Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Joe Burrow wanting Hendrickson to get paid & Terry McLaurin contract talks!

Summary

Club Shay Shay Episode Summary: "Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Joe Burrow wanting Hendrickson to get paid & Terry McLaurin contract talks!"

Release Date: June 11, 2025

In this episode of "Club Shay Shay," hosts Shannon Sharpe and Tom Yamas engage in a detailed and passionate discussion surrounding key NFL contract negotiations and team dynamics. The primary focus is on Joe Burrow's advocacy for Trey Hendrickson's compensation and the ongoing contract talks with Terry McLaurin. The conversation delves deep into the business side of the NFL, player-management relations, and the broader implications for team performance and fan engagement.

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1. Introduction to the Episode

Shannon Sharpe kicks off the episode by welcoming listeners and expressing gratitude for their support. He introduces his co-host, Liberty City's own Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, Mr. Olympia, Chad "Ocho" Johnson. The hosts emphasize the importance of their audience, urging listeners to subscribe and engage with their content.

• Shannon Sharpe (02:18): "Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap."

2. Joe Burrow's Advocacy for Trey Hendrickson

The core of the discussion revolves around Cincinnati Bengals' quarterback Joe Burrow expressing his desire for the team to fairly compensate star pass rusher Trey Hendrickson. Burrow believes that not paying Hendrickson appropriately is causing significant distractions within the organization.

• Shannon Sharpe (03:00): "Joe Burrow says he wants the team to pay star pass rusher Trey Hendrickson. He says the team not paying Hendrickson is a significant distraction."

Tom Yamas provides insights into the team's perspective, highlighting the business constraints and salary cap considerations that limit the Bengals' ability to meet Hendrickson's salary expectations.

• Tom Yamas (04:34): "Joe also has to understand this is business. This is business. And the Bengals have one way of doing things."

3. Impact on Bengals' Defense and Team Performance

The absence or dissatisfaction of a key defensive player like Hendrickson is discussed in terms of its impact on the Bengals' defensive rankings and overall team performance.

• Shannon Sharpe (05:57): "Without Trey, you'd have been, you'd have been 17th in college. So you had Trey. So he was at the bottom in the NFL."

The hosts analyze how Hendrickson's top-tier performance is crucial for maintaining a strong defense, especially in a divisionCompetitive AFC North.

4. Contract Negotiations and Business Constraints

Shannon and Tom delve into the intricacies of NFL contract negotiations, emphasizing the difference between player valuations and team financial strategies.

• Shannon Sharpe (09:02): "They're like, nah, bro, we can't bump you and pay."

• Tom Yamas (05:28): "But not enough to pay Trey what he wants."

The discussion highlights how teams must balance fair compensation with budgetary limitations, often leading to tough negotiations and compromises.

5. Comparative Analysis with Other NFL Contracts

The conversation broadens to compare Hendrickson's situation with other NFL stars, illustrating how contract negotiations can vary based on a player's performance and market value.

• Shannon Sharpe (16:12): "Miles Garrett had a simple response today about Aaron Rodgers joining the AFC North. I think it's a good opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Damn."

This segment underscores the inconsistent application of contract principles across different teams and players.

6. Rookie Shemar Stewart's Contract Situation

Introducing rookie Shemar Stewart, the hosts discuss Bengals' contractual clauses that could affect his future earnings and protections.

• Shannon Sharpe (18:21): "This is what Mike Florio a pro football focus right this Football talk pft he said the Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Stewart's deal."

They debate the fairness and implications of such clauses, questioning the intent behind diminishing guarantees over contract years.

7. Leadership and Team Dynamics

The hosts touch upon leadership within the Bengals, particularly focusing on how Joe Burrow's stance affects team morale and unity.

• Shannon Sharpe (13:58): "I want Trey to get his money, though, you know, even if it's not with us. I would love to see him back with the Bengals, but I would also love to see him get what he deserves somewhere else."

This highlights the delicate balance between player advocacy and team cohesion.

8. Impact on Team Performance and Fan Perception

Shannon and Tom explore how contract disputes and player dissatisfaction can ripple out to affect on-field performance and fan engagement.

• Shannon Sharpe (17:00): "I just mean he led, I mean, I mean he led the entire league in sacks. He did that."

They emphasize that while individual player satisfaction is crucial, it directly influences the team's success and the fans' experience.

9. Possible Future Scenarios

Speculating on potential outcomes, the hosts discuss possibilities such as trades or management changes if the Bengals fail to reach an agreement with Hendrickson.

• Shannon Sharpe (08:01): "We can start a little better this season."

This segment underscores the high stakes involved in contract negotiations and their long-term effects on team strategy.

10. Broader Implications for Player Contracts

The conversation extends to general strategies players might employ in future contractual negotiations and the evolving nature of player-management relations in the NFL.

• Shannon Sharpe (25:30): "Now he's outperforming the contract. You don't want to reward him, but if he underperformed, you will punish him."

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe (07:35): "At least Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston."

• Tom Yamas (12:15): "But the thing is, what I don't get from the Bengals, Ocho, if you had this problem last year and you didn't resolve it during the season or after the season, what makes you think the problem is going to go away?"

• Shannon Sharpe (18:21): "This is what Mike Florio a pro football focus right this Football talk pft he said the Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Stewart's deal."

Conclusion

This episode offers a comprehensive look into the complexities of NFL contract negotiations, the tension between player advocacy and team financial strategies, and the broader implications for team dynamics and performance. Shannon Sharpe and Tom Yamas provide valuable insights into the challenges faced by both players and management, shedding light on the intricate balance required to maintain a successful and harmonious team environment.

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This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions, insights, and noteworthy quotes with proper attribution and timestamps. It provides a clear and engaging overview for those who haven't listened to the podcast.

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[Tom Yamas]

Jamar and T having agreed to deals, is Trey not being here or his deal not done. Is that a distraction? Of course. Of course. Last year we had two. This year we have one. So we do have less. You'd love to have none, but you know, that's life in the NFL. We're all supporting Trey and would love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For him to be back. Ocho.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's your take?

[Tom Yamas]

Well, listen, listen. I love Joe. Joe also has to understand this is business. This is business. And the Browns have one way of doing things. They've done things one way. And despite what he may say, despite his concerns about wanting Trey to be paid or him or being a distraction with him not getting paid, this is the way they conduct business. All teams conduct business in the same manner. They're not going to be swayed or forced or bullied into paying the individual based on how we as players, whether we or fans, see fit, they're going to do things their way. They paid. They paid Joe Burrow. They paid Jamar Chase. They paid T. Higgins. I don't know. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't know how much is left in calories. Salary cap space.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But not enough to pay Trey what he want.

[Tom Yamas]

Actually, not enough to pay him what he want. But I'm assuming maybe they're trying to find some middle ground. But from what I've heard, there are no talks going on at all. So obviously, Trey, Trey is standing his ground and he's not in the position, despite being the sack leader last year and the sack leader before that, the year before that, like he was a sack leader. But what was our defense rank? Can someone look at, Can Ash look that up right now? I mean, just really quick, just curious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Without Trey, you'd have been, you'd have been 17th in college. So you had Trey. So you was at the bottom at the NFL.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay, so they look at all that. They look at all. Listen, I want them to get paid. I want him to get paid for, based on what he's done, you know, to, to date. But they look at it completely different than the way we look at it as fans. And obviously me, Listen, I love my Bengals and I love, I would love for Trey to get paid, but it's a tough spot that, that we're in. I'm, I'm not sure what's going to happen. I think at some point, if things don't get worked out, I'm assuming maybe a trade of some sort might happen at the least opportune time, when we least expect it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I, I look at it like this. Ocho, considering he's the best defensive player. And when you look at that defensive line, who else? Most teams have two guys.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you have Micah and then you have another guy, or you look at, let's just say for the sake of market, you look at the Eagles, they have multiple guys. You look at Kansas City, they have Chris, Chris Jones. Chris Jones and have Kaloftas. You know, they have multiple guys. Most teams, although they're not on the same level, but they have. You look at Highsmith and you look at Watt. So. No, most guys have somebody to play off of, right? It's him.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He led the league, in fact, with really no one else beside him, you.

[Tom Yamas]

Know, and brother Sam Hubbard just retired, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Remember, he was hurt most of the year, Ocho.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, yeah, he was hurt. And also, when I think about it, I look at the AFC north, right, from an offensive standpoint, and needing defensive players is bad enough. We're already bad on defense. Let's not make it worse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston.

[Tom Yamas]

I mean, my goodness, like, we. We need Trey in. In the. In the dearest, dearest way possible to. To try to do what we can defensively so we can. We can. We can start a little better this season. You know, I know we always talk about the offense. You know, they always start slow, always out. Out the gate, you know, being 0 and 2 or 1 and 1 or whatever it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta stop somebody, though.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We gotta be able to see their problem is Ocho. Okay, you say, well, the D. I'm saying, but here's the thing. They have one bad, two bad possessions. Their defense can't stop anybody. Now all of a sudden, you 14 points down. Hey, you got a lead. Okay, let's just say for the sake of ar, you have a lead. And we saw this against Baltimore. They have two bad possessions. Now Baltimore has the lead.

[Tom Yamas]

Has the lead. Yeah. So how far away are we from. From having a decent defense? Just curious. From you, from your. Listen, you know, this is. This is biased.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And y' all just cut Pratt. Remember? Y' all released Pratt?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. So wait, hold on. Pratt. Pratt. Pratt was a middle back. Was the mic linebacker. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He led your team in tackles.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, he did. So Logan Wilson plays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They drafted somebody. They drafted somebody in the second round out of South Carolina. I was reading yesterday night.

[Tom Yamas]

They must. He must gonna be plugging.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They seem really high on him.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, he gonna pe going to plug and play then, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And remember, Pratt was like, hey, he wanted a contract extension. He wanted to be, you know, want to bump and pay?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're like, nah, bro, we can't bump you and pay. I was reading. I don't know. You know, maybe somebody just throwing out numbers. I think Trey's supposed to make, what, 15, 16, 17 million. They're trying to get him to 28. I don't think he's looking at listening to anything that doesn't start with a three. Now, I'm not now, honestly, because you see, you see, he's like, hold on. One guy making 55, another guy making 40, another guy making 30. And then y' all want me to come in at 28. And you see Miles Garrett, he knows Michael is about to get something that starts with a four. Y' all want me to start with a two?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just don't see that.

[Tom Yamas]

Let's be fair. If he wants to get what he wants, he's not going to be able to get it because everything you just ran off, we just passed 140, 131 making 55. Then there's no room for you to make. Do you. Do you take a discount? Do you take a discount or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, the question is. Better question. Does he miss the first eight games and then come back the last eight games to make sure he gets a credit this season or does. Cause that's what I would do. Because if you don't come back, they still have your rights. So I would, you know, it depends on how serious he is about his money.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh. Oh, he's serious. He's serious. And this. This is the thing that you can do. When they know you love the game, Monk. When they know you love the game and they know you can't stay away from the game. They always want you to be team first, team that, team this and team oriented and be the. But when it comes time to play, this is what. This is what happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

Let's talk about the Bengals in general. I'm talking about in general. They will use your love for the game against you because the business side of things will sneak upon you and bite you in the ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to think of a guy that. Sean Gilbert might be the only guy that I can remember that missed the whole season. And then he ended up turning around and getting paid. I think he went to Carolina. I think he's with Washington and he ended up going to Carolina. It might be vice versa, but that's what I. I mean, I think the thing is to say what I would do. It's easy to say what. Because you're not in that situation. Me, I ain't missing no time. I understood that that was time I wasn't going to be able to get back. And like you said, oo. I think the thing is they. They know the guys that really everybody don't love the game like we do now.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, no, it's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they. They gonna hard time us. Well, this all we got. Knowing damn well we. We might miss a game, but we ain't missing no half of those season, no entire season. Cause we love it too much.

[Tom Yamas]

Listen, the funny thing about it is I. I love the game, but I, I think during my time I was in fortunate situations, I think where they, they came to me early, twice right into me early, where I didn't have to deal with that type of situation. It just. To me, it's almost. It's almost a slap in the face a little bit. You think about it? Yeah, almost a slap in the face. And we take it personally as players and I know they do when situations like this arise when you understand what your value is, you understand what the market is, and then you have a team that's hesitant in giving you said market value. Listen, one thing about it, I don't care how many. I don't care how many players you got paid. There's always a way to make it happen depending on who the player is. You do understand that, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But the thing is, what I don't get from the Bengals, Ocho, if you had this problem last year and you didn't resolve it during the season or after the season, what makes you think the problem is going to go away? It's like if you have a disease and don't talk about it just because you don't talk about it, you better go get it, you better treat it. Yeah, because talking about it, but because not talking about a problem, like, it's like two people arguing, Ocho, and you go to bed, that issue is not gonna be resolved in the morning because you didn't talk about it that night. As a matter of fact, you're gonna give people an opportunity to build up. They like this mofo playing with me. They couldn't address me. They know. So you led over there steaming. She laying over there steaming. You know, you get out of bed in the morning, you stepping on lips. Cause her lip poked out to the floor. His lips poked out to the floor. So I don't understand how the Bengals thought this situation. And he had another 17 and a half sex season and he led the NFL in sacks, and somehow you thought he was going. Well, we got a good chance to go. You had a good chance to go to the super bowl last year or the playoffs last year, and it didn't happen. Guys are not, you know, teams always want you to think. Oh, think big picture. No, the big picture is me and my family. And that's the big picture I'm thinking about. I don't know what picture y' all painting, because, Ocho, what they tell you, Ocho, when they release players, you hear? And I think we're gonna talk about this a little later. Jahir. Yeah. And Gudukif said what he's saying. They're always thinking about what is in the best interest of the team. Okay. What is the best interest of the business? Okay. Players are businesses.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is in the best interest of Trey Hendrickson? Not playing is in the best interest of Trey Henderson, to be in all honest. Now, I'm not telling the guy what he should or what he shouldn't do, but this is what we do know he take his ass out there on that field and he get anything that happens, Lord forbid it does not.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't getting no payday. You know that. I know that.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir. Yeah, listen, I think it's tough. We're in a tough spot. The Bengals organization is in a tough spot. Trey Hendrickson is in a tough spot. Joe Burrow saying that it's a distraction to those that are in the organization, those that are. That are on the team, those that are at minicamp right now. I think for the fans, it's a distraction, and it's just like overwhelming. And they're like, God damn, here we go again. But again, fans, as players, you have to be able to separate the personal side of being a football player. In the business side. I think if you compare, you can compartmentalize and be able to separate the two and understand that it is business first. It's not personal. It's nothing against you as a player, but this is the way they conduct themselves, not just with the Bengals, but with every team in general. I think you'll be all right. I want Trey to get his money, though, you know, even if it's not with us. I would love to see him back with the Bengals, but I would also love to see him get what he deserves somewhere else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I think the thing is oo what happens is, is that Joe would like to talk about what a great deal of practice they had.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the media is asking him about Trey's contract. They're asking him about the rookies contract, who we're going to talk about in just a second. So he's like, bro, I'm trying to say, hey, T and I had a great comment, had a great work today. We got some great work to done today. We got better today. But you're asking me about a player that's not here. I don't know what you want me to say. Right. Joe is being the. The leader that he is. Yeah. We love to have Trey, and I think he's done enough to. He's earned, not deserve. He's earned a raise and pay. Yeah. Because guess what? Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, Instead of having 17 and a half sacks, he had five and a half sacks. Do you think they would keep him on the contract that he has now? Absolutely not. I answer it for you. No, they wouldn't. So now he outperforms the contract. You don't want to reward him, but if he underperformed, you will punish him.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, that's, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's. And that's the way it is. And hopefully fans like see that. And I understand, look, I understand you running a business, but guys normally play better. Guys, after being in, you know, a business, your workers perform better when they're compensated.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, and you're happy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Tom Yamas]

Which is, which is one of the reasons why do you think they always go ahead and pay the quarterback? Yes, they always pay the quarterback. You get your quarterback out the way. So he had nothing to worry about. He's in the right state of mind and he can focus on the job at hand, no distractions. And again, not being able to get your money after putting in all the work, you know, the sacrifice, the sweat, the injuries.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just mean he led, I mean there, I mean he led the entire league in sacks. He did that. I mean he had 17 and a half. He was, I mean he was in the running for defensive player of the year. And he's probably thinking to himself, what the hell do I have to do to get rewarded for my hard work?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, that's crazy. It's unfortunate. And listen, this is, this happens all the time. For sure. Well, it happens all the time. It happens. It's his turn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His turn. Bengals rookie Shemar Stewart is still waiting to take his first practice rep in the NFL. He also has some words for the Bengals today in comparing his situation with Trey's. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[Tom Yamas]

Like some people say, we all agree Trey will be right, right? But technically still 1% wrong for being under contract.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And in my case, I'm 100% right.

[Tom Yamas]

So it should be a no brainer. And in Trey's case, I think it should be a no brainer too. I mean, he let 17 and a half sacks for two years back to back. If I was the GM or I was the owner, take all my money. But I guess they don't operate like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But no, they do not.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, listen, hey, uncle. It's easy to say take all my money when you not the GM and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'S somebody else's money. Oh yes, man, get all out your money. Don't bother buying.

[Tom Yamas]

It's easy to say that. But listen, you learn quick. You learn, you learn quick and you learn fast. The rookie will understand that this is a business and it's running a little different. It's running a little different now. He's had 17 and a half sacks back to back seasons, right? And then they're, they're hesitate, they're hesitant on paying them. So in situations like this, this will tell you how they really feel about you. Depending on who the player is. Depending on who the player is and how much they value you and what you bring to the table. Oh, man, they're not even playing when it's time to get paid. I don't care who. I don't care who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what Mike Florio a pro football focus right this Football talk pft he said the Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Stewart's deal. The clause would turn a default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees and prior Bingo's contract. A void wiped out only the guarantees for the year in which the default occurred. Stewart refuses to be the guinea pig for the new term and the Bengals refuse to blink. As a result, Stewart will be less prepared for training camp than he would have been. So in other words, a lot of times they put a clause in there, Ocho. It says if you do something wrong, the money you were supposed to get in that year is wiped away. Now they put the new clause in there, say if you do something wrong, any guarantee that you supposed to get in. 25, 26, 27, 28, that's gone too. Oh, no. Hell no.

[Tom Yamas]

I understand. To me, honestly, I don't like the verbiage, but again, I would have it on a year to year basis. If this year, if you mess up and if it's conduct, judgment, team or something that is that serious, where we need to recoup some of that money back that's guaranteed, I see fit to do so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yes, messing up one divorce, all the remaining guarantees.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, absolutely not. Hell no. Not over what. But man, don't make. Don't make me curse. Don't make me curse because I just got saved the other day. Don't do that. Oh, no, don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do that.

[Tom Yamas]

I know they're trying to set a precedent. I'm not sure what precedent that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not with me you're not.

[Tom Yamas]

Listen, outside of don't get in any trouble, period. I don't know if he has a past, if he has a past history of doing things wrong. I don't know for them to actually want to put that clause in his contract all of a sudden, out the blue set a precedent with this individual. I'm not sure what his badge looks like. That's the thing I could think of and why they would want to do something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And no, but it seems to be like this is something that they're trying to do moving forward to everybody. Yes. Because the clause would deter the default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees and prior Bengals contracts. A void wiped out, only guaranteed for which the year the default occurred. So if he did something in 25. Okay, we wipe out the guarantees in 25, 26, 27, 28 is protected. Now they're saying if you default in 25, 26, 27,28, get wiped away. Oh, hell no, Ocho. That's the whole purpose of guarantees, right? Is to be able to get the guarantee.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes. Yeah. I have a question. Are there any other NFL teams that practice the same clause in their contracts or we wouldn't know that, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, there's some. You have a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument, right? You in the NFL, you're a wide receiver.

[Tom Yamas]

Or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like coaches, like. Like a college. Like an NFL coach. I give you cut, you say I got three years left on my deal at $12 million a year.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get a new job, whatever. So now it offsets. So what they have is offset language. So if I get a job from another team, however much that team plays, that I have to pay the remaining. So if I get a deal for 9 million over there, I only have to pay 3 million over here, where I left got left at. You know what I'm saying?

[Tom Yamas]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some people write in, there is no offset language. Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo Fisher got released. He gives all 80 of that remaining money.

[Tom Yamas]

It was 82, to be exact. Okay, I remember that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So sometimes they try to put offset language where you can't double dip. Players can't double dip. So if you get released and you go sign with another team, I ain't got nothing to do with you. I want the money that you owe me, and I'm gonna get the money they gonna give me, right? Don't you worry about what I got. You just go make sure. Hey, just go ahead and make sure you keep the checks coming. I won't be. Hey, you got. Hey, you got the wide number. Go and put it in there. Direct deposit. So that's. And some teams do. Some teams will have offset language. If you get another job, even in tv, you get released by one network, you go somewhere else, they just pay the difference. So you got X, Y, whatever the case may be. So if you get. If you get, say, 5 million over here, you only get two and a half over there, you're gonna get two and a half.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, this. Hey, man, this Is this is. As much as people love the beautiful game, they. They. I don't think they understand the nasty business side of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't.

[Tom Yamas]

Nasty business side of it. It can get ugly. It can get very ugly in the fact there's a reason why, when it comes to contracts and negotiations or situations like this, there's a reason why the agents go in there, not the players. Because if the players go in those rooms and you hear how owners really feel about you and what they really want to do and the language they want to put in the fight, the five print language that they want to put in contracts to protect themselves from having to pay you long term if you mess up, they. Oh, listen, it was, it was some stuff like, I don't want to bring up the past, but it was some stuff in, In T's contract and in Chase's contract that was, that wasn't suitable. It wasn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

You know, it wasn't. Right. So if they, if they, if they were doing it to T and Chase, you know who, who the meat potatoes of that offense outside of Joe, I know they gonna do it to Trey and they definitely gonna do it to the rookie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Tom Yamas]

So. But it's. It's business, man. It's business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

It's never personal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, hey, you know what I'm gonna do? Hey, I'm gonna call Joe Burrow, agent. Hey, bro, y' all got this language in your contract. They do it all the time. Yeah, they do it all the time. Nah, bro, you're not. I'm not gonna be no guinea pig. You're not finna sit no precedent with me. And then everybody that comes after me, they looking at me crazy because I allowed it to happen because I was the highest draft pick of the year that they started this foolishness, and I, I, I agree to it.

[Tom Yamas]

So how, how, how can this go, though? What if he refuses to play? What if he refuses to sign the contract unless they remove that language, what happens?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. They either have to remove the language or he has to say, I'm not playing.

[Tom Yamas]

That. That can get ugly, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hope he did. Hope he got some good nil money. He hadn't spent too much. He hadn't promised his mom or dad or whomever house yet.

[Tom Yamas]

Right? Damn, I don't like that for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll neither.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Aaron Rodgers was the latest veteran quarterback to weigh in on mentoring the next generation. In his case, he was asked about mentoring Will Howard. He responded, will's a good kid. We got to talk a little bit. I thought he did a really, I thought he did really well today. He seems pretty bright going through the progressions really well. I'm going to be with him every single day, every single meeting. Found my seat next to him today in the offensive meeting, whether or not it sticks, right next to Will Howard. So I'm going to help him out as much as I can.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you know what, Ocho, you know what? I ain't going to lie to you. Let me tell you the true story, Ocho. I got middle in college with math. Ain't none of that ish stick. I told you once we got past timetables, me and math really didn't get along. Ocho, Ocho, if I could do this like this here.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or write it down. A little scratch paper.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Final 6 1. Me and Mav with A. You start getting the fractions and pies.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Tom Yamas]

It's only one pie. I know. That's apple pie. That's it, buddy. Pecan pie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then start talking about if A train left at 4:30 in the morning and train B left at 6:00 in the afternoon, at what point would it.

[Tom Yamas]

Hold on, hold on. If Johnny, if Johnny had five apples.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

He gave Amy three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

But Adam bought back six. Man, if you don't. I'm like my face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two trains. One leaves at 4:30am the other leaves at 6:00pm at what time?

[Tom Yamas]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How fast are they going? I don't know what. But I see O. Joe. I don't know why they just could do. Why they could do 12 times 12. Why they could do 60. 49 from 60 is how much they start doing all the other stuff. They go with me.

[Tom Yamas]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be a bath. Me and math, we were not good. And. No, no, math ain't my favorite thing.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, sure. Hey. Yeah, hey, whatever. Hey, that was funny, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but see, when it comes to percentage, okay, you got this much and you will get a percentage, bro. How much is that? How much you want? How much you want, man? You start getting. Hey, let's do a round number, because we start getting $776, and I'm getting. You getting three and a half percent of that. All right. Come on, bro. Hey, I got. I got. I. I got $35 for you. Okay, 35. Do you. Bro, you asking an awful lot, man. I ain't got time to be doing all that. You know, you do this and you. And you add 0.24 or 0.4. No, man, I ain't got all that. I ain't got time for that. So.

[Tom Yamas]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I get what Eric is saying. Mentoring, you know, because everybody processes information differently.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me, I was a visual learner. I need you to see. You put it on the board. Don't. Hey, Shannon, I want you to go do this and do that. Like. No, no, no, no. Draw the issue on the board. And once I. Once I saw this. Okay, I'm good now. I'm good. I'm a. I'm a visual learner. Don't explain nothing to me. Show me. But at the end of the day.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, hey, boy. That was funny, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the end of the day, the beginning of the day or the middle of the day. Oh, Joe. How well does somebody process information? Yeah, how well do they retain information? And then can you spit it out? That's it. Can you spit it out?

[Tom Yamas]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because sometimes some people can read something and have no earthly idea what the hell they read. Some people can skim over it and give you a great synopsis of what it's actually saying.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, everybody processes information different. They do. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Miles Garrett had a simple response today about Aaron Rodgers joining the AFC North. I think it's a good opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Damn.

[Tom Yamas]

That's the type of answer you expect from a deepest end.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Tom Yamas]

That's the type of answer you expect from one of. If not the best defense in the NFL. Listen, he got to deal with Aaron Rodgers twice a year and he letting them know ahead of time. You already know what time it is. I'm not here to say nice about you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. At all, actually. I'm trying to. I'm trying to add you. I'm trying to add you to the resume. You know, I don't know if I've got an opportunity to sack Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, but, hey, you're the next best thing I'll take. I. I might not have an opportunity to get them, but I can get your ass.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, most definitely. But, hey, List. They asked the wrong. They asked the wrong one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Packer CEO and president Mark Murphy has some shade for Jerry Alexander when asked about the recent release. He's been a great player for us, obviously. Elite talent, unfortunately, just injured a lot, unfortunately. That's a big part of the game. We see. We've been used to playing without him. Alexander played 14 games over the last two seasons.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, damn. Hey, play 14 games. Listen, injuries is something you. You can't avoid. But one thing I know about that young bull, when he's healthy, when he's on the field and he's playing man to man in your face, he gonna give you everything he got. And he wanted the best at it. He wanted the best at it. But he doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's been injured. I can only speak on what I've seen when I see him on the field. He gonna talk that trash to you, too, and back it up the best he can. Him and Justin Jefferson matchups, those matchups were classic. He won and he lost some. But either way, I'm tuned in every time. Them two used to line up together, he gonna go somewhere. I don't know where he gonna go. If he goes, they understand. They. They need to understand what they're getting when he is healthy and do whatever they need to do to get him on that field and keep him on there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the toughest part about it, Ocho, because being available is a big part of how good you are, you know, boy, he's a good worker. When I can get him to come to work. That ain't what the damn did.

[Tom Yamas]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I look, he's injured. I think he said he had a meniscus or something. He had a shoulder injury. When you play a skill position, it's hard to go out there and play with something's wrong with you. Yeah, because you got A lower extremity, because that's how. Where am I going? No, Joe, if I can't all of a sudden, I can't be sudden, right? All of a sudden I'm a DB and I can't raise my arm, how do I knock down the pass? How do I intercept the path? Or if I got an injury, my something with my knee, my hips or something, ankles.

[Tom Yamas]

And it takes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because guess what? Only thing people in the stand see and people at home see, man, Jair gave up a touchdown, man. He tell you sorry, he fell off bad because he used to be good. He don't feel out bad. That's what they see. Yeah, they don't see Monday to, you know, getting treatment and all that stuff. You're not able to practice, you potentially have to shoot up, you have to take medication. They don't see any of that. All they see is Alexander on the back of that Packer jersey and whether or not he's making plays or not. Is really that simple.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you or didn't you?

[Tom Yamas]

Damn. That's unfortunate, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I guess they were trying to, like, come to a number that was amenable to both parties, right? Excuse me. And they could just never get there. Maybe he thought it was too low. They thought it was too high, Right. And at the end of the day, we've seen teams ain't a amount of money they won't eat because we've seen them eat Aaron Rodgers contract, Green Bay. We've seen the Broncos eat Russell Wilson's contract. So there is not a denomination, 40, 50, $60 million. They don't care. There's a good chance the Falcons, bro, probably have to eat Cousins summer, Cousins contract.

[Tom Yamas]

So you don't. You don't think. Obviously he's not gonna move, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, because I'm sure they're gonna want whoever. Whoever take him to pay a substantial chunk of that. That contract. And they're like, no, we just wait for you to release him and we can get it for minimum.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay. Yeah, Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, to pay $50 million for a backup.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, that's good money that way. Can you imagine?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

Back up making 50 million.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I just. I remember when this deal came down and you and I was talking about it.

[Tom Yamas]

We sure was. Yeah. Listen, I sure thought he was gonna get at least two years in. I ain't know he would even. I didn't know. I didn't know it would be that soon, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, at best case scenario, he gets two. I said, but Ocho, what if he only Gets one and you got all that guaranteed money. You're in a Russell Wilson situation.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's, and that's exactly what happened. Now Russell's situation was a little, you know, they wanted some, some protections, the guaranteed money, blah, blah, blah. Russell's like, nah, I'm not waving that. And I get it. But Cousins, man, and I think they still got another 10 million next year. They owe him because he got 110. I think he got, he got 100. Signed a four year, 180 million dollar deal, but 110 of it was guaranteed 50 signing bonus and then 60 over the next two years.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, one thing about brother Cousins, man, listen, God, oh man, hey, he, God has been good to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great.

[Tom Yamas]

And his timing, his timing has been impeccable every time. And he bet on himself. One thing about it, when you bet on yourself, he's come out on top every single time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So how much you got? 84. You got 84 to sign? 184 million, not no 84 million for. That's $21 million a year, huh? No, I was talking about, we talking about Cousins. I was like, I was like $20? Nah, it was way more than that. Yeah, and that's the thing though, Ocho. I mean, cousin, no, cousins got like 50 million guarantee. He got signing bonus. Cause I think he had 110. It was 180 for four years. And then I think he had 110 guaranteed. Maybe 150 guaranteed.

[Tom Yamas]

Woo. Hey, could you imagine? Hey, Chat, could you imagine? Just close your eyes real quick and just imagine. You go to sleep at the night and you wake up in the morning and it's 50 million in your bank account. But Uncle Sam done took half of it, ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got 90 fully. If you think about it, Ocho, he's never had a contract since he became the starter in Washington that wasn't guaranteed. Because remember he, he played on, he played on the franchise tag one year. He played on the franchise tag the second year, Minnesota fully guaranteed the deal. And then he came back and got another fully guaranteed deal. And now what you call him just gave him 100 million fully guaranteed. Hey, so he got 50 this year. He got 50 last year. He got 40 this year, that's 90. He got another 10 next year.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, listen, that's God, child, man. God don't play by this, children.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't. But when it comes to Jair for the Mark Murphy.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To say what he said, you think that's fair file?

[Tom Yamas]

You know what, what did you Tell me what, what did I tell you? I want owners.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say you want. You want the truth?

[Tom Yamas]

More owners need to start speaking like this. Tell us how.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they don't really have an owner. They have a CEO. They only teach. They're the only teach at. That doesn't have ownership.

[Tom Yamas]

Right. Yeah. I mean, listen. Tell us how you really feel right now. The Bangles are in a situation right now. I mean, obviously, I know there's no one over there that. That would do that, but tell us why you really don't want to pay it. You know, it would be. It would be. It would be a breath of fresh air if we can get owners to speak out why they really don't want to do things similar with Mike Murphy, what Mark Murphy did. You know what? We like him. We just don't feel we want to invest that much money into him. We don't think he's worth that. Okay. He got. He got 17 and a half sacks two years in a row, but we don't think he can do it for another year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Tom Yamas]

Just come out and say it. We don't see him as, as. As a Michael Parsons or. We don't see him as a. A Miles Garrett type. He's a Tier 2 defense in. Come out and say it. Because if. If. If it was anybody else, hell, if it was Miles Garrett. Oh, you're gonna get your money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, it's kind of like, I think. Who was it? Branch? Ricky. Guy wanted to Con one, Wanted a. A big contract. He said, what'd you hit last year, son? He said, I hit.350. 17 homers and. And 85 RBIs. He said, what place did we finish in the division? He said we finished last. He said we could finish there without you. So I guarantee you Cincinnati is having this conversation.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where do we finish with in defense with 70. When you got those 17 half sacks, you were in defensive player of the year running. Where did we finish? Where did we finish defensively? Okay. We can finish there without you.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. And that, That's. Then. That's how they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guarantee they're having those conversations.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. Because it should.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We. You and I thinking Ocho. It should be a no brainer. The guy got 17 half sacks. He did it one year. He didn't do it just one year. He did it two years.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you like. Okay, fine, cool. But a lot of times, what the mistakes. And sometimes, you know, it's better to wait. If you get t. You save yourself probably $30 million.

[Tom Yamas]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you sign him last Year if you go ahead and give. See, now if you gave Trey 28 million last year, he jump on that with both feet.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now he sees where the market is going. The market is not in the, in the, in the high 20s, low 30s. The market's in the 40s.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. You see, you know what? You see what you just said, the way you just explained it about the timing of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Tom Yamas]

Fighting to pay the players. And that's the difference in brother Harry Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Tom Yamas]

The timing and when they decide to play players has always been impeccable. They did them before. It's too high.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the Patriots motto.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. They get them at the right time where it makes sense and it's almost to a point where it's team friendly in a sense because you can continue to build around them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Tom Yamas]

And I, I, I, I. Man, I wish, man, I wish more teams did that. Huh? Yeah. I don't give himself upset.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We previously spoke about the reports that Terry McLaurin is frustrated with the lack of progress on a long term deal. Well, new reports say that Scary Terry is not attending commander's minicamp. All these camps now, Ocho are mandatory. They're no more voluntary. They're all mandatory. Ocho, how would the situation end? Oh, he don't get that money.

[Tom Yamas]

Don't get his money. You know. Yeah. I'm going to tell you how you're going to get his money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you going to get it?

[Tom Yamas]

Shoot, Jaden Daniel can go up there. Hello? Who is it in Jaden? I need my number one quarterback. I need my captain. I'm not sure what you need to do on your end, but I know what I need on my end. I need Scary Terry to get that money. So I have that, that safety net. So I had that individual to throw to, the same one. Pull up the film from last year. I don't understand what the problem is. I don't know what we mulling around for. Get him his money. I still got two years before I'm up. So we gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm going. But yeah, this year, next year, after next year, I'm gonna come see you too. And if I got him, that increases my value too.

[Tom Yamas]

Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I know I'm gonna put up big numbers and I see where it's going. So I'm about. I'm trying to get 62.

[Tom Yamas]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm trying to get. Hold on. I tried to get Josh. I'm trying to get Josh Allen, number 62. Josh Allen would have signed two years. I'm two years after Josh Allen. I'm trying to keep the market going.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much Josh Allen. How much Josh Allen got fully guaranteed? I tell you what, you ain't got to give me. You ain't got to give me for 300. Make it all guaranteed.

[Tom Yamas]

300.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Josh Allen got 330. How much is fully guaranteed? 250. He got a quarter billion. He got 250, fully guaranteed. Okay? Boom. That's me. So six years, 330. I don't really care nothing about that. Tell me how much. If it floods, if it snow, if it's a tornado, a rainstorm, I don't care. Tell me what I'm gonna be, what I'm gonna get. So guess what? By that time, ocho. 275. That's gonna be the going rate. 275.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, so C.J. stroud gonna be in that. In that ballpark too, then?

[Shannon Sharpe]

CJ Stroud up there after this season? Absolutely, yes. And you better hope Patrick Mahomes don't say, you know what? I'm tired of all these jokers making more than me. Give me my true value.

[Tom Yamas]

He wouldn't do that. Yeah, he won't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I'm saying, he's made it abundantly clear. Yeah, he's like. He's doing great with money. They've done great by him. He's like, look, I'm just trying to keep this team together as long as I possibly can, keep as many good players around me. Allah. Tom Brady, as I possibly can. Hey. And plus, the money that I make off the field can sustain my lifestyle.

[Tom Yamas]

And it makes up for what he's not going to make in contracts. As opposed to the other quarterbacks. That's taking a huge lump sum.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I think the thing is, Ojo, when you look at it, my homeboy, he's going to be like, Brady. Brady's not the. Is not the highest paid. Was not the highest paid quarterback. Even though he played the most years, he didn't make the most money. Aaron Rodgers is at 408 million, I think. And then Matthew Stafford's at 391. Tom Brady Way way on that. I mean, Tom Brady, listen, don't feel sorry for him. He made really good money. But Tom. It became painfully became obvious to everybody the most important thing was reams it wasn't money because Tom realized as a quarterback, he was gonna be able to make money. Now he's making 35 million, 37 million a year for 10 years. So he good. So he said, now. Now, look, I give y' all something to chase. Cause y' all can pass me monetarily. I want to see the dude that's going to catch me with these rings. Who gonna get eight? Who gonna get seven? Who gonna get six? While we talking about it, I'm already there. I'm in the clubhouse. He says, look, I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse. Come catch. So.

[Tom Yamas]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Terry's like, look, bro, I done been to the pro Bowls. Out of thousand yard seasons, I don't really know what else y' all want me to do. I don't know. I don't know what else I need to do to show you that I'm worth whatever I say I am.

[Tom Yamas]

See, his situation is different. He's gonna get his money. It's just about being patient and the timing of when it gets done. Miss minicamp to make sure you're working out before the season start. Maybe before training camp. You don't want to miss another training camp. You don't want. No, no, you don't. You don't do that. Don't do that. And I'm sure that the organization understands you're going in a different direction. You're going in a different direction. You had a phenomenal season last year. You got things off. You got things off to a great start. Don't. Don't F it up. Don't f it up. Don't piss off the fans. You had a great season. NFC championship last year. Let's keep that momentum and consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture.

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[Tom Yamas]

Foreign.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wide receiver coach Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne, that is. Reggie Wayne is viewed as a possible interim head coach if Shane Steichen struggles to start the season. Ocho, I. Ooh, I like it.

[Tom Yamas]

You don't like it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Here's the thing. You know, they're under, you know, Jim Ursay, rest his soul. Mr. Ursay passed away a month ago. His three daughters took over, I think his oldest, oldest daughter, although they all have roles, she is the majority. She makes the decisions. Because even if it's a family thing, the NFL wants there to be one voice. They want one person to be able to talk. And so she is the, she's the, you know, the oldest. And I guess he, you know, put it in a situation where, okay, you handle this and it's gonna go accordingly. But that'll be very, very interesting because it's one thing like, damn, all of a sudden we're thrust into this and we running a billion dollar corporation, a multi billion dollar corporation is something entirely different. When you got a head coach situation in your first year, that's not something that, you know, you've been on a job for five, six years, Ocho, you kind of understand it. But your first year, you got to make that decision.

[Tom Yamas]

I mean, listen, they've been around the game though. They've been around the game long enough. They're going to be certain decisions that, that are going to be made that can be, you know, somewhat altering business decision and business decisions. And that, that is one of them. Listen, I'm not sure who made the call or who made the decision when Jeff, Jeff Saturday got the opportunity.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jim Mercy.

[Tom Yamas]

Jim Mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So again, he loves his players. He's really close to his players. I mean, yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

So I mean, I think that, I think it would be a great, great opportunity for Reggie. He knows the organization, he knows the fan base. He understands the culture and what, not only the fans, but what that organization needs to get Indy back to their winning ways.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but here's the thing, Ocho, you have to understand. Jim Mercy had a personal relationship with Jeff Saturday.

[Tom Yamas]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're just. Even though they're around, they don't have the same type of relationships. They haven't developed that. And it's different. Male, female, you know what I'm saying? Ocho. So going out, you know, Mr. Earthly, going out and drinking with. With Saturday and some of the guys is one thing. That's not what they're going to do. They're not going to have that same dynamic.

[Tom Yamas]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As their father had. And so it. That's what, you know, I don't wish. I don't want Shane Steichen. I don't want him, the man, to lose his job. But I mean, this is a situation. They're just saying. They're just throwing stuff up. Like, what if he struggles?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, Shane is going to be okay. Shane is going to be okay. Him losing his job is all predicated on how the quarterback play is. Yes, the quarterback play is. That's all it comes down to. That's the. I don't want to call it the elephant in the room, but that's the goddamn elephant in the room. How well is a quarterback play gonna play? Because if the quarterback play is bad, he gonna get you fired.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what happened. And sometimes they play just good enough to get themselves, get the coach fired and them cut. Self cut. That's what Richard Rich used to tell us. Richard Smith, he was our special teams coach. He said, son, you play just well enough to get me cut and you fired. So the cap, that's gonna be a tough. I mean, I, I think Houston's gonna be, you know, Houston's gonna rebound. Even though they won the division last year, I think they'll be a little bit better. We're gonna be very interested to see how Jacksonville does this year. They got a new head coach. They got Travis Hunter. We'll see Trevor Lawrence.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah, he. He got to come back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got to Brian Thomas Jr.

[Tom Yamas]

Trav.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Tom Yamas]

I'm excited. Hey, that. Hey, the Jackson Jacksonville man. What that stadium gonna be rocking, boy. That stadium gonna be rocking, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shane Steichen says Anthony Richardson Village visited Dr. Neil Ellatroch in Los Angeles to get a second opinion on his shoulder. Steichen says nothing has changed and the plan is to just rest the shoulder for now. There's no timetable on his return.

[Tom Yamas]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you o. We start a race, we running. All of a sudden you catch a cramp or you get tired, your stomach start to hurt. So you. Yeah, you see what happened.

[Tom Yamas]

So Daniel Jones right now is the starting quarterback for the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. 1,000%.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay. Daniel Jones isn't the answer either. Just FYI.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It all depends on. What's the question. Name the quarterback that went to Duke. He's the answer. When you say he's not the answer. I just need to know the question. You ask it first.

[Tom Yamas]

Listen, Daniel Jones is not the answer. I don't care what people say about Anthony Richardson, him being hurt. He was inconsistent last year, whatever it may be. Daniel Jones isn't the answer either. And I'm. And that's no disrespect to him. I'm just being honest. We saw a large sample size of what he could do in New York in the biggest market. Yes, biggest market with some decent talent around. I think from too many turnovers, man. From a supporting cast standpoint, it's a lot better in indie form.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, for sure, a lot. They got Jonathan Taylor in the backfield. Look at those receivers. They got Pierce and, and, and, and.

[Tom Yamas]

Pittman Jr. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, they got some talent over there. Now. There's no, there's solid offensive line. Defense isn't bad.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. There's no excuse. If you can't. No, it can't get it done here, then you are the problem. Damn, man. That was. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Tom Yamas]

I was hoping for a turnaround year for Anthony Richardson. Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Picked the wrong time to have this type of injury because like I said, Maybe it's his A.C. jordan or something like that. He went to the Curling Joel Clinic out in la. Neil Electronic. Remember I was telling you about him? I know. Dr. Elliotrage.

[Tom Yamas]

Why are they waiting to do it now and not doing it when the season ended?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Did he have surgery then? Maybe. Maybe he's throwing. Cause a lot of times, you know, they bring extra quarterbacks in Ocho because they don't want the quarterback throwing so much so early, so, so soon. And sometimes they just get dead arms and, you know, gotta, you know, I don't know how much he threw in the off season.

[Tom Yamas]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, because as a pitcher, you know, you gotta throw.

[Tom Yamas]

Right. He might, he might, he might be overdoing it, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a possibility of that too. We don't know. We just. Two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. If he's having. I think it's his AC joint, isn't it? He had, he had surgery after his rookie. Well, remember, he missed. He only played. He only played like three or four games his rookie year because he got that shoulder and he had surgery on it. He said, they're saying that he's experiencing soreness in that throwing shoulder that he had surgery on.

[Tom Yamas]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lions head coach Dan Campbell wants to have a live lion on the team sideline at Ford Field. But the NFL said hell no, despite owner Sheila Ford Hamp approving it. Sheila said had no problem with it, but the league apparently frowned upon those type of things. You know what? He'll be a perfect college coach because they have to let you have anything. They let you have a Clydesdale, they'll let you have an elephant, a panther. Listen, LSU got. LSU got what? A falcon fly down like. Like at Auburn.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Campbell told. Pardon my. Pardon my take, Ocho. I mean, you want to lie on the sideline?

[Tom Yamas]

Hell yeah. I like that. So listen, all that does it gives me another idea. Obviously I'm not playing, but I could. Can you imagine me playing for Dan Campbell, you know, back during those days? And the lion on the sideline and I got it. I get to come up with a celebration after scoring using the lion, using our mascot. Man. Man, that. I could see me jumping in the cage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can see that line tearing your ass up in that cage. NFL say the last thing the NFL want that infant lion mess around and break up out that cage. Ocho.

[Tom Yamas]

But don't know. Hey, listen, don't nobody want no part of that whether you got on pads or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause here's the thing people don't realize, like you see a line on television and you're like, oh, he ain't that. But when you see that mofo in person up close.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

400 pounds of all muscle.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, I want you to think about it for the people in the chat that have cats, right? Just think about this. Think about the people that have cats and how quick and agile your regular home domestic cat is. Now you take a full. How much they weigh off?

[Shannon Sharpe]

400 easy. 400.

[Tom Yamas]

A male lion pound lion that has that same type of agility and quickness just for some reason, they sleep 23 hours a day and can still jump out. Man. It's dog. They're athletic. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And they so damn lazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they sleep half the day. They a. They hunt at night. Get there, get their little hunt on, get their little a. And just chill. Yeah, what a life, bro. No, like I said in college, you know, college, they let anything go. They have goats and they have rams and they have, you know, even Colorado, they get. Have Ralphie running on the field. Who that? Oklahoma got Boomer, schooner Boomer sooner and that little. The little mini horses.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NFL said n. We good I like it, though.

[Tom Yamas]

That. That would be dope. That would be dope if. If they could implement mascots that were that. That reference. The teens, but had the real mascot outside of just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, we gotta. We got. We got mascot fun to run on the field every time they score a touchdown.

[Tom Yamas]

The horse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. See, every team. I'm saying every team. The Bengals should have an actual Bengal tiger. I mean, I think it would be dope. It'd be fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got your damn mind.

[Tom Yamas]

I'm just being honest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the Cowboys, they do have a cowboy. I mean, so I've tried to figure out, the Giants, how they gonna get a mascot? How tall are you gonna be? You gonna be dad? Are you gonna be Goliath?

[Tom Yamas]

The Giants. What is the Giants mascot?

[Shannon Sharpe]

A Giant.

[Tom Yamas]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay. I like it. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just trying to figure out.

[Tom Yamas]

So the Seahawks. The Seahawks having a Seahawk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

The Colts obviously having a horse. I'm. I. I'd assume the Chiefs. That's easy. Who else? We got Broncos. Ab. Obviously you have the horse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. We got Thunder.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay. What up? Panthers having a Panther. Oh, that would be dope. A Black Panther coming. Oh, that'd be live. I'm trying to think what a Ravens. It's easy to get a goddamn Raven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Tom Yamas]

Buffalo Bills. Could you imagine if they had a. A big Bison?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you want him to run down the field like Ralphie, huh?

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah. Yeah. Get you a real bison, man. Yeah. NFL needed. They might as well just, you know, try something different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The one thing about the NFL, they do not want to pay no money.

[Tom Yamas]

They make all the money, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. That's how you keep it. You keep it, you make it, and you don't spit away with lawsuits.

[Tom Yamas]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Marvin Harrison Jr. Been hitting the gym, Ocho. Even Kyler Murray couldn't believe how different Marvin Harrison Jr looked when asked about his transformation. Khaled said, hell, I thought it was AI. Yeah, he yoked up. He more than you, Ocho. He got you.

[Tom Yamas]

Nah, we about the same size.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, Ocho, he got you, Ocho.

[Tom Yamas]

I'm bigger. I'm bigger than. Oh, Junior. I'm bigger than Junior. Nah, trust me, man. Trust me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, Chad, What y' all think? Y' all think Ocho bigger than mhj?

[Tom Yamas]

All they gotta do. Look at me, man. Look at this, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at him.

[Tom Yamas]

No, look at me. Look at this. This is McDonald's, man. What you talking about, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, he got real good chicken breast. You know, he probably had some broccoli who me? Cauliflower, Maybe a little carrots. A Caesar salad, kale salad, arugula or something like that.

[Tom Yamas]

Me? What you talking about, man? What is real? Boy, you talking about. Hey, my. Hey, I. I'm a full C cup. Like, I can't. I gotta put. I gotta put my tea. I gotta get a one size smaller T shirt just to keep my chest down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're still a small.

[Tom Yamas]

No. What? This is a 2x.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it ain't.

[Tom Yamas]

This. This is a 2x from H& M. I can show you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Show me.

[Tom Yamas]

H. M. See?

[Shannon Sharpe]

God dang. Joe sent me some. Some shorts.

[Tom Yamas]

Who that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And talking about these are two eggs.

[Tom Yamas]

What's that? God damn them things little, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. For two heads.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, send me them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. You get on that reformer.

[Tom Yamas]

Hey, what kind of shorts them is?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're supposed to be yoga shorts.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, they supposed to be small, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't. Not for me.

[Tom Yamas]

Nah. You know, but you know, hey, yoga you support. I ain't never did yoga, but I'm supposed. You're supposed to be free, you know. Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How am I free with those little tiny ass things?

[Tom Yamas]

You don't want nothing baggy, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I gotta have. I have to have a jock strap on, man. So you supposed to have all baggy stuff in yoga.

[Tom Yamas]

Oh, no. You want to be free. Nothing that's free. Baggy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's free, not constricted.

[Tom Yamas]

Okay, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. I don't know, I think you might have miss sized these, Joe.

[Tom Yamas]

There you go, Joe. Send me some too, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we'll. We'll see. We'll see it tomorrow. Joe. The volume.

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