Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho REACT to Packers beating Commanders in TNF, Sterling gets his HOF ring!

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho REACT to Packers Beating Commanders in TNF, Sterling Gets His HOF Ring!

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

In this lively Nightcap Hour, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson break down the Green Bay Packers' 27-18 victory over the Washington Commanders on Thursday Night Football. The episode features deep-dive analysis of the game, key player performances (especially Jordan Love and the Packers' defense), reflections on defensive fundamentals, locker room mentality, and memorable moments—including Sharpe's heartfelt tribute to his brother Sterling Sharpe, who received his Pro Football Hall of Fame ring at Lambeau Field.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Packers vs. Commanders TNF Reaction

• Defensive Dominance & Jordan Love’s Growth

  • The Packers move to 2-0, showcasing both offensive crispness and a fearsome defense.
  • Jordan Love: 19/31, 292 yards, 2 TDs, no turnovers – “Jordan Love did his thing.” (Chad Johnson, 07:57)
  • The Commanders’ Jaden Daniels was “hounded all night” with four sacks and relentless pressure.

• Run Game & One-dimensional Offense

  • Commanders struggled with the run: just 51 yards on 19 attempts, neutralized by Packers’ front.
  • “Once you make a team one-dimensional, now they're at your mercy.” (Mark Ocho, 08:26)

• Defensive Backs’ Standout Play

  • Chad highlights the Packers’ secondary, in particular two critical plays by Nixon showing technique and discipline:

    “His eyes locked in on Jaden Daniels...man, hands down, that back end, to me, for the Packers stuck out.” (Chad Johnson, 10:53)

  • Mark Ocho points out synergy between pass rush and coverage, referencing historical parallels to defenses anchored by dominant lines.

• Michael Parsons' Impact

  • Parsons generated eight pressures (six in the second half), transforming the pace for opposing offenses.
  • “They were already good even if he wasn't there, but his addition...they looking like hall of famers out there now.” (Chad Johnson, 15:19)

• Offensive Execution & Missed Opportunities

  • Analysis of a missed TD to Matthew Golden—contrasting with Tyreek Hill’s ability to capitalize on those moments.
  • Jordan Love’s command against blitzes: career-high air yards per attempt.

    “Jordan Love is doing exactly what veteran quarterbacks do and understand, okay? Based on what I see, based on tendencies, based on watching film, I already know what's coming.” (Chad Johnson, 19:23)

Hall of Fame Moment: Sterling Sharpe's Ring Ceremony

[25:03-37:45]

• Sterling Sharpe joins Shannon and Ocho after receiving his Hall of Fame ring at Lambeau:
  • Reflects on returning to Green Bay; the emotion of finally saying farewell to the fans.
  • “Tonight I got a chance to do that.” (Sterling Sharpe, 32:53)
  • Emphasizes the importance of legacy, gratitude to fans, and the support of key figures like event organizer Kathy.
  • Sharpe shares candid details about his career’s abrupt end due to injury and his readiness for a new chapter post-football.
• Shannon pays tribute to Kathy, the woman responsible for orchestrating the Hall of Fame events, giving heartfelt thanks on-air.
• Touching moment as Sterling’s health struggles are mentioned—he’s due for a fourth eye surgery and must spend up to 20 hours daily face down during recovery.

Around the NFL: Tough Talk & Rivalries

Browns’ Grant Delpit Calls Out Derrick Henry

[42:09-49:02]

• Delpit asserts “not hard” to tackle Derrick Henry; Henry responds, “we’ll see on Sunday.”
• Sharpe and Ocho debate the merits and risks of bold declarations in the NFL.
  • “You said that man ain’t hard to tackle. Now, I’m gonna need you to drop some lumber.” (Mark Ocho, 47:42)
• Discussion on how such banter adds intrigue to the Browns–Ravens matchup and takes pressure off teammates by putting spotlight on the speaker.

Quarterback Panic?

[52:26-54:55]

• What if the Ravens or Chiefs start 0-2? Both hosts argue there’s “no reason to hit the panic button” given the talent at quarterback (Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes).
• Shannon highlights how much tougher it is now with elite QBs across the divisions, meaning no team can coast.

Sideline Passion Debate

[54:55-57:17]

• Following Malik Nabers’ emotional sideline exchange with Coach Daboll, hosts examine the double standard for “passion” in skill players vs. quarterbacks.
  • “Passion is another man’s selfishness, it’s another man’s diva.” (Mark Ocho, 56:20)
  • Tom Brady and Peyton Manning referenced as QBs who were lauded, not criticized, for fiery sideline moments.

Coaching Mind Games & Bears–Lions Preview

[57:17-63:38]

• Ben Johnson’s trick plays for Chicago bear little concern for Dan Campbell, who stresses fundamentals.
• Both believe the Bears have a real shot against Detroit if they eliminate mistakes and take advantage of blown coverage.
• Caleb Williams’ development is a major storyline—needs to be more accurate and capitalize on opportunities.
• Key: Whichever team makes the other one-dimensional likely wins.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Defensive Back Play:

  “It’s easy to do in practice, but seeing him execute in the game...having that eye discipline and being technically sound and savvy...those two plays to me stuck out.”
  — Chad Johnson, [10:53]

• On Defensive Tactics:

  “Once you make a team one-dimensional, now they're at your mercy.”
  — Mark Ocho, [08:26]

• On the Packers’ D-line/Secondary Paradox:

  “You look at the secondary when you had Reggie...all those guys...they didn’t have to hold up long. The ball’s gonna come out quick.”
  — Mark Ocho, [15:54]

• Sterling Sharpe on Returning to Lambeau:

  “Tonight I got a chance to do that.” (i.e., say goodbye to fans)
  — Sterling Sharpe, [32:53]

• On Bold NFL Talk:

  “Now you wrote checks everybody else got a cash...you wrote a check that y’all ass going to have to cash.”
  — Mark Ocho, [47:57]

• On Sideline Passion:

  “It’s always been that way. One man’s passion is another man’s diva.”
  — Chad Johnson & Mark Ocho, [56:10–56:20]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Discussion | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:00–17:00 | Packers beat Commanders breakdown, Jordan Love, defense | | 25:03–37:45 | Sterling Sharpe receives HOF ring, emotional family moments | | 42:09–49:02 | Grant Delpit vs. Derrick Henry, NFL banter and rivalries | | 52:26–54:55 | Ravens/Chiefs panic discussion, QB-driven resilience | | 54:55–57:17 | Sideline passion double standard in NFL | | 57:17–63:38 | Bears–Lions preview, Ben Johnson vs. Dan Campbell |

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Tone & Style

• The episode is fast-paced, celebratory, and candid, with classic barbershop-style football talk—raw, unfiltered, equal parts insight and banter.
• Both hosts balance technical breakdowns with personal stories and quick, humorous asides.
• Emotional depth is added with the Hall of Fame ring ceremony and family shoutouts.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This Nightcap Hour delivers sharp X’s & O’s insights and inside-the-locker-room honesty. Shannon and Ocho celebrate a big Packers win, debate defensive strategy and bold talking, probe the psychology of sideline emotion, and offer an uplifting look at Sterling Sharpe’s Hall of Fame journey. The blend of game analysis and heartfelt moments makes this installment memorable for fans of both football and family legacy.

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[Chad Johnson]

Saw from the pack listen from the packers? Everything obviously Michael, Michael Parson was a story. Jordan Love and those receivers were were the story. They, they they're what we heard about leading up to this game. But to me the back end, the back end defensively for The Packers, Xavier McKenna brother Nixon on the one side they were to me I the most surprising which popped out on film which is why which is one of the reasons why I think the packers are going to go very far this year, not only into the playoffs, but make that run in AFC to contend for that super bowl championship. Unk. This is the what the. The packers haven't started 20 since well I think 2020 if I'm not mistaken. And they look phenomenal. Not just on offense. In, in Jordan Love this. The receivers did exactly what we expect them to do. I'm hoping Jaden Reed is okay. I think his, his collarbone, he might have fractured his color.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You can tell the way he failed and they put that weight on it.

[Mark Ocho]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

You already know, but everybody else stepped up. Everybody else stepped up offensively. Jordan Love did his thing. Josh Jacobs did his thing. But that back end that back in for the packers, obviously not having to the the poses and the threats that the Washington commanders did have were nullified. They were nullified because they're back in played extremely well. They sitting on. They said they sitting on routes, sitting on plays normally that another team you're not sitting on them.

[Mark Ocho]

Well, they know they don't have to play. They don't have to cover long because they know the pressure is going to come. So they know it. Rashawn Gary, they know what Van Ness, they know what Michael Parsons, they know with those guys, Wyatt and all those guys is going to generate a pass rush and we don't have to hold up long. So hey, until they show us they can hold up right, there's a chance we get a double move.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

Okay. But we sitting on everything. Hey, we're gonna stand hey, we're gonna stand back here and we don't believe you have time to run by us.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

So if you run by us, hey, the coach gonna say that's on me. So you'll have to back up gonna play. I'll have to play them a little bit more honestly. But when you got that kind of relentless pressure and the only thing that really saved them a lot tonight because Jaden Daniel does have legs because they were coming and he did not have a whole lot of time to throw the football. And once you neutralize that run now you've made the commanders one dimensional. Once you make a team to one dimensional now they're at your mercy because guess what? We already know you can't run it when you want to. We control the terms of disagreement and the terms is you're going to have to throw. We know you have to throw and we're coming to get you.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

There were two plays with a defensive back, Brother Nixon for the, for the Green Bay packers that that stuck out to me on film playing all. He was playing off at seven. He did his three step read. He's not even looking at her. He's not even looking at receiver. Receiver's coming off full speed. His eyes locked in on Jaden Daniels. Yeah, three steps went, those eyes shifted back to the receiver and he stayed so fundamentally sound un. He didn't panic and his pedal never came out. His pedal. Dude ran. Dude tried to run a stop route. Man, he broke on that. It almost got picked going the other way. Then came back later on in the game and say okay, we see what you're trying to do. We gonna study you now since you so aggressive and you're jumping everything short. They tried to pump him. He stabbed just a little bit just to throw the timing off a little bit. Speed turn, got right back, got right back in the hip side, knocked the ball down. Those two plays to me stuck out tremendously for me because I understand how difficult it is to transition like that as a DB and having that eye discipline and being technically sound and savvy, being patient to be able to do what I saw tonight. No two plays. It's easy to do in practice but seeing him execute it in the game, knowing that the pressure is going to get there, man, hands down that back into me for the packers stuck out.

[Mark Ocho]

On film back to back weeks. Last week they allowed 246 yards to the Detroit Lions. 200 fewer than 250 yards to the the Washington Commanders. That's back to back weeks. That's the first two games of the season since 1995. Michael Parsons generated the team high eight pressures. He had a half a sack on 37 pass rush attempts. In his second game with the Packers. Six of Parsons pressures came in the second half. Look, he's an edge guy, you know and I understand they got a lot of edge guys and so you're going to have sometimes guys going to have to line up inside and it's all congested in there. But he needs to be in space. Yeah, he can, he can use that quickness. He can use that, that ability to move and bend those edges. I saw the thing that was showing kind of show like DT at a 40 degree angle. Michael park at a 42 degree angle. Both can bend the edges, but I think that's the, that's the. The thing is Ocho, you're right, that back end looked really good. But when you get that kind of push up front, you ain't got a whole lot long.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

You ain't Got to hold up long. Kraft had an unbelievable job at the tight end position. He had 124 yards, the most since Richard Rogers in Week 13, 2015 against Detroit. That was the miracle at Motown. The hair of Mary game. Mojo, they've been losing the whole game. And then Aaron Rodgers rolls and he Richard Rogers plus the Hail Mary. But I. Defensively there. There's nothing not to like. Look, he. Jordan Love. He was late on one throw. He should have touched another touchdown early in the ball game. He just late.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Matthew. To Matthew Golden. The one of Matthew Golden. That was easy six. And it. It allowed the DB to recover.

[Mark Ocho]

Yep. I don't know why he. I don't know why he put that much air up on it. He tried.

[Chad Johnson]

He looked like he tried to touch it instead of just let it go. Just let it go.

[Mark Ocho]

Ain't no. Ain't nobody over there, bro. Just go ahead and throw that. And then he had another when he put too much on it. Cuz golden had split the seams.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

And he. He probably had a. Probably. He probably should have used a little. A shorter club. He had too much. He had too much club.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

When.

[Chad Johnson]

Just, just. Just in comparison. Matthew. Matthew golden runs a four. Four. Right. And I look at that play, I look at that play and this is where I say where I think Tyreek Hill is so special. I didn't mean to bring up Tyreek.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I.

[Chad Johnson]

But a play like that, a ball like that, where Tyreek is in that position where he split that safety net corner, he makes that catch and run.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah, but that's. That's the differ between. I mean, people run right up under that ball. That. But that's the differ between 42 and 44, though. That. Yeah, you're right. He's gonna run up under that. But there's a good chance if he. If he doesn't. If he. If he hitches, Tyreek gonna outrun it.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Mark Ocho]

So the thing is maybe in a situation like that you can't, you know, you can't take the hit. You just got to. Basically when you just let it go.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Cuz Tyreek with a free release.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Free.

[Mark Ocho]

Nah. I mean, because the thing is you got to make. You got to make Tyreek drop step. You got to make him do something. You can't just let the man have a free release like he running 100 meters. Just free go, he gone. Well, you ask you. You really asking for trouble. Yeah, but I. You had to be really impressed with the Packers. Look I'm not overly concerned against Washington. That was a buzz saw. That was a short week, and that's no excuse. But when. If you can't run the football against a team that can generate that kind of pressure, you're gonna be in for a long night, because you gotta. You got to give them something else to think about. Ocho right now. They're not thinking about anything. They're not running about Eckler. They're not worrying about merit, Koski, Merritt. They're not worried about any of those guys because what you've shown is that you can't run the football against our front four.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right?

[Mark Ocho]

So now we'll. We'll worry about the run. Hey, y' all handle that? A linebacker. Y' all handle that. We going hunting.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

They did a great job of keeping Jaden Daniels in the pocket. They did a great job of when he escaped the pocket. Because they got guys that can run. They got guys that can hunt. Hey. And the coach turned looser 8. These dogs gone hunting. And they did a great job of tracking jaden Daniels tonight. 24, 42, 200 yards, two touchdowns. He didn't turn it over, but he was under constant pressure. Michael Parsons had eight pressures alone, sacked him four times. So they probably pressured him another, you know, probably 12, 13 times tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

That's exactly what I'm going to ask you.

[Mark Ocho]

Do you.

[Chad Johnson]

Do you. Do you see the presence. The presence of Michael Parsons, how he. That defense? Obviously.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Obviously.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, they were already good even if he wasn't there. But his addition to that and speeding up everything else for whoever they're playing offensively, being destructive, throwing off the timing, helping that back end where the DBs right now. But they looking like. They looking like hall of famers out there now.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Looking like hall of Famers where it seems as if they are making all the plays. But if you don't understand the game, you look from the outside looking in, you'd be like, oh, my goodness. Boy, these boys back there is all world.

[Mark Ocho]

Oh, you're right. But that. But you can do that, Ocho.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

You look at the secondary when you had Reggie, when Reggie was in Philly, you look at those guys, all those guys that were. Because you had Reggie, you had Clyde Simmons, you had Jake, rest his soul, Jerome Brown.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Look at what you had. So ea. And them back there, they didn't have to hold up long. No, they didn't have to hold up long.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

So the ball's gonna come out quick. You got Reggie. You got Reggie on one side you got J. You got Clyde on another side, you got Jay Boogie.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, who. Eric Allen was on one side, right?

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You remember who was on the other side of Eric Allen, or do you remember?

[Mark Ocho]

It was the defense. Let me see if I can remember. They were Reggie Clyde, Jerome Brown, Byron, I think Byron Evans, Seth Joyner, EA Muddy Waters. I don't. I can't off the top of my head, Ocho. I can't.

[Chad Johnson]

I can't remember at all. All I can see, Eric Allen with that 21 on clearance. Yeah, Clear as day.

[Mark Ocho]

I can't remember who was on the other side. Ojo. Yeah, but they were. They had a very. They had a very good defense. Man, you look. E.A. he was in. He was in New Orleans. Also played in New Orleans.

[Chad Johnson]

You talk about on the. It must be on the back end, because I don't remember that.

[Mark Ocho]

I know you don't. Nah, he finished up, if I'm not mistaken. I think he finished up with the Raiders. You remember him with the Raiders?

[Chad Johnson]

I remember. I remember him with the Raiders. I remember that, and I definitely remember.

[Mark Ocho]

I think he. I think he went from Philly to New Orleans, New Orleans to the Raiders. Okay, can you check that? Eric Allen, I think he went from Philly to New Orleans and then New Orleans to New Orleans. Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, he was. When they had the. The dome. The Dome patrol, right? When they had Pat Williams, Ricky Jackson, Vaughn Johnson, and they had Sam Mills.

[Chad Johnson]

The field middle linebacker. Sam Mills.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think. I think EA Was there with them. So he's always had a pass rush in front of him. That's why he was sitting on everything. He had the record before Duron Bland broke it with those six. With those five return touchdowns.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

Cause EA Was sitting on everything. But they were, they were, they were, they were. They were loaded. They were. They were a very good team. Now, he was outstanding defensive back. He had great skills. He could take the ball, you know, he could take the ball away. And you know, the thing. He had great. He had great feet. He was small. Smallish and, you know, but he realized he didn't have to hold up long. Yeah, but a lot of those guys had. I think Ricky Jack had already gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If.

[Mark Ocho]

I'm not sure. I think Swill might have still been there. I think Sam Mills, at that point in time had already gone to Carolina, so. But they were. They. They had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Mark Ocho]

He had a. He cut his teeth over in Philly. That's where, you know, most of the people remember him from but he had an outstanding career. Jordan Love finished 9 of 15, 175 yards. Both touchdown came against the commander's blitz. On throws of 10 plus air yards. Against the blitz, Love was 6 of 8 for 144 yards and a touchdown. His 14.5 air yards per attempt is a career high. Mark Ocho, did you like what you saw from Jordan Love?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. Because the whole point of blitzing is to throw the timing off and get to you before you can get the ball out. Jordan Love is doing exactly what veteran quarterbacks do and understand, okay? Based on what I see, based on tendencies, based on watching film, I already know what's coming. One Love make his points. He communicates with that offensive line and they see what's coming. No matter how much you bluffing and rotating and doing all that, all that shenanigans, oh, we know what you're getting ready to do. And, and when a quarterback knows it ahead of time, you get the kind of night you got from him. When it comes to passing the ball when they're blitzing, I'm not sure what percentage that the commander did blitz, but I, I guarantee you 98% of the time that they did. Jordan Luck completed that pass.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah, well, you, you're right. Oh, you try to throw the timing off, but those receivers are so quick. Did you see that touchdown by Dos at the goal line?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey, I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I'm, I'm not a defensive back. Huh? I'm not a defensive back, but I love defensive back play. All he did was stick to the outside. Why you even going for the first move? You got to have patience like Sallie May. Keep your heels on the goal line and don't go nowhere.

[Mark Ocho]

What you, what you moving for?

[Chad Johnson]

He didn't even make a move because it was stab outside and come in.

[Mark Ocho]

Because, because when you study Green Bay. What, what did devonte Adams, what route did devonte Adams catch so much, but it got that fade stopping that speed out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey, how many times we don't see devonte Adam run that two yard out for a touchdown? Yeah, you better go for it, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right because it go.

[Mark Ocho]

Because here's the thing. Oo. If that man run that speed out and you're not close, they're like, bro, what you waiting on? Why, why you playing to see men, right? That's a really, that's a really hard. And that's why I say, ooh, if you up there. If you, if you up there, Ocho, are you gonna press or not? Because if you up in a press position, you gotta get your hands on the guy. You gotta got free relief. You up there, you let a guy free release you beat. Yeah, especially down there because you get Ocho, the man ain't got but 2, 3 yards. Go for a touchdown. So he completed. He in the end zone.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

You're right.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I, I never understood with dbs, there's one DB that I've seen that's been able to do it because he's, he's so disciplined.

[Mark Ocho]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Movement is so good. Where he can be up and press and not touch you at all because he can stay in front of you the whole time. And that's Denzel Ward. Obviously you have other, other players that are good that do it a little differently, but they love to use their hands to maintain a leverage throughout the right route, throughout the route and stay on top of you. But I listen, you gotta, if you're gonna get up there and press, put your hands on them and throw the timing off.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Because it throws the timing off right away.

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[Mark Ocho]

Conditions apply Yep, we got a very special guest joining us tonight. Packers hall of Famer. He. He received his hall of Fame ring tonight. My brother. We became the first two brothers to be inducted in the Pro Football hall of Fame. And he takes a few moments out of his time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's drunk.

[Mark Ocho]

I mean, I think that's him. I mean, I mean, I can't see a whole lot, but I think that's him. I mean, your phone muted. Your phone. Can somebody tell Jamie that his phone is muted?

[Chad Johnson]

He gonna get it. He working on it. He working on it. He working on it.

[Mark Ocho]

No, it just. See, he like me. He can't work. He can't work. Technology, E. Nope. We can't hear you, bro. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about now?

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, grab my jacket, please. How about now?

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah. Oh, you. Oh, you just got out of the car. So you at the hotel now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I just got. I just got to the hotel.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah. Are you in Green Bay or you in Appleton?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm in Green Bay. Brad just left the game.

[Mark Ocho]

Oh, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just left the game.

[Mark Ocho]

So you get your ring. So now this is. This is the final piece. You got the. You got the. You got the Call when we were and came down to Atlanta, you get fitted, you go to, you know, all that stuff, the super bowl, you get fitted and then all the build up to it, you get to the ceremony, the induction in August, and now this is the final piece in front of those stands that you cut your teeth and you made a name. And you made the Sharp family the first Sharp and you made us proud. So now, after you've had all this opportunity, you had the better parts of seven months to absorb this, what did this moment finally mean? Has it finally hit you now, really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, the thing is, it's one of those things is the line of what has to happen kind of thing. You know how. You know how it goes. We, we went through this. We went through this when you went through it, you know, we. We went through the whole. We went through the whole, you know, this is what we have to do. This is where you have to be. This is what you're going to get. So it's just another step in the process, man. And I just look at it that way. I don't look at it as. You know, my career ended in 1994. You know, my football was done in 1994. And this is just an extenuation of, you know, being able to come back and stand in front of the fans that I played in front of to let them know that I appreciate them, you know, to get a ring that. That is 10 times too big to wear every day to do anything with. But, you know, it was a good time. I got. I got Susan some here. They're right there. There they go right there. There, there.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey, Sue. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There they go, right? Is that.

[Mark Ocho]

Hold on. Is that Susan Vermin right here?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here she go, right there.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Sue. Yeah, but see, we. We were doing, you know, it was good. We. We got a chance to come back and do that and. And just be here.

[Mark Ocho]

So, I mean, you gotta. Well, think about it, man. I don't know. When was the last time Susan was back in Green Bay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

2004. Yeah, 2004. Yeah, 204. Yeah. So it's been a while. It has been.

[Mark Ocho]

And you hadn't been back since, what, you went to the ring. You went to the ring of honor, right? So you've only been back a couple times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hosted. I hosted the first show for NFL Network after they won the Super bowl in 2011. I can't 09 or 20. Okay. So I came back when they played the. Had the first game on Thursday night, and I was At NFL Network then. So I hosted then.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, yeah. Since 2011. Back for your. For your podcast. The first time I came back since 2011.

[Mark Ocho]

Wow. We can tell. We can tell. You just got on the elevator, too. We got eyes everywhere. We all hear your conversation, and that's the whole point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The point is, bro, hey, game's over on. Festivities over, bro. It's time to go to bed now. We all our way back up to the room.

[Mark Ocho]

What? Y' all leave. Y' all leave first day, first thing in the morning, because y' all gotta go for. Y' all fly directly. You got to go to Chicago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta go to Chicago.

[Mark Ocho]

Oh, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But no, it was a. It was a great night, man. We got a chance to enjoy some friends we haven't seen in a while. I got Perry.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ron Halam, of course. Hall of Famer Leroy Butler was here. Olympian Dan Jansen was here. So it was a good time. You know, it was a good. It was a good time for. It was a good time for us, man. So we. We enjoyed that. We did that. And now we back at the room, getting ready to get our stuff packed and get out of here.

[Mark Ocho]

I mean, what. What does it mean? Because a lot of those. A lot of those people that were in attendance tonight, they didn't get an opportunity to personally see. Some did, but not a lot of those people didn't get an opportunity to see your. See you personally see your career. What does it mean to you? What did it feel like to have 70,000 fans, really? Because they. They love their packer player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

80.

[Mark Ocho]

80. 80,000 fans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

80,000. To be able to let them know that, you know, I. I know that I'm playing.

[Mark Ocho]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I said tonight, Shan, I got to say, in front of grands and great grands, right?

[Mark Ocho]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it was. It was. It was pretty cool to be able to talk to grands and great grands about what it meant for me to be, you know, for. To. For. I understood, you know, because. And, you know, when I first got to Green Bay, they weren't very good. No, they were not. And when I left Green Bay, they were a lot better. And the wonderful thing about our fans is they're not fair weather, Bruh. Whether it's minus 300 degrees or if it's 86, they show up, Ocho. They show up. I mean, Ocho, my brother's first NFL game, I thought I'd killed him because he froze to death.

[Mark Ocho]

That's how cold it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the thing was, is he was there the Fans were there also, so it was. It's tremendous to be able to let them know because, you know, when I left the game, the fans didn't know I wasn't coming back, right? They didn't know. You know, all they knew was, is, oh, he had a neck injury. He didn't get to play in the two playoff games. And so he is, you know, God, we're building something. They didn't know that that was my last game.

[Mark Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had no idea. So. And. And. And I don't know if you guys got a chance to say goodbye. You know, I got a chance to say hello because I was the seventh pick in the first round, right? But I. I never got a chance to say goodbye. Not that I needed one, but, you know, if you say hello, you really kind of feel like you want a chance to say goodbye. And tonight I got a chance to do that.

[Mark Ocho]

That's awesome. No, I retired, you remember, in 04, you know, CBS gave me the call and they. They asked me to sit at the table, and I realized, and, you know, you're like, look, man, you get too old to play football. You don't get too old to talk. And there's no guarantee that this position will be available next year when you really want to retire because you want to go back and get year 15. There's nothing you can do that's going to change people's perception of you. You got the championships, you got all the records. You, hey, go ahead and take this job. And it was an easy. An easy decision for me. Now I just called Mike and said, mike, I appreciate the opportunity that I would really love to come back, but this opportunity that I have that's before me right now is just too good to pass up. I had a thing, I got. My teammates came back, and I was like, hey, thank you guys for everything. But out the door, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And that's. But. But, you know, when you play, we're all at different stages or parts or reasons for playing this game. I played football because I wanted to. I played football to impress my brother. And when it was over for me, and I said this to the media tonight, the only two people that were happier that my career ended were the two doctors that told me I should never play again. I was okay with my career ending. I was okay with moving on. I was okay with using my college degree to be able to see what was out there, what was next. I was looking forward to what was. I was looking forward to what was next. And so being able to do that Man, I was. I was happy about being able to do next. I was really prepared for being able to do next. And I was in a neck brace and didn't know what was going to be next. I didn't know what was going to be next.

[Mark Ocho]

Right. So, man, congratulations, man. Thanks for taking time out. I know you got a lot going on. I know you got to get packed and you ready to get up out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, man, no. Hey, hey, hey. I. I want to do. I want to do one thing for your. Is she over here? Yeah, don't worry. Oh, she's not there yet. Hold on, man, because I want. I want to introduce your audience. You know how I am, man. I don't do. I don't do. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't do recognition very well. I don't. I never have. I'm more of a behind the scenes, somebody else gets the recognition. But I want. I. I would love the opportunity. If you will allow me two minutes. If she's here, I want to introduce you to the architect on why I came back to Green Bay. I have not been on Lambo's Field since the day I stood on that field watching the. The playoff game, the last playoff game. So I have not been back. But I want to see if she. Oh, she's here. Hold on. She's here. Hold on. Okay. So, bro, Bro, this is Kathy. Hey.

[Mark Ocho]

I met her at the hall of Fame.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would not. I would. I would not be here if it wasn't for her. You know me, bro. I'm not nostalgic. I'm not that kind of guy that needs my ego stroked or, oh, well, let me. Let me come back and be recognized. But the reason I came back to Green Bay on this night to get my ring, because I told the hall of Famers, just send it to the house. The reason I came back is for her because she has been. She's wonderful at what she does. She is very passionate about what she does. And you know what? She got me through this. She said she would. She was the reason that the party went so well.

[Mark Ocho]

It was amazing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The party went so well. Then you were there. You know what that looked like and how that works. This is Kathy. She made this work. And I. I just want to give her her flowers while I can in front of your audience. Thank you, Ocho, and let her know that I really appreciate her. She's a member of the family now, so we can talk to her any way we want because she's in the family.

[Mark Ocho]

Well, Kathy, thank you, but no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She's the reason I came back. And it was a good night. We had a good time. We're gonna have one more drink, and.

[Mark Ocho]

We going to bed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Mark Ocho]

Kathy, thank you for the great job that you did at the hall of Fame. It was unbelievable. I. I speak for everybody that was in attendance, especially my family. It was very well put together. Thank you for handling everything to get him and the family to and from Lambo to receive his ring. I personally can't thank you enough. But on half of the Sharp family, thank you for all you've done for my brother and this whole entire process. Well, thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. It's our pleasure, really. All right, man. All right, man. Y' all lay it down like y' all supposed to. We'll talk later.

[Mark Ocho]

Thank you. All right, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah, I know he doesn't, man. Log off. I know he doesn't think so. My brother's going to have a fourth surgery on his eye, his right eye. He had. He found out he had a detached retina, and he almost lost the eye. And he's had several surgeries on the eye, trying to get it corrected. And this is one of the reasons that they had it so early. He drove to Canton, and he really didn't. He really didn't want to come because the pressure, the doctor says, you know, you keep risking it going up into that pressurized situation with the eye. So he's going to have his fourth surgery on his eye later this month, and hopefully they get it corrected. And it's a process that he has to spend about 14 hours a day face down for six weeks. He has to sleep in that position. So he bought one of those cradle tables, like a massage therapist. So he spends the bulk of his day face down. It might be more than that. I think it's somewhere between 14 and 20 hours a day face down for six weeks. And so I want to take the time now to, hopefully that thing, it goes well this time, and we won't have to have another surgery on the eye. And. And he gets to keep the eye. So nightcap family say a prayer for him as he. He's about to go on, you know, go through another surgery, and hopefully this time, they get it. They get it corrected.

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like it. I like Del Pit coming out publicly like that. Obviously you look at so many players that went that, that play against the Raven, that played against the Titan when Derek Kim was there, that turned away from contact, that shied away from contact, that chose to allow him to run by him, and they rather attack them from the side and make a business decision instead of attacking them head on. Del Pit is one of the few. I mean, there might be maybe one or maybe one or two other safeties that really just don't care. They don't care nothing about their bodies and they're gonna go in there and stick their face in there and it's made. It's man on man, it's mighty on on Imano Delpit kind of setting the tone for the defense coming out with comments like that. Obviously giving the Ravens bullets board material, but them having the personnel to be able to back that up now they, now they got to do just that. They got to back it up. Catch his ass going left and right, catch him going east and west. Once you allow him to get north going north, you already know what time it is.

[Mark Ocho]

But that's the problem, what time it is. You do realize now Derek Henry's gonna go out of his way to see if you bought that. You know what I'm saying?

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

You know, he's gonna go out of his way and we gonna see. We're going to see if it's not as hard as you said it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Mark Ocho]

There ain't a whole lot of safeties that's looking to tackle Derrick Henry head on, especially if he know you coming. See, it's either to sneak up on somebody or you hit somebody. You know, he's trying to stiff arm somebody and you catch him, now he knows. Oh, Grant. What's the number, y'? All okay, don't worry about it. Don't, don't, don't worry about it. I got it.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I got it.

[Mark Ocho]

I'll take, I'll take it from here.

[Chad Johnson]

I like it because we don't.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey, whoever. Hey, don't block him, Zay. Don't worry about him. Hey, get somebody else. Hey, you take Denzel Ward, because I don't want him to try to have it to chase me down.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

I'll take care of the Safety. Because, you know, oo in a situation like that, a lot of times we can't block everybody. There's one person free. It's kind of like the punt returner. Turner. We gonna have everybody else blocked up. You got the punter, you gotta block him.

[Chad Johnson]

I take everything else.

[Mark Ocho]

I take everything else. Dang. Everybody say, hey, don't even worry about Grant Delpit. I got that.

[Chad Johnson]

I like it.

[Mark Ocho]

But look, this is an old look. There's no love lost between these two teams. No, I. Baltimore is seething. They know they let a game. But so is Cleveland. Cleveland. Say we had. We had the Bengals dead to right. We missed a pat and a field goal.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Lamar Jackson. And that. That Baltimore Raven said, hold on, wait a minute, man. We had a 15 point lead, under four minutes to go. Oh, we about to go ahead and try to do something bad to y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Mark Ocho]

Miles Garrett said, y' all ain't about to do nothing bad to nobody. Not if I got something to say about it. But I tell you what, number 77 better do a better job than what he did against in Buffalo.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that was. That was bad, huh? That. That was bad. That was bad. He looked like he was lost on some plate.

[Mark Ocho]

I thought he was out there doing.

[Chad Johnson]

The Macarena just because he didn't have anybody in front of him. Obviously, if nobody's in front of you, the closest man to you, help your partner out. Look to your right, help your partner out. He going. He's sitting there turning in circles. Not touching nobody.

[Mark Ocho]

Nope.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, what are we doing?

[Mark Ocho]

Head up inside. Most dangerous man. That's how we block normally to your inside, which is you gotta got head up. That's you.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

You gotta got inside out. That's you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Other than that, if ain't nobody there, you take the most dangerous man. Like you said, Ocho, hey, help somebody out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. You know what I do like too? From. From Grant. We don't get this enough. We don't get this enough in today's NFL. We don't get players coming out and not saying anything malicious, but posing a competitive challenge to their opponent. I like it because now for me, there are a lot of games that's being played at one o'. Clock.

[Mark Ocho]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

There are a lot of games going to be being played at one o', clock, but you know which one I want to tune into simply because of the. The back and forth between those two. I want to see the Browns and I want to see the Ravens because I want to see what's going to Happen when the Ravens are on offense and they have to run the ball and is granted Delpic going to come to the party when the door is open. That's all I want to see. That's. That's all I want to say. Amongst the other things that those teams have to offer offensively and defensively. Everybody's gonna be watching 22 versus what. What number? Del Pit. Well, he wear one. I know Craig do some zero.

[Mark Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Whatever it is, I. I want to see. I can't wait. I can't. I'm gonna be front and center. Matter of fact, I'm gonna be at the sports book, and I'm gonna tell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him in the sports book.

[Chad Johnson]

I want the Ravens and Browns game on the big screen.

[Mark Ocho]

I want to know he's 909.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Okay.

[Mark Ocho]

Okay.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

My thing is, Ocho is like, look, I don't have a guy. Because here's the thing. There are no ramifications if. Because if he lose, they gonna say, well, what did you want him to say? No, I wanted you to do what you said you was gonna do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Mark Ocho]

Don't talk about, oh, it was a game. And, you know, hey, I ain't backing out. No, no, no, no, no. You said that. Man ain't hard to tackle. Now, I'm gonna need you to drop some lumber. I'm need you to drop anchor and make Derrick Henry feel you.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

I ain't talking about no side and jumping on his back and the whole. But no, you said he's not hard to tackle. I want to see if he's not. I don't. I don't want to see. I ain't talking about Miles Garrett. I'm not talking about nobody else. I'm talking about you. You said that. So now you wrote checks. Everybody else got a cash. Now, I don't know how much money y' all got as a defense in this account, but all I know is that you wrote a check that y' all ass going to have to cash.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like it. I like it.

[Mark Ocho]

That's. That's all I know.

[Chad Johnson]

And.

[Mark Ocho]

And.

[Chad Johnson]

And most of the time, when a player comes out and speak. And speaks out as you look at you look at me, most of the time, from an officer player, when I did all that talking for 11, 11, 12 years, however long I played, I knew one thing. Not only do I have to back it up, but I put pressure on myself. I took the pressure off the rest of my teammates. So all they had to do is go out there and do Their job because I had 10 other people trying to knock my head off.

[Mark Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't play on the defensive side of the ball. Now, if you play on defense and you come out, you're talking like that, oh, you ain't got no choice but to sword because not all eyes are on you.

[Mark Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

All the pressure's on you now. You got to fulfill everything you said, man.

[Mark Ocho]

Right about.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I can't wait.

[Mark Ocho]

We know there's no love loss between these two teams. You know, they're in the same division. They've been in the same division. Like I said, the Ravens were the old Browns. Now the Browns have their own team. That just goes to show you what. Think about it. Now the NFL made Art Modell leave the Cleveland brown colors and the records in Cleveland. No other team in the history of moving has ever had to do that. The Cardinals did not leave there in St. Louis. They took them. The Raiders. They moved from Oakland to la. La. Back to Oakland, Oakland to Vegas. They still silver and black, and they still got their records. The Rams have moved. They were in St. Louis. So were the Cardinals. Nobody. Even the Houston. The Houston Oilers, they moved to Tennessee. They didn't have to leave that. The Colts were in Baltimore.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

They left in 1984 in the middle of the night. They didn't tell anybody.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Only Art Model had to leave his colors and the records, and they got a new team.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

So there's no love loss, especially between The City and Mr. Model. But a lot of the people that was there during that process. The Ravens have been in Baltimore now since 1996. Since 1996. So damn near 30 years. Well, if 30 years, what's the hostility for, right? Look, I, I, I play, you know, Look, I obviously, I played two years with the Ravens, and we played the Browns. We beat them, Beat the hell out of them the first two years. They beat us the second year there. But I'm gonna see. I'm, I'm with you. I'm gonna make sure I'm watching, you know, I'm gonna make sure I have my box on and have my. Look my, My computer, because I'll be watching. Because I want to see. Now you best believe. Now I'm gonna say, ocho, I saw somebody with an alligator, Alligator mouth, with a hummingbird ass. Because somebody was doing a lot of talking.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

And he have a lot of bricks in his back pocket. So we go. We gonna see this. Oh, yo. Hey, let's start. They got some great games on Sunday. They got the Eagles. They Got the, we got the super bowl rematch. Super bowl rematch. But I'm gonna play very close attention to that game.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah, absolutely. Listen. For me, the number one game to watch for me, despite the super bowl rematch is the Ravens and the Brown simply because of the trash talk and exchanging trash talk. If the goddamn Chiefs happen to start owing to, well, hey, it might be time to hit the panic button. But again, if you, if you have 15 at the helm, what you do in September really doesn't matter because by the time you get to the back end of the season when it matters most, the Chiefs are going to be in the race. So regardless of who wins this, this, this early super bowl rematch in week two ain't really mean. It ain't really meaning nothing.

[Mark Ocho]

So we're going to find out. Cleveland doing a lot of talking. We're going to find out if they're going to be able to back it up. The question also, Ocho, the Ravens, what if they fall to 0 and 2?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, well, hey, I think the Ravens fall in 0 and 2 and the Chiefs fall into 0 and 2. There's no reason to hit the panic button.

[Mark Ocho]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

There's no reason because who are the quarterbacks? Patrick Mahomes. Who's the quarterback? Lamar Jackson. That's a hole that they can dig themselves out of.

[Mark Ocho]

But also look at the quarterbacks in the division with them, Joe Burrow and Aaron Rodgers. That's not the normal cast of characters that you normally see with a team. Cuz. Okay, now go to go to Patrick Mahomes division, you got Justin Herbert, you got Bo Nicks. So you got guys now that got qu that can get great quarterback play. So this notion that, oh, it's a no brainer.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no.

[Mark Ocho]

Now mind you, you've already lost to the Chiefs, I mean to the Chargers.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yes.

[Mark Ocho]

And next week you're on the road to the Giants. So it's not like the Chiefs got an easy schedule because when you to win the division, you got your, you know, you got your team that you're going to play outside of. You got your division cross matchups. Maybe it's, I think Kansas City might play the NFC east or something like that, but then you also get division winners from other divisions. So a ain't no, ain't no cupcakes.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

No, no.

[Mark Ocho]

Hey, they, hey, that's one thing about the NFL. They make you earn it year after year.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Oh yeah, Ocho.

[Mark Ocho]

After Sunday's loss to the Commanders, Malik Neighbors explained a fiery sideline exchange with head coach Brian Dayball. As an attempt to boost people up because he felt like the team's energy was not where it needed to be. I was trying to get the offense going. I was trying to tell people, get rolling. The lights were on, the game was on. It's time to play. I feel like we just got pushed over and everybody was just talking about attitude and stuff like that. It's just. I got that NBF nasty B face. You know what I'm saying? That's just what it is. That's just my face. I don't know. I don't know what all you. What all you talk to me about to talk to me. I look the same way every time. I don't know. It's just how I am, but I guess I have to smile more. He said that he's spoken to Coach Day Ball about just the sideline demeanor since the game and knows he has to be more conscious of it in the future because of how many eyes are on him during the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Most definitely. You know, they, they will misconstrue that. They will misconstrue your passion, you know, at that position, especially playing receiver. Now when you have a. When you have a quarterback that does the same things like that and he shows that passion, enthusiasm for the game to get his teammates going and you're, you're, you're. You're having confrontation and what they think is conversation from the outside looking in, and it's just you reacting to the low. What's the word? The low excitement of your team and trying to get everybody going. Trying to get. Trying to get the fellas to get to going when things aren't going well. Maybe things are going well, not going well offensively or things aren't going well defensively and hyping everybody up around you. Sometimes it works. But when you're, when you're a skill position, it is. Is frowned upon. It's proud. You have to carry yourself a certain way because the mannerisms in which you do. They call it disgruntled. If a quarterback does it, they call it passion. It's the same act, but they word it differently depending on who you are and what position you do play. Yeah, because. And especially playing that goddamn New York.

[Mark Ocho]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

Got to be.

[Mark Ocho]

They get lab. You get labeled. This grown. You get labeled. They use the term malcontent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Mark Ocho]

You. You know, I'm saying you a diva.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Well, why. Why can't I have passion? Why can't I want to win?

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right.

[Mark Ocho]

Oh, I'm. I'm selfish.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Right, Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, listen, we've seen one man.

[Mark Ocho]

Passion is another man's selfishness. It's another man's diva.

[Chad Johnson]

The funny thing about it is we've seen Tom Brady do it on the sideline. I'm talking about go the hell off.

[Mark Ocho]

Yes. A lot of quarterbacks do it. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not. We've seen Peyton Manning do it. I mean, go the hell off. I'm talking about screaming at his offensive lineman.

[Mark Ocho]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You remember that. Remember that clip chat? If y' all remember the clip with. With Jeff Saturday and Peyton Manning going. Yeah, on the side. Oh, my goodness. That happens all the time. It happens all the time. But when DEZ Bryant doesn't. Oh, it's an issue. Oh, it's a problem. When Steve. Ms. Steve Smith does it, it's a problem. When does it was a problem. But anytime it's a quarterback that does the exact same thing in a passionate manner is definitively described different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

Always been that way.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Always.

[Mark Ocho]

And it always will. So we're not going to change it by discussing it here tonight. People gonna look at it one way. It all depends on who's doing it.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

So that's where we are on that. One thing that Ben Johnson became known for as an offensive coordinator in Detroit was the trick plays. But Dan Campbell said trick plays are the least of his concern as he gets ready for Johnson's offense. You practice one or two things you do every. For every opponent. But I don't really care about trick plays. Let's just handle the meat potatoes of an offense on the defense and what we think they're going to hang their hat on. Let's stop that first. Let's worry about that. Let's make sure we're all on point and we'll handle the other stuff. They may hit us with one. That's. That's all right. That happens. Get back to the huddle. Let's get on to the next play. Ocho, you give the Bears a chance to beat Detroit in Detroit?

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think they. They have a. They have a chance in general simply because Ben Johnson knows the Lions very well. He knows the deficiencies in which they have defensively. He knows what he can attack and what he can attack. He knows what plays the call to play to the strengths of Caleb Williams and he knows Caleb Williams weaknesses as well. Again, collectively as a team. Offensively, they're going to have to play well. They're going to have to play well. And Caleb has to make all the right decisions when it comes to throwing the football. He got to make all the right decisions and be a little bit more accurate, huh? Because you're not going to get very many chances. The chances that you do have, you have to maximize on all opportunities. We have opportunity for big catches, big plays and touchdowns.

[Mark Ocho]

You do. And he let one slip. He had. He had D.J. moore, I think, and he overshot him. Obviously. He should have put that ball in there because they kind of blew the coverage and he kind of sailed it on him. Yeah, that's what you're saying. When you get opportunities like that, you get. When you get opportunity, when someone makes a mistake.

[Chad Johnson]

Gotta make.

[Mark Ocho]

You got to make them pay.

[Chad Johnson]

Gotta make.

[Mark Ocho]

Because guess what happens if a guy misses a block. If. If there's an unblocked defensive lineman, he's gonna hit your quarterback in the back and he's gonna make him fumble the ball. Yes, sir. So you've got to make them pay the ultimate price when they make a mistake. You got to hit your head on the goal post. You can't say, damn, man, I missed that up. No, you can't miss that because they're not going to miss that opportunity. I guarantee you, they get a free rusher, they're going to make a quarterback turn it over. That. And it's really. That's the gist of it. And you mess around and make a mistake on the other side of the ball, they're going to make you pay for it. So you need to make guys pay for the mistakes that they make. So if they don't have. If you have an unblocked lineman take the ball away, if they blow an assignment and the safety in the corner get mixed up about who was supposed to roll or take. You got to make them pay.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yes.

[Mark Ocho]

That's what you got to do. And I don't think the Bears did that because they had some opportunities the other night against Minnesota and Caleb Williams didn't make them pay. But when they got their opportunities, Minnesota made them pay.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Hey. Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

And so that's what has to happen this week on the road. You're playing in a hostile environment. Yeah. They're familiar with each other. Obviously. Dan Campbell was the head coach, so he knows his 10. He knows Ben Johnson tendencies. Now, the thing is, the D coordinator, now, I don't know, he might been. Been brought up because obviously AG is the head coach of the Jets.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

But they kind of know. They kind of know what? What, What? Ben likes to run. Because guess what? In training camp, you script. Okay, I want to see. I want to see this defense against this formation. I want to see. I want to see this formation against this defense.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

Excuse me. So you set plays up, you're familiar with each other, even though the DC wasn't in the DC role when Ben was there. So. But you know, look, Caleb is on the clock. Caleb has to play better now because guess what? They're not going to blame Ben Johnson.

[Chad Johnson]

Nice. It's going to the quarterback. And listen, there was a graphic. I'm not sure what the graphic. What the graphic was, but in their first two seasons. Well, and then you look at the numbers in comparison when Mitch Trubisky was there and Caleb Williams, numbers look very similar. They look very similar.

[Mark Ocho]

They do.

[Chad Johnson]

They look very similar. So they do. I mean, I'm excited for that game. I think the winner in this game is whichever team could get the other to be one dimensional. The Bears got to be able to run the ball to be able to execute what they want to do offensively. And the same thing goes for the Lions. The Lions in their first game, they weren't really able to establish the run like they normally would with Montgomery and Gibbs. So this is the game where they need to establish a run so it can open up their offense so their office of play caller can be able to do more and open up the playbook.

[Mark Ocho]

Yep, you're right. They're gonna. I mean, both teams, because Green Bay did a great job of shutting down the run. And then guess what? Putting pressure on Jerry Goff. Yeah, that's what the Bears are going to try to do. Bears going to try to put pressure on golf because he's not mobile and he's not a guy that really makes plays outside of the pocket. He makes plays on script. Great play call. He can execute it. But now when you got to get our script rolling out of the pocket, throwing on the move. That's not what he's. That's not what he's good at.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

No.

[Mark Ocho]

And so the Bears are going to try to make him uncomfortable. Dennis Allen has done a great job. He's one of the better defensive coordinators in this league. And so we're going to find. We're going to find out. Somebody's going to 02. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

No matter what. No matter.

[Mark Ocho]

Somebody's going nowhere, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Just like Saturday, huh? Just like Saturday. Both fighters, Canelo and Bud, got a zero. Somebody gonna have an L. We don't know who, but who's ever.

[Mark Ocho]

Canelo already got one loss. Remember, he lost.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, okay, my bad.

[Mark Ocho]

He has two, actually, two losses, Mayweather and Boba.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. I'm, I just drew a blank trying to, trying to do the comparison.

[Mark Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

These two teams.

[Mark Ocho]

But, but we're gonna find out. Caleb gotta, Caleb just got to make the plays and, but the thing, I think the biggest thing for Caleb is that, is he going to be a guy that makes like, make plays from the pocket? Yeah, he seems, he seems to like, he, he's better outside of the pocket making plays on the move.

[Unidentified Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Mark Ocho]

And it's, it's hard to win a championship like that. Most guys look, that's auxiliary. Your meat and potatoes need to be throwing the ball from the pocket. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

He can do both though, huh? He can do, he can do both.

[Mark Ocho]

Well, we're about to find out. We're gonna find out.

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