see because we know we have. We had. He has it in him because we see him. It's not like we're asking. We're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing because we've seen him put on tape. He throw for 300, he'll rush for 50, 70, 80 yards. We've seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown rushing. So we're not asking him to do anything that we have not already seen with our own eyes. It's just that in the playoffs, more times than not he's turned the ball over and once he gets that out of his way, you know, it's sometimes it takes other longer to. We've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went his first, second first year of starting, he went. Patrick Mahomes his first year starting, he goes to the AFC championship game. The next year, his second year starting, he wins. He wins the super bowl. He wins regular season mvp. And that same thing with Lamar. Think about it, Lamar, his first year starting, he won suit. He won the mvp. So we know who it. What he can capable of. We just need him to be that person. Come play. And if he does that, the Ravens gonna be hell. Because the Ravens got. They got a heck of a football team. They got a heck of a football team. I think John Harbaugh is an unbelievable coach defensively. They got guys that fly around to the football. They got Jair Alexander, they got Wiggins outside. They got Marlon Humphrey in the slot. They got Hamilton, they took it safe. I think they took another safety in the first round. They're good. Roquan Smith. Look, they're loaded. They got Bateman, they got Flower, the. The running back with. Look, Ricard is back. They got Derrick Henry, they got Staley is back. Lamar, they are loaded. Now L is going to be out a little while because I think he got dealing with a foot injury. But they got M. Andrews, who's been an all Pro, who's gone to multiple pro boos. This team is loaded. This team is equipped and they should, should be thinking, hey, we got to take care of. We got to take care of business and win our division. But they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team and based on the coach, the coaching staff that they have. But yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done. 43.5 million. That's not that's not excessive as far as the cap ojo but 75 yeah, that's way over.
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Colin Coward
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Jacob Goldstein
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Shannon Sharpe
What else we got here? The Panthers trade Adam Thielen to the Vikings at the veteran receiver returns home. He is from Minnesota. The teams agreed to park to swap picks. The Vikings gave up a 5th round pick in 26 and a 4th round pick in 27. Carolina yields a conditional 7th round pick in 26 and a 5th round in 27. Oo did the Vikings get better bringing him back?
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Ocho Cinco
I think they got better. Just the veteran presence in general. Just veteran presence in general. Having. Having obviously Jordan Addison going to be out. So you have Adam Thielen that can come in right now and play and if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know, but Adam Thielen and J.J. mcCarthy they, they worked out in the offseason together. They, they were getting even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in. So there's a, a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense. So really Adam Thielen coming back, being able, being able to acclimate right back to that offense right back at home. I think they're going to be fine. It's a great addition for them and obviously them, the Panthers let them go let you know how good and how much they believe in that young receiving.
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Shannon Sharpe
Jimmy Horn made the acting roster. Yeah, but, but you, Jimmy Horn Jr. Made the actor roster.
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Ocho Cinco
You God damn right Jimmy Horn was going to make it. Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL especially when it comes to route running and being able to create separation and get open. So I understood that hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good they let brother Hunter Winfro Brother Hunter Winfro go and Winfro is one if considered one of the better route runners and also a creating separation and be able to get open. But that's how good, that's how good they are. Obviously I'm very, very high, very very high and I've spoke highly of that receiving corp over there in Carolina and if they're, if they're to have a year and want to compete not only in that division but have a successful season is going to be upon that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land. So outside of that I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota. J.J. mcCarthy, Justin Jefferson, Adam then. And when Jordan Addison comes back, that's a nice trio to have. Very nice trio.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And you still got Hawkinson who's, who's another year removed from that injury. Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah, I like, I like the move. This is a Carolina's opportunity. I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor those, some of those young receivers. Ocho, that they have in Carolina. But Carolinas look like it's our guys. It's time for them to grow up. It's time for them to grow up. We're counting on these young guys. You got McMillan, you got Leggette, you got Aylin Coker. Coker, you got Jimmy Horn Jr. Like you said. So they, they got some young talent now. It's just time for them. They don't have a. Would you call a veteran presence in that locker room at the receiver position. They have veterans on the team. But I, I like, I, I like the move. Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no? But they said, you know what, for a fourth round pick in 27. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We go ahead. We let y' all have, we let y' all have this. And I understand Minnesota because like you said, Jordan Addison is going to be gone for three games. So now we got somebody to come in that, a veteran presence that understands the, the gravity and the magnitude of these games that they can like. They're, they're in a very tough division. Ojo that. Green Bay's in that division, Detroit's in that division. We believe Chicago will be better. That's in that division. So Detroit's like, nah, we don't, we don't have any excuses. We don't have any slippage. We want to get off, hit the ground running. And I think Adam Thielen gives them a great opportunity to do that. But. So I like Detray for both, but if Carolina said nah to keep Adam feeling and to help him groom some of these young guys, I wouldn't have been upset at that either.
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Ocho Cinco
You have to understand why they let him go. I think people in the chat need to understand when it comes to veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving core that is impressed not only in the preseason, but in training camp. That's the only time you let a veteran presence, presence of a player like Adam Thielen go because you trust what you've already seen. You trust what those young, those young bulls have put on film. So now we know. You know what? We going to be okay. We gonna be okay. And we're gonna let them boys take the torch.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And I'm sure they look a part of us all want to go back home.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
You know Dorothy, Dorothy wanted to go back to Kansas. A part of us, a part of us want to go back to where it started from. And, and you know, if you think about it, what normally happened when a lot of people escape, what the first place they go, they catch them at home.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
They go, they, they gonna go back to an old familiar surroundings. And so I think for Adam, Adam, you know, he's like man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota. You know what my family, he's probably, Minnesota's probably going to be home for him, man. I mean he's probably thinking, didn't, didn't know if it would ever come to fruition. He probably thinking man, I sure would like to get home. I sure would like to, you know, finna play a last year too in Minnesota. And here it is, he's, he's going home and Minnesota pull off a swap. They give up a fifth round pick in 26 and the fourth round in 27th. Carolina get gets a seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27. So I think everybody's happy on Joe. But like you said, those yo young receivers in Carolina, they did, they, they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable, you know exactly what you're going to get. He's hard working, he's, he's a guy that can mentor the young guys. But they say, you know what, these young guys are ready.
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Ocho Cinco
Absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
During Terry McCarran's push for a new contract, age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance. Terry turns 30 in mid September. That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three year deal with, with the wide out. At the press conference today, McLaurin was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he or nor the deal will age. Well, the data is the data but I think people, they're outliers. There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell. But I feel like where things are in my ability in January I ran like 60 yard screen for a touchdown. My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there. If anything my savviness of playing receiver has grown.
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Ocho Cinco
Hey listen, hey. Honestly I'm just listening. All the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and, and wear and tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters, huh? None of it really matters. Only matters.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, it doesn't matter to us.
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Ocho Cinco
It just matters to those who cut those checks. And so they look at it from a business standpoint, maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin. I can get somebody that can give me half the production, and I can. I can put that money elsewhere. That's the way they think. But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to go to a Super bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting. From a business standpoint, why are we waiting? Are you serious about winning? Them getting that deal done for Terry McLaren lets me know that they're serious about winning. And the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done. We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity. We have a good. We have okay defense. But I understand we can do offensively if we have number 17 in this room, for us to make that run for Lombardi, hell, we got to the NFC Championship with him. He was. I'm not sure what percentage, but he was. He was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when it comes to throwing the ball in the air. So what is there to play about? I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say. I know what happens. I know what he does when you put. When you turn that goddamn film on and 17, he gonna show up every time.
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Shannon Sharpe
The question is, Ocho, what we don't know. We're not privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor?
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I gotta write.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's. That's what you. You and I are not privy to those conversations. So. And what, what I mean by that chat, did he lower his price or did they raise their. Did they raise their offer? And, and, and so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done. You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should. But in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take. Because you. You don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something, and then you guys become resentful of each other. But by the same token, you don't want to, like, man, feel like you got screwed over, because now you're going to feel like you, you know, they tried. They took advantage of you. So I, I think at this, at the number that he ended up getting, I think everybody can live. I think everybody can live with that. He doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option. Now he gets to cut. Now he gets to what? I think he gets to come in and get a good number. Like I said. Ojo. What, what, what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do?
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Ocho Cinco
Right? Yeah, Listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful. It's a respectful offer. Obviously, it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously, because you are 30. But they found a happy medium, a happy medium for him. His family, wife, kids, they can be happy. The team is happy. Jaden Daniels gets his court. Jaden Daniels, James Daniels gets his receiver on a nice, peace, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of it is over. Let's go play football. Let's play football and prepare. Prepare for week one with no distractions.
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Shannon Sharpe
We all good? Yeah. Because you know they're gonna have to do something with Laramie Tunsil, they're gonna have to do something with Louisville that, you know, they. What are they going to do anything with Marshawn Lattimore. That's the great. Jane Daniels is coming up in after next year. So, you know, they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way so they don't have this, you know, going into a next season with Tonsil and Lovu and those other. And a few other guys on show. Let's go ahead and piece by piece because in two years, you're gonna have to go see five, I think, you know, ain't Jane Daniels five? Yeah, you're gonna have to see it. And it's gonna cost you a chunk of change now.
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Ocho Cinco
Hey, it's gonna be pretty now.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you have to do something strange for a little. You have to do something strange to pay that piece of change.
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Ocho Cinco
You gotta understand, you got. You got three quarterbacks, right? That's going to come up and it's going to break the bank for their team. So you want to take advantage of those situations now over there in Houston, boy, you better back the Brink truck up down there in Washington. You better be able to back the Brink truck up at some point, I think after the season. No, Caleb Williams got one more Bo Nix. They finna have to back the Brink truck up.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, he got another year, too.
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Ocho Cinco
Yeah. Yeah, him and Caleb. Him And Bo Nix and Caleb are going to be at the same time.
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Shannon Sharpe
And Jane, Daniel.
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
All them came out the same draft.
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Ocho Cinco
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, talk to me now. Talk to me nice too. Let me know, Let me. Show me how much you love me.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's gonna. Yeah. I mean, look, the thing is you try to win as much as you can because when these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when it's time to dance now, it, it, it, it kind of inhibits what you're able to do. You, you can't just arbitrarily go, okay, I just go get that. Because when you have him on his rookie contract, you can do that. You can go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay. I think about just the now, just the here. But once you, once you pay that guy and you talking about you paying a guy 50, 60, and you looking at this case, you're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 60, 67, 68 million dollars. Who knows? Maybe even you touch seven without blinking the eye.
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Kirby Joseph
Yeah.
- [28:43]
Shannon Sharpe
And so you're looking at a quarter of a bill, a quarter, you know, court of a Billy guarantee. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's kind of where you're headed now. So with that being said, I think, you know, these guys, these general managers in the teams are trying to link the, like, lock these guys up. So we don't want to have to do. I'm trying to do Laramie Tunsall. I'm trying to do Lovu. I'm trying to do Jane Daniels, I'm trying to do whomever else. Let me go ahead and get. Do I deal with one thing. I can fight one battle at a time. I don't want to spread myself too thin. Let me fight one battle at a time, okay? I gotta fight Jane Daniels. Let me go ahead and get this taken care of, okay? I need to deal with Tunsil, I need to deal with Lovo. I needed whomever. Let me deal with one individual at a time. And I, I think that they'll be better served with that. But it was, it was good that McLaurin got his, got his money. You know, look, whether we like it or not, Ocho.
- [29:37]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [29:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Everybody is losing analytic analytics because guess what else? Everybody uses AI.
- [29:42]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [29:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Pretty soon they gonn AI. The team gonna be using AI to determine.
- [29:46]
Ocho Cinco
I mean, listen, the game, the game of football is still football at the end of the day. I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that, that teams try to go off of certain type of players, win you championships. You're going to need your dogs in there. There are certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill, they can't measure hard. Sometimes you got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense. This mf I don't want to curse this. This mofo. He can play and because he can play he can help my team. And because he can play and he can help my team, I gotta pay.
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- [32:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho. Hold up. We go. Come back to that. We got a very special guest joining us right now. We got all pro safety from the Detroit Lions. Led the league in interception last year. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Kirby Joseph. K.J.
- [33:11]
Kirby Joseph
What it doing? Hey, y', all, man, I just want to thank y' all for having me on here.
- [33:14]
Ocho Cinco
Kirby. Boy, you got money. Boy, you got stars in your ceiling.
- [33:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I see that. I see that. I was thinking the same thing, Ocho. I'm thinking the same thing. I'm thinking the same thing.
- [33:22]
Ocho Cinco
I ain't never seen nothing like that. Boy, what you driving am, man?
- [33:26]
Kirby Joseph
Just know I'm in that. I'm in that thing you on that color.
- [33:29]
Shannon Sharpe
That look like a color the sun that look like. But from where I fit, you know, I'm sitting, you know, many, many miles away, but that what it look like.
- [33:37]
Kirby Joseph
I'm in the galaxy right now.
- [33:38]
Ocho Cinco
It look like you in space, boy.
- [33:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, how you doing? How. How. How was your. How was your off season coming in? Because, look, the last couple of years, you get to the NFC championship game, you lose to the divisional round. So how is your off season? And how do you lose the last two seasons this off season to get you right where you need to be coming into this season?
- [34:04]
Kirby Joseph
To be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hungrier. You know, just getting a taste of, like, that I can do it, then I'm going to, like, achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person. You know what I'm saying? I'm never gonna stop at nine. Like, you know, I got nine interceptions. I'm not gonna stop at nine. I'm always gonna try to pray, you know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
- [34:25]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, how was. How was camp this year? How's the body holding up, obviously? Are you going into. Are you. Uncle always has a saying, if you. If you limp into the season, you go limp out the season. How's your body holding up? How did Cam go? And how you feeling going into week one?
- [34:39]
Kirby Joseph
Man, Honestly, everything went great, man. I feel like we had a great camp. I just felt like I know now, like, you know, this is like year four for me, so. It's like a lot of stuff I haven't seen before. So. Like, that. That.
- [34:51]
Shannon Sharpe
That.
- [34:51]
Kirby Joseph
That saying, that saying, like, oh, the more years you play, like, the more experience you'll get. Like, is that, like. That's the truth? You know.
- [34:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Cliches. Look, last year, you guys, man, you got up to this great start. You played pretty well all year, but these injuries started to mount. You lose a D line, when you lose a D tackle, you lose a linebacker, you lose a backup, you lose. You just kept you losing player after player. And AG Did a great job. And Coach Campbell, the head coach, did a great job of keeping this team steady, like, no matter who we lose. Guys, hey, this is why we have 53 man rosters. Hey, guys, come in. You do your job. That's all I need you to do is your job. It had to be frustrating. You like what? Damn, bro. I mean, at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players. We can't lose anybody else.
- [35:40]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, last year, that was. I never seen nothing like that.
- [35:43]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [35:44]
Kirby Joseph
In football, like, I've never seen. I never seen that before. That it was. I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers, you know, I'm saying, like, get injured and stuff, because nobody wants to get injured in this game. You know what I'm saying? But we love playing this game, and, you know, that's what we signed up for. You know, injuries are gonna happen, but, like, how that happened. Yeah, I never seen that before, but I felt like. I felt like, man, we just. We just knew what we had to do, you know? I mean, you know, guys go down. You know what I'm saying? And if it's something like that, that happens, man, I feel like I don't pride myself on, like, just having, like. I wouldn't say I. But I feel like us as a team, we don't. We don't. How should I say? We don't believe in, like, ones and twos. You know what I'm saying? It's like the next person gotta go, right?
- [36:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [36:37]
Kirby Joseph
Because, like, I tell. I tell the group all the time. Like, even everybody always says it's gonna take all of us to win. You know what I'm saying? So, like, as a team, that's just what you got to do. You know what I'm saying? When your brother down, man, you got to step up to the plate.
- [36:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, how different. Go ahead.
- [36:51]
Ocho Cinco
I'm gonna say, obviously, with AG being. Being gone, I'm. I'm one of the one I've always come to bat for, you guys. Regards to who the person is calling defensive plays with AG now being with the jets, but the same players are still there. So regardless of who's calling the plays, from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are being able to have a little. A little freedom to do what you want?
- [37:16]
Kirby Joseph
Oh, yeah.
- [37:17]
Ocho Cinco
Are you allowed that now?
- [37:18]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, I feel like. I wouldn't say now. I always had little freedom, especially when AG was there. Just, you know what I'm saying? Learning it as I go, you know, I feel like, yeah, the same players are here, you know what I'm saying? You know, ag, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, he had to go do what he had to do at the jets, you know what I'm saying? I'm wishing them good luck and all, but I feel like. I don't feel like the level of play is gonna go on decline at all, you know, if anything, I feel like it'll increase a lot more, you know what I'm saying? Because now I feel like it's just, you know, it's a new coaching staff change, you know what I'm saying? Everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season, you know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter.
- [38:03]
Ocho Cinco
Right? That's the thing for me, when I'm. When I'm thinking, I think about safety play. You wanted a better seat. Probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that it can't be schemed, it can't be scripted. It's not X's and no's, it's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye, discipline and what you see. So I know you have a new coaching staff and most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have. I don't want to, I think, maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only. So I would. I was just curious if, even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the X and those to be able to play your Game?
- [38:47]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, for sure. I feel like, like, one thing I notice about, like, a lot of, a lot of my teammates on the, on the team is that, like, we're football players. You know, I feel like the team does a great job of allowing us to be football players because, you know, football is not just what you see on paper. It's not going to be like that in the game. So you got to understand, Stu, stuff happen. So you gotta, you know, you gotta play football, dog. You just gotta play football.
- [39:09]
Ocho Cinco
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I, I, I, I like that you said that because this is something that I always struggle with somebody. I mean, obviously when I was playing you, you go in, they put, they put the scheme, the taxes, this is what we run. And they did the exit nose. It's a straight line and he cuts, right. I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens in real time.
- [39:28]
Shannon Sharpe
No.
- [39:28]
Ocho Cinco
You got people moving, pushing and tugging. So it's kind of different out there on the field. And most of the time, I would always tell my officer, coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what I do. But I'm going to stay within the timing of the offense and the same thing on defense. It's all about reading, reacting in a certain amount of time. But I'm going to do everything I can the way you draw it up. But you got to give me some freedom. We don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot. Yeah, but go ahead, go ahead. I'm excited. My bad.
- [39:55]
Kirby Joseph
I can't play football like a robot. It's just not in me, bro. I gotta.
- [39:59]
Ocho Cinco
Right, right.
- [40:02]
Shannon Sharpe
No, my question is, is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your offensive coordinator for a long period of time, and, you know, he's drawing up plays to beat the defense. In training camp, you guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp. So how, how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football and he happens to be in your division. You played them twice a year and they've loaded up. They went and got drafted a receiver in the second round. They drafted a tight end in the first round. They shored up their offensive line. They're seemingly in the preseason, and I don't, don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby, but it seems to be they're flying around defensively, but, you know, their bread is buttered on the offense, they got a first round draft pick. They got D.J. moore, they got Roma Dunze. I think they got a. Was it Burton? I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri. They got Loveland and cold commit. So they're, they're a really good team. But you know, you. You're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys.
- [41:03]
Kirby Joseph
Hey, I like that you said that because like, you know, Ben, Ben had to go do what he had to do, just like AG did, you know, I'm happy for him, you know I'm saying the opportunity. Yeah, they got some guys over there, you know what I'm saying? But Ben know what's up with me. Like you said, he know what's up with me, bro. He know what's up. I'm never going back down or away from competition because honestly, I feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff. I feel like it's more of a challenge, you know, So I feel like it's always a. Always a way to get better. And I feel like that's a big, big test right there.
- [41:39]
Shannon Sharpe
I like it.
- [41:39]
Ocho Cinco
Hey.
- [41:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You know what I would tell. I want you to tell me this Dan Campbell, because when he first got the job, that man talking about by kneecap, he gonna do all this, I'm like, well, damn. So what's, what's he really. When the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and. And you guys are in the meeting room or you. What's Dan Campbell like?
- [42:01]
Kirby Joseph
Honestly, man, I feel like. I feel like. I feel like Dan Campbell, that's just a great coach, you know, I feel like he's more of a players coach because just. Cause he understands like what, you know, what we put our body through and what we go through throughout this player. So we kind of understand how everything be. I feel like he does a. A great job of like taking care of us. And he shows that he's passionate, you know, about a lot of things we do. Like, the reason why he's telling us these things he's telling us is because he wants us to win. Not only him to win, but he wants us to win. You know what I'm saying? Like you people, what I'm saying, it's not just him or the team, it's us because we doing this as a group, we're a team. You know what I'm saying? We reaching one goal together. So I feel like he does a great job of just teaching us that you know what I'm saying? And a lot of the drills we do or a lot of the practices or the meeting, the team meetings and stuff like that, man, I just felt like, man, every time that man get up and go up on that podium or whatever, he talking already. Go right now. Already, right now. I'm ready right now. So I just. Man, I love Coach Campbell, man. He does. You know what I'm saying? Everything.
- [43:06]
Ocho Cinco
I like it. I like, hey, what's your nutrition like? Are you. Are you one of those healthy eaters, you know, eat green stuff all the time? Like, are you. Are you big into that?
- [43:14]
Kirby Joseph
I'm a survivor. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna try to eat good, but.
- [43:19]
Ocho Cinco
If it good.
- [43:22]
Kirby Joseph
You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna go over the extension, so just starve myself or not. I'm gonna eat my.
- [43:28]
Ocho Cinco
See, I like it. See? So that brings me to my next question.
- [43:31]
Kirby Joseph
I don't eat pork.
- [43:32]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, okay. Okay. That's cool. Listen, I want to provide my. My services. You know, I'm. I'm a meal prep, so I can provide you with meals Monday through Sunday. I only charge 20 a week.
- [43:46]
Kirby Joseph
You're a meal prefer.
- [43:48]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, yeah, I'm a meal. No, listen, I'm trying to make sure you get the greatest output every Sunday or Thursday night or Monday nights, whenever y' all might play. And. And you. And my first client, so I'm not taking no for answer. I'm not taking no for answer. I'm telling you. So I'm gonna let the world know. Listen, I'm your nutritionist from now on, and I. I thank you for. For giving me the opportunity. Okay? Bet. All right, bro.
- [44:14]
Kirby Joseph
It sounds good. I'm checking out, though. I'm checking out.
- [44:18]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, I got a new job. I got a new job. Huh?
- [44:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Kirk? You guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams going into his. Like, Jameson, do you think he's ready to take that next step? Because we've seen him show. So the flashes, We. We know what. Almond Roth, we know what he's going to do, but not Jameson, you know? And. And at first, he was just that guy that tried to get deep, but now you can just put the ball. You can hand it to him, and he can go hit his head on the goal post. You can throw him a smoke screen, jailbreak screen, and then go get the. He can go to the end zone. So what. What do you think? What can we expect to see from. From Jameson this year, man?
- [44:56]
Kirby Joseph
Honestly, I'm so. I'm so proud of Jim O. Man, Jimmo is one of the guys that you, you know, you see out there, and he just continues to get better, you know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like they ain't. They ain't seen this Jimbo yet.
- [45:09]
Colin Coward
Dang.
- [45:10]
Kirby Joseph
They ain't seen this jambo yet. And so. So I ain't. You know, I ain't gonna put it all out there, but demo this year, for sure.
- [45:18]
Ocho Cinco
I like him.
- [45:20]
Shannon Sharpe
He ready to rock.
- [45:21]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, where Brian Branch at, man?
- [45:24]
Kirby Joseph
Man, B.B.
- [45:26]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, man.
- [45:26]
Kirby Joseph
Man, I don't know right now. He probably some of it, man. That's. Man, that's. That's none of the guys on another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro. Like, hey, bro, his. His back. Said his back is tools or whatever.
- [45:39]
Ocho Cinco
He used, he made. He nice. Listen, I talked about him. I talked about him all last year. Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it's like. I was. Like, I was stalking, but I'm. Listen, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much. Even though I'm receiver, I was giving y', all. Y' all boys credit week in and week out, just the way y' all played the game and the way y' all approach to the game. So I'm. I'm. I'm. I've always been a huge fan. Especially, man, you. You and goddamn Brian Branch, man, him being able to go to safety, then sometime having to go to corner. I'm like, man, what the hell, bro? Like a damn little Swiss army knife.
- [46:19]
Kirby Joseph
He doing everything facts, man.
- [46:21]
Ocho Cinco
He.
- [46:21]
Kirby Joseph
He's super talented, man. He's super talented. I feel like one thing he does the most is, like, his. His instincts crazy. Yes, his instinct is crazy. Him at nickel. Him at safety is kind of. The nickel is kind of up to par. But when they moved him back to safety, you know, I said, man, like the plays he made, I just. You know what I'm saying? I'm still wishing I made them. I just put it like that.
- [46:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Are you a talker? Do. I mean, when you're on. On the field, are you talking to the opposing team, is your defense talkers or you guys just go play football?
- [46:58]
Kirby Joseph
Is. I feel like everybody got their own little situation going on with me out there. Me, personally, I feel like. I feel like I don't too much say nothing, but somebody pissed me off, bro. You gonna hear me, bro. Like, I'm. And once I'm going at you, bro. I'm never gonna stop.
- [47:16]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. Is it. Is there a player. Is there a player that you really don't like that y' all always go at it? To give you a better example, perspective. Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore. Do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the NFL or not really?
- [47:31]
Kirby Joseph
I got a couple.
- [47:34]
Ocho Cinco
Damn.
- [47:34]
Shannon Sharpe
For real? Yeah, I got a couple.
- [47:37]
Kirby Joseph
I don't want to be going for none of that.
- [47:39]
Ocho Cinco
But is it. Is it. Is it personal or it's, like, really serious? Like, I don't really, I don't. I don't see you like that. Like, I really don't see you like that.
- [47:46]
Kirby Joseph
There's only one light up.
- [47:49]
Ocho Cinco
I want to know. I want to know so I can watch.
- [47:51]
Kirby Joseph
I, I, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I ain't. I'll tell you.
- [47:54]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [47:59]
Kirby Joseph
Once they find out, they gonna be trying to separate.
- [48:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, Okay.
- [48:02]
Ocho Cinco
I got you. I got you.
- [48:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Because once he find out, he gonna try to get you before you get him.
- [48:08]
Kirby Joseph
Now you know, he know who I am.
- [48:11]
Ocho Cinco
Okay.
- [48:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [48:12]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [48:13]
Shannon Sharpe
So obviously, your head coach and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense is still there. Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high. You guys won 15 games last year. The year before that, you went to the NFC championship game, bro. It's time. I mean, you know, you only. You only get so many bite of the apple, Kirby, before the apple's gone. Now y' all be taking big. Y' all be taking big bites.
- [48:41]
Kirby Joseph
Hey, we ain't gonna stop hey, we ain't gonna stop till we get there, though. Like. But I don't never see myself especially, like, stopping. I feel like a lot of we went through. I. I feel like it was to. To get us to this moment right now. I feel like we got a lot of guys healthy. We got guys back, you know what I'm saying? I feel like especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough, you know what I'm saying? So got to still keep going because now it's just any minute, my new thing going on with the game, that could be the change of the title of the game, you know what I'm saying? So just working on the situations and stuff like that, and then just, we gotta make plays, you know what I'm Saying, I feel like. I feel like a lot of the things that happen on the field with, like, playmaking, I feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourselves because we got. We keep ourselves accountable. A lot of the things. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Cause it's like, I be hard on myself when I don't get interception for the game, you know? Cause I feel like I leave my team down, you know what I'm saying? And BB Might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks, you know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that.
- [49:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
- [49:47]
Kirby Joseph
You know, I just be like. You know what I'm saying? Let's help each other and keep each other, like, on point.
- [49:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Week 16, you got. You face a very familiar opponent. You was in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers. He's with the Steelers now. You've had a lot of success against Rogers. You looking forward to that matchup?
- [50:03]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, yeah. Hey. Hey. That's my favorite quarterback, though. No way.
- [50:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you expect him to throw you a couple hundred?
- [50:12]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, that ain't gonna stop. Yeah, yeah, that ain't gonna stop, but. Hey, he cool, though. He cool for sure.
- [50:19]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [50:20]
Kirby Joseph
I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see if he gonna sign one of them.
- [50:24]
Shannon Sharpe
I was about to ask you the same thing. I said, you trying to get one of the balls?
- [50:28]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball. I'm trying. I'm trying to at least one of them. I got about. I'm just trying to get him signed, bro. I'm just trying to get a sign.
- [50:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I like it.
- [50:42]
Ocho Cinco
That's funny.
- [50:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all play the Steelers, week 16.
- [50:48]
Ocho Cinco
Y' all don't play the Bengals, huh?
- [50:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we do.
- [50:50]
Kirby Joseph
I think we got them on a schedule this year.
- [50:52]
Ocho Cinco
Oh, okay.
- [50:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [50:54]
Kirby Joseph
I think that's my first time going against Joe Barrow. Yeah.
- [50:57]
Ocho Cinco
Okay. Okay. Okay.
- [50:59]
Shannon Sharpe
You got. Do you circle? Do you. Do you circle games? Do you. That you look at. Do you look at the calendar? Do you look at the schedule, like. Okay, all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my time. Yeah. Okay. I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games? Week five, y' all play the Bengals. Week five. Oh, for real?
- [51:14]
Ocho Cinco
I'm going to the game where they play at. Are they playing in Detroit? No, we play.
- [51:18]
Kirby Joseph
We play in Cincinnati.
- [51:21]
Ocho Cinco
Okay. Okay, I see you. Week five. I'm coming out there. I'm coming out there.
- [51:24]
Kirby Joseph
See me out there?
- [51:25]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, yeah, Definitely.
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Kirby Joseph
I don't feel like I got, like, a whole bunch of games, but I do be having, like, revenge games. I have, like, a revenge game or, like, somebody. I ain't play, like, the Bengals. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, that's one of my games out of circle because, you know, I never played them before. I always like to play different teams, see different people, see different plays, you know?
- [51:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And, you know, they got one of the better offenses. You know, the quarterback you mentioned, Joe, they got T. They got Chase, the triple crown winner. They're supposed to be really, really good on that side of the football. So you guys are really going to have your work cut out.
- [52:01]
Kirby Joseph
Yeah, and I see my. I see a couple of my dogs out there. Chase, Brown and pj so then my dogs. I'm trying to, you know, jersey swap. See Autumn boys. You know, it's always good to see you. You know, I'm saying your teammates, from them way in the back and way in the past. So.
- [52:17]
Ocho Cinco
That'S dope.
- [52:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, Kirby, man, best of luck. Stay healthy. Thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight, man. Wishing the. The Lions the best of luck. And you guys win that division and get to the super bowl, man. Come back and join us and have a conversation with us. Oh, go ahead.
- [52:34]
Ocho Cinco
No, I'm saying my meal prep. I'm gonna send you the directions on how to take the food, the amounts, you know, three. It's three meals a day. Three meals a day. So I' ma send everything to you. I'm gonna send it to your dm and then I'm gonna mail all the food to you. Start next week.
- [52:49]
Kirby Joseph
Okay. Hey, say he for real. Are he playing?
- [52:53]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, yeah. I got you. I promise you. No, listen, I'm you my first client. I'm an NFL nutritionist. I' to make sure people stop getting hurt. Not only are people gonna stop getting hurt, they're going to be able to put out the best output because of my meal plan and my meal prep, so boom. All right. This is what it is. It's what I do. Look, I got like, 300 jobs, and I just added one. I just added one.
- [53:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And meal prep ain't one of them.
- [53:23]
Ocho Cinco
Hey, come on. UNC support black business. Unc support black business.
- [53:28]
Kirby Joseph
Look, look, when we, you know, I'm.
- [53:30]
Ocho Cinco
Saying we get off the call, you.
- [53:31]
Kirby Joseph
Know I'm saying just hit me. You know, I said we could do that, though.
- [53:34]
Ocho Cinco
I got you. I got you, twin.
- [53:35]
Kirby Joseph
I got you. Hey, but I do want to thank y' all for having me out here. I want to thank God also just for giving me the opportunity to come out here every day, play football, you know what I'm saying? And just to give back. So appreciate y' all for having me.
- [53:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, I love, appreciate you for joining the man. Appreciate that, man. Take care. Stay healthy, man. We'll talk to you soon.
- [53:53]
Kirby Joseph
Y' all be good.
- [53:54]
Ocho Cinco
All right?
- [53:55]
Shannon Sharpe
All right. Support black business. I support black business.
- [54:02]
Ocho Cinco
I'm a meal prep. Don't do me like that. I'm just trying to earn a dollar.
- [54:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Lord have mercy. Coach GM Chris Ballard said team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done. I don't agree. I've said numerous times, I don't agree with that. I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody, for. For anybody. I do. I'm proud of Anthony, of where he's at and how far he's come. He's come. Miles is tough on any young quarterback in this league. But for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and work so hard and not get the goals for himself. All right, now continue to do that. That's when we've got a chance to see real growth. You like that, Ocho? You like what he had to say?
- [54:47]
Ocho Cinco
Absolutely. Also, also from a business. From a business side of things. We know. We don't. We don't. We know that the. The long term answer is not Daniel Jones. We've seen a small sample side of what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants. So to think.
- [54:58]
Shannon Sharpe
No, we saw a big sample size. It wasn't small.
- [55:00]
Ocho Cinco
Okay, my bad. But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long term, that's not it. So why would you trade Anthony Richardson? He's only 23 years old. He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others. Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer. Maybe the benching now again and losing this, this spot is a blessing in disguise for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better. And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the starting quarterback, do you know who's going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season? Brother Anthony Richardson. Absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup that. No, of course not.
- [55:45]
Shannon Sharpe
No, I, I think. I don't think he's trading him now. Now we might be having a different conversation next offseason. Okay.
- [55:52]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, that's different. Now. That's. That's depending. That's depending if things right with Daniel Jones and what he shows us, what type of growth, maturity from the quarterback position, being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from time to time. Now that can save not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis as well.
- [56:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, yes. So if he gets an opportunity, he's gonna have to take full advantage of it because he's not getting another chance after this. He gets back in there and he doesn't. He doesn't take advantage of this opportunity, they're gonna move on because it becomes cost prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster. So. And you're never gonna get the value for. I mean, you took it with the fourth pick in the draft. Yeah, the fourth pick in the draft. Ojo, you do realize, like, that's supposed to be. At the fourth pick in the draft. You're supposed to be franchise altering, especially if you're a quarterback.
- [56:47]
Ocho Cinco
Yep.
- [56:48]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, any player that you taking it that high up, he's supposed to be framed. If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering.
- [56:57]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [56:58]
Shannon Sharpe
And, and, and normally you hold Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy. Now we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what he did for Bryce Young.
- [57:11]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [57:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Let's see if it can have the same kind of impact on Richards.
- [57:16]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so.
- [57:20]
Shannon Sharpe
I hope so too.
- [57:21]
Ocho Cinco
Talent. He's a, He's a phenomenal talent, man. Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing.
- [57:28]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, look, Ocho. But you look at it, a guy started. He started 13 games in college. He started 15 games in the NFL. That's 28 total stars. Most of the really good. The really good quarterbacks, you. You'll get. You'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games and Cam. Or you get a Joe Burrow who starts what, what, 14, 15 games. And I think he might have started junior. I'm not sure, but I don't think he started more than 25 games with that being said. But most of the time, these guys you got to get. I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars. 13. Think about oo. 13 starts and you're a project and you get your top five pick and the, the. Do you know how immensely Talented. You must be.
- [58:20]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. But the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient. No, no.
- [58:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Hell no.
- [58:26]
Ocho Cinco
The NFL is not patient because you have to understand people jobs on the line. So when you draft the quarterback that high. That high, and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent, a franchise changing quarterback. You know, listen, the Texans did it. Hell, the Commanders did it. So not understanding with. Not that.
- [58:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Look how many. Look how many games. Look how many games. Jayden Daniels started up. He started like damn near 50 games, Ocho.
- [58:53]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. And that's the difference. But obviously there. There needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Colts side on that franchise. But they don't have that kind of patience. They don't have that kind of time because people jobs are on the line. People job on the line.
- [59:07]
Shannon Sharpe
I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years, I'm gonna have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars. And you telling me to be patient.
- [59:14]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah. Yeah.
- [59:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Now, it's not something like, you know, once upon a time, if I can see Ocho, if it's like, If I got 10 cars, you know, I get like, man, this car might be worth something. I can set that one to the side. I can't sit, my man. Cause I. Growing up Ocho, we had a Chevelle. We had a Chevelle SS with the rally racing stripes down it. We had all. We had a Malibu. We had all that stuff. We couldn't set that car aside because that was our everyday car, Right? I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play, but I need him to play well, because in three years, I'm gonna have to give him a quarter of a billion dollars. I'm about to have to. Somebody's about to get a contract for 400 million, Ocho.
- [59:58]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [59:58]
Shannon Sharpe
And 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed. So I can't stash it. I can't be patient now. It used to be I'm gonna let the eggs hatch. No, I get my chicklets from smashing the eggs. Come on up out of there, damn it. Yeah. I just being honest with you. Oo. I'm just. Look, you've been in the league.
- [60:17]
Colin Coward
I've been.
- [60:18]
Shannon Sharpe
I've been in the league. We've been around the league. That's how it is now. Ain't nobody waiting. Nobody waiting on you.
- [60:23]
Ocho Cinco
Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners. You think about owners, especially in the NFL, they want instant gratification. They Want in?
- [60:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [60:33]
Ocho Cinco
You know, because most of the owners, they are. They're businessmen. And most of the time, what businessmen do is when they want results, right now, they throw money at it. Yes. It doesn't work like that in NFL. No, it doesn't work like that. So the frustration piles up, because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around, once I throw money at some, right away I get results. But it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade, that you can just build around.
- [61:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden, you start to base your success on somebody else's. See it. They don't have patience. Because I'm looking around the league, and I see what Bo Nicks did. I look around the league, and I see what Jayden Daniels did. I look around the lead, and I see what C.J. stroud did. So now, hold on. Oh, wait, you went higher than. Than Bo. Why. Why you not playing like that? Why can't you be. Why can't you be CJ Stroud? Why can't you be Jay Daniels? So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success. And so now it's almost like Ocho. You looking at somebody else, you basing your marriage on someone else's. Okay, they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy. You don't know what. How they're coaching said player. You don't know how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information. So with all that being said, you looking at it, you just looking at like, well, damn, I see. Look at his numbers and look at my quarterback, right? It's not. It's not that black and white. It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot of. There are a lot of other things that go into it, whether or not a player will be successful. And now I got to like, okay. Like you said, okay, be patient.
- [62:24]
Ocho Cinco
Well.
- [62:26]
Shannon Sharpe
That'S where you do your homework. And if you take it. If you take it a project, you have to be patient.
- [62:32]
Ocho Cinco
Right?
- [62:32]
Shannon Sharpe
You can't expect them to come out and be like. Be like C.J. stroud. You can't expect him to be like Jane Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams, a guy that started at Oklahoma. What was it? Oklahoma. And then he follows a Lincoln Rod of the UFC. You can't expect that. That man got 30 plus stars on his bill. You got half that. Jayden Daniel got like damn, 50 starts. You don't have that. So if you, if it's like Ocho, it's like a, a car, an old school car. You just can't slap it together. When people say they're doing a rebuild on a car, they're going to take their time and do it. It's going to take them years. But the problem is, is that I have other cars I can drive. So I'm not counting on this car so I can take my time. Ocho, bro, this pro sports.
- [63:23]
Ocho Cinco
Yeah.
- [63:24]
Shannon Sharpe
They not wait. No, they're not waiting. Those days of, oh, in two or three years, man, look here, I might be dead. They like I might be dead. I might. So I might have done sold a team, right? I'm not waiting no two or three years. I need you to get it right now. And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you get. You select in the top five and they don't pan out.
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