Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Micah-Jerry war HEATING UP + Jaylon Johnson joins the show!

Summary

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Episode: Unc & Ocho react to Micah-Jerry war HEATING UP + Jaylon Johnson joins the show!
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson)
Special Guest: Jaylon Johnson (Chicago Bears)
Date: August 22, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" features Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discussing hot NFL preseason topics, with a primary focus on the escalating contract war between Micah Parsons and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. They also delve into preseason performances—especially the Giants’ rookie QB Jackson Dart—and talk about the harsh realities of NFL roster cuts. The latter half of the show welcomes Chicago Bears Pro Bowl cornerback Jaylon Johnson for an insightful interview about the Bears, his development, and the mentality required for success in the league.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Giants Preseason – Jackson Dart’s Emergence

• Jackson Dart's Impressive Preseason:

  • Giants rookie QB Jackson Dart's preseason stats: 32/47 passes, 372 yards, 4 total touchdowns, 0 INTs (04:51).
  • Shannon: “He’s going to be starting sooner than you think." (04:54)
  • Ocho: Sees Dart starting next year unless Russell Wilson struggles, as he expects Russ to command the offense well (05:12).
  • Both praise Dart's poise, command of the offense, and willingness to push the ball downfield:
    • "I like guys that push the ball down the field. All that shore fishing, you ain’t gonna catch no big fish around the edge. The big fish are out deep." (Sharpe, 06:03)
  • Caution from Ocho: Preseason is not the same as regular season—the defense will be more complicated, the speed will pick up (08:42).

• Quarterback Room Debate:

  • Giants may carry multiple QBs, but likely not four due to salary constraints (13:00).
  • Discussion of backup options (DeVito, Winston); expectation DeVito will go to practice squad (13:58).

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The Harsh Reality of NFL Roster Cuts

• Empathy for Players on the Bubble:

  • Both discuss the emotional stress players face, with Sharpe reflecting on his own near-release (16:25).
  • Ocho shares vivid memories: “I would see Lippy standing there right at the door…so he collecting the playbook and letting them know to go up and see the coach.” (16:46)
  • Sharpe: “For a lot of them, the realization that this is over, something I’ve been doing since I was 7, 8 years old…my dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.” (15:14)
  • Hard Knocks made the process real for fans, showing cuts and the business side (17:21).

• Rarity of NFL Dreams:

  • Only a tiny fraction of athletes make it:
    • “You think about how many kids graduate each year from high school… Now you understand what you’re dealing with. Very small percentage.” (Sharpe, 21:16)

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Injuries & Preseason Risks

• Steelers Rookie Derrick Harmon's Injury:

  • Discussion on the inevitability of football injuries—can’t be avoided by sitting players (25:43).
  • Sharpe: “You can’t protect or stop that. You can hold someone out in preseason, you can go out there in regular season and still get hurt the same way.” (26:02)
  • Merlin Olsen quote: “Football is a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors.” (Sharpe, 26:19)

• Reflection on Playing Careers:

  • Both hosts say they’d do it all again despite knowledge of risks—“if I had the opportunity to do it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would have added some more, little seasoning, a little parsley…” (Ochocinco, 27:10)
  • Sharpe notes he'd have tried to enjoy the journey more instead of being so “tunnel vision” (28:09).

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Micah Parsons vs. Jerry Jones – Contract Showdown

• Jerry Jones’ Comments:

  • Audio played of Jerry Jones attempting to assert the Cowboys have made a top-dollar offer, but emphasizing Parsons is under contract for three more years including two franchise tags (29:14).
  • Sharpe: “[Jerry] said the quiet part finally out loud. He’s under contract this year. And I got two franchise tags. I’m not afraid to use them.” (30:34)

• Agent Dynamics and Owner Tactics:

  • Ocho: "He says a lot of things out loud that are supposed to be... remain quiet." (30:53)
  • Sharpe: Jones tried to “circumvent the agent” and do a “back alley deal… that’s bad business.” (34:48)
  • Both blame the NFLPA and the league for allowing Jerry's power moves.
  • Sharpe: “Jerry knows he’s not supposed to negotiate contracts…But the NFLPA with their weak asses allow it.” (34:51)

• Public Perception Manipulation:

  • Sharpe: Jerry is “trying to sway public opinion… put that out there, ‘hey, Micah being greedy, Micah ain’t no team player.’” (39:04)
  • Ocho: “It’s working… they eat it up not knowing that’s the game.” (39:09)

• The Escalating Price of Elite Talent:

  • Comparison to Nick Bosa, Myles Garrett contracts—price keeps rising as the Cowboys wait (36:11, 37:46).
  • Sharpe highlights guaranteed money is what matters: “I don’t care about the guarantee… See how much money is guaranteed? That’s all that matters.” (73:16)

• Should Parsons Hold Out?

  • Debate on whether Micah should hold out—Ocho says resoundingly yes:
    • “Micah ain’t no goddamn fool. Absolutely not… They will play in your face all day…” (66:22)
    • “If he shows up… ‘my back hurt, I can’t play’…Y’all want to play games, we could play games.” (68:48)
  • Sharpe: “He going to be stepping away from…a million dollars a week…” (68:27)

Notable Quotes

• "Jerry said the quiet part finally out loud. He’s under contract this year. And I got two franchise tags. I’m not afraid to use them."
  —Shannon Sharpe (30:34)
• "They will play in your face all day. Absolutely. Micah better not come back. No, sir. No, sir. Especially what the owners come out and said, and the game of mind games that Jerry’s playing too publicly…"
  —Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:22)

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SPECIAL GUEST: JAYLON JOHNSON (Chicago Bears) INTERVIEW

Bears Defense and New Culture

• Johnson credits new DC Ben Johnson (from the Lions) with setting a gritty, dominant tone—feels like “one of us talking.” (47:33)
• Message: “Not just about execute, it’s about whooping the guys in front of you, really dominating and instilling your will.”

On QB Caleb Williams’ Development

• Confirms Williams more comfortable, is a natural leader, exudes confidence despite a tough rookie year (48:49)

Leadership and Callouts

• Johnson reflects on accountability: “For me, I’m one of those guys where it’s like, if we getting beat on defense, that means I’m getting beat individually… It’s not always fair to say—it’s the scheme.” (49:54)

Lessons from Losing Close Games

• “It’s about composure and execution in the moment. At times we let the moment get too big and execution slips” (on Bears’ late game collapses, 51:47)

Goals & Preparation

• Johnson’s 2025 defensive goals:
  • 7 INTs, 3 forced fumbles, 10 turnovers, <50% completions allowed, 0 TDs allowed, ≤300 yards allowed, 7 TFLs, 3 defensive TDs (56:42)
• “I bought a Jugs machine” to work on catching: “Being a DB, you’re not really taught catching techniques and how to track the ball… You really gotta see the tip…” (57:34)
• Laughs as he catches himself after an awkward phrasing about “seeing the tip”—hilarity ensues (58:00).

DB Mindset and Poise

• On taking risks as a CB: “If you know, you know. If you don’t, you gotta somewhat play a reactionary game…” (60:22)
• On being resilient: “You gotta have amnesia. When you play corner, you gotta have amnesia because you’re gonna give up some balls…the guy’s gonna run a great route, he get paid just like you do.” (62:51)
• “For me, it’s life. Stuff gonna happen to you early, stuff gonna happen to you late, but you still got life to live. So I don’t get too caught up in it…” —Jaylon Johnson (63:30)

Top Receivers Faced (personal ranking)

• Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, Tyreek Hill, Ja’Marr Chase, CeeDee Lamb; Mike Evans “definitely gave me some problems, especially early in my career” (55:05).

Light-Hearted Moments

• Banter about Sharpe's “Thanos” (Sharpe’s dog) (53:02)
• Chad angling for Bears tickets—Johnson says, “If you need, just holla at me. We family.” (65:01)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On QB Jackson Dart:

  • “Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds. You got two choices—you can get down or get your ass out of bounds."
    —Shannon Sharpe (07:56)

• NFL Careers’ Fragility:

  • "That’s the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing."
    —Shannon Sharpe (18:51)

• Micah Parsons Saga:

  • “They will play in your face all day. Absolutely. Micah better not come back.”
    —Chad Johnson (66:22)
  • “Jerry said the quiet part finally out loud. He’s under contract this year. And I got two franchise tags. I’m not afraid to use them.”
    —Shannon Sharpe (30:34)

• On Bears Defensive Culture:

  • “It’s about whooping the guys in front of you, really dominating and instilling your will.”
    —Jaylon Johnson (47:33)

• On DB Mentality:

  • “When you play DB long enough, you’re gonna give up some passes and you’re gonna break up some passes… I gotta get them more than they get me.”
    —Jaylon Johnson (63:44)

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Important Timestamps

• Jackson Dart preseason praise: 04:51 – 09:30
• Roster cut empathy: 15:14 – 18:51
• Jerry Jones/Micah Parsons saga: 29:14 – 44:32, 65:34 – 73:28
• Jaylon Johnson interview: 46:26 – 65:28

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Tone

Conversational, animated, filled with wisdom and humor. Sharpe and Ochocinco keep it real—balancing hard truths about the NFL with entertaining banter and deep empathy for players. The guest segment with Jaylon Johnson is both candid and lively, showing off the nuanced mentality of a top NFL defensive back.

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Listeners will walk away with a detailed understanding of the Micah Parsons contract drama, insight into the emotional rollercoaster of NFL preseason, and an unfiltered look at the player mentality required for success and survival in the league.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's going to be starting sooner than you think.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's gonna learn one thing, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get your ass down them guys. You try. Hey, hey, hey. They coming. Them guys heavy and they fast.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He gonna. He gonna learn fast. He gonna learn very fast. But uncle, you have to understand. You say he gonna start sooner. Rather sooner than later.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do believe it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And. And that. That's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play well. But I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him. Listen, you put that ball in uno's hands, everything gonna be fine. Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't gonna be fine. I, I don't think there's much pressure on, on Russell Wilson and if, if they're gonna, if they're gonna give him the job. I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You don't think so?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, not the way this rookie played this preseason. And Ocho, you see the way he move in the pocket, you see the throws that he's making?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, he can move now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's nice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And one thing you and I go do, we go give credit where it's due. Now if you play bad, we gonna say you play bad. But if, hey, but if you play good, we gonna say, hey, man, get your popcorn. Watch this kid.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, his command of the offense, he's. I mean his ability to push ball down the field, his ability, he's scrambling and then all of a sudden he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back. Wham. Throws it to the back. I said, you should. You show up on rookie. Rookies don't normally play like that. He, he plays with a lot of poise. He played a big time arm. He'll throw, push the ball. I like guys that push the ball down the field. All that shore fishing, you ain't gonna catch no big fish around the edge. The big fish are out D. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm, get them rhythm. They'll start short just a bit, just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking a, taking a deep shot. I remember, I think, what was it maybe last week? It might have been last week it was third. It was third and shorter. Maybe, maybe they went for it on fourth down and he threw the goddamn deep ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Throwing it short for a touchdown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. And who, guess what? Oo who else knows that you're a rookie, that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early and you're going to stay around the shore. Decoordinators.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they telling their corner, they tell.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Them to crowd it, see it, See it. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cuz they thinking like you thinking, right? Yeah, Coach. First of all, Coach ain't gonna call anything. He don't want to get too exotic. He want to let him warm up. We going, let him throw a smoke, let him throw an out, let him throw a slant, sit hey, Edge, they go get that ball every time. But no, I, I, I love, I love what, I love what I've seen. I don't want to get. But I think Brian Dall and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not. Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean. Look, like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that, son.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds. You got two choices. You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. One of the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or we're gonna come put your ass on the car and you're gonna go in the tent because you see what happened. What happened, Ocho? Yeah, they came and got him and they put his head. Took his ass to the tent.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, but listen, based on his play this preseason. Bengals. I'm talking about Bengals. I'm thinking about my damn Mango Giants fan. Giants organization. The teammates, they have to be very pleased. Yeah, but they saw from Jackson Dart. But also, I want to be very cautious now. Very cautious now. This is. You got to understand who he was going against. Now when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, for sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's not going to be sweet. Not gonna be. Hey, it's not gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no vanilla. They gonna give you a lot. Hey, they go, hey. Oh, sure. They're gonna give you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go into basket Robbins, it ain't flavor. There's coverages you're gonna get. It ain't 31 flavors, it's 31 coverages.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, it's a different ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. It, is it. Absolutely. The intensity picks up, the urgency picks up, the speed. The coaches, all that. All that. Oh, hey, the coaches, they explaining things to you in a nice calm tone that is out the window.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, and that's what one of the coaches told me my rookie year. You know, we still cut. Just cause it's the season, that don't mean you can't get cut.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, sometimes. Guys, relax, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Whoo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Made it out of training camp. They'll cut week one all the way. Hey. All the way through week 17, 18 even. Hey, I've seen guys get cut in the post season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. It could be your day. Damn. In the postseason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, look here, man, we are. Hey. Well, look here. They don't play. Oo. Look, you know what it might have been like, it might have not have been the postseason. You know, practice squad guy or something like that. But obviously. But. But I'm talking about guy. Vet guys late in the season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, man, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike Shanahan didn't play.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't no loafing. It wasn't no walking. When he said, hey, I don't know how y' all did it, Ocho, but when we changed drills, oh, you had to get a move on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Got a little pepper. Gotta have a little pep in your step, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nobody walks but the mailman. That's why he doesn't make what you make. You run to where you gotta go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Okay. Some people don't understand that. And that's no disrespect to the mailman. Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service. Although you don't. Kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers, they dab that up, put y' all out of business. But this kid, Jackson Dart, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like what I'm seeing now. I'm like you. I want to see him against a real competition.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Hey, when you go, well, you gotta. You gotta make those alignments, those adjustments.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Defenses. I mean, linemen are stunning defense, disguising what they really want to do. And at the same time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You might think it's. You might think it's cover one, or you might think it's cover three, and all of a sudden, they go. You go to. Go to. Oh, man, it's. It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So go to quarter. They go to seven. They go to six. They go to six. Kick.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they go to cover five. Have your brain out there fried.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Clouding it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, them jokes be out there. Banjo in it. Banjo. But I. Hey, I was looking because, you know, I'll be. I'll be trying to let. Hey. Because that was Way they. They be out there doing this right here. That means they. Banjo. And that means they gonna. They're gonna double somebody. I'm like, it never really dawned on me that what the. Sick. You know, I'm just. I'm just out there like, what the hell are you doing?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or, you know, you see them do that. Locking it. Hey, so I just got a kid. I just got a kick out of that. When people say, hey, man, it don't matter. It don't matter if you know what to do. The hell you say. You. You let me know y' all gonna be a cover for us. Let me know y' all gonna be in quarters, a single high safety, a six kick. The hell, you say bad, please. But Tommy DeVito, Ocho. Tommy DeVito.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

17 or 20, buck 93. Three Tsunade Jackson dart came in six or 12, 81 yards a tub. Jameis Winston came in four, eight mop up 47 and a tun.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, we talk. We. This might be the second team. We talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks. This might be another team that might carry four.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think so, Ocho. Yeah, because you know why? Because who's. Jameis is making 4 million. Russ is making good money. Russ is making how much money, Ash? 10? 15? See, it's not like Cleveland, because what you call only making 5 million. Kenny Pickett's making what he's making, and then you got two rookies.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, so. So what you saying? What you saying? Who's the odd man out then?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so he got 1 year, 10, 5, which is probably as much as. As Flacco and Pickett making together. And then you throw Jameson's four million a year because I think he did two years, nine million. So four and a half. So you're looking at 15 million between two quarterbacks.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So, I mean. I mean, but so who.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think. You think they keep. You think they keep Tommy? Well, obviously, you know, they're not getting rid of Jackson Dark. You think they keep Tommy DeVito or they release him and try to sign him back to the practice squad?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Probably signing back to the practice squad. But I see them doing. I see them doing the same thing that. That the Browns are probably going to do for some reason. For some reason. I. I just do. And then we talk about Jameis Winston. You heard. You heard personnel or. Or was that the owner that came out and said, absolutely not. He's not going nowhere? I'm talking about James Winston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talking about Mayor John Mayer?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But great. Great locker room presence, great team guy. I knew. I knew he. I knew James wasn't going nowhere. Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But 4210, you don't want to go out on the note like that. But you know, Ocho, you and I, we talked about this early in this week, unfortunately.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of kids dreams. I say kids. The kids, they old enough to be my kids. Yeah, old enough to be. They're young. Well, let me take that back. They're young enough to be our kids. I'm pretty sure I'm older than most of their moms and dads. But with that being said, a lot of these young men dreams come to an end tonight. Some Will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the ufl. But for a lot of emoto, the realization that this is over, something I've been doing Since I was 7, 8 years old, did it at the peewee level. Did it the JV level, high school level, college level. My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition. Yeah, that's tough because this is probably the first time, Ocho, that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough. Think about it. They've always been the best.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They was their best on their Pop Warner. They was best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college. And then it's a numbers game. You're not good enough. That's the. That's the realization of oo. That's the realization of it. I mean, I. I'm not trying to be Chad. I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles. That last game, that last preseason game, and you. Your name is on the board to be released.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My name was on the board to be released.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on. Let me. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what about the last preseason game. I'm talking about when we were playing the last preseason game. I remember, I would. I would be walking in, and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was Lippy Lippincott. I'm not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I haven't. I don't know if he's still with the Bengals or not. And I, you know, I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, get my body back. Get my body back. Rejuvenated and fresh. And I would see Lippy standing there right. Right at the door and just thinking to myself, man, so he collecting the playbook and let him know to go up and see the coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Before the meetings even start, I'm like, man, that's tough, man. And then hard knocks. Hard knocks. Hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

People actually, you know, get cut and how business and that. How that side of it works. And it's Is. Is. Is as heartbreaking as sad that it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's the reality of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's reality. We got to show you both sides. You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns. The Camaraderie on the field, in the meeting rooms and things like that. But there's another side to this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That somebody. Some. Some young man, men, their dreams, this dream, it's not going to come true.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you have to reshift, refocus. A lot of it. You know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football, because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got. Where when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress. So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men. Lives. So, you know, some. You know, a structure is. Is not their strong suit because they do everything they can or should have. Buck.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Against it. But most. Most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in the structured environment for the better part of your life. And so it should be, you know, you a. If you go back and go into the workforce, the actual 9 to 5, you know, you got to be. To work at a certain time, you know, the task that you're asked to do, you just go get it done.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's the. That's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing. And that's the thing, you know, for every Ocho Cinco and a Shannon Sharpe or Sterling Sharp or somebody that. That came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That got the opportunity that you and I got. And that was far as they got, was training camp.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. That's tough, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Jalen Johnson]

It is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think it's a good thing. I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see the entire process, not just the finished product on Sundays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Actually see what players have to go through. The sweat, the tears, the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself. If not here, maybe somewhere else. If I don't make it here. No, that's tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because then also, you got to do everything you want to do. You want to be perfect, and most of the time when you press and you try to be perfect, what's the one thing you always do? You mess up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mess up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You mess up. You can. You can Never play freely. I mean, you're at your best when you're playing freely without nothing to worry about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you got to go try to learn a new office, a new defense. But here's the thing, Ocho. There's 2,000, 3,000 applicants for that four or five jobs. How many wide receivers are going to get released? How many tight ends? How many offensive linemen, how many running backs, how many quarterbacks, DBs, D, linemen, linebackers, corners, safeties. So you got 2,000 applicants, probably got 10, 15 positions.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And that, that goes to show how great the 1% is. Yeah, that. How great the 1% is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. You think about how many kids graduate each year from high school.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now think about how many of those go to college to play a sport. Now, just thinking four to five years. How many of them get an opportunity to go play at the next level in said sport? Now you understand what you're dealing with.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Very small percentage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's only, there's only a 53 man roster. Now you think about a 53 man roster of a mil of, of a million kids that graduated. So let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say a half a million of them got men.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of 500,000. When you realize how special you got to be to be a professional athlete, forget, obviously there's some, you know, obviously basketball is even harder because guess what, Ocho, you got fewer slots.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Baseball is even harder because you got few. There's only 15 spots on the, on the basketball team, Ocho. Yeah, you only got 15, but you only got 15 players.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. You're starting off. If you start defense, you got 22. That's more than an entire basketball team. Baseball, you got 29. That's 24. That's 24 less than a football team. So you see as the percentage, as the players go down.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So does the percentages of you making it. I just, I'm just telling what it is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I mean, listen. It's the harsh truth. Yes, it's the harsh truth.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Steelers beat the Panthers defensive line suffered a potentially significant loss to rookie first rounder Derrick Harmon was carted off the field with a knee injury and quickly ruled out. Mike Tomlin told reporters that he has a sprained knee and the injury is still being evaluated. I think oo that's kind of why, you know, you don't see a lot of the key guys play guys. Maybe, maybe they just didn't voice it, but did the guys did. I don't remember the coaches being concerned like that because they threw our ass out there. Ocho.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, no, they were.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They weren't concerned. They weren't concerned. And, and I mean, listen, it's football. At the end of the day, it's football no matter what. And if, if someone to me honestly the way I think if someone's gonna get hurt, they're gonna get hurt. It's inevitable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't get hurt going full speed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's a contact sport. You can protect your player all you want, but when it's time to play football, if they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt. You can't protect or stop that. You can't. Okay, I'm gonna hold you out in preseason, you can go out there in the regular season and still get hurt the same way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So you might just get out there and just play football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Ocho, it used to be football is a collision sport.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That was me. That was me and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Merlin Olson, I think once said, football is a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I was surviving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. I don't know if you saw that. I read that article that they did and when they interviewed, I think guys, was it guys that. That got drafted in 1998. In 1988. Two years. So guys that came in in 88, their average age is about 62. Ocho, all of them, something hurts, memory loss, get agitated. X, y and Z. Nine out of 10 say they do it all over again. People ask me, knowing what you know now, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, absolutely. You think I would, man, please, man, please. And that matter of fact, I'm just thinking about it. If I had the opportunity to do it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would have added some more to it. I would have added some more little seasoning, a little parsley. Oh, man. Man, I would listen. Hey, Paul Tagliabu and Roger Goodell think I gave him hell. If I not would I know now, man, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To be. If I could go back and do it over again, knowing what I know now, I would enjoyed it more.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, instead of being so serious. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was so tunnel vision. I was so focused. All I thought about was somebody taking my job, my grandmother not being able to do what she did. Not been able. That's it. I didn't enjoy the journey. I was just. I tried, but it would keep me off the destination. Yeah, I would get sidetracked. So that's what I would do different if I could do it. But obviously I can't. That's why they say you're supposed to live a life with no regret. I don't regret, but I would do. Knowing what you know now, that's the magnificent science of hindsight is knowing today what you didn't know yesterday is that I would definitely do it different. But first round pick Derek Harmon, knee injury being a value. Mike Thomas say he will be evaluated. Ocho, Jerry Jones just can't help himself. Take a listen what Jerry told Michael Irvin about the Michael Parsons situation.

[Jerry Jones]

They're in here to make their percentage. They're in here to basically, yes, Advise Micah. Advise Micah come over to the office and I'll show you exactly What I offered Michael, we got it in the back. It's with all written down, everything to go come down and look at that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would get over there, look at it.

[Jerry Jones]

You can sure. Absolute look at it. Here's my entire point. My point. Who is it that basically says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together for an agreement. But absolutely. Who is it to God that can go with. And so the facts are I don't know that I've ever been around. I've never tried to buy anything. I've never tried to do anything that I actually was going to bring all the services and somebody else was going to do all the money. But because the in between guy wasn't exactly the guy that I had fit there that kept you from doing the deal. That's exactly what's happening here so many times in this, in this industry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ojo.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you didn't hear him say is what I've been telling you. He said Michael Parsons on the contract for three more years.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that tells you he's under contract this year. And I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said the quiet part finally out loud.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Well listen, he says a lot of things out loud that. That are supposed to be. Supposed to remain quiet. I also heard some things that he said. Listen to that. I saw, I saw a clip on Twitter, Jerry Jones saying that David, how do you say his agent's last name? Said he told him he could take the contract and showed it. And I heard Ryan Clark respond to that because Ryan obviously called Dave the ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Did you tell Jerry that? And obviously he said everything Jerry's is saying it wasn't true, it was a lie. And this is one of the tactics that Jerry uses.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Which is one of the ways that he continues to fool fans in general. Just in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And he has everybody on their side by coming out and saying I gave Micah a contract that was going to make him the highest paid at his position, a non quarterback. But Jerry, at what point do owners do deals with the player? Jerry, that's not business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's not how you conduct business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. I give you a prime example, Jerry. Just like you guys have Roger Goodell. He's the mouthpiece for the owners.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We understand that he works at the behest of the owners.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I don't get mad at Roger Goodell. Everybody get mad at Roger Goodell said, man, Roger did this, Roger did Nothing. That those 32 owners didn't want him to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When he got. Cause y' all remember when he got mad at. When Jerry got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke? They had already approved his financial package. Jerry held it up. All the blank said, we already approved this. We're not. Now we're not doing this. Jerry. Jerry said, I want to know why the man. Jerry had already signed off on it. All the owners had already signed off on it that needed to sign off on it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Jerry got mad because Roger suspended Zeke.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry held a package up, and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Used to have a big six. Jerry Jones, Mr. Kraft, Daniel Snyder.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A few other guys. They kind of. That was Roger's right hand.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They kind of ran the show. They're all the owners, you know, hey, 32. But, you know, some has a little bit more influence than others.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. A little bit more power.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm not surprised. I don't know why. Jerry, Michael, that's why you have to be careful. See you go. You went in there thinking you're just a. You doing something, a little leadership. He started talking numbers. Jerry, think y' all got a deal. You just think. You guys talking about leadership and a. What you need to do to get better.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you know what? You know what's funny? You know what the owner's gonna always do? They're gonna always lowball you too, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They're gonna always lowball you. And the fact that Michael Parsons is smart as he may be. As smart as he may be when it comes to that contracts and that fine printing, that language. Well, you don't know nothing about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Ocho. If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard Sherman ended up doing it. Lamar and his mom ended up doing. I think they had an attorney, somebody read over the fine print, say, okay, this. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, that's fine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's tricky.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Michael hasn't given no indication. Well, if that's the cause, Mike, I think. If I'm not mistaken, I think he's been with athletes first since he came out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Michael's got an agent. Yeah, but you try to sort. Excuse me. You tried to circumvent the agent. So you tried. So in other words, he tried to do a back alley deal, a backdoor deal. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But you can't do that. That's bad business. Jerry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jenna, first of the NFL is the NFL and the NFL PA's fault. Because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts. He knows that. But the NFL pa with their weak asses allow it. The NFL, that. That's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll sue him just like Al Davis. Wait, so they let him do it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, Jerry or sue who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The elite.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How the hell he gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The same way. Jerry Jones is the only owner the, the only thing that he's. That he's a part of the. What they call it revenue sharing, the tv. He has his own merchandise deal. When everybody's with Coke, he's with Pepsi. When everybody with Reebok, he's with Nike.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, but he, when he running, he run his own program, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how, that's how Al Davis used to be.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, and you know what? The, the. The game that he's playing right now, it lets me know because I got his fans all over Twitter too. See. See, Jerry gonna make Micah the highest paid. And they really don't understand the game he's playing. Fans don't understand. They. No, they falling for it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me get this straight headed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because he said like, come on, man, y', all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much is. How much is a Miles Garrett guaranteed? So without even knowing, because at the time, Miles Garrett contract wasn't done, right? T.J. watt contract wasn't done. The highest pay with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you mean to tell me, sight unseen, he was willing to go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett? Miles Gary got 124 million guaranteed. What was Nick Bosa's guarantee? Because at the time. Because Nick Bosa. So Nick Bolton did Max Crosby, then the Dale Hunter. What's the, what's the total? So 140. So Miles Gary got 140 or 160, 40 a year? 124. 4 for 160. Bosa got 5 for 170, which is about 30. About 34 million a year then if my math serves me correct. Okay, I'm just.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, boy, Jerry shot out, bro. Jerry tried to hit Michael with a little banana in the tailpipe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you see what he does? You see what he did, Ocho? He put it out there like you said. And fans, look at Micah. Look what he got up there. Tbd. Ain't that what he says?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, you put up a little prayer, Micah. Micah. Seven, eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, even if I fall, I will rise. The Lord is my light.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael getting. Michael getting biblical.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hey, you know what, sir? You know it's serious when you start going to the. No, to the Scriptures here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He removed all cowboy stuff from his social.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, he did?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on, hold on. I ain't see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I know David. I know his agent a little bit. Spoke to him. I don't speak to him as much now, but I used to speak to him fairly, a fairly decent amount. This doesn't sound like him. Now, I don't want to be. I don't want to be the one that says what a person will or won't say. Ocho. But I'm just saying in my interactions with him, he doesn't come off as that type of person to me. Right, Jerry. Jerry is trying to sway public opinion. Yeah, put that out there. Hey, the public. Hey, Michael being greedy. Micah ain't no team play. Micah's not a team player because if he's a team player, he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else, blah, blah, blah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And it's working because they. They listen. They. They eating it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They eat it up not knowing that's the game. That's the. That's the game. And they, they don't. They don't see it that way. They just see it one. It's one sided because if you're a cowboy fan, you're loud fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not a Michael Parson, you Michael Parsons fan because he plays for the Cowboys. So therefore, if he goes somewhere else.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. It's. Oh, man, it's. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And Jerry knows how to play it very well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Because he's been playing it longer than Michael. Michael's 26, Jerry on the Cowboys since 1989. So that in and of itself, plus Jerry Jones has been a businessman. He knows business. That's why. That's why Micah hired an agent. You hire people that know what you don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you know, the funny thing is when it comes this kind of business with this kind of money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's not fair. It's not fair. And negotiations will expose people for who they truly are and how they really feel about you when it comes to you think your value is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, damn. That's how you really feel about me. Well, hell, Jerry already said already let Michael know how you feel about you. He said, would you. Would you send your mind. He said it out loud. He said, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, okay. What you what y' all agree. Y' all agree to Ain't no ink on no paper.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, did you realize at one point in time Google tried to sell itself Google tried to sell itself for a billion. They said, nah, we good. I think it was Yahoo said, nah, that's too much. Realized they made a mistake, came back, tried to buy them again. They said, nah. Okay. It wasn't no ink on no paper, Right? Who's that bought you met about YouTube. Who bought you? Google. Google bought YouTube. Won't yo.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For little or nothing. Google how much YouTube revenue it generates for Google every 21 days. Just Google that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, what I put.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See how much Google paid to buy YouTube now. See how much money YouTube generates in revenue and advertising.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Google acquired YouTube in 2006 for 1.6 billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, 1.6 billion. Not Google. How much advert. How much money Google generates and advertising revenue just in every 21 days.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. How. How. How much, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

265 billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Golly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yesterday'S price ain't today's price.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man. Google had a 996.5 billion fourth quarter revenue. Not the first three. The fourth quarter. That's a different world. That's a different world, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a whole different world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now. You see what I'm getting at?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, Jerry, what you thought the price was in March? His name was no new contract. That ain't what the price is in August. September. But I told you what he's gonna do. I said, ojo the problem that. That he had that. That's why the first thing I said. Get away with the franchise tag. Oh, yeah, You. You want the money to go up exponentially. Get away with the French. Get away. Do away with the franchise tax.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that should be. That should be the first thing going first. And the second should be the goddamn health. Lifetime benefits. Yep, Health benefits. And then we'll work on the guaranteed contracts last. But in that. In that specific order.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't have free agency if somebody still controls your. Right. I can franchise you. No, no. But hopefully Mike and the Cowboys get this thing worked out. He gets a. A number that he's feel comfortable. That he feels comfortable with and everybody's happy with because that's what it comes. That's what it comes down to.

[Colin Coward]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You can make a difference in someone's life, including your own, with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options and free training. They also provide paid time off and opportunities for overtime. Visit oregonhomecarejobs.com to learn more and apply. That's oregonhomecarejobs.com Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Oo we got a very special guest joining us tonight. We got two time Pro bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears, Jalen Johnson. J.J. what it do?

[Jalen Johnson]

What's up with it, big dog?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you living, man? I'm doing great, man. How are you living?

[Jalen Johnson]

I'm good. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm tired as hell.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all have practice. Y' all got a game tomorrow. Y' all game tomorrow or Saturday?

[Jalen Johnson]

Tomorrow. We in KC right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. But y' all better. It's slow boogie now.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, no, it's slow boogie. You gotta have that steak dinner though. I got that. I got the hottest. I didn't got out the shower and everything. I'm ready to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you. Oh, you ready? Ready to lay it down? Okay, let's the Bears defense. Ocho and we saw you guys the other night.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You guys were flying around. Offense looked really good. Defense was getting after people. What have you been most what has been Johnson coming over from the Lions. What has he been able to steal because instilling you guys because you guys look different. I know it's preseason and I don't want to. I don't want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys look different. You guys look different.

[Jalen Johnson]

I think the message is different. Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things where talking to him personally and listening to him in the team meetings, it's like he's one of us talking. And when he gets up there, it's not like, okay, yeah, we're gonna go out here, we're gonna execute. And it's not, it's just about whooping the guys in front of you, like, really, like dominating and instilling like, your will and I think really just preaching that, that goes a long way because, I mean, I feel like even in Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys, but they had a lot of guys that had grit, as they like to say over there, and guys that worked hard, that are tough and things like that. So it's like him, that, that, that fits him. So just really coming for us. And I mean, even Dennis Allen, he, he's telling defense damn near. We live every day in practice. So just really that mentality, as far as going and playing physical, it's like really just honestly overdoing it really is the thing that we, we think of really in, in the defensive room and really what we say is like total line toe the line between going too far and, and really pushing the limits.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Have you, have you been able to tell the difference in Caleb Williams, the way he commands the offense, the way he's playing with Ben Johnson after him calling the plays? Is he, is he carrying himself with a little bit more confidence as opposed to how he did last year? Can you, can you sense that a little bit in camp?

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, for sure. I think really before camp, Con coming in, of course, off the rookie year, it was, it was tough. The losing streak, the instability and all the drama that came with, of course, this first year. So, I mean, really just coming into that second year, having all that adversity really under your belt, there's really no worse that you can do. I feel outside of what, what happened with us, I feel like just really for him going back to the drawing board, getting better and then just coming to the building ready to work. But I mean, for him, it's always, he's always been confident. I think it's that, that that's not something that's ever going to change. I think it's just now about execution.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jay, you wanted a few vets last year that you called out your teammates. You didn't just say put it all on the coaches. You put it on players. Also you said, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't, you can't make him drink. Yeah. You know, some of these guys lack motivation. What were you trying to say? Without Calling out any specific names? What message were you trying to get across to your teammates? Like, they're put, look, he's probably. This coach is going to lose his job. But if. Guess what? If you guys don't pick up your plate, if you don't get better habits, the next coach gonna come in here, he'll lose his job too.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, no, that's exactly what it is. And I feel like a lot of times guys get in the league. Oh man, this coach is this man. They. They playing me and they doing. It's like, nah, it's you. Like for me, I'm. I'm one of those guys where it's like, if we. Not if we getting beat on defense, that means I'm getting beat individually. That means we all getting beat collectively as a unit. It's not necessarily the scheme and not we had bad eyes and the dude, we let a guy go free or I didn't win my match or whatever it is. I don't think it's always fair to say now there's damn some coaches that can put you in bad positions. But I think for me, my biggest thing was always look at yourself first. And for us, I feel like we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything. I feel like after practice that'll tell you really what you have in a team. How many guys are catching 100 plus passes on jugs? How many guys are working on technique? How many D linemen are doing their pass rushing drills? How many receivers are working on releases with the dbs? To me, all that goes without having to be told to you. So I think for me, that's my biggest thing is like, nah, we can't call somebody else out for. We call ourselves out. We gotta look at us and then put the work in individually and then we can start pointing the finger somewhat to everybody else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm looking at you guys, man. Last year you guys had some. You guys lost some close games. I mean, you had. You literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I don't know how you guys did it. You had to get. You guys had a game where I was like, oh, bad. The Bears don't got this one a few times. So let me ask you a question. Like when you on the field at Washington and you like, man, ain't no way he can throw this ball this far. Okay? But if he does, we gonna knock it down, right? Or you see a situation where you have several games that you guys were winning late in the ball game and you end up losing, Right? How frustrating Is that when a team young like yourself trying to win, but seemingly find ways to lose.

[Jalen Johnson]

I know Washington, that one still hurts me because they show it all the damn time. It's hard to run from that one. All the other ones you kind of can forget about. But I think just really in that moment, it's about maturity in having that composure. I feel like it's really just about composures. I feel like at times we let the moment get too big and the execution slips. I feel like even on the Hail Mary, of course, my dog wasn't locked in on the other side, but I feel like even before that, I feel like there's some things that we could have been locked in and focused on in that moment, practicing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, y' all let that man get out of bound. Throw that twin yard out, right? I ain't gonna go. Go ahead, Jake.

[Jalen Johnson]

But it's really just stuff like that, even late in the game. I know we had. I think it was a close game with Green Bay, before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams, of course, divisional games. But I think it really just comes down to that poise in the moment, that poise and executing when it comes down to it. Because, I mean, I feel like again, every team goes over situational ball. It's not something that. That is a lack of knowledge. It's just really a lack of poison execution in that moment. But that comes with experience, so hopefully we don't keep having those same mistakes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Looking at your offensive line, they rebuilt the office.

[Jalen Johnson]

What you got going on, big dog?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is Thanos. Say hello.

[Jalen Johnson]

Spanos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thanos.

[Jalen Johnson]

Thanos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Jalen Johnson]

For that little bitty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said. Hold on, hold on. What you trying to say, Jay? What you tried to say?

[Jalen Johnson]

That's all right. He gonna get bigger or he gonna stay that side?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, this is it.

[Jalen Johnson]

All right, Come on. I don't know what you got going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is big. The big one upstairs. He in his pen. He's sleep.

[Jalen Johnson]

Understood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Do you think you. You see I'm offensive line. That's my point. I look at what you did offensively, you guys went and got three, I look like, I think three new starters to protect Caleb Williams. You draft the tight end in the first round to go with Cole, commit with DJ Moore, you got. I mean, Zacchaeus, you got guys at Roma du, your first round draft pick. Offensively, you guys should be better. But you do realize, Jay, if the offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take a step back. You have to meet them where they are.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, for sure. That I think too for us in Chicago, we a defensive city. So I mean they mean us where we at quite often.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, that's what's up.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, no, no, no, we ain't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We.

[Jalen Johnson]

We not worried about massive matching them and what they're doing. So I think for us just really just keeping that. That's our, that's our culture. I mean, tough, gritty Chicago ball. I mean, it starts with the defense, so we're not really tripping. I mean, Dennis island leading a hell of a. Hell of a defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coach, you can call it defense now.

[Jalen Johnson]

I love me some D A right now. He ain't, he ain't. He ain't rubbed me wrong yet. So I, I love Da Al Harris, of course, is the DB's coaching teaching us and really showing us how to take the ball away. So I mean for us on defense, we. We're not worried about setting that, setting that standard. We're going to push the bar a little bit.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey listen, you being one of the better man to man DBs in the NFL, right? I'm ask your. Your opinion on who you think the top five receivers are in the game right now in the most difficult challenge for you to cover so far.

[Jalen Johnson]

Top five, I feel like top five, you got to put some details on. Is it just skill? Are we going off production how you want to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, I mean like it's kind of.

[Jalen Johnson]

It's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You fake. What about the ones you face? Let's go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let's go. The guys you face, you could, you could, you could take your top five based off those you face.

[Jalen Johnson]

I would say no order. I would say Justin. I'd say A.J. brown. I go to Rekill. That's three that I faced.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if you see Almond Rock. Cause he's mainly in the slot.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, I would say it's. It's tough. Cause he's good. I think for me, I don't, I just don't get enough reps against him. Jamar, I only seen it when he was a rookie early in the season, so I haven't really seen. Seen him. But I would still throw Jamar in my top five for sure. Four or not four or five, this would be. I probably just. I would say CD Lamb is my. Is. Is. Is in my top five. I know as far as covers, I would throw Mike Evans in there. He's definitely giving me some problems, especially early in my career. Yeah, those will probably be the hardest guys on top of my top five in general.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, that's dope. Listen, I, I know you have your team goals. You know what you want to do defensively. Are you, Are you allowed to, To. To tell us any individual goals you might have for this season?

[Jalen Johnson]

Oh, yeah. That ain't against no rules from what I said.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. I know some people, Some people don't. Don't want to disclose, you know, what their individual goals are. So, I mean, I, I just.

[Jalen Johnson]

Nah, I'm all. Yeah, no, I'm all good. I gotta memorize now. I know I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumbles. I want to have 10 turnovers, 50. 50 completion or lower than 50, no touchdowns allowed. And then what was my last one? What was my last stat? I think I was like seven or so TFLs. And then it's like I'm missing one more. I think it was 300. No more than 300 yards given up in the season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Defensive score, pick six, scooping score.

[Jalen Johnson]

Oh, three touchdowns. That was the last one. That was the last one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three touchdowns. Hey, what did you do? You said, what did you, what did you do different this year to make those goals a reality?

[Jalen Johnson]

I bought a jug machine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Jalen Johnson]

Bought a jug machine for sure. Definitely was getting my catches in. And it's crazy because it's like being a db, you don't. You're not really taught catching techniques and how to track the ball, what part of the ball to track to. Look at, you just kind of just go out there and catch it. But it's like when I was on the jug, seeing it, we're kind of looking at different things. I'm like, nah, you really gotta see. See the tip. Like, you see the tip. You, you, you pause.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad you called that one. You notice Ocho and I ain't say nothing. I wasn't saying a word. Do you clean that up? Cuz. I'm sorry.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, that told me that. Hold on, hold on. Seeing the point. Seeing the point of the football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jalen Johnson]

It helps you. Yeah, it helps you. It helps you catch it a lot better. You can see you can catch it. So I think for me, that's been the biggest thing. Getting reps at that. And then really everything else is always working on technique, make sure I'm in position. But other than that, it's really just a mind, a mindset going and seeing the ball and the balls and air going to go get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I think the thing is that you have to think because as a db, you're taught to knock the ball Down. You have to retrain the way you think you got, like, I got to go catch it. Catch this ball. As a receiver, we're taught you'll catch it. We ain't trying to know. I mean, obviously if the ball is about to be intercepted, we, we talked to knock it down, but you're more mainly taught more so to knock it down than catch it. So now you have to retrain yourself. You see guys that get a lot of picks. You see like a, like a Dion or Rod Wilson. They like. No, no, no, no, no, no. Did you play wide receiver? Were you ever at any point in time, did you play high school?

[Jalen Johnson]

I had a little package or something, but I was, I played defense. I was always a defense as a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Specialist because most guys like play quarterback was a wide receiver or something, right? That was, that was a db. So they used crazy.

[Jalen Johnson]

It's a lot easier to catch on offense than defense. I promise. It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Jalen Johnson]

And, and I don't know why, but I feel like, like when I play receivers, like, it was easy to, like, I didn't really drop too many passes, but when I got on get on defense, I feel like it's a lot, it's a lot different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because you, and you do realize on offense, when the ball's coming your way, we're actually trying to throw it to you when the ball cover your way.

[Jalen Johnson]

No doubt, no doubt.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I, I, I got, I got one more question. One more question. Normally, normally playing db, obviously I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of, of DB play. How do you know when to take chances? When you know what's coming? Based on alignment by, based on tendencies that you see watching film, how do you know when to take those chances? So basically think about Asante Samuel film. You already know I'm going with it. And yeah, yeah, interceptions, he would always jump stuff because. Okay, I know I, I saw this, I saw this on film. I know how you know when to take those chances and when not to.

[Jalen Johnson]

Honestly, I feel like it's honestly as simple as that. I feel like if you know, you know and I fight if you don't, then you got to somewhat be play reactionary game from there. But I think a lot of times when you, not even when you study, when you look at the game. And for me, I've learned this as I've gotten older in the game. It's like the offense is based on timing and spacing. So it's like if you can understand their formations and the spacing that they're in. And you can get your read on the quarterback to get in the timing of the routes. Because, I mean, you're not going to get a three step and he's running a nine ball. I mean, that he's probably not going to get the ball there. Depending if. If you're playing off, man, at least.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If you're playing off.

[Jalen Johnson]

So it's like really matching it up to where it's like, okay, if I can read the quarterback, get my three step read, he's either got a hitch, he got a slant, and really that's about it. So it's like I have no. Really no need to move. I think the biggest thing is the confidence in. I don't even say jumping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Believe in what you see.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah. And taking it away, I think, because when you sit there and you see that guy running full speed, and I know receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard, but you're really not going deep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Jalen Johnson]

It's like you got to be confident in yourself to where it's like, nah, I know this is. This is fake. I'm about to go. Or I'm just wait on it and then just really go from there. I think watching more filming, like even watching Dig, since we got Al over here, it's like he wasn't taking chances. He just seen it. Yeah, like he would just see the quarterback. He would. I mean, he would get a good read on it, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. That's y' all DB coach now.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Mo.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, he over here with the good guys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, man, Ally said, what's up, man?

[Jalen Johnson]

I will, I will. He told me he put paws on you back in the day.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What kind of Paul? What kind of Paul? You talk about these n. Well, he must be tripping. Go turn.

[Jalen Johnson]

He a say that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He said that film on that. I don't want no eight hours. Nice though, boy.

[Jalen Johnson]

Hey, J.J. yeah, yeah, I know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, him and Mike McKenzie when they was in Green Bay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, the Dreads. Yeah. Hey, Al would take a chance now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you ready to play with Al? You remember Seattle, where they say, hey, the quarterback called heads. Oh, and we gonna score. Al said, no, you're not.

[Jalen Johnson]

I'll tell you that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's the other way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah. Nah, I love having Al. It's for sure that ball mentality. Especially like when you see three step, he damn near get mad at the dbs when ain't driving the three still. We ain't driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's all about really getting those reads and having confidence right as you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do realize, like, the corners, you guys live on an island. 100 is you and that guy. It's mano a mano. That's. That's the matchup. And a lot of times you ain't got no help. You gotta have. You gotta have amnesia. You play corner, you gotta have amnesia because you're gonna give up some ball. Guy's gonna run a great route. He get paid just like you do. He's studying Jalen just like you studying him. How are you able to block it out? You give up a touchdown or you give up a big play. How you able to block it out? Like, okay, that happened. Especially if it's early. Cause knowing that you got three and a half quarters left to play.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yeah, I think for me, it's life. I feel like db Playing DB for me is just another area of life for me. As far as stuff gonna happen to you early in life, stuff gonna happen to you late in life, and it's like, you still got life to live. So, I mean, for me, I don't get too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Jalen Johnson]

I don't get too caught up in it. It's like at the end of the day, when you live long enough, you're gonna mess up and you're gonna do some good things. When you play DB long enough, you're gonna give up some fast and you're gonna break up some passes. So I think for me, it's really as simple as that. I think. I know Medea said in one of her movies or in one of the movies, I gotta get them more than they get me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Jalen Johnson]

So, I mean, I feel like that's really the. That's really the name of the game, I think, honestly, is just trying to not get. Got as many as less as you can and then get them more as much as you can, but it's really that simple. I think, too, especially when you're going against top guys. I mean, I. I personally got a gauntlet this year with all the receivers I'm going to see. So it's like I'm enjoy. I mean, yeah, they gonna catch some passes, but again, for me, as long as I win more than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel like I'll be good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, good luck this season, man. Stay healthy. Thanks for joining us, Jay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He leaving already?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Jalen Johnson]

What's up, y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all at home? Week one.

[Jalen Johnson]

Yes, sir. Monday night. You gonna pull up, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matter of fact, you know what? I gotta be. I gotta be at. At the sports book at Ricky on Sunday. No, that's what I forgot.

[Jalen Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I got week one. I met the sports book on Sunday at Wrigley Field, so I'm gonna.

[Jalen Johnson]

So you're gonna be at the game on Monday, though.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I'll stay if you can get me. If you give me a ticket, I'll.

[Jalen Johnson]

Get whatever you need. You just holla at me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I really gotta be there. Oh, no, no. It's for kings. I really gotta ass.

[Jalen Johnson]

No doubt. Tell your people. Hit my people, and I'll take care of you. We family.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right, Bet. Hey, I could come on the field and stuff and get autographs and stuff.

[Jalen Johnson]

Hey, man, it's all. It's you. It's you, man. I'll talk to my people.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let's go.

[Jalen Johnson]

I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right, Bet.

[Jalen Johnson]

All right. I'm a holla at y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, jbag, Stay healthy, man. Good luck this season, man. We'll chat down the road.

[Jalen Johnson]

No doubt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears.

[Jalen Johnson]

He.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He nice, too, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe. Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parsons leverage. His leverage is they can't win without him. Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're going to be able to slow anybody down. Now, what the Cowboys are going to do, you think they. You think. You think. I know the answer to that. But the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up for Michael Parsons. Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts. Emmett held out, lasted two days before Jerry came to his senses. They went.02, they got Emmett back, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think Emmett led the league in Russia that year. Should we expect a holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael Parsons gets his money, or does he come in and play in good faith?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Who come and play in good faith?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Micah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, Micah ain't no goddamn fool. Absolutely not. I told you they would always use that against you. If they know you're a fool because you love the game of football, they'll play. They're playing your face all day. They will play in your face all day. Absolutely. Micah better not come back. No, sir. No, sir. Especially. Especially what the owners come out and said. And in the. The game of. The game of. Of mind games that Jerry's playing too publicly. Talk about your agent, you talk about the player. Oh, hell, no. I'm not coming back. Absolutely not. Well, what. What's the point? What's the point? In paying him, he might miss games like he did last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That still irk you that he said that, huh? Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, how do you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm still can't. I. Like, how do you say something like that about your player? That's something that you think that you don't want to say to yourself. Like, damn, I paid him all this money, and now he's on the sideline hurt. You don't say that out loud.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You speaking stuff into existence.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, I mean, man, but y' all all you lucky. You know what? I'm gonna win me some good money, and I'm gonna go buy the Cowboys. You laughing. I'm gonna go buy the Cowboys. And me. You gonna run it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You never know. You never know. Never. Never say never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That right there. Oh, that's tied to his whole identity, even when he dead and gone. Former Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. So we. Hey, we might pull our opinions together and get something that. Get it on something else. Oo, but the Cowboys ain't it. Look, that's. That's. That's something that you sit down and talk with your agent how well you've done with your money that you could withstand $20 million. So that's basically a million dollars a week he'd be stepping away from.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, you got to step away. You can stay right there. You stay right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't gonna play in the game. He gonna play in the games.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if you don't play in the games, you don't get paid back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Spasm. That's all right. He hurt. He in. He there. He's under contract, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. Long as. If he shows up. Oh, my back hurt. I can't play. Y' all want to play games? We could play games. Oh, he gonna get paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That boy. That'd be an ugly situation.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, Jerry make it ugly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't say I disagree with you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, I mean, he. I'm. Listen, Jerry want to play hardball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He does.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I don't know why j. I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know why he waits the week before the season. We saw it with CD we saw it with Dak. We see it with Zeke. Emmett missed two games. The difference was Emmett didn't have a contract. See, Emmett did not hold out. Emmett didn't have a contract at all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

At all?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Oh, okay, okay. So. So.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn. Just think about that man. Wow. We. Boy, if I. If I own the Cowboys, I'm telling you, boy. Well, but we have. We have a Super bowl every year. But I'm spending everything for. On everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need to start playing the lottery. Then I'm gonna start. They don't have. They don't have a lot of. Right here in Vegas because they got casinos, and they don't want you playing the lottery. They want you to go to casino.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They want you to double dip. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't want anything that's gonna take money out of the casino pockets.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So, yeah, the Cowboys fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They deserve. They deserve. They. They deserve this, man. They deserve a reason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They deserve misery.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, no, they pain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I see you remember what club leg told Rocky? They say, what do you see for about Mr. Balboa? Pain.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what It's. It's tough. It's tough because Mike has been an All Pro. He's been defensive rookie of the year. He's been all those Pro Bowls that he's been to, and Jerry has compensated him for that. Now he's saying, jerry, I've outplayed that contract.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Based on what I believe I'll be the next four to five years. This is what I need accordingly. Now, maybe it was. He's gonna make him the highest paid now. You got to make him the highest paid again, which is more than what T.J. watt got, more guaranteed money. Said, I'm gonna. He said, Michael said, I need like, 150. What? I mean, I tell you what. You know what? I'm nice. 135 guaranteed. I need like 180. I need like. I need like four years. 220.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you know what's funny? When I think about it, too. And Jerry think he's slick, trying to make it seem like he was going to pay Michael Parsons and have him the highest paid. But it was before Myles Garrett contract. It was before T.J. watt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

T.J. watt.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It was before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And before you got Chase.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matt Crosby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, before Chase. So it wasn't gonna be in the 40. So now, hey, bro, that thing at.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

42, 43, it wouldn't have been no good. It would have been good. No disrespect to those that are watching. I'm just saying in terms of the type of player and caliber which Michael Parson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

To be paid, it wouldn't be no good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he young, baby. He 26, baby.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's crazy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

26 years of age. Yeah, I need all that, Jerry. I'm Sorry, I need. I need go. I tell you what, Jerry. Hey, five. Give me five or 250. Damn. Five or 250. I don't want but 100. I don't want but 140. 150 guarantee.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, so the 250 just. Just to make it look good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like that. I don't care about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jerry. You give me 5 for 500 million, but I need 150 of it fully guaranteed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, I like that all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care about that fluff. You see they put all that. You see all the plate that the plate be all designed. They got all that stuff drizzle like that. Does it taste good up under. What's up with all that drizzle? Does it taste good?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, all that fluff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I see how much money is guaranteed?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's all that. Hey, that's all that matters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all I need to know what I'm gonna see.

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