Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Notre Dame-Miami, Dak SURPRISED by Micah trade

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho React to Notre Dame-Miami, Dak Surprised by Micah Trade

Date: September 1, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" on Club Shay Shay centers on the pulse of college football and major NFL storylines. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson react in real-time to Miami’s upset over Notre Dame, analyze key player performances, and deep-dive into NFL contract drama—specifically the surprising trade of Micah Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys and how it shocked Dak Prescott. Blending sharp analysis, humor, and personal anecdotes, they bridge sports culture, business, and legacy in both college and pro football.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Miami Upsets Notre Dame (02:35–11:41)

• Game Recap: Miami Hurricanes topple the #6 Fighting Irish 27-24, their first top-10 win since beating Notre Dame in 2017.
• Carson Beck’s Performance: Miami’s new QB, a high-profile transfer, throws for 205 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs. ("Clean game, no interceptions" – Chad, 04:53).
• Notre Dame’s C.J. Carr: Shows promise (19/32, 221 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT) but leaves coach Marcus Freeman with questions.
• Momentum Swings: Miami nearly gave up a 21-7 lead—discussion on coaching philosophy (to stay aggressive or go conservative) and game management.
  • “I've always felt it's easier to play from behind...because you throw caution to the wind.” – Shannon (06:44)

Notable Quotes

• Chad: "The defense did what they supposed to do...what did you like about what you saw from the U?" (05:50)
• Shannon: "They don't look like the Hurricanes of the early 2000s...but they look good." (09:12)

2. Nostalgia, HBCUs, and College Experience (12:09–17:12, 21:40–23:25)

• Tradition of Alumni Returns: Shannon reminisces about the power and motivation of seeing former greats return to college sidelines.
• HBCU Memories: Extended, personal segment where Shannon reveals he always wanted to attend FAMU, sprinkled with friendly ribbing from Chad.
  • “Once football season ends, I'm enrolling myself back in school at FAMU to finish...” – Shannon (15:31)
• Cultural Roots: Both hosts reflect on their families’ ties to HBCUs, college band culture, and how these communities shaped and inspired them.
• Plans for the Future: Shannon aims to finish his degree and join FAMU’s band, relishing the chance to fulfill a lifelong dream in his "second half."

3. Reflections on Legacy, Family, and Success (23:25–26:47)

• On Graduation: The emotional importance of eventually "walking across the stage."
  • “To walk across the stage and have your family scream your name...” – Chad (23:25)
• Generational Success: The meaning of seeing their children graduate, and balancing giving kids better opportunities with making sure they still experience some struggle to "build calluses."
• Wealth and Giving Back: Humorous exchange about how Shannon would split a hypothetical Powerball jackpot among his children, co-hosts, followers, and charitable causes.

4. Mega Churches, Tradition, and Gospel (27:15–34:41)

• Mega Churches: Discussion of massive congregations (60K–85K members); skepticism about "prosperity gospel."
  • Shannon: “I don't believe in church members suffering while the pastor's living great.” (28:20)
• Nostalgia for Old School Gospel: Fond, emotional moments as both relive their childhood church and gospel music experiences, celebrating singers and choirs that shaped their foundations.
  • “I want that old traditional good gospel...” – Shannon (31:14)

5. Miami & College Football Schedule Analysis (35:25–39:35)

• Miami’s Remaining Schedule: Chad outlines upcoming games, including the big Florida State matchup, and both hosts debate the likelihood of Miami "running the table."
• Other CFB Results: South Carolina’s big win over Virginia Tech; praise for standout players like big WR Nick Harbor and QB Lenore Sellers.
• Florida State-Alabama Fallout: Discussion about FSU’s QB Tommy Castellano’s trash talk (“Nick can’t save them”) and subsequent merchandising.
  • Shannon (39:11): "The fact that Castellano said that before week one...and then went out there and backed it up and did it, man, please."

6. College Football Economics & NIL Reality Check (40:41–46:16)

• NIL Drama: Analysis of Nico Iamaleava's transfer from Tennessee to UCLA, and how taxes and decision-making led him to actually make far less despite the higher ask.
  • "Sometimes you think the grass is greener on the other side...You got comfortability right there in your backyard." – Shannon (44:14)
• Chad’s Tax Break-down: The hosts explain how state taxes and NIL can be confusing and costly. California’s high taxes mean many student-athletes lose a bigger chunk ("California coming to get theirs!" – Chad, 46:00).

7. NFL: Micah Parsons Trade & Dak Prescott’s Reaction (46:16–63:34)

• Micah Parsons Trade Fallout: Reports of locker-room tension, surprise at the trade, and lingering questions over Parsons’ locker-room reputation and podcasting activities.
  • “I knew this podcast would cause an issue.” – Shannon (48:08)
• Dak's Perspective: Dak was surprised, frustrated by the distraction ("You’re not asking me about the game, you’re asking me about Micah’s contract," – Dak, as paraphrased by Shannon, 51:06).
• Jerry Jones' Approach to Contracts: The hosts dig deep into Jerry Jones' pattern of negotiating, alleging ego interference and unfair practices with Parsons’ agent while dealing smoothly with other players’ representation.
  • “Jerry’s ego wouldn’t let him work with Micah’s agent, because I’mma show you, I do what I want.” – Shannon (52:04)
• NFL Contract Structure: Detailed, inside-baseball discussion on four-year vs. five-year deals, guaranteed money, and players getting their "bite at the apple." Players must not leave money on the table for billionaires.
  • Chad (61:44): “You don’t give no billionaire no discount. You a millionaire.”

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Timestamped Memorable Moments & Quotes

• 06:44 – Shannon: “I've always felt it's easier to play from behind than with a lead—you can throw caution to the wind.”
• 09:12–09:51 – Shannon & Chad: Discussing Miami's talent: "Ain't no Andre Johnson’s running around there…but I like what I saw."
• 15:31 – Shannon: “When football season ends, I'm enrolling myself back in school at FAMU…get my degree.”
• 23:25 – Chad: “That's the best part…to walk across the stage and have your family scream your name.”
• 28:20 – Shannon: “I don't believe in church members suffering while the pastor's living great.”
• 31:14 – Shannon: “I want that old traditional good gospel…like I'm listening to Reverend James Cleveland.”
• 39:11 – Shannon: “Castellano said that before week one…then went out there and backed it up.”
• 44:14 – Shannon: “Sometimes you think the grass is greener on the other side…comfortability right there in your backyard.”
• 48:08 – Shannon: “I knew this podcast would cause an issue…You lose, they gonna say get your ass off the podcast and practice.”
• 52:04 – Shannon: “[Jerry Jones’] ego wouldn’t let him work with Micah’s agent…do what I want.”
• 61:44 – Chad: “You don’t give no billionaire no discount. You a millionaire.”

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Natural Chemistry, Tone, and Final Thoughts

True to the Nightcap spirit, Shannon and Chad bring out the nuances of football—from the gridiron to the negotiating table—with their signature mix of wit, storytelling, and real experience. Their passionate takes, emotional tangents about family, church, and legacy connect with listeners beyond the scoreboard. Whether breaking down NIL technicalities, remembering church choir highs, or hammering NFL contract realities, their banter is relatable and always genuine.

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Miami vs. Notre Dame Recap: 02:35–11:41
• HBCU & College Experiences: 12:09–17:12, 21:40–23:25
• Legacy and Family: 23:25–26:47
• Mega Churches & Gospel: 27:15–34:41
• Miami’s 2025 Schedule: 35:25–39:35
• FSU-Alabama & NIL Economics: 39:35–46:16
• Micah Parsons/Dak/Cowboys Contracts: 46:16–63:34

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Listeners are treated to real talk—on the field, in the classroom, and at the negotiating table—from two football legacies who aren’t afraid to get personal or go deep.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch the number 10 Myra Hurricanes take down the number 6 fighting Irish in Notre Dame by the score of 2724. The question we're going to have to ask is the you back we shall see as the weeks in college football progress. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharpe. Y' all see my partner, co host, that's Liberty City's own in his Nightcap D Bengals ring of Fame honoree, the Pro bowl of the All Pro Maddings Ratings adjuster. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you you get your podcast from. Go check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock and if you can't find it in a state or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe, but it is the best tasting premium BSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself. You will not be disappointed. We also have a commemorative edition of Cheball La Portier to commemorate commemorate my brother going into the Pro Football hall of Fame. We are the first two brothers elected into the Pro Football hall of Fame and I thought it'd be really neat to do something to symbolize this great achievement. And that's what we did. You can see it on your screen. Right here is he and I together with the hall of Fame bus and it is a great keepsake and it's a part of history. So order yours online right now. Just head over to laportierconac.com to grab yours while you still can. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84 with 84 being spelled out. That link is in the chat. We've got a new show launching under Shay Shay Media umbrella, the Deebo and Joe Show. James Harrison and Joe Hayden please go subscribe to their YouTube page. The Deebo and Joe There'll be Monday, Tuesday and Friday mornings at 11am Eastern. Tomorrow is their very, very first show, so please show him some love. That's Debo and Joe, James Harrison and and Joe Hayden. They link up for their very first show tomorrow at 11am Eastern Time. Should be fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Miami Hurricane take down the number six fighting Irish to Notre Dame 27 24. This is Miami's first win against the top 10 team since beating Notre Dame in 2017. Carson Beck, the guy they paid $4 million for through two touchdown passes. He was 20 or 30. Two hundred and five yards, two touchdowns, clean game, no interceptions. Irish may have found their quarterback, C.J. carr, but tonight's performance will leave Mike Marcus Freeman with plenty of other questions to answer. Oh yeah, Carr had was 19 of 32, 21. Two touchdowns, one interception do you within control of this game, Ocho? I thought they would like going to put it away 24 to 14 and the next thing you know you turn around and the score is 24, 24. But giving you credit, they put the drive together late in the ball game, got a field goal and then turn it over to the defense and the defense did what they supposed to do. Oo what did you like? What did you like about what you saw from the youth?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, you look very good. I obviously I was really. I was really worried about the quarterback position. How was Carson Beck going to look? How his was is his resurgence away from Georgia? How's he going to look in that University of Miami uniform? And keeping us. I'm no, excuse me, let me not say us keeping University of Miami program where it needs to be. Where Cam. Cam Ward left him. They were in good hands.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now based on what I saw today, they're still in good hands. Small sample size, weather a little bit. I thought games were going to run away with the game uncle. When it was 21 7.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Mr. Freeman and Carr and that offense found a way to get themselves back in the game and make it a little bit more interesting.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Very good. Very interesting game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It didn't have to be that close. But for some reason, coaches always have a way of calling, calling a conservative game to allow the other team to get back in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, I think they give breaking towards the end. You don't want to do anything reckless. I understand. Because here's the thing. Think about 28 3. Kyle Shanahan called the game like he'd always been calling it. Now people say why you ain't run the ball? Why you didn't get conservative? You get conservative and lose. People like, well, why you get conservative, you stay aggressive and you lose. People call you a bonehead. It's a very fine. It's a very fine line that you have to walk. And if you do something and you turn the ball over. I called a game, but I didn't call no turnovers. So you can't put that on me. You know, somebody misses a block, somebody misses an assignment or something like that, don't you? A drop pass on third down. Now you're getting off the field. I've always felt it's easier to play from behind than it is with a lead because you throw caution to the wind when you're behind. What do I got to lose? Ocho? I'm already down. I'm down 14 points. I'm down 1721 points. I don't have a damn thing to lose. Everybody's already written me off. So I can throw caution to the wind, I can run a triple reverse, I can own side kick you, I can do whatever because there is no expectation at that point in time because I'm down but by double digigit scores. And so I, I understand to a certain extent, but I thought Miami tonight, I thought they made plays. I thought the one hand touchdown grab oo with a guy thought he had an interception. And that's what you have to have if you're going to get to where you want to go. You're going to have to have guys to make plays on both sides of the ball. I love what Bane Jr. Did at the defensive end. He thought he had it one time. He, he got the ball away on second down. Bane said, come here, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you again. And got him again. And. But as a quarterback, you know, you can't take a sack in that situation. You got no timeouts and all you receivers are way downfield. So by the time you get them back, take.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen. And also as a quarterback, he's a young, He's a young quarterback. Very good. Two cars, very good. He surprised me. He surprised me tonight. You also have to know in that situation, the defensive ends, they got the ears peering back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they're coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ears pinned back. Yeah, they come. They coming right away. So you got to do your two tackles some justice and being able to maneuver in that pocket right away, understanding that them boys coming straight up field right away. Other than that, Marcus Freeman and that Notre Dame team, they're going to be all right. They are going to be. Going to be all right. University of Miami, Them boys look good. I know, I know. Right now outside tonight, un. Even with the rain going on, boy, good old time. They don't look like the Hurricanes of the early 2000s.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They got that level of talent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But they look good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They look good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They look good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Ain't no Andre Johnson's running around there, you know, no Clinton Porters, no Frank Gordon, no Willis McGahey. No shockies. You know who else was on that team when you look at that? Antrell Row, Ed Reed, John Taylor. Yeah. You know, William Brad and you, those two linebackers. And so. So. But I. But I like what I saw. Miami head coach Mario Cristobal said on Kane's win. Come on, look around. I played in this rivalry. Look at the way Hard Rock is Rocket Miami Hurricane football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And he Played. Hey, they're right. I mean they, they, they were, they were rocking. You know, they had a lot of this, their former stars, their former great players there. That's always great to see. That's one. I like that tradition that a lot of these teams have where they're great play, where they're great players, they're former players come back especially if they're able to. You, you see homecoming week when guys have bye weeks. You see them standing on the sideline at Ohio State, you see them standing on the sideline at Michigan and Alabama and all that stuff. It was always great to see that. I remember when I, you know, when I was at Savannah State and the guys would come back, it, it, it made me feel good. I, I really never got an opportunity to get back Ocho because you know we, during our bye week I think I went to one homecoming but for the most part I didn't, you know, it wasn't homecoming or they're playing in a way game but it's always great to see it. And as you said Ocho, Miami Hurricane football looked good. Carson Blake bank played really well. 20 of 3205, two touchdowns, clean game. He didn't turn it over. But there's still a lot of football to go. I don't know if it's Clemson on their schedule. Florida State, that's the acc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So hey, let me, let me tell you something. It's been a very long time. Chat, everybody in the chat. It's been a very long time since we got two really good teams with a um, in Florida State meeting up. Yeah. Now that's gonna be, now that is gonna be a goddamn game. But what Florida State put on film yesterday and what you put on, put on film tonight, man. Stop playing man. And obviously listen, you're only gonna get better as the season goes on, especially from offensive standpoint.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the off always starts slower. Yeah, they're a little behind the eight ball as opposed to defense who again who would. All they have to do is just read and react once they get themselves into a rhythm. Yeah man, please.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

CJ Daniels didn't catch a touchdown pass last season at LSU, but he scored his first touchdown since 2023 with a one handed grab in the ring. And you know, I thought the, the ball security was fairly well. I mean considering that the inclement weather seemed like the turf gave a little bit. You know, you below sea level. So once things get saturated, the turf is going to give. If I'm not mistaken. Oo, I think they had A. A black college football. I think Howard played somebody on that in that same stadium yesterday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody? Howard played the. The illustrious. The one and the only.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Did y' all get beat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of all time. They played famu.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Didn't y' all get beat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Didn't y' all get beat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it was ten to nine. It was ten and nine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So which team had ten? All I need to know who had ten? Who. Who had ten?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Howard.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh. So who had the nine?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The greatest hbc. HBCU of all time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So they lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I tell you something?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I tell you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, you can tell me something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Florida A m. March of 100. They won the halftime show. So technically.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, I want to see. I want to see them go. The human jukebox. Southern. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I can't even say nothing bad. Cause I love Southern. I can't even say nothing bad.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they showed out for us at the Super Bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did. They showed out for us. I love Southern. Especially what they did for us down in New Orleans. I love you to death, but you know my allegiance, my life. If I cut myself right now, why bleed orange and green?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You bleed. You bleed orange and brown. Oregon State Beavers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I bleed. I bleed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oregon State.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have to understand. Remember how bad I was in high school, coming out of high school?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I'm finna see. I'm gonna see. I'm gonna Google.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen to me. I was supposed to be at famu. I was supposed to be at famu. I'm telling you. Listen. Hey, Young, let me tell you something real quick. Hey, Chad, let me give you a small example. Right? When I was in high school, I wanted to be like, a receiver that played for Miami Ed school. Y' all could Google this. Google this. I. I looked up to these boys. His name was Jaque Nunley. Somebody. I. I don't know if I have anybody in the chat that's from Miami. You might remember Jacqueline Nunley went to Miami Edison, played receiver. If I'm not mistake, I think he might have wore number three. He went to famu. Me as a high. Me coming out of high school. Oh, shoot. I want to be like Jacques Nunley, but I want to go to famu. So that was part of my love for FAMU right there. Outside of my grandma and my mama always having me at the Classic every year as a little kid, I went to the Florida Classic UNCS in 1984. My mom and my grandma went to Cookman. They went to Cookman. But I just. That orange and green where they came out, they. Hey, they were margin unc. I was like, oh, I got to go there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I had to. I had to go to the only place I can get in. I had to go to the only place that would accept me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Place that was willing to give me a one for one with no eligibility left. Thank you to Dennis Erickson, who remembered me from the little camps when he was with the hurricanes. That's why he gave me a shot. Well, you could have.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

After you went to Samo, you could have went to famu.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

After you went to Samo, you could have went back to famu.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I was already on the west coast. I ain't want to navigate and come all the way back here because I had to get out of Florida, you know, to really get to my destination.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Exactly. That's why it worked out. Where you weren't supposed to go to famu. Cause you still better in Miami and you go on the famu.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, the funny thing about it is when I get some time, right now I have like, I got like 273 jobs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when football season ends, I'm enrolling myself back in school at FAMU to finish. To finish everything and get my degree.

[Commercial Announcers]

I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't even got my degree yet. I just got a whole bunch of jobs with no degree. So I'm looking to get my math.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How close are you to getting your degree?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, boy, listen, don't let me tell you, though. Don't. Don't let me lie to you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So you follow. So in other words, you spent two. A couple of years in college and you further away from getting a degree than you when. When you win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, hey, listen. God is good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Would you go take online classes?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm going to school now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Your big rust ass ain't gonna be sitting up in no classroom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who not? Oh, famu. Tallahassee, right down the street.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know what fam you is, but I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, I would have the time to go to class and get that HBCU experience, because once football season ends, all the jobs I'm doing, it comes down to a halt a little bit. And I got a little bit room to maneuver, so I want that experience. And then also, not only am I going to enroll and go back to school, I'm also going to join the band because you know how much I love the band. Know, I play saxophone. I can play drum. I play tuba. And then Shelby Tman, Shelby Tipman who's the. The band. The band director at famu.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ready? Now I can. I can probably. Probably see if I can. I can try and be the drum major or something.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm listening. I'm taking it. My second half. This is my second half of life. Huh? I got to do something with it. I got a small window. Opportunity. Ain't no telling when I'm gone. Ain't no telling I'm on the other side of the mountain. Once you hit your fit, once you open your 50s, you're on the other side of the mountain. So I'm going downhill now. So I'm trying to get everything out the way and check everything off my bucket list.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It all depends on how much you did coming up on the other side of the mountain. It would determine how. How. How long it's gonna take you to get down on the other side of the mountain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a good question. I don't mean to be. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't mean to sound ignorant.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I've been out of school so long.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How the hell do I find out how many more credits I need for one to get a diploma to graduate?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, you have to. You have to get your. Your. Your thing from Oregon State.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Transcripts.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, get your transcripts. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they still got all that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Hell, yeah, they still got it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. You know, when. When.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let's hope you got some credits.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know I got something.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know, Ojo, because I think you went. I think you made you. The eligibility. You were going. I think. I don't think. I don't think he was trying to. I don't think he was trying to get. I think he was just trying to stay eligible.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's it. That's it. I probably was. I probably was. Listen, the funny thing about it is I'm one of the smartest, sharpest pupils in the classroom. I just had a problem not wanting to go to class.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. I think the thing is. Do you have problem now, Ocho, is that you being your age and your mind turning your mind off about those jobs that you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what I'm saying? So now, because you gotta focus. I mean, I don't know, like you said, you wanna go to class to sit in that classroom and you sitting there. Cause I remember when I went back at Ocho, I was at 20, I was 22, and I'm sitting in the classroom and I'm like, I got more money than Everybody in here make more money than the teacher. I say, man, I gotta get up outta here. I say, ain't no way. There's no way Ocho. I could have waited a year. And I'm always impressed by guys that do it, that wait three, four, five years and then go back to school. Now if you gonna do it online away, okay, that's fine. But to go sit in those classrooms, I couldn't do it on joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You've had that experience. You've been to hbcu.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have. I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've always wanted my dre was to go to Florida A and M. That was my dream. I never. I never got to relive that, you know, So I had the cars I was dealt. I did the best I could with them. But now I have the opportunity. You know what? I can finish off that childhood dream no matter how old I am. You gotta understand. But going to class, I think on. I mean, going to class, actually going to school. If I'm not mistaken, a class ain't nothing but an hour long. I see.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It all depends. It all depends. I mean, it all depends. We were on the quarter system, Ocho. So you're right. We only went to a class for like 50 minutes, but it was five days a week. If you're on the semester system, you might only have to go to class once to twice a week. So it all depends. And then, you know, you might have class, you might have labs. I mean, it's been 30 plus years. I mean, I graduated in 91, so it's so low, I couldn't even. I couldn't even tell you. I just know how my attention span is. Is that to be able to turn. Yeah, look at Ashley. I said, man, me and meetings. Me and meetings don't get along. Me and meetings don't get along, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, that, That's. That's. That's the difference. The difference with me, you have to understand, Unc. I can sit there and you, you'd be like, man, what you doing? I can sit there and play Madden for nine hours straight in one and not move, not move. I can play FIFA for eight, nine hours straight. I can stream for seven, six hours straight without moving. So imagine me going to school and being excited because it's an experience I never got to do before.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What about the class? What about the curriculum? Are you going to be excited about every class that you take?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, abs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely, Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I understand what the end goal is in order to. I got to put the work in. They ain't gonna just hand me no damn diploma. I'm trying to walk across the I'm trying to walk across the stage throwing them fangs. What you talking about?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's the best part about it. To walk across the stage and have your family scream your name and everything like that. My family.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it ain't. Well, y' all is my family. My mama gone, my grandma gone.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, but I'm saying, you got Chauncey, you got the kid. I mean, the kids don't be there. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gonna be. Okay, listen, gonna be the Nightcap family. Gonna be you and Ash and Jordan and everybody else in the background. I show up, all my kids, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Know, let me know how many you're graduating class. I'm gonna come when they get to Johnson, so I could be a little late. Hey, listen, I'm gonna come.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know how to. You know how they do the new graduation? Hey, shoot, man, my daughter's done graduated, man. My daughter done graduated from Prairie View A. M. Man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I ain't graduated yet. How they done beat me. My oldest daughter graduated. My son done graduated from Arizona State. I'm the one with no diploma. My kids doing better than me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, but that's what you want. You want your kids to do better than you. That's the whole purpose of why you did what you did so they wouldn't have to go through. So they wouldn't have the struggle. Now, look, I don't want. I don't. I didn't want to absorb all my kids from struggle because sometimes people are like, I want my. No, no, no, no. You want your kids to struggle somewhat because you want them to understand life is not a bed of roses. So you want some struggle, but you don't want them to have to go through what you went through when basically your entire life was a struggle. But some struggle for a kid bill Calluses and help. And help them navigate this thing called life. Because at some point in time, there will be a struggle. There will be some hardship, there will be some adversity. And you don't want them to have such a smooth ride and that they can't. They don't know how to handle or navigate that. That. That. That obstacle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Or that roadblock that's been placed in front of them. But, yeah, you want your kids that you did. You did. You did what you had to do to make sure you put your kids in a better situation than what you came up in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This funny thing about it. And one thing I won't do up here and get up. Get up here. Pan like, the reason for my kids success and the reason they're doing so well in life at their age now, at their big age right now. It's because of me. Because they'll wait. Oh, it's not. Oh, uncle. It's not those I have kids from.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, a hell of a job. And they still doing a hell of a job. That's why. That's why I can't wait. And this goes for everyone. And they probably see this. They probably not reading the chat, but when I win this Powerball, right? You laugh. I'm not. I'm not even playing. I'm finna win the Powerball. Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You can win that 1.1 billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna spit it in. Three halves have. Going to those I have kids from for. For a job well done.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One half going to Nightcap because we're gonna do some wild stuff.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't never mercy. Look, I don't skydived. I'm good. I'll let you do that. I'm gonna be on the ground filming. Listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the other half going to the Nightcap followers. See the. The subscribers.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So 1.8. Whatever it is, we gonna break down a huge portion of all of them for always supporting.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how I know God gonna bless me because, you know, I'm do what I'm supposed to do with the money. I'm gonna do good. Yeah, give him back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, we got to get. We got to get. You got to give a percent to the. The church. We got to find some churches that's doing the right thing, that's helping people in the community, because you got. You got a tithe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Oh, well, we gonna start with New Birth. We gonna start with New Birth Baptist Church.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I've been to New Birth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember I told you I grew up in New Birth?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on. You talking about New Birth in Latonia?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking about New Birth in Opelaka.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, okay. I thought you on 1 35th.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Reverend. Reverend Victor Curry.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, come on now. Talk to me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I thought you talked about New Birth. Yes, another one. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're at.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

In Atlanta. I think it's in Lathonia. They got a congregation. I think they got a congregation. About 20,000. What? A what? Yeah, about 20,000. I think it's about that big a church. Anybody go. Anybody who, who, who, who go to New Birth in this chat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. A church with 20,000 people?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like a college stadium. I mean, a small college stadium.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think Pastor Jamal Bryant is the pastor now. Oh, I think, yeah. He Took over Bishop Eddie Long, who passed away. I think he had cancer some years ago. I think Jamal Bryant is the head pastor now, if I'm not mistaken. I think Chad. Don't. Don't quote me, but I think he is the pastor at newburgh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. A 20,000 congregation.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What you call him? Creflo$, I think his first Christian something. Joel Osteen. I mean. Yeah, they got a lot of the. I mean, they have two services, Ocho. Yeah. What they call mega churches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe Osteen in Atlanta, in Houston. Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah. But these mega churches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the churches that you and I grew up that we were hoping to have a hundred people in there or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. And, you know, fourth Sunday or pastor's anniversary, church anniversary or something like that. You might get an overflow crowd. But, yeah, man, these churches now, Ocho, they, you know, look, I. You know, I read my Bible, I read these literature. I get these. These little pamphlets, man. I just. I just don't believe in the prosperity aspect of it. I don't. I don't. I don't believe in church members suffering while the pastor's living. Great. That's. That's that. I don't believe in that prosperity. I don't. I understand. You tithe. You give what you can, but when you start telling me I must do this, just count me. I'm just gonna go in. I do what I might not necessarily tie to the church every month, but I give. I do this charity, that charity. I make sure I do. I do what I can. What I feel out of the goodness of my heart, I just don't tell people about it because I don't think that's something you should advertise. But. But I'm proud of you. I hope you do go back in the life. Church In Oklahoma has 85,000 members, man. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Weekly attendance. Weekly attendance. So. So how many? How Many? How many? 8,580 5,000 weekly. Weekly attendees. Because some churches, some churches, you have two church, two services on Sunday, and then you might have another service or a couple of services during the week. So that's where. Huh? Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you get that many people? 85,000 people. That's more people that. The. That. That Paycor stadium, the Bangles is fitting in the stadium. What are we talking about?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you. You talk about the Bible bell, Ocho, you know. You know, in the south, people believe in that Bible. They look that's why they look down on certain. Certain aspects of. Of sexuality and things like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They frown upon that. But, you know, look, we're not. We don't need to get in that. But, hey, Joel Osteen has 45,000 members weekly. Weekly attendees. Creflo Dollar. He has a big. What's his church name? Faith. Chris. Chris something. Put Creflo$. Type that in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, one thing about it, I love the word I love.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You heard me 15th.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard me, huh? I say I. I love some of these. Some of these churches. Some of the things I'm hearing about them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huge congregations. But I go. I go to church for two things. I go to church for two things. I go to hear that word.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got to hear the choir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I don't want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want that old traditional good gospel. That old. Hey, man, listen. What a friend we have in Jesus. That, that, that old school. Hear me?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, his eye is on the sparrow. I need that old school traditional gospel like I'm listening to Reverend James Cleveland. Like that kind of that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The Mississippi Mass Choir. The Body Clouds of joy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, now we.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now we talking Shirley Caesar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now. Hey, hey, I'm take you back real quick. The can spirituals. Yeah, man, stop playing. That's the kind of gospel I'm looking for. Now. I don't know if I can find that in the kind of churches we have today.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I mean, that. That was. That was that. All I want to do is when they sing before the prayer and after the prayer when they start singing. We had a lady that would come to our church. She wasn't a member. Her name, I never forget. Her name was Ms. Margie Bird.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, that lady could sing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Chad, if you from Glenville, Reeseville, or from the surrounding county Classic, you know who Ms. Margie Bird was. Lord, that woman had a voice ain't nothing like. You see that woman walk in like it didn't fail. Miss Margie. Miss. You want to do a solo? Lord, that woman. Get up there. Lord.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I had that. Oh, boy, you got Ms.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Mall. Get on that piano, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I had. I had the opportunity, obviously, growing up with. With being able to see. I'm Ms. Mosi Burks. I don't know who you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know who that is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, Mississippi Mass Choir. She's led many. She's many of. Of. Oh, God. But you got. Got me about to tear up. God damn it. Hold on, let me get some tissue.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But those are. Those are Days, man. Look, those were the days. Chat. I remember those days. Being a little boy, my feet couldn't even touch the floor just sitting there and. And. And. And, you know the old man prayer they have on them or them rib socks with those Stacy Adams shine to the gill. We miss those days. I miss them. Hey, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, boy, you got. We could talk about them all day. Boy, you got me tearing up, boy. God leave.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boy, those were the days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. What? I had the opportunity. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Chad. Excuse me for that. I had the opportunity of seeing Mosey Burks, who led the Mississippi Mass choir many of times, and in chat, you might. You might know the song. You definitely gonna know this song, One of her favorites. This morning when I rose this morning when I rose and man had no doubt, man. Chad, if.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If you don't know, we got to find. You know what? I'll show. We got to find a. A. A. A gospel concert. We'll have to. We have you step up in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now. Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, I have you. I have a couple of suits that I had made, you know what I'm saying? Don't show. I ain't gonna be able to use them in 2025. But, you know, I. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I got them. And so just in case, you know, they wide. You know what I'm saying? They wide leg Ocho, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's sharp, man. That's gonna be sharp, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Pete lapels.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bad. Look here. So clean. Fly light on me. I cut his throat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, man, I like it. I like it, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, I just. Every time I talk about gospel, I hear something about gospel. We get to talk about the church or you tell me anything when it comes to dogs or animals, I get. I get to getting emotional for no reason at all, man. I tweeted something earlier today. I. Oh, that goddamn Kiki Wyatt. Christ. I'd retweeted like. I didn't tweet that much today. So if it's still on my timeline right now. And she was singing, and I just put the goat at the top of it, and I listened to it, man. That lady. That man. Something special.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got the boys, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, she got a voice. Boy, she's so ranky. She. She was in there. She was playing. She was in that. Playing. Like, this is what I do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let's transition back to Miami Hurricanes, 2025 schedule. Ocho, they beat Notre Dame 27, 24 next week. They're at home against Bethune, Cookman. Then. Then they're at home against South Florida. Then they're at home against Florida. Then October 4th, they're on the road against Florida State, home against Louisville, home against Stanford, at smu, home against Syracuse, home against NC State, on the road against Virginia Tech, on the road against Pittsburgh. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Just a second. Something is at a neutral site.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What game played FSU last, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, no, no, no. FSU is October 4th.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they got a good chance to run the table.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But you said they got the answer. I already see it either. Oh, yeah, they got. They got a chance, you know, they got South Florida, Florida, Florida State. Most of the Florida State game. Ain't gonna be easy now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, not. Not based on what I saw yesterday. Especially when that Florida, That Florida State defense. Yep, they look good, boy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, Joe. The number 13 South Carolina Gamecocks beat Vatek 24 11. The Gamecock opened the season with a win over his coach, Shane Beamers alma mater. His dad coached there for almost 30, 30 years. Frank Be. Frank Beamer, right? Isn't that his dad name? Right. The Carolina look good. Carolina looked really good. That big receiver they got, Nick, what's his name? Hold on, man. They got a receiver, Ocho, like six, four, about 230. He could fly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Carolina, South Carolina.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, man, he read. He run 10, 10, 100 meters. 20, 20 in the 200 meters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, man, he looked good. He caught a bomb. Caught a bomb. Oh, here it is right here. But I like Carolina. I like the way they got off the field. I like them uniforms. The quarterback, Lenore Sellers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sellers, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, he played. He played well today. And he has that ability. He's a true dual threat. He has a nice lively arm. Can obviously can run out, can get outside, get out the pocket and make plays. I thought they did a great job of. And Mike Shula's calling the plays. Mike Shula called plays in the NFL. And so sellers was 12 of 19, 209. One touchdown, clean game, interception, no interceptions. They had 37 carries for a buck 19, one touchdown. But the defense, the defense played well for Carolina defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Very, very well.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A safety and three field goals, you could live with that. You can live with that. But I like the. I like those. I like those uniforms. Carolina got some nice uniforms.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you like that? You like.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like the All Black. I like that. All Black.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. It's all right. You ain't like the. You ain't like Virginia Tech, all orange. No.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Maybe they had Mike Vic out there running around in the. Might have liked them. Okay, okay, okay. Florida State quarterback Tommy Castellano mocks Alabama with merch after open upset prior to FSU game. Costellano stated, they don't have Nick Saban to save them. I just don't see them stopping me. Castellano not only backed up by beating Bama 3117, but now is profiting off it. He's selling on shirt's website, turning Alabama merch. Nick can't save them. What's the pettiest thing you've ever done after backing up your trash talk on the field? Lo Cho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's a funny thing. Wait, excuse my ignorance. As a collegiate kid, are you allowed to sell merch like that and profit from it outside of nil? You can do that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's dope. I like that. Yeah, but one, the fact that Castellano. The fact that Castellanos said that before week one against like Alabama and then went out there and backed it up and did it, man, please. Alumni, alumni. And all them students probably bought all that stuff up, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Of course, of course. It's only up from here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

From here. All right. Just keep winning. Hey, keep winning and your pocket's gonna get fatter and fatter, young man. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He was 9 to 14, a buck 52, 16 rushes, 78 yards, but he was the quarterback of note. His team won. He played really, really well. He didn't have stats that blow you away. The most impressive stat that a quarterback can have is a win W. Because at the end of the day, that's how we measure. That's how we supposed to measure quarterback. And he's won more and he beat Alabama. And we know what Florida State has been over the last couple years. There are a lot of people that was calling for the head coach's job. But. But the alumni and. And. And the. They stayed. The booster. They stay. And the president, they stayed true. So we believe in this guy because they had just went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They didn't they go to the. I think. Nah, they had lost. They lost their quarterback. They didn't make the college football playoff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They lost their quarterback.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, but came back and here they are, open the season with a big time win. They weren't ranked, but they will be when the rankings come out on Tuesday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But that's what you have to do, ojo. You have to go out there, you said what he said and he went out there and backed it out. He backed it up and he's right. Coach Saban couldn't save him. Caleb DeBoer you got to get on. You got to got to get on that. Get in on the action bro. It's time to go. In April, Nico I believe her decided to walk away from Tennessee balls after feeling that he wasn't being paid what he deserved. At Tennessee, Amalieva nil deal was around 2 million mark but he wanted a bump to approximately 4 million and increase Tennessee was unwilling to grant. However at UCLA I'm a lever took a pay cut earning only 1.2 million and then when you factor in the state laws at California 50% he makes 600,000. UCLA opened the season as on Saturday against Utah. You can make a difference in someone's life, including your own, with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options and free training. They also provide paid time off and opportunities for overtime. Visit oregonhomecarejobs.com to learn more and apply. That's oregonhomecarejobs.com Looking for excitement?

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And they lost 43 to 10. He finished with 11 completions on 22 fast attempts. 50%, 136 passing yards, one touchdown, one interception.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, sometimes you got to be careful. Yes, sometimes you got to be careful. Now this is just not a message for him. This is in life in general. Sometimes you in situations, sometimes you're in situations where you want more and you think the grass is green on the other side. When you got stability right there on your backyard, you got comfortability right there in your backyard.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No state. Not to cut you off with you, but if I'm not mistaken, I think Tennessee is a no state income tax, income tax state.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got, you got to understand, you got to understand that then you're trying to be greedy. You play on the field and gonna take care of self. If you want more money in nil, it's gonna, you take care of that in between the lines with your play, they will have no problem bumping you up. They let you go for a reason. They let you go seek out what you're looking for, which is more elsewhere, and then you can go somewhere where.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You make, you make less and they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tax you more and they tax more. And you lost your first game against Utah. Come on, man. That's a life lesson in itself too. So that's a life lesson in itself.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So make it a million dollars. So you had 30, what is it, 36 tax rate. So every million dollars, you get 630,000. So he could have made 1.260. Now he's making 600, 000. So he left 600, 000 on the table. That's money in his pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, you got, you got to do better understand the situation.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You win because California is a, I think a 13. Yeah, 13 state income tax. So you figure 36 plus 13, that's 49. Then you got FICA. And then you got all these other. Because, hey, California hit you over your head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they coming to get there, boy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

California hit you over your head. They get there, but they get all that. All that they need to use that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Goddamn money to expand the goddamn 405 and make it 200 traffic.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, if that's the case, they need to make it to 18. They don't need to expand nothing. They need to look, I mean California, they be taxing. They got what probably the fourth or fifth largest GDP of anywhere in the world. And we talk about a state, we ain't talking about the United States, we talk about a state within the United States. That's how much money that they make. It's just that you can't take care of every single person. Yeah, you know, and Cali try to. They try to take care of every single person. I think they waste a lot of money. Ocho Michael Parsons was reportedly viewed by some Cowboys teammates as egotistical and self centered. Hold on. Sports Illustrated, Albert Bray reports. Martin Lamb and Prescott are very popular in the locker room. That's Zach Martin, CD Lamb, Dak Prescott. That's not the case with Parsons, who has rankled teammates different in in different ways. Seen by some as egotistical and self centered. His podcast, which we knew Ocho, has created issues too. And they go all the way up to the quarterback, Dak Prescott. We said that we would start hearing negative comments about Michael. Oh, what I tell you, we just had this, when we had this conversation, I said, oh, oh now pretty soon you will start hearing negative comments about Marcus. Michael. I said coming. Oo I know it's coming. But I always felt, because here's the thing. Oo you do a podcast? Yes sir. You lose the first thing they gonna say. If you get your ass off the podcast and practice and study your play, you win games. In order for your podcast, you gotta be interested, you gotta be entertaining, so you gotta take shots at other people. And you know, I think there was a situation, wasn't they talking about quarterbacks and he didn't have Dak in his top five or something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So yeah, I get it. I don't have a pro. I think the thing is Ocho, a lot of people want to get on the media. Going to get in the media space and they're trying to create that medium now. But you have to be careful. You really have to be careful. I tell guys, look, if CBS or Fox or NBC calls you and they ask you go do it on your bye week, right? Go to your local news station, talk sports, talk to the, you know, the guy that does sport. That's what I did when I was in Denver. I had a local radio show. But when they called me. Hey, I would go do. Do highlights, do something. But this podcast, I mean, you have to be careful. And plus. And I'm gonna turn it over to you, Ojo. Everybody is not gonna be like in a locker room, I don't care how great you are. They're gonna be some people that you're gonna rub the wrong way. You don't talk too much, you standoffish, you don't talk enough, you don't ingratiate yourself to the locker room. So everybody is not going to be beloved. And that's okay. That's okay. But I knew this podcast would cause an issue. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It shouldn't have. There's no reason it should cause the issues. Anything Micah decides to do outside of the game of football, when he's not playing, when he's not in meetings, when he's not playing a game, you know, it's all for it. I'm all for it. If you know Michael, if you met him personally, you understand he's a very playful, fun, loving guy. He's not. He's a likable person. He's not in the type of player that you could, you could, you can not like, you know, or one of those people who, who come to work and it's strictly business. He doesn't associate with you? No, he's friendly. So again, when things like this come out, of course, those who might not like them or those who probably don't do their goddamn job on Sundays at 1 o', clock, I bet you that those who don't like them are the ones who don't show up like he showed up the past four years and doing what he's supposed to do and being one of the few who's had 12 sacks in the last four years at his position, I guarantee you that. Let's pull up the stats for the people or the person that's in that locker room that claims they don't like them. And I guarantee you it doesn't live up to the standard at their position that he lives up to is his. I bet you that it's always a hating ass. I'm sorry. It's always someone that's not frowned upon, someone else who's doing something outside of the building, but they handles their business inside of the building, especially in between the lines.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's is. But I'm not. Look, I'm not surprised. I'm sure there are a lot of people that. That like me in Denver. Some didn't. Some people like me in Baltimore. Some Didn't. I guess some a little more now than others. But hey, that's neither here nor there, Ocho, you know, Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that threw me for a loop. I know, I know. But I'm just.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, it threw a lot of people for a loop, Ocho, but I looked. He's. It's over with now. And let's go to that right here, so. Because it's just add. Just add some layers to it. Just a week ago, Dax said he was confident Parsons would be on the field for the Cowboys matchup week one. Well, Dak, have the night, have the new tune. Since Michael got dealt with, I definitely think he was going to get. I definitely didn't think he was going to get to trade. Get traded. But just the way their negotiations went down, obviously to the sun some extent. Hell, y' all were asking me questions. Remember, I said that's how it becomes a distraction. Because you're not asking me about the game. You're asking me about Michael's contract. Hell, y'. All. Y' all was asking me question. It seemed like it had gotten personal, which we said that it had become personal. And so that's why I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I told you. Eat Jerry's eagle now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It came out today that Duron Bland got a contract extension. But did you. But did you. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well deserved. Well deserved.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But they had been working with his representative since off season. Jake Ferguson got a deal. They had been working with his representative all off season. They're trying to get Tyler Smith done. They're working with his representative. You see here, Ocho, you see how Jerry's ego. Jerry's ego wouldn't let him work with Michael agent, because I'm gonna show you I do what I want to do. And if you want to do a deal here, you're going to do it my way. So if you work with all of those guys. Representative, he worked with CD's representative, he worked with DAG's representative. I just listed three guys represented that he worked with. But for some reason, he was unwilling to work with Micah's representative.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he took that friendship and those conversations to heart. He took those friendship, those conversations and that friendship. The heart and Micah split that right down the middle. Listen, I play for your team. You sign my checks. But when it comes to conducting business, you're gonna have to talk to my representation. Even after whatever handshake or whatever words might have been exchanged. That's not the way contracts work. That's not the business works. You were trying to undermine Michael Parsons. You were trying to pay him. Not what he's worth, obviously, because he mentioned about what he was offering, but the offering that he was paying Michael to make him the highest paid was before T.J. watt got paid. It was before Myles Garrett got paid.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And plus he said, I will make you the highest pay. But you added. You added years. You added a year to it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Trying to be slick.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Trying to be slick. Miles. Garrett. Miles. Gary got four years. 160. No, bro, I'm not. I'm not gonna let you do that. I shook your hand, but I told you, call my agent, call my representative. You won't call the representative back? No, you try. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. They told you. No, we don't. You want to do a five year plus the option, that's six years. Most agents want to keep that thing four plus to one. Because I want another bite at this now. Because once Michael contract once is that 3136 guaranteed money. So within the first three years, he's not going to have any more guaranteed money. The back end, Ocho. So now, and plus that means his. His cap number is going to be extremely high because I get to prorate that 120 over a five year period. So I try to try, try to divvy it up equally, but at the back end, those last. Those last couple years, Ocho, that thing gonna be high. The giraffe head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So now I come back to the table. Well, you know, hey, you know, six years. Nah. Michael says, hey, I'm 26. I can get another bite of this apple at 30. Oh, y' all have to see your boy at 30. 30, come on now. But that's what I'm looking at. I'm like, hold on. What you mean they talk to Deron Bland's representative? What do you mean they talk to Jake Ferguson, Representative. What do you mean they're looking to talk to Tyler Smith? Representative. Micah just asked to talk to my representative. No, we had a deal. No, we didn't. I shook your head and told you call my agent. Right? He knew what the agent was gonna say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he know. No, hey, wait. The. Supposedly the best agent in the game. Oh, you know exactly what he was gonna say. You knew exactly. You can't pull a fast one on the agent, right? Pull a fast one on the player.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, because he looking at. Mike is looking at Ocho. He looking at that man. 200 million, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See, it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It looked good. It looked Good. But the agent. The agent got a magnifying glass. Let me peel back some of these layers to this 20 million you talking about.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, I got light on. You know what I'm saying? We're dark in the room. I need it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, you go into restaurants, Ocho, and they hand you the menu. I pull out my phone right quick, put that light on. Look at the price. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. It never. It never, ever seems what they say it is. Never. That's why you need representation.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's it. I'm not saying. We've seen guys. We see Lamar and his. His mom and with the help of. With an NFL PA lawyer, do the contract themselves, but they made it abundantly clear we're not hiring representation. We'll do something hourly. We'll get an NFL pa. We saw Bobby Wagner do that. We saw Sherm do his own contract. Okay. If the guy says, I'm doing my own contract, I got no problem with that. You can. The owner, the general manager can work directly with the player. You see Shay Gilgis. Now, it's a lot easier in basketball because you either getting the max or damn near close to a max deal. So Shea said, I'm not going to hand over 3,4% when I already know I'm going to get the max.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Got it. Got it. But in the NFL, hey, Lamar says, I feel I can go it alone. That 3%, I can keep that in my pocket. And when you're dealing with that kind of money, it's 3%. Don't seem like much when you start dealing 100, 200, $300 million, 3% is a damn lot of money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of money.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A whole lot of money. So with that being said, he knew Michael had representation. Now, he worked with everybody else's representation. Now, if that's what I. If what I read was correct, it said he worked. They've been working with Daron Bland's representation all off season. Same thing with Jake Ferguson. And they're working with Tyler Smith, trying to get something done. Now, we know they work with Dak Prescott. He's the highest paid. He didn't do a deal directly with Dak. He worked with Todd France, who's the CDs agent he worked with. That. But for some reason, I. I just need to know, why was he so unwilling to work with David Mugaletta that I. I just need somebody to explain that to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I also probably understand. Maybe he didn't want to pay Michael all along. Maybe didn't want to pay Mike all Along understanding that he had other deals coming off the table, like the Ron Bland or whatever he's getting ready to do with Jake Ferguson or whoever else they might pay before the cd.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay. They would ca. Yeah, but. But here's the thing, Ocho. If that's the case, if you needed to stop the run, if you didn't like the way Michael was hurt, if you don't think Michael. So why were you negotiating? So why would you want to deal. Do a deal with the guy if he's not what you think he is or he's not the player? So why would you even enter? Why would you even try to work a deal with him? Why not just go ahead and trade it? Why not get a draft pick this year?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he was lying to himself. Oh, he was lying to us. Trying to make us believe that he's the reason. Yes, Believe. Like, okay, now he's going. Well, we let him go because, hey, we need to get better at stopping the run. Child, please stop playing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You hadn't been able to stop the run for four years. So what you got all those defensive tackles for? You see, the problem that I have is that your defense was not built to stop the run. Your offense was. And Shannon, what do you. I know chat. You asked me to say, well, Shannon, what do you mean by that? His offense was built to get the lead, and so now his defense pinned the ears back. They're an undersized defense. And as long as you can keep the game close or you can get the lead, you can pound their ass. Pause. You can run the ball. Because I know what y'. All. I know y' all go. Y' all about to say some crazy stuff. So in other words, you can run the ball on them because they're built to play with the lead and get pressure. Now, guess what? They ain't got no lead. They have to stand up in there. And a lot of those guys ain't got a whole lot of bricks in their back pocket. So when you build your off. When you build your team a certain way, well, you build your team with speed. You need to be able to use it. And if you got a team that want to run the football, speed don't help you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. At all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So that's. That's one of the things. And look. And people like, well, what dad could have did? No, if I'm dak, I ain't doing nothing. I'm getting all my money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

My job. You tell us, Ocho, what they tell us. He's a player well, if I'm a player, my job ain't try to figure out the cap. You figure out the cap. You don't pay me extra to work on the cap. You pay me a salary to do what I do on the football field, all that other stuff. It ain't my job to worry about the cab. Well, you know, they got a cab and you can only do so. I ain't got nothing to do with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what else? You know what else works in favor, especially in quarterback positions, Especially in dak position. There have been other quarterbacks that have been in great situations where the timing of when it's time for them to get paid. There's nowhere else for that team to go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's nowhere else for that team to go to get someone that's competent enough to come in. Come in and be quarterback number one. So you ain't got no choice but to pay these young fellas what they owe at the time. You got no choice because there's no other. There's no other option.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right? And plus, I'm not. First of all, I don't trust Jerry. Jerry ain't built nothing in 30 years, so why would I. Why am I gonna leave him money on the table? Why am I gonna. First of all, this is my really first big bite at the apple. Why am I gonna give a guy that's worth 15 billion? Why am I gonna give him a discount?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Chad. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you work for a company, and that company worth 20 billion. And they say, you know what? Hey, hey, Charlene, we want to get Pam in HR, but it's gonna cost us to go take 15,000 of your money. Well, Charlene ain't gonna be in HR. Cause you ain't taking a dime of mine. So. No, you don't give no billionaire no discount. You a millionaire. Now, if the next contract that wants to be generous enough, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's different.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's on him. But I feel no obligation to cut you a slack so you can. No, no, no, no. That ain't got nothing to do with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not that first one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That first one. No, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because what Jerry say when cbs. I don't know if you watched this. CBS had. Had the. The broadcast, right? A lot of the other owners. CBS was losing money. A lot of the other owners wanted to keep CBS as the broadcast partner. Jerry said, no, we're not cutting them a deal. We're not gonna do it. But see, Jerry refute. Go ask cbs. Go Ask NBC. Go ask Fox, Go ask Amazon. Go ask Netflix. Did y' all get a deal with these NFL rights? They didn't get a deal, but they expect players. Well, Shannon, there's a cap. What they got to do with me? Ain't no cap on my bank account. My bank account says as much money that'll pour in, we can take it. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Because teens will make as much money as they can. Now, it's gonna sound very, very interesting. Ocho. Now you watch with these next contract. Watch around 28. Cause these things come. Do they come and do. Ocho, about 20. So 20, 20, about 10 years. Watch around 28 when they start doing it right. YouTube gonna say, hey, we want some of this. Netflix gonna say, hey, man, live programming, we want some of this. Amazon say, whoo. Oh, man, oh, man, I see what we do. Hey, I see what we doing with these Thursday night games. I see we do with these Black Friday games. Just imagine we get a whole package. So that 430, that 432 gonna probably be 650 come 2028, 2029.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm getting me a little piece of that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, so I, I, man, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we're gonna give me a little piece of that. I need to holla. I need to holla at Jeff. I gotta, I gotta. I got an interview with Jeff Bezos for a. A position over, over at Amazon. So I'm excited to see how that's gonna go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right.

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