Shannon Sharpe (2:44)

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Chad Ochocinco (6:30)

Listen, we, we. We went out there, we played a good, a good first half. We played a very good first half. We played competitive football as opposed to everybody else, you know. Oh, we playing the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills, they finna run us out the stadium. We competed. We played good football on both sides of the ball. No turnovers. No turnovers in the first half.

Shannon Sharpe (6:53)

True? Correct. Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (6:55)

None.

Shannon Sharpe (6:55)

None.

Chad Ochocinco (6:56)

Good.

Fred Curley (6:57)

Good.

Chad Ochocinco (6:59)

We still in the game. Execute and play good defense. No mistakes. When you know you have a team that's better than you, you already owing to. When you know you have a team that's better than you, you can't have any mental mistakes. Brooks, you got to see on your chest. It was third down.

Shannon Sharpe (7:18)

You.

Chad Ochocinco (7:18)

You dropped Josh Allen. You tackle Josh Allen all the way down to the floor. What we doing? You gave him another set of downs. Another off of the series.

Shannon Sharpe (7:26)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco (7:28)

Siegler D tackle. You kill a sinner to God, whoever it was, a dude on the outside with a free run ain't blocking the pun. I, I appreciate your effort. I appreciate your effort, but try come on, you know you ain't finna get to that. You know you finna block that.

Shannon Sharpe (7:45)

Not in that spot, Ocho. Not in that spot.

Chad Ochocinco (7:47)

Come on. What you doing? Like, come on, man. Two up. The splits are condense. The splits are already condensed. Your eyes tell you everything.

Shannon Sharpe (8:01)

He stared at linebacker.

Chad Ochocinco (8:03)

The linebacker. Everybody know. They teach you in peewee. When you hike, when you get the ball, keep your eyes up field so the linebacker don't know where you're going. Wherever you look, that's where they gonna go to.

Shannon Sharpe (8:13)

They gonna flow to it.

Chad Ochocinco (8:14)

They go in that way. All you had to do was hold. Hold your eyeline straight just for a little bit.

Shannon Sharpe (8:20)

Then you know where you going.

Chad Ochocinco (8:22)

Come on, man two. You know, baby, you know better than that. Like, we was this close. We was this close. Like, come on, man, listen. Outside of us losing, we played well. Outside of those three bonehead mistakes. I mean, come on, man. We got to do better. I mean, re. Hey, Reef. Tyreek. I know you're gonna see this. Hold tight, boy. Hold tight. It's gonna get better, I'm telling you. I remember I had days like this. I had days like this. It's gonna be okay. Waddle. Hold tight. Hey, Chan. Boy, you ran your ass off tonight, boy. You hear me? You ran your ass off tonight, boy. I mean, come on. The whole game. I don't know if. I don't know if this was the game plan with Mike McDaniels. They. They had condensed splits. The whole damn game. Damn near the whole game. Bump and run. They up in their face. I was hoping at some point because the running game was. Was pretty decent. It was pretty good. I thought they were gonna drop a safety, leave one on one out there. They kept. They kept two stages up there high with the press running 55, running cover two from press.

Shannon Sharpe (9:35)

Why would I. Why would I not run 55 against Tua? Where are you going?

Chad Ochocinco (9:39)

You're right. You're right. I mean, like, you.

Shannon Sharpe (9:41)

But I bet you won't run that. I bet you won't run that against Lamar Jackson. You won't run that covered against Josh. Josh Allen, okay? Or Joy Jane Daniels, okay?

Chad Ochocinco (9:49)

Because when you're back turn, he gonna come right out the back door.

Shannon Sharpe (9:52)

And before you start right behind him.

Chad Ochocinco (9:53)

You notice he's gonna be 20 yards.

Shannon Sharpe (9:55)

Down the field, he touching you on your back. Turn around. I'm here. Like Ocho, all the things you spoke about, those are the mistakes that you make when you're 0 and through 0 and 2 about to be 03. You make boneheaded mistakes like that, you can't get out of your own way. As you mentioned, they played a. They played a perfect game. They got behind, came back. Okay. We got a ball game. We had didn't get blown out in the first half get. We gave ourselves a chance in the second half. And like I said, I don't know why ser would try to block that punt. Not in that spot. Oo, you had just scored a touchdown. You had just gone down the field. You take Buffalo and you make them go three and out and you try to block the punt.

Chad Ochocinco (10:36)

What? I mean, I don't know who the special team coach is. You should have told them. Don't even try to block it.

Shannon Sharpe (10:43)

Well, they had defense state. They had defense stay. Because that's the only reason he's on the field. So they would like so, you know, just to make sure they don't. They don't do anything tricky. I'm gonna keep my defense out there. Bring one returner back, somebody go off. But I got defensive state. Okay. Don't worry. Don't even worry about it. Because the worst thing can happen. You run into the guy and you. Well, they call it roughness because he didn't give him a chance to land. And really, they tried to protect the punter kicker from doing stuff like trying to protect them when they're up in the air like that, Ocho. But in that situation, the worst thing that could happen happened. But when you're owing. When you're owing to. Those are things, because you got to think, Ocho, how do we get to be 02? Yeah. Because it's not like they don't meet. It's not like they don't have talent.

Chad Ochocinco (11:28)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (11:28)

You make dumb plays at the most inopportune of times, and it puts you in a bind to all. Like Ocho said, all you got, you know where you want to go with the ball. Yeah. All you got to do is just once you do this where you think linebacker going.

Chad Ochocinco (11:44)

Guys along along with the safety. Anything, anything after that second level, wherever your eyes is, whichever way your helmet is facing, that is the way the safety is drifting.

Shannon Sharpe (11:53)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (11:54)

If you know it's a short throw, if you know the splits are already condensed, that means the linebacker ain't got that much that far to go.

Shannon Sharpe (12:00)

No, he already. Yeah, right there.

Chad Ochocinco (12:02)

Because everybody already tight line straight. Then when you're ready to throw, boom, look at the target. You go through that.

Shannon Sharpe (12:09)

That.

Chad Ochocinco (12:09)

You go through that. It's repetitive week in and week out, week in and week out. Like we. You know that I'm. I'm. I'm not a quarterback. Huh. But I just. I just know as a quarterback, you want to protect your receiver. How do you protect your receiver? By holding your eyeline. So it's not a bang bang blade.

Shannon Sharpe (12:26)

Right. There's. How did Hansel and Gretel get back home? They left breadcrumbs. You want that. You want that safety, that linebacker to follow you? Lee, drop them breadcrumbs, which is your eyes. He going. What you spoke. What you try to do, Ocho, is that if you wanted to flow one where you look that way, but then you throw the opposite way. Yeah. Because he's gonna go where you. You gonna go. Because normally it's. Now, unless you, Matthew Stafford, you throwing no look passes and stuff like that, now, that's. That's a whole different story. Oo but in this situation, it was really two plays that really undid what the Dolphins had done tonight because I thought they played really, really well. Tua didn't have big numbers. They did. Like I said, they did a great job of getting the ball out of Tua's hand.

Chad Ochocinco (13:14)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (13:16)

They didn't want to chance anything with that pass rush ruse. I think Russo and Bosa, they didn't want Epanessa. They didn't want to. They didn't want to take any chances. Ocho. So let's. Hey, three yards here, swing past there, five, seven yards. We're not holding this ball.

Chad Ochocinco (13:32)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (13:33)

Because the last thing we want to do is get trapped. Because normally, Ocho, what happens when Tua gets sacked? He doesn't have much grip strength.

Chad Ochocinco (13:40)

The ball comes out and a lot of people. A lot of people laughing. Oh to it. Listen, it was a great game plan. Great game plan. Mike McDaniel had a great game plan. Knowing how good that front four is, knowing you have to deal with Bosa. Okay, you know what? I'm not going to put Tua in a vulnerable position. Vulnerable position. We gonna condense the splits the whole goddamn game. They was 2, 3 yards inside the number. The whole game. The whole game. Why? Quick game, get it out. Boom. If they come, if they cut the receivers, get it to the. Get it to the. The back. Out the backfield.

Shannon Sharpe (14:15)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (14:15)

That's why everybody call him check down to a. Check down to. And no, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do, which is why he was so efficient without having any turnovers until it came later in the game.

Shannon Sharpe (14:26)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (14:26)

And the running game was one of the reasons why we had Success in being able to score 21 points. And we just. At the end of the game, I mean, you can't make those mistakes as a team. That's owing to. Everything has to be perfect. You want to be as perfect as possible as possible. And it just. I understand. Look at Siegler. You were your effort. It was the effort play. I'm trying to make a play for my team. But you got to know and understand the situation and have situational awareness. You're not going to. You're the tackle, young bull. You 200, 300 pounds. You're not going to get there to block that. But I appreciate the effort. Who we got? I think we got the jets next right at home.

Shannon Sharpe (15:05)

I think so.

Chad Ochocinco (15:06)

Yeah. Listen, I'm going. I get. Listen, I'm going on the limb right now. We gonna win this game. Cause I'm gonna be like. I'm gonna be like Gilly, I'm coming out the goddamn tunnel with the Dolphins. You hear me? I'm finna be the hype man in this game. That's enough of this shit. That's enough of this. I'm not dealing with this no more. I'm coming out the tunnel with the Dolphins. I. I don't care what Mike McDaniel say. I don't care what Stephen Ross say. They need me for team morale. They need me. I'm a hype they ass up. I'm going to give them the pep talk before we play the goddamn Jets. Shit.

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Shannon Sharpe (18:26)

Game reports surface about players being late to meetings. Having disciplinary issues has long been an issue under Mike McDaniels. Tardiness was an issue throughout last season. One current Dolphin player said he believed some captains the past season took advantage of their role. Ramsey and wide receiver Tyreek Hill, who were two of the eight players voted captains in 2024, were among the repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the season. Players were often late to practice, in meetings and with multiple team sources suggesting it reflected a lack of respect for judge for Mike McDaniel, who was hesitant to publicly admonish players outside of posting fines. However, one dog, one Dolphins player who played for McDaniel in Miami said that behavior was exclusive to the 2024 season and the issues arose when the team stopped winning games. Ramsey's behavior became a drain on the team morale, according to multiple sources, including current and former players who said this action vary from being late to team activities, to outright leaving practice. Player driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniel. His style is one of the current players described. It is laid back without. With being hands off. Former Dolphins players who played for McDaniel said the coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft.

Chad Ochocinco (19:52)

Man, winning cures everything, huh? I. I hate, I hate. I hate when stuff like this happens where you have a. You have a players coach that's a little bit lenient and he allows you to get away with stuff and all players aren't. Aren't treated equal. Huh? You. You know, that all aren't treated equal. Now, I, I understand some, some people obviously having that C on their chest, who you are, notoriety, being a veteran. But there are certain things that you just can't do, because when they see one person do it, then everybody else tries to do it, but everybody else know they can't get away with it based on who they are. And now, now that everybody's losing, now that we're losing, now everybody talking. When you're winning, it's quiet as a mouse. Ain't nobody saying nothing. Ain't nobody saying nothing now. Stuff is leaking out. Players that play for Mike McDaniel. When you get a players coach, a coach that's vulnerable, a coach that's fun, that's entertaining, that's, you know, very, like, very, very loose. Like, I'm trying to think, who can I compare? Like a. Like a Sean McVeigh? I'm not saying coaching style. I'm not saying coaching style. I'm just saying one that you can relate to. He ain't Tom Coughlin, he ain't Bill Parcels, if you know what I mean. So he's a little bit more lenient. And, you know, I guess you had some players that took advantage of that. And I'm not saying that the fact that players are taking advantage of it, why we losing? But some of those mistakes that's going on on the field, it's a part of discipline. Huh? That's a part of discipline. And when it comes to discipline, that also reflects the coaching. So when there's certain things you allow, like coming late and being tardy, it leaks onto the field. And that's what we seeing.

Shannon Sharpe (21:49)

They lack leadership. See? Come on, man. See, losing reveals character. You see, when I told you, when we first, first started talking to Mike Shanahan, told me something everybody. Oh, Shannon, shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, you never accept anything in A win you wouldn't in a loss. I promise you. Playing 14 years, Ocho, you played 11. Plus, you know, they did this when they was winning. They did the exact same thing you never tolerated on the win. What you wouldn't have lost if it was okay when you was winning. Why isn't it okay when you're losing? Because you've. You allowed them to establish the coaches, kind of coaches kind of like give you instructions of how we, the players, decide what to build. See, when you got a strong foundation, nothing will ever crumble. Your foundation wasn't strong. Your foundational pieces was not strong. Right. In their lives, you start to splinter instead of. I don't just the matter of fact that they said current and former players are talking, it just tells you to the egregiousness of it. Egregiousness of it. You know, you'll hear things, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco (23:16)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (23:16)

Ain't no report. I ain't breaking that. They gonna get mad. How you know, Shannon? How you know you not there? Now they talking. Now, this is what we know. Chat based on this over the last couple of years. When y' all say sources don't know what they're talking about. Y' all know they haven't done their homework. Somebody in that organization's talking. And it ain't just higher ups. It's players. Yeah, they're talking. And this is what happens when you put the wrong people in place. This is what you get. Remember I told you, Ocho, I've always tried to. When I played, I always tried to do the right thing because people was watching. They were watching because they're looking. Say, man, I can't wait. I get me by year eight, nine, and I get some and I play really well. That ain't what you want, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco (24:03)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (24:03)

You want your best players to be professional. Now, a pro and a professional are two different things completely. A professional is the task, is the job that you have a pro is how you do said job. The two different things. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not surprised. You're not surprised by the names that were mentioned? I just. I just hated that it's the names that's mentioned. I really do. I hate it. I hate it that the names that are mentioned because Jalen Rams just had a. Had a Hall of Fame career.

Chad Ochocinco (24:49)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (24:50)

Tyreek got a Hall of Fame career. Not a good look on neither one of them. Why, Ocho? That's what I don't get. Ocho when did. When was this a guy could just leave practice if this was being reported. Ocho is true. A guy. Ocho, did you ever have that A guy just left practice? Just leave. I told Ocho, just leave. Not injured. Just leave, man, forget this. I'm about here. Or a guy. I mean, I've heard guys just leave it, man. They get fair to get mad as frustrated and they leave.

Chad Ochocinco (25:21)

Just leave the building. When did that.

Shannon Sharpe (25:23)

Oh, so did that take place? You played. That must have came. When was that? Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (25:29)

You got to understand, we had a different. We had a different set of Willie. Wendy Ellison, Willie Anderson, you know, big, Big, Big Bobby.

Fred Curley (25:38)

They. They.

Chad Ochocinco (25:38)

Not they. Andrew Whitworth walking out of who practice. Brian Simmons, the KO Spikes walking out of what practice? Man, them dudes with a man. I'm saying me in general, as. As great as I was during that time, man, they would have yoked me up.

Fred Curley (25:54)

I'm being honest.

Shannon Sharpe (25:55)

I believe you. I believe. Yeah. If that's what should happen.

Chad Ochocinco (25:58)

Big Willie, man, please, man. Would it yoke me up, man, who the you think you is? No, now, we don't do that. It's already bad enough. We don't need you to be no distraction. Now, what you do on the field, that's one thing, you doing your job. But off of it at practice. Oh, no. I want no problem. I want no problem. Oh, no.

Shannon Sharpe (26:16)

Let me tell you what I think happened. They think Brian Flores was too far this way. And so what do you do? Instead of hiring somebody in the middle, you go too far that way, right? Look how much space is up in there, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco (26:30)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (26:31)

There's a lot of room for players to maneuver up in there.

Chad Ochocinco (26:34)

I got a question for you.

Shannon Sharpe (26:35)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (26:36)

You think players. Forget Jalen Ramsey and Tyree. You think players would have showed up late or walked out of practice with Brian Flores at the head?

Shannon Sharpe (26:44)

Hell, no.

Chad Ochocinco (26:45)

Goddamn right.

Shannon Sharpe (26:47)

You got absolutely not.

Chad Ochocinco (26:48)

A fool. A fool that. It's different kinds of coaches, different kinds of mentalities. Certain coaches, hell, he only have to say nothing. It just. It's just.

Shannon Sharpe (27:00)

They don't respect oral.

Chad Ochocinco (27:01)

It's just who he is, you know, not to play with him like that.

Shannon Sharpe (27:05)

Yeah, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (27:08)

Man. What we do? What's the answer? What's the answer? Give me your honest opinion. Give me. What do the Dolphin need to do? What do we need to do?

Shannon Sharpe (27:16)

They clean the house. They clean the house. They're gonna clean house.

Chad Ochocinco (27:20)

Slow down, slow down, slow down. Clean who?

Shannon Sharpe (27:22)

They're gonna clean house.

Chad Ochocinco (27:24)

You think so?

Shannon Sharpe (27:25)

Tyrese gone after this season. If not better. Trade deadline. They've already got rid of Jalen Ramsey. Yes. They're changing the culture. Am I going to be shocked. I'm surprised Mike McDaniel is still there, because when you say you finding players, obviously that has to come out of payroll. Obviously, you have to write it up, what they're being fined for. Why you. Why are you taking money from them? The general manager sees that.

Chad Ochocinco (27:54)

So you. You got to understand the situation that we Dolphins fans, myself, people, have been fans for this organization, me, since 1978. If you say we're cleaning house, we're basically hitting the reset button. And before we get a. A competitive team will be a very long time from now because you know how long it takes to rebuild yourself back up to be in a winning organization.

Shannon Sharpe (28:19)

Yep. You can't. You can't win with. You can't win with leaders like that, though. You can't. Can't win with leaders like that. I mean, I wish I can, you know, dress it up for you. Nice chat, but you can't. You can't. You have to have an extreme. If those guys. If those guys are your leaders. I'm talking about your main leaders.

Chad Ochocinco (28:46)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (28:53)

You think Tyreek did this with Andy Reid? Ram didn't do this with McVeigh either.

Chad Ochocinco (29:05)

Different culture, different coaches.

Shannon Sharpe (29:11)

But what. But. But why, Ocho, don't you want to win? You see, when I say guy, I see. I. Now, I tell you guys. Guys say they want to win, but do they really want to win? Are they doing the thing? Because it's just what you do, Ocho. You win Monday through Friday, you just play the game on Sunday. You win the game on Monday through Friday. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't. I.

Chad Ochocinco (29:40)

And I can't remember when these issues were arising. When these issues were happening, they actually were winning. That's when the issues occur. When you are winning and you understand what you get on Sunday, then the coaches are a little more lenient with some of the stuff away. We. We. We had the same issue in Pittsburgh. You already know what I'm talking about.

Shannon Sharpe (30:01)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco (30:04)

We didn't get to see that part until it came to a head where enough was enough.

Shannon Sharpe (30:12)

Production intolerance.

Chad Ochocinco (30:14)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (30:14)

As long as production is here.

Chad Ochocinco (30:16)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (30:16)

Tolerance can be here. Right. Tolerance would never outweigh production. When tyree was getting 1900 yards, you didn't hear a thing. You see how high his production was up there, too? He had 900 last year. Production dropped. Thomas was still up here. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right.

Chad Ochocinco (30:38)

We.

Shannon Sharpe (30:39)

We.

Chad Ochocinco (30:39)

We gotta get. We got to get me young bull in a. In a. In a. In a rightful situation so that he can flourish.

Shannon Sharpe (30:47)

Ocho. He came from a structured. Ocho. If you normally. When you come from a. If you go look at somebody in the military, more times than not. Not always. What, are they always on time?

Chad Ochocinco (31:00)

Yeah. Very, very disciplined. Huh? Very.

Shannon Sharpe (31:02)

Don't look at. And the way they keep their homes. Very tidy.

Chad Ochocinco (31:06)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (31:08)

So no matter. Even when they leave the military, they kind of still gravitate towards that. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco (31:14)

Very OCD in the general and just in the way they live.

Shannon Sharpe (31:18)

Yes, yes. So it's surprising to me. No, it's not. It's not. It's not. It's not surprising to me. Players say they want to win, but they actually think just winning the game is winning. You win in practice, you win in meetings. You winning the training room, you went in the meeting rooms. That's when you win. They just looking at winning on Sunday. That's not. That's not the only way you win. You win Monday through Friday. Yeah. That's when you win. I just don't get it. I don't. And I'm never gonna. You're not gonna make me understand because like I said, I mean, what. What do you got to do, Ocho? How are you late? I can see if you leave it once. Somebody that got two jobs, Ocho, and they run, they. Hey, they got off the one job late getting to the. I get it. I don't know. Another player that has another job, he got one job making 30 million. One guy making 22, 23 million, and you late.

Chad Ochocinco (32:28)

Oh, I've been late before. It wasn't. It wasn't a continuous occurrence, though. Yes, I could tell you what it was. It was a goddamn December and I opened the door and the snow everywhere. It took me forever to get out the goddamn parking lot.

Shannon Sharpe (32:45)

I get it. I. Look, everybody, I think is. I mean, I. I shouldn't say everybody, but most players have been late at least once.

Chad Ochocinco (32:53)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (32:55)

But I don't think what they're talking about is a. A once occurrence.

Chad Ochocinco (33:01)

Reoccurring.

Shannon Sharpe (33:02)

Yes, yes, Ocho. Like I said one time, hey, it ain't gonna happen. But see, that's what. That's how Mike was. Overweight. Might gonna hit you for 50 a pound. It's just what it is. You late to the meetings. Hey, you can pay the normal fine or you can pay it in cash in front of the team. The choice is Yours now. Tell you, Michael, get rid of you. Hey, you can't win. You can't. You can't win because you said you. You. You're fostering a culture that as the old guys start to move away, this is what you're going to be left with.

Chad Ochocinco (33:45)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (33:45)

And so that's what that. What. What do they always say, Ocho? You try to get the bad apple out because the bad apple will spoil the rest of the apples.

Chad Ochocinco (33:54)

But. But listen, sometimes your bad apple is also sometimes your best player.

Shannon Sharpe (34:00)

Yeah. And therein lies the problem.

Chad Ochocinco (34:04)

I said. I said sometimes.

Shannon Sharpe (34:05)

Yes, and therein lies the problem. Why? Why? Let me ask you a question. Why did the Patriots win so much? Who was their hardest worker?

Chad Ochocinco (34:13)

12.

Shannon Sharpe (34:15)

You see? You see the foundation that he laid?

Chad Ochocinco (34:17)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (34:18)

I'll guarantee you it's the same way in Kansas City. You go when you get your best players and they're the hardest workers. You, Michael Jordan, you, Kobe Bryant's, your. Your Josh Allens, your Patrick Mahomes, your Peyton Mannings, your Tom Brady's. It's easy to follow those guys.

Chad Ochocinco (34:37)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (34:38)

But you gotta have a strong You. That guy got to be strong.

Fred Curley (34:42)

And.

Shannon Sharpe (34:44)

Guys don't want to let guys like that down.

Chad Ochocinco (34:50)

Damn, man.

Shannon Sharpe (34:51)

It's bad. We knew it was bad. Oh, we knew it was bad.

Chad Ochocinco (34:55)

We knew it was bad. But what I.

Shannon Sharpe (34:57)

Not like this bad. Huh?

Chad Ochocinco (34:58)

Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (35:00)

I think we knew. Go ahead.

Chad Ochocinco (35:02)

I knew it was bad. I'm just saying, the way we played the night, the fight that we showed, the resilience that we showed that, you know, the whole world, they doubting us. Oh, y' all don't have. Y' all don't stand a chance. Y' all wouldn't get run out the stadium. Buffalo from the beach all headed. No, we played good competitive football with three mistakes. With three mistakes. And I hate to blame it, but that cost us a chance to tie the game. It cost us. It just did. Damn, man. I still got my tour jersey on, though.

Shannon Sharpe (35:39)

Yeah, I see.

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Shannon Sharpe (38:25)

Ocho we're gonna move along. Former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce says he thinks it's foolish to believe Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team, pierce said. This is unprecedented that we're seeing. I think it would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just the normal person. Tom Brady is elite of the elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in this game. It's hard for him to watch a few things on Friday's practice or hear things in production meeting and be like, and I have tidbits. You'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share those with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things.

Chad Ochocinco (39:07)

Those conversations don't matter. Tom Brady's a seven time super bowl winning quarterback. Six with the Patriots and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Him going to another team practice and sharing with the staff for the Raiders ain't helping. Because it means nothing. Once you touch the field and you have to execute. You have to execute. It comes down to X and nos, money or mano winning your individual matchup. Having a conversation about what I saw don't mean nothing. Matter of fact, small example. We watched Canelo spar. One of Canelo sparring partners was Jaron Boots Ennis. And then when it was time to fight another switch hitter and Bud Crawford, did it matter? It didn't matter.

Shannon Sharpe (39:54)

No, but what if they got intel? What if they got intel of what Bud was actually doing?

Chad Ochocinco (40:01)

I'm giving you a look on what you're going to see Sunday.

Shannon Sharpe (40:05)

No, no, no. I don't want. No look. I want to look. From what you're telling me, Jaron Boots Ennis is not. Is not Bud Crawford. So let me ask you. So let me ask you.

Chad Ochocinco (40:15)

Perfect. I'm glad you said that. Jerome Boots Ennis is not Bud Crawford. Tom Brady and Geno Smith. Tom Brady.

Shannon Sharpe (40:23)

No, what you telling.

Chad Ochocinco (40:25)

Whatever you information you give, it's not gonna work.

Shannon Sharpe (40:28)

So let me ask you a question. So if B. Mac. So if, If. If. Buzz Trainer. What? A, Ted Canelo's trainer. Okay. This is our strategy. That's not gonna help either, huh?

Chad Ochocinco (40:39)

Absolutely not. Because when you get in the ring, no matter what I tell you, still gotta execute the fight.

Shannon Sharpe (40:43)

Stop it, Ocho. Stop it. Stop it. You know that's not the case. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

Chad Ochocinco (40:49)

Wait, listen to me real quick. Listen to me real quick. You playing with the Denver Broncos, right?

Shannon Sharpe (40:53)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (40:54)

You play with them at Broncos?

Shannon Sharpe (40:55)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco (40:56)

And just say they got your playbook and you don't know it. They got your playbook and John away. Call the plan to huddle and you get to the line. You worried about them knowing what the.

Shannon Sharpe (41:07)

Play is that actually happened? Listen to me.

Chad Ochocinco (41:12)

You gonna get open no matter what.

Shannon Sharpe (41:14)

I ain't. Hey, I ain't got to tell you no. Speculation. It happened. The Tennessee Titans had our playbook.

Chad Ochocinco (41:21)

Did you get open that game?

Shannon Sharpe (41:23)

Hey, we made what we want that game, Ocho. I made one play. Jamal Lewis rushed for a touchdown. The defense took the game over. We couldn't do nothing offensively. They checked. They had a check for everything that we did. Every formation we got in, they had the perfect call. The only play that we made was the formation they had never seen before where we ran switch routes. I ran up, I was like, I was lined up in the slot and we crossed. I went up the rail and the outside guy went up. This went up. The other scene, I caught the go ball.

Chad Ochocinco (41:54)

They passed it off.

Shannon Sharpe (41:56)

Nope, they blew it.

Chad Ochocinco (41:58)

Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (41:59)

They stayed, both of them stayed inside and let me go around the rail scot free. I get it down to the one Jamar, run the ball in. We ain't do nothing after that because they had the playbook.

Chad Ochocinco (42:09)

Hey, listen, you cut from a different cloth. We think the same. We play the same, we talk the same. So the fact that you not agreeing with me on this, I wouldn't care what they know. I don't care what plays you know, I don't care what Tom Brady tell anybody. When I line up on that field. You finna get this fucking work. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Shannon Sharpe (42:30)

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Chad Ochocinco (42:31)

You finna get this work? My bad, my bad, my bad. Yo, you good this work. That don't mean nothing. That ain't no competitive advantage. Cause you still got. When the whistle blow, you still got to go out there and execute the X's and O's.

Shannon Sharpe (42:43)

Oh, Joe, if I know where you're going, I'm gonna be there before you get there.

Chad Ochocinco (42:46)

Should me.

Shannon Sharpe (42:47)

Come on, come on. That's how, that's why, that's why you don't ping your location. That's why you don't tell anybody. You don't want nobody to get the drop on you.

Chad Ochocinco (42:58)

Yeah, I just, I, I just, I'm just, Just a thought. I mean, just a thought. As a player, I bet, I bet you ask some of the young players right now, hey, Tom Brady is having a conversation, and they think it's a competitive advantage him being in the booth. I guarantee all the players right now, man, we don't care nothing about that.

Shannon Sharpe (43:14)

If that wasn't an issue, why did, why, why did the NFL not let him do it last year if it wasn't an issue or they thought it was an issue?

Chad Ochocinco (43:21)

I, I, I don't listen, you know, they.

Shannon Sharpe (43:23)

You said it wasn't an issue.

Chad Ochocinco (43:27)

No, I'm saying it the Powers that be that. That. The powers that be that like, to control everything. Everything that goes on. Like player socks. Would you wear? Of course they didn't want to do it. I'm doing it this year. Why? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Because you know. You know how they are. You know how they are.

Shannon Sharpe (43:44)

Yeah, we. We gonna always disagree on this.

Chad Ochocinco (43:47)

They micromanage every little thing. Every little thing. Oh, it's a competitive. Hey, it ain't. Because all the boys still got to get out there and line up.

Shannon Sharpe (43:57)

You do.

Chad Ochocinco (43:58)

If Tom Brady and I. Brady was actually playing in the game at quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders, now we got a problem. No, now we got. Now we got a problem.

Shannon Sharpe (44:09)

Belichick ain't played no games, but he sure did call a lot of great defenses and seemingly knew where everything was going to be.

Chad Ochocinco (44:15)

I mean, he had a lot of great players, too, to do it. He had the players.

Shannon Sharpe (44:18)

It doesn't matter. The players you told. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. You told me. It doesn't matter. You see what they did against. You see what they did against Seattle. They knew if they brought a certain defensive package in, what would Seattle do? Break a certain offensive package in, right? They brought a five, three in. They say, well, Seattle's gonna throw the football. I just think, look, it's gonna be 50, 50. They're going to be people that feel strongly like you do. They're going to be people that's on my side, feel strongly like I do. I'm surprised that they relented, because if that's true, what information can he get from a practice that he needs to help calling the game? You say he watched tape all week. So what does Friday practice do for him? He watched it on tape. So why does he need. Why does he need to be in production meetings?

Chad Ochocinco (45:16)

Yeah, we. We. I mean, to me, we making too much of it. We make it too much of it.

Shannon Sharpe (45:24)

Enough people.

Chad Ochocinco (45:24)

Go ahead.

Shannon Sharpe (45:25)

I think. I think enough people on both sides have strong opinions both ways. That's why. If it was. If it was like, you see how close they came for the tuck rule, getting the tuck rule out because you got people strong on both sides, it's fine. Nah, nah, That's a competitive advantage. So forth and so on. Because I remember you couldn't push the guy. You couldn't aid the runner. You couldn't push him and help him gain yards. Now you can. But I just think the thing is, is that Tom, it is definitely a situation where the NFL is gonna. Gonna. Gonna look back into it.

Chad Ochocinco (46:02)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (46:03)

All right, Ocho, we got a very, very special guest joining us. This guy's done something that very few track and field men in the track and field game has ever done. He's. He's one of the few men that has run sub 44 into 400 meters, run sub 19, 8 into 200 meters, run sub 980 in the hundred meters. He's a world champion in the 100 meters. He's an Olympic silver medalist in the. The 100 meters, and I think he won the. He's on the world relay relay team. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Fred. Curly. Fred, what's going on? Thank you. On mute. Fred, can you hear me? Yeah, we got. What's going on, bro?

Fred Curley (46:49)

Chilling, chilling, chilling. Can't complain.

Shannon Sharpe (46:53)

Let's start with this. You watch see it today. 47, 78, two women. I mean, think about it. You had to go to get on. Basically, to get on, you got to run one of the 10, 11 fastest times ever for a woman just to get on the podium. How impressive what you saw Sid do. Basically, she said, this year, I'm done with the hurdles. I'm not doing the hurdles. I'm focusing on the. The 4 flat with the. And her sole purpose is to take that world record down. Many thought was untouchable. How impressive, how impressed are you with what she's doing, Freddie?

Fred Curley (47:26)

I think it's crazy. It's something that I have not done and been done in 39 years and have somebody great as her to accomplish that is amazing. And I feel like she still can go faster. She's just still young and just the open four. Her baby is the 400 hurdles, but there's no telling what she can do in the open four. I feel like she can go even below what she did. I feel like she's still young at it. Her body's still. I feel like she can do some. Still can do some amazing stuff in that open 400 meters.

Shannon Sharpe (47:55)

You believe she can go sub 475.

Fred Curley (47:59)

I feel like she can go faster than that. I feel like. Yo, is. Is Sydney we talking about?

Shannon Sharpe (48:04)

Yes, yo.

Fred Curley (48:05)

So she got. She got talent that I don't think no woman on this earth have got or no woman have discovered yet. I feel like she. She's. She's amazing. So every time she touches track, it always have been a world record in her young, young days. So I feel like the sky's the limit, and I feel like she still Got. She still got a lot more in the tank. I feel like that 47 where she ran was a chill mode really.

Shannon Sharpe (48:31)

When you look at it Fred I think a part of it because they're talking now that maybe and Bobby Bobby Kerley he coached Flojo Gail Deers Gail divas was a two time Olympic 100 meter championship. We know what Flo Jo is. We don't need to say anything. Valerie Briscoe at the time she married Hooks and now she's Valerie Briscoe hook. She was the first to do the double the 42 in 84 in LA. Last time the Olympics were in LA guess what in 28 the Olympics gonna be in LA. Could you see Bobby Kersey go into the Olympic committee says look we want to do something unprecedented. I feel like they could do unprecedented is the 4 4.

Fred Curley (49:06)

I feel like she always can do anything. But hey if the.

Shannon Sharpe (49:09)

The.

Fred Curley (49:09)

The time frame presentable. I feel like any. No telling what the Olympic committee can do for any of us.

Shannon Sharpe (49:17)

Right? Right. You watch. I mean I. I don't know how much of the. Are you watching the. The world. The World championship.

Fred Curley (49:24)

I watch YouTube University or Twitter University. I get all the news when everything come on them channels. I'm not watching live.

Shannon Sharpe (49:33)

How. How surprised are you with the way Oblique Seville has run this year? Ended up winning the World Championship the 100 meters. He caught Kashane. Kashane always gets a great start. I was surprised how how easy Seville made it look. Noah got the bronze but Noah didn't have a whole lot of races handicap. What you saw and what you think happened.

Fred Curley (49:54)

I don't think I was so much surprised about the race. He been showing it since I raced him in Jamaica. He like it's all about peaking at the right moment. A lot of athletes, a lot of athletes have not raced in September. They in their season in Aug year. So every time you end your season early you don't get that extra boost. And what I saw in the 100 meters I feel like he was always capable of doing it. He just end up shorthanded. And this year he showed what it was. And for Noah I feel like I don't think he was so much concentrated on 100 this year. I think he was so much concentrated on the 200. He lost the 200 last year and I feel like he. He wanted his revenge. The 200 is baby. I feel like he want the 200 more than 100.

Shannon Sharpe (50:35)

I think so too to be a four time. I mean he's already three Peters so now he wants the four. Something that no man on the track has ever done. Well, you say. I think you saying it's done for 200. He got DQ'd. And I think he got DQ'd. And that was another one.

Fred Curley (50:49)

That was just 100.

Shannon Sharpe (50:51)

Yeah, yeah. Okay, let's. Let's talk about you.

Fred Curley (50:55)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (50:55)

You had a whereabout violation that you was possibly contesting. I don't know if you're still gonna.

Fred Curley (51:01)

I'm still, I'm still contesting. I ain't doing no wrong. So my people still fighting for all that.

Shannon Sharpe (51:07)

Okay. But they said you're the first. If I'm not mistaken, track and field athlete to be a part of the Enhanced Games.

Fred Curley (51:13)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (51:13)

And enhance means break a world record with the enhancing. I mean, obviously on the protocol, if you're trying to fight to say, well, you know what? I did nothing wrong. This was just a whereabout. I mean, I'm sorry I didn't give you say. I was. I was in Miami and I was supposed to be in la or I was in the Bahamas and I was supposed to be over here. Why would you, why would you take this there? Why would you do the Enhanced game?

Fred Curley (51:36)

Come test me. You know what I'm saying? Come test me. I'm not tripping. You can come to my house any second, any minute, any hour, come text me. I'm not worried about no missteps, no nothing. Come test me. I've been clean my whole entire career. You should come text me. Only thing by signing up to this game, make money, protect my future. Equity is everything. Ownership is everything for me. And they did the exact job I got. Ownership and a lot of track athletes, when they get done with this sport, they don't got nothing to go home to. I've been to two Olympic Games and been world champion, right? So it's for me, my understanding is I. I got. I got family to feed, right? I'm going home. You know what I'm saying? Guess what if I go call somebody, ask to tell me, give me 200k, you go get a job. I ain't never had no job, you know what I'm saying? Only thing I know is my feet running, run. You know what I'm saying? So nobody going to tell me how to make money and protect my. My family, my bloodline depending on me. I'm the first one to make it out. And my, My whole job is continue to. If I make $100 million, I'm going to continue to make $100 million. Each and every year. So my whole job is to protect my bloodline.

Shannon Sharpe (52:44)

So explain to me, tell me this fre. So tell me how the whereabouts do you. Okay, so you give them locations of where you're going to be, they call you, or do you put something in right at the beginning of the year, it says, okay, this is my, I have a residency here in Texas. I have a residency in Florida. And I have X, Y and Z. So how did the whereabouts, how does this work?

Fred Curley (53:02)

So whereabouts is basically we fill it out each quarter. They gotta know all your location, they gotta know if I'm here where, they gotta know everywhere. So, so this basically every quarter you fill out where you're gonna be. But the problem with that, you never know where you're going to be.

Shannon Sharpe (53:18)

Okay.

Fred Curley (53:18)

Life is life. So it's just like you just gotta give them an hour. They come after hours. Sometimes they come when they want to. Simple as that. So basically for me, it just feel like I'm in prison. My dad been in jail. My dad, my dad been in prison. He's still on parole. He don't got to do half of the I'm doing to maintain a paycheck.

Chad Ochocinco (53:39)

Hey, yeah, hey, Fred. That basically, that's the same thing with us in the off season, huh? It don't matter where you are, they'll always have a test where you at.

Shannon Sharpe (53:47)

Yes, man.

Chad Ochocinco (53:48)

I, I, I don't like that. It don't matter. We a, a Fred, right? Remember one, one off season, it might have been after that 2005, 2006 season, it didn't matter where I was.

Fred Curley (53:58)

See. Yo, but you know the problem, the problem with football and track, y' all still maintain y' all contract.

Chad Ochocinco (54:05)

Okay, okay, okay.

Fred Curley (54:05)

We don't, no, no.

Shannon Sharpe (54:08)

Oh, so, so in other words, you.

Fred Curley (54:10)

Once you get defended, you get, you get no money. Like USATF spend my medical stuff. So what, what's somebody like me like? I'm gonna go get money regardless, you.

Shannon Sharpe (54:21)

Know what I'm saying?

Fred Curley (54:22)

Like we don't get nothing like track, Track and field, not paying me sponsorship, paying me. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Shannon Sharpe (54:28)

So, any of your endorsements?

Fred Curley (54:31)

I've got no endorsements. So what people talking about is make money at all costs and protect my kids.

Shannon Sharpe (54:38)

Wow.

Fred Curley (54:38)

So I don't care, I don't care what nobody say they not feeding. None of them. They're not even feeding me.

Shannon Sharpe (54:45)

So let me ask you this. You said you want a chance to push your limits. So you say they can come test you now, you know, if you Take part of this, Fred, you're probably going to get a lifetime ban.

Fred Curley (54:56)

Yo, yo, guess. Hey, guess what? It's someone happening. Go and do what you got to do. Hey, just like they got people, I got people and I'm blessed and I'm highly favored of the man above.

Chad Ochocinco (55:11)

I like it.

Shannon Sharpe (55:12)

Do you, do you think if you were to go, go ahead and, and take this process, how do you think Fred Curley is going to be remembered? Because like I said, Fred, there's not a whole lot of men. I mean, you're an NCAA champ. You went to the, you the 400.

Fred Curley (55:29)

I'm still in the 200. I was still in the testing pool.

Shannon Sharpe (55:32)

Okay.

Fred Curley (55:32)

I'm still in the regular government body testing pool.

Chad Ochocinco (55:35)

Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (55:36)

So let me ask you a question. Do they do blood? They do blood and urine?

Fred Curley (55:39)

They do both. I just got a piss test today. I'm not tripping.

Chad Ochocinco (55:45)

Yeah, you're gonna be good. You're gonna be good. You're gonna be good.

Shannon Sharpe (55:47)

See the problem?

Fred Curley (55:48)

You see the problem? I feel like the problem is they scared to pay the athletes, you know what I'm saying? So they, they can't control us when you're trying to make other form of income, you know what I'm saying? So if they can't control what you got in your pocket, how did it sell them that? You got the coaches and stuff making more than the athletes?

Shannon Sharpe (56:07)

Wow.

Fred Curley (56:08)

You got agent making more than the athletes. You got president making more than the athletes. Are they protecting the athletes? You got athletes that can get sponsorship? You got athletes that working the job to maintain their livelihood.

Shannon Sharpe (56:27)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (56:28)

So at the end of the day, it's protecting myself because they don't care about me. It don't matter how much money I make with endorsements, that stuff end.

Shannon Sharpe (56:37)

Right.

Fred Curley (56:38)

And without endorsing we not surviving.

Chad Ochocinco (56:42)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (56:43)

So let. So what's, what's a. What's routine pay for a Diamond league? They say, well, Fred, we want you to come contest the 100 meters. What, what, what, what does a Fred Curly get? What does it got? Obviously, Usain boat was a special circumstance.

Fred Curley (56:56)

I feel like every year been different. Everything been like. I can't tell you on a day to day, or it's wherever the meat got or whatever the meat think is the main event of that championship.

Shannon Sharpe (57:09)

Oh, okay.

Fred Curley (57:10)

So I can't like every, every meat is not the same.

Shannon Sharpe (57:13)

Right?

Fred Curley (57:14)

Like, only thing that might be the.

Shannon Sharpe (57:15)

100, it might be the hurdles, it might be the 200, it might be the 400. Okay.

Fred Curley (57:20)

I'm an American. So America live different for Europeans, okay? Like, we gotta live. You know what I'm saying? Nobody coming to. Nobody coming to my rescue and ask me if I got this or got that. Like, nobody care. Like, they. People gonna live on a regular life if I go, go dead broke right now. If I, if I go, oh, no, I don't got it. So it's protect my future, protect my kids. You know what I'm saying? My legacy. My legacy. I did everything in this sport. I'm still doing everything in this sport.

Shannon Sharpe (57:53)

So let me ask you this. You still, you say you're still in, you're still in the testing pool. So now you didn't go to the world. So let me. Are you still training? So what, so what, what is it now? What, what do you do now? Because basically, I don't know if there's anything after the world, and so the season's basically over. Do. Are you getting ready for next. Are you gonna do the indoors?

Fred Curley (58:12)

So world. So world. So I, I, I'm not, I'm suspended right now. Previous suspended. So they, I'm still texting.

Shannon Sharpe (58:19)

Okay.

Chad Ochocinco (58:20)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (58:20)

So I'm not basically banned as yet, but they suspended me for competition.

Shannon Sharpe (58:25)

Okay.

Fred Curley (58:26)

So. Right. My lawyer's fighting, fighting that. So right now I. Forever retraining. I'm an athlete. So you just never stop doing what you do just because of this. You never know. You always got to be prepared for what's. What's coming, friend.

Shannon Sharpe (58:41)

Let me ask you this. Why did you. I mean, you're a great 400. You're great. You, you are a great. You was on pace to be one of the greatest 400 meters. What made, what made you decide to go to the. What made you decide to drop down and do the hundred?

Fred Curley (58:55)

See, like, the 2019 actually changed everything. My coach left me in 2019 to go get a degree overseas. 2020, I was without a coach. 2021, I was allowed to coach until like, a couple of. That's when I moved to Miami and started training with coach Joey. And I was still doing 400 training. But a 400 training, you got, you got to have somebody there just to push you. The 400 just started getting born. And then all of a sudden, I'm just like, let me just try this. My ankle got rolled and stuff, and then I was running on the hurt leg. And that's when God blessed me. I said, I don't know what's next. And then that's when the hundred just came out. Ran 100 at me. I mean, attract Me in Florida. And that's when the repetition started becoming easy. And that's when I dropped my first nine. I'm like, I'm going to the Olympics. Yeah. I'm running the 100 at the Olympics this year.

Shannon Sharpe (59:53)

Right.

Fred Curley (59:53)

And a lot of people questioned me, around me, even my coach questioned me at the time. But at the end of the day, I'm always going to believe in myself, my self ability. I won't get into something if I know I'm not going to be good at it.

Shannon Sharpe (60:06)

Because we, it's, it's rare now. We see people do the four, drop down to the two because of the strength training. So you're really good. We see people do the two, drop down to the 100. I think. What was the guy, he went to LSU, Zavier. He won the 400. 100.

Fred Curley (60:23)

Yeah, he won.

Shannon Sharpe (60:24)

He won the four and the one and, and the SEC at LSU.

Fred Curley (60:28)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (60:28)

And so he's having a promise. So I didn't, I. I don't know if I've ever seen anybody do what you've done, but it's the times that's most impressive. To go sub 44 to go sub 19, 8 to go sub 9, 8.

Fred Curley (60:41)

Like for me.

Shannon Sharpe (60:42)

Do you know anybody else that's ever done that?

Fred Curley (60:44)

Oh, yeah, I do.

Shannon Sharpe (60:47)

Besides yourself?

Fred Curley (60:49)

No, I don't know nobody. But for me it's just like, it's all about. People tell me I can't. I hate the word I can't. That will make me want to do it even more. Oh, you can't do this. You can't do that. Oh, you like I heard that. Plenty of time when I'm younger. So that's why I'm gonna go do it.

Chad Ochocinco (61:07)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (61:08)

And every time somebody say I can't, I've been successful and hey, you know what I'm saying? So I can't complain about what God gave me in my heart to do. He pushed me to greater things. So when somebody say I can't, that's when I'm going to do it. Just like I would Moss on Ocho Cinco. Right now.

Chad Ochocinco (61:29)

Hold on, hold on. Hey, hey. You know why you ran sub 44, right?

Shannon Sharpe (61:34)

Well, you chasing it.

Chad Ochocinco (61:35)

No. Ask him who he trained with.

Fred Curley (61:37)

Yo, that was yo. These came to the track like one or two times.

Chad Ochocinco (61:41)

That's who he trained with. Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (61:44)

You. You be driving the phone.

Chad Ochocinco (61:45)

Hey. Flew by. Flew by him.

Fred Curley (61:49)

He started training for boxing because I beat him so bad.

Chad Ochocinco (61:53)

Hey. Oh, hey. Flew by. He was like, I know you was that fast to be this old. I was like, yeah, I'm like that.

Shannon Sharpe (61:59)

So if this, if this band is lifted, I don't think there's anything next year but the USAs. And then there's the Worlds in the 27, and then you got the Olympics in 28. So what. What is your immediate plans?

Fred Curley (62:14)

I'm still running. I'm still running. I got a salary, okay? Yo, I. I got a salary. I got equity in the company. So I'm still running and still run freely. You know what I'm saying? You can't. People can't deny me of my success.

Shannon Sharpe (62:29)

Like.

Fred Curley (62:29)

Like I said, I ain't really missed no test. All the missteps I missed, I would add track meet.

Shannon Sharpe (62:36)

Okay?

Fred Curley (62:37)

So I'm not caring about none of what people say, but people got to go into the details and stuff. See, they not popping people on drugs. They popping people with whereabouts.

Shannon Sharpe (62:46)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (62:46)

So they not really doing their job. And guess what? I got drug tested the next day after no m test. I'm not caring about no mist. I know what.

Shannon Sharpe (62:56)

What.

Fred Curley (62:57)

What's really going down. And we explain to them, too. Just because I'm a. Just because.

Shannon Sharpe (63:05)

Go ahead, Frank. Go ahead. Sorry to cut you off. Go ahead.

Fred Curley (63:08)

That's because like. Like I have. I had a rough year and I can't complain. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like. Just gotta do better.

Shannon Sharpe (63:20)

Is it a situation? They don't give you a heads up. They just need you, so they call.

Fred Curley (63:24)

You, say an hour before is no cause.

Shannon Sharpe (63:28)

Oh, they just pop up.

Fred Curley (63:30)

Yeah, there's no cause. None of that.

Chad Ochocinco (63:32)

They gotta. They gotta tell you. See, at least they let us know.

Fred Curley (63:35)

It's none of that. It's none of that.

Chad Ochocinco (63:38)

That's not fair.

Fred Curley (63:39)

It's none of that. See, the problem is track and field. Are you not making no money? That's how they make the money. That's why UFC dropped them.

Shannon Sharpe (63:51)

Yeah, the drug test. Yeah, yeah, the other test.

Fred Curley (63:53)

So they said. So they not really doing their due diligence and stuff with everything.

Shannon Sharpe (64:01)

You. I heard you keep saying Americans, Americans. Do you feel that this system is set up to catch Americans while others countries possibly. Because everybody don't test like that like the American.

Fred Curley (64:11)

Right now I feel like we live in a time where that pete, like the OGs and stuff back in the day, it up for us. Sorry for cussing, but they messed it up for us.

Shannon Sharpe (64:24)

Okay, how so?

Fred Curley (64:25)

You already know just the OG messed.

Chad Ochocinco (64:27)

It up for us.

Fred Curley (64:28)

Like, okay, so I don't. I don't. I Don't. I don't care about getting tested. You can test me every day, every minute of the hour. So it's just like, OG messed it up for us.

Shannon Sharpe (64:37)

So in other words, it's like those guys were like, well, I wasn't there, and I'm sorry. And so that's why they put the whereabout clause in. Because when they wanted to test, guys say, well, I was over here, I was over there. So now they make y' all every quarter. So every three months, you guys got to feel like, well, I'm gonna be in Miami and I'm gonna be in la. I'm gonna be in Texas, I'm gonna be in Georgia.

Fred Curley (64:56)

No, no, we gotta give them every address. If I go out to eat, I gotta put that address in. Like, right now. I gotta put this address. Every minute they can show up at.

Shannon Sharpe (65:04)

Oh, no, come on, now. They doing too much now, y'.

Fred Curley (65:06)

All. Yo, I'm telling you, it's like we in prison. Like, you got every hour, every. Everywhere you go, you gotta do the training block. You gotta give them an hour. If you leave the house, go down the street. Hey, they gotta know everything. And that's what people don't realize. Like, I don't care. You can come and test me anytime. But, like, filling this stuff out every minute, every second, it's just like, bro, y' all doing too much, that invading privacy and stuff, too. When we go overseas, we got to fill out every minute, every second, everywhere. You know? I'm saying, everywhere you go. If I go to a funeral right now, they gotta know where I'm at at the funeral. People popping. People popping up at restaurants to test us. People popping up at airport to test us.

Chad Ochocinco (65:51)

Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (65:52)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (65:52)

So it's basically like we in a plantation.

Shannon Sharpe (65:56)

Wow.

Fred Curley (65:56)

And the outside world don't know what's actually going on because you got people that actually own the stuff but never getting caught because they're getting paid off. You got active cases right now in track and field that USADA and Water is not doing nothing about because they're getting paid off.

Shannon Sharpe (66:17)

Oh, damn. That's a pretty strong accusation, Fred.

Fred Curley (66:20)

There's no accident. It's the facts, is the facts. Simple as that. And they know it. They got cases going on right now. You can come and text me any day of the week. And I'm not tripping. I can show you. My, my, my. Yo, we get. Every time we do a drug test stuff, come to my phone. Negative, negative, negative, negative. I'm not tripping.

Shannon Sharpe (66:45)

Have you thought about transitioning to football. You won't get it tested as much.

Fred Curley (66:49)

No, baseball is guaranteed money, Fred, you.

Shannon Sharpe (66:54)

Ain'T played basketball in 20 years. You ain't finna hear no P. I've been playing. Yo, I don't got the.

Fred Curley (66:59)

Yo, I can play.

Shannon Sharpe (67:00)

What you go, Fred. What position you gonna play, Fred?

Fred Curley (67:03)

Center field.

Shannon Sharpe (67:05)

You know they hit. They hit in center field, right?

Fred Curley (67:08)

Yeah. Yo, you know my speed. I know how to catch.

Chad Ochocinco (67:11)

You can.

Fred Curley (67:11)

Hey, I know you here somewhere in this county where I'm at. You can come check me out.

Chad Ochocinco (67:17)

Hold on. You can hit the ball?

Fred Curley (67:19)

Yes, I can hit the ball. No, I'm not. I'm not in Miami. I'm talking to.

Chad Ochocinco (67:25)

I was gonna say let go to.

Fred Curley (67:26)

The batting cage this weekend.

Chad Ochocinco (67:29)

Are you gonna be here? Yeah. Oh, you know, I was. I was a 5:2. Like, you know, they were trying to rap.

Fred Curley (67:34)

Yo, you said you're good at everything.

Chad Ochocinco (67:36)

No, I'm. I promise. I promise. No, the Marlins tried to draft me in 97 out of high school.

Fred Curley (67:41)

Y' all Florida. Y' all Florida guys.

Shannon Sharpe (67:43)

Y' all gotta stop.

Chad Ochocinco (67:45)

For real, Fred. That's like when I beat you when we was out there training, like, you.

Shannon Sharpe (67:48)

Was like, I know. I know. One of the greatest runners in America. I know you ain't let this man come off the street and beat you, Fred. Yo, did.

Fred Curley (67:55)

Yo you talk about Ocho? Hey, he thinks he good at everything.

Shannon Sharpe (67:59)

You see, he thought he was about.

Fred Curley (68:00)

To get a soccer ticket, too. Look at him. You good at everything, man.

Chad Ochocinco (68:05)

Be honest, Unc, right here, now, I didn't. I didn't beat you when we ran 250s.

Fred Curley (68:09)

I ain't never doing on 215 training in years, so. What you talking about?

Chad Ochocinco (68:13)

What we was doing that day.

Shannon Sharpe (68:15)

How.

Fred Curley (68:15)

What were we doing?

Chad Ochocinco (68:16)

I think. What, 150? We were doing something.

Fred Curley (68:18)

What were you doing?

Chad Ochocinco (68:19)

I ran it with you. I don't know.

Shannon Sharpe (68:21)

What were you doing?

Chad Ochocinco (68:22)

I blew by your ass. I know that.

Shannon Sharpe (68:24)

Yeah.

Fred Curley (68:24)

I just want to know what we're doing.

Chad Ochocinco (68:26)

I can't remember.

Fred Curley (68:30)

Hey, we. We can lining up this weekend.

Chad Ochocinco (68:32)

Oh, hey, I got my camera ready.

Fred Curley (68:34)

Well, bring your camera out.

Chad Ochocinco (68:35)

I've been training. I don't. You've been training?

Fred Curley (68:38)

Hey, you just. I train every day. Yeah, you probably be like your glasses lopsided when I get done with you.

Chad Ochocinco (68:44)

Okay? Okay. Keep that same energy. Matter of fact, I feel so good. I give you 5 meters.

Shannon Sharpe (68:49)

Huh?

Chad Ochocinco (68:50)

Huh? If you can hide, I give you.

Fred Curley (68:53)

99 meters, and we going 100 meters.

Shannon Sharpe (68:57)

What? What you running, Ocho? You want to be the 40. You want 40? 60, 100, 200, 400.

Chad Ochocinco (69:03)

You know what?

Shannon Sharpe (69:04)

I'm.

Chad Ochocinco (69:04)

I don't want to handicap him. I want to give him a chance to actually try to catch up. So I'm. We'll go, we'll go 80 meters.

Fred Curley (69:10)

80 meters. How much?

Chad Ochocinco (69:12)

Yo, the first four. The first, the first 60 you done, you ain't. Ain't no chance. The first.

Fred Curley (69:16)

You can't even be to.

Chad Ochocinco (69:19)

Hey, that's my dog. That's my dog.

Fred Curley (69:20)

You can't even beat to.

Chad Ochocinco (69:22)

That's my dog. But listen, I'm a different horse. I'm a different thoroughbred. I mean, the fact I, I beat you. You are a world class athlete. You're a world class sprinter, and I smoked you. And I'm just being honest in front of the people. The world need to know. I, I didn't say that.

Fred Curley (69:41)

The world need to know that you the biggest cap in the history of sports.

Chad Ochocinco (69:45)

I ain't even got no. I got a cap right here. That's about it.

Shannon Sharpe (69:51)

Fred, we're gonna get you out of here on this one handicap. The 200 force. You got. Hey, you got Noah. The Jamaican ran really good today. He. He broke it down, but he looked really good. And then you got. Obviously you got to Bogo. You got Kenny Banerk. How you see the podium?

Fred Curley (70:11)

The podium, I feel like Noah's gonna take it to Bogo second in Jamaican third.

Shannon Sharpe (70:18)

Wow. Wow.

Fred Curley (70:21)

Because I believe. But I believe somebody's injured in. Out of three of them. So I don't know. They. Three of them look injured, but hey, you never know.

Chad Ochocinco (70:33)

So you could tell, you could tell they injured by just by watching.

Fred Curley (70:38)

Yeah, I'm an athlete. I'm like a track athlete. So you can tell, like, you can tell people forcing their runs and stuff too.

Chad Ochocinco (70:46)

Right? Right.

Fred Curley (70:47)

Ah, so, yeah, so those are four people gonna be on the podium regardless, but you never know.

Shannon Sharpe (70:55)

Right? Right. So you think, you think. And you.

Fred Curley (70:58)

I think Noah's gonna, Noah's gonna take it because I feel like he got something to prove and because what happened last year, but you never know to Bogo, a sneaky mother.

Chad Ochocinco (71:13)

Man.

Shannon Sharpe (71:13)

Noah came out with the shorts today. I don't think I've ever seen Noah running shorts normally runs in the singlet now.

Fred Curley (71:19)

No one would be running the shorts, but I feel like he got something to prove, so.

Shannon Sharpe (71:22)

He does.

Fred Curley (71:22)

I feel like. Feel like we gonna see some, some nasty stuff in Tokyo in a couple of hours.

Shannon Sharpe (71:29)

Wow. So you think, you think he's still seething from losing that 200 in the Olympics getting the bronze because he really wants to go. I mean, the gold medal. I think the gold. But like you said, the 200 is his baby. And he has yet to get the metal. He stand. Stand the top of the podium at the Olympics. And so he's like coming back. Look here.

Fred Curley (71:49)

He got. He's got something to prove. Like he got something to prove. And definitely in the deuce, I feel like he got something to prove. And I feel like he gonna show the world what Noah's always been Noah. So I feel like he got something to prove in the two. But Tobogo always sneaky. He probably. He probably faking like he got injured and just show up.

Shannon Sharpe (72:11)

What, what kind of time you think you're looking at? What, what, what is he going. If. I mean, in 1950, he ran 1951, which was the world lead. I feel like they go, they're gonna.

Fred Curley (72:20)

Be between 1903 and 19 7.

Shannon Sharpe (72:23)

Wow.

Fred Curley (72:24)

I feel like you're gonna be something fast.

Shannon Sharpe (72:26)

Wow. Wow.

Fred Curley (72:30)

Gonna be something fast. And I won't be surprised, 19:2, but I feel like 19:3 to 19:7, those are going to be the winning times.

Shannon Sharpe (72:37)

You think they're in that kind of condition?

Fred Curley (72:39)

I feel like, hey, just. That's his last race of the year. He did what he got to do. And they got. Did some of them probably jaws some of the races. I feel like history always be determined when championship come. The real dog come at championship and no approval over the years, he always show up. So he probably gonna show up.

Shannon Sharpe (72:58)

How you like the women? Sharika Jackson look good. She ran 20, 21.99. You got MJ Melissa Jefferson.

Fred Curley (73:07)

I feel like Melissa gonna win the 200. Hey, she set some people up this year, so, like, I can't like, my. My one is like, that's her. You know what I'm saying? The other two, Sharika probably be on the podium. And the third, I don't. I don't know about the third because it's all over the place. Because you got some faces that fighting just to run some of them times in the semifinal.

Shannon Sharpe (73:36)

Right? All right, Fred, thanks for joining us tonight. We wish you the best of luck in your appeal of the suspension. Whatever your endeavors are, we wish you the best of luck, man. Stay healthy and come back and join us soon.

Fred Curley (73:48)

Yes, sir. Appreciate it.

Shannon Sharpe (73:49)

Appreciate you, bro. Yeah. Fred Curley joins us tonight. He's a. He's a very unique athlete. Oo, as I said before, to run sub 44. To run sub 19 8. To run sub 98. He he, he's special. He's special. And to drop down from the 4 all the way down to the 100. Like I said, we've seen him drop down from 4 to 2. We've seen guys go 2 to 4, go to 2 to 1. But we've seen guys do 4, 8, but we've never seen. I mean, to do this and do it at this level, that's, that's one thing, which, I mean, doing it is one thing. Doing it at that level is something entirely different. So hopefully everything works out for him and he'll be back running soon. I didn't know all the things, what he's saying, you know, about all the showing up and the testing and not making anything, not making any money. I didn't know anything about that. But I'm glad we were able to figure this, get this thing done.

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