Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Brown SABOTAGING Shedeur + Shilo EJECTED + Rashan Gary joins

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 — Unc & Ocho React to Brown "Sabotaging" Shedeur + Shilo Ejected + Rashan Gary Joins

Date: August 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Unc)
Co-host: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)
Guest: Rashan Gary (Green Bay Packers)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 1 dives deep into the fallout from Cleveland Browns’ preseason QB competition — focusing on Shedeur Sanders’ difficult outing, skepticism about the Browns’ intentions, and Kevin Stefanski’s coaching decisions. Shannon and Ocho passionately break down the context and why Shedeur struggled, examining whether the Browns are setting him up to fail. The episode also covers Shilo Sanders’ ejection for throwing a punch, with sharp commentary on NFL discipline, before welcoming Packers’ Pro Bowler Rashan Gary for a wide-ranging interview on his camp, leadership, film study, and Packers expectations.

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Main Discussion: Shedeur Sanders’ Preseason Performance

The Situation (04:44 – 06:57)

• Shedeur Sanders’ Statline: 3/6, 41 yards, took five sacks and fumbled.
• Context: Entered in the third quarter behind an offensive line composed mostly of players unlikely to make the 53-man roster.

Shannon’s Take (05:24)

• Argues the coaching was "sabotaging" Shedeur by not adapting play-calling to a weak offensive line:

  “Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast… But no, you come out calling regular officer plays that are very long. Damn near play action. Knowing good and goddamn well the O-line... are not going to be able to hold up” (05:24, Shannon)

• Emphasizes Shedeur needed a fair opportunity:

  “Give your quarterback a chance... Let's play quick game just to get Shedeur in a goddamn rhythm. But no...” (05:41, Shannon)

• Criticizes the decision to pull Shedeur before the two-minute drill, not letting him redeem himself:

  “I want the last thing for people to remember is the mistakes and the sacks... not give him a chance to redeem himself.” (07:59, Shannon)

Ocho’s Reaction (09:15)

• Agrees entirely with Shannon, noting the O-line’s inadequacy:

  “You can’t expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons. They use drones now... If you want me to fight, give me the weapons.” (09:15, Chad)

• Notes Shedeur holds the ball too long, but secondary issues created by play design and lack of receiver separation:

  “That’s always been his knock... He holds on to the ball too long. You’re not going to make every play.” (19:14, Chad)

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Did the Browns Set Up Shedeur to Fail? (09:15 – 13:00, 21:24 – 23:59)

• Key Claim: Browns’ coaching and situational usage did not set Shedeur up for success.

  “If you [believed] he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do.” (23:08, Chad)

• Pattern Recognition: Shannon draws from his own NFL experience:

  “If he did this with some backups, let’s see if we put it with the ones and twos… see if he can compete against guys that we know gonna be there on Sunday.” (25:18, Shannon)

• Concerns Raised: Could the Browns already have made a decision to move on, never giving Sanders meaningful first or second-team reps despite earning them?

  “What scares me is… going to another team… will teams be willing to deal with someone with the last name Sanders… that brings the kind of attention to a team that he does…” (21:24, Shannon)

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Kevin Stefanski’s Explanation & NFL Reaction (15:08 – 17:41)

• Shannon & Ocho review Stefanski’s postgame explanation for not letting Shedeur run the two-minute drill — citing a desire to give Snoop Huntley one last drive instead.

• Both remain unconvinced, seeing it as a questionable choice:

  “A blind man can see that… For those in the chat, I’m not making excuses for Shedeur. He played bad, based on the circumstances in the situation he was put in…” (16:12, Shannon)

• Outside Input: Read tweets from Derek Carr and fans criticizing the coaching decisions and inconsistency in play calling.

  “Derek Carr: Why don’t we get to see Shedeur run this two minute drill?... Wouldn’t you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation? Get him more reps for the future.” (17:06, Chad reading Carr)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ocho on unfair expectations:
  “If you want me to win a modern game, and you’re giving me old time... that won’t work.” (09:15)
• Shannon on what most fans miss:
  “Most that are hating too, they don’t watch football. They don’t understand the ins and outs.” (26:46)
• Ocho on his football-watching philosophy:
  “This is why I watch the game with no sound. I don’t want someone to contaminate my mind… Also, the reason why I watch — fans are only interested in the end result. I’m trying to figure out why we got said result.” (28:05)
• Shannon draws from his rookie year:
  “I’m inserting myself because I was in a situation like Shedeur... I played good in the preseason, guess what — next thing I know, hey, 80, you with the ones and twos today.” (24:51)

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Guest Segment: Rashan Gary Joins (35:55 – 54:23)

Rashan Gary on Packers Preseason & Personal Growth

• Mindset entering season:

  “Going into year seven, it’s one of the healthiest camps that I have… just time to put it on display.” (36:58, Rashan)

• Leadership evolution:

  “It’s crazy… got rookies coming in, talking about, ‘I used to watch you before my high school games’... I’m really a lead by example, and if I need to speak, I get there.” (40:54, Rashan)

• Film study and inspiration:

  “I like throwing on Julius Peppers… Tom Ali... Justin Houston... Nowadays, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett, T.J. Watt... but I’ve been doing a lot of watching myself.” (45:38, Rashan)

• On being a veteran in Green Bay:

  “When young guys come up to me… I’m able just to keep it real because I had a good OG.” (41:06)

• Building his sports agency:

  “Going to Michigan… actually got to talk about life after football… how can I stay around the game… give to young guys in positions I wish I had growing up... leave a legacy.” (50:54)

• Packers’ key to win the division:

  “We just gotta play Packers ball… be consistent and have the mindset to go 1-0 every week.” (52:24, Rashan)

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Shiloh Sanders Ejected: Reaction & NFL Discipline (54:25 – 62:00)

• The Incident: Shiloh Sanders ejected after throwing a punch at Bills TE Zach Davidson.

• Shannon’s verdict:

  “Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can’t do that. You have to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment.” (54:39)

• Inside-the-league context:
  Fines reviewed in detail; $40,000 for fighting, more for repeat offenses (58:28).

• Locker room perspective:

  “I bet your time called Shiloh in the locker room: ‘Man, what is you doing?’” (65:44, Chad)

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Listener Value: Football Insight & Real Talk

• Both hosts dig into what typical fans and media observers miss when judging preseason or depth chart stories, emphasizing how much context, play design, and personnel affect performance.
• Shannon and Ocho’s personal anecdotes (from their own rookie years, practice habits, or fights with Hall of Famers) bring an authentic, player-first perspective to NFL preseason drama.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Opening and setting the theme: 04:44 – 09:15
• Shedeur Sanders' critique & why he “looked bad”: 09:15 – 13:00, further at 21:24 – 27:37
• Kevin Stefanski's decision & league/fan reactions: 15:08 – 17:41
• Rashan Gary interview: 35:55 – 54:23
• Shiloh Sanders ejection discussion: 54:24 – 62:00
• Memorable player stories & reflection: 62:34 – 67:20

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Conclusion

This Nightcap episode brims with genuine NFL insights, candid player commentary, and righteous skepticism about official narratives. Shannon and Ocho, both with decades of experience, express frustration at how teams mishandle young talent and how fans/analysts often miss the deeper context. The Rashan Gary interview provides a refreshing exploration of veteran leadership and athlete entrepreneurship. The show ends with hard lessons on discipline after Shiloh’s ejection and some classic locker-room storytelling.

If you love football for the chess, the human stories, and the real talk — this episode's for you.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, first of all, listen, George Sanders didn't play bad. Chat those that follow me on Twitter. You happy? There it is. He didn't. He didn't play well. He didn't play well. He played bad. Huh? Obviously, he stunk it up. But let me, let me, let me clarify why. Officer, let me give you a little insight. So he comes in in the third quarter, am I correct? It was the third quarter about this. Okay. Boom. So the players that are playing in the third quarter. Excuse me if I'm. Excuse me if I'm wrong. You can do your homework. Will those players make the 53 man roster?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Uncle, A lot of them will not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of them will not make.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The most of them will not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. So again, I'm all for quarterback competition, but if you're going to put him in a situation that is not advantageous to him and competing at a high level, boom. Let's give him a chance. Let's give him a chance with the play calling. You know, you have an offensive line that isn't playing that well, so what do we do? Why not just play the short game so we can get the ball out of his hands very fast. To run a competent goddamn offense, purposely running plays that are 10, 12, 15 yard routes, knowing damn well the goddamn offensive line is not going to be able to hold up is ridiculous. It's clear. I played football for a very long time. I played NFL at a very high level for a very, very long time. I understand in a situation like that, when it comes to the threes and fours that you're playing with that aren't going to be. That aren't going to be on the squad and not going to make the team, give your quarterback a chance. Okay, you know what? You know they can't hold up that long. Let's play quick game. Let's play quick game just to get Shador in a goddamn rhythm. But no, you come out calling regular officer plays that are very long. Damn near play action. Damn near play action. If he was under center, knowing they take a while to develop, knowing good and goddamn well the O line and the people you have out there right now are not going to be able to hold up outside of that shadow has to be better in understanding that the office line that you're working with right now is not adequate. Get the ball out your hands, get the ball that time. But he's holding the ball for one reason. He's holding the ball because the goddamn players aren't open. He's waiting for things to develop, which is why he's holding the ball and trying to make something happen by holding on to it by scrambling, moving obviously running out of area, running out of real estate and being sacked. I'm not sure what game you guys are watching again. I state sure do. It did play bad. He did. But why he played bad is clear as day. If you understand the game of football and what he had to work with. Kevin Stefanski, not let your door come back in the game to finish the two minute drill. Oh, I've never seen that before. I've never in my. Never in my life ever have seen anything like that before. What are we doing? What are we doing? No disrespect to Snoop Huntley. Snoop and probably not going to be on the team. He's probably not going to be on the team. So I'm not sure what you were waiting to look, Snoop was on the team simply because quarterbacks were injured. So they bought in the extra body. I not allow.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The players that are competing for a job in this instance, Shador Sanders, to finish off the two minute drill. What are we doing? Who makes that call? He makes that call. Why? Because I want the last thing people to see. I want the last people. The last thing for people to remember is the mistakes and the sacks that happen and not give him a chance to redeem himself. Because I think probably what would have happened. Okay, we can't have Shadora coming here and finish this two minute drive and go down and get a touchdown. We don't want that. So we're gonna leave them on the sideline. So these are bad taste in those mouths. So now there's nothing that they can say. There's nothing that they can say because now you got a small sample size of him playing with people that are probably not going to be on the team in their bio on Twitter gonna say, former man. Come on, man. But okay, I, I can't wait to hear your piece and, and chat. For those of you who are listening to watching, I'm not making excuses for him. He played that he played bad. But I can tell you why he played bad. I mean, if you know the game of football and understand the game of football, understand that those that are in there with him during that time, I'm not going to be able to go ahead, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I agree with everything you said. He did play bad. And you and I, we come out here and we on, we're on. We talk four or five nights a week, sometimes six nights a week. We've gone six straight nights. We've gone nine straight days before. And what we do, we tell it like it is. T I it like my grandma say, boy, tell it like it. T I s T is. We tell it like it is. Shador did not play well today. He played awful. Everything that you said is true. Shador, you know, this offensive line is not competent enough to give you protection. And I understand it's his Ocho. I'm in competition. I saw what Dylan Gabriel did with the guys that's probably going to be on the team. I'm trying to match that, but what happened is, is that they didn't give him the necessary pieces in order to match this. If you want me to fight, if you want me to win a war, give me the weapons you can't get. Expect me to win a modern war with muskets and cannons. They use drones now. They use stuff with precision, pinpoint accuracy. So you're expecting me to win a modern game and you're giving me old time. That won't work. So Shador has to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hands. Ocho, he has some time. It's okay, Coach. Hey, that ain't my game. That's Lamar Jackson. That's, that's Josh Allen, that's Jalen Hurts. That's their game buying time like that Shador has in a pocket. He can move side to side, but he doesn't have that ability, that escapability like these other quarterbacks. Like I, like the board mentioned, I mentioned. I don't understand why you would let Snoop Huntley take the two minute unless he's going to be one of the four quarterbacks that's going to be on your roster. You give that to Shador. I agree with what you said because you said, look, we've seen guys play bad, be great in the two minute drill, and you forget they played bad the entirety of the game. I don't know what's inside Kevin Stefanski head. Maybe he's like, hey, I wanted Snoop, you know, we're gonna probably, we're gonna end up releasing him and you know, we wanted him to go, look, Snoop Huntley's been in the league four or five years. He started several games for the Ravens when Lamar Jackson would hurt. Hell, he started a pre a postseason game. So this notion that that's you doing him some type of favor when the man has been in the league four or five years, he started six, seven games in his career. He started the postseason game is this is just disingenuous. With all that being said, I agree. The offensive line wasn't very good. And the one thing that a coach used to always tell me, he said, son, don't make a bad play worse. You see your offensive line break down, Shador, don't make a bad play worse. Don't run around and lose five, don't lose 10. He got sacked five. He got sacked five times, lost 41 yards, fumble the ball. Come on, you got to be better than that and I understand when you're in competition. Ocho I'm trying to compete, so I'm going to scratch claw and do whatever I think is necessary that's going to help me put me in an advantageous situation so I can compete, so I can win. But I don't get what they did, why they did it. Some things is not for Some things is offered without explanation. Some things you and I can't explain. Even though with the 30 with the 30 plus years between us of NFL experience and the number of Pro Bowls and all Pros, both of us are in our team's respective ring of fames. Some things we just can't answer because we are not in Kevin Stefanski's heads. We don't Good morning, welcome to Today. From back to school to tackling your to do list, the Today show is your best start to the day. It's a new season and every morning we're here to help you take it all off. As the forecast calls for football all across the country, blockbuster stars, live concerts and so much more. Wake up to where it's all happening.

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Here it is, Ocho. Here's Kevin Stefanski not letting Shador run the two minute drill at the end of the grain. At the end of the game with the Browns. Let's take a listen. What he had to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kevin.

[Rashawn Gary]

It was a, obviously a bit of.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

A rough second half for Shador and.

[Rashawn Gary]

The Brown, the entire Browns offense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But like, why didn't you keep him.

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In for the two minute draw?

[Rashawn Gary]

Why'd you decide to put Tyler.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, obviously we didn't play great as.

[Rashawn Gary]

An offense in the second half. That's, that's never on one person.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So we can be an. And we can be better in a bunch of areas and just felt like we wanted to give Snoop a last drive. Did, did Shador have something wrong with them after the game?

[Rashawn Gary]

Kind of trans.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, he's good. He walked up to you after taking his walk down to the pylon and then he walked back up to you on the sidelines before, before Snoop went in and he said something to do to you. You shook your head. I mean, was he trying to get back?

[Rashawn Gary]

He's a competitive kid. The plan was to go with Snoop there, so. But I wouldn't make any more of it than that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, like coach, let me get this, let me get this last one. Give me an opportunity now. We good. We're gonna take a look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They know what they doing. They know what they doing. Listen, a blind man can see that. A blind man can see that. Again, for those of you in the chat, I, I listen, I'm not taking it for him. I'm gonna say it again. I'm a re. And I reiterate it. Shador Sanders played bad based on the circumstances in the situation he was put in, in the weapons around him and the offensive line that he had to deal with that probably won't be on the 53 man roster. That's exactly what you would look like. You could have put Tom Brady out there with that offensive line. He would look the exact same way you could have put Patrick Mahomes out there. But that offensive line in that third quarter, in the second half, he would have looked the exact same way. Kevin Stefanski saying we didn't play well in the second half. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You didn't call plays well in the second half. This is what Derek Carr had to say. I need to understand why, why we don't get to see Shador run this two minute drill. What? Wouldn't you want to see your young quarterback operate in this situation? Get him more reps for the future. I didn't see the whole game, so maybe he already showed enough. Help me understand this. Jerome Ayn Rut. So Kevin Stefanski, give Dylan Gabriel easy short throws with max protection and then give Shador bull job plays with an old line that looked like they just ate a gang of Little Debbies. F you Browns trade Shador.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you hear the key word when I, when As soon as I stated that he played well. And the first thing I said, what you just read, he gave Dylan Gabriel short throws to get himself in rhythm to get the ball at his hands. And then in the second half, the play calls were much longer. Routes that took time to develop. And they know good and well that the offensive line wouldn't be able to hold up. The only reason a quarterback holds on to the ball, sometimes it's covered sacks, sometimes it's waiting for receivers to get downfield for Ralph to develop. And they know good and well. Like you know good and well it wasn't gonna work. You have a, you have an NFL quarterback, an experienced quarterback. That's pointing it out. Exactly what I said. I didn't even know. I didn't know. Derek Carr tweeted that. I, I didn't even know. But I'm just sitting here watching. I'm like, like, what are we doing? What are we doing as a, as a coach, as a head coach, as a coaching staff? I mean, if you, if it's a quarterback competition, put the players in advantageous situations and give them a chance to succeed. It's simple. It's something like you would do on Sunday when Joe Flacco goes out there, week one against the Cincinnati Bengals. They're going to put him in positions to succeed every quarter, every down. It's just the way the game is played. You play to win the game. I mean, I, I don't, I don't understand. I don't understand.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Mike Hill. Mike Hill. I hope Shador will eventually end up on a good roster with a coach who wants and believes in him. It's so obvious. This league and even the Browns in a sense, have been trying to send a message to him since he, since the draft. And it's downright disgusting. Like I said, I cosign. I agree with everything that you said. The, the play was not adequate enough and Shador has to get to a point in time. That's always been his knock. We said this when he was in college. He holds on to the ball too long. You're not going to make every play. The sooner he gets that in his head, the sooner he comes to that realization, the better off he's going to be. Do not make a bad play worse, Ocho. If you. The worst thing you could do, Ocho, is if I run a, if I run the wrong route is drop the ball when you throw it to me. Damn, son, at least you can do is catch it. You don't effed up to play. You're. You're someplace you're not supposed to be, son. If you, if, if you, if you, if you jump offside, son, just go, just go ahead. May maybe they missed it, but don't make a bad play worse and you block the wrong guy and then you end up holding. Well, damn, son. Shedeur, just feed your process up. Yes, the offensive line wasn't adequate. Yes, the receivers give him the plays that you gave him against Carolina. Let him get the ball out of his hands. Let him, let, let in a situation like that, you let the, you let the offense, you let the receivers help you. You put the ball in their hands and says, okay son, go get four or five yards out the catch as. As opposed to taking a five step drop and trying to push the ball down the field. That is my, my synopsis of what I saw. Hopefully now, Ocho, hopefully preseason is over. We can stop having these conversations. Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback now. We need to stop asking these questions. When are we going to see Shador? Because you're not going to see Joe Flacco. Something happens to him if they keep four quarterbacks, it's going to be. Joe Flacco is going to probably be, I don't know, hell, the way it looks, look like Dylan Gabriel might be two now can he pick. It might be three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, you know what Also would also. I'm not saying it scares me, but it worries me if they've already made a decision, if their mind is already made up as an organization, as a head coach has them coming out and saying what he said two weeks ago about the pick not being his and Andrew Barry standing by his side and standing by his pick. And for Andrew Barry to have to witness what he saw today, someone that is very intelligent, very intelligent to be in a position of power that he's in and to witness what he witnessed today. I'm thinking also if the decision's already been made to, to release your door or to cut them in any Way, shape, form or fashion. What scares me is, is him going to another team and will team be willing to be able to deal with someone with the last name Sanders. That brings the kind of attention to a team that he does. And he's not even the starting quarterback. You understand what I'm saying? Because that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That brings a totally different dynamic to a team where it takes away from whoever the eight, whoever the starting quarterback is. Being Shador now coming in and being on that team. You get where I'm going with it now?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That he didn't create, but it just come with the Sanders last name in general.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's. That's a lot of oxygen being taken up out the room for a guy that's not playing. That's what you're saying. The Browns general manager Andrew Barry told the NFL Network, keeping four quarterbacks, not much of a decision. We have a room that we like and all the guys in there, we don't really see that as a problem. We more see it as an opportunity. Ocho, my thing is why are you keeping four quarterbacks when clearly one of the quarterbacks you don't actually believe in?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. Hey, I know Andrew Barry and Mr. Hasam. I know they be going at it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Because it's not. It's not like their sentimentality sometimes. Oh, we hold on to things that have sentimental value to us. Oh, man. Oh, I had this thing so long, I just can't let it go, you know, But. But when there's no sentimentality to it, there's no attachment to it. You just drafted a guy. You drafted a guy in the fifth round. Why are you holding on to it? If you believe he was that good, you would have given him a better opportunity to show you what he can do. From what I could deduce and from what I read, I've never read anything or saw anything that Shador Sanders took refs with the ones or the twos, except when Gabriel got hurt. And then he took that they were playing that Friday and he took ref that Wednesday, Thursday. Other than that. Excuse me. Prior to that, there was not a situation where I read what Mary Kay Cabot was writing and I read what others had written that I saw that Shador Sanders had taken ref with the ones and twos. So if he's not taking ones or two, and you would think after what he did in the Carolina game, that's normally what happens. Chat. I'm telling you what normally happens when a guy, if he's down on the depth chart and he plays good. In a preseason game, they normally come in and that. That practice back, he's like, I want to see what the guy can do with the ones and the twos, no matter the position, be it quarterback, running back, wide receiver, O, line D, line linebacker, cornerback. I'm telling you, that's normally how it works. You're talking to a guy that was in a very similar situation, and y' all say, well, Jenna, you always inserting yourself. I'm inserting myself because I'm telling you I was in a situation like Shador. He was a fifth rounder. I was a seventh rounder. I was like sixth or seventh on the depth chart. So I played good in the preseason game. Woncho. Guess what? Next thing I know, hey, 80. At the time, I was 81. Sharp. Cool. Cool with the. With the backup quarterback. And he called me greasy. He said, greasy, they put you with the ones and the twos today. So, hey, make sure you're ready. You need to know anything, ask me. I don't know why, but seven and cool always took a liking to me. They always took a liking to me. Cool. We come into the game and practice. Ocho, he's like, greasy. You know what you got? I say, nah, not really. He said, you got X, Y, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I'm telling you, just like this. He said, greasy. Look, it's gonna be cover too. Take the hole, Greasy. It's gonna be. It's gonna be single high safety run to seven. It's going to be this. Hook it up. 15 yards. Hook it up. Show me a letter. I'm going to get you the ball. Hey, let's go. Let's. Hey, let's go make some money today. He's all. He was always like that in my ear. So it gave me confidence that. That. Damn. This man, he don't. Hey, I'm a rookie and he helping me. He's working with me. Hey, seven with the exact same way. But once I played good in the game with him. Yeah, guess what? Now I come back on Monday, Ocho, I'm with the tools at. I didn't get into the fourth quarter because they want to see what you can do with the starters. Okay. If he did this with some backups, let's see if we put it with the number, the one and twos. Let's see if he can do that again. Maybe it was because he's going against guys that's not going to be there, but let's see if he can compete against guys that we know going to Be there on Sunday. So this is a very similar situation with Shador. I would have thought. You would have thought, because we had this conversation, oh, yo, he gonna get some reps.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we thought based on our experience and what happens when you play well. But listen, outside of that, Joe Flacco, that boy looked good. He looked good. Came in, God damn, Dylan Gabriel looked good. Very efficient. Pass is coming out, everything's sharp. Went down, touchdown. And then, you know, obviously 12 didn't play good today. He didn't. And I. I've said it over and over for those in the chat. I know we. We have our Shador haters who do. Who don't. Who don't like him. He didn't play well. You can you hear me? But in most of those, that. Most of those that are hating too, they. They don't. They don't. They don't watch football. They don't understand football. They don't understand the ins and outs.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And what the intricacies of football that you understand that played the game, understand the nuances.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We see it. We see it clear as day, but they just on it. Oh, he played bad. He's ass. He sucked. He's the fifth rounder. He's not that good. Well, of course, yes, based on what you saw today. But I'm. I'm. We're trying to tell you why it looked that way, but that's neither here nor there. It is what it is. They made their decision. They had to lie in the bed with it. So listen, I'm happy for him.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

This is why I watch the game with no sound. I don't want someone to contaminate my mind. And I regurgitate what somebody else said. Also the reason why I watch fans are only interested in the end result. I'm trying to figure out why we got said result. It's not good enough that they scored a touchdown. I need to know why. Let me see the formation. Let me see what the guy did. Let me see the defensive coverage. Was it just a great route? Did he just beat. Sometimes Ocho, you just beat the guy, and that's okay. You get paid, he gets paid. Sometimes Ocho just gonna win because Ocho was just a better player. Sometimes the defensive back is gonna win. He wins some. You win more than he, then you lose sometimes. Who blew the assignment? Was it the safety? Was he getting greedy? Paying attention to the tight end on the over when he should have been deep middle? What was it? What did the corner. Why did he. Did he not. Did he not shovel the receiver down inside and sink. Why was he still so far? Why was he so close up when there's nothing to threaten the flat? I'm analyzing all of that. It's just not good enough for me to know that they scored. I'm trying to see why they scored. And then I'm going to tell you based on my experience having played the game, having studied the game, this is what I think happened. So OO and I, what we're trying to do, we're not making excuses for Shador. Shedor has to do a better job of not making a bad situation worse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I was so confused tonight, too. On. Let me. Let me tell you something. I really. I really do this. And I watched the game for a long time, so I thought, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping based on what I'm seeing, and maybe I'm not seeing it correctly. Hell, I picked up the phone, I called tj. I called who? I call whoosh. And I'm like, who's. Am I tripping or did I see what I thought I just saw? When 12 winning the game, he's like, yeah, yeah. You could tell that was a bunch of, you know What? You know, T.J. t.J. Don't care. He just. He just go off. Oh, yeah. Off the rock on the phone. Yeah. Why would you put him in that situation? I said, okay, I just wanna. If I heard it from you, and I know how you and you know how tj he gonna tell it like it is. You know, he don't care. And okay, I just want to make sure I wasn't tripping. I just want to make sure I would. From another mouth. They actually played the goddamn game. The receiver position that also knows the game extremely well. All the intricacies that come with it. Okay. Boom. I know I wasn't tripping.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No. And the thing that I hate is that you keep him buried. Now, maybe, hey, Ocho. Maybe, hey, you keep him. And he gives reps because when you're in the practice squad now, you're gonna get reps because you're gonna get reps because you practicing the other guy's stuff. Cause so. Cause I. Cause when they hold a card up. Oh, Joe, you. You. I mean, you. You ready? Because you want to. They hold the card up, and so they got the plays drawn up and they circle where they want the ball to go. So they telling me, hey, this is what. This is our Fox 2X&Y book. This is our 25 Dagger. This is our double square out this is our comeback. They're telling us what this play is in our terminology. So there's no mistaking. Okay? Sometimes the D coordinators say, come in here. Hey, put a little extra sauce on it. Because this receiver has like, he got. He got some real good. Hey, he got some shake on him now. He ain't just down there. Break down. No, no, no. He. He studied a. He heavy at the line and then he go stop on the dime. So give us some of that. Hey, quarterback, run around a little bit. We play Junior Seattle offensive coordinate. Cool. And Mike would tell Bird Keith Burns was normalized Junior sayout. He said, go wherever you want to go. If it's. If you supposed to be in the A gap, go. Go in the C gap. Do whatever you. Hey, you got no responsibility if you supposed to blitz. Dropping pass coverage because that's exactly what Junior would do. Had no idea what the hell he was gonna do. And so that's how he. That's how he played it. I'm like, bro, what? Hey, you were supposed to blitz. He said, nah, I ain't wanna blitz.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that was so funny. Hey, hey, what's the name? Told me some stories about, about Junior, man. Hey, Buddy. Buddy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's him. That's his word. That's his. Hey, Buddy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Buddy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, man, everybody was Buddy. I don't think he ever called anybody by their name. Every. The coaches were Buddy. Offense, if you played offense, you were Buddy. If you played defense, you was Buddy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Buddy. Oh, hey. It was so funny, I think. Good morning.

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[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What's the the coach of Alabama, his name's in my mind Dolphins. At a time, if I'm not mistaken, it's when. And I think that's when. God, why his name?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Ronnie Brown? All those guys were there, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And yeah, Shannon Crowder was telling me a story. They came out for practice. They came out for practice. And Junior Seattle didn't have on his cleats. He had on regular shoes. And Nick Saban must have told him, must have told him, hey, you got your regular shoes on. You're not, you're not gonna, you're not gonna go change? He said, nah, buddy, I'm gonna practice like this today. No. And it was so funny. Told the story, man. Oh, my goodness. But he was hilarious.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All right, joining us on the show now, we'll recommend, we'll welcome in Pro Bowler last year. He's a pro bowler. He's number 80 on this year's NFL top 100. You were 50 last year, Rashawn. Despite making the Pro bowl last year, they have you down 30 spots. I want to know what is Rashawn Gary going to do to get back into that top 50, get back into that top 30, maybe even get up into the top 20.

[Rashawn Gary]

Well, y' all gonna see in two weeks. You know, we got a great home opener.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's go.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, you know, got a great home opener, you know, against the Lions, nfc, you know, rivalry. So it was a nice way to start the season. I just want my work to show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So I got a quick question for you. Camp is over now, obviously. I'm sure you guys have a week to work on some things, packers versus packers, before you get into a game plan and scheme for week one. How was camp for you? How's the body holding up? How do you feel? Are you going into camp healthy? Oh, yeah.

[Rashawn Gary]

No, this is. Yeah, it's crazy. Cause I was just talking to, you know, my teammate Kenny about it. I'm like, you know, going into year seven, it's one of the, you know, the healthiest camps that I have. So, know I'm feeling good, you know, from OTAs all the way through now. I've been putting a great body at work and now it's just time to, you know, put it on display.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You guys don't play a game for another two weeks. Is coach. Is Coach lafleur going to give you guys some time, some time off? Are you back at on Monday or do. Do you get Sunday? You get Monday, you guys are back in there Tuesday. Are you gonna get a little time off before you have to hit it and start getting ready for the. The Lions in two weeks?

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, you know, we got a couple practices coming up next week, but, you know, we got the weekend off and then back to work on Sunday.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Damn, y' all back to work on Sunday already. Damn. I fig. I fig the floor. Give y' all a couple of days off. Y', all. You're like, well, damn company. We been had. We had a good. A good camp. The packers, your defense, I mean, you mentioned Kenny Clark. I'm assuming you're talking about Kenny Clark now. You lost your cornerback, your all pro cornerback. You trade, you released him and he ends up going to Baltimore. How do you guys. Because you guys have shown spots where you guys are dominant. I'm talking about dominant. You attack the quarterback, you stop the run, you turn the team over, you give your offense short fields. How do you stay consistent in doing that, Rashad?

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, just holding our standard. Everybody gotta do their 111. And throughout OTAs, especially, you know, being year two and you know, cos have system, it's been crazy watching everybody fly to the ball, attack the ball, and actually being on one accord, you know, talking about first, all the way to fourth down, get back on track, downs, we all on the same page, all speaking the same language. And, you know, it's been good seeing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It for you guys, especially the Packers. Opening up with a game like this against the Lions is a. Is a good test for you guys defensively, obviously, whether it be on the ground, whether it be in the air because you understand the dynamic and, and how special the Lions office is. Even. Even with Ben Johnson leaving, they still have all those weapons, you know, Jamir Gibbs and Montgomery, you know, the receivers on the outside, tight end. Your thought process going into it early so far, what is it that you think you guys need to do to win that game come week one? From a defensive standpoint, I already know what you guys can do on offense. Defensively, can you be able to hold them? I'm not sure what. Where the, where the Lions finish when it comes to scoring, but you know, they can put up points.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, absolutely. Just like I was saying, we've been doing a great job through OTAs and camp of being on the same page, speaking the same language, understanding what teams want to. To us, especially our offense in these last couple joint practices is really being on the same page of how these offensive teams want to attack us, understand our weak points. And I'm saying when on 11, know that we understand how to protect it. So just basically being on the same page. And when it comes to, you know, that game right at 3 o', clock, we gotta be locked in, focused and on one accord, how we been and just having fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, one more question. One more question.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know your team goals. You got team goals, obviously, from a defensive perspective, team goals offensive and decently, obviously the main goal, you want to be in San Francisco at the end, at the end of the season, first week of February. But personal goals, your personal goals yourself, that you would want to achieve. Can you share with us, you know, whatever it may be?

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, I could just show you my, you know, share a little into my mindset, man. Just, just trying to be dominant, man. I've been training hard this off season, really just trying to take over. Like I said, one through fourth downs, man, that's what I'm playing for. And really just trying to show everybody, you know, how dominant I can be.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Rashaun, you're the vet now. There's no more Aaron Rodgers. There is no more Jair Alexander. You're one of the old guards now. So now how has your leadership style changed? Because guess what, you're one of the senior voices now.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, you know, it's been great, man. It's something that, you know, you always pray for, ask for and, you know, it's crazy. You know, we got rookies coming in, talking about, I used to watch you before my high school games. I'm like, man, I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Rashawn Gary]

So, you know, it's kind of weird But I've been having. I've been having fun and Green Bay been doing a great job, especially from when I came in with the guys they had ahead of me, being able to keep it real with me, especially a big guy to me was Mercedes Lewis. So, you know, talking to him, how to take care of my body, things like that. So when, you know, young guys come up to me asking me how to film study, what to look for, things like that, I'm able just to keep it real because I had a good og. But man, it's just been fun, man. I'm really a lead by, you know, example, and if I need to speak, I get there. But then also I started to learn that, you know, you can't talk to anybody the same way. You know, you got to understand, you know, everybody background, you know, everybody background, you know, why everybody's in it. And I feel like, you know, this offseason, especially through OTA's camp, you know, I've been able to understand people why. So when they do get time, you know, two minute drill, the fourth quarter when we got lock in, you know, I could hit those points.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what's it like there in Green Bay? Is there anything to do? Is it fun?

[Rashawn Gary]

You know, it's chill, calm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Play football.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, play football, man, and focus, man. But man, it's chill, calm. Green Bay, you know, slept on. But, you know, it's a great community and as well, love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got Milwaukee, you got Chicago, that's a couple. That's 90 minutes away. You got Milwaukee, that's 90 minutes away, so. But it's easy to play. My brother played there for seven years, Rashawn. And then, you know, going to visit him, you can see why they had success in the 60s. Ain't nothing else to do. There was less to do then than there is now. But you can understand why the packers have success. There's not a whole lot to get into. There's not a whole lot of trouble. There's not a. Look if you. Appleton is down the way, but that's a college town. Like I mentioned, Milwaukee, but hell, Milwaukee closed down at 10:30. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago. You ain't really trying to drive way to Chicago to have a good time. Hey, when you're there for those months, when you come back for training camp and you're there, hey, bro, let's make the best of this situation. We can get tunnel vision. We can lock in. Let's try to go compete and win a Super Bowl.

[Rashawn Gary]

And that's the mindset, and that's how it's always been being a Green Bay Packer.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Let me ask you this. Is there a play that you replay? Is there almost sack. If there's almost a ball that was on the ground, that, damn, if I could have just got. Got this one, it would have helped. Is there a play that you replay in your mind since you've been in Green Bay that you like? Man, if I'd have made that play, that had been a difference in the.

[Rashawn Gary]

Game, to be honest with you now, off the top of my head. But, you know, I played too hard to give it up, man. Like I said, I'm going on year seven, and like a lot of guys I talk to, you know, you can't take it for granted. And right now, I'm in some crucial years where I feel like, you know, I could take off and start extending the right way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's flying by, huh? Do you realize you and your seven already. It went by fast, didn't it?

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, it's going by fast. It's going by fast. Like I said, I'm trying to stay in the moment and, you know, enjoy the ride.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, yeah, it is. Because you look up and you're gonna be in year 10. And. Cause, you know, you're like, man, let me get five. And you say, well, let me get to 10. And then once you get to 10, you're like, let me take a year at a time. But before you know it, I mean, I woke up one morning like, damn, I'm in year 10. And next day, you know, hey, calling Mike said, hey, this is it for me, bro. I'm done. Yeah, it goes. It goes fast. And that's why I tell guys, man, enjoy it. Make sure you're training. You're eating your prep, everything because you don't want to have not one iota of regret, because regret, when you leave this game, you can't go back. And so to have that moment of regret for the rest of your life, it'll eat at you. So when you done, Rashawn, when you say, hey, Green Bay, hey, Leflore or Guna, kins or whomever you gotta call called and says, I'm done. Hopefully you finish your career in Green Bay. You're like. You look back like, man, I gave it everything I had. The way I trained, the way I slept, the way I practiced, the way I met do everything. I walk away with my head held, my head held high, knowing I couldn't have got Anything else out of the talent that God blessed me with.

[Today Show Announcer]

Hey, it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a good one right here too, boy. It's a good one. So I think about, obviously during my playing days as some of the players that I looked up to at the. At the same position, obviously, while we're still playing, I would. I would watch their film and study some of the things that they. That they did and still, you know, steal some of their moves, no matter whether it be just to be able to add to my game, to improve year to year. Who are some players that played the exact same position. You do that, you look up to and watch their film to see what they do where you can add to your toolbox as well.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, with me, it's funny, but I like going throwbacks, so, you know, I like throwing on Julius Peppers. Yeah, Julius Peppers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a good one.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah. Julius Peppers. I love Tom Ali when he was in the Kansas City Chiefs on the state. Yeah. Justin Houston, you know, those are guys that I feel like I r simulators. And then nowadays, you know, you throw on, you know, Miles Garrett, you get, you, you know, been in the edge of, you know, T.J. watt, but I ain't gonna lie this year, a speed to power, you know, but, you know, this year I've been doing a lot of watching myself, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like. I like it. Yeah, that's dope.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Let me ask you this, because Ocho and I was talking and how we approach the game of football, how we approach as a wide receiver. When you go into a game, obviously you're trying to get to the quarterback, but everything leads to something else. I'm showing him one thing, but that's not really what I want to do. I'm giving him this, but I really want to do that. But I'm saving it for a rainy day because I know it's going to come a third down in this fourth quarter. And I know I. I've been running up the field the whole game, and I know. Hey, hey, I know I've been stabbing you the whole game. Hey, I've been posting and wiping you away the whole game. And I know you, I know you finna sit on that because that's what I've given you. I've given you no reason to prepare for anything else. Is that how you approach the rush game? Is that. Look, I'm doing what I can, but I know I gotta have this in my back pocket when I absolutely gotta get this quarterback on the ground.

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, shoot. You know, think about pass Rushes. And every pass rush, I talk to man, you, you know, all the great ones. You really got about four moves in the toolbox. And at the end of the day, it's really about reacting to what the, you know, the office in lineman wants you to do. But once you get off the ball the same way and you, you know, got him thinking, oh, he about to stab him. About to stab him. Yeah, I stab you the first four or five, maybe six rushes. But you know that third, you know, crucial down, you know, third and 10, third and eight, we gotta get off the field. So I might have to sit you down at the edge, but yeah, it's a game. It's a game within the lines. And y' all both know that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, it absolutely. It's a beautiful thing to watch the guys. Cause, you know, I'm a lot older than you. I'm probably the age of your dad. But the past rushes to watch dt, how he got off the edge and bent the edge. He reminds me of Von Miller. And then I see Reggie White, how he just had pure power. He just, hey, he just getting on the edge and he gonna hump you. You already know what's coming. You can sit down as much as you want to. You330 and try to sit on it. You gonna get humped. He gonna throw a 330 pound man like he's a sack of potatoes. And then you get a guy like a Bruce Smith that's 265, 270, all out like a Miles Garrett playing on a fire technique. And you're like, bro, how this man bend the edge like that? How can he lean? He's this high off the ground, Rashad. I'm like, how? How did he do that? I'm watching you. You're you. You got a lot of power. I see the way, I see the way you built from waist down and the way you could. You can post a guy wax on, wax him off. You can also bend the edge. As you mentioned, you can convert speed to power because you can't. It's all about getting off the ball. Once I get off the ball, you at my mercy, bro. As long as I'm not lazy off the ball.

[Rashawn Gary]

Hey, it's gonna be a good night. You absolutely right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So let me ask you a question. A lot of guys will listen to the TV version. They'll get the TV version and they'll try to pick up the quarterback's cadence. How. Blue 17. Blue 17. Ready said. Do you do things like that? Trying to pick up the audio Copy. Try to pick up the video.

[Rashawn Gary]

Absolutely. Shoot. I'm in the, you know, the quarterback. I'm into the quarterback cadence. I'm also into. I'm heavy on the offensive line talk. The office of line gonna tell you everything. They don't let you know if it's a run, you know, how loud they communicate, how you sitting, eyes, body language. Yeah, I'm into it all. But especially once I hear the office alignment, you know, talking, they kind of be able to, you know, from for my reason, everything, I'm kind of able to pick it up and play faster.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Especially when you at home, because it's hard for them to hear. So they've got to communicate. And as much as he's trying to look at you, he gotta look. But now they kind of hold hands a little bit, but he still gotta kind of look inside. And hey, all you need is a half a step. That's all you need. It ain't no hey, ain't no look, these guys are good. You ain't just finna just beat these guys. But that half a step that you get, that you get on the edge. And once you get them shoulders, hey, once he turn, bro, you're not finna ride me up the field. I'm finna get skinny and I'm gonna get narrow. Cause I'm gonna get the quarterback on the ground, so. And before the 2019 draft, you funded your own sports agency, the Rashawn Gary Sports. What inspired you to do something like this?

[Rashawn Gary]

Going to Michigan. Being able to sit in, you know, our Ross Business school. I had a couple classes. I was blessed and fortunate to have a couple classes in there and just, you know, actually talk about. No business models, marketing. Actually got to, you know, talk about life after football. And it's something that, you know, I really never thought about. And I'm like, you know, we could be real. You know, football is the biggest thing. This is not going to stop. It's only going to get bigger and bigger and keep growing and growing. So I'm like, you know, when I get old and then when I do hang my cleats up, you know, how can I, you know, stay around, you know, the game, you know, give the game to young guys, especially in positions where, you know, I wish I would have had growing up and then also to leave a legacy, you know, for my kids. Kids. And hopefully they kids. So we're just trying to build it, become a powerhouse.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's dope. That's dope.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Rashad, you do realize that division you in? You got the packers. They won 14 games last year. You got the Lions, they won 15 games last year. You got the Bears. And many believe they're much improved with the addition as Ben Johnson as their head coach. Coach, they've added pieces on the offensive line to protect Caleb Williams. Defense seemed to be flying around on the new dc. Dennis Allen and yourself, the packers, you guys made the playoff. Jordan Love had the surgery on his left hand, but, hey, everybody say, he's good to go. What does the packers need to do to win this division? Get a home game and say, hey, let whatever happens happen. After that, we gotta go out there.

[Rashawn Gary]

And we just gotta play packers ball. Like I said, we've been grinding from OTAs through camp. I'm talking about even finishing the pregame, I mean, preseason on a high note. So, you know, we just got to keep everything flowing. Like I said, especially on defense, we've been speaking the same language. I've been seeing the offense, you know, do their thing, connecting even special teams, you know, the guys is flying down. Understand that's a very crucial part and important part of the game. So all we gotta do is be consistent and have the mindset to go 1 and 0 every week.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Let me ask you this. At practice, do you, if you see something from like, your offensive line, like, bro, that's a tail. I can tell when you run the ball. I tell when you passing the ball. I can tell how you trying to. You trying to set me up? Do you guys communicate like that? Do they tell you, hey, Rashad, bro, I, I. Hey, you, you gave this move away. Do you guys communicate like that with one another?

[Rashawn Gary]

Yeah, that's iron. Sharp and iron. Especially when I'm trying to work on something, I'm big on that. I'm talking about both my tackles come to me like, what bother you? So of course I'm gonna tell them everything I don't like to do. So I could work on it in practice and vice versa. You know, me working on certain moves. Okay, you telegraphed that, man. If you would have sold it up an extra step, you feel me? Or, oh, you got me on that move. I'm like, all right, you know, keep working, things like that. But, yeah, it's iron. Sharp and iron, practice. And me withholding information for season, that's not going to better the team. So I'd rather make it hard on me now. So for the guys that do give it away in season, I could play a little bit faster.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, man, that's great, man. Thank you, Rashawn. For joining us, man. Stay healthy. Best of luck. Hey, this year you was what? Hold on, let me try. Let me find where you were. You was number. You were number 80, man. You dropped 50, you down 30 spots. So when we come back and have this conversation next week, next year, you gotta be in the top 30. You gotta be 30 or above. Well, 30 or below.

[Rashawn Gary]

It's gonna be great talking to you then.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Thank you, bro. Best of luck. Stay healthy. Good luck to the packers this season, and we're gonna talk to you.

[Rashawn Gary]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one. Rashad Gary, ladies and gentlemen. Ocho Shiloh Sanders was ejected after throwing a punch at Bill's tight end, Zach Davidson. Should he have been ejected?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't do that. You got to be able to control yourself, especially in that moment. I know the tight end, you know, they was locked up a little bit. He was probably trying to rough out him a little bit. But you have to be able to control yourself. You got to be able to control your emotions, especially moments like that. Especially in the game. Especially in the game. So, you know, you have no choice. If you throw a punch, if anything, if. If your arm extends and it touches the other individual, you're going out the game. Every time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Ocho, he in the open field. That's not like an offensive defensive lineman, Ocho. You in the pile and can't nobody see you trying to hit the guy. The bad judge of the side, that was you standing right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They right there. You know, sometimes you got players that'll provoke you sometimes. Yeah, you're always going to see the person that. That swings last. I never see who initiated, but they're gonna always see the person who swings last. So you gotta be able.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I ain't trying. I ain't trying to get you back in front of ref. I'm gonna try to get you back when you ain't thinking about it. Because he. If I do something, then you brace it. You go. All you gonna do is turn to the ref. You seen ref? He did the age start. Hey, Rev, you see what 84 did? You see what he did? Don't worry about it. I'm gonna get you back. It's gonna look like a place. I'll get your ass back. Yeah, or I'm gonna get your team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody. Somebody gonna get it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Somebody gonna get got. They got your color uniform on. He ain't had nothing to do with it, but that's your teammate. Hey, y' all know how it is. It work. Hey, I'm gonna get you or somebody that's related to you. Yeah, but, but I, I agree with you, Ocho. Shiloh knows better. Shiloh knows he can't do a situation like that, bro. You can't hurt me. He got on, he got on the helmet. So let's just say for think about, you hit him, okay? You hit him in the head. Oh, what happened? You break your hand, you gonna get a penalty. In this situation, you got toss. Now, even if you do rate the wrong, you do know when you get thrown out of game, mocho, you know that's like 20, 20, 20, $30,000. So here it. Let's just say for the sake of argument. Oh, yeah, yeah. How much is a, an ejection in the football game? It's like 25, 30,000.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not that much.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The hell you say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My, my goddamn celebrations were 25, 30,000. I know they ain't to.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But you stayed in the game. You did your celebration. They call you to get tossed out of a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm curious, how much is an injection.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially a first time offense too. They gonna take, they gonna take all that into account.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Actually like 32,000.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They go, they gonna let, they gonna let him appeal that. They're gonna let him appeal that. They're gonna be like, who you appealing it to?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So let me ask you a question. No, I think, I think it's Brooks. Derrick Brooks, James Thrash and John Runyon. So Brooks and Thrash and then Runyon is over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Thrash. Oh, God damn. James Thrash. What? Hey, wait. Derek Brooks you talk about.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He threw a punch. Yeah, 40 for fighting. Oo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hold on. You said Derrick Brooks, you talk about double nickel.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I didn't know that, man. They gonna take care. They gonna take care of.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean Brooks and trash, they're very friendly, but some things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. Physical contact with an official is 40,000. The second offense is 81,000. Verbal or non physical offense with against official. So if you curse into something, that's 32,000. Next one. Whoo. Fighting. 40,000 for the first offense. $40,686 a second offense is 81,000. So unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't. You know what, maybe they label it unsportsmanlike conduct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, They've seen.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But what did they call it during the game? What did they say during the game? Cause that if you throw a ball into the stands, that's $8,100. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uniform in the stand still.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I know I ain't throwing it. Chin strap, shoulder pads, thigh, knee pads, that's 57. That's $5,800. Unapproved visor or tent, lack of brand marks. 5,700 personal messages about 11.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Five.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Damn gang signs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ooh, gang sign.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Don't do that. Don't do that. That's all I got for yo Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, wait. Hey, that's. That's a gang sign, too.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, that's all I got. That's all I got for you. But I just say, look, the emotions got the best of him, you know, you fighting for a roster spot. I don't know what. Like I said, I don't know what happened. I just, you know, saw the steel shots of it, like. So I don't know if he did this or he did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Blocking him all the way down the field, it seemed like, yeah, he, you know, obviously, Titan came off, got up on the safety, and they just keep trying to drive him back, driving back.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And I'm assuming he tried to dump it. He tried. Yeah, he tried to dump it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all. Little rough house.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And we find out what they. What they call it in the game, and I, you know, you just got to be smart in a situation like that because you are fighting for a position. You don't want to do anything that cost you a position. But, you know, hey, I trust me. Sometime when emotion is high, logic is low. We've all done things that, like, we look back at, like, but, man, why the hell I do that? Why? And Shador, probably, like, as he's walking to the tunnel, like, everybody, Shador. Excuse me, Shiloh. Everybody's gonna get got if you play long enough, Somebody gonna get you with a block. Somebody gonna pancake you, somebody gonna route your ass up, you gonna get got. It's like being in the NBA. You gonna get dunked on. You play long enough, you'll get dunked on. I don't care. Excuse me. I don't care who you are. You going to get got. Offensive lineman gonna get beat, he gonna get run over. Defensive lineman gonna get blocked, he gonna get pancake. Quarterback gonna get hit. All that's going to happen because it's the game of football, and those guys are really good that you're going against. They're really good. I know you're really good also, but they're really good. And somebody that's really good can make somebody else that really. That's really good look bad. I don't think people realize. People just think that, oh, he's such and such. He's supposed to win all the time. No, hell you not. No, even Barry Bonds, he didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. Tony Gwynn didn't strike out often, but he did strike out. He did get. Nobody hit 500, hit 6, 700. So obviously. But, you know, I ain't really never got that mad, Ocho. Not the game. I mean, somebody have. Somebody done some dirty stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I got their ass back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I'm trying to think of a. Only time I was about to fight when I was gonna beat Ray's ass. That's it. You heard me. You gonna beat Ray Mouth and beat Ray all up and down MT Bank Stadium. He lucky every grabbed me. Boy, I was feeling good that day too.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, you feel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was feeling good. I feeling good. He. He didn't even know. Ray ain't even know like, he hit me, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Okay, okay, go ahead. What you say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ray hit me. I went for the slant. It was too high. And listen, my helmet went flying. So once I got my helmet. Once I got my helmet, now I was getting ready to walk up on him and he knew I was gonna hit him in the stomach. So, you know when you hit somebody in the stomach, the first thing they do is they go.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They bend down. Yeah. And so, I mean, listen, by man. Boy, I'll tell you what. I would have.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That 52 would have been 25 when I would double Ray that day. Boy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I don't think you had. I don't think you had all your bearings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, I think you were. I think you was about to be the headless foot, the headless football player, because I thought your head was in that hell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was, it was. It was. You going to get this work, though. Hey, hey, that's.

[Rashawn Gary]

That's one of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's one of the things I miss, though, like. Oh, I know I play around a lot. I make a lot of jokes. I'm always laughing and stuff. What you miss being able to compete? Not against anybody. I'm talking about being able to compete against those Steeler teams with Ike Taylor and. And James Harrison and Larry Foot and. And Joey Porter and. Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah. I thought you was gonna say you miss. You miss getting hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I don't mind that either. Listen, you know, I'm. I was like. I was like gumby. I ain't caring about that getting hit. You gotta. You gotta. I got up from every single hit except one. 11 years, one hit I didn't get up. That was it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

When you pop up fast, they Know they got you now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I pop up fast talking trash, though, every time. It was some good days, man. I miss playing them Ravens, man, them defenses, man. Dog, that. That was such a joy. Such a joy. Because you had no. You had no choice but to show up, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

There's no weakness.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was no weakness nowhere. Nowhere. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Division games are always tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Second level was good. Secondary was good. And here go my, my crazy. I'm talking. I'm talking trash all week long to take all the pressure off of everybody else on our team. So all the pressure was on me. Now all y' all got to do is just go out there and just do your job.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nah. Cause they cheap shot everybody, man, why you, man? Cause Tell Sharpen said shut up. Okay, man. Sharp leave alone. You ain't gotta block him. Well, you need to block better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I. I enjoyed it that way, man. I don't know why, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I know. Look, you know what? I. I bet. I bet your time called him from the. I bet your time called Shiloh in the locker room.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course, man. What is you. Man, what is you doing?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What? That's exactly what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What you doing? Really, son? You think so? Let me ask you a question. You hit him. You think you heard him? You think there was a greater chance. You hurt your own self or you hurt. You could hurt him. You hurt your own self, your own team. Or you hurt him or his team. Because that's how you look. There's a. I don't know if he, like. He ain't really no time. Ain't really no yeller. He's more of a talker in a stern. In. In a stern way to get his porn. Calls me. I'm like, bro, what. What come. What. What are you doing? Really? You thought that was you? That was your answer? The man, the man, the man, the man and drove you like a Winnebago. So now you mad. Cause you couldn't get him up off you. You take a swipe at it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, Charlotte, you will get the weight room, bro. Them guys. Them guys big. Them tight ends. Hey, you know, I was just strong, but I wasn't, you know, I was 228. Them guys. Not them tight ends. Not. It's 6, 4, 6, 5, 250, 260. Hey, you gotta drop anger on them. Shiloh. Get up off me. The hell you think you see?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. And prime gotta be careful. Cause Shiloh will hit him back. Well, you were the same one out there fighting with Andre. Rising. So how you sitting Here telling me about throwing punches. You was out there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Bad time. I. I bet I remember that. Like, he, like, he tried to show. He tried to show out front in my house. You can't cut them out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were going at it, boy. But it was.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I think Dre forgot that time was left handed. He would. Yeah, yeah, he was. He was looking for the right and tie with killing with the left. I think, I think that's what happened. See, that's what gets you, Ocho, because you think most of the time and I think most people are right handed. What's the percentage of right handed people if it ain't no 50, 50 like a coin flip, it's got to be like 70, 30 right at the lefty. And so you automatically assume somebody right handed. And so you like, you. You looking for that right. And he just got the upside your head with a little copy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got got. Yeah. Boy was going and see the thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Was time was smart. See, time, it wasn't punching me. Time ain't want to break his hand open, open. Ty was open handed it. But I, I think, I think Shiloh learned. I mean, hey, you like, hey, if hopefully he makes the squad and he can get this. Because this thing. If you want to practice squad, ocho, you ain't making 40, 000 a week. They gonna take your first three weeks going to the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're gonna be all right. You're gonna be all right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Like. And that's what's amazing. That's what the. The thing is, is that those fines, man, they hey, like, damn, I could have used that 40,000 too.

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