Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Jerry Jones-Micah Parsons drama + Shakur Stevenson joins

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho React to Jerry Jones-Micah Parsons Drama + Shakur Stevenson Joins
Release Date: July 22, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode begins with host Shannon Sharpe (“Unc”) and co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson (“Ocho”) welcoming listeners to another engaging installment of "Nightcap." They express gratitude to their audience, promote their merchandise, and set the stage for the main discussions of the episode.

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2. Reacting to Jerry Jones-Micah Parsons Drama

Timestamp [00:45] - [08:36]

The first major topic centers around the ongoing drama between Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and defensive end Micah Parsons concerning contract clauses. The discussion delves into the Bengals' handling of Shemar Stewart’s contract, highlighting concerns over clauses that could void future guarantees based on conduct.

Shakur Stevenson:
“We need to embrace this community.”
(00:20)

Shakur expresses strong opposition to the Bengals’ approach:
“If you wanna punish me for something I did this year, by all means. But to take all the future guarantees… Absolutely not, Ocho. No way in hell would I ever do that.”
(04:14)

Shannon Sharpe:
“It’s about the money. Guarantee is about guaranteed money.”
(06:45)

The hosts and Shakur critique the Bengals for setting a potentially harmful precedent that could affect how other teams handle player contracts, emphasizing the need for fairness and protection for players.

Shakur Stevenson:
“This is business. This is the ugly side of business.”
(07:15)

Shakur reflects on the complexities of professional sports contracts, comparing them to hypothetical situations where contractual clauses could unjustly penalize players for actions outside their employment.

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3. Cleveland Browns’ Quarterback Situation

Timestamp [14:53] - [23:19]

Shannon Sharpe and Shakur Stevenson shift focus to the Cleveland Browns, discussing the team’s quarterback battle. They analyze the potential of Kenny Pickett versus seasoned players like Joe Flacco, expressing skepticism about Pickett’s immediate impact.

Shannon Sharpe:
“I know who’s going to be quarterback number one, week one… That’s Brother Sanders.”
(16:09)

Shakur Stevenson:
“Kenny Pickett still has a slight edge… but that could quickly change.”
(15:27)

The conversation highlights the Browns' defensive struggles from the previous season and the urgency for a reliable quarterback to lead the team towards their championship aspirations.

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4. Community Engagement by Shedeur Williamson

Timestamp [26:29] - [28:57]

The hosts commend Shedeur Williamson for his efforts in the community, especially following a tragic gas explosion event. Shakur praises Shedeur's involvement, noting his dedication to embedding himself within the Cleveland community.

Shannon Sharpe:
“He’s doing exactly what you’re supposed to do in the community. Let them see as a quarterback, I’m here.”
(27:37)

Shakur Stevenson:
“Props to Shador for hitting the ground running when it comes to ingratiating himself into the Cleveland community.”
(27:37)

This segment underscores the importance of players taking active roles in their local communities, fostering a strong bond with fans and residents.

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5. Critique of Jerry Jones' Management Style

Timestamp [29:30] - [48:00]

Shakur Stevenson takes a critical stance on Jerry Jones’ management practices with the Dallas Cowboys, particularly focusing on Jones’ interactions with players like Michael Parsons. He voices frustration over Jones' contractual tactics and perceived lack of genuine care for players beyond their performance.

Shakur Stevenson:
“He's running it like… I'm not gonna say the P-word. You’re running it like the P-word.”
(40:57)

Shakur Stevenson:
“Jerry Jones has shown you over the last 30 years he doesn’t care about winning. So guess what? Me either.”
(48:35)

Shakur draws parallels between past Cowboys’ successes and current contractual disputes, emphasizing a disconnect between ownership and player welfare.

Shannon Sharpe:
“That raised my eyebrows. But I thought, okay, maybe there's just a one-off… but they got into it. But it’s…”
(39:23)

This heated discussion highlights broader issues within NFL team management and player relations, advocating for more respectful and equitable treatment of athletes.

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6. Special Guest: Shakur Stevenson Discusses His Boxing Career

Timestamp [50:33] - [81:00]

The episode shifts to an in-depth interview with Shakur Stevenson, a prominent boxer, who shares insights into his recent fight, training regimen, and future aspirations. Shannon Sharpe commends Shakur’s performance and skill set, fostering a dynamic and entertaining conversation.

Shannon Sharpe:
“What was your game plan going into that fight?”
(52:36)

Shakur Stevenson:
“My game plan was different than what I did on fight night… I wanted to do the unexpected.”
(52:59)

Shakur elaborates on his strategic adjustments during the fight, emphasizing his adaptability and technical prowess:
“I stood in the pocket, I put on a perfect display of boxing.”
(55:59)

The discussion covers Shakur’s future fight plans, his approach to evolving his technique, and his aspirations to be one of the best lightweights of all time. He also engages in friendly banter with Shannon about potential matchups and training strategies.

Shakur Stevenson:
“I’m a natural lightweight… I want to be one of the best lightweights of all time.”
(58:27)

Shannon Sharpe:
“I like it. Hey, not as good as you've gotten from a skill set standpoint…”
(83:57)

Shakur and Shannon engage in lighthearted teasing about future boxing matches, showcasing the camaraderie and mutual respect between the hosts and their guest.

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7. Closing Remarks

Timestamp [81:00] - End

The hosts wrap up the discussion by reflecting on the depth of Shakur Stevenson's skill and the complexities of professional sports management. They express appreciation for his insights and congratulate him on his impressive boxing career.

Shakur Stevenson:
“I appreciate you, too.”
(80:51)

Shannon Sharpe:
“Congratulations on one hell of a goddamn fight in career so far.”
(80:36)

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Notable Quotes

• Shakur Stevenson:
  “It is about the money. Guarantee is about guaranteed money.”
  (06:45)

• Shannon Sharpe:
  “This is business. This is the ugly side of business.”
  (07:15)

• Shakur Stevenson:
  “Jerry Jones has shown you over the last 30 years he doesn’t care about winning. So guess what? Me either.”
  (48:35)

• Shakur Stevenson:
  “I stand in the pocket, I put on a perfect display of boxing.”
  (55:59)

• Sharon Sharpe:
  “I just want to tell you congratulations on one hell of a goddamn fight in career so far.”
  (80:36)

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Club Shay Shay," Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson navigate through intense discussions on NFL contract disputes, specifically focusing on Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons drama, while also shedding light on broader issues within team management. The introduction of boxer Shakur Stevenson adds a fresh perspective, blending sports insights with personal experiences. The hosts effectively balance critical analysis with engaging camaraderie, offering listeners a comprehensive and entertaining episode.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shakur Stevenson]

Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us again for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingles Ring of Fame Artery Pro Bowler all probably that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Thank you guys again for joining us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Tell family, friends and loved ones to do likewise. We Ocho and I and the Nightcap family cannot thank you enough for your support and your continued support. Because of you, we're able to do what we do and thank you for helping us win all these awards that you see in the backdrop. We Ocho's in the hotel or you would see a couple of his awards. But these awards of courtesy of you, they cannot deny us. They cannot deny us. And so thank you so much for your support and your continued support. Please make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We do have it in stock now. If you cannot find Shay by La Portier in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Best believe we're coming to a city or a state near you. We're going to be in California really soon. Arizona. We're headed to Atlanta in about a week or so we head into Delaware. We're going to circle back and hit Baltimore, hit Houston. So we're going to get circle back and hit some of the cities that we've always been already been. But we're going to be opening up new markets so I look to see you guys on the trail real soon. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company in 84 with 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat and supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. And joining us a little later in the evening, Ocho Shakur Stevenson will be joining us in just a Bit. But first we gotta talk about your team. The Bengals point the finger at Shamar Stewart. Shamar Stewart's agent over the contract. First, Bengals director of player personnel Duke Tobin pointed the finger at Stewart's representation. He needs to be here. I would encourage him to be here. He's listening to advice. He's paying for his agent. I don't understand the advice. We're treating him fairly. No, you're not. No, you're not. Nobody else put that language in the contract, right. That if you have a conduct detrimental, all future guaranteed could be voided.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You do realize, if I'm not mistaken, I think the way they do it now, Ocho, the guarantee first round of the money is guaranteed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So in other words, he has a slip up this year, next year, the year after and the year after money could potentially be voided. Are they out of their mind? That is the reason why you have an agent is that you're supposed to take advice from the agent, right? If you didn't. Because, see, they want to take advantage. Oh, we're treating him fairly. No, you're not. No, you're not. Nobody else does this. Y' all trying to be slick and they know they're starting to dangerous. You gotta be careful with precedent, Ocho. Precedent. Because now they're gonna try everybody. You start doing that, everybody gonna try to start to slip that in there. Nah, you're not gonna do that. If you wanna punish me for something I did this year, by all means. But to take all the future guarantees, right. When the contract is more, more times than not, it's guaranteed. Absolutely not, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely. I totally understand what you're saying. Obviously I don't like the hypothetical that was used in the situation being that if you're in prison, Mike Brown saying, if just so happened he goes to prison, I shouldn't have to pay him. For that matter, I think it should be a year to year thing. I think the agent should have come to that conclusion a very long time ago. Based on yearly. Listen, year one, if something happens that detrimental conduct detrimental to the team, then money for that specific year should not have to be paid. There should be some type of penalty where the players, not the player, that the owners can protect themselves and not have the play. But what's fair is fair. And what I think what they're trying to do is not fair. They're trying to set a precedent, a certain precedent that if, if Shemar Stewart, the first one, that everyone else, it's a copycat league. If one if one team does it and Shemar Stewart and his agent allow it to happen, then it would be a trickle effect and everyone else will start implementing that and setting that precedent as well.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Then owner Mike Brown said, it's not about money. It's about guarantee. In this case of if he were to do something contrary to the discipline levels of the league, I don't think that's going to ever happen. That's what's holding it up. It's never happened as long as I can remember. His agent wants to be. If he acted in a terrible fashion, this is all hypothetical. Something that rises to the level of him going to prison when we'd be on the line for the guarantee. Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah, but Ocho. But guess what? They want to be in a situation. If we cut you, even if I got guaranteed money, I cut you, I ain't got to pay you. That's what guarantee me. Hold on. Am I the only one that understands what the word guarantee mean, Ocho? Yeah, that's how it works. You don't. You don't get. You don't get to determine right that, well, you did something. Year one, now we're going to punish you. Year two, year three, year four, Year four, bro. I don't work like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, if it goes to.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Arbitrary, Ocho, if it goes to arbitration, you know, and that's what we have. We have an independent arbiter, and they hear both sides, and if they say, okay, okay, I can live with that. But for you to me to just give you that kind of control, just give up that. Absolutely not, Ocho. No way in hell would I ever do that. And he said, it's not about the money. It is about the money. Guarantee is about guaranteed money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Definitely about the money. But listen. Excuse me. Shemar Stewart and his representation are in a tough spot. The Bengals, the Browns and Mike Brown, Katie and Duke Tobin, they're also in a tough spot. I would love for the matter to be resolved. Training camp has already started.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rookies have already reported. So he's actually missing time, valuable time, where I think he can come in and make a difference. Based on what I've seen on film, you know, with college tape, he can come in and make a difference. Our defense was very bad last year.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need all hands on deck.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Correct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need all hands on deck based on how we as a team and our organization start every goddamn season in a hole, having to dig ourself and dig our way out of it. The point of Having the draft is the draft people and draft players that we think we can benefit from and help our team in this situation right here is not helping us in any way, shape, form or fashion to reach the end goal. We all have the same end goal. We trying to get to Lombardi, we trying to be in San Fran fucking Cisco come February, week one. And this is not the type of business and going about doing so. I hope they get the matter resolved. I'm sick of talking about it. You know, I'm sorry for being a little frustrated. I'm a little passionate about my team a little bit, you know. And listen, Shemar Stewart has to do it right. His representation is doing exactly what they should do. This is business. This is the ugly side of business. I know young people want to go out there and play football. I got drafted. I finally achieved and reached my childhood dream of getting drafted to an NFL team. It just so happened. Now the business gets in the way. The ugly side of it. And you wonder why I had so much fun while I was playing to get away from this side, this part, man, I hope it's resolved.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you notice how the Bengals now why didn't the 30 other one of the teams did the hypotheticals. You notice how hypothetical only happened to the Bengals if he were to go to prison or something? I don't think that's going to happen. Just like they said. Oh, just like he might misbehave, run a file with the league. I don't think that's going to happen. Well, if you don't think that's going to happen, why are you putting language in there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have. I have a question.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And excuse me for my lack of ignorance and lack of knowledge on his past history. Does he have character issues or stuff that happened previously in the past that I don't know about? Because that to me that would be the only reason this specific player these clauses will want to be implemented into his contract because of past behavior.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I thought you came in with a clean slate. That's what they told us. Now, I noticed. Now you. I don't know if you remember this. You remember when they. Terrell Pryor. Terrell Pryor sold some of his game war and stuff. The stuff that he got for winning the Big Ten championship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ohio State.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Ohio State. He sold his jersey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Now this happened in college and when he got to the league, the league suspended him for five games. I was outraged. I said, how in the hell. Since when can you punish me for something, Ocho? Let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm a college kid and I get a DUI in college. I graduate college, I do an unbelievable job. I graduate with honors. I get this job and the job tells me, well, we're gonna take two months salary from you because you got a DUI that didn't have nothing to do when I wasn't even on the job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right, right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Whatever. Shamar, shamar, Shamar. Whatever he did or didn't do, he didn't do it on the Bengals clock, right? How do you get to punish somebody for something they didn't do when they didn't work for you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But also, this is their entity, this is their business. So when it comes to business, something that you do know is businesses, they do everything they can, especially contractually, to be able to protect themselves. Just in case what you did back then, in case your past creeps in while you work for us.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Have they put this in their contract? Is this in Joe Burrow's contract? Is this in Chase's contract?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Shakur Stevenson]

Was this in Anthony Munoz's contract? Was this in Boomer Sizes contract? Because this is the same ownership that's owned there. So I need to know now if this is what they've always done. I don't have a problem with it. I might not like it, but if this is something new, I'm not going to be your test dummy. I'm not going to be your guinea pig to start this precedent. You can start it next year, but I will not allow you to start the precedent with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hey, that's a good one. Hey, it's a tough spot. Hey, I know. Fans are pissed. Fans are pissed. Hell, you can tell the Way I'm talking, like, I'm sick of talking about it. Cause I want to see young bull in camp. But I also. I see both sides. I see both sides. Of course, me always having to side with. I got the side with the players. As much as I love my Bengals, I got the side with the player.

[Shakur Stevenson]

More times than not. I do too, Ocho. But I believe in right is right, wrong is wrong, and I think the bingos are wrong in this situation. And to say you're receiving bad advice, that's why you. Ocho, why would I hire a financial advisor if I'm not gonna listen to it? Somebody. I'm gonna give somebody millions of dollars to invest my money. And then they say, well, here, this is safe. It's not gonna give you 20, 30, 40%, but it's gonna give you a consistent 6 to 8%. Because when you take those huge swings, there's a chance. Yes, they don't hit. This is safe. Now, once you get to a certain level, you say, okay, I got a couple of extra dollars. I want to put it in something here a little more risky that's gonna give me more bang for my buck. Something that can give me 3x, 2x, 4x 5x. But that's a huge risk because for every Uber Eats or ring, there's something that does not hit. See, they're all the ones. We look at the bitcoins and we look at the Uber Eats, and we look at the Amazons. But do you know how many companies have gone belly up and that never. The IPO was nothing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thousands. Yes, thousands.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So that's the whole reason is that I hired a guy for a reason. If I thought I could do it on my own, I damn sure would want to. Didn't care to give somebody 3 to 4%, but I knew I couldn't do it on my own. And then I didn't want to hear them talk some bull jive. Because here I was taking these injections and giving my all and. And you telling me I'm losing the step. Was I losing the step before or after I started taking them injections? And I was. I wasn't 100% out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute. Speak. Speaking of that. Speaking of that. I'm glad you just said that. I'm. I'm so glad you just said, please tell me. Talk about that team that we so called America's Team, based on the comments that were said about sticks. Please tell me we got that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We go. We. We gonna get that. We go get the back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay, Okay. I just want to make sure we got in the lineup now because he got his nerve. The audacity.

[Shakur Stevenson]

The goal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She, man. Go ahead, Browns.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Kenny Pickett predicted to enter training camp as QB1. Cleveland's quarterback battle is about to begin with the start of the 2025 training camp. Rookies and vets have officially reported to Berea. And to kick things off, Mary Kay Cabot predicts that Kenny Pickett will have the upper hand early in camp. Kenny Pickett still has a slight edge in terms of being number one on the depth chart heading into training camp, but that could quickly change. Mary Kay Cabot is the gospel when it comes to the Cleveland Browns.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, she is.

[Shakur Stevenson]

She's the gospel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, he is. Listen, she's the Pavarotti of opera.

[Shakur Stevenson]

There are some reporters that when they speak about. Because they've covered it for so long. Yes, that's her. Jane Slater, when she starts talking about the Cowboys. Take it to the bank.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Every time.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Take it to take it. Take gone and take it to the bank. It used to be that way with Ed Bouchette when he was in Pittsburgh. I don't know if he still. Ed still there, but when he talks gone. They like. Yeah, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Mary Kay. Cabbage. Go ahead, Ocho. You gonna say no?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm gonna say the quarterback battle.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like what they're doing. I like what they're doing. I like the fact that they put certain things out and most of the time it's all smoke and mirrors. It's all smoke and mirrors. I talk to the people that play on that team. I hear what's being said. I slipped up a little bit a few shows ago and said some things I shouldn't have said, but it was okay with that individual that I did say it. I know what it looks like they're telling me, so. I love what she says. And when she says Kenny Pickett has a chance to be quarterback number. I know who going to be quarterback number one, week one, when they step on that field, I know who it's going to be. I can tell you that. You know, it's going to be Joe Flacco. That's neither here nor there. The person that has the front running experience. The front running experience, based on what he's done, his familiarity with the team and the offense, could be Joe Flacco. Now, who's going to be behind him if anything goes wrong or when things start to go wrong, my guess is going to be the best person most polished with the Most success behind him. And that would be. That would be 12. And that's brother Sanders. No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett, but if they were the answer, they've already had their time. They already had their chances to be starting quarterbacks in the league. You know what I'm saying? Is something going to miraculously change with Kenny Pickett?

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, I don't think so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Yeah. So I don't understand quarterback number one. I don't listen to any of that. That's all. I call that smoke and mirrors. No disrespect to Kenny Pickett. Love him. Love him. But it's opportunity. With the Steelers, you had it. So you mean you come to a team like the Cleveland Browns that's in dire need of quarterback one, and all of a sudden now you're the answer. If something has changed miraculously at the quarterback position with you and your play. No, it hasn't.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I agree, Ocho. I just didn't understand if, you know, you bring in all these quarterbacks, you bring a veteran 18 years in Joe Flacco, you bring in another veteran player in Kenny Pickett, and you take two rookies. Yeah, it was. I don't get that because I see a very similar situation with the RG3 situation in Washington. You take RG3 with the number two pick, and then you end up taking Cousins. And we see how that played out. We see how it played out. Mike didn't. Mike didn't want RG3 because back then, Ocho, they were in salary cap hell. They had tried to put all that money in an uncapped year. The league punished them. And so they had a lot of debt. They had a lot. They really didn't have any cap space. Now Mike's looking at Daniel Snyder, said, dan, if we give up this to get this young man, how do we build a team? We can't sign free agencies and we've given up draft capital for the foreseeable future.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And his style leads to injury. Because now if he's going to be Lamar. You see, Lamar gradually runs less and less. He throws more and more from the pocket. He's done a better job of getting down. He's done a better job of getting out of bounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That wasn't RG3. And plus the fact RG3 wanted to be something that he couldn't be immediately. That was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady right pocket being able to. They were. That because they were not athletic, they couldn't take off and run. And Run away from a defense like RG3 could. He didn't understand that was his blessing. Ocho. You notice, Ocho, quarterbacks that are not mobile never said, man, I wish I was mobile. Tom Brady never said, I wish I could do this. Peyton Manning never said, I do that. Because you have to understand, the defense looks at you once you start running. They see Adrian Peterson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter what jersey number you wearing, I see a running back. That's it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And I'm trying to. And I'm trying to split his dome legally. I'm trying to hit you as hard as God will let me. Now, I'm not concerned about next week, but if I hit you clean, legally, and you don't come back into the game, I wish you the best for next week. But, oh, well. Because I look at it like this, Ocho. My job as a defender is not to protect the offensive player. That's his coordinator's job. That's his quarterback job. So if the coordinator calls a play and the quarterback takes off running. You told me you don't care about him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So why should I?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But also, you know what? You know what? Also, coordinator. He knows the player strengths. That's at the quarterback position. So he puts the quarterback. He puts the quarterback in advantageous positions to make those plays for the team. And just so happens what the quarterback does best is the exact thing the defense hope he does. And that's fine.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Cause all I need is one clean shot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And I just. I just hope Shador gets a fair chance. It's hard. Speaking personally, Ocho, going into a situation where you're not a high draft pick and you're behind so many guys. Hell, I'm like the sixth or seventh receiver. I'm only going to get one or two plays, Ocho. And how do I get your attention?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make the most of it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even think it. I don't even think it's not even hard, huh? It's not even hard. I hate going back. But this was just a lesson being taught. We already know he's a top three pick and should have been. Should have been. Now, for. For. For. For conversational purposes, this is a great conversation piece. I know how the outcome is going to be based on what he can do when he touches the field. He's been a winner all his life.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everywhere he's went in that same attitude and discipline and way of playing the game of football is going to carry over in Cleveland. As well. And this is no disrespect to the other competitors on that team at that Pacific position.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's going to carry over. He's already been through adversity. He's already faced these same obstacles every time. This is just another one he's going to overcome. And I'm happy for the organization. Hell, I'm happy for Browns fans, because finally, what you've always needed for so long, it's right there in your building. All they doing is just prolonging the situation. That's all they doing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Well, they don't need to prolong it anymore. They need to find a quarterback. They need to find one bad. And you, you know, if you go back and look at it, they really only had two. I mean, you got to go back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To Otto Graham, Bernie Kozar.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Well, Otto Graham, I think, went to like 10 championships. But that was. That was. That was like before your. Before your mom and your girl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I seen Auto Graham play. I seen. I seen the black and white footage. He was nice now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And then you got. Yeah, and then you got Bernie Baker. Baker could have been good. Yeah, but they didn't have the pieces around Baker. You see, Baker found a home. You know, look in Tampa. Cause look at what Baker had at Oklahoma.

[Unnamed Guest]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you forget the receivers Baker had in Cleveland? You don't remember, huh?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Who he had?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Odell, if I'm not mistaken. Right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jarvis Landry, if I'm not mistaken.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And was it Donovan people, Jones, or am I tripping? Am I off chat.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Chat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remind me. Remind me if. Yeah, but that. Hey, that's something to work with, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But think about it. Ocho Odell came off a broken leg. Odell had a torn acl. We know Odell was not the same player that he was in New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he hadn't got hurt yet.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He had broke his leg in the Giants.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay. Okay. Thank you for getting me. Right. Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Jarvis was a slot receiver, had great hands, durable. But that's not. That's not Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Mike Evans. Mike Evans in his own. In his own world.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Now, Godwin has gotten hurt a lot over the last several years, but the one thing you can do. Hey, you can set your clock by. Mike Evans is going to get a thousand yards receiving. Mike gave it. Is going to get a thousand yards receiving. Yeah, he went somewhere. Carolina was not a good fit for him. The Rams, we know he wasn't going to stick there. Stafford had gotten hurt Stafford was their guy. He was never going to beat Stafford out. But he goes to Tampa, plays on a one year deal and boom, the rest is, as they say, is history. And he's found a home because at Oklahoma, look at the receivers that he had. CD Lamb, who else was, who else was the other receiver? I think Joe Mixon was his running back. So he's used to being around talented talent, talent, talent. Now they give him that. So now he can shine, he can flourish. We're going to find out. They're in a very, very tough division. The Steelers got better. The Ravens got better. The Bengals believe they've gotten better. They've resigned their two offensive weapons. Joe Burrow has another year in that system. The question is, can they hold up defensively? Because they put. When Ocho. It puts a lot of pressure on your offense to have to be perfect. To have to. I mean, they have to be perfect. Yeah. Joe Burrow can turn the ball over one time and sometimes that's enough to cause him to lose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

One turnover, it's hard to play perfect. But that's what the Bengals have to be because their defense, they score 38, they give up 41, they score 35, they give up 38, they score 31, they give up 34.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And Joe just has to like, damn, can't turn it over today because our defense ain't stopping no one. It's hard to play like that. It really is. All right. Oh, this is the subject that you. Oh. Also, there's something mainstream media hasn't reported much on. In the wake of June 23rd gas explosion that sparked a fire at ravaged several units in the Rainbow Terrace section of Garden Valley Apartments. Shedeur gave back to the community. Over the course of four hours last Wednesday evening, nearly 1,000 residents of the Garden Valley apartments gathered for a family friendly charitable event sponsored by Chadour. The festivities featured an 11 year old DJ, line dancing, free haircuts, food truck, grilled food and complimentary T shirts. In addition to never turning down a selfie request, Shador joined residents and Cornhold, a makeshift football game and even blowing bubble with children. Props to Shador for hitting the ground running when it comes to ingratiating himself into the Cleveland community.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. What's the one thing you get? You get. Remember the movie Gladiator?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember what he told Maximus? Win the crowd. You win your what? Your freedom.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Win the crowd and the rest will take care of itself. He's doing exactly. Listen, he's doing exactly what you're supposed to do in bed. Embed yourself in the community. Let them see as a quarterback, I'm here. I'm here. I don't think. I don't think things went the way they should have gone, but I'm here. That's going to take him far with those on the outside of the stadium. Mm, far. That means a lot. When's the last time you seen a Cleveland Brown quarterback do something like that? All of them done stuff in the community. I'm sure they all do. Every team, every team has players that I mean to that magnitude.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that specifically.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Normally that's the first round pick high draft choice, not seventh round picks. It definitely not this time of the year. Now maybe once the season starts. I've made the team. I do things in the community.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I.

[Shakur Stevenson]

A blood drive, a food bank, clothes to the. Whatever the case may be. Christmas gift, turkeys for Thanksgiving, hams, whatever the case may be. Ojo. Yeah, I get that. I've seen it. But not like this. Yeah, but this is who he is. Yeah, this is who he is. So kudos to Shador for getting out of the community, ingratiating himself and hey, good things. Jerry Jones chose the opening training camp by taking a shot at Michael Parsons. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to have him.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He was hurt six games last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seriously, we've signed. I remember signing a player for the.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out two thirds of the year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved.

[Unnamed Soccer Expert]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

We need veteran players and we need young players. Like you're building a team from scratch. And so the succession plan of long term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community.

When I was 13, my uncle took me to a quality qualifier and we watched Paraguay against Chile. Pouring rain. Just watching the fans jumping up and down, I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that gonna be my game, but it was gonna be my life.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about.

[Shakur Stevenson]

When you Just as the player does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Money, he just can't help himself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dallas Cowboys fans, Dallas Cowboy players, this is your head coach. This is your. Excuse me, here comes my head coach.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He's the head coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. This is the man that. He is the head coach, huh? This is the man the show. This is the man. This lets you know in short term how they really feel about you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

For sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is.

[Shakur Stevenson]

After all that man is done, this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is how they really feel about you. There's nothing like getting. Taking a dig or taking a shot at your two star players. Your two star players. Oh, well, I made one the highest paid, but he missed it, Missed the season because of the injury. We play football. It's a contact sport. It's a barbaric sport. Sometimes injuries do happen.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I remember he made his. I remember he made another quarterback the highest paid. And he never took a shot at him. And he stayed injured. But that ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought that up. Ocho, uh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is who you have to go out there and play for. This is who you have to go out there and play for.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I wanna know. Was Tony Roman.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how your owner thinks about you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes, but we know that. See, see, the thing is, o. See, I remember in 2016 when Colin Nipton. Oh, but Jerry loves his players. Jerry loves people that look like you and I that can do something for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Don't you fool yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

See the mistake that people make. Oh, Jerry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Michael Irving could do things for him. DEZ Bryant can do things for him. Emma Smith could do things for him. Charles Haley could do things for him. Nate Newton, Larry Allen. I could go on and on and on. Stop fooling yourself. Oh, out of the kindness of your heart. Okay, Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have a question, and this is for the chat, for the. For the people in the chat as well. If you play for the Cowboys organization, how would you feel as a player, understanding that's how the man who runs the show and writes your checks felt about you?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I already know how I feel about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How does that even give you the motivation to even wanna go out there.

[Shakur Stevenson]

And play for that man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Play for that man Outside of the money.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's all I'm doing. See what? He is upset. He's upset at Dak because Dak has always. Has been Posed him. Dak has always, always been what it was. You're the owner. I'M the player. A lot of players get close to Jerry. Dak has never allowed that to happen. Todd France comes in, does the negotiating hard line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm up out of here. Dak goes about his business. Dak ain't trying to go to his house. Dak is not trying to go out, hang out with him. Dak is Dak. Dak does what he does. Dak now has a family.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom. Strictly business.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Strictly business. You see, he taking a shot at Michael because Michael wouldn't let him. Wouldn't let glazing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. No.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh. Oh.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We. It's between me and the player. You never did a deal with just the player when the player had representation. But you know what? It's going to cost you because you let Max Crosby get a new deal, you let Miles Garrett get a new deal, you let TJ Watt get a big new deal. And guess what? Michael Parsons is three to four years younger in all of them. Yes. So guess what? He's about to do pole vault. So whatever TJ White got, Michael Parson is going to get a million to $2 million more. And don't give me that junk. I play in Texas. Oh, well, I do. I know it ain't no state income tax, and I'm glad for that. So that 42, 43 million. Uncle Sam's only go get 36% of it. No state taxes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And I'm understanding, obviously. I wanted to text Michael. I wanted to call him, but I was like, you know what? I'm not even going to bother him. Just ask how you feel. How does that make you feel? And I'm just thinking about like, crap.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That is my owner. Think my owner thinks about me now. What about the time that. Oh, yeah, he missed some games, but I guarantee you there's some games that he should have missed more.

[Unnamed Guest]

Right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Because I know Michael has some issues going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But that ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought that up again. Damn. I keep telling people business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know how many times all of us have played the game of football and went out there anyway when we were hurt?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had to take toward all pills. Had to take. Had to take the Tortol shot and play for the end.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Zylocan, Marcaine. Yeah. Cortisone. Yes. All that shooting up in your shoulders and in your knees. Not. Well, I ain't shooting my knees up. I shot my ankles up, shot my shoulders up. Ribs. Did all that. Ocho did all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do we not. How do we not Understand or just have any self awareness where that's the kind of stuff that, that you say to yourself, but you never say out loud about the players that are on your team. You don't say stuff like that out loud.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Had the nerves dead in my ankles, so I couldn't feel no pain. The whole. That. That's what nerves do. They allow you to feel pain. Says, okay, hey, bro, back off that. I had my nerves done. Had my nerves and my ankles deadened so I couldn't feel pain, so I could go out there and play. And then to have somebody talk like that, man, please. I'd have lost it. I'd have lost it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what's funny is when you think about the owners, obviously it's 32 owners. I think Jerry is the only one with the cojones to come out and say how he really feels. No one else would do that. What you saw today, Nobody else would do that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No. Why would it? But Jerry. Jerry. But see, that's what Jerry wanted to be about him. See, Jerry don't want no superstar because you know why he want a superstar? Because he. He would never take a Tom Brady. He would never. He couldn't play for Tate Manning, right? Because they'd be bigger than he is, and he don't want that to happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I've been very fortunate. I played for two owners, Mr. Bolan. I did something for his family today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But Ocho, he. It was about us. We were the superstars, right? He used to tell me all the time, sharpie, I ain't catching no passes. Sharpie, I ain't making no tackles. Why the hell I need to be up there and talking and carrying on? That's what I pay you guys for. I said, you play us quite well. I don't get why Jerry felt to open up training camp like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Everything that comes up doesn't need to come out, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, Michael, what you're thinking doesn't need to be said. Every little thought, especially stuff that you know, is going to ruffle people's feathers. Catch media headlines. Hell, the only thing that should be catching headlines today is cowboys open up training camp and George Pickens looks good. Excuse my language. Sorry. George Pickens look good day one. That's it. That. That's what. That should be the conversation. Not what you said about that. What you said about Michael, man, come on, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

J.J. watt took to Twitter, excuse me, X to defend him. Anytime you can publicly take a dig at your Star quarterback and your young star pass Russell simultaneously right before the season begins. You got to just take it. Nothing makes guys want to fight for you more than. Than hearing how upset you are that they got hurt while fighting for you. Micah reposted that. Hey, no discount for you, Jerry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, hold on, hold on. What if. What if. What if he didn't. Excuse me? What if it even goes worse? What if Micah says, you know, that that's how you feel about me?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Trade me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why don't you trade me? Yeah, then what? And the funny thing is funny about me, I'm just finding out all about Jerry's ways because I never played for the Cowboys. And obviously when I was playing, you know, I'm blind to what's going on over there. But unk you the one introduced me and told me about the whole thing with Jimmie Johnson.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that raised my eyebrows. But I thought, okay, maybe that just. Okay, maybe there's just a one off. Maybe they just had a disagreement and he's not really like that, but they got into it. But it's.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He thought after three years, he thought after he hired.89 was Jimmy's first year. That's the year he took over. He brought the. I think bum bright. I think that's who he bought the Cowboys from. So he took over him and him and Jimmy in 89. Cause Troy was their first draft pick. They won the championship in four, in 92, won it again in 93, again in 95. So in four years. So 89, 90, 91, 92. So in the fourth year, he thought he knew more football than Jimmy. Now see Jimmy, see what Jimmy could do. Jimmy was coming from college at the U. So all these guys that's coming out, guess who knew him because he tried to recruit him at the U. Yeah. See, Jerry think because somebody handed him a piece of paper that they've done all the work for. See, Jerry is that guy that does no part of the project, but he gets an A. You ain't do nothing. You just happened to own the team. You did nothing. Jimmy, the scouts, the evaluators, they did all the work. It burned him. It burned him that Jimmy got the credit. Everybody gave Jimmy the credit and he wanted Jimmy to toast him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's a tough spot to be in for a player. It has to be. Just to hear that from your owner has to be a tough spot to be in. You know, he's running it. It's supposed to be a football team. It's supposed to be an organization. But you're Running it like. I'm not gonna say the P word. You running like the P word, Ocho.

[Unnamed Guest]

You saw Django?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You saw Django?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. You see where I'm going? Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You running it like that. You don't say.

[Unnamed Guest]

You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't say that about the players that you paying. You don't complain. Oh, I made the quarterback the highest paid because you fucking waited to pay him. You waited to the last minute, and.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You waited till the last minute you would got Michael Parsons on the fifth year option.

[Unnamed Guest]

You did.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So you waited till the last minute and he said it. And I used to say this all the time. I am not going to give you. I would give you a discount if you signed me with a couple of years left because. Because now you giving me guaranteed money. I'm not giving you a discount if you make me get to the punctuation the end. No, bro, I got to get maximum dollar out of you, max value. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. I know who Jerry is. And as long as they know who Jerry is, they should never have a problem with it. He applauds what you do, not who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hmm.

[Shakur Stevenson]

It's transactional to him. You can provide a service, a damn good one. He gonna pat you on the back. But if you think it's anything more than that, you're sadly mistaken. Sadly mistaken.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, that's.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I ain't never heard nothing like that. Now, I know a lot of them think like that. One thing they think, but they actually say it out loud.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But, see, Jerry's beyond, bro. Listen. See, a lot of times, people want to. They'll take what he says about them, but I listen to what he says about everything else and how he handles everything else. That told me a lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. Oh, your toes are going to be on the line. Your hand's going to be over the heart. Oh, oh, oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Doing that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay. I see where we're going with this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I see what y'. All. I see how you think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, listen, it's unfortunate be you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I. I hate to try. Like I said, I know Michael Little. I like him a lot. Great personality. No, it's a representative. But I'm gonna be very, very disappointed if y' all don't rig Jerry ass cross the coals if y' all don't get at least 42, $43 million if y' all don't get. If y' all don't get 10 million if y' all don't get 5 million more than what T.J. watt got. T.J. got three years, 143 million. He got 108 guaranteed with one year. Oh, man. Y' all better get you all 115 million guaranteed. Fully guaranteed. As a matter of fact, Jerry, since you've been nasty, I want a hundred of it and sign it. I want 100 of about 115 and sign it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As soon as I sign the dotted line. I'm not even shaking hands. Hey, I'm not even shaking hands.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm happy to be a cowboy, but I'm more happy that I get to secure my family. This is generational wealth. My family, my dad, my brother. Hey, we good now, dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy. He really said that out loud, though.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, that's crazy. But that's oo. Don't you like that? Don't you? I. Let me know where I stand with you. See, so far, too many times. Far too many times. I just need to know. See, that's the difference between the south and the North. And the south, you know, they don't like you. They tell you. Yeah, yeah, I don't like you, bub. As opposed to hiding, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Jerry tell y' all what he think. Michael actually reported to training camp today, despite the contract standoff. Should. No. Should Michael trust Jerry Jones enough to report to camp? Yeah, I'm gonna report to camp. I'm gonna report to camp. I don't want to get no money back. I don't want to, but I just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Cause they. They. They. They've tried to be. That's another thing, Ocho. See. See what they put in there now? Hey, there's no forgiveness, though. It doubles. I mean, what they start at 15,000, 30,000. You missed 10. You missed 10, 15 days of practice. That's over a million dollars that the team can't forgive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but now that, you know, you go in there, you know, you play the game. You play the game.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm paying for the number on the back of my jersey. Huh? I'm playing for the number, the name on the back of my jersey, if that name on the front. Because that's what you said to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, basically. Basically and not so many words. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So, hey, go do what you do, Michael. I hope Michael get 25 sacks and the 50 and the 40 million you gonna pay is 50 now. 50 miles, Micah. Hopefully you get a contract extension. What's Micah planning? What's his fifth year. Option 20. What? Cause he's outside. He's the edge over here. DN24 May. Micah, all you do is that you pay your monthly expenses. Don't you buy nothing. Don't you buy a car. Don't you, hey, tell your mom and dad, hey, look here. There'll be no expenses going on. I'm gonna pay my rent. I'm gonna pay X, Y and Z. I'm just gonna pay monthly expenses.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm gonna sit tight because if this. You know what? Try to franchise me, I'm not coming. I'm not signing no franchise tag. I'm not signing a franchise tag. Not gonna do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think he would play with him?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. You do realize, here's the thing, Ocho. You didn't do it to me now, so you've made me run the gauntlet two years in a row where I. Oh, no, bro. I got hit you over the head with a heavy hammer. Yes, absolutely. If I'm Michael. Yes. The price goes. The price goes up 10% every year that you don't get this done. So right now it's 42 million. You don't pay me this year. Guess What? It's a 10% increase. 46 million and plus another 10% on the. On the sign on the guaranteed money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I don't. Is he. Does he purposely. What is the method? You did it with CD Lamb. You did it with Dak.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You did it with dq Elliott. What's the. What's the purpose of the last minute?

[Shakur Stevenson]

He's thinking they're going to give him a discount. I'm not giving you a discount. When you making me run to the last year of the contract, Ocho. I'm not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

See, he thought Dak would give him a discount like Wentz and Golf gave their teams discounts. But those teams, they were first and second overall pick. They got huge. Their total contract was guaranteed. They got 35 million. They got 32 million fully guaranteed. I don't know what that was a fourth round pick, so I don't really know what those numbers are. Then three years into the deal, they give a new contract. That is what they did with that. So, Ocho, I've already gotten 32, $33 billion guaranteed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Plus you come to me early. Okay, I'll give you a little discount. I help you, I'll help the salary cap, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Understandable. Understandable.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm not giving you a discount when I'm that low of a draft pick. My first Contract?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That first one, I'm trying to split your dome. Oh, yes, absolutely. Now, I might give you one the second one, but that's my choosing. No, you say, oh, oh, you know, you tell me that's, you know, football business and let football people do football things. Well, I'm gonna let y' all handle that salary cap. So my job is not to try to help y' all manage your salary cap. I'm trying to extract because I care just about as much as winning as you do. Jerry Jones have shown you over the last 30 years he doesn't care about winning. So guess what? Me either. You care about making money, so do I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved.

[Unnamed Soccer Expert]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

We need veteran players and we need young players. Like, you're building a team from scratch, and so the succession plan of long term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community.

When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier and we watched Paraguay against Chile. Pouring rain. Just watching the fans jumping up and down, I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I care about what you care about. Okay, we got a special guest joining us on show. Shakur Stevenson. He just had a fight over William Beat Williams cepeda. Stevenson landed 295 of 565 punches thrown, 52% down, not landed 96 jabs of 207 thrown, 46. Damn. Did he move? Damn, he was punching. He was a punching bag. What the hell? How do you hit somebody 52% of the time of punches land? You hit somebody 46% of the time of jabs thrown and power shots. You landed and you hit somebody 56% of the time with power shots.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I. Can I explain to you?

[Shakur Stevenson]

He was biting a statue of Shakur. Go ahead, Ocho, take off. I'll let you have it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you muted.

[Unnamed Guest]

You can hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, there you go.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, we got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can hear you now.

[Unnamed Guest]

What's good, y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Thank you for joining us. Shakur, we didn't give you. We wanted to get right. Go ahead. We wanted to get you in. We're gonna give you a proper introduction because, you know. But go ahead. Go ahead, Ocho. I'm gonna let you take it off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take off now, Jakur. I was gonna say, Unk, just read off the stats. And a lot of people don't really understand how good you are offensively when it comes. Listen, your defense is your offense. They don't understand how good you are. How does it feel for all those that doubted saying, he's always running. He doesn't stand there and fight to show the world that you can also put on the boxing clinic? You can sit in the pocket against a pressure fighter where everywhere everybody thought because he's a pressure fighter, you would be running around. But what you did, you sat in the pocket, you created disses, you stayed at mid range, and you put on a fucking clinic. What was your game plan going into that fight?

[Unnamed Guest]

Honestly, man, my game plan was different than what I did on fight night, right? I talk with my coaches. My coaches had a certain game plan. They wanted me to outbox them, move, make him frustrated with my feet. But, bro, it was like I wanted to do the unexpected. Like, he kind of expected me to go in there and move around Tom and Jerry all week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right.

[Unnamed Guest]

For me, it was like, I want to do what he think that I'm not gonna do. So I went in there, I stood in the pocket, I put on a perfect display of boxing. And also, a lot of people, yeah, they doubt it, but, like, it feels regular for me. Like, it's nothing new. It's not different because I already knew what I was built with. You can't see me work before you know who I am.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

It was. It wasn't nothing new for me. Like, it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was very much regular. When it. When it comes to. When it comes to different fighters, obviously, fighting someone, fighting a pressure fighter found fighting a fighter that's a counter puncher. How much goes into game planning for that individual fighter and how. I don't want to say the right way. Knowing that he gonna apply pressure the whole time. Most of the time, that's the way he fights. He fights everybody same way. What went into your game plan where your coach is saying they want to use your feet, but you chose. You know what? Forget what y' all talking about. I'm gonna sit in the pocket, and it's not gonna be a banging match. I'm gonna just. I'm gonna make sure my. My defense is my offense. And obviously, statistically, the punch you hit 9096 jab, 52% of punches landed. You had pop. I mean, just everything effing worked. And at what point did you realize he was frustrated because his game plan wasn't working, even though he tried to adjust?

[Unnamed Guest]

And I knew he was frustrated in, like, the sixth round.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

When I seen him kind of start thinking and he kind of, like, settled down a little bit. He wasn't, like, as aggressive as he was first half of the fight. So I kind of, like, I had a good game plan. My coaches, they had a great game plan, but for me, my brain just working a different way. I know I'm the one that's in there fighting, so kind of be thinking on the spot. But he was a tough fighter. He kind of pushed me. I've been telling everybody the whole week, I said, this guy's going to bring out the best of me. This. Y' all think that I can't sit in the pocket. Y' all think that I can't fight. So this is a guy that I'm gonna show all of these different tools and things. And we came in and we did what we had to do.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Is that the first time that you've kind of gone away from what the game plan was? Kind of probably what you practice in training camp? Because, like, you said it was going to be Tom and Jerry. You're going to, you know, outbox him. Use your speed. Use. Use all your movement. And you said, you know what? Nah, I'm going to sit here. Because that was a knock on you, Shakur. Man, he ain't fighting nobody. I mean, he. Not only does he not fight anybody, he ducking. He ain't sitting in the pocket. He ain't throwing no leather. He running around, got everybody chasing him. He picking him off like that. You said, to hell with that. Let me show you what I can do.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, yeah. You know, like I said, I've been through that. I've been through that, but that wasn't my first time going with my instincts. I think my instincts kind of take over a lot come fight night. So I kind of watched this dude over and over and over. I seen a lot of weaknesses. I also knew that me chilling on the ropes wasn't as bad as what everybody made it seem to be like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, especially the damn commentators.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, yeah. But in the. In the sport, you're not supposed to do that. Like, you're not supposed to be standing on the ropes. It's a bad thing to do. But somebody like me, I kind of open guys up like, they feel More comfortable to open up when they get me to the ropes. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Basically, to me, every time you sat on the ropes, you go into Philly shell, and then all you doing is you're baiting him into throwing punches. And, you know, if he throws six, I can roll in block five and counter in between.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it worked every single time where at some point, Zepeda. Okay, you have to make adjustments.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make adjustments because he's sitting on the rope for. For a reason and baiting you to throw. And as soon as he throw, you roll one way, roll the other, slip. Slip a jab in.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, but. But also, if you watch the second half of the fight, my adjustment was to get off the ropes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And stay in the middle of. Stay in the center of the ring.

[Unnamed Guest]

I kind of took control of the fight. Yeah. In the ring, because I knew I don't know what these judges are scoring. So I know he kind of piggy. I know I'm ahead, but I still want to make sure I leave my mark and make sure I don't leave no room for the judges to rob me. So I kind of made that adjustment in the second half of the fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, Shakur, you started off at the featherweight. Now you're lightweight. And you know you're in that lightweight division of 135. You look at the greats that's been in that division. Roberto Duran, Sweet Pete Whittaker Chavez, Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, the ghetto kid. Where are you now? Are you like, I'm gonna stay here for a minute, or are you gonna go to super lightweight at 140?

[Unnamed Guest]

Nah, I'm a natural lightweight. A lot of guys don't even realize I walk around close to my fight weight. Like how they talk about guys like Floyd.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. Yes, yes.

[Unnamed Guest]

He walked around close to his fight weight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So three pounds, four pounds either way.

[Unnamed Guest]

I don't. I don't see myself getting no bigger. To fight at 140 pounds, them guys is a lot bigger than me. So if I do it, it'd just be okay. I done did everything at 135 pounds. I conquered the division, and now it's time to move up. So I'm comfortable here. I want to be one of the best lightweights of all time, Man. My last fight was the beginning of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, most definitely. And speaking of.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I'm gonna say, speaking of what you want to be a comp. I mean, be known for. And that last fight being an indication that you're well on your way. But what's next. Who's next? If you had three fights lined up in no particular order, where you can continue to feel that dream and legacy of being one of the best lightweights at 135 ever, who are the next? Who are the next three that you would like to fight? And I'm not saying call anybody out. I'm just saying in general that, you know, that will continue to help build that legacy you're trying to build.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Call the ass out, Shakur.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, don't do it. Don't do it.

[Unnamed Guest]

I take Tank Lamont. Lightweight, lightweight. I like Andy Cruz. I like Andy Cruz. I'm a competitor, so I like the best fights and the best, most competitive fights. So I think them guys is more so the three most competitive guys.

[Shakur Stevenson]

For me, I think Tank is the money fight. I think that's the, you know, not only will that, that help cement your legacy at the lightweight division, I think that's the fight Shakur that's gonna pay you the most money for sure.

[Unnamed Guest]

He's the guy that everybody been talking about for a long time, so I can't wait.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He has knockout power. It's going to be his power versus your skill.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know what's crazy about that?

[Shakur Stevenson]

What?

[Unnamed Guest]

This is no cap. No Cap. You know, a lot of guys, they like, oh, he did that against the payday, because the payday is not a big puncher. I would rather fight a power puncher any day and fight that kind of value.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Tell us why.

[Unnamed Guest]

Because after the fight, my body was done. Like, I done been in there with power punchers to where it's like, you know, you gotta think and get out the way and don't let them land that big shot. But when you fighting a value puncher, he punching on your arms, your body, it's just very much like a fight, a big ass fight to where it's like, after the fight, you need massages, music. It's a big fight. So I would rather fight them guys any day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, it's so funny. I like the three names that you did call out about fighting. I think Tank is the money fight, but the fight that would interest me the most based on skill set, styles, make fights. The one I think would be the best chess match from round to round. And both of you would be Brother Roach. Brother Roach. I think, to me, for those of us that are not casual boxing fans and actually enjoy the sweet science, I would love to watch that. A fight which you and Roach develop round by round and just, just, just a thinking game. And the chess match that it would be based on y' all skill sets.

[Unnamed Guest]

But I would love that fight, too. I think that's the. One of the fights to make. I think that Lamont is very underrated. I'm glad about his skill set because a lot of people don't realize how good he really is. And, you know, I appreciate Lamont, too. He's one of the guys who came and helped me in one of my biggest fights of my career. When I fought Oscar Valdez, I made Lamont Roach my main sparring partner, and he kind of got me ready for that fight. So, you know, I'm real cool with him. I would love to fight him, though. I would love to fight him.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You know, a lot of people think that Lamont actually beat Tank in that fight. What do you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do.

[Unnamed Guest]

I think Lamont won. I think Lamont won 7, 5, 8, 4. Even without the.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Without the knockdown?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, without the knockdown. That should have been called Shakur.

[Shakur Stevenson]

When you look when. When you look and you look, look, you're in that division of 135. And as I mentioned, there've been some great 130 fighters. Roberto Duran, Sweet P. Whitaker, they like in Henry Armstrong, and there have been some great. So when do. Did you study any of those. Chavez Senior, do you study any of those guys? Do you, like, do you understand, like, when you say, I want to be one of the all time greats? And those guys had. Those guys had 90, 100 fights. You're probably not going to get to a hundred fights. You're probably hoping to get to like 40. But do you understand that when you say, I want to be an all time great in this division? Some of the all time greats that have been in that division.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, it's very hard. It's a very hard thing to do. You gotta pay homage to the great Roberto Duran or the great Pinell, Sweet.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Pea, Whitaker, Sweet Pea, even Shabaz, even.

[Unnamed Guest]

Floyd when he, when he had his 135 run. It was a hell of a 135 run. So I paid.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Floyd was foreboarding people, though, at that weight. People don't realize Floyd had knockout power at the lighter weight at 135, 140. Go look at him against Gotti. Go look at him. And some of those guys. He was, boy.

[Unnamed Guest]

I just feel like, man, I'm a competitor, bro. So it's like, I appreciate them guys. I pay homage to them guys. But I'm not going away anytime soon. So in that weight class, I'm gonna be here And. And people gotta come through me. So now you got all these young fighters, all these new fighters that's coming around. I'm the man in the division, bro. And like, you not taking nothing from me, bro. I've been here for too long. I've been doing this since five years old, bro. I'm going to be the man, and I'm coming to get my spot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it. Hey, not as good as you've gotten from. From a skill. From a skill set standpoint, obviously, being able to fight in the pocket, being able to fight mid range, obviously being at distance, that's. That's pretty easy for you to be able to hit somebody at will. How do you continue to improve on your skill set? And are there any boxers that you watch right now that you enjoy and kind of steal stuff from them and add it to your game, or are you too far into the game to do well?

[Unnamed Guest]

No, you was never too far in the game to evolve and learn, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, okay, okay.

[Unnamed Guest]

Always got to be able to learn. But, like, what you just said is how you kind of get better. You got guys out here that's also evolving the game and getting better, like guys like Usyk and B Ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm sitting back and I'm watching these guys and trying to steal the little that they doing. So I think that's how you get better. You just got to keep watching and learning from.

[Shakur Stevenson]

People.

[Unnamed Guest]

Also keep watching yourself. I think studying yourself is one of the underrated things when it comes to the sport of boxing. I think that's what got my. The highest level, studying where I went wrong. Going back to watch my sparring and watch my fight. When I watched my fight, I seen 100 things that I did wrong, even though the public felt like I did good. But for me, like, I saw 100 different things that I can't wait to get back in the gym and work on. So that's my main goal, and I'm going to keep evolving.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Shakur, do you think that as you start to get a little older, you start to get a little more old man weight, you train a little harder and you say, I walk around it, you know, probably 138. And then you go to one, you go to the 140s, because do you feel you might have to move up in weight to get that bigger payday? I know Turkey Alishik and Dana White is doing a great job. They're trying to, you know, hey, hey, we want the big fights. We don't want nobody ducking nobody you got a belt, he got a belt. Get in there and you take his belt or he take your belt. Do you feel you might have to move up once you fight a Tank or you fight a Lamont? Do you feel you might have to move up to get these even bigger paydays?

[Unnamed Guest]

I will move up to certain guys. Like, I'm not fighting guys that's just super bigger than me. But if it's a guy like Tiafimo who's closer to the 140 weight class in the size range, I will fight these guys. I don't mind fighting the guys at 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

It's just.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm just not getting the ring with people that's way bigger than me, where it's like a donut.

[Shakur Stevenson]

They might weigh 140 at a time away, but they won 55, 160 at the night of the fight. Huh.

[Unnamed Guest]

A lot of these guys, that's exactly what they do. They want to be 165 come fight night. And you. And I'm a natural.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Right?

[Unnamed Guest]

Like that just don't be making sense.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, it doesn't. And when you look at it like you said about Floyd, I believe. And a lot of not to take. And Floyd had a supreme skill level. But Floyd fought at 147 for the large part of his career. Then he ended up going up to 154 to take Oscars belt. But Floyd walked around at 150, 151, so it wasn't nothing for him to like run a couple of miles in two weeks. And Floyd's at 147. He wasn't a big man. He wasn't 165, 170. Trying to drop down to 147. Taxing himself because he was such a smaller man. He lost nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

You know what I respect about him though? When he fought them guys, he didn't put no rehydration clauses on them. He kind of allowed guys to feel comfortable enough to fight him at whatever weight class. Like, if you watch Canelo vs Floyd, Canelo was way bigger than Floyd.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

But at the end of the day, skills do pay the bill. So I respect Floyd for a lot of that he did. It was for the boxing, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The funny thing about it, especially when you talk about the rehydration clause, and Floyd understood that. Okay, I'm not gonna put one in for Canelo, but I understand I'm gonna be able to outbox him, allow him, you know, rehydrate. Yeah. Put that water weight Back on because you're gonna be that much slower. Which is why he was able to counter and hit Canelo at will. Obviously, people like to say, oh, he wasn't as polished. He isn't the same Canelo he is now. Listen, if they were to fight later on, like, okay, no disrespect, fight now. It would be the same thing. Skill is skill.

[Unnamed Guest]

Right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

But Floyd fight. But no, he's so much bigger. He fighting at 168.

[Unnamed Guest]

He might be too big right now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, but see, here's the thing, Ocho. If he fight at 168, he taking his ass in the ring at 185, 190.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. No, I'm just saying from a skill standpoint.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coming behind it and the fact that. The fact that I just mentioned Canelo, I want to know what you think about our brother Bud Crawford and Canelo. That fight happened in September. What you think about that?

[Unnamed Guest]

Bud a bad motherfucker, man. I think it's going to be hard for anybody to beat Bud Crawford when Bud Crawford is focused on his job. I think he one of the greatest fighters that I have ever witnessed in my life. And I. I didn't seen him in the gym. I done seen them come fight night. This dude is just different. He's just. He's not a normal, normal boxer.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He not but a dog for real. But. But got. Got a couple of screws loose.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, for sure. I done seen his screws definitely get loose.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Buddy. Hey, Ocho, you see the interview, man? Buddy, I said, hey, hey. I said, man, look here, man, I best rather mess your shoulders up. People gonna be mad at me, talking about I messed the Canelo Bud Crawford fight up, man. Leave me alone.

[Unnamed Guest]

A nice little move, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I don't know. Yeah. Hey, hey, Shakur, I had it. Cause he think he teach me how to. And I rushed him, and so I got him because, you know, hey, I can't let that man have no distance. Have me lumped up like Tommy Hearns had Barton.

[Unnamed Guest]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I rushed to be. Closed the deals just don't show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, man, that's. That's funny. That's funny.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So what. So what's next? What's next for you, Shakur? What. What. What's next? You gonna take, you know, a couple of. You got another fight before the end of the year out?

[Unnamed Guest]

Nah, I'm gonna take some time off, you know, with that fight. A lot of people don't know this, but I wanted that fight to be under The Blood and Canelo undercard, because, okay, I hurt my hands.

[Shakur Stevenson]

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[Unnamed Guest]

My last fight before that, and they kind of forced the fight on me, and I just accepted whatever they forced at that time. But I just want to take a break for the rest of the year and come back fresh early next year, allow my hands to recover and rest up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Let me ask you this. Give me your top five boxers of all time. It doesn't matter weight class. I mean, if you want to. If you want to be spec. Specific to class. Lightweight, super lightweight. Welter, you know, middle. Super middle. Whatever you want. Junior middleweight. You know, well, you know, whatever. Give me your top five boxers.

[Unnamed Guest]

Number one, me.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay.

[Unnamed Guest]

Number two, Floyd.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay.

[Unnamed Guest]

Number three, Cornell.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay.

[Unnamed Guest]

Bp Four, Andre Ward.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay.

[Unnamed Guest]

Number five, Bud Crawford.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I like the first three. You like defensive fighters, huh?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's the. That's the goal. You know, you gotta.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You gotta last hit, not get hit.

[Unnamed Guest]

You gotta last in this sport. You know, guys going to the hospital and they got brain damage after the fight, and they talking years to come, so. I like the guys that's not talking funny. I like the guys that can speak properly to you. You guys.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Talk to you guys regular, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. Speaking, Speaking. I'm glad Andre Ward is in your top five. Right. You know, I've been trying. I've been trying to fight Dre for a little minute, you know, you think you can make that happen or speed up to expedite the process of us getting in the ring?

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah, I could definitely make that happen, but I don't know if you want to do that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do that's.

[Unnamed Guest]

What you want to do, man. I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, Shakur, you my dog, right? I didn't been in the gym, too. That's why I'm trying. I know. Hey, listen, I know what you can do, and I've been watching you for a very long time. And honestly, no disrespect, I love Andre, but I beat his ass, man.

[Unnamed Guest]

Come on, you know that's Andre Ward, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know. I know who it is.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I know that man beat you right now. Ocho, he ain't been in the gym. He probably ain't been in the gym in years. He tear your ass up right now.

[Unnamed Guest]

I just farted like last, what, like a couple months ago, I just farted.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let him know I'm ready, man. Whatever you want to do. Hey, we can go. We can go four rounds, six rounds. I mean, whatever you want to do. I make it light on himself because I'm in shape.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Watch up your hope. Hope you using 16 ounce gloves.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can use 20s. It don't matter.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but you need some pillows. Cause he gonna lump your ass up with them 10 ounce gloves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I got D like. Shakur, you tripping, man. I'm shoulder rolling, everything.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, hey, Shakur. Hey, get the. Hey, get them training gloves. Get them winning training gloves. 16, 20 ounces. Cause anything 10 ounces, man. Let me tear your ass up. Yeah, with some Everlast or some red gloves. Grant. Oh, man, you. You done.

[Unnamed Guest]

He punch a lot harder than you think, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, I know, I know. I already know. I, I didn't. Listen, I didn't seen you spar before. We had to fight. I forgot who it was. I went to one of the sparring sessions. Oh, I know. I. You know, I didn't know. I didn't been. I didn't been around. Look at this one here, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Don't worry about it. Hey, O, you keep talking, then me and you might have to do this, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I don't want to have my partner like this. But you know what I'm saying, I might have to do something bad to it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, if you don't send me my awards, I'm have to put his hand and I, I, I, I don't want to hurt you. I don't want to hurt vers you up.

[Unnamed Guest]

I ain't gonna lie. I got Chad versus you, man. Hey, I got Chad versus you, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I told oo. I told OO he Don't give me my. He don't Send me my 5200.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought I only owe you 50. I thought only 5200 now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, you owe me 5900.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'mma see. I'm gonna send your money when you send me my awards.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, nah, nah. But I tell you what, I'mma beat it at you. I'mma beat it at you. You won't give me my money, I'mma do you like. I would do you like Stewie did. Brian, where's my money?

[Unnamed Guest]

Where it's from? I seen those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's them?

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's the club Shay Shay Everlast.

[Unnamed Guest]

Them, the gloves bud wearing?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, that's exactly exact. Yes. Bud wear Everlast for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you don't have buds.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What type of glove you wear, Shakur?

[Unnamed Guest]

I wear rifle.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You wear who?

[Unnamed Guest]

Rifle.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Rifle, yeah.

[Unnamed Guest]

Rifle.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I ain't never heard of them. Does anybody. Does anybody wear Reyes anymore?

[Unnamed Guest]

I just seen somebody in Reyes. I think it was Pacquiao. Maybe Pacquiao may award him his last fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. Cause I think, you know, I think, you know, obviously Everlast Grant winning Reyes. And you mentioned rifle. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of those gloves before. But, Ocho, these 8 ounces, these right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here, cut, it don't matter. Listen, they cut for an object that's not moving. It's different when there's an object in front of you that's moving. Moving facts. Oh, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. You have Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, King.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Stick that jab out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'mma do. I'mma do you just how I'm going. Do you how Tommy Hearn did Martin?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I tell you what, Ocho. I box you for the gloves. If you beat me, you get my gloves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want them gloves. I just want my awards.

[Shakur Stevenson]

So you got. Hey, you gotta snap that thing out there like a lack. See, some people use that jab as a finder. They ain't trying to do no damage. They just trying to see. Okay, how far then I can throw this, right? But see, I'm trying to snap that thing. Bam. Like Lennox Lewis. No, Lennox Lewis had a nice jab. Larry Holmes had a tremendous jab. What?

[Unnamed Guest]

I want to see your jab, though. Let me see your jab.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Throwing that jab, huh?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Quick with that thing. I'm quit with that thing, Shakur.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, I'm finna parry that and come right back with something, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, I go, hey, I don't saw you. I don't saw you. Ocho, your reflexes ain't as fast as you think now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, they stay fast. See, this is the funny thing. If everybody want to go back to when I fought my young bull, Brian Maxwell in the ring, that's different. Now, you gotta understand, I didn't been in the ring now five years after that. So I look. I look nothing like that now.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But here's the thing. Hey, Shakur. You could take Kuta. Sparring is different than actually fighting. And you got to fight, it's just like track and field. You can practice all you want to, but you gotta get races under your belt. You gotta get in ring, you gotta get rounds and ting. Not all that speed bag and all that mitts and stuff. Nah, you ain't did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know one thing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got two people on my hit list.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, oh. James Harrison.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Harrison. I'mma beat his ass. Andre Warfin to get his work. And anybody else that won't smoke after that. Matter of fact, Shakur, you could get it, too.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yo.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Damn, Shakur.

[Unnamed Guest]

Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I already told you this. Last time I saw you, don't do it to yourself, bro.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Do it to him.

[Unnamed Guest]

Don't do it to yourself.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Get my 5,900 out of it.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm telling you this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, whenever you. Hey, whenever you want to get back in the gym, you let me know again, huh?

[Unnamed Guest]

How many rounds you gonna give me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't go past eight. I can give you. I give you a strong eight. Four minutes, four minute around 30 second rest.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm betting you ain't making it eight rounds.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I bet he ain't either. I'm betting eight four minute rounds with 30 second rest. You ain't got that kind of cardio, bro. Not in no 40, not in no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

46, 47 training the past four years. How you gonna tell what I'm doing?

[Unnamed Guest]

You ain't going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To. I'm talking about infiliate with boots. That's what we had to do. That's what Bowie had me doing.

[Unnamed Guest]

Baseball. Eight four minute rounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I only got four in. I only did four, thankfully.

[Unnamed Guest]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. This ain't no way you gonna ain't with me. I'm telling you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Get it. Get my $5900 out of his ass too, Shakur, while you at it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think shit's sweet, huh?

[Unnamed Guest]

I know you can't go eight with me, bro. That different, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, and don't hit him. Don't hit him. In it. Don't hit him in his face, because I need his eyes. I need to be able to read the prompter, but just tear his body up.

[Unnamed Guest]

I'm gonna tell you, I'm not gonna hit him in the face. I'm going straight to his body.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, that what I do. Make him pee. Make him pee on himself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna be. I'm ready. I'm ready for all that, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey.

[Unnamed Guest]

Okay, you go to the sides. I'm going right to the side.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm telling you, that's what I want. That's what I like to see. That's what I like to see, Shakur. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, you're gonna have all the pins on. On his trunks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Hey, well, hey, but all jokes aside, man, you put on an effing boxing clinic, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, it was. That was amazing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations on that, man. And shutting up all these doubters and all of the haters now, they're gonna find something else to come up with. They're gonna find something else to come up with, and you're gonna probably gonna answer those questions, too, man. I just want to tell you congratulations on one hell of a goddamn fight in career so far.

[Unnamed Guest]

I appreciate y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Unnamed Guest]

I appreciate y', all, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Definitely, man. Shakur, thanks for your time, man. Congratulations. Enjoy the rest of the year off. Hey, we'll see you. We'll see you earlier, I guess, early in 20, 26. And come back, enjoying it when you got some time, bro. Appreciate you.

[Unnamed Guest]

I appreciate you, too.

[Shakur Stevenson]

All right, bro. Have a good one. Ocho, Leave people alone, man. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no. Hey, you gotta make sure people on their P's and Q's, you just never know. You never know. So sometimes this is what you gotta do. Now, we have guests on the show, right?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta check the guest temperature. Sometimes you gotta check the guest temperature to see where they. You know, see where they at. So if you look in Shakur's eyes, you can see he was a little scared. He was a little nervous. Cause he know. He know. He didn't. We don't. Hey, now, you know, I trained with Shakur for about a week. No. So we. We've been together in the ring, and he. He got an opportunity to see, well, God damn. What that boy. Feet. Nice. And then, you know, my defense was like, that we were shadow boxing. I was like, you know, so he got a good understanding. But, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

The thing is, people don't. Like I said, with people that's in their Profession that's really good at it. You got to see them in their profession. You got to see them in their habitat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to see it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Then you'll get appreciation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to see it up close. I want him and Bud. I had to do something with espn, right? And they were training at the USC gym in Vegas. That goddamn Bud, man. Let me take my glass off. Shakur was doing. Doing maybe six rounds with somebody he was getting ready for. It was a chess match. It was a chess match, and you could just see the. The artwork of the sweet science unfold right before you. If you understand what you watching, it's not just throwing punches, you know? No, it was beautiful. It was beautiful to watch, man. It just. And you don't have an appreciation for it until you see it up close. It's one thing to watch boxing on tv. Yeah. It's one thing to watch it when you go to a fight. Ah, but to see it when they're in training and to see the formula in which they worked on unfold in real time in the ring.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you could actually see him, Ocho, without seeing him. You can see him thinking, oh, yeah, that's what's the major part. You actually see a guy thinking. And he know, well, I threw this. The only thing he can come back with is that bam, I catch it. Oh, he will come here. Oh, there I was like, damn, bro, you. Hey, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what's so funny, too, is when it comes to boxing or boxers that are thinkers and they set traps.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Round one, they'll set a trap in round two. And won't. And wait. And won't try to execute what they was trapping until round seven and eight. Because they know when I do this, okay, I know we gonna throw that. Oh, when this come, if I faint, I know he gonna do. Well. It's just a chess match. That's why I said, I think to me, the most exciting fight for those that are not just casual boxers that love and enjoy the street science would be Lamont Roach and Shakur Stevenson.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because in which they fight. Thought that would be beautiful, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I was watching a old thing of Floyd and Corrales and how he was. Floyd kept. You know, he's with the jab. He thought he faded with the jab and caught it with a check hook.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Goddamn Diego, man. Diego was nice, man. Rest in peace.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Unnamed Soccer Expert]

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We need to embrace this community.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Shakur Stevenson]

This is an iHeart podcast.