Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Chargers beating Chiefs in Brazil, Micah SHADES his former teammates

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho React to Chargers Beating Chiefs in Brazil, Micah SHADES His Former Teammates

Date: September 6, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Podcast: Club Shay Shay / Nightcap

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Episode Overview

The episode dives deep into the Los Angeles Chargers’ 27-21 upset win over the Kansas City Chiefs in Brazil. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco break down Justin Herbert’s performance, dissect Chiefs’ offensive struggles, analyze defensive lapses, and discuss the broader context of NFL playoff culture. The hosts also react to Micah Parsons’ veiled shots at former Cowboys teammates, exploring locker room dynamics and leadership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chargers Upset Chiefs: Reacting to the Game in Brazil

[05:08] - [08:38]

• Justin Herbert’s Big Night:

  • Herbert went 25/34 for 318 yards, 3 TDs, engineering a game-sealing drive.
  • Ochocinco highlights Herbert’s development:

    “The game was a little sloppy in the beginning, but as the game went on, the Chargers offense played extremely well.” [08:38]

  • Ladarius McConkey and Keenan Allen both drew praise, with Ochocinco singling out McConkey as a “favorite receiver.”

• Chiefs’ Defensive Miscues:

  • Shannon unpacks sideline tension:

    “Tranquil said, that's not your responsibility... you got washed down. When you know there’s no support over there…” [07:03]

• Sloppy Start:

  • Both hosts describe the first half as mistake-filled but credit the Chargers for taking control by the end.

2. Analyzing Key Plays and Chiefs’ Offensive Issues

[09:43] - [15:04]

• Travis Kelce’s Costly Collision:

  • Kelce and Xavier Worthy’s botched crossing route led to an injury, which Sharpe detailed:

    “I’ve never... run the shallow cross, run the drive... I’ve never collided with my own guy.” [11:11] “That’s either a grade 2 or grade 3 AC sprain right away when he didn’t come back in the game.” – Chad Ochocinco [13:25]

  • Both hosts lament how “the first 15 [scripted plays]” falling apart can set a negative tone.

• Receivers’ Mental Mistakes:

  • Discussed Hollywood Brown’s early drop, emphasizing situational awareness and the need to fight for first downs to maintain offensive rhythm.

3. Chiefs’ Run Game, Defensive Gaps, and Pressure

[20:01] - [23:58]

• Running Game Issues:

  • Shannon: “They need to be able to run the football better... I can’t count on Mahomes to give me 57 yards rushing a game.” [07:48]
  • Both note since Kareem Hunt’s departure, the Chiefs haven’t had a consistent ground attack.

• Pass Rush Problems:

  • The Chiefs struggled to get pressure unless blitzing, sacrificing coverage in doing so.
  • Ochocinco explains how defenders get “scary on that island”—they jump at the first move trying to prevent big plays, leaving vulnerabilities.

4. In-Depth: NFL Route Concepts and Defensive Communication

[24:23] - [28:29]

• Shannon and Ochocinco break down the nuances of covering the Chargers’ route combinations, calling for more communication among defenders and better pre-snap adjustments to counter “high-low” concepts.
• Ochocinco:

  “I would communicate... When I see that, when I see that tendency, when I see that formation... I’m gonna jump Lad [McConkey] right now, the seven coming behind me, go ahead and cheat it.” [26:12]

5. Quarterbacking and Clutch Play: Herbert’s Ceiling

[29:32] - [31:36]

• Shannon theorizes on “generational talent versus generational player”, noting you can have one without the other:

  “Two things can be true. You can be a generational talent and not a generational player. You could be a generational player without generational talent.” [30:15]

• Ochocinco flags Herbert’s need for playoff success:

  “The problem is the turnovers and decision-making when it matters most... that’s when we get to playoffs.” [31:13]

6. Kansas City Chiefs’ Supporting Cast—Mahomes and the Patriot Comparison

[33:05] - [34:42]

• Sharpe recounts Mahomes’ improvisational genius but calls out roster churn:

  “It’s hard... to keep winning with cast-offs... and they’re okay players but... somebody said, you know what? We good. We’re better without you.” [33:09]

• Ochocinco likens Mahomes' leadership to Tom Brady’s Patriots:

  “I view Patrick Mahomes the same way I view Tom Brady when he’s with the Patriots... plug and play. But nothing changed.” [33:41]

7. Concerns with Chiefs’ Defense and AFC West Landscape

[34:44] - [37:24]

• Shannon worries if Spagnuolo’s defense “can’t get pressure without bringing pressure”, putting stress on the secondary:

  “If I bring pressure, what must I do? I must sacrifice my back end because that’s with single high.” [34:59]

• Both agree AFC West is improving—Chargers and Broncos seen as tougher this year, though Ochocinco is skeptical:

  “You don’t know if the Broncos have gotten better because they haven’t played Week 1 yet.” [37:30]

8. Locker Room Culture, Micah Parsons’ Comments, and Leadership

[48:52] - [55:44]

• Shannon reads Micah Parsons’ quote about preferring the Packers’ locker room atmosphere over Dallas:

  “I tell you, I’ve never been in a locker room with guys like this. I came in Tuesday for treatment, and I saw almost every guy in the locker room. This is the first time I’ve ever seen this.” [48:53]

• Ochocinco responds with skepticism, suggesting the comment is a subtle dig at former teammates.
• Shannon’s take:

  “If you wanted camaraderie, if you wanted to build a better team, you wanted leaders, invite the guys over to your house.” [52:49] “I left Denver. I ain’t have nothing bad to say. I spent 10 years there. It was great. Move on.” [50:58]

• Extended anecdotes about how past teams created brotherhood through cards, bowling, cookouts, and social events.

9. Trick Plays, Playoff Pressures, and the Importance of Adaptability

[57:36] - [59:19]

• Micah Parsons also downplays “trick plays,” calling them a “scare tactic” for “people who can’t beat you straight up.”
• Shannon counters:

  “If that’s the case, y’all shouldn’t blitz, because the blitz is the trick.” [59:39]

• Both agree that creative play-calling is essential and not a sign of weakness.

10. Will Jerry Jones Regret Trading Micah Parsons? Cowboys’ Defensive Future

[63:38] - [66:39]

• Shannon quotes Jerry Jones praising Cowboys’ stopgap efforts after Parsons’ departure, but doubts if the Cowboys can replace his production:

  “You don’t have an impact player similar to that of Michael Parsons. You don’t have that nowhere.” – Ochocinco [64:00]

  • Sharpe lists past Cowboys legends (Demarcus Ware, Larry Allen) who went on to excel elsewhere after being let go:

    “You let Larry Allen go. Larry Allen was still an All Pro.” [65:22]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• On Justin Herbert’s Talent:
  • “You can be a generational talent and not a generational player. You could be a generational player without generational talent.” — Shannon Sharpe [30:15]
• On Team Leadership:
  • “If you wanted camaraderie, if you wanted to build a better team, you wanted leaders, invite the guys over to your house.” — Shannon Sharpe [52:49]
• On Defensive Responsibilities:
  • “If I bring pressure, what must I do? I must sacrifice my back end because that’s with single high.” — Shannon Sharpe [34:59]
• On Locker Room Bonds:
  • “Why not remember the good? Why not remember the good?” — Chad Ochocinco [51:41]
• On Trick Plays:
  • “If that’s the case, y’all shouldn’t blitz, because the blitz is the trick.” — Shannon Sharpe [59:39]
• On Cowboys Letting Talent Walk:
  • “You let Larry Allen go. Larry Allen was still an All Pro.” — Shannon Sharpe [65:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [05:08] Chargers’ win breakdown & Herbert analysis
• [09:43] Chiefs’ first-half mistakes & Kelce injury
• [20:01] Chiefs’ running game and offensive rhythm
• [29:32] Generational talent vs. player, Herbert’s “next step”
• [33:05] Mahomes’ supporting cast; Patriots comparison
• [34:44] Chiefs’ defense in spotlight
• [48:52] Micah Parsons’ comments on Green Bay vs. Dallas
• [52:49] Creating locker room culture: Sharpe’s leadership anecdote
• [59:39] Trick plays and adaptability debate
• [63:38] Jerry Jones, Cowboys, and the Parsons trade

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is lively, candid, and filled with personal anecdotes, football IQ, humor, and insider perspective. Both hosts maintain an engaging, conversational tone, blending critique, praise, and storytelling.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Chargers’ victory was more than luck; Herbert’s composure and the Chargers’ weaponry suggest the AFC West is more competitive.
• The Chiefs’ troubles aren’t unsolvable—Mahomes remains the great equalizer—but both run game and pass rush are suspect.
• Leadership, camaraderie, and locker room chemistry remain crucial “intangible” factors, as emphasized by the Parsons saga.
• Playoff pressure is unique in the NFL: “Every game is a Game Seven.” [32:07]
• Successful teams foster strong bonds off the field—a lesson for stars seeking a championship legacy.

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For listeners seeking sharp analysis, stories from inside the huddle, and the real talk only “Unc” and Ocho can deliver, this Nightcap is must-listen fodder for football fans.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, the first thing about the charge that I did like, I like what Justin Herbert did. Listen, the game was a little sloppy in the beginning, but as the game went on, the Chargers offense played extremely well. Again, another thing, my favorite receiver, one of my favorite receivers in the NFL is Ladarius McConkey. Ladaris McConkey look extremely well. He's picking up exactly where he left off last year. Yes, the addition of Ken Allen and Quentin Johnston. If we can get, if we can get Quinn Johnson to be a little bit more consistent and catching, catching the ball and try to eliminate some of the drops that he had last year. They are going to be all right because that defense, they was flying all over the place. They made some great plays. Derwin James with Derwin James. Khalil Mack also contributed in, in some, in some important areas as well. On, on certain down and distances and they, they look good. I thought the Chiefs had opportunity to come back. I actually thought they were going to come back when he decided field goal towards the end of the game and chose allow stags in that defense to take over from there. But it was a, it was sloppy. In the. It was a sloppy first half, but that said, really good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm watching. I don't know what Kelsey was thinking on that drive route. He watches. What's. Derwin James.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He does this. When a db. I see a DB does that. He's telling me his man coverage. He's telling me they're locking it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He tells me he does this, and that's why my home's like, what are you doing? And he knew it at the end. It's like, bro, you got to keep going. That's. That's what they. You call it. Drive a shallow cross. But whatever the case may be, he's a man coverage.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All they got to do is if he keeps running, the ball's going to hit him on the hands. He turns up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Touchdown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Perfect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, look, we don't know. I mean, now you possibly. Maybe they're onsided. They got their timeouts. Maybe they do what they did. But if Chris Jones takes that same angle, we're going to get the same result. We'll never know. But there were some mistakes that were made that you can't have. I mean, the first play of the game, you got two guys running. You got two guys running crossing route, and somehow Kelsey picks his own guy and looks like he separated his shoulder or sprained his shoulder. I'm like, damn. How many times have you. Ocho, how many times have you run crossing route? I've never. In 14 years of running crossing routes, I've run the shallow cross, run the drive. Well, I'm trying. I'm the picker, and sometimes they're picking for me. I've never collided with my own guy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, listen, it's all about. Understand. It's all about spacing, knowing where your depth is supposed to be. And if you have somebody pressing you, which I think. Which might have been the problem, whoever was pressing either through Kelsey off his route, either through Kelsey off his line, which is why they ran into other. But also, if it's man to man, you got to have your eyeline. You got to have your eyeline up in front to see what's in front of you anyway. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure how that happened, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Plus, the fact is, it's already understood. One of you are high, the other is low. One of you guys, one of you guys are three to five, the other guy five to seven. I don't know who's supposed to be high. I don't know who's supposed to be Low.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can see. You can see. Xavier Worthy was low. So that means Kelsey was supposed to be five to seven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I don't get it. I don't know. I don't. And like I said, I'm like, damn. God, if that's probably a precursor of things to come because hold Ocho now how many times. That's the first 15. We done talked about that. We had that and walk through. We discussed it last night right before the game. Hey, we talked about it. Hey, everybody. Like these plays coming out and damn, the first, third down, this is what we get.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you know what? That's the funny thing when you talk about X and O zunk, the way it's written on paper and coaches wanted to look a certain way, but they don't take into account. When you have a defense out there, you have a person pushing and tugging you, certain things have to adjust. So Kelsey, if anything, if you got a man playing you, playing you man to man, go extra yard, maybe go to. And that doesn't happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, press me. And I'm supposed to be the low guy. I run it. I run in the line of scrimmage, I'll be behind the line of scrimmage. Hey, I the liable to pick your ass off. Oh, Joe, you not. I'm not going to collide with my own guy. They like, well, damn. They were like, damn, you should have just took the ball out of John's hand. I let. Well, hey, hey, he was fighting, pushing, tugging and Right. I'm not. I'm not going to let him throw the timing of the route off by pressing me and causing me to either get to gain depth. No, I already know I'm the low guy. And so it might be a situation. Look, I'm the low guy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I got a pick for the high guy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. It is what it is. But the timing must be the timing, Ocho. But I'm not gonna run into my own guy. That's what I'm not gonna do. I'm not running into my own guy. Now, I might run into the other guy and they call me for an illegal pick, but I'm not picking my own damn guy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And hold on. Not only did you pick him, he got hurt. And as soon as soon as he got hurt, obviously, when you're running that cross like that and you're looking back at the quarterback, your body's relaxed. Yeah, your body's relaxed. So anything that hits, especially that shoulder, the first thing I said, yeah, that's either a grade 2 or grade 3 AC spring right away when he didn't come back in the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause grade one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you, you good. Grade one, you coming back in the game. But he missed the whole game after that. I say it gotta be grade 2 or grade Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much shoulder strength do you think he got? He'll buck 60. So think about that, Ocho. He weighs 160 pounds.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't got no, he ain't got no shoulder. And it doesn't take a whole lot to mess a shoulder up anyway. Especially when you don't have the muscle development in that area.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Especially when you're not looking and your body, Body relapse and just something hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like that you ain't. Because you don't get chance to tense up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. Bingo. Bingo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So a lot, a lot of times, if we know, oh, we going across the middle, we gonna catch a pass.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get a chance to brace.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when I'm catching the pass and I'm relaxed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And I got it, it hurts that much more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It hurt people. People need to understand when they see certain hits like that. When you know it's coming, you're able to brace. It doesn't hurt no matter what. Like it's the ones you don't see coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ready for it. That get you the worst.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I, I, I just. Look, they got up to a bad start. Hollywood Brown had an opportunity to get a first down on the second, and he dropped it. Yeah, I don't you talk about on the second drive of the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The stock route. Well, the deep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He took his ass off the ball. He trying to get up out of there before he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was that?

[Matt Jones]

Looks like something that should not be sold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my.

[Matt Jones]

So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that. Yes. Might want to go back to the cold stalls at the Colts stadium.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Might want to go back to the drawing board on that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year and let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry, I would say.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I wouldn't fight him.

[Matt Jones]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I really prided myself understanding how the game was going. Okay, the first drive, Ocho, we got off the field in three plays.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The last thing I want to do is do north three and out, so I might just catch the ball and just drop. Because the most important thing is to stay on the field so we can get timing as an offense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys don't understand. They still try. Oh, let me bail up out of here. We. Well, now you just went two, three and outs, and now you guess what, you're going to be further out of rhythm because it's going to be longer before you get back on the field. Guys need to understand. I saw Thornton. He's running. He go, look. Understand the angle at which the guy's coming down. If he's coming down on the. He ain't chasing you like this. He's coming down at an angle like that. So if you try to cut back, he hit you. Even though you right there at the sticks, your momentum, you got no momentum to go forward. You got to go backwards. I'm like, guys, y' all don't think. Yeah, guys don't. Guys don't really think no more. Ain't no way you're thinking like. You got to understand the angle in which he's coming. If I get it, Ocho, he coming like this, I stop, cut back, go behind you. But when he's coming down, you stop, you got no momentum. His momentum is going to hit you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And push you backwards every time. If anything, especially in that situation, you got to know as a receiver or a tight end, anybody catching the ball in that situation, it's third down. Yes, it's third down. You just catch that and turn straight up field right. I'm talking about right away, play another down instead of allowing to be four down and it being a 50, 50 chance on whether y' all get it or not to keep that drag going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is sometimes, Ocho, is that guys, they don't really think about that. Every. Every play is not meant to be a big play. Every play is not meant to be a touchdown. You have to understand momentum. You have to understand where you are in the game, time of the game, what's it been like. Because there are a lot of times that maybe. Because sometimes you got to do stuff suddenly to get up out of there suddenly means taking your eyes off. Taking your eyes off the ball and try to locate the guy. Because a lot of times, I mean, you. I mean, I've seen myself. I'm doing this, Ocho. I'm. Hey, the ball should be right there, and I've got. I'm seeing where everybody's coming because I want to do something. Yeah, well, you can't do anything without the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not. Not at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it was. Things like that. But, Ocho, they're going to have to run. They're going to have. Kansas City is going to have to do more of a concerted effort to run the football.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got a question. I'm glad you just said that. When you think about the Kansas City Chiefs, right, as Pacheco has been in the past, when did the Chiefs actually ever had a running game, though? When have you actually watched the Chiefs play and been like, you know what? We got to worry about the running game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You remember when they had Kareem Hunt?

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's. Oh, before. Before he left the first time. Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know who else they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the Chiefs used to have a night with. Well, they hadn't had so much of a running game with Andy, because I don't think. I don't Think Jamal Charles was there with Andy? I don't think. I think Jamal Charles was there. I have. I don't remember. But they got to run the football. They. They got it. They put a lot of pressure. And. And the thing was tonight, defensively, they couldn't get pressure on Herbert unless they blitzed. Tranquil. Got him twice. Kaloftas got him early in the game when he tried to climb up in the pocket and collapse, fell back inside and got him. But they couldn't get pressure, generating four. So now, and it seems like when they bring pressure, it's like. Guys, Nick, is it hicks? What? Number 27. Is it Hicks? Hold on. Cause I know he made a bunch of. Yeah, Hicks. Bro, Bro. You got to be better. Yeah, you got to be better. You got to be better. The guy is screaming at you. You got no help to the seven. And you turn like he's gonna run a post, and Johnson crosses your face.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, Uncle Scary on that. Adding like that. You know that, huh? It's scary on that island. You know, the first. Most of the time, when you're in a situation like that, you going for the first move. You're going for the first move because you. You got to understand the speed of the game. Us watching is different out there actually playing it, and you ain't got no help. So whatever. Whatever you see first, you getting up out of there, you getting the body there right away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The thing is, if. If he ran, if he did something different, right on tape. Okay, so what is he showing us on tape? Because that's all I can base it on, Ocho, right? That's all I can base it on. They give us something different. I'm going to come to the sideline, Coach. This is what they did. I know what we practiced. I know what we went over. I know what they show. This is what they showed us on tape. This is what we said we were going to do against them on tape. This is what they're doing, right? Okay, fine. So that's what we're gonna have. That's what. We don't know, Ocho. We don't know. But they run the inside because all they told. They run. They run the hot, they run the high, low. So basically, you got McConkey, he studied. He gets to the flat right now. Now, Keenan Allen, he goes to the high seven.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One or two things gonna have to happen. Either you're gonna have to pass that off by McDuffie, right, retreating because he's up on lab. McConkey. Yeah, because that's all I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to hold. I'm just trying to hold the outside guy, because you got me and you playing inside leverage. So you got. You got. You cannot stop the seven route. You cannot stop the flag. You can't, because you're playing inside leverage. So you've already given me the outside. The only way you can stop it. The only way you stop that route, O Joe, is that McDuffie falls off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then Herbert, and then I'm gonna throw the ball. I'm throw the ball. So you got. You got to really time. You got to say, you know what? I believe he gonna throw this. This seven ball, and I just fall right now. But if he throws it, if he throws it to the flat, right, that's gonna be a first down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Or if anything, I mean, I'm just saying, obviously, I don't play DB and obviously, you have to stay within the scheme of the. Of the weight. Yes, yes, those things. What I would do, I would communicate. I would communicate before. When I see that. When I see that tendency. When I see that formation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know it's coming. We got that post, and we got that flat coming, right. I'm gonna tell the safety, man, listen, I'm gonna jump, lad. Right now, the seven coming behind me. Go ahead and cheat it. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I'm pass it off. Ocho say, this is how we gonna do it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hicks, you take the flat. I'm gonna say, now I got a safety in the hole. Cause if he runs the post, the safety is there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only thing that I'm weak against is the backside pot, the back pylon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now McDuffie is going to have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

To retreat right away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now Hicks got to go to the flat right now. He's got to go. He's got to take the flat right now, right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. He got to come down right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That is the only way you can stop that route. Because you got two. One's running like a little stick, what they call a stick route, and the other is running a seven right or sail route. You can't stop it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you play a man, he's gonna like, and McConnell is gonna. Is gonna occupy McDuffie right away. Hicks is playing inside leverage. So anything that I run to the outside, I'm. I'm free and clear. You can't stop it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The funny thing about it is you can Stop it. But I'm, I'm thinking and knowing it's coming as a safety. I don't even know if he has the freedom to do this, because when they turn that film on, they're gonna want you inside leverage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At what, what, nine, what, maybe nine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To 10. Who did the safety?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, not maybe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It looked like it was man coverage, so they probably just had single high safety. So he's in the hole.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no, no, no, he's, he's, he's in the hole. He's looking for, you know, okay, okay, maybe, maybe, maybe if it's a crossing route, he's gonna jump it. But he's in the hole. There's really nothing he can do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now, because Hicks is playing on, he's playing inside leverage because, because you know why, Ocho? I gotta worry about the shallow cross.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you run the, if I jump outside, he runs the shallow cross, I'm dead. I mean, it's for shape. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'm dead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now I'm inside leverage. Now I'm worried. I ain't worried about him beating me across my face, but what I've done is that I've given him a free release to the back pylon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And hey, listen, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate because obviously what you're doing is you're giving them one a one way go. You're trying to say the inside, but, but now you're vulnerable to the outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Vulnerable. And if he, if he stick you to the inside, you really done because you gonna go for the first move, Correct?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. So, you know, give them credit, but I thought the Chargers played really well. They're gonna be, they're gonna be tough. Herbert threw the ball extremely well tonight. We, we. Look, he has physical, he has physical tools. A big kid. 65, 2 3rd, 240. Mobile. He's mobile. You see the athleticism, I mean, he's shown the athleticism. We watched him in, in the, was that the Rose Bowl, I think, his final year, and he, he did what he did. I didn't know he had that kind of athleticism. And he doesn't show it a whole lot, but he got better. He's, he's above, he's an above average athlete, so. Which tells me he got, he can get out of harm's way if he needs to. We know the arm that, we know the arm talent. Yeah. We can't deny that. You can say he ain't won nothing, but we can't deny the Armed talent. And the thing is, Ocho, there are two things that play here. Two things can be true. You could be a generational talent.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And not a generational player. You could be a generational player without generational talent. See, I think sometimes you like, you got to have both. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Brady and Manning might not be generational talent, but you can't argue they're generational players.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the thing that we can see, what we measure, Ocho, man, look at his arm strength, man. Look how big he is, man. Look how fast he is, Ocho. Look how athletic he is. Okay? Those are things that we can see. But we've seen guys that had tremendous, God, gifted ability.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not turn out to be generational players.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or not be even good players or great players. So two things can be true. You can be a generational talent and not a generational player. You could be a generational player without generational talent.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. But you look at build a quarterback, you look at, golly, dude, 6, 4, 6, 5, 2, 35, 2:40. Yeah, bro. He could throw, bro, he throw the out. He throw the dig. He throw the comeback. He can throw the over. He could throw the seven. He could throw the bang. Oh, he could throw the shake. He could throw. Hold on and get out of harm's way. He can throw the ball on the move left, right. Oh, my goodness. What is there not to like about it, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

So listen, what we saw from Herbert the night dunk is what we've seen since he's gotten in the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Problem with him, he puts up big numbers, touchdowns, yards. He does that. The problem is the turnovers in decision making when it matters most. And that's, that's, that's, that's when we get to playoffs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's. He needs to do this in a playoff game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's, that's the hard part. Because the playoff, nothing like a week one. It's nothing like a week one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the, that's the difference is different. It all when there's finality. Because guess what? Whoever lost this game, guess what, ocho? They got 16 more. Whoever won this game, they got 16 more. But come playoff time, it ain't the best of five. It's not the best of seven. Every game in the NFL is a game seven. So if you think game seven or the NBA finals or the NBA playoffs or the MLB playoffs or. Or hockey playoffs, you think that's Something that's what an NFL player go through every playoff game. It is a game seven.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There is no tomorrow Y It's only and it's only.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, it's funny. It's only three game sevens too. It's only three game seven until the big dance. Unless you got a, a week one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bye bye. Yeah, it's, it's, it was like I said, oo I, I, I kind of wanted Kansas City to score to see how they were going to play it. Maybe they do the same thing, Ocho. Maybe they kick the ball deep, they got their timeout. They got the two minute warning. They try to hold them maybe the own we won't ever know because you know they didn't get an opportunity. Defense didn't get off the field. But I think we the Chargers deserve credit. I thought Mahomes, once he got it going, I mean he had to be. I mean come on Oo the man's parallel to the guy and he throws it over his head and juju catches it. I mean you if when you go back and look at it oo Think about it. Juju. The Steelers moved on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Che. The Patriots moved on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Taquan Thornton ran 4:2 at the combine. The Patriots says nah. Kareem Hunt is a, is a comeback. Came back Hollywood Brown. The Ravens traded him. The Cardinals said now we good. I mean think about it. It's hard, Ocho, to keep winning with cast offs and look and they're okay players but let's. It is what it is, Ocho. Somebody said, you know what? We good. We're better without you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But listen, you also have to understand there's always somebody else coming behind you that wants your job. There are also other people that come behind you that take your job where you they fit the system better. They just fit the system better. So for, for Mahomes, Mahomes is a tier one quarterback. He's one where the people around him don't matter. I view Patrick Mahomes the same way I view Tom Brady when he's with the new Patriots. The pieces to the puzzle with the Patriots offensively they change differently every year. Every year there was somebody else plug in and play. Plug in and play. But nothing changed. They remain consistent offensively. Why? Because that, that centerpiece, that one piece that match, that was 12. So I, I really view the Kansas City Chiefs that way. Tyreek Hill is gone. Since Tyreek Hill, it's been a multitude of different players, different receivers and they haven't missed a beat. They haven't missed a beat. And even though they didn't play up the par, they tonight in week one, Andy re gonna figure it out. He gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm more concerned with the defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think so? Already Spago had him boys on point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because O, they couldn't get pressure without bringing pressure. They couldn't get pressure. And now, now if I bring pressure, what must I do? I must sacrifice my back end because that's with single high.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Somewhere, somewhere on the back end.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got, I gotta, I gotta sacrifice something. Oo right. If I make X amount of dollars, something's not gonna get paid this month. Yeah. I'm just saying. What's not gonna get paid? Hey, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the cell phone bill, yeah. The cable bill, light bill, gas bill, but something, because I only have X amount of dollars. I only have so much money to stretch. I can only stretch it so far, right? So as my grandma said, I seen you a little piece of something, son. Hey, that's all I got. I like CJ more on the inside, at the shade as I do instead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Of going to the nine technique.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But because he doesn't have, he doesn't have an advantage out there. His quickness, he, he's, he's extremely quick for a guard, but he's not quick for an end. So he doesn't gain, he doesn't gain an advantage. Yeah, but now you, there are some guys that he might be able to beat, but when he's in that, when he's in that shade, when he's in the under, he's at three Tech.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I like, that's where I like C.J.

[Chad Ochocinco]

@. I, I, I think, you know what, I, I, I like that, that he does do it because you can never know where he's going to be. You have to account for him. You have to account for him. And it's confusing to the offensive lineman because you have, you always have. When you come to the line before the snap, you always got to see where is 95 at? Let's identify 95. I think that's why you move him, move him so much because he's able to do so much more and he doesn't have to deal with that double team all the damn time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, well, I like it more than a five or, or, or, or seven as opposed to a nine. Now they want him to get him wide because they want to get him on the edges, right? And they don't want the chip. But he doesn't get, if he's if he's playing against like alt did a great job of neutralizing, but you got to realize those guys out there are really athletic.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Very advantage that you have is that when you don't have the athleticism, they normally bump you down inside to the guard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Those tackles are really athletic. Those are guys that were tight ends that played a lot of other positions.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When. When, when they were smaller. They weren't always that size and they probably played. Maybe they were a tight end or maybe they were, you know, a basketball player at one point in time that just grew out of that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I think Kansas City's offense is going to be fine. I'm sure Andy will find a way to get up out of this. But that the AFC west has gotten better.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Denver is better. The Chargers are better. We'll see what the rate. We'll see what the Raiders are going to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, slow down, slow down. You don't know if the Broncos have gotten better because they haven't played Week 1 yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Broncos have gotten better. It's hard, it's hard for me to see a scenario right. Based on the court. The court. Sean Payton. Yes, Sean Payton. Quarterbacks don't normally regress.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't now. It could happen, have a side, but he's not a guy that's gonna let you regress because he gonna ride. Desean Payton is old school guy. He learned on the parcels.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they go. They, they ride you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I have a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who do the Denver Broncos play week one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The. Yeah, they played. They played the Titans and them. And played the Titans in Mile High.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, wait, I don't know. Calvin really? And Cam Ward. Calvin really? And Cam Ward.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard to get the ball. It's hard to throw the ball when you're on your back. The Broncos led the league in sacks last year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, what year was that last year? Yes. 20, 25, dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, but you told me. Cat, you say. You say New England. You told me affiliate had nothing to worry about. Same personnel. That what you told me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, actually, I said defensively they had something to worry about because they let Slay go. They let Slay go and they let. I forgot the young bull that played.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about. What about the guy that was calling the plays?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that. That's right. Hey, hey. I guarantee you, I don't know who the Eagles play next. Oh, they play the Chiefs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I played.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I guarantee the first, the first 15. You know, the first 15 plays are scripted Yeah, I guarantee you, I guarantee you three of those plays are specifically for A.J. brown. I guarantee the first play going right to him. Because that's, well, I'm looking at, that's ridiculous. Even though they won the game. Even though they won the game. You can't do your star player like that. You can't, you just can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm looking at Justin Herbert and they're like, okay, we can throw the ball. Yeah, Well, I mean, A.J. brown is better than Quentin Johnson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me tell you why they can't throw the ball as well. Did you see Omarion Hampton?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see? Okay, rookie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, look, look, he not look. They, they ran the ball 25 times for 90 yards. That's nothing. That, that ain't that. I, I, I look, I mean, that's less than four yards of carry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but that's the problem. That's a good balance though, huh? It's a good balance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing, Ocho. If you can't pressure without, if you couldn't get pressure with the Chargers offensive line, what makes you think you'll get pressure with the Eagles offensive line? They got the two number one rated tackles in football.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you bring pressure, you open up your back end. I think the back end is weak. I don't think, I don't, I don't think the Kansas City Chiefs secondary is like, oh my God, we can't do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hold on. But obviously the Kansas City secondary normally plays two shell in cover 2 or 55, one or the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So everything had everything. Most of the time your success is going to have to come from the run game and forcing them to drop a safety down, which they, they, which they had to do when they played the Eagles in the super bowl to make sure Saquon Barkley is not beating us. Right. They did something they don't normally do outside of that two shell bump and run on the outside, throw off the time and whoever's in the slot or number three or tight end, you got to win. Yeah, the win. Because that's what a one on one is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it's gonna, it's gonna be interesting to see. You know, that's a big game next week, obviously. Chiefs. I mean, when was the last time the Chiefs started 0 2? I don't think they've started 0 and 2 in the Mahomes era.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, probably not. Probably not. Absolutely not. That's gonna be a good game, though. That's gonna be a very, very good game. Rematch of the Super Bowl. That's gonna be a nice one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They hadn't lost two. They hadn't started the season 02 since 2014. Ocho, the Kansas City Chiefs entered tonight with an incredible 17 game win streak in one score games regular season and postseason. That streak dating back to Christmas Day 2023 against the Raiders is not over. Look, when you have that guy, you have a chance. Yeah, that's what, that's how you feel when you have a, A, a legendary great quarterback. When you had a Brady, you have a Mahomes, you have a Peyton Manning, you have a, a breeze or Montana or John Elway. You always feel if we can keep it close, they'll make a play in the end that'll win the game for us.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We trust them. We just need to keep it close. We need to get it close or keep it close, whatever the case may be, and then they'll make a play for us. Give them credit. And that's what happens when you have a. Because a lot of things need to go right for your defense, need to get the ball back for you. So three and out, take the ball away. And then Mahomes and that offense need to do what they've done 17 times before tonight, which is find a way to get in field goal range or to win the game with a touchdown. So I just. That's a long way to return home after L. Yeah, it is. It is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Either way for us, for, for the fans, for the football fans, for me. I'm not sure if you enjoyed it, but. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the game. Now, the first half was a little sloppy. Little flashes, a little play here, a little play there. But I, I enjoyed that second half. I really, really, really, really like lad McConkey. Excuse me, Ladarius McConkey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And considering Justin Herbert in last year's playoff game, he had four interceptions. He couldn't pick the better way to start the season. A 3 8, a 303 TD game. Look, there's no question this is our talent. He has above average athleticism. The only thing is, okay, come playoff time, bro, we. We need something like this, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not saying you got to give us three, three and three, 300 yards pass and three touchdowns. But you can't give us four INTs either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but one thing there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There ain't a whole lot of defenses that could overcome that kind of poor performance from their quarterback. Go ahead. O. You want to say something?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I said one thing they gonna do is they're gonna drop back and throw that ball. They gonna drop back and throw that ball over there in la.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week. That is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was that?

[Matt Jones]

Looks like something that should not be sold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh my.

[Matt Jones]

So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that. Yes. I might want to go back to the Colt Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I thought the shape we have with pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him. I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Uh huh.

[Matt Jones]

But fear not, the solid verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss. An impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Tyler, we live it. Listen to the Solid verbal College Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Florio. And together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Fantasy season is here. And the question is, are you ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To dominate your league?

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

So what's it going to be?

[Matt Jones]

Another just okay season or total fantasy domination? Listen to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show, and we had a blast. We talked about her recent 40th birthday celebrations, Co hosting a podcast with her fiance, sue, bird watching, former teammates retire, and more. Never a dull moment with Pino. Take a listen. What do you miss the most about being a pro athlete? The final. The final and the locker room. I really, really like you. Just you can't replicate. You can't get back. Showing up to the locker room every morning just to talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar AZ Foote. I mean, seriously, y', all, the guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And you know we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they should. Oh, Joe. Michael Parsons took a veiled dig at his former Cowboy teammates while praising the Packers. I tell you, I've never been in a locker room with guys like this. I came in Tuesday for treatment, and I saw almost every guy in the locker room. This is the first time I've ever seen this. That shows just how much these guys want to be here. They want to be around each other and hang out. I think that's important. And when you're around guys like that, it makes it exciting to come to work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, is he really taking a shot at his other teammates or the fact that everyone's in the training room or maybe just nobody was hurt while they were in Dallas?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said he came in for treatment. And guys within the locker room. He didn't say nothing about they came in for treatment. He said he was getting treatment. He said guys were in the locker room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Locker room. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I like it. I like it. But, I mean, the. The way you make it sound. He make it sound like when he come to Dallas to the Cowboys locker room to come get treatment, Ain't nobody in the locker room.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Duh. You. That's. Is that what you took it? Because that's what he meant.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said guys like coming to work, guys like being around each other. That's how he made it. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say you took it, like, when he got treatment in Dallas with nobody locker room. That's exactly how we meant it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That. That's messed up. That's messed up. I need Michael to take the high road. I need Michael to take the high road. And don't say nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, you ain't say that to Jerry when Jerry was Salt me up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly. I don't. Don't. Don't stupid. Jerry's level. Don't stupid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm. I'm 1,000 with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I won't. I won't. Uno. Since he wear number one now, I want him to wait. Don't do no talking. And do all the talking. Week four. Do all the talking. Week four with your plate. Yeah, he. He better than me. You know what I would have did?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would have had a. A shirt. I would have had a shirt underneath my jersey. Right? And every time I sack. Every time I sack, that lift it up, that thing gonna say, how you like that, Jerry? Every time straight to camera.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think I agree with you. Oo. I left Denver. I ain't have nothing bad to say. I spent 10 years there. It was great. Move on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spent two years in Baltimore. Got nothing to say. Go back. It's just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I. You know, I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't like that when you, when you, when you're in a place that you played for, that you like that paid you, that gave you an opportunity. I, I don't, I don't like when you leave a certain place and all of a sudden now you have something bad to say about said place. That's like you're dealing with somebody. You're dating somebody for a while and you have great memories. Obviously sometimes you have bad memories. But why not remember the good? Why not remember the good?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a firm believer in that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Just, just because you two may not be together anymore. Allah Cowboys and Michael Parsons is no need to remember the bad. Just remember the good. And then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And leave and go on with grace. It's easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? So for some reason, that's just the way to my. The, The. The mind is wired.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you signed a thousand autographs. The one you don't sign.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho's an.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's messed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all. So what was this? Where's his quote at? I mean, did he say anything else? Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I, I think, I think I might, I might go to that game. That, that, that, that, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cowboys, Packers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It depends on where. If it's in Dallas, that's a two hour flight from Miami. If it's all the way in Green Bay or Wisconsin, that's a, That's a little too far. I think that's a little too far. But if it's in Dallas, I'm gonna go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's gonna be in Dallas. But my thing is, Micah, if. If you wanted camaraderie, if you wanted to build a better team, you wanted leaders, invite the guys over to your house. Hey, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, guys, that if you trying to build that, you can build it. Hey, guys, you know, my mom's gonna cook. Hey, we got a barbecue. I'm gonna have some. I'm gonna have somebody put some steaks, put something on the grill. Hey, man, let's come over. Hey, let's go bowling. Let's go. That's what we did. We went bowling. I mean, hey, Tuesday loach or our day off, we might go bowling or we might go to the movies or we go over to somebody's house and gamble. Yeah, that's what we did. We really, truly enjoyed being around each other.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it's so funny that you just mentioned that. And saying that is something you should have done if you wanted to have a team bonding moment, especially by position or by defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yesterday I sat with all the entire defensive line for the Bengals. Trey HENDERSON, Shamar Stewart, B.J. hill, I don't know. All the rest of the boys name, man, is about, maybe, maybe 12, 13, 13, 14 of them right here by the stadium at a place called Eno. And I sat with them boys about, you know, five, ten minutes. Hey, and it's so funny, I've been out the game for so long. You know how you used to seeing people 6, 6, 6, 5, 6, 7, 2. I'm looking at these dudes like, man, what the hell? But y' all big as hell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I go to myself like, how did I play this? I played this game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly that's. And I'm looking like, have I been going that long?

[Sarah Spain]

Where?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm looking like, well, is everybody this size? Yeah, I've been going too long, man. I've been going too long. Yeah, they had, I had, they had the nerve to ask me to pay for the bill. They had it, huh? Jamar Stewart just got paid. Trey Henderson, they just gave you a 14 million dollar raise last week. What you talk, man, Stop playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For us. I just believe in Michael Case. If you want to build that, if you want to foster that type of environment as a leader, you can do it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, guys, let's come over. Let's come, let's come over. Ray used to have the defense come over and they go over plays. Guys, we went to, it was offense, defense. Hey, man, hey, let's go get something to eat. We come out, we go out the workout. Let's just say it's OTAs after workout. It'd be about 15 of us. We go out to eat. We go out to eat, go get something to eat. Hey, man, what y', all, man, what you doing, man? Hey, let's go bowling, right? Hey, we go bowling. Hey, man, what y' all doing, man? Hey, let's go to the movie, man. It'd be about, It'd be about 15, 20 in the movies, Ocho. And guess what? 20 minutes into the movies, everybody sleep. Everybody sleep. Hey. Hey, somebody wake up. Hey, man. Man, you got no more popcorn milk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's, you know, when you think about it too, especially today's generation. Today's generation. Today's era of players getting them to do stuff. Getting them to do stuff as one might be difficult, especially Dallas. When there's too goddamn much to do, it's too much to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you right. I mean, I, I, I think the thing is now there was really no Internet guys Still play video games. And guys took. That. Took their. Their PS2, PlayStation and stuff on the road, and they played video games. But, I mean, I'm telling you, we were close in Denver. We were extremely close. I'm. I'm saying we might be done with practice at three, and by the time we got done with meetings, it was 4. We might not leave the building till 6, 7 o'. Clock. I mean, we got guys be like, man, y' all gonna get me divorced. See, Sharp ain't got nobody to go home to, but I got a wife and kids. And they gonna be, hey, baby, I'm on my way. We had meeting. No, he didn't. He played cards. Hey, Lethal. Lethal, he rolled it down. That was at Water's White. Hey, Lethal, he rolled the dice. He ain't have no extra meetings.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's funny, man. But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Ocho, we were really. And that's my thing. Micah, if you wanted that type of environment as a leader, you can do it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As the best player, they're going to follow you. Now, here's the thing. Now, they see. They see what you do. Now. You can't be. You can't be saying, okay, we're gonna do this. And. But as a. As the. As. As one of the best players, if that's the type of environment that you want to foster, right. You build it. You got to lay a foundation. You do that. So that's something they learn. I mean, it's like, Ocho, I don't like when you go to the. Go to high school. You go to a new high school. You go to high school from junior high, you follow everybody to see where the cafeteria is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So this is something that's been passed down in Green Bay. This is kind of what they do. So, like I said, hopefully, everything works over thing. Everything works itself out with Michael. Michael has found his way. It's tough. Oh, Joe. It's tough because, you know, basically they said. And they say, well, we got better. We got better without Micah. Right. You never want to think and somebody's gotten better without you. Micah also has some shade for the Lions. I never liked Detroit. I've never liked them, even when I was in Dallas. He also said trick plays as a scare tactic. Trick plays. Trick plays are for people who can't beat you straight up. You know, I'm trying to win the game. I'm trying to win. I don't care how I beat you. It's like a guy running around the ring and trying to jab, meet me in the Middle. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. My job is to win while taking as little punishment as possible. Yeah, that's what guys. That's what guys who do trick plays do. They can't beat your head up. They want you to come out physically. They want to. They don't want to be dominant. It's a scary tactic, I guess, but I can beat you any which way. Well, you will get your opportunity. You'll get your opportunity if you play. If you play on Sunday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he. Man, you know he playing. You know he playing Sunday. He's absolutely playing Sunday. And the funny thing about it, you talk about Detroit metric plays and what Ben Johnson used to do with the creativity. Well, you don't remember the Chiefs. You don't remember the Chiefs with all those trick plays. They had the ring around the Rosie. My favorite was the. When the whole huddle was. Was. Was going in the circle. Oh, man, I was like, man, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like Detroit's trick plays. They be throwing. They be throwing back, shoulder fades, the tackles. They be running screen pass, the pedestal. I mean, hey, I love last year. Detroit beat the Cowboys 47, nine. Damn. You don't get no 47 points on. On trick plays. That's a good old fashioned ass whipping there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, I don't think Michael. I don't think Michael played. He didn't play. Okay, but look, look, Micah, that's like saying, well, if that's the case, y' all shouldn't blitz because the blitz is the trick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That means you can't get to the quarterback with your four. So you got to bring an extra one or two.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you got. Or. Or you got to run a. Or you got to run a text.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tackle in twist. You got to, you know, you. I'm saying something like, you. So you got to do that. I mean, so the offense does something, the defense also get an opportunity to do it. So you can't say, oh, well, they blitz because they can't take it straight up. They four can't. Well, I'm trying to win the game. I'm not really listening to you, Michael. I'm really not. I'm really not. But like I said, the only thing I say. Micah, if you wanted that type of environment in Dallas, you can create it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you look, listen at the documentary. Listen to how Micah, Mike, Emmett, Haley, look how they talk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not graded. I mean, some of the stuff, you know, hey, the stuff that Mike had going, some of the stuff that the White House and hotels. Okay. But they talked about how close they were as a team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Team. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they were. And I'm telling you how close we were as a team in Denver. Now, we had our core guys that. That did stuff that, you know, we would go to Ray's house or we would go out. We'd go out on a night, like a Monday night or something like that, knowing that we had Tuesday off or, you know, Thursday night or something like that. Watch the game. Raised mama with Buffy, would cook. Yeah, but we. We were close, but we had it. It was our group. Me, Suge, Corey, Woody, and sometimes Jamal. Sometimes we let Jamal tag along, even though he was a rookie, we let him tag along, but for the most part.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's. Corey Fuller.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Corey Harris.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Corey. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Fuller wasn't there when I was there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no. Corey Harris. And so, you know, but we. We. We. You know, we did. We did things together. You know, we went out together. You know, we. You know, off season, we go to Vegas or we go to the NBA All Star Weekend. We did things together. But in Denver, it was really like 15. We go to Vegas, it'd be about 812 of us by week. So we have, you know, we had the home. Home field advantage. We going to Vegas, right? Yeah. Oh, we. Hey, man, what y' all doing, man? I don't know, man. I'm thinking about going home, man. Let's go to Vegas. Damn, man, I really need to get home, man. I ain't been. Man, come on. All right, we going to Vegas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that. I like. I like that. Yeah, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, look, bro, I. Hey, all I got in Vegas, I got, like, two days. I got Friday night, Saturday night, I want to get there, you know, get me a nap in. We go gamble. We go out. Come in, I get me a workout in Saturday morning, take me another nap. Gamble, we go out. I'm coming back to get my bags. I'm going to the airport. I'm going home.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Matter of fact, you just. You just triggered something in my head. I got the call today about Vegas. I appreciate. I appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. Hey. You know how much I love that, sport. I appreciate that. I don't know if I can say anything yet, so I wait until we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We get there, but we. We'll make that announcement next week.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, thank you. Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but we do it way. We working over here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, thank. Thank you. Hey, matter of fact, that name you just said about three times. You. You. You fixed that. Y' all you fixed that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nothing to be. Ain't nothing need to be fixed. Don't y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you ain't. You ain't even.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we good. Damn good, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, we good. We good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we always gonna be good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. Appreciate that. Appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry Jones was asked if the Cowboys lost to the Eagles last night, if his team missed. Micah. Jerry. Well, anytime you have a great player, you don't have him out there on the field. But I was specifically watching some guys who could pick up the slack. Number 54, Sam Williams, had some really significant impact. Ocho, do you believe Jerry will ultimately regret trading Michael Parsons?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I. I believe so. I believe so. Because you talk about some of the players that could make an impact, but you don't have an impact player similar to that of Michael Parsons. You don't have that nowhere. I know you brought Kenny Clark in. Kenny Clark plays over. Over the nose, over the tackle, and that's pretty much it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's more of a run stuffer.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If he's more. He's more of a run stuffer. Yes. Now, I'm not sure what the defensive ends are going to be able to do that they have now, but what we saw with Jalen Hurts being able to escape the pocket because people weren't disciplined and staying within their lanes. Michael Parsons is running some of those down. Huh? He's running some of those down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So, I mean, it's still too early to say, but I really do think letting a talent like Michael Parsons go, understanding how disruptive he is as a player, based on down the distance, especially when it's time to pin those ears back and you can just go and play free. Yeah. You can't replace that. You can't replace that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the question is, Jerry, do you regret waving demarcus Ware? Cause all he did was go become an All Pro, go to a Pro bowl player and help lead a Denver defense that ended up winning a Super Bowl. That happened.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You let Larry Allen go. Larry Allen was still an All Pro. We go to San Francisco and go to Pro Bowl. He was still that good. I think sometimes. Oo. You know, when you've made a mistake, you hate making a mistake.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you hate admitting it, especially publicly. You might like, damn, I shouldn't have did that. But it's okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He won't say that. That's not. That's not his DNA to say that. I actually made a mistake about letting the player go Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't. I don't believe he'll say that either. But look, I don't think the defense played bad, but the question is, can they generate pressure without bringing. Without bringing pressure? Yeah, because I don't. You. You sacrifice your back end, there ain't a whole lot of back ends that can hold up. So you're gonna have to find a way to generate pressure. When the Cowboys were at their best, Michael was pinning their ears back, and Diggs was getting sick. Pick sixes. And. And Daron Bland was getting pick sixes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, you can sit on stuff. You can take gambles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct. Because you know the ball's got to come out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It got to come out. It got to come out. No, it's all about when you play the guessing game as a defensive back, you can cheat it because you know the ball got to come out.

[Matt Jones]

Hey, this is Matt Jones. And I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was that? Oh, my.

[Matt Jones]

We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining, and twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio Apple Pod or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid verbal College football Podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the solid verbal college football podcast on the the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. I'm Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Florio. And together we host the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Matt Jones]

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[Sarah Spain]

Get fired up, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people, an incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe. To the show and we had a blast. Take a listen. Sue and I were like riding the lime bikes the other day and we're like, wee people ride bikes because it's fun. We got more incredible guests like Megan in store, plus news of the day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Where Matt and Stack sit down with.

[Matt Jones]

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[Sarah Spain]

Folks find it hard to hate up close, and when you get to know people and you're sitting in their kitchen tables and they're talking like we're talking, you know, you hear our story, how.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Sarah Spain]

And you get a chance for people to unpack and get beyond Race all.

[Matt Jones]

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