Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Jerry Jeudy has NO WORRIES about the Ravens + Lavonte David joins

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho React to Jerry Jeudy Has NO WORRIES About the Ravens + Lavonte David Joins

Date: September 11, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Guest: Lavonte David (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" on Club Shay Shay sees Shannon "Unc" Sharpe and Chad "Ocho" Johnson dive into hot NFL topics coming out of Week 1. The conversation centers around Denver Broncos receiver Jerry Jeudy's bold comments on the Baltimore Ravens' defense, realistic expectations for players who talk, the evolving identity of the Ravens defense, and a detailed, candid interview with Bucs veteran linebacker Lavonte David. The hosts provide lively banter, stats, behind-the-scenes insights, and a healthy dose of football culture and humor throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jerry Jeudy’s Comments on the Ravens’ Defense

Timestamps: 06:30 – 14:30

• Sharpe and Ocho unpacked Jerry Jeudy’s statement to the media that the Ravens secondary presents “no challenges.”

  • Ochocinco defends Jeudy: “Absolutely none. That’s what you’re supposed to say.” (06:43)
  • Both hosts stress that coming from adversity (“the bottom”) breeds confidence and boldness in players.
  • Stat breakdown: Ravens allowed 394 passing yards last week, including 250 in the fourth quarter.
    Sharpe: “That secondary...this oxtail, this neck bone, this collard greens, mac and cheese, cornbread, sweet tea.” (07:31)
  • Ravens’ defense is no longer their identity; offense now defines them. Sharpe laments the era of Ray Lewis and Ed Reed is gone.

• Hosts argue that bulletin board material is overblown.

  • Sharpe: “So let me get this straight. If I don’t say anything, they’re gonna forfeit the game and give us the win?” (14:03)
  • Ocho: “The proof is in the pudding … based on what the Ravens gave up defense last year.” (13:58)

• The mentality:

  • Ocho grants every team grace in Week 1, but says Jeudy’s comments were fair, based on Baltimore’s past and present stats.

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2. NFL Defensive Identities and Strategy

Timestamps: 14:26 – 15:37

• Sharpe and Ocho discuss the nuances of strategy depending on QBs:
  • More pressure may be brought against less mobile QBs (like Joe Flacco), as opposed to mobile threats like Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen.
  • Sharpe notes: “The Ravens are the old Cleveland Browns, and now we got the new Cleveland Browns—no love lost.”

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3. Lavonte David Interview: Leadership, Longevity, and the Bucs

Timestamps: 16:01 – 44:52

Situational Defense: Closing Out Games

• Lavonte on high-pressure late-game defense: “All I try to say is just, man, stay calm … make a play at the end of the day, you know what I’m saying? … Nothing cheap, nothing deep.” (19:36)
• The importance of teamwork, keeping everything in front, and not allowing big plays.

Team Morale and Fast Starts

• David says locker room morale is strong after an early divisional win: “Everybody’s healthy, everybody ready to go, everybody energetic, and they feel like we got a lot more wins left in us.” (21:45)

On Baker Mayfield’s Development

• First impressions: “All we need you to do is just be yourself … just be Baker Mayfield that we know and love. … His confidence is out the roof…” (22:28)
• Differentiating leaders:
  • Tom Brady: “Hardcore guy, very passionate, perfectionist...he don’t want everything to be, yeah perfectionist.” (24:00)
  • Baker Mayfield: “Cool, calm, and collected...just talk you through it. ‘I want you to do it like this, right here.’” (24:00, 24:37)

Leadership & Accountability

• Transition to elder statesman: “At first, it’s been challenging … different people take constructive criticism different ways. … Coach Bowles gives you the freedom.” (28:15)
• On player-driven accountability at all three levels: “Vita take care of the front end, I take care of the middle, and Antoine (Winfield Jr.) take care of the back end.” (29:35)

The Desmond Watson Story: Medical Risks in NFL

• Honest discussion on Buccaneers’ decision to cut defensive tackle Desmond Watson due to weight/medical concerns.
• Sharpe frames it candidly: “It’s a medical issue … the last thing you want to happen to somebody… in that hot sun in Tampa.” (32:09)

Game Planning for Next Opponent

• Looking ahead to the Texans and C.J. Stroud: “He’s getting the ball out quick…Nico [Collins] obviously, playmaker, man.” (34:56)

Facing the League’s Best:

• Lavonte reminisces about facing backs like Marshawn Lynch, Darren Sproles, Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, Derrick Henry:
  • “Marshawn was a guy who, like, when you hit him…he’d get more excited.” (37:54)
  • On Derrick Henry: “King Henry is a different animal…He got these little swift little moves…good feet for a big guy.” (38:23)

Legacy and Longevity

• Inspired by the Bucs legacy (e.g., Derrick Brooks); reflecting on his 14th season:
  • “I thought I was done two years ago… But out of nowhere, I got an extra boost of energy.” (42:04)
  • “I just genuinely love the game. I’m a fan of football… Right now, man, I’m just taking in the moment.” (42:04)

On How Modern Medicine Helps Careers

• Ocho: “They got [cryo], they got laser therapy, they got PTs…They got everything now, so I can see why some of the players could be able to play as long as they have.” (46:21–46:46)

Memorable Quotes

• Lavonte David: “I love the game of football. I just don’t play the game. Like, I actually genuinely love the game.” (42:04)

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4. NFL News Round-Up & Player Moves

Timestamps: 51:07 – 77:43

Jadeveon Clowney Visiting Cowboys

• Ochocinco supports the move: “Jadeveon Clowney is going to get after your quarterback…he can add some help.” (51:40)
• Sharpe: “I just don’t think that Jadeveon Clowney ever lived up to what we thought he was going to be…tremendous first step…I thought this was the second coming, Javon Kearse.” (52:20, 53:00)

Cowboys’ Secondary Injuries

• Discussion on whether Dallas should sign veteran CB Stephon Gilmore with injuries to Bland and Diggs.

Aaron Rodgers’ Play & Aging QBs

• Sharpe on Rodgers postgame self-critique: “That’s what happens when you get old. You think in your mind you could do all these things, but you can’t.” (60:53)
• Praising Rodgers’ unique arm talent and ability to throw on the run—“Greatest throw of the football I’ve ever seen.” (61:11–62:49)

Chiefs’ WR Woes: Kelsey Collision

• Kelsey’s collision with Xavier Worthy blamed on miscommunication; Kelsey: “There’s no excuse for me running into my own guy like that.” (65:22)
• Sharpe breaks down the technique of crossing routes and “picks.”

Tyreek Hill Trade Speculation

• Extended joking debate on when is the right time for a franchise to trade a star receiver, particularly Tyreek Hill.
• Sharpe: “The best time to buy a sports car is in the winter.” (72:08)
• Ocho: “Wherever he does go, he increases the chances of getting another ring.” (75:58)

Ben Johnson’s Return to Ford Field

• Ochocinco appreciates players’ playful approach: “The booze are going to rain…and when football is played, they’re going to have to do what they need to do when that whistle blows.” (78:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NFL mind games:
  Sharpe: “I don’t go to a cancer convention and talk about diabetes. When I go to that diabetes convention, I’ll talk about diabetes right now.” (12:51)

• On Jerry Jeudy’s confidence:
  Ocho: “What you want him to say? Oh yes, they pose a challenge? No.” (10:12)

• On modern NFL longevity:
  Ocho: “When it comes to recovery and taking care of your body, they got everything now.” (46:21)

• On playing against legends:
  Lavonte David: “When you hit [Marshawn Lynch] and you talking trash to him…he get more excited…He want more.” (37:54)

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Summary Table of Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Key Points | |---------------|------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:30–14:30 | Jerry Jeudy on Ravens D | Hosts discuss his comments; Ravens' D struggles; bulletin board material | | 15:33–16:01 | Rivalry context | New vs. old Cleveland Browns; stage set for special guest | | 16:01–44:52 | Lavonte David interview | Bucs’ leadership, locker room, Mayfield vs. Brady, Watson medical risk, defensive matchups | | 51:07–54:56 | Cowboys edge rush/Jadeveon Clowney | Is Clowney a solution? Career expectations vs. output | | 54:56–60:01 | Cowboys DB injuries, Gilmore discussion | How Dallas should adapt with Bland and Diggs out | | 60:01–64:50 | Aaron Rodgers, old QBs, skill adaptation | Aging and adapting; arm talent; mental processing | | 64:50–68:17 | Xavier Worthy injury/Kelsey collision | Route-running technique and blame after in-practice collision | | 68:17–77:46 | Tyreek Hill trade speculation | Franchise strategy, cap implications, humor about “getting a discount” on elite players | | 78:04–78:58 | Ben Johnson’s homecoming (Lions/Bears) | Player/coach relationships, fun fan rivalries |

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Tone & Style

“Nightcap” continues to deliver a blend of real football analysis, personal stories, stats, and barbershop-level honesty with plenty of laughs. Shannon Sharpe anchors with football wisdom and playful sarcasm, Ochocinco interjects a fan’s passion and experience, and guest Lavonte David provides a rich, candid window into the mindset of an NFL leader. The hosts are unafraid to critique but also celebrate players’ journeys.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode offers a snapshot of today’s NFL through the eyes of two retired stars and a current veteran, all with deep knowledge and a love for the game. You’ll get insight into player egos, what really motivates bulletin board talk, and how teams handle adversity and injuries. Lavonte David’s segment is a masterclass on modern linebacker leadership, plus there’s plenty of lively speculation and laughs about player movement and NFL culture.

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Listen for These Standouts

• “This is oxtail, this neck bone, this collard greens, mac and cheese, cornbread, sweet tea. That’s what he’s looking at, that secondary.” – Shannon Sharpe (07:31)
• Lavonte David on Tom Brady vs. Baker Mayfield (24:00)
• Sharpe’s parable about conventions and critics (12:51)
• Ocho on why Clowney to Dallas makes sense (51:40)
• Sharpe on Aaron Rodgers being the greatest thrower of the football (61:11, 62:49)
• David’s reflection: “I love the game of football. I just don’t play the game. Like, I actually genuinely love the game.” (42:04)

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[Michael Irvin]

Yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Judy gave the Baltimore Ravens some bulletin board material. Head of the Sunday game. Let's go. Between two rivals, Judy was asked, asked by reporters, what challenges do the Raven secondary present? Judah responded, no challenges.

[Michael Irvin]

Absolutely none. That's what you're supposed to say. What you expecting to say? Hey, I got a question for you and everybody. I know it's early. We just starting the show. Do me a favor, do a background check. Where Jerry Judy from, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He from the bottom.

[Michael Irvin]

Listen, all the challenges we had, it started when we was kids. We was in junior high. Our, our circumstances, our upbringing, we didn't made it to the NFL. Now ain't no challenges. We go out there and do what we always do. We play ball, we play football. And based on what we saw from the back end of what the Ravens have to offer, it ain't no challenges.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. Are you. You took the word right out of my Bible. They did give up 394 passing yards. They gave up Dabna 250 in the fourth quarter alone. So what challenges do he see?

[Michael Irvin]

Talk to me. Nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now. Hey, this oxtail, this ox this neck bone, this. This. Collard greens, Mac and cheese, cornbread, sweet tea. That's what he's looking at. That secondary.

[Michael Irvin]

Hold on. Matter of fact, don't forget the dessert.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, what you want? Banana pudding? Sweet potato pie?

[Michael Irvin]

Man, ain't nothing I'm gonna tell you. And I'm listening. I know the game of football. I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not a genius. I can't predict the future. But I know one thing that the Cleveland Browns do very well is they stop the run very well. They have a phenomenal front four. So I don't think. I don't see Derrick Henry, you know, being able to do some of the things that he's done on most teams, because the personnel. The Cleveland Browns are built to stop the run. Hey, Jerry Judy going to have a day, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He should. The Ravens allowed 244 yards passing last season. That was second worst in the NFL.

[Michael Irvin]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they dead last right now this season, so they kind of picked up where they left off.

[Michael Irvin]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, I heard Kyle Hamilton say. We talked about this. I heard Marlon Humphrey said, you know, our mentality is not where it needs to be. So Jerry Judy is looking like. What challenges did y' all see this Sunday night? Josh? First of all, the quarterback had all day to throw. Second of all, he gave up two. I mean, they averaged 244 a game. They gave up 250 in the fourth quarter alone.

[Michael Irvin]

Nasty work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I don't know why. I mean, look, we think the Baltimore Ravens is only one game, but their past defense need leaves a lot to be desired. This notion that you cannot throw the ball on them is just not true. Y' all might be talking about the Ravens offense now, if that was. If you'd have asked Miles Garrett or you to ask Denzel Ward, what problems do that offense pose, they might have a different response. Right, because you got to deal with Lamar Jackson, you got to deal with De Henry, and you got Z Flowers. Okay? That's a whole different issue. But defensively, the Baltimore, that's not the 2000 Ravens. That's not Rod Wilson. That's not Ray Lewis. That's not Sarah Goose. Arrest his soul. That's not Big Sam, Rob Bernett, Peter Bware. That's not Mike McQuarry. That's not them.

[Michael Irvin]

Matter of fact, they haven't been there for a while. Their identity is not even on the defensive side of the ball anymore. Now they have some good players that make. That make really good plays at Times. But the identity for the Baltimore Ravens is now shifted to the offense, correct? That running back, that quarterback, that special quarterback that they do have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

Jerry Judy said exactly what he's supposed to say. What you want him to say. Oh, yes, they pose a challenge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, absolutely not.

[Michael Irvin]

He's not back. Jerry Judy is not a quarterback. He's not going to say all the right things. He's not going to be politically correct when you ask him a specific question about a position on his opponent the next upcoming Sunday. That's not what he does. Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I would like to say, oh, but y' all want me to lie and send my soul to hell for something as trivial as that? I will go to hell because I lied and say, oh, yeah, they pose a problem. They can get after your quarterback, man. Josh Allen, he done called his wife on the phone, say, hey, babe, you know I'm gonna be running a little late, so go ahead and give me some of that general Joe chicken, some of that moo moo gao pan and that shrimp fried rice. Get that for me. I'll be home, baby. I thought you was at the game. Oh, yeah, baby. I'm just back here chilling. I mean, they ain't. They ain't even close to me yet. Yeah, yeah. Come on, now. Look, we thank the Ravens, Ocho. We thank the Ravens. When it's all said and done, they're gonna be one of the teams in the fc, but we believe they'll be one of the teams that makes the playoffs. But you ask him a question after he just watched the team come back with a four. Almost four minutes left. Down by 15. They didn't get. They didn't come back. Down by 15 with under four minutes to go. Running the. By running the football.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The team threw it.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. So hold on, hold on, hold on. How many points they scored in four minutes?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They scored six. They scored. They was down 15. So they scored, like it's called, 22 points in the second quarter. In the fourth quarter alone.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. And hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

28 in the second half.

[Michael Irvin]

Hold on. Did they do that by running the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ball or throwing the ball? They do it about throwing it. Okay, okay, let me make sure we get this right. How many yards did Josh Allen throw for in the fourth quarter? He threw for more than 200. Now, they gave up 244 per game, which was second worst in the NFL.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what we know. That. That is not conjecture. That's not innuendo. That's not speculation. That is Factual information.

[Michael Irvin]

And then, then people argue. People will argue. Well, they were playing the Bills. They were playing the Bills. They're not playing the Bills this week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gave up an average of 244.1 last year. Every game they played wasn't the Bills.

[Michael Irvin]

Exactly. There we go. Can't close. Can't close. I wish I had a gavel real quick, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and if that was the case, Kyle Hamilton wouldn't say. We talked about this all off season. We talked about that coming into the season. What are you talking about? Being able to get off the field, being able to stop the pass.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what you talked about. Marlon Humphrey talked about the mentality. So.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm, I see people in the chat talk about some. I know you ain't talking about the Raven defense. When the bang on defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sorry, 251. We, we'll address that at an appropriate time. Right now, we deal with. You see, I don't go, hey, Ocho, I don't go to a cancer convention and talk about. What about diabetes when I go to that diabetes convention. I'll talk about diabetes right now. Yes. Yeah, we had the American Cancer Society. So I'm gonna deal with the cancers. I'm gonna deal with prostate and bladder and all those other types of cancer. Come on chat. Y' all know how we do. We be. We're fair with this. Even though a lot of times you don't like what Ocho and I might have to say. We try to be as fair as possible. Y' all know the Ravens defense isn't very good. You know it.

[Michael Irvin]

But, but again, but again, I, I'm giving every team grace. I'm giving every team grace because it's week one. As the season goes on, as the season progresses, team gel a little bit. The chemistry in which they play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

Unity. The cohesiveness of defenses. They will get better as well as offenses. So I, I listen, I'm, I'm basing everything what you're saying. Jerry Judy in his comments saying that he had no challenge is based on what he saw last week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Michael Irvin]

The proof is in the pudding. Also based on what the Ravens gave up defense last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct? Correct. That is correct. That is correct. So with that being said, I, I don't think, you know, look, I, I, I get it. Everybody say, you know, you be politically correct. You don't give anybody any extra motivation. So let me get this straight. If I don't say anything, they're gonna forfeit the game and give us the win. So Whether I say a little or a lot, we still got a damn play.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. Yeah, most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So Jerry Judy, now he just goes out there, does what he does, and, but, but they need to generate more pressure than what they generated on Josh Allen. Now it's different maybe because you're, you're scared to. Because if you, you run past Josh Allen gone jump out the window, he.

[Michael Irvin]

Gone out the back door. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not worried about that with Joe Flacco. So there's a good chance they'll probably bring more pressure on Flacco than they would with Josh Allen because you don't want to. Want to run the risk of Josh Allen, you know, putting on his high step, high stepping shoes and getting up out of there on you. Yes, sir. So I, I think that's more, you know, they pose two different types of situations. It's the same way with Lamar. You know, I want to, I want to put pressure on Lamar because I don't want him have time. But I already know if I run past him, he gone.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the last thing I want to have do is four or five guys running downfield with their back to Lamar Jackson. And he got the ball tucked and he's already passed a lot of scrimmage. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays out. Look, there's no love lost. The Ravens are the old Cleveland Browns.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now we got the new Cleveland Browns. And there's no love lost between these two organizations. Obviously, Mr. Modell, when he left, he took the Ravens, they became the ball. He took the Browns, they became the Baltimore Ravens. And this is where we are right now. We got a very, very special guest joining us. Here he is Pro Bowler, all Pro super bowl champion, a many, many year vet with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Here he is, Levante. David Levante. How you doing, bro?

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[Lavonte David]

What's up? What's up? What's up fellas? How y' all doing man? Thank you.

[Michael Irvin]

What's going on? You know, if I had your hands, I cut mine off, man. That's about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Levante. That was a very, that was a very tough game you guys have. You go down there, you take the lead and now all of a sudden you get Atlanta coming back. The other way, you're like, damn, we cannot give up a touchdown. We can't give up a touchdown. And worst case scenario, we go into overtime. But we are not about to lose this game of regulation. So when you come on the field in a situation like that, you know, the only thing that can beat you is a touchdown. What is your thought process?

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, man, I think the whole thing is just like, I don't want to be in this, like, to piggyback on what you were saying, man, we had the same situation going on, you know, when we play them that Thursday night, same situation, we go up, they need a field goal. And at that moment, and then, like, at the same thing, man, we. We don't want to give him a touchdown. We don't want to give him a touchdown. At worst, we can make. Kick a field goal and go into overtime. We like our chances. But in that moment, man, all I just try to say is just, man, stay calm. You know what I'm saying? Stay calm. And somebody just got to make a play at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? Like, we don't want to give up no chunks. You know, the typical.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing cheap, nothing deep.

[Lavonte David]

You know what I'm saying? Stay focused, keep everything in front of you. Somebody make you get the ball in bounds, you know, tackle them. Everybody gotta rally, and everybody just got to be on the same page, man. Like, I've been a part of a lot of situations where it happened in the other. In the other way around, so, you know what I'm saying? I. I don't. I don't. I hate that feeling of being part. Of being a part of that stuff. So, you know, I feel like we got a. A team that kind of like, understand that for the most part. So, you know, we liked our chances and we was able to do that. You know, they took a couple shots towards the end, and it landed in our favor.

[Michael Irvin]

Hey, how's. How's the state of the team right now? One thing you always want to do as a team, you want to start fast. Not only start fast, but to get a divisional win against a opponent early off to get that. To get that out the way. How's the team feeling? I know you guys probably had practice day with it being Wednesday. How's everybody feeling?

[Lavonte David]

Everybody good, man. You know, I feel like everybody, you know, we got. We had an extra day today because we played one. Yeah. So we had a little extra day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Easy day. Little easy day.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, a little easy day. Both know how to work in those Easy days for us, but it was. It was love today, man. All we did was just kind of get a head start on Houston. But, man, to answer your question, you know, it's big. It's big. You know, the chatter about, you know, who's going to win the division, whatever, us or Atlanta, has been the back and forth thing. But for us to get the. The upper hand for the first game of the year was real big. You know, we know they're a tough opponent. You know, they got weapons all across the field. But for us, you know, the morale is real good. You know, everybody's healthy, everybody ready to go, everybody energetic, and they feel like we got a lot more wins left in us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

La. Let's talk about your quarterback, because he's gotten better and better and better from the first year to the second year. And here he is late in the ball game when the rubber needs to meet the role. And, and this is how we measure quarterbacks. How calm can you be under pressure? When the pressure goes up, can your blood. Can your blood pressure go down? And he's answered the bell for you guys. What have you seen from the. The first moment that he arrived at one Buck place? I don't know what you call. I just said that, but I don't know what you call it, But I'm saying, from the very first time that he stepped foot in your building to what you see this product now, what is the biggest difference that you noticed in Baker Mayfield?

[Lavonte David]

The first thing I noticed, man, when he first came in the building, he just was, like, coming to a locker room that, you know, obviously was already established. You know, we had some guys in the locker room before, and we, we was a winning team. So he was coming in basically saying, like, man, from my point of view, saying, like, I got some big shoes to fill, so I'm going to just come in and do my job and do what I'm supposed to do and let these guys accept me in. And that's exactly what we did, man. The first thing we did was just told him, man, all we need you to do is just be yourself. You know what I'm saying? Just be Baker Mayfield that we know and love. The one who just out there have fun like a kid, make plays, when he make plays, just do what you do, everything else to take care of itself. And you see that, man, I. I love that for him, man. He go out there, he having fun with it, he just playing the game that he love playing like a kid on the playground, man. That's what we want, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, we got his back, and he knows that. And I think that's what gives him the, you know, the confidence to go out there and make the plays that he makes. And like you said, man, he's been in game winning drives for us, you know, past, you know, three years, and then opening the season with one is real big, man. His confidence is out the roof, and he know he got guys that got his back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me follow with this one, Ocho.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You was on this super bowl team when Brady walked into the building. Brady is a very intense guy. You gonna get this ish right in practice. It ain't no. Okay. No, we good. No, we not good. Run that issue again. Brady is the type of guy that's gonna keep his foot on your neck. What do you. What is the biggest difference between what you see from Tom and what you see from Baker?

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, that's crazy that you say that, because I seen every time, day in, day out, like, if it ain't done right. No, no, we gonna get this right. You're gonna get these 10 yards. You're gonna run this out route the correct way. You know what I'm saying? And I even remember like a story, man. Vita, you know, Vita used to use Vita in a goal line situation, and Vita had to run a little flat route. Yeah, yeah. He ain't get it right. So himaton was out there at the practice practicing on it. Like, now we got to get this right. So it's like. It's crazy that you say that, but difference between those guys, man, you know, Thomas, you know, hardcore guy, very passionate, you know about it. You don't want everything to be, yeah, perfectionist. Baker just. Yeah, perfectionist. And Baker, you know, he just talk you through it. He was. Baker just cool karma collector. Just talk you through it, you know, I want you to do it like this. I think this is where right here and stuff like that. So, you know, that's kind of the stuff that I seen, But I do love that both of them are very passionate about the game, man. You know, Baker, like, his competitive nature comes out, you know, in practice. You see, you know, the banter back and forth in the practice and stuff. And then Tom, the same way. I remember when Tom first came in, he said, hey, man, don't cut me no slack. Just because y' all see me as Tom Brady, man. Y' all, man treat me just like the guys in the locker room. You see me messing up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know me.

[Lavonte David]

And that's something I respected about Tom because, you know, outside looking in like, man, this time to say nothing, man, I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let him pick no passes up. I ain't going to get cut.

[Lavonte David]

Exactly, exactly. Exactly. But. But he like, he like, nah, man. No, he said basically, nah, man. We all trying to get better here. If you can make a play on the ball, make a play on the ball.

[Michael Irvin]

I think I, I love Baker, obviously, from the, From. From the outside watching in and the quarterback is what he was able to do at Oklahoma. And this is a testament to why I think most time when it comes to quarterback, I think situational circumstance is very important. He was in Cleveland, things didn't work out. He went to Carolina, he went to the Rams. Things that work out. But coming to Tampa Bay at an organization that coming off a Super bowl win, having Tom Brady and having to fill in and having the weapons around you. Mike, Mike Evans, Godwin, now you got Ibuka, you know, Buck Irvin.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

And I think things are really gelling for you guys and you guys are on the right path to probably actually having a chance not to only win the division, but maybe end up also on the long end in the back end, not there in San Francisco. Especially if you guys on the defensive side of the ball, what you need to do, especially for showing you guys had week one, I think fine offense, I think gonna take care of his business, that addition they got. Damn, man, he's special, man.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is. I always say, man, he reminded me coming in as a rookie. He remind me of Chris gone when Chris go came in, you know, even though Chris was in a different situation, but like just the. The mental factor, the maturity, you know, just him, you know, you know, just picking vets out, asking questions, and then just being far along than what usually more than what usually rookies you see from rookies. So I just seen Mecca coming in day one working. Not, you know, putting his head down to working and grinding, man, and it's showing. You know, he's been. It's been like that since day one, since rookie mini camp. I remember seeing clips of them in rookie minicamp and just seeing him doing. He doing like, dang, like. And, you know, coaches calling me like, man, we got somewhere with a mech. And I'm like, okay, I can't wait to see it. And soon I stepped foot out there for training camp. I'm like, this kid here, he. He for real, he gonna do some.

[Michael Irvin]

Great things for us.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, he wanted them one. You know, he say down at the Crib he one of them ones. When you know one of them ones, you know who they are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The. You and Vita are basically the two mainstays. Dean is still there, but you guys are the perennial Pro bowls and all pro players. What has it been like? Because now there, once upon a time, you know, you were the young buck. Now you're the elder statesman of that defense. You got to see you and Vita Bay got to see on your chest. It's your job.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Bo's gonna call, but it's your job to make sure those 10, those nine other guys are where they're supposed to be. Hold them guys accountable, make sure nobody's trying to play Hebo a hero ball. We are the sum of these parts. No one is greater. How have you been able to embrace you and Vita Veer been able to embrace this role?

[Lavonte David]

It's been. It's been, you know, at the beginning, it's been challenging just trying to see how you can, you know, interact with different people. You know what I'm saying? Different people take different, you know, constructive criticism different ways. But, you know, I feel like with coach Bowles, man, you know, Coach Bowles, man, he give you the freedom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Lavonte David]

You know what I'm saying? He gives you the freedom. I don't know how you handle it. You know what I'm saying? You how to do what you got to do to get the guys going. And then a lot of times, even in the game time situations, like I tell Vita, hey, you got the front end. I take care of the back end. You tell them what to do. And I got the back end right here. Y' all control that up front. If you see something, take control of it. I see something in the back end, I take control of it. And Bos give us that freedom. And that's one thing that I really love about it, because, you know, he put it on his players. And then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then y' all got Anton Winfield Jr. In the back end.

[Lavonte David]

So y' all got three levels.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got pro players at all three levels.

[Lavonte David]

Levels, exactly. And then coach Bow trust all us to get everything. Get everybody on the same page and get everything handled. You know, it's been like in. In the game the other day, you know, when. When they scored the first touchdown on third play, Bo say, hey, y' all got it. Y' all got. Y' all take care of T. You know, that. That stuff like that don't happen, so go care of. And we're like, yeah, we got you, coach. And, you know, so that's the stuff that, you know, kind of brings confidence to us knowing that, you know, he called defense, but at the end of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The day, he know y' all responsible for it.

[Lavonte David]

Exactly, exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all on the screen.

[Lavonte David]

Exactly, exactly. So when he do stuff like that, man, they give us all the confidence around. Like you said, man, V to take care of the front end, I take care of the middle, and Antoine Tweeze take care of the back end. So we all got great rapport with each other.

[Michael Irvin]

I. I have one question. Obviously, I know the season already started. You guys are coming up with w you play Monday night, but I have one question. I want to go back to training camp real quick, and you give me a better insight.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

In inside that building, is there anything that. That we could have done? I'm not part of the team. I'm just saying, we as it just being a player in general, is there anything that we could have done better to make sure Brother Desmond, who didn't get opportunity to play in training camp, obviously he's not on the field now. He's not a part of the team. Is there anything that you guys could have done a little better to get him in the shape? But I think he would have been a great addition defensively, especially on first and second down, you know, being able to stop the run and just clogging that up. I'm just thinking about, you know, having him be the vea and you being able to roam freely, taking up the A and B gaps. Anything that could have been done. I'm curious.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah. You know me. Sure. Me being a linebacker, I love to play behind big boys to take up all the blockers. For me, we'll stop the touch we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put beat up in there. Y' all ain't pushing nothing. Ain't no more push.

[Lavonte David]

Ain't no more push.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

That was the whole plan behind it.

[Lavonte David]

Too, I think, you know, so we can stop the touch push, but, man, just an unfortunate situation, man, everybody loves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man.

[Lavonte David]

In the locker room, and a lot of guys was pushing them, even though Vita was pushing, getting on the right track. But it was just unfortunate, man. He didn't. He wasn't able to meet the goal that he was supposed to meet. And then at the end of the day, I think it was more of a. A medical.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were concerned. Yeah, that's what I told Ocho.

[Lavonte David]

A medical concern type thing. Yeah, a medical type thing that was going on. I don't know the full details, but, you know, everybody, you know, love it. There's. Man, he was Working his head off to get there. I. I'll tell you, I'll tell you that. I see him every day just grinding, grinding, grinding, trying to get out there. And, you know, he, hopefully God gives him another chance to be able to take the opportunity. And I think he gonna seize it once he do get the opportunity.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hope they told him, say, look, we, hey, we'll give you another chance next year, but we need you down. We need you down under 420 and we can work with you. You're still, you know, 450. That's a lot of people don't realize how think about it. Vita veer is 350. Chat y' all see how big Vita Vey is? He's a hundred pounds heavier than Beta Veil.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let that sink in. He's a hundred, 100, 100 bigger than Beta Veil.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And that's what I was telling. It's a medical issue now, because the last thing you want to happen to somebody because everybody say, y' all know that he was too big to be out there in that hot sun in Tampa. You got a lawsuit on your hands in Tampa, and the NFL don't want to deal with that. So I told, look, we had him on the show. Ocho and I, we interviewed him. He said, man, I'll do whatever it takes in order to make a roster to, you know, let my dream, you know, live out my dream. But like you said, it just, what? It just wasn't in the cards now. Not to say, maybe a year from now, he gets a whole. He gets a whole year. Hey, right, I'm going down to the Duke Clinic. I'm going to say, man, what y' all got for me, man, I'm gonna go now. Hey, I gotta get this up off me because I don't care if I don't play with one snap. I want my mom, my grandma, I want my family to see me in an NFL uniform in an NFL game one time. That, that might be all this in the cards. Everybody ain't gonna meet, have a 10, 15, 20 year career. Sometimes it might a game, sometimes it might be six games, sometimes it might be a year. But my mom, my family is going to see me with an NFL uniform in a real NFL game.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like Luther used to say, if it's only for one night, if it's only for one game.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, I, I agree with you wholeheartedly, man. And he, from the right away, he went to, I believe he went to Onwood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Lavonte David]

So he was from around the Area. So obviously, you know, he has to have friends and family come to the president, stuff like that. So I just saw it in him too, man. Like, he was real. Like, you could tell he was hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, of course.

[Lavonte David]

Real hurt by. You know what I'm saying? Cause, you know, back home, playing for, you know, private childhood team that he grew up rooting for, and just to be able to, you know, be, you know, in the NFL locker room, man, and just make a dream come true, man. I'm sure eventually it happened for him, man, but like you said, man, it just wasn't the right time for him right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the thing, because think about it, if somebody like, we were so poor, we grew up, we used to go to the fast food restaurant to watch other people eat. We couldn't buy nothing. We just. We just watch. You know what I'm saying? We just watch other people.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, that's him.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. He's undrafted, but here he is. He got a uniform on and everything, but he can't practice, he can't participate. You remember we used to go, hey, you ain't going outside. You ain't do what you're supposed to. You watch the kids. You watching the kids through the window plate or you on peace, you get punishment at school, and you watching all the other kids play and you just.

[Lavonte David]

Look at them just like that, trying to make sure. Make your parents. Make your parents feel bad. Can I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I go out now? Boy, don't you ask me, can you go out there no more.

[Michael Irvin]

To get back. Get back on track, obviously. Week two, Monday night against Houston Texans I'm not sure if you watch film or not, but if you have. Yeah. What challenges do you see from CJ Driving that offense that you guys have to be worried about?

[Lavonte David]

Oh, man, C.J. getting the ball out quick, man. He getting the ball out quick again to his playmakers. They're using dawn shorts, a lot of Nico, obviously. Playmaker, man. Somebody who you got to watch out for. I remember a couple years ago, man, we played C.J. his rookie, and he lit us up, you know what I'm saying? So we already know what he's capable of. And then they got Nick Chubb in the backfield, you know, I'm saying, a proven vet, you know, a hard runner, you know, could hurt you any, any way. You know what I'm saying? So for us, man, it's just all about discipline when you're playing guys like this football teams like this, they. They. They run stuff to, you know, to try to get you out of position, to make you hurt yourself. So you just got to be able to stay disciplined and stay on track for four quarters. And, you know, you tell it as a defense, man, these type of games you want to play, you know what it's going to be. You just got to be able to stop it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Vonte you played against, you know, look, you've been in the league damn near a decade now, man. How long you been in league? What is your 10th year?

[Lavonte David]

Nah, this is 14 for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. You moving like this a year 14?

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, this is 14 for me. God been blessing me, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, I thought it was. I thought it was 10. I was like, oh, man, he. He moving like that. But it just goes to show you, and you played against a lot of different backs. Who's some of the toughest backs? Who's some of the, you know, the off tight ends? Because really, you're known as a coverage linebacker, which aren't very many of those. Most guys you either rush the passer or you stop the run. You know, you're really known as a coverage linebacker. Yes, you are, sure. Tackler. But you're known as a coverage linebacker. Who's some of the better tight ends that you face? Obviously, you did an outstanding job dealing with Kelsey in the super bowl, but the running backs that you've had to face.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, running backs, man. Coming to. I remember Marshawn was a tough, tough to go against. And then in my division, man, I had Darren Sprouls my first couple years. That was a headache. That was a headache. Oh, man. And then, you know, obviously coming along, you know, I had go against Christian McCaffrey and aka Alvin Kamaru. Yeah, those two do. Those two dudes are headaches, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Lavonte David]

When I first came in, the dream of mine was always to play against Reggie Bush, you know, And I got a chance to play with a player against him my second year. He was in Detroit. That was cool, Frank. Frankie G. Was ahead, man. A lot of guys, like, when you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you. When you.

[Lavonte David]

When you going against these dudes, you kind of like, you give them their respect. And then when you plan them, you know, like, okay, I respect you, but, you know, it is what it is you about to play. But like, you is you like, oh, I understand. You understand why you respect these dudes, you know what I'm saying? Like, hey, man, one thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, if I was a defensive player and I played against a great running back, I'm gonna tackle him and throw his leg. Get your ass.

[Lavonte David]

Like a lot of Stuff like a lot of people used to always say about Frank, like, he wasn't that big, but he ran behind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Lavonte David]

You know what I'm saying? Like, that was like, that was something I had to kind of like get accustomed to and stuff like that. I had to get up on them a little bit. But Marshawn was a tough to go against. Marshawn was a guy who, like, when you hit him and you like, you think you got a good hit on him and you talking trash to him, like, oh, yeah, come on. Like, he get it more excited like, like, dang. Like I'm thinking I'm supposed to be, you know, like break you down a little bit. But nah, he want. He want more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You play King Henry yet?

[Lavonte David]

I played King Harry. Playing King Harry, man. King Harry is a different animal, you know what I'm saying? He's a dude who like, you don't know what to expect, man. You don't know what to expect because like, he's a big dude and you want him to kind of like drop it on you, but you prepare for that. But then he got these little swift little moves and stiff on and stuff like that. He got good feet. Good feet for a big guy. David Montgomery is somebody who I got a lot of respect for in Detroit, who's a big guy, but got wonderful feat. Who else out there, man? Obviously Jameer gives these young dudes taking over the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Henry get people because nobody wants to square him up. So everybody wants to get to the side. And so now he mushing you in your face and on your head to the ground. Because I really ain't trying to look, bro. You got it. 63250.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Okay.

[Lavonte David]

And move, and move and moving. The way he's moving to is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm not trying to get no concussion.

[Michael Irvin]

Best thing you could do with 22, man, you got to catch him going east and west because you get. You catch, you catch him going north, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the problem that they don't made, they don't figured it out. He's really not an offset out back. He's an old school iback with a fullback. Or you put a tight end in that spot, you toss it to him and say, hey, you pick your hole, you AC whatever you want, you pick it. Now you let him like Jameer Gibbs. You can put him in offset eye, you can put him in the offset and run his own read with him. That's not what Derrick Henry is. Derrick Henry is an old school 78s Iback. Yeah, you toss it to him, you hand it to him and say, son, find your hole. Let me let. We're gonna get you out of here on this one, Vonte. 14 years. How much longer do you want to play? And then when you go up in there and you see Leroy Selma, you see Derrick Brooks, you see Warren Sapp, you see War, you see some of the greats up in their number that's in that stadium, and you think, like, damn, one day that that's gonna be your boy. Your boy gonna be up in there.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, man. Hey, it's incredible, man. Just because, like, this year is the 50th season.

[Michael Irvin]

A lot of guy.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, so we honoring a lot of guys that played through the organization. And then like, when you break it down and they show all the people, you just be like, like, dang, he like this guy. This guy. And like, for me, you know, I take it all in because I'm basically following these guys footsteps. I know what these guys been through. And for see these guys come back and, you know, like, come through and show love, like that. Stuff like that. It's pretty cool, man. Especially db. Db Always coming back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Brooks is right there.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're a great guy.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all have very similar games too. Vonte.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, shoot, when I first got here, that's the first person they say, hey, you gotta. You gotta live up to 55 legacy. I'm like, but the thing about, like, the thing I like about db, man, the first time, as soon as I got drafted, as soon as I got to Tampa, man, he hit me up, hey, let's go have lunch. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't expecting that, you know what I'm saying? So when we had our little lunch, he told me, man, I know a lot of people kind of like expecting you to do this and that, but, man, I'm tell you like this, man, just be yourself, bro. And be yourself and let everything else take care of itself. You know, who you are as a football player, and the ones who wants you to be yourself. Everything and take care of herself. And then he made me pay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So imagine 14. Are you gonna play? Look, because there is no senior circuit for the NFL, because once this thing over, and you're never going to be able to find what you left in that locker room. Those practices, the locker room, the plane rides, the bus ride.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much longer? How much. How much longer you got? How much longer do you want to play, man?

[Lavonte David]

Yeah. To be honest, with you, man, I thought I was done two years ago, you know, when we played Detroit in divisional game, you know, that was a long season, you know, and I, I, I ain't never felt like that for a season in my whole entire career. You know, I was hurting, you know, body tired, exhausted. And then, you know, out of nowhere, you know, I got a extra boost of energy. So I ended up coming back for year 13 and, and then, you know, this past year I was dealing with a little something, you know, injury wise, and I tried to see how I felt. And then so behold, you know, good Lord blessed me, started feeling good and I was like, okay, I'll give it another try. So, you know, right now, man, I'm just taking in the moment, bro. I'm taking in a moment, man. You know, I love the game of football. I'm not just, I just don't play the game. Like, I actually genuinely love the game. I'm a fan of football. So like, just to be around of it, be around it, you know, the relationship that I can build with it, you know, I'm just trying to do that to the best of my ability. But, you know, I'm gonna just see how this year go and, and go from there, you know what I'm saying? It's been the real, you know, definitely enjoyable ride, man. But like my co. Coach Foot always say, man, hey, you're in retirement life longer than your football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, you know, le, you know that, that contract extension, all of a sudden, you know, I don't hurt as much.

[Michael Irvin]

You know, you get a contract, you feel much better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Michael Irvin]

Matter of fact, since we talk about longevity, if you got four, if you got 14 in at this point, if you're feeling good right now, get it even get 15. Hold on. I can, I can extend your career another five. I can get you to 20. I can get you to 20. I have nutritional program I could put you on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord.

[Lavonte David]

You go with that McDonald's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Week to.

[Michael Irvin]

Week, week to week, I could extend your career another five years, make sure there's no injuries and you know, you get 20 and just give me the credit. 20 a week, that ain't nothing, you know, and, and I, I got you just let me know.

[Lavonte David]

Ocho, I ain't, I ain't 21, 22 no more, man, that stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you, thank you.

[Michael Irvin]

I got it. I got a healthy battle, a healthy medium of two different things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't, I do.

[Michael Irvin]

Listen, listen to me. I do it in three cycles. In cycles. The beginning of the season the season and then the back end of the season. And, man, before you know, you look up, you'll be in year 21.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He doing three cycles, breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[Michael Irvin]

Y' all play Monday in Tampa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all starting season both games on the road, huh?

[Lavonte David]

Yeah, both on the road, man. Two tough opponents.

[Michael Irvin]

When the next home game?

[Lavonte David]

The week after that? We played the Jets, Week three.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, man. Let your boy get a ticket. I drive three hours from Miami.

[Lavonte David]

I just need one ticket, you know? You know, I appreciate that.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Levante, thanks for stopping by. Give us a few moments of your time. Continue success, best of luck, stay healthy. And, guys, when you guys go where you think you're gonna go, stop back by and tell us how you did it.

[Lavonte David]

Yes, sir. Appreciate you guys, man. God bless you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate you, man.

[Lavonte David]

Thank you, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Levante David, the outstanding All Pro linebacker from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Damn. Time flying. I had no idea, my man been.

[Michael Irvin]

I know a 14, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no. Hell, I thought it was. What you call me. I thought it was a. I thought it was a decade.

[Michael Irvin]

You know, how long 14 is? UNK. As a linebacker? Yeah, as a linebacker.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you know what guys. You know what, Ocho? I think the thing is, because guys are not hitting like they did. What, you know, Ray played 17. Say I played 20. Clay Matthews played, like 18, 19. But I think. I think now, Ocho, because guys are not hitting in practice like we used to do, right?

[Michael Irvin]

Outside of the games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. They're taking care of the guys in training camp. He probably, you know, I'm saying the training camp now, the old guys used to have the afternoons off, so, you know, you played. You know, you screaming practice in the morning, and then you took the afternoon off. You got your little cardio in and things like that. So guys are doing a better job of preserving themselves. And now they got. They got cryo, they got laser therapy, they got pts, they got Ocho. There you go.

[Michael Irvin]

Matter of fact, I'm glad you just said that. When's the last time you've been inside the Broncos facility?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's been a minute.

[Michael Irvin]

I went inside the Bangle facility when I was there Thursday night for the practice. Yeah, they got everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

They got. When it comes to recovery and taking care of your body, they got everything now. So I can see why some of the players could be able to play as long as they have and continue their career if Seattle got 20. And I think Derek Brooks play out. Derek Brooks played.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think Brooks had played as long as Ray. Ray had got. Ray got 17.

[Michael Irvin]

17. Levante could definitely get 20, man. He can definitely get 20 if he in 14.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know about 20. Look, I'm thinking 15. I said, let, let me, let me get, let me get out of this. See you. Let me get out of 14, though. And then I recalibrate to 15 because, you know, that's, you know, 17 games. And he tackled, he hitting people.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, you know, he sore after every game. His shoulders, his back, his knees, man. But it was good to have him on his unbelievable, unbelievable career. Glad he was able to stop by and talk about some of the things and. But what like you and I talked about Ocho with big dads. It's a medical issue. It is. It is what it is. And you know, you go, you're going to err on the side of caution.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. Listen, the first thing I thought about too, unc, when I saw him continue working on the sideline, just walking and not actually practicing. The first thing that came to mind was Corey Stringer. Yeah. Came to mind was Corey Stringer and them not wanting to be liable for anything that happens to him if he's on the field. But then in. In his case, I think about, well, hell, he just did. He just did his time at Florida at that weight, at that size and still played and contributed. So. But I, I kind of understand where the NFL and the Timber Buccaneers didn't want to be liable if anything happened to him at the weight he was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Because they figured, they figured NFL got deeper pockets than colleges, so they go, they gonna put that tax on you.

[Michael Irvin]

Yes, sir.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho Former number one overall draft pick Jadavian Clowney visited the Cowboys today. With the Cowboys trading Michael Parsons to the Packers, Jerry Jones is entertaining the 2014 number one overall draft pick Jadavian Clowney as a possible edge rush to help the defense. Brian Schottenheimer, who coached Clowney with the Seahawks. This is something we've been monitoring every position. Again, I feel great about our defensive line but anytime you have a chance to potentially add a football good football players, why wouldn't you kick the tires? Ocho Would your Davian Clowney help?

[Michael Irvin]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely Will listen to Davion Clowney is going to get after your quarterback today. Veon Clowney is good against the run. He's A disruptor. He can add. He can add some help. He's not. He's not Michael Parsons. He's not that. But he can add and he can add an addition on that offensive line coming in similar to maybe. Maybe not all three downs, but coming in on third downs. If it be. And rotate that defensive line and keep everybody fresh. He. That's, That's. I'm not sure why they didn't sign him yet. I'm not sure what they're waiting on. He should be able. Before week four. Before week happens. Before week four happens, he should be on that field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I just, Me personally watching him obviously went to the University of South Carolina, where my brother went. So obviously I had a little vested interest because I still root for the game, Cox. Even though I didn't play there, my brother played there. I just don't think that Jadavian county ever lived up to what we thought he was going to be. If you go back and look at his sophomore year, Ocho.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That Michigan game, man, what he was doing, he was really ripping people's necks off and pooping down in the throat.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, whoa, what is this? We had never seen somebody like that.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, he was violent. And that's what you. When I look. When I'm looking at a defensive player, Ocho. Special defensive lineman.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or. Or linebacker. I want violence.

[Lavonte David]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want somebody that's going to strike and be. And, and. And not be. And not be ashamed of, like. Yeah. My job is. This is. My job is to punish you.

[Michael Irvin]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I just. When I, When I look at him, I was like, bro, the guy. I mean, look how big he was. Look at the 40 times that he ran. Look at his first step. Look at his short shuttle. I mean, he could do it all. I mean, tremendous first step. I. You know who I thought he was going to be? Like I said, this is. This is the second coming Javon curse. That's who I thought he was going to be.

[Michael Irvin]

Like, that's a good one. Listen, there's not very many that have been like the freak, but again, what. What we saw from him in college, we expected to see it in. He was. He was good, but he wasn't great. I'm not sure what his injury history looks like, but I do know some of the times he showed flashes of brilliance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

A great, great disruptor. And I know he can get after the quarterback. He has a great motor, great energy, and I think he'd be a great addition to the Dallas Cowboys. I'm not sure. Once he came in, there shouldn't have been no watching practice. Hell, he should have been in practice. Yes, he should have been in practice. So I'm excited for him. It's a great addition for the Cowboys and that defense. And they need it because the first game we saw them play, they got no pressure. No, they got no goddamn pressure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't at all. And. And the thing is, think about it, Ocho. Who was he playing besides J.J. watt?

[Michael Irvin]

J.J. watt? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

J.J. watt is a defensive player of the year. So that means I'm getting one on one. I wish you would. I wish you would slide that protection to 99 and leave me one on one.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. Can you imagine if. Look how. Look what. What. How Aaron Donald was when. When Vaughn, he was already Aaron Donald. And then you put Von Miller and you put Leonard Floyd outside of him. You remember what he looked like?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what Jadavian Cline was supposed to be.

[Michael Irvin]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you got a hellraiser on one side, you best believe I'm kicking ass and taking.

[Michael Irvin]

Taking names.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your ass kicked his ass, too. Left guard kicked his ass. Center move back out of bounds. Yes, that's how. That's the mentality. Boy, I wish I. I wish I would. Double Rod. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Yeah, to double somebody else other than me.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And think I'm not gonna.

[Michael Irvin]

As a matter of fact, honestly, you got to take something like that personal. You have to take something like that personal, saying, oh, you're gonna slide protection opposite way because you think there's a dog on the other side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

You leaving me one on one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You disrespected me. You disrespected me. You said, oh, we ain't got to worry about him. Okay.

[Michael Irvin]

Basically. Basically.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what, by third quarter, hey, now, J.J. about to eat. Cause y' all gotta bring that. Y' all gotta bring that. Y' all gotta bring this left tackle. Y' all gotta bring some help. Cause I'm gonna tear his ass up. And. And look, we don't know. Obviously, he's not the. He. He's still not that. He's not the explosive player he wants. Nobody is. I mean, this is. This would be his 12th year in the league. He came in in 2014. So we look at other guy that'd be 12 years deep, obviously. But, yeah, he had moments. But I expected. I expected him to be a perennial Pro bowl player. A perennial All Pro. He had defensive player of the year potential. That's What I was expecting of him, he's the overall draft pick, number one overall draft pick as a defensive line. Oh yeah. You gotta be Miles Garrett.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the number one overall draft pick of the defensive lineman.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bruce Smith. That's the number one draft pick as an overall as a defensive lineman. That's what I'm expecting. I don't, I don't think I'm expecting too much and I know everybody can't beat. I think Bruce who was a two time defensive player of the year. Miles has already won one. But when you're the number one overall player.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Those are the expectations that people have for you. And like I said, he had a good career and but I think he left some stuff on the table. O joke. I do, I do. Cowboys all pro quarterback Duron Bland suffered a foot injury during practice on Monday that could result in him missing a couple of weeks. Bland recently signed four year extension, $92 million. According to Clarence Hill, Bland is is out at least two weeks. He missed time last season with a left foot fracture. Trayvon Diggs is already is not ready for a full load. He played 27 snaps against the Eagles. Ocho is this time for them to call Gilly. Stefan Gilmore.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, yeah, I think you should listen. The Colts call Xavier Howard. You bring in a veteran, veteran presence, a very savvy veteran at that, like Stephon Gilmore. He's ready. I had the wide receiver workshop during the off season. Gilmore came out there to watch some of the receivers and we talked for a little bit. He's saying he was keeping himself in shape. If the right situation presented itself, he would welcome a comeback. So I think that's something that they should do. Again, I'm not sure why Jerry's not on the phone knowing that Bland is going to be out two weeks. And I think they probably have some type of belief in whoever Bland's backup maybe where they haven't called a veteran presence to come in. So I think they're thinking like, okay well listen, two weeks we can roll with someone else that we already have here, that is the backup and see if we can do things to kind of protect him if he's the fish, if that person that is the backup is the weak link, we can hide that for a little bit. We can hide after two weeks until Blaine gets back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think the thing is if you're going to hide him, that means your defensive line need to get pressure. That's the, that's the best way to hide his ass. The quarterback don't have time to sit his back foot and throw the ball or somebody hit him in the back of his head. That's what. That's. That's what you're. You're looking for. That's what you're trying to accomplish. If you're trying to hide. Hide the thing. Because I. Look, I. I don't. I didn't think they had great. I think they got guys. If I'm not mistaken, I think Daron Bland was a wide receiver and they switched him to DB in college.

[Michael Irvin]

That would be him. And Trayvon Diggs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Trayvon Diggs. Trayvon Diggs went to Alabama as a wide receiver. And Coach David said, I think. But. But you got to think what. Look. Look at all the receivers that was over there. Yeah, son, I think you'd be better on the other side of the ball. On the other side of the ball. And he's parlayed that into one of the better defensive backs. Great clue skills. He's a gambler. Got a lot of T Buck, a lot of tendencies. T Buck used to always say they got a. They got more slants and stop routes than they got nine routes. So I would take my chances, and he would. But I agree with you. I think you have to look at Gilly. I don't know how much Gilly has left in the tank. Clearly, he's not the defensive player of the year. Stefan Gilmore, nobody expects that.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But is he better than the guy that you could potentially call up or you could potentially slide in that slot?

[Michael Irvin]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The question that Jerry and the coaching staff and the. The higher ups, the brass, those are the decisions that they would need to make.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Despite beating the jets, it wasn't a particularly good day for the Pittsburgh offensive line, especially left tackle Broderick Jones, who was responsible for three of the four sacks on Rogers. Well, Aaron defended Jones today and actually blamed himself for some of the sacks he took, citing back tightness that kept him from being more elusive. I don't think I was moving that well, so I think I kind of ran into at least one or two of those sacks, so I got to do a better job of using my legs. You know, I might be old, but I still feel like I move around pretty good. I wasn't moving the way I usually move. I thought the protection was good for the most of the game. There are a couple of fundamental things to clean up. I just got to get. Get the ball out. That's the thing. Aaron, you see what. You heard what he said, Ocho. Yeah, he Said he would think he. He couldn't. That's it. That's. That's what happens when you get old. You think in your mind you could do all these things, but you can't.

[Michael Irvin]

And then, obviously, the offensive line has to help them a little bit. They have to. They have. They have to help them a little bit. And Aaron has to have that clock. That clock has to go off in your head. If you don't have the skill set from. With the lower extremity being able to move the way you used to, you got to be able to process that information a little bit faster and get the ball out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you do. And I think the thing is that he does have a quick release, and sometimes he dog sacks because he can get the. But that's the thing. He doesn't have the legs. He's 41. He doesn't have the legs that he once had. And that's what made him so unique. That's why, you know, people look at him as one of the greatest throwers of the football because of the arm platform, but his ability to throw the ball on the move. Yeah, there are very. There have been very few guys in NFL history that's been able to throw the ball on the move as well as Aaron Rodgers or throw the ball from the pocket as well as Aaron Rodgers. The arm slots, the angles. And he had. He had good legs. He wasn't Lamar Jackson, but he didn't need to be right. But that arm. He has superior arm talent. And with his. With his mind. Yeah, man, it was. It was. It was a. To just watch it. Like I said, I went to the super bowl that they beat the. Beat the Pittsburgh Ocho. And I was standing on the sideline, and I'm watching this guy warm up. I said, he. That's the greatest throw of the football I've ever seen. And I saw Joe throw the ball. I saw Joe Montana throw the football. I saw Dan Marino throw the football. I saw Elway throw the football. I saw Warren Moon throw the football. I say, that guy, what I just saw, in my 14 years of playing in the NFL and all my years of covering the NFL, I've never seen anybody throw the football.

[Michael Irvin]

Listen, he got the ultimate stamp of all time. When Tom Brady comes out and says Aaron Rodgers is the greatest throw of the football that he's ever seen or ever witnessed or watch play, then it is exactly what it is. It is no matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to see it.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. No matter how you feel about him, no matter how he looks now, he's still the greatest store of the football. And then when you get flashes of the brilliance that we're used to seeing, and he brings that to the Steelers, he gives you a great chance to win. And what they've done defensively, what they bought in them, they didn't vote in Jabril preppers. They didn't. Jabril preps. You got Darius Lee, you got Jalen Ramsey. I mean, you got Patrick, man, this. They. They gonna. They're gonna be all right. You got TJ While you got Cam. Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something. Something you have to see for yourself because TV doesn't do it justice like they say. You know, watching hockey is better if you watch it in person than you watch it on television. Football is better if you watch it in person than you watch it on television. Some things you have to actually see. See for yourself.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In order to get an appreciation. And me being a student of the game, me being around the game, right? And to see him throw the football, I saw the same. When I saw Barry run, I. Like, I'd never seen nobody run like this. When you see Jerry run routes and then catch the football and the. The. The effortlessness that Jerry ran with and the precision in which he got in and out of breaks, right? Like, damn. That's what you think when you see Aaron throw the football. That's what. When I saw him throw the football, I'm like. I mean, I'm talking about just the flick of the wrist and the ball is just. I'm talking about ain't no wobble. I mean, everything is just tight. I'm just like, up and over.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. And the funny thing about it is, too, as great as. As great of a throw the football, Aaron, is the way he throws the ball in his mechanics or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can't. Don't teach that.

[Michael Irvin]

It doesn't go hand in hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, hell, go hand in hand. His feet's all over the place.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, he's all over the place. He does everything because his arm. His arm. His arm talent and arm strength. Yeah, it is bad. You can't teach that. You can't teach that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Xavier Worthy left the Chiefs Week 1 game due to a dislocated shoulder and injuring the Chief's third offensive player, Brazil. He was running a crossing paddle over the middle, and he and Travis Kelsey ran directly into each other. Kelsey took the blame for what happened on New Heights. I'm supposed to be running my route at death for Worthy, so it's frustrating. I was trying to set up the guy to Be able to get into position. And then it just happened pretty quick. I just got to be better, man. I'm a year. I'm 13 years in league. There is no excuse for me running into my own guy like that. Yeah, what do we, what do we say?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, we said the same thing. Hey, listen, he was supposed to be at 79 and. And worthy was supposed to be coming underneath that. But you got to remember the pressure, the collision, when you write X's nose is. You got to remember there's somebody else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the mix of those don't move. You just put them on the paper. They stay right where you put them.

[Michael Irvin]

So he was a little short because the person in front of him, the collision, it forced him the. The. The. To run as Xavier Worthy. So if anything, you got to go a little higher. You got to fight through that contact. You have to. And that's. That's where the. That's where the. The collision happens. So it's. It's unfortunate. It's something that, that he can fix. But again, you just. It's all about being. Being self aware.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can figure it out, but he ain't fixing Xavier's shoulder for a couple of weeks.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, yeah, that. That's. That's messed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That's the thing. But I know. I knew what it was. I said, bro, you do. Do you understand how many shallow crosses that I've run? How many peak shallow crosses? Because a lot of. Sometimes we run the shallow cross on our own. Yeah. And a real shallow cross is four to six.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Four yards. But you're gaining because you want to give the quarterback the angle. So you start two, three, you get the four deep, no deeper than six. Catch it. He would. Hey, whatever it is, if it's a man, he put it out in front of you. He lead, turns you up. If it's a zone, you don't look at him. You just.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stop on the dime. That tackle gap. Hey. And turn. However you put it on, you put it between the eight and the four. He said get up in your shadow, Shannon. Yeah. So danger on left or the right of you.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, See, it's easy when it's on, huh? The problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Michael Irvin]

The problem is when it's man and you right trying to collision you and you trying to get the adept. And you got to fight through that. Right through that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, and my thing is, Ocho, look, Kelsey's bigger than I was, but you couldn't stop me from getting where I wanted to be. No, you can't.

[Michael Irvin]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I'm just gonna. I'm gonna push through you. And then I see. I cut out the whole while, as I know I got a pick, so. But see, mainly Ocho, I wasn't the picker. Somebody else was picking for me.

[Michael Irvin]

For me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, somebody was picking for me. But when I did, on the rare occasion that I did have to pick. Oh, I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna push up, and guess what? I'm gonna run your. I'm Run you into your own guy. Sometimes I had to get. Oh, so I had to get skinny. I mean, literally, look, you running like this. Hey, you got to turn like this.

[Michael Irvin]

Here, get through there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, you got to get skinny. But it's very unfortunate, and I know to watch it. And you, like, man, of all the things could happen, I got a thousand catches. I got, like, the most playoff touchdowns. I'm a few yards short of Jerry as far as yards in the playoffs, right? And I ran into my own guy. I put my own guy. That's. That's. That's what. That's what. That's what Travis thinking. That's what Neff is thinking. He's like, I put my own damn guy. We already fin. We already. The first six weeks, Ocho. We without Rasheed Rice.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now we without our second best receiver. Hey, baby, what y' all gonna do, man? Y' all ain't gonna do nothing. Blow that thing up. Let us get Tyreek back.

[Michael Irvin]

Ooh, that's not fair. That's not fair. I think it's too soon for that, though. If.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it ain't, y' all ain't going nowhere.

[Michael Irvin]

Hey, listen, if things don't continue to get better, it's only week one now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's only prices drop, Ocho, if you get to the trade deadline and y' all out of contention, everybody know you trying to unload. Tyree.

[Michael Irvin]

Hold on. Hold on. The trade. When is the trade day line? It's only week one. Now. Come on. Now is weak. When is we. Oh, the trade deadline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. If you have to wait till you in a bind, it's too late, people. You make bad decisions when you're in a bind, right? Make decisions before you have to.

[Michael Irvin]

But that's not the way. That's not the way they thinking. Management's not thinking like that. We just starting the season. They're not thinking like that already. Now, you are thinking like that logically, because we're sitting here. We're not playing, but we want to at least have a chance to win. Who gives us our best chance to win? Number 10?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, what gives us the best chance to win in 26, 27 and beyond. Okay. Because you and I both know Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill's making 36 million next year. You know damn well. You know that. I know that he ain't getting that from Miami.

[Michael Irvin]

If that's the case. If that's the case, if we think about 26, 27 and beyond, then you would let him go. When it was the issue with what he said last year in off season, you would let him go this off season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they thought about it, Ocho. They damn sure thought about it. They thought about it.

[Michael Irvin]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And maybe the price was a little bit too high. The price came down. Now, price coming down because you know how it's coming down, Ocho.

[Lavonte David]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NFL say they're going to investigate. He's going through a divorce. And there were some things put in the lawsuit that's come out that the NFL didn't. That don't look favorable upon, and I hate that for Tyreek. We've kind of had. We've, you know, he, He. He took what I said. I said that he's not Smitty Steve Smith. And I was having a conversation, and he was basically saying that Tyreek is a body catcher. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't pluck the ball. And I was like, okay, I can understand that. And he took that. That we were. I said, but he's phenomenal, right? Michael Irvin in the hall of Fame, nobody looks at Mike and says, mike, you know, Mike did this. It's okay.

[Michael Irvin]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he, But I've always given credit to Tyreek because when he came into the league, Ocho, he was mainly a gadget guy. He was a returner. Put him in on, you know, jet suites and things like that. And then all of a sudden, he turned himself. He taught himself how to run routes. He could run the route tree, and with that speed, he turned himself into a player that's going to get a gold jacket one day. That's what Tyreek Hill has been able to do. I don't have. I've never had a problem giving guys credit when it's due. But I've also never had a problem critiquing guys when I think there needs critiquing and saying, that's not good enough. That was bad. That was good. That was unacceptable.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've never had a problem with that, but I Think. But I. But the thing is, Ocho, the trade deadline is November 5th.

[Michael Irvin]

Okay. Okay, Ocho, we got time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would I. Why would I give you what you want? Y' all. Two and. Y' all, two and seven at the trade deadline. And you think I'm gonna give you what you want? I know you got to get up off it. I know you do, right?

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, keep him, then.

[Michael Irvin]

I'm not. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Mr. Gray. And Mike McDaniel is ready to throw the towel in already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They are. That's why they traded Jalen Ramsey. That's why they let Christian Wilkins walk. That's why they let Kales Campbell go.

[Michael Irvin]

Hold on. That's. That's. That's. That's based on age. That's based on age. That's based on the amount that they had to pay Jalen Ramsey that they get. They get. They get that money off the books now. You get that money off the books. Right. And you. What are you telling your players?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How. How long. How much older is Jalen Ramsey? Amica Fitzpatrick.

[Michael Irvin]

So Mika Fitzpatrick just came into a rebuilding situation. Their transition. They're transitioning, getting rid of all their older players.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Huh?

[Michael Irvin]

I said they're transitioning, getting rid of all the older players, rebuilding all over again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that's why you let Tyreek go.

[Michael Irvin]

Like they should have let him go in the off season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But I think. I think the thing is, maybe the asking price was too high.

[Michael Irvin]

The asking price for Tyreek Hill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. I still want Ocho. If. Okay. The best time to buy a sports car is win in the winter. You buy it in the summer, the spring, and see what they tax your ass. As a matter of fact, I'm going to New York. I'm going. Where? Where it's 20 below. Yeah, let me get that. Let me get that Ferrari.

[Michael Irvin]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I do. Hey. I will be able to. I will be able to get a discount on the sports car in the winter if I wait till the spring of the summer.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh, yo, listen to me. Let me tell you something. Speaking of sports cars, you let Jalen Ramsey go, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

You got that discount you wanted, but that discount, that sports car is still. It's still prime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

Stepping. It's still playing exactly how it's supposed to play. And it's in a better situation. You think Tyreek gonna be upset about leaving? Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think I. I. Ideally, Ocho. I mean, look, I'm in a state with no state tax.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the weather is Great year round. So all things being equal, Ocho, it's like when the fox threw the rabbit in the bra patch, right? He's like, whoo. I was born and raised right here. Thank you. He's like, Ocho, no state taxes.

[Michael Irvin]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the weather year round. What more could you ask for?

[Michael Irvin]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, there's a reason why. There's a reason why your black bald head ass still down there.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, that. Listen, Miami is all I know I'm born and raised. But obviously, you know, the first thing Tyreek could say mentally in his mind, what's the worst thing, the best thing I could ask for is a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Michael Irvin]

That's what he was saying, a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you want him to get. You want to have everything. So you want the man to have nice weather. You want to have no state income tax and he get to play with Aaron Rodgers or Lamar Jackson or, or Josh Allen.

[Michael Irvin]

Well, listen, from, from what I, from the reports I've been seeing about going to the Steelers. Oh, he would be nice for the reports I'm seeing him about going back to Kansas City. Then we would just see Tyreek of old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Michael Irvin]

When you're taking a player that's in a bad situation where they can't give him the ball and put them in a situation with quarterbacks or where he can get the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, so you want, so you want to put Jerry Rice. You want to put Jerry Rice with, with winner in Miami. At least put him in San Francisco so they go get some rain sometime. He got to play an inclement weather. Damn. You want to put him in an ideal situation that's like Barry. So you want to put Barry Sanders. You want to put Barry Sanders with, with a Hall of Fame quarterback and the Cowboys offensive line.

[Michael Irvin]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you wanted to be Emmy Smith because that's what. Look what they gave him. It. They gave a Hall of Fame quarterback, a Hall of Fame wide receiver, offensive line out the yin yang, and he got 18, 000 yards rushing.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah, well, hell, he was with the Dolphins. He had back to back 17, 1700 yard season. So we knew he can get it done there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess what? See, the thing is, is that he was probably. He was not going to have that in Kansas City because you got Kelsey. But what he was going to be able to do, slip something on his finger every, you know he's gonna get a. Get proposed. He's gonna get proposed to every. After every year.

[Michael Irvin]

Absolutely, absolutely. And the funny thing about it is wherever he does go, he increases the chances of getting another ring.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Michael Irvin]

He increases his chances of walking down an aisle again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I think the thing is, Ocho, I think they. You're not gonna. First of all, ain't nobody gonna give you what you gave up to get him.

[Michael Irvin]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's three years. He's three years older, and there's a lot other things going on now. Now, what? Is it reasonable that you. Because ocho, he got 36 million, he's gonna be $51 million against the cap next year for a wide receiver. So all things being equal, you're probably gonna have to extend him to lower that cap number.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now I gotta factor that in. Now, if I trade for him, how much of that salary are you gonna pay? How much of the salary am I gonna pay? Those are all things that's going to be factored in. Because I know next year, 26. He's not gonna. No. Ain't no wide receiver gonna count no $51 million against the cat.

[Michael Irvin]

I understand what you're saying, but again, whoever has to account for what. Whoever has to pay what they're willing to pay because you understand the type of player you're getting. You understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are we sure we're gonna get that type of player?

[Michael Irvin]

Absolutely. Okay, come on, now. Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying, Ocho, I got to factor in. I got the factor in last year. Do I not? Do I. Do I not factor in.

[Michael Irvin]

If we're factoring last year. Let's factor all. Let's factor in everything on why it looked the way it did. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even if you factor that in, the one thing that you cannot do is what? Quit.

[Michael Irvin]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter how bad it get outside, Ocho. No matter how bad it's storming right at the end of the day, Ocho, if you the mailman, you can't say, well, I ain't delivering the mail. Cause it's raining, right? Put on your galoshes. Put on your raincoat.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you got to deliver the mail.

[Michael Irvin]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. We all done been through it, Ocho. We all have been in a situation. We get our eyes beat out. I was like, whoo, man, I'm glad. Hey, one. Still up? Yeah, still up, man. We down 30.

[Michael Irvin]

Yeah. Hello. I was in that all my career outside of one season. All my career.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's tough, man. It's tough. Ben Johnson shouldn't expect a warm homecoming. Ocho, when he returns to Ford Field for week two. Almond Ross St. Brown said week two is going to be so crazy, I promise you, is going to be so electric. But as soon as Ben walks in there, we're booing him. I don't give a f. We're all booing him.

[Michael Irvin]

That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. Of course, listen, that's, that's the way it is, huh? That's the way it is. Obviously, Ben Johnson now being, you know, the head coach over there with the Bears having great success, you know, calling the plays for the Detroit Lions, of course fans are going to feel some way, players are going to feel some type of way. They're happy for them. But you're no longer a part of us. You're no longer part of us. So it comes with the territory. The booze are going to rain, the Bulls are going to rain, and when football is played, they're going to have, they're going to have to do what they need to do when that whistle blows.

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