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Shannon Sharp
Yes, sir.
Chad Ochocinco
What y' all want? What y' all try to do? What y' all try to do? Something. Y' all try to do something for two. Something. Because right now at 1 o'. Clock.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
And Easter time, 4 o', clock, everything needs to be taken care of. So. So they got this done. I like this move. Oo. I told you I didn't see a scenario where Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett was on this. On this roster two veteran quarter. I didn't see that.
Shannon Sharp
I didn't.
Chad Ochocinco
So tell me what you think about the move. Surprise.
Shannon Sharp
No, I'm not surprised at all. Obviously, Kenny Pickett is a very, very serviceable quarterback. He showed glimpses of being able to lead a team. Maybe not quarterback number one, but we saw him in Pittsburgh, we saw him in Philly when he got his opportunity to play there. And obviously due to injuries and circumstance, we weren't able to see much of him in Cleveland. But OB we seen what he could do in two other spots outside of. Outside of Las Vegas where he's going to be now. And obviously learning and sit behind. Geno Smith is a great, great, great quarterback. Quarterback number one to sit behind and learn that offense from. And if anything goes wrong where Geno Smith goes down. Kenny Pickett is a grace serviceable quarterback that can go in and lead a team to a couple of wins. Obviously they have Amari Cooper. Jacoby Myers is upset right now, obviously wanting an extension and I think because of Jacobe requesting a trade, they obviously reached out to Amari Cooper and Amar Cuba has some other choices of teams he could have went to, but he chose to go back to the Raiders for obvious reasons. He gonna get that ball. He gonna get that ball. And I mean that. That's what it is. I think it's a good thing. Good pickup for Pete Carroll and he. He gonna be all right. He gonna be all right over there in Las Vegas.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I like the move for both sides. Reports are out oo that Kenny Pickett, they really, the Browns really like, were hoping he would be their starter, but I didn't see a scenario where you. If you keeping four quarterbacks, you're not keeping two veterans and two rookies. It just. It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Shannon Sharp
Not at all.
Chad Ochocinco
Because the backup, he's not going to be your future. He's not your. He's not your future. Your future of the rookies. So if he got, if he's your backup now, you, you, you're taking ref from them.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, and I hate when they say stuff like that too. The way you just started that, that, that, that sentence. What? They wanted Kenny Picket to be the starter. Obviously if Kenny Pickett was the type of quarterback that was to be a starter and the future for the Cleveland Browns, he would have been that. Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, no. No disrespect to him. No disrespect to him. He would have been that there obvious. Think about the makeup in the DNA of the Cleveland Browns. They are not heavily offensive skilled in a sense where you can have a quarterback that needs more talent around him to succeed like Kenny Picket would. You know, I think Joe Flacco is suited. Okay. I don't have that much talent around me offensively because the identity for the Cleveland rounds is their defense. No matter what they in the chat trying to hate the Cleveland Brown defense, it's very good. No matter what you say. You can say what you want to say. So they went with the right choice in Joe Flacco. They got Jerry, Judy and Joku and they gonna have. They're gonna have to eat. Cedric Tillman. They're gonna have to eat. They're gonna have to eat.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, they're gonna have to. They're gonna have to carry a lot of. Do a lot of the heavy. And the thing is, is that like Joe Flacco at 40 years of age and you're 18. What are your expectations? What are your expectations? I mean, if you really go back and look at it, Joe Flacco really has. Hasn't ever really been good in the regular season. He's made a name for himself in the postseason.
Shannon Sharp
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco
Beating an Andrew. Look, beating a Tom Brady. Beating a Peyton Manning. That's where he beat. He beat Tom Brady twice in the post.
Shannon Sharp
Please, real quick. He beat Andrew Luck. He beat Tom Brady. Please let the chat know and understand the teams and the talent that was surrounding him. He did those. Let's remember, let's remember what that defense looked like. Let you remember what the weapons he had on offense looked like. Now. It wasn't. It wasn't. Obviously it's a team game, but we can't just put this all on Flacco now.
Chad Ochocinco
But he was, I mean, I mean he was. I mean he really Looked like Joe Montana come playoff time because he never, he never show what he shown in the playoffs. He's never shown that in the regular season for any length of time. Yes, he's had good games. He's a quarterback. I mean, you don't be a quarterback for a decade plus, a starting quarterback for a decade plus Ocho and not put up good numbers. So he's put up good numbers, but nothing that would say, oh my God, there's a reason why Ozzie traded back into the first round. It's like select Lamar Jackson. So with that being said, he beat Andrew. Look, he went to Denver, beat Peyton Manning, he went to New England and beat Tom Brady. He did that. And then he went on the road and beat a San Francisco team when Kyla Nick was at his apex without outstanding defense. When they had Navarro Bowman, when they had Patrick Willis, when they had Smith, when they had those great, that great team, Frank Gore running the ball, a mammoth offensive line. He did that. I'll give him credit for that. But like I said, it's in the post season that he's made a name, really cut his teeth and made a name for himself because there's really been no consistency in the regular season. He showed you flashing like, damn, why can't we get this? More, more, more, more. This Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco.
Shannon Sharp
What are you gonna get? A Browns, he gonna give you a 5, 6 game run of wins. You're gonna be like, holy sh, man, he did it. He did it. Two years ago. DeShawn went down. Boy, they went on a hell of a run with Flacco. Boy, Jerry, Judy. Wait, no, was that Judy?
Chad Ochocinco
Judy wasn't there.
Shannon Sharp
I. It was somebody, somebody. Receiver was going crazy, man.
Chad Ochocinco
It might have been Coop.
Shannon Sharp
It was, it was Coop going crazy, man. Yeah, it was. The damn show was cool.
Chad Ochocinco
And, and see, and that's the thing. You see what happened? He came in, there was no expectations. They won some games and then we started having expectations for him. And then what happened?
Shannon Sharp
The bottom fell out. Interceptions, turnover.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, yes, yes. So this, I like this move for the, the Browns now this give Dylan Gabriel. Look, they talking about where they have a name to back up. We know who the backup's going to be. Hey, I won't need a name. We already know who the backup's gonna be. And, and Dylan Gabriel is going to be the backup. It's your door when you get your reps and because you're going to probably be. Well, Dylan will be running some of the practice, some of the, the opposing team's quarterback also, but, excuse me, the scout team offense, that's when your opportunity, that's when you show what you can do. That's the way you don't go through the motions. You take it seriously. Hey, they tell you where to go with the ball. You go through your. You go through your progressions. Hey, and get the ball where it needs to go. But in the meantime, hey, you get enough that playbook and when your opportunity presents itself, you take full advantage.
Shannon Sharp
And the good thing, so. And the funny thing, the good thing for Stewart, as well as Dylan Gabriel as well, is when you take the scout team reps, hey, you're going against the number one defense. Going against number one defense. So obviously it's. It's. It's mental reps plus physical reps, but it's against the best players, similar to what you see on a Sunday. So it's just. Just not. No, ain't gonna be no walk in the park, man. Ain't gonna be the walk in the park.
Chad Ochocinco
That day. I remember. I bet I remember that thing. That was 35 years. I was rookie back in 1990, so that's 35, 36 years ago. I remember it. I was lighting them up. Oh, yeah, this is my. Hey, this might get this myself.
Shannon Sharp
Right, right, right, right.
Chad Ochocinco
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. That is my Sunday. I'm not going to get a whole lot of reps on offense. I'm going to be on special teams. This is my. This is my Sunday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm cooking, man. Take it. Hey, take it easy, my ass. Well, I try to keep it easy after the coach done told me that, hey, we still cut right here. Now, I just want y' all to know that it's September. I think I done made the squad. Coach, no, we. Oh, no. Oh, no. I can't now how that's gonna look, Ocho. I done made the team. I done call home. Libby. I made it. Spank. I made it, mama. I made it. Call my homeboy. I made it. And then all of a sudden I get cut. Oh, nah, nah. Hell nah, man. I was cooking. I'm trying to think who we played. We played the Raiders over the week my rookie year. Man, I cooked the dude so bad. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday after practice, they cut it for real. Cut it. Cook. Cooked. I would cook. Oh, I was cooking.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, hey, it's. It's so funny. I didn't know. I didn't know the correct way to practice. I knew one thing. Do everything. Special teams, I'm out there Playing around just to keep my body warm and moving. I'm at the Ghana.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharp
I'm running down on special teams. Scout team.
Chad Ochocinco
I was.
Shannon Sharp
Listen, I was. I'm in year 10. To is, you know, to is obviously on the Bengals with me. So I'm peeping. I'm watching T. Okay. Okay. This how he do it. Okay. That's how he do it. Scout team come up. I'm taking all the reps on scout team to give my number ones a look, and TL Pulled me to the side like, what is how you practice? You're not supposed to. You got to give your body time.
Chad Ochocinco
To rep. Yeah, you gotta save them legs, man.
Shannon Sharp
Boy, I take all the reps. This is. This is all I know. This I know. I say, yo, boy. He's like, ocho, boy, you tripping, boy. You got to say, your legs for Sunday. I say, t, I'm going to be all right. But this is how. This is how I've always done it. I always take the scout team, so I give the number one corners the best look, depending on who they seeing. It's like, boy, you better than me, because I couldn't do that.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, early. Early. You know, I would take a couple. You know, there's like, want to get some work or something. But as I got older, I started getting your five year, six. Nah, I ain't got nothing for you.
Shannon Sharp
I didn't know my first time thinking there was something wrong with it. Once to got there to Cincinnati was telling me, listen, you need. You need to scale back a little. You need to tone it back. Do what you do with the ones when we're up offensively. And you go.
Chad Ochocinco
You go, right? Give it.
Shannon Sharp
Give it everything.
Chad Ochocinco
But I'm getting seven hard, but. Plus, Ocho, you taking. You taking one on ones, too? See, I was the only tight end that took one on ones. I never ran routes against linebackers or anything like that. I ran routes against the white. So I'm. I'm getting. I'm getting that and I'm getting my reps. So once we got through, I do like, five, six plays of 907. Mike said 84. Go down and get some work on one on one. Okay. Cause, you know, during the course, some games I split out wide. I'd be in the flexion. But this is your opportunity. If I could tell any rookie anything, give him any advice. When you're running scout team, that is your Sunday. That is your game Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is your Sunday. You approach it like that. You like the. Hey, man, Take it easy. No, I ain't taking it easy on nothing. When they cut that film on, they gonna see number 81 busting his ass. Cause I ain't going home. Cause I think how you taking it easy? You want to let. Okay. Hey, bro, I understand that you a vet, and, you know, you and your 10 or whatever the case may be, but I'm going thousand miles an hour as hard as God deliver. And the ball gonna be coming to me, too. Oh, yeah. And they're like, hey, son, he's a rookie. So what you think? What you think? They got to do more than that. So you. That's for sure. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm just. I'm just following a. I just see the circle. Hey, that's where the ball going. Hey, let me get that right there.
Shannon Sharp
Every time before they got.
Chad Ochocinco
Before they got hip to it, Ocho, they started running. They realized that where the circle was, that's where the ball was supposed to go. They're like, all right, go ahead, man. They running dummy rides. I'm kidding. I'm just getting them all. Dylan Gabriel was seven years old when Flacco made his NFL debut. Shador was six.
Shannon Sharp
That's crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
18 years in the league. 18.
Shannon Sharp
Crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
Dylan Gabriel, 25. God damn.
Shannon Sharp
Good or bad.
Chad Ochocinco
Bro, you go to college at 17, 18, if you play four years, you're 21. 22. You play five years, you're 22. 23. He 25. Hold on. What you mean is that.
Shannon Sharp
Hold on. How old is B? Knicks didn't B. Knicks stay B. Bo.
Chad Ochocinco
N. 100, too.
Shannon Sharp
I think it's. It's good. It's good. Stand back.
Chad Ochocinco
Everybody back, though. Oh, Coach Covid. Remember you got that extra year for co. Huh? Yeah. Hey, well, I don't know if they do it, but they didn't. They didn't. What? No red shirt going on in black college when I was in school. So I don't know if they. They might. Red shirt now because we ain't had no money, right? Bill said, hell no. Home ain't no red shirt. We can't. We could barely pay for you now. We damn sure can't pay an extra year, huh? Okay. He'll be 25. Okay, so now that makes sense, because unless your birthday is, like, normally if your birthday is after September 1st, you have to start the next year.
Shannon Sharp
Okay?
Chad Ochocinco
So door is 23. He'll be 24. Win February. Okay, that. That's about right. That's about right. Cause how old were you when you got drafted? Shoot, I was 22.
Shannon Sharp
No, I was. I was 19.
Chad Ochocinco
Because I got. Draft. I got drafted before my 22nd birthday. So I was 21 in April. I turned 22 in June. But I didn't. Red shirt. Now, if you. Red shirt, you already know you're gonna be 22, 23 coming out, and then if you come out early, you're gonna be 20, 21.
Shannon Sharp
I don't even know how old I was. I'm talking about 19. I wonder how old I was.
Chad Ochocinco
Well, how old were you when you graduated?
Shannon Sharp
I don't know.
Chad Ochocinco
I don't remember.
Shannon Sharp
I graduated late. I graduated.
Chad Ochocinco
It might have gave you.
Shannon Sharp
No, no, no, no. Not that.
Chad Ochocinco
Not for attendance.
Shannon Sharp
Not that late. I'm just saying. I graduated. Hey, Unc.
Chad Ochocinco
I was bad. Did you have to go to summer school to graduate?
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, I was bad. Uncle. I would.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, Lord.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, I was bad. I would. Bad. I'm. I'm just. I'm just being honest. My focus was.
Chad Ochocinco
They might have gave you a certificate for attendance. They ain't say nothing about requirements.
Shannon Sharp
Oh, I was 22.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay. That ain't bad. So when your birth. So you go turn 23. So you. When your birthday?
Shannon Sharp
Ninth. 1968.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, so you turned. So you turned 20. So you turned 22. You had already turned 22. Okay. Yeah. Oh, one was your zero. One was your first year, huh?
Shannon Sharp
Oh, one was my first year, yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay.
Shannon Sharp
It's so funny.
Chad Ochocinco
You were 23.
Shannon Sharp
I was.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. You born in 70.
Shannon Sharp
I was born in 68.
Chad Ochocinco
The man was. Hey, look it up. I think this man was 23. 78 to 20. 78 to 2001 is 23. Cause I'm almost certain. I think you were there. Yeah, you was there my last year in Baltimore.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, I was there the year before that, too.
Chad Ochocinco
You wasn't there on that team. You ain't want to be a part of that. Oh, they were bad.
Shannon Sharp
I would have sauce y' all up.
Chad Ochocinco
Boy, boy, please.
Shannon Sharp
I would have sa.
Chad Ochocinco
That was a 2000 Ravens defense.
Shannon Sharp
Oh, man, I. Well, I don't see that. Listen, I didn't see them. I wouldn't have seen that defense, either. They would have got. They.
Chad Ochocinco
First of all, how you gonna get the ball?
Shannon Sharp
Who was the quarterback? Kitner, right? Kitner, right. Or Ail. Oh, Aili was there. Aili? Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
He can't throw the ball on his back. Hey, he was 23 years and seven months, week one. So you was almost 24. Damn, you. You almost tried to pull a dealing game.
Shannon Sharp
Nah, nah, nah. I Have this, this, and I got. I went. When I went.
Chad Ochocinco
Well, you went down, you said. But see, the thing is, you went to Juco.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
So you went to Juco. You know where you missed that year when you got kicked to what, Langston?
Shannon Sharp
Yep. Yeah, I got thrown out of Langston University.
Chad Ochocinco
See, that sent you back a year. Now you got to go to Samo.
Shannon Sharp
It took me three years to get out of there.
Chad Ochocinco
And you only stayed one year at Oregon State.
Shannon Sharp
That's all the eligibility I had left. I was a one for one.
Chad Ochocinco
God damn.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, I was one for one, but my back was against the wall at Oregon State. Huh?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharp
I ain't had no choice. That was either I get it. Either I get it done or it ain't happening.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, that. Sometimes when you force that, when that's all. When that's your only option. Hey, you want to see? You want to know how bad an animal will fight back it in the corner.
Shannon Sharp
But who you telling? Because I was back in the corner.
Chad Ochocinco
Now put his back against the wall. I don't care what you might think it is. Be a chicken, be a dog, be a cat, obviously a lion, an elephant. If you want to know how bad something will fight you, put him against the wall and you'll find out. So your bag was against the wall. You didn't want to go back home to Liberty City. And everybody say, I taught. Man, I told y' all bad Chad wasn't gonna do nothing. He gonna be right back with us.
Shannon Sharp
Man.
Chad Ochocinco
You ain't want to hear that, grandma.
Shannon Sharp
Down, boy.
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Exactly. Ocho the Commander signed Terry McLaurin to a three year deal worth up to 96 million. He received 30 million dollar bonus in the new deal. With Terry back, the Commanders are true super bowl contenders. We got the list up there. You can see right there on average salary guys are based at.
Shannon Sharp
It was right.
Chad Ochocinco
I said, I said 32. I say somewhere between 28, 32. You was at 32. I say I don't see him going north of DK, but hey, plus he's a little older, Ocho and you don't want to be the team to set that precedent because I was reading Today, of the 24 guys that's got these new deals, only one is 30 years of old age of older when signing them. And that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique because Tyreek might be the old, might be the oldest, but he outrun everybody.
Shannon Sharp
That's every last one.
Chad Ochocinco
So with that being said, congratulations Terry. Well deserved five consecutive thousand yard season. He was second in the NFL in touchdown catches last year behind Chase who won the triple crown. Very, very well deserved. I was glad the Commanders came through. Reward your players. That's exemplary. Not only on the field, but off the field as well. I always like to see teams reward their players they drafted. They're homegrown. You know that player Rewarded.
Shannon Sharp
I have a question. Can you please explain to me why management, why the powers that be, always. No, it doesn't take that long to do the numbers. I don't know who does the books with the commanders. It doesn't take that long. Why do we wait until the end of training camp, preseason passes by, and then all of a sudden you decide to pay your player two weeks before the season starts.
Chad Ochocinco
Without being privy to both sides? Maybe he offered concessions. Maybe they came up. Remember it was being reported he wanted north of what DK got.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
DK was at 33. So maybe he dropped down. Maybe, hey, he lowered his ceiling. Maybe they lifted the floor. We don't know without being privy to both sides of the information. But at the end of the day, Ocho. Yeah. You would like for it to be a little smoother transition or like for things to go a lot smoother, but at the end of the day, isn't the job is to get the, get the deal done?
Shannon Sharp
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco
And I think he had, he was dealing with an injury anyway, so I don't know how, how soon he was going to be able to practice. Now this gives him an opportunity, gives him a couple of weeks work some of the dust off. He gonna be tired. He's gonna be, hey, you're gonna be. Hey, he gonna be tired like a one leg man in the ass kicking.
Shannon Sharp
Oh yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Because I tell people all the time, ojo, and you know this, you get in shape playing football, you can want all the wind sprints you want.
Shannon Sharp
Don't mean that ain't football.
Chad Ochocinco
Cause you don't got no helmet, you don't got no shoulder pads, you don't got people tugging on you and you ain't got cleats on your feet. So if or in order for you to get in football shape, you gotta play football. That's what you gotta do. That's what in track and field, you don't see them doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball to get in shape. You get in track shape by running track.
Shannon Sharp
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco
You get in football shape by playing football, basketball shape by playing basketball. That's how you get in shape. And so, and I agree with you, you were talking about this like, man, I just hate when these hold out because then you run the risk of soft tissue because you haven't pushed your body. And they want, they, hey, hey, take these next couple of rounds. Like, nah, bro, let me, let me build up to it. Let me build a little callous. Let me build up to that, bro. Hey, don't push me too hard, too fast, because groins, hamstring, quads, adductors. Adductors. But I. But I'm glad Scary Terry got this deal done, you know, hey, he got. He got what he wanted. He got 30 million signing bonuses. He was trying to get that DK, because I think DK got 60 million guaranteed. So he was kind of looking for. Hey, look, bro, you straight?
Shannon Sharp
You good?
Chad Ochocinco
You straight? Yeah. Hey, that. That 15 you a third round pick if you took care of your money. This right here just decided bonus alone, you should be good even before you even get to the big money that you're going to start making next year. You should be straight. He seems like a guy that has his head on straight. He'll do good with his money. But I'm glad Washington, I always like that. Ocho. I like when teams reward the players. I do.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Guys that you, you know, I mean, Cincinnati, they drafted you. They saw you. They. They know your work habits. They know what you do.
Shannon Sharp
Absolutely.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I hate. I don't. I don't like. So let me get this straight. I've been here four or five years. You hard time me, but come free agency, you go get this. This joke in here. You don't know what he like. You don't know what his practice habits is. You don't know anything about the guy. But you go give him a boatload of money. You see me every day busting my ass, and then you hard time me about my paper.
Shannon Sharp
Well, hey, that's crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
I like, bro.
Shannon Sharp
Damn, that's crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
But it's nice to know y' all got some money. So when I go knock it on the door next year, I want to.
Shannon Sharp
Hear no excuses at all.
Chad Ochocinco
I don't hear nothing o joke. But Jamar Chase is the highest paid at 42, 50. And then you got Jetta Boy. There's a big gap between who's going to be able to fill that gap, who's going to be available OO to go in between that 35 and 40, or who pole vaults over Chase Puka Nakua.
Shannon Sharp
No, no. It's gonna be a minute. It's gonna be a minute, huh?
Chad Ochocinco
You got neighbors. You got Brian Thomas Juniors.
Shannon Sharp
It would probably be Neighbors. Neighbors or Brian Thomas Jr. If anything. It would probably be neighbors. Brian Thomas Jr. Might fall right up under that. Right, right up under that. But the next person I say, neighbors might get maybe 42, 43.
Chad Ochocinco
See, Chase had the perfect storm because he had this in a contract year, so he got the Triple Crown in A contract.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
So if you give him what he's asking for, maybe you get him for 35, 36, 37. But now since you didn't, you got attack on you. You got to pay a tax, you got to pay a penalty.
Shannon Sharp
They bet against him, they bet again.
Chad Ochocinco
That's what they do.
Shannon Sharp
I mean it happens all the time.
Chad Ochocinco
I wouldn't. You know why I wouldn't bet against him? Because his best friend is the quarterback. Yeah.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, he gonna get it to him. He got, he got, he got it to him too.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hey. I'd have sent him a Richard meal. I got him a Patek. I'd have gotten something real nice. Yeah, for sure.
Shannon Sharp
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Nico Collins already got paid.
Chad Ochocinco
I think he did okay.
Shannon Sharp
Okay. Yeah. So it'd be one. One of the young bulls. I don't know if they get the 40. But Malik, Malik Neighbors is, is they.
Chad Ochocinco
Might because of the time Ocho think about. So he got signed this deal this off season. By the time they come up, that's going to be 27. So that'll be, that'll be two years, three years. So if hey price is going up.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah. It'd probably be Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. And probably. Guess what, Ocho, another thing is gonna happen. There'll probably be an 18th game.
Shannon Sharp
Ah, that's right.
Chad Ochocinco
That 18th game gonna be here. 28. I'm saying 28.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah. Probably bigger piece of the pie too. So.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, so. But I'm glad Terry gets it. He. He's right there with Garrett Wilson, A.J. brown, Terry McClure. They're all around 32 million. And then you got Almond Ross, St. Brown, Brandon Ayuk, Tyreek T. Higgins at 11, Jalen Waddle is at 12. So the 2019 draft third round pick has been the team's receipt, a leader in reception and receiving yards. Each of his six seasons he's put together a string of five straight 1000 yard campaigns, becoming the first. First in NFL history to do so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research. So he's had a different starting quarterback basically every single year.
Shannon Sharp
Still got it done.
Chad Ochocinco
He's been there. He's. He's putting together kind of like what D hop did when he matter who D Hop. I could have been throwing the D hop and he was going to be an all probably he had to now when he got desean it really took him to another level. But it didn't matter if it was Case Keenum, if it was Brian Hoyer, if it was Brock Oswalon D. Hop ain't give a damn who the quarterback was. D Hop was putting in work on everybody.
Shannon Sharp
Everybody.
Chad Ochocinco
So that's how D Hop made really made a name for himself, because he could have used every excuse, man, give me a quarterback, like, give me. Give me this or give me that. D. Hop said, no, I got who I got. But y' all know I am who I am.
Shannon Sharp
All you had to do is put the ball in the vicinity. That's it.
Chad Ochocinco
I still don't. I still don't believe this, man. Bill o' Brien traded D. Hop for a damn running back.
Shannon Sharp
I don't know what's wrong.
Chad Ochocinco
You talk about. You talk about a top. At the time, D. Hop was. Had to be top two, top three.
Shannon Sharp
Absolutely, absolutely. Now, if I'm not mistaken, and you.
Chad Ochocinco
Traded for a running back.
Shannon Sharp
I think he wanted to get paid, too. If I'm not mistaken. Right. Yeah. I mean, that's always the deal. That's always the problem.
Chad Ochocinco
And the running back is already out of the league. And D Hop still going. He goes to Arizona, has a great season. He's not the same D. Hop that he once was. But, hell, who is at year 12 unless you, Jerry. Yeah, right. Everybody starting to slow down. 12, year 12, 13. Ocho. If you're fortunate enough to play that long at the receiver position, Only Jerry was still putting up crazy. Jerry had 1200 yards at faulty. What, 40 year old. You know, that's gonna be play. I mean, think about it. Jenna got to be 26. You think Jenna go put up 1200 yards in 14 years from now? Hell, no.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, you.
Chad Ochocinco
People don't realize. People don't realize how long that. Oh, people don't realize how long Jerry actually played.
Shannon Sharp
Very.
Chad Ochocinco
And the numbers, you got to realize. What was that? 97. He tore his ACL the first game of the season. Came back that same season, and he caught two touchdowns against us.
Shannon Sharp
The funny thing about it is his situation is. Was. Is probably a little different than everybody else is because he was a focal point of the offense when it came to passing the ball, he was still the viable number one option. So the targets and opportunities always presented itself. Now, most of.
Chad Ochocinco
The.
Shannon Sharp
Most of the players just, you know, in this day and age, when you reach a certain age or you hit 30, you know, they start acting funny with you. Somebody else, and they'll decrease your opportunities, they'll decrease your targets, and they'll say, oh, well, you lost a step. I ain't lose nothing. Don't play with me.
Chad Ochocinco
You know, they did it to him too.
Shannon Sharp
Huh?
Chad Ochocinco
They drafted J.J. stokes and the next year, who they draft? Ocho Tyler, your boy. Oh, yeah. So it happened, you know. Hey, don't think, don't think because. Oh, you j. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They looking to replace you. They look.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
And then to put together that. A monster season. Oh, and they put together the monster season. Tio had that game against the Bears where he had 265 and 20 catches on Jerry Rice Day. The Bears say, nah, if somebody else can catch for 300 yards, get 30.
Shannon Sharp
But it won't be him. You, you ain't touching it.
Chad Ochocinco
And guess what? To your wig went crazy. Went crazy Ed, as they say. The rest is history. But it seems to me, Ocho, and we're going to talk about this a little bit with the Bengals, is that the team has all the leverage. Guys are not willing to miss a million dollars. Guys are not willing to miss 800,000. $2,000,000. Guys are not willing to miss that kind of money. Don't yo. So although they might be in the right, I have great. I have a great foundation to stand on. I need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract. I know this. You know this. If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me. So I've outperformed the contract. Compensate me. But very few guys are willing to risk. Now, I wouldn't miss the whole season. Probably I would come back eight games because I want to get accredited. Because if you missed the whole season, you lose accreditation, you don't get credit for that season. So you got to get at least eight games. Ocho, in order to get credit for the season. But Ocho guys ain't really trying to Ms. No9, 10, $12 million. So. And, and, and so that's the leverage that the, the, the teams have and they know it. They know you're not gonna miss that money. See, Jerry knows. Jerry says I, I all that off. Jerry gonna go to the bank and say, hey, check this out. I'm gonna be a little, I'm gonna be a little slow this month, so I'll probably catch y' all in October. Okay, Mr. Jones. Because they saw Jerry just got a check for 432 in March.
Shannon Sharp
Absolutely.
Chad Ochocinco
So they'll, they'll put that down the road. I can't go to my kids school, say, you know, I'm a little behind this one. Can y'.
Shannon Sharp
All.
Chad Ochocinco
No, no, no, Mr. Sharp, we're gonna need that three thousand dollar childcare. We're gonna need that fifteen thousand dollars for school, private tuition, they not. They'll give those guys the benefit of the doubt. Well, just like us, we in situations, Ocho, that we get things from financial institutions that normal people couldn't go. Do I understand? I'm not here trying to tell. You know, I'm just saying there are certain things that they'll allow us to do. Knowing who we are, knowing the financial situation that we're in, they're going to be a little bit more relaxed. But guys are just. They just can't. They just can't afford to lose, leave that kind of money on the table. And it's been going on for so long. Guys, like, they fight it as long as they can, but they do hold in. But you know, Ocho, at the end of the day, like I said, I just can't see a situation where Michael Parsons going to leave 1.3 million on the table.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, I just can't. I don't know.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey. Because think about it. 1.3 million and Texas.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, I know. But still, I. I don't know, because you're gonna. If you. If you fold here, if you fold here, then that. That's your leverage. Then you're not. You. You don't hit, you don't get another.
Chad Ochocinco
Didn't Jared tell you? We got him under contract for three more years. He has no leverage.
Shannon Sharp
He's not gonna play with him like that.
Chad Ochocinco
Did you see Jerry slide to the front of his chair when he talked to Stephen? When somebody slide to the front of.
Shannon Sharp
Their chair, they mean business. Huh?
Chad Ochocinco
Okay.
Shannon Sharp
They mean business. Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to money and you slide forward or when you're playing video games, this is very important. I know you don't play video games, but the chat can attest to this. When stuff is getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter and you slide up in your chair and get closer to the monitor, it's no time. It's go time. You mean nothing but business at that point. So. I know. I know Gary was serious. I knew he was serious, and he meant exactly.
Chad Ochocinco
He wanted to make sure Stephen a understood the seriousness of what he was saying. Yeah, we got him under contract for three more years. So he's telling you I got this fifth year option and I got two franchise tags.
Shannon Sharp
I'm not afraid that you nasty work too, though. That's nasty work. Matter of fact, to even mention that, to even say that. And no, it doesn't surprise me based on some of the comments he said previously, we're talking about? Well, just if I pay him, that doesn't mean he's gonna be available because he got hurt. What? That, that's, that, that's. That's still just you. Unbelievable.
Chad Ochocinco
Did you watch. Have you been watching the documentary?
Shannon Sharp
No, I, I still, I still ain't. I still.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay. In 19. And I think it was 96 when he did the deal outside of the NFL, because the NFL, with Nike, he did a deal with Phil Knight. Nike and the league sued him for 250 million.
Shannon Sharp
1.
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on.
Shannon Sharp
Come on.
Chad Ochocinco
For 250 million, Jerry, turn around and counter sued them for 700 million, talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at the owner's meeting, they had ignoring call, okay? Now they asked Jerry to leave because they about to talk about him. So Jerry tells the story that he got up, he gets up and he starts to walk out because he knows he can't be a part of the meeting. He said, I know, guys, you guys are suing me for 300 million and you're going to try to take my ball club. He said, I know that's what y' all going to do. He said, but I tell you what, I'm suing you for 700 million. And if I win, I'm gonna collect every effing cent.
Shannon Sharp
Wait, he talked. He talked. Wait, hold on. He got, he got. He got cajones like that.
Chad Ochocinco
He says, I know what y' all trying to do. He said, but if I win, I'm gonna collect every. I don't care how long it takes. I'm gonna collect every effing. What.
Shannon Sharp
What is. What's the cowboy documentary on? I'm not gonna watch this tonight, bro. How many, how many. How many episodes?
Chad Ochocinco
It's like eight episodes. Eight episodes.
Shannon Sharp
I gotta see that. I got. Oh, yeah, Paul Taglab, who went for that?
Chad Ochocinco
What you gonna do? Because at the end of the day, look, them owners legal fees are coming out of their pocket, right? That's why every time they like, hey, the longest something goes on, litigation goes on. Those billable hours. I know a little something about billable hours. When you start getting up there, Ocho, you start getting up there. A thousand, fifteen hundred, two thousand dollars an hour, and everything is a charge. You call a. How's it going? That's a charge. They go down there and file. That's a charge. They answer a motion. That's a charge.
Shannon Sharp
Jesus.
Chad Ochocinco
You in court, that's a charge.
Shannon Sharp
But that's a different ball game, too.
Chad Ochocinco
Jerry was saying, hold on. Jerry said, hold on. I'm doing four times what anybody else is doing, but I'm getting 1 30th of it. No more.
Shannon Sharp
Oh, that's crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
No more.
Shannon Sharp
Oh, that's crazy.
Chad Ochocinco
Look, the one thing that the NFL don't like, get sued. That's why they kind of let this, this left alone. Al said, I'm Al said, I'm going to la. Nah, Al, you can't do that. I sue you. I'll say I'm going back to Oakland. Al, you can't do that.
Shannon Sharp
I'm excited now. How did this, how did the story end with, with, with the NFL And Jerry.
Chad Ochocinco
Jerry is the only one that's not a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, when it comes to that.
Shannon Sharp
So he pockets everything.
Chad Ochocinco
Everything that the Dallas Cowboys he, the NFL said they own the logo. You don't.
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Chad Ochocinco
I, I believe that long Trey Henderson prolonged contract dispute with the Bengals has finally been resolved. Hendrickson and the Bengals have agreed to rework the contract and will provide him with an additional $14 million, bringing his 2025 salary to $30 million. The agreement expires after the 2025 season, meaning Hendrickson will have a chance to become a free agent and cash in on the open market. Unless the Bengals opt to use the franchise tag on Hendrickson next off season. I don't see that happening because you got to give him 150 raise of what he's making right now. So 150 raise is what, 33 and a half, 34 million. What's 150 raise of a 30 million?
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, I, I, I, I had like 30. I had a, I had to, I had to stand up with excitement. I had to stand up because this is very important to me. This is very important to me. We got all hands on deck right now. I know y' all love talking trash about my bangles, huh? We had the officer players playing in the preseason, huh? Because we trying to take the beginning of this season seriously. So in the back end of the season, we don't have to worry about anybody else being in control of our.
Chad Ochocinco
Destiny or the average of the top five.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, Chad, you hear me? We got Trey Hendrickson sign. Okay. I know our defense was bad last year. This is a new year. We got some new key offseason acquisitions. We have people we got in the draft and we got Trey hendrickson coming off two back to back 17 sack game seasons, right?
Chad Ochocinco
This year he gonna have 17 and a half sack season, huh? 17 and a half sack season eight. He gets 17 sacks in a game, that's gonna be a record.
Shannon Sharp
My bad. I said it wrong. You know, you know what I meant. But he gonna get 20. He gonna get 22 sacks this year. He gonna get 22 sacks this Year. And the Bengals defense, Listen to me. Stay with me real quick, okay?
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, I'm right there with you.
Shannon Sharp
We don't need. I know my Bengal fans in here. We don't need our defense to be top five, top 10. Just get us somewhere around 15 to 16. Somewhere in that area.
Chad Ochocinco
Middle of the pack. You need to be middle.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all we need. Middle of the pack. Who they? And I'm telling you what's gonna happen. I'm gonna see y' all boys in February. I' ma see y'. All. Book your tickets now. February, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you now. Book it now. Book your tickets to San Francisco right now. I don't know who we gonna play. I know one thing. The AFC north goes through, through Cincinnati. The AFC north goes to Cincinnati.
Chad Ochocinco
Franchise tag is the average of the top five. So that might be.
Shannon Sharp
Let's go.
Chad Ochocinco
TJ Water. The highest paid at 41 million. Miles Garrett at 40 million. Danielle Hunter, 35.6. Max Crosby, 35. Nick Bosa, 34 million. So you get 150% raise or the average of the top five players at that position. So he'll be somewhere around 30. I don't know. That might be about 37. Cause if you add 41, 40 might be about 36. 37. If they franchise him, I don't see.
Shannon Sharp
They wouldn't do it. Listen, we not. We not going through this again.
Chad Ochocinco
Well, if you franchise motion, all that money is on the cap because you can't. You can't prorate it, because that's just for lumps on money. It's not like a signing bonus. You can prorate over the life of the contract, three years, four years, five years. When you franchise a guy that's 30, whatever that is, that number is, that goes on the cap this year. That's a hard cap here.
Shannon Sharp
Yeah. Don't be mad. Hey, listen, I'm telling you now. I know I have Ravens fans in the chat. I know I have Steelers fans in the chat. I know I have Browns fans in the chat. I love y'. All. I love y' all dearly. You mean a lot to me, but I'm telling you, the AFC north is going through Cincinnati. Book it now. Telling you right now.
Chad Ochocinco
It's going through what you call them, it's going through Baltimore. It's going through Baltimore. Going through. 95.
Shannon Sharp
Hold on.
Chad Ochocinco
I think.
Shannon Sharp
Check your mic. Something wrong with your mic. I can't hear you.
Chad Ochocinco
95. All right.
Shannon Sharp
All right. Okay. All right. But hey, listen, you're gonna be sad you're gonna be upset. You're gonna be sad. You're gonna be upset. Who they. Who they. Who they think they gonna beat them? Bangle.
Chad Ochocinco
Who? Hey, everybody, Everybody. Everybody gonna beat them all. I know. I was saying last year. Wednesday, Wednesday. Go win another game. Windy.
Shannon Sharp
Last year, understand, we started our season off slow. We had a little blunder. We started off slow. We start out the gate 0 and 2. We lost to the Patriots. There's no reason we should have lost that game. I think if I'm not mistaken, the Patriots might have won. How many games the Patriots won last year? What, four?
Chad Ochocinco
I know they won one game for sure. I don't know how many they won after that, but I know they won one game.
Shannon Sharp
What helmet is that? Huh? You. You're a Bronco. You're.
Chad Ochocinco
You're a Bronco.
Shannon Sharp
Come on. Hey, listen. That's. That's like. That's like. You know what I was with. I was dating this girl for two weeks, and you're like. You claiming her. That's. That's what that. That's what that is. You. You're Baltimore.
Chad Ochocinco
You're Baltimore.
Shannon Sharp
Presence in rain.
Chad Ochocinco
I dated the girl for two. Two years. Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharp
That's still the honeymoon phase. That wouldn't even count.
Chad Ochocinco
That's a relationship.
Shannon Sharp
I don't even count.
Chad Ochocinco
That don't even count everything. Look at that.
Shannon Sharp
Hey, you took about two years. Two years. You don't even know each other yet. You don't even know each other yet. You still getting to know each other.
Chad Ochocinco
We went to Bali. We went. Where else? We go nowhere. Nowhere. Turks and Caicos. No, absolutely. We went to the Amalfi coast after the station.
Shannon Sharp
In two years. You taking them the type of trips five years in. Five years in for you. Hey, two years. That's Red Lobster. That's Red Lobster. That's Golden Corral. Like, that's. That's you. That's that wave. You ain't going to know Bali in only two years.
Chad Ochocinco
You know, I was. I was a big baller back in the day.
Shannon Sharp
Who they. Who they. Who they think they gonna beat them Bengals. Who they. Who they. Who they think they gonna beat them? Mango. Hey, anybody.
Chad Ochocinco
But I'm glad Trey was. He's outperformed the contract. Back to back season, had 35 sacks and back to back seasons. That doesn't happen very often. And I was glad he was able to get above.
Shannon Sharp
Yes, sir. Hey, I'm sad too, Unc. I hope we talking about this, but I'm gonna let you go. Cause I don't got to run a show in front of me, but I'm sad about one of the roster moves that happened down there in Tampa.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, we hear we go for to get. We finna get into it.
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This is an I Heart podcast.
Date: August 26, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
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This episode drops into mid-preseason NFL headlines, featuring in-depth reactions to the surprising trade of QB Kenny Pickett to the Las Vegas Raiders and dissecting the massive contract extension of Commanders star WR Terry McLaurin. The hosts, true football insiders with unique player perspectives, also discuss broader NFL business, player development, and offer vintage locker room anecdotes.
Trade Details: Browns send Kenny Pickett to the Raiders for a 2026 fifth-round pick. Raiders needed a backup after Aidan O’Connell’s injury.
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This Nightcap episode delivers real-time NFL analysis colored by insider experience and unfiltered storytelling. Pickett's journey to the Raiders is dissected from multiple strategic angles, with comparisons to Browns QB dynamics and developmental paths for rookies. The wide receiver market heat check surrounding McLaurin’s deal establishes context for current and future NFL salary trends, while a deep dive into NFL labor dynamics and high-stakes legal showdowns (starring Jerry Jones) offers behind-the-scenes business insight. The show closes amidst Cincinnati pride, pragmatic optimism, and some classic AFC North smack talk. If you want a blend of real football insight, tales from the locker room, and entertaining banter, this episode is a must-listen.