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Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Sterling Sharpe gets inducted to HOF + Micah Parsons requests trade | Nightcap
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Chad Ochocinco
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Unknown Host
Take your time.
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Chad Ochocinco
Obviously I went through this. I experienced this 14 years ago in 2011 and it was unbelievable. I mean it was a great honor. But this one topped it. This one topped it because of the significance of it. What my brother meant to me and OO to be in that Nitsky luncheon on Friday and hear Rod Woodson and hear Neil Williams and hear Daryl Green and some of the, the defensive Players, be it Richard Dent and a Johnny Randall. Say, man, this was long overdue for your brother to hear, to hear them say that because they're. I already knew it. You preaching to the choir. I sing up here every Sunday, so you. I, I ain't new to the car. I ain't in the con. I ain't new to the congregation. I'm here, I'm backing you up every week. So I know what he is. I know what he was. And to, to, to see him finally get that recognition. And to my mom, you know, there'll be other moms that have sons in the pro football hall of Fame, but they won't be first. To have my sister and my coach who coach both of us coach my entire family, my kids there, my sister in law and my niece Susan and Summer there to, to, to witness that and to experience that. Ocho man, that's a great feeling, man. Ocho man, I can't. It's. It's hard for me to describe Ocho and, and I knew I would be emotional even though I had already, you know, I was his presenter and I had already done my part video. So I had. Did that a couple of weeks before. And so I thought. But the more he talked, more he talked. And when he says, I only have a couple of minutes left, but the last couple of minutes, I won't, I won't. I want you, you gotta come up here.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
And when he called, and when he called me to the stage and I had no idea what he was gonna say, he, you know, he didn't write anything down. He was the only one that didn't have notes. He didn't have anything. He said, I'm just gonna speak from the heart. That's how, you know, that's pretty much how he does all his speaking. And to hear him say that everything he did was for an audience. He didn't care what you wrote about him. He didn't care what you said about him. None of that mattered because the only person that he wanted to impress was me. Everything that he did was because of me. And to hear him says, you know, you know, you can't leave without, without, without following. And to hear him, because it's almost like I'm, like is replaying the very, the very words and how I felt about him, how I feel about him. And to hear him say that and to know the relationship that he and I have, and I think people got an opportunity to see that on full display even on Friday night at the Gold jacket presentation when you know, you walk the gauntlet, you go through all the hall of Famers, and we had a. We had almost a record, Joe. We had 111 members back then. I'll mind you, of 382. My brother is the 382nd member of the Pro Football hall of Fame. And if I'm not mistaken, I think there are 181 living members. Okay, so that means they're over. There are 200, 201 that are no longer with us. Talking to Bobby Bell this morning, getting on the plane. He's 115. There's only six with a lower number than him that's still remaining. So. And then, you know, you know, seeing all that, but to be there and to experience it. Yeah, Ocho, my brother's really not an emotional guy. Like I said, I think I've only a handful of times. And like he said, when. When Papa died, he didn't cry. When. When. When. When dad. When Daddy died, he didn't cry. When Granny passed, he didn't. But to be in his presence and to know what this moment meant to him. My brother don't let a whole lot of things bother him. But to be around him, Ocho, because I know him better than anybody. I know him better than anybody. I know what this moment meant to him. I know what he felt. My sister said, hell, I thought he was gonna pick you up off the floor at the Gold Jacket ceremony. I said, yeah, throw his back out in the process. But, Ocho, man, to see. To see how he was walking around and to see the love and the kudos that he was getting from those other Gold Jacket wearers and the members and at his party and to have the bust and to have his family, because we don't get. We don't. Like I said, Ocho, we don't get together much. And. And I said, we, bro. We got to do a better job of that. I say, look, when you really cut it down to. I say us is me, you, mama and Libby, my kids, you know, Susan. And somebody said, we gotta do a better job, bro. We gotta do a better job. I said, you know, theoretically, mom could out still outlive us long, but come on, we can do a better job than what we've been doing. But, Ocho, that was. That was the crown of the Chiefs. There ain't nothing topping that. Ain't nothing topping that, Ocho, because there. There. There's. There's. If you play a sport, to go into your sports heaven, and that's what the hall of Fame is. Be it baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, swimming, rock and roll hall of fame, and if you go into your professions, heaven. That's what the hall of fame is you when you get there.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Okay, now that's it. That's it. And man, I, I, I cried. I've been up all night. The, the love and the respect that was shown to my brother, man.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, I already. Listen, you. I. Boy, I already know. I already know. I got to be one.
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Chad Ochocinco
I post Jordan posted so much stuff. I like, what? Damn. I'm looking at my feed and I'm like, well, damn, did you go to sleep? You posted in the middle of the night. Because every, Every time. Collab, collab, post, post, post.
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Unknown Host
Somebody sent me something. They didn't have your information. You saw this photo gallery I sent you?
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Chad Ochocinco
You just sent me something.
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Unknown Host
No, this was a few days ago, remember?
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
Information. Shoot. They sent me the whole photo gallery.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, man, it's. It's that moment, bro. And, you know, riding in the parade and everybody. Because it was the packers. The packers traveled really well. And to see some of his teammates, because I don't know if you noticed, Ocho, when he sat down with me, I didn't know this at the time. I didn't. I didn't know. He never shared this. And so what he said on the pod was the first time that when he had his neck surgery, no one called him. Not a teammate, not a coach, not a front office. We call hell getting him to accept them doing this party. I said, because what I told him, I said, now, you have to understand, the people that's in place now weren't in place then. I said, now, I'm not saying that your anger isn't warranted. I said, but in this situation, it's misplaced. The people that you should be upset with.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, they lied.
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Chad Ochocinco
They were there. And I didn't know. Like I said, Ocho, I didn't know that I did oo the man. There's a chance that he could have been paralyzed from neck down. He. He been. Could have been a quadriplegic. Now, mind you, he. Last season, he still has tied for the third most receiving touchdowns in a single season, and he never played another season. So he goes under the knife and not. No, not. Just imagine, Ocho. You go through a surgery that you could be paralyzed or worse. The owner, a coach, a teammate, not even TJ Not Carson, not the general manager, not your head coach, not even you, Jack. No one calls you and checks on you listen.
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Unknown Host
That is it. That tells you all you need to. All you need to know, though. You hear me? So think about the people you just named. Think about the people you just named. Nothing is even wrong with me and everybody you just name. I talk to at least three. Three times a month, mind you. I have. I am of no value to Marvin Lewis anymore. I'm of no value to Hugh Jackson anymore. Hell, TJ, me and TJ, we in a group chat with about 20 bangles. So that's. That's a constant, a constant, you know, form of communication. But that. That would hurt so bad.
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Chad Ochocinco
It did.
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Unknown Host
The people that I went to war with, the people that I'm playing for, not giving me a call with. With the extent of my injury, with a chance I could be paralyzed and I can't play ball no more. And nobody reached out. Not a flower, not a card.
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Chad Ochocinco
I'm.
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Unknown Host
I'm sorry. But.
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Chad Ochocinco
So I think that, that, that bothered him the most. And he still. I was like, bro, you know, and. And he's. He's finally like, like letting it go. Cuz my. My brother, you know, he, you know, he. He's. He don't hit you over the head with it, but carries his Bible, he goes to church, he reads the scripture. So he's. And so he's learned oo that I. I've got to let this go. He. He says I can't be what I'm proclaiming to be if I still have this in my heart. And so. But it was. It was tough for him. I'm number. I'm number 267. He's member 382. I think they said over 30,000 men have played this game, coached this game, owned the team, been a general manager. 30,382 men have a gold jacket. They said over 300. What is it? 300 million men have played the game of football. Let that sink in on your 300 million. So my mom, my mom's like, I got two boys talking about, I probably need to scan. I might have another son out there somewhere. I said, you don't. You don't. You ain't got another son, you ain't got another daughter. I promise you. This is all. This is all you got. You got what you got? Daddy. Hey. You told Daddy shot was closed after me. You say, hey. When they ask you, they say, papa ask you say, well, Alice, what you want? Dad, I don't give a damn if it's a lizard. I'm done. So you got what you Got mama. That's it. But she was happy. My fault. My coach, Coach hall, like I said, you know, he was there, coached all my uncles. My uncle started. Started. Started graduating high school in 1966. 1966, I graduated 86. He taught for 50 years. And having him there. But. Oo. I. I don't know if you saw this. I know you couldn't pick it up, but at the gold jacket ceremony, what they did, they started doing. I don't know when they started it. This is my first time back since 2019. Is that. Obviously you walk the gauntlet, you know, so you have four guys, two walk this way, two guys walk that way, and you got all the hall of fames, and they give, hey, congratulations, welcome to the fraternity, welcome to the brotherhood. Then you get up on stage. And then I was really the only presenter that was actually there. Dean Spanos, who presented. No, his dad. His dad was. Yeah, his dad was there. I think his dad was there. Jared Allen's dad was there. Put the coat on him. Marcus put the code on Eric Allen. And then LT. LaDaine and Thomason put it on. Gates. Antonio Gates. But anyway. And so, you know, they come up, they bring your family out, they break, Let your kid, your wife come up, your kids come up, your mom, X, Y and Z. So Jared Allen family, Jared Allen families, comes up there, and everybody. He's excited. You know, his wife is excited, the girls come running to him. I think one of the. One of his daughters had on cowboy boots, so these cowboys. But anyway, you know, he got his signature. His signature move ocho. You know what he do? He calf rope. He go down on one knee and hit the camera tied up, and he go down on one knee. That thing made his pants. So where I am, I can see. I was like, I think he ripped his pants from the back of his knee all the way up to the top of his belt. Yeah, yeah. So now they got to rush over again. They got to rush over because the hotel is really close by where they were staying. They got to rush over, get a police escort and get him a pair of pants. Cause, you know, hey, that's funny.
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Unknown Host
That's funny. But, hey, there.
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Chad Ochocinco
There's a clip out there. And I know we didn't get a chance to vet it, and we don't know who it belongs to, but there's a clip out there, and you can see him. He grabs the back. He grabs. At first I thought he had tweaked. I said, damn, you tweak your hamstring. You don't do no. You know, but then as he started to move, I was like, nah, bro, you rip. You ripped him. And he really did. But it was great to. Like I said, I know Gates. G. G my guy, like a little brother to me. And to see. Played against Eric Allen. I played against EA in. In. In Philly, and when he was at the Raiders because he was chasing me in the end zone. And who else? Jared Allen. Jared retired. He came to Kansas City the year I retired. And who else?
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Unknown Host
E.A.
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Chad Ochocinco
Gates. That was it.
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Unknown Host
No.
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Chad Ochocinco
Who else? Oh, yeah, my. Obviously played against my brother twice, but. Oh, o. It was. It was unbelievable. They're doing so much. They're. They're building it up now. They're trying to do more for the. The players that are in the hall of Fame. But it's a. It's an unbelievable. It's an unbelievable experience. And.
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Unknown Host
That'S dope. That's live.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. God, I don't know what I did deserve all this, what you've done for my family, but I appreciate it. Oh, Chobo. We got a big story. The biggest story.
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Unknown Host
Hold on, hold on. I need my chapstick. I need my. Hold on, hold on.
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Chad Ochocinco
Go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, man. Oh, there's a lot of verbiage, huh? Yeah, it go. Probably it's gonna take us a couple of minutes to get through all this verbiage. I'm gonna start to read as Ocho and as Ocho's coming back. And this is Micah and Jerry. They've kind of been going back and forth over the weekend. Micah posted a link a lengthy message on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys. Yes, I wanted to be there. I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a Cowboy and wear the star on my helmet. I wanted to play in front of the best fans in sports and make America's team PR mers team once again, the team my pops and I grew up cheering for way up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He is from Harrisburg, Ocho. You know, normally, Harrisburg, normally that Steeler or Eagles country. A lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg. But hey, if, you know, if you're in Pennsylvania and you root for the Eagles, I mean, you got two teams. But if you root for the Eagles, I. I ain't gonna hold that against you. If you root for the Steelers, I'm not gonna hold that against you. But think about it. Here in Steelers Eagle territory and he and his pops, a Cowboys fan, unfortunately, I no longer want to be here. I no longer want to be held hell to a closed door negotiation without my agent present. I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization, our fans, my teammates. I no longer want narratives created and spread to the media about me. I knew I would be leaving money on the table, but again, I was okay with that. Again, radio silence as my extension. In March I met with Mr. Jones to talk about leadership. Somehow the conversation turned into him talking about contract with me. Yes, I engaged back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a form of negotiation. That And I informed Mr. Jones after Major would reach out thinking we'll get things done. I stayed quiet. But again, after repeated shots at myself and all these narrative, I made tough decision. I no longer want to play for the Cowboys. My trade request has been submitted to Stephen Jones personally. OO take off. What's your take on this?
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Unknown Host
I just, I just, I don't understand. It's one thing for owners to think a certain way to, to not really value the people that the players that lay it all on the line for you, but you have a certain way of conducting yourself. You already have a history of, of things that are frowned upon when it comes to us anyway, way, way back. I don't, I don't need to bring that up. But, but to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era time as well, the one owner that came out and said all our players will be standing up, hold the line if you play for my team. And just to see how he conducts business in the way he does business despite being the most profitable franchise of, of all sports. The way he did CD the way he did Ezekiel Elliott, the way he did Dak now the way he's doing Michael Parsons this time, even going a little further cross the line and talking about him in a way like, well, even if we do pay him, he might not be available like he was last year when he like you don't. You don't. You don't say that.
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Chad Ochocinco
Miss six games.
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Unknown Host
Don't say stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his ass for you and your team. Obviously do what his job is and what you pay him to do. Injuries, injuries are a part of a sport. But to hear your, your owner, the one who signed the check, to say it and to say how he really feels publicly to the world, that's the kind of stuff like it gets out, it slips out because somebody recorded it. Somebody stuck a conversation, but he just like proudly he blurted it out. Know how he feels about you. How could you want to line up and put that hat on? How could you want to wear that star outside of just doing it for the money?
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Chad Ochocinco
See, if we talk about Ocho, that's why I like to have somebody. Because he might would have told the agent that, but the agent never would have come back and told me exactly.
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Unknown Host
Why you never want to be a part of why you never want to be a part of negotiations because the real them comes out and the agent never discloses.
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Chad Ochocinco
Right?
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Unknown Host
Because you will be upset.
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Chad Ochocinco
Right?
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Unknown Host
Everybody will be upset on how they feel about you.
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Chad Ochocinco
Because Right.
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Unknown Host
When it comes to business, they are shrewd.
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Chad Ochocinco
Right? This is what they do. This is not what you do. I don't have a problem. I think Bobby Wagner was one of the first ones that says, you know, I no longer have an agent. I'm going to negotiate my own contract. I think Sherm does that. I think we saw Lamar and his mom negotiate their own contract. I don't have a problem with that. If you says, I'm going to be my own representative, I'm going to engage in these talks with whomever, be it Jerry, Stephen, or whomever is doing this contract negotiations, right? I'm cool with that. But if I tell you I have representation, don't try to get isolate me.
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Unknown Host
And back back though you, you know, buddy, buddy, buddy.
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Chad Ochocinco
That's why I have representation, because this is what they do. I'm giving him a percentage of the total contract because I want him to negotiate on my behalf. So that's why Jerry had him going all these place, hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane. Because he's trying to. No, no, no. Now, if Michael says, you know what, Jerry, you right, I can do this on my own. And then that way I don't have to give David his agent. I won't have to give him 2%, 3% or whatever the case may be. Whatever he charges, I just keep that for myself. But that's not what Michael said. Michael says, hey, I have an agent. He's like, I thought this was the start of the negotiation. Hey, hey, David Mugaletta is looking forward to hearing from you. Hey, told him we had a great conversation. He'll take it from here. Jay, thought they had a done deal. No, no, no, no.
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Unknown Host
Hey, but, but this is, this is the part I understand this goes for everybody. Also in the chat, you have certain players. You have special players that come along We. I call them no brainers. I call them players that are no brainers when they come in, when they get drafted, and you watch them play year to year, it's a no brainer when it's time to pay them. Michael Parsons is a no brainer. The Jamar cases are no brainers. The Justin Jeffersons are no brainers. Amar Ross, St. Brown. I'm just using receivers for perspective. Those are no brainers. You know, there's no reason to play a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude, even if they're whatever the books may say, like stuff like that. Well, you know what? We have one player on defense. It's our superstar. The ball. The ball should have been rolling. The season started another three weeks. What do we talk? Why are we still talking about contract with the no brainer?
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, because think about it. What it cost to Bingo. They cost him an extra $6 million a year or next to $24 million over four years because you waited a year. It probably cost you an extra $30 million in guarantees because you waited an extra year. So you have to pay a tax, you have to pay a penalty if you're late. Let me ask you a question. If you late on your rent, you pay a penalty. If you late. If you got something at the court and you're late. If you owe Uncle Sam, there's a penalty for being late. If you negotiate my contract late, there is a penalty for said service. Now, with all that being said, Jerry didn't have to say any of that. But Jerry's just going to show you. See, now, Jerry, he's got to let you know who's in charge. We already know because it is it. It is reported that as the representative has been trying to reach out, Jerry ain't returned no purpose. Absolutely.
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Unknown Host
What point he's trying to prove, I have no idea.
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Chad Ochocinco
I'm gonna pay. I'll pay you when I get ready. Like you do me. Like you do me. Over 59. You basically told me I'm gonna pay you. I ain't say.
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Unknown Host
I ain't say that. I mean, I told you. I'll tell you, baby, I'm not Jerry. I don't. I don't like that comparison. Don't do me like that.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, this is. Could we come up on a year? It's a penalty for being late.
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Unknown Host
I got you. I got one thing about it right. You know what?
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Chad Ochocinco
I did see, you got it, but I need to get it right. You know, hey, you know, I got light right now. Ocho. I can light right now. I can light.
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Unknown Host
That's. That's why I love you. That's what I love. That's what I need. Come on. Come on back home. That's what I need. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's the standard I need.
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Chad Ochocinco
But let's go. We're gonna be all right.
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Unknown Host
But we gonna be all right. I'm telling you. We good.
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Chad Ochocinco
That was. Hey, Ty Tripping said we gonna be all right. And. And Micah. Micah said, will you back me in the corner? Well, hell, I wouldn't be here no more. Hey, if you think. I tell you what. If you upset talking about I might not be here. I missed six games. Trade me. Yeah. See what the market is in trade.
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Unknown Host
Listen, but, hey, he.
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Chad Ochocinco
If.
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Unknown Host
If Jerry was to play, but obviously, you know, he's not gonna do that. Boy, you know, Micah could reset the market by what?
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, he gonna reset.
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Unknown Host
I mean, I'm. I'm.
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Chad Ochocinco
I definitely believe you can get 45 easy. I believe I can give. I believe you can get 45. Whatever. Miles. Get whatever Miles Garrett got in guaranteed money. I think Miles got 123. He can go what. He can go 140.
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Unknown Host
But this is the only part I don't like is whatever team he goes to, it wouldn't be a contender. It'd be a team that has a lot of room, a lot of salary cap room. So they'll be able to pay him.
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Chad Ochocinco
That he was a trade for it.
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Unknown Host
That's not the.
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Chad Ochocinco
The commanders are definitely trade Eagles.
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Unknown Host
That's not fair. That's. That's not fair. If he was to go to the Eagles and they gave up whatever compensation they would want for Michael Parsons, then you might as well hand him the goddamn Lombardi now.
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Chad Ochocinco
Just go.
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Unknown Host
Just go ahead and give it to him.
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Chad Ochocinco
Well, you what Jerry said he worried about it. Missing time. He won't have to worry about it. He don't have to worry about paying him, and he ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing time on his dime. So with that being said. But like, like, like. And at some point in time, it's just like, bro, what are we doing here? I. I get it. I get it. You own the team. You said, hey, I'm in my fifth year. We could have did something after year four. I mean, year three. We could have done something after year four. So now we. Now we're into my. The option. You picked up my 5th year player option. That's where we are right now. After four Pro Bowls. 23 first team all pros, defensive 12.
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Unknown Host
Sacks four years in a row. Come on now.
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Chad Ochocinco
Is that what. So is that what we doing right now, Jerry? Really? Really? That's what we doing?
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Unknown Host
It couldn't, it could. Listen, I, I, I can't say it couldn't be me, because I'm just trying.
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Chad Ochocinco
To say this negotiate, no show. He said we're negotiating now, but it's a shrewd business.
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Unknown Host
It's a shrewd business. And the fact that he, he let his feelings out publicly like that, it says all you need to know. It says, you know, I understand.
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Chad Ochocinco
I think you and I, look, we've played sports and we've been in the. We negotiate. When negotiation gets personal, you got to be careful, Ocho. You got to be careful in any type of negotiation, whatever the case may be, if it starts to get personal, one side will start to build up a resentment towards the other side, Right?
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Unknown Host
But.
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Chad Ochocinco
And then even when he gets the money, they still feel a certain way, and then the other person that gave you the money still feels a certain.
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Unknown Host
Funny thing about it is, regardless for us as the player, we're never in a position of leverage. We're never in a, we're never in a position of power. But what it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Unless you unle. Unless, Unless you, like, you know what you turn out to be, you be like, damn, I'm balling. I'm rook, defensive rook of the year. I'm all pro, and I really just sit on my money, and I'm, I'm willing to say, okay, y' all playing. I see y' all week eight so I can get that. I'll see y' all week eight so I get that. Best of year. Come in, give me another quick eight sacks. Now. What y' all gonna do? Y' all play? Y' all play. I play.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
But see, that's the thing. If you didn't have. See, Jerry knows he had leverage. He has a fifth year player option, which is this year, and he has two franchise tags. So just imagine my, it just imagine if. See, Dak. You see what Dak wrote in his contracts? No franchise tags. Yeah, but he no franchise tax quarterback.
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Unknown Host
He can do that.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, put that in there. But, hey, no, you can't franchise me because that's the leverage that they got, because I got, I got, theoretically, Mike, I got you for this year and two more.
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Unknown Host
Damn, that's a. It's unbelievable. The game, the game that they play. You already know how they feel, right? You already know how they feel about you. You know it's one thing that they say, and I hate to bring it up, because the first thing when you, when you compare the NFL to a certain term they want to use, the first people, first thing people bring up, well, you get paid millions, but it's modern day. You know what? But you get paid millions. You know, but that's, that's the here nor there. But just to hear Jerry say it, just the fact that he uttered the words with confidence. How to care in the world about your star player. And then he took a shot at Dak. What. What are we, what are we doing?
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Chad Ochocinco
Well, look, Dak realized he's a quarterback. Dak is the leader of the team. Yes, but he and Jerry, it's not like, see, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo. That's Dak is always Heisman pose Jerry. Because it was Jerry that wanted to give Tony Romo his job back.
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Unknown Host
That wasn't happening.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, he, he got, he kind of got, you know, Steven and I think Jason Garrett and a few others like Jerry. What are you doing? What do you. What, what are you. Are you serious? Even after all those injuries that, that Tony Romo, he paid him. Ain't mentioned nothing about no injury, ain't missing nothing about that. And at one point in time, Tony Roman was the highest paid player in the NFL. Hey, without blinking.
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Unknown Host
Funny thing about.
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Chad Ochocinco
Jerry also spoke to reporters about Michael Trey requests. Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say.
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Chad Ochocinco
It he said something very interesting. He says Michael's under contract. But what about when players are under contract and they get cut?
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Unknown Host
You know, they don't care, especially it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Don't you see how one side you talk? Oh, we have contracts, we have rules. But the rules are one sided. If I outperform the contract, want a new contract, you say whoa, whoa, you under contract? If I underperform the contract that I signed, you say you gotta go. You see, this is what, this is what players should be. This is why they fight so hard to try to get guaranteed money. This is what you should be. Instead of petty privileges, instead of worried about 2 a days and worry about how many padded practices you have during the course of the year, these are the things that true leadership in the NFL. Pa. This is what you should be fighting for. I'm getting rid of the Trent. No, we're not doing no franchise tag. Look, if I, if I, if, if I'm at a normal job and I'm, I want to. My contract is coming up. They can't say, well we gonna franchise you. And if I work for Google, that means I can't go talk to Apple or I can't go talk to Microsoft. No free agency. How can you be free if you can't? You, you on the tag. They got a tag on you. Free agency means I'm free to negotiate wherever. Hey, and there can't be a cap because whatever the market will bear. I just saw Mark Zuckerberg just play a guy. AI guy. 250 million. Gave 100 million up front. That's what free agency is. All I'm saying is, and I'm. We're gonna give. I just hope the next person at the NFL this Is some. This is some of the things. Health benefits. No Sal. No franchise tag. No franchise tag.
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Unknown Host
Contracts.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, man. Because you can't, Ocho. You can't have it both ways. You can negotiate with me when you want to, but you can also cut me when you want to. So if I outperform the contract, you say you got a contract. I underperformed the contract. You didn't perform up to the standard. And so now you go.
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Unknown Host
You got to be careful. They need somebody, all right? I know you think you view me. You view me as the fun, the love, the entertainment, the jokes and the laughter, but they need somebody shrewd. That could be shrewd right back. When it comes to conducting business, you got to be someone that's fighting for the players. Not minimizing the players and pretending like I'm for you, but really siding on the other end. Man, listen, you know how we talk. The NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage. Baseball players have the leverage. Basketball, the players have the leverage. All sports where contracts are guaranteed, the players have the leverage. I think because so many players on a team, NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage of the players.
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Chad Ochocinco
Right? Yeah. I'm like, guess what? And I don't know when this back injury. Hey. And I ain't putting no Ben Gay on it either. So I don't know when this back. This back issue. Cause it flares up every time I go to put that. That helmet on my back. Starting to hurt, don't you?
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Unknown Host
Every time. He could play. He could play hardball. He could play hardball. But listen, with. With owners, GMs, everyone that sits in a position of power on the NFL team, what they will use against you is they know you're probably fold before I do. Because you love the game.
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Chad Ochocinco
Of the game.
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Unknown Host
You love the game.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yep. They're banking.
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Unknown Host
Banking on it. You gonna fold before they do. So you. Hey, you got. You got to play hardball. How hard do you want to play the game? Because they gonna play with you. They gonna test you.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. You see how agitated he got? I negotiated in March.
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Unknown Host
I answered the question already.
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Chad Ochocinco
No, Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership. He referred you to his agent. You asking me? Yeah, we asking you, but we talked to Michael, too.
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Unknown Host
Listen, can you imagine. Hey, Chat, I don't. I don't mean I don't. I'm not. I'm not into. Really into hypotheticals, but could you imagine if Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman ran the Cowboys? Can you imagine if they were The. The ones in charge of.
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Chad Ochocinco
With the talent that they had. Because they've drafted like the second. They've drafted like the second most since, what, 2014, maybe the second. They might be first with the Chiefs as far as a Pro bowl player. Imagine because how many times they've been the number one seed and got bounced in. In. In the first round or the second round with that talent. Hold on. When they had the best running back in football, Zeke Elliott, the best offensive line in football, and they. When they were Take. When they were putting eight, nine, ten guys into the Pro bowl, when they had. When they had. When they had those teas with. With Romo and. And Whitten and. And to. And they had the Marcus where. And they had all those guys.
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Unknown Host
Boy, was nice. But they were loaded, right? They were loaded. But I think. I'm not sure why Jerry can't. Can't. Can't get it or can't see it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Jerry wants credit.
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Unknown Host
You look at the Patriots, right? Look at all the teams that are. That is successful every season. Every season. The Patriots, when they. Their dynasty and they. Good years. You had Belichick, you had Tom Brady. Forget that part. Where did it start, huh?
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Chad Ochocinco
Mr. Crab. And the only time you heard from Mr. Kraft is when he was taking the trophy out of Roger.
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Unknown Host
Everything starts at the top. Winning starts from the front office, and it trickles all the way down, right? Eagles.
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Chad Ochocinco
But Jerry wants it to be about him. That's why. That's why people are like, oh, Tom Brady should go to the. Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys. Boy, you. Tom Brady say, jerry, I'll play for you for a million dollars. And Jerry would have told him, hell no, because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom. And Jerry don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be bigger than him. So that's not going to happen. I. I don't get why he's doing it like this. But look, they. They. They go. I guess this is their. You know, you have a negotiation in the media and when it should be negotiated behind closed doors. Oh, well, X, Y and Z. We negotiated. We had. We had a deal done. Michael said, well, hey, I want. Hey, I don't even want to play for y' all no more. Let me. Let me go.
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Unknown Host
Hey, let me continue to do this on purpose. Because it does what it keeps. Whose team in the head?
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, in the media we're talking about. Yeah, because ain't nobody. I mean, are we. I mean, the only other team that we talk about is Cleveland and Shadow. We really if you really think about it, Ocho, we ain't really having a discussion about. No, no. You know, we talk here and there about, you know, the bro mask between Aaron Rodgers and Mike Tomlin. I was just reading a little bit about Matthew Stafford, got something going on with his back or something. But for the most part, Ocho, it's the Cowboys. The Micah Jerry, and you got your door. It's been a really a relative quiet training camp cycle. And, you know, Jerry's like, hey, let me. Let me. Let me start some ish. Like, hey, ain't enough. Ain't enough popping off for us right now. Let me start some ish. And. And to see where this thing go.
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Unknown Host
The funny thing about it, what I don't like is, is Micah. I feel bad for Micah. I feel bad for the Cowboys, the fans. I feel bad for the players because I know that this is how your owner thinks of you. If you can talk about your star players like that, you already know what he thinks about you. And Jerry is. Is. Is. Is at a forefront and letting people know. Nobody run this show with me and nobody bigger than my program. Bigger than my program.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, well, you look even. Even the team. J. Just. Just so you know, every team gets a check cut for 432 million. So it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not. It sells itself at this point.
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Unknown Host
It does.
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Chad Ochocinco
Just like all the other team. All the other teams sell themselves. Granted, now when it comes to the local market, they probably don't do what Jerry does because it's Dallas. You know, obviously, they don't sell in Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Houston or Tennessee like they do. Okay, fine. But they not gonna be. They're not gonna be in. In. In the line tomorrow either, but just keep doing it that way. He gonna get tired of Philly. He gonna get tired of Philly and Washington running the divisions. He get tired.
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Unknown Host
He would. It's been 30 years. If he was gonna get tired of it, he would have. He would have already picked up on how everyone else is doing things. He's continued to do it his way. He's set in his ways at this. Of course not gonna change. If I was the owner of any team, I'd be taking notes. Okay, this is what Craft did. This is what Belichick did. Okay, this is what Howie and J and. And Jeff did.
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Chad Ochocinco
This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reid, how they handle business.
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Unknown Host
Let me see the Rooney. The Rooneys had success during this era. All right, we're in a Different era. But let me see if I can steal some of the things that they did and how they conducted business. Let me add this to my and came up with my own game plan, my own formula on how to conduct things. Draft, right, pay early, keep certain PE.
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Chad Ochocinco
Man boy, that's what they do. They pay early with identify a guy. We drafted him, a homegrown guy. Let's get him in year three. You know they got Carloftis. It's going to take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed. But are they.
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Unknown Host
Are they gonna. Are they going to sign McDuffie because you let the legerious need.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. They're not gonna let him go. They're not gonna let him go. Later in the presser, Jerry tried to use DEZ Brad negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with Michael Parsons agent. Let's take a listen what Jerry said about this.
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Chad Ochocinco
It. I know, Jared. Jerry dry snitch, though.
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Unknown Host
What does that have to do with any goddamn thing, huh?
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Chad Ochocinco
He said the reason why I don't like working with agents, because the agent told me that this client was gonna be on time. That's what he told me. He said I'm used to working on the street corner. And if you work on the street corner, if you're late. Yeah. If you're early, you're late. So you best believe my guy. If they're in this organization, which was Rock Nation, they gonna be on time. This is. This was Dad's response. Jerry Jones. I don't think it's smart mentioning my name. I kept quiet about a lot of unfair ish on some G ish. We have a story time if that's what we doing.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, you know. You know. You know, you know, Dad's got. He got his little piece. But you can't win that war. You can't. There's. You can't. You can't win that war. You know, you can't win that war. And what. What I. What I. I wouldn't do.
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Chad Ochocinco
I'm not getting into it. I'm not. Because Jerry, See, Jerry is the type or tell all your business. Not he. Oh, that's okay. DEZ was late for meeting. Okay. Yeah, I get it.
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Unknown Host
Who wasn't? Because I was, too.
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Chad Ochocinco
But Jerry might not bite. Like. Hold on. No, Jerry, you can't say that. Oh, I wasn't supposed to tell that much. You. You know, j. Hey. Hey. You know, the old people, Ocho, when they measured, they don't really have no measuring. They go by feel. They go by. Okay, this and that. Ain't no measuring cup. See, some. Some, you know, coaches. Owners might measure. Okay. I get a little bit. Jared, just listen. Poor. If he can do.
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Unknown Host
If he can do to Micah, who is of value to his franchise right now, what do you think he'll do to dez, who is of no value right now?
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
You know, so. And also, I wouldn't want. There are certain bridges I don't want to burn. Certain bridges I don't want to burn because you never know when you might have to cross them again.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I'm sure that. I'm sure dad was sitting on his couch. No, no, dad. No. Dad was probably playing a Madden because you say Dad's good. Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Dad's nice.
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Chad Ochocinco
What the hell I gotta do with this? I. I'm minding my own business, and you bring. You bring me into this.
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Unknown Host
You know what's funny is, is we. We have people on the outside, you know, looking at it, they're. They're just owners. And. And I. I want people to understand how powerful these individuals are outside of the game of football. I want people to understand. So when I. When I just said there's certain bridges you don't want to burn, even if. Okay, you know what? He says something you don't like. Well, you know what? There's certain things you. You got to let go because you're going to war with something you will never be able to defeat, and it can ruin a lot of things for you outside if. If you get what I'm saying, them folks is very, very, very, very powerful outside of football. I think people don't. I. You know, I think people really don't. Really don't understand the power that these individuals have.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah, they do.
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Unknown Host
I mean. I mean, the cat. Just a regular. Regular football fans, like people in the chat. I don't think they.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
People are.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. I told him. Mr. Bowling calling. Got my money back. Ocho. I can. If I give you the right tools, I can. You can probably win the war, but I got to give you the white weapons to go fight. I don't know currently if. If Micah has the weapon to fight.
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Unknown Host
It's unfair. Nope.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yep. But now I'm like, hello. How long Dan's been. Dad. How long you been retired? Seven years.
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Unknown Host
I'm not sure why he even brought Dad's name up. Makes no sense.
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Chad Ochocinco
He brought. He brought. Because here's the thing. You could say that you didn't have to use dance. You could have said. There have been times that the agent told me that Player X was going to get treatment. Player X was going to do X, Y, and Z when Player X does not do that. And I try to get on the phone with the agent now, all of a sudden, he won't return the calls now, but when we're negotiating money, he calling me. I got all. I got all this for. I got. I got his. I got a landline. And, you know, a whole lot of people ain't got landlines no more. But I got his landline. I got the number to the secretary. I got his personal phone number. I got X, Y, and Z.
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Unknown Host
He.
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Chad Ochocinco
All I'm saying is he didn't have to use dance.
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Unknown Host
A Make no sense.
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Chad Ochocinco
He didn't have to use dance.
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Unknown Host
Make no sense.
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Chad Ochocinco
And I can assure you dance is not. But dance. Hey, just let it.
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Unknown Host
Just let it rock.
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Chad Ochocinco
You good. Hey, you the major money. You straight, you live in Dallas, you got a nice life. Don't mess it up with some. Some petty bull jive. It ain't worth it, bro. You know that. I know it's frustrating that he dragging you into something you ain't got nothing to do with. That's. That's between Jerry, Micah and David Mugletta. They gotta do with dance, brat. Dance, right? I don't know if there is an age. I don't know if Roc Nation has a client on the Cowboys. I don't know. All I do know is that dad's name shouldn't have been brought up. When you're trying to make a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents. But all these million.
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Unknown Host
What we doing.
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Chad Ochocinco
It backed up over. But that. But I thought that was the whole thing. That's the whole thing about having an agent. I mean, when Jerry. When j. I guarantee, when Jerry goes make jug no shade. These hundred million dollar deals. Jerry send his hundred million dollar lawyers in there to negotiate with the other company's 100 million dollar lawyers.
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Unknown Host
How you think him and Muguleta don't get along? You think they got some personal issues or something?
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Chad Ochocinco
No. Muguleta gonna be looking to reset the market.
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Unknown Host
Damn.
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Chad Ochocinco
The same thing Todd France did when he got Dax money. Now, I don't know. I don't know who represents cd, but I know Todd France represents that. So yeah, I'm looking to reset the market because I want to keep climbing higher. And I'm trying to get as much money as I can guarantee. Cubs. I'm trying to. I'm trying to get who got the most guaranteed money. Miles Garrett, 123. Okay. I'm trying to get 140. Cause we're gonna keep pushing it. You'll keep pushing it. Oh, Lamar Jackson said, oh, did y' all see what Josh Allen got? Guaranteed? I'm gonna need that. Cause he got one MVP I got.
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Unknown Host
Matter of fact, you know, you know.
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Chad Ochocinco
Should have had three.
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Unknown Host
You know, Shoot. Lamar going back to the table after this season.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hell, Lamar tried to go back to the table to table before this season.
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Unknown Host
It's gonna happen. I'm sure it hit the ticket at some point.
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Chad Ochocinco
I'm just saying. Hey, I'm just saying. Look, if you're talking about north of what Josh got, I'll let your boy if that ain't what you're looking, if that ain't what you're looking for, what we talking about?
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Unknown Host
Damn.
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Chad Ochocinco
I mean, what's about 28, 29? He's straight. He. Man, I can't believe Jerry.
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Unknown Host
Don'T care, man. Buddy don't care, man. He thugging it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Jared, you do realize, first of all, Jared, you do realize these are supposed to be private conversations. Like when you talk to an agent, you're supposed to be private. This man mentioned Jay Z by name either. I did a deal with Jay Z myself, so he gonna be on time. Say, tell me where I sign at. Right there.
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Unknown Host
Hey, man.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, I had a conversation with Mike in March at the Big 12 championship at the Super Bowl.
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Unknown Host
This is. This is business.
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Chad Ochocinco
Man. Hey, I found out, Jared, you wearing a wire telling all about you telling everybody business.
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Unknown Host
Oh, man.
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Chad Ochocinco
Jared put it out there. Badge. Yeah. Dad's response. I read the quote. Jerry Jones. I don't think it's smart to mention my name. I kept quiet about a lot of unfair ish on some G ish. We can have a story time. We can have story time if that's what we're doing. Roc Nation, Terrence Steele. Oh, okay. Terrence Steele. He's the right tackle on the Cowboys. Roc Nation also responded in 2015 at the club at 21. Club on a napkin. Jerry Jones, Juan Perez, Sean, Jay Z Carter and Stephen Jones negotiated a five year, 70 million dollar deal which included 45 million guaranteed and a 20 million dollar signing bonus for Dez Bryant at the time, which was the second largest contract for a wide receiver in NFL history. The claim that Mr. Carter or Roc Nation representative did not return a call from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but it's also a comical one. Roc Nation sports. You know, sports representative.
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Unknown Host
So not Jerry lying too. Well, shoot, you know who don't we, we all. We all listen. But he ain't handling business the right way. He ain't Helen business the right way.
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Chad Ochocinco
Nope. But guess what? He don't care. He don't care. You don't care. J. Ocho. Terry McLaurin has asked commanders to trade him. McLaurin turns 30 in September. McLaurin in the final year. He's in the final year. Ocho. Final season of a three year deal set to make 15.2 million base salary and is currently the 17th highest paid wide receiver in terms of average annual salary.
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Unknown Host
Get my dog out of there, man. Get my dog out of there, man. Tennessee.
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Chad Ochocinco
Who you trade?
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Unknown Host
Let him go over there to Tennessee. With Cam real quick. So Cam could. Could do exactly what TJ Stroud did. So he. So Cam can do what? Exactly what, what Jaden Daniels did over there with the commandos. You know, giving them weapons. Let. Put them weapons around him. You know, we got Calvin Ridley, we got Terry McLaurin, and. Wait, hold. We got Tyler Lockett over there too, huh? Right, I'm not mistaken. Tyler Locket in the slot. Come on, man. We got. They still got Paula, right? Paula still the running back. Oh, come on, man. Talk about 10. Tennessee. Tennessee. The dark.
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Chad Ochocinco
The.
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Unknown Host
The. The dark horse team to make it the playoffs. Terry Milan over since they want to play games. Goddamn Jaden Daniels doesn't have the rocks in his back pocket to be able to go up to management right now and say, listen, I need my target. I don't think you understand. A huge part of my success was actually having number 17 as a target. Look at some of the plates he made for us last year. Why is it even a no brainer? I don't care about him being 30. I don't care about him being 30. Where else are we going to get the production from? Where? No disrespect to Devo Samuels. Nice. Very nice in what he does. Very nice in what he does. He's a Swiss army knife. He can come out the back in the slot, right? You put him in motion with the ball in his hands. He is phenomenal. One of the best. When you go into a game and you playing the commanders, they're game planning and setting the defensive formation where Terry McLaurin lines up, what are we talking about?
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Chad Ochocinco
If what Adam Schefter is reporting is to be true, he wants way north of 33 million. They're not going there, Ojo. They're not. You know that. I know that.
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Unknown Host
I mean, not, not, not, not a 30.
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Chad Ochocinco
If. What, Adam? Like I said, Adam Schefter tweeted that. Ash, can you find that quote and put it up on the thing to make sure it's the fake, the real Adam Schefter, and we're not getting a catfish. But if what Adam Schrefter reported is that he wants north. Wait, I. I think the word verbiage and the terms he used was way north of 33 million.
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Unknown Host
Listen, I want way north of 33 million. Stay with me. Now, commanders say we not gonna give you north of 33 million. So, okay, let's negotiate. Let's find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and what I've done for this franchise because the number speaks for themselves.
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Chad Ochocinco
Pay for what?
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Unknown Host
You.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, I ain't gonna pay you for what you've done. I already paid you for that. I gotta pay you what. I believe you.
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Unknown Host
He's 30, right? 30.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yes, he can.
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Unknown Host
He can. He can very well because of the quarterback play and the quarterback you have. Yes, he's going to be consistent.
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Chad Ochocinco
It.
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Unknown Host
That's a no brainer. He's not losing a step.
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Chad Ochocinco
Now, I just don't, I just don't know if that number is that number that north.
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Unknown Host
Okay, north of 30. All right, north of 33. Maybe 133 and a half.
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Chad Ochocinco
Because think about it. You, you do realize who's at 30, 34 and 35. CD and Jetta. Now what we do, Wayne north means he's 36, 37.
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Unknown Host
Give me those 32 and a half. Give Terry McLaurin 32 and a half.
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Chad Ochocinco
I was thinking, I was thinking more along the lines of a waddle. Somewhere. Somewhere between, somewhere between 20, 28 and a half and 31. Ocho. I'm just Ocho. I. Oh, I've just got. I gotta be real now.
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Unknown Host
Okay, give me those 32 and a half. Talk to me now. Talk to me. Nice, huh? We talk about Scary Terry. We ain't talking about just knowing anybody now, huh? We talk about the one who wear the C on the chest. We talk about the captain, the one who does everything the right way. He says all the right things.
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Chad Ochocinco
He does.
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Unknown Host
He's the leader of the team. He's the leader of the offense. His teammates gave him the C for a reason. Now it's time to pay him for the exact leader that you're asking to be. And now it's a problem. That's what we doing.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, man. That's what they're doing. That's what it seems like they're doing.
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Unknown Host
Child, please.
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Chad Ochocinco
I. I think, oh, man, I think 30 million is probably what I think the 30th is. The, is the drop dead number because that's where, that's where Tyreek is. Ash, pull up the top 10. Pull up the other receivers. Adam Schefter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more than DK got, which was 33 million per year. So considerably more is going to be 35, 36, 37.
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Unknown Host
Damn. Listen, sometimes you gotta, you got, you gotta shoot high. You gotta shoot high and fast away, you know, Find a happy medium. I like it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Shoot for the stars. If you're laying on the moon, you're still pretty damn Hot.
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Unknown Host
You'll be happy. I don't like the fact that the players are missing training, Cam. I don't like it because you got. You get. You need that time to be getting pushed and shoved and. And. And getting acclimated to the speed of the game. You know? Catch, catching.
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Chad Ochocinco
Okay. Oo here we are right here. Jamar Chase is at 40. 40.25, Jetta 35, CD 34, DK 33. Garrett Wilson, 32. AJ 32. Almond Ross St. Brown, 30. Brandon Auk, 30, Tyreek Hill, 30, T. Higgins, 28750.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, 32 and a half. I'mma say that again. 32 and a half. Anything. Anything below that is disrespectful. Put the numbers up. Pull the. Pull the numbers up.
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Chad Ochocinco
See, I they you that you. You got them on your screen. You see them? Can you see them?
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Unknown Host
No, the numbers. No, no.
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Chad Ochocinco
But.
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Unknown Host
But listen, listen, listen. Anything below that and disrespectful. Pull the numbers up. I see. I need to be. I need to be somebody. I need to be assistant to some of these agents when it's time for these receivers to get paid. Because not only am I pulling numbers up, not only am I gonna put the numbers in the market where everybody getting paid, I'm also walking there with the goddamn film. I'm not sure what y' all been watching.
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Chad Ochocinco
So. 32 and a half will put him at Garrett Wilson Field. Highest page.
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Unknown Host
Thank you.
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Chad Ochocinco
Best receipt.
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Unknown Host
See, okay. It's not. It's not outrageous. It's not too low. It's right in the middle. And it's not disrespectful. I wear the seal, my shoes.
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Chad Ochocinco
He won't considerably more than 33.
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Unknown Host
Boom. He was shooting for the stars. If I fall low, I want to fall to the 32 and a half.
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Chad Ochocinco
I think you gonna fall to 30.
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Unknown Host
No, see, I need to be in the rooms. Huh? I need to be in the room when it's time for receivers to negotiate. I think the owners and whoever does the numbers in the books, they forgetting what you did coming in. I'm coming there with the film. I'm coming up with the film. Forget what you talk about. Let me show you why my client deserves what we asking for. Let me show you why. Play by play. I'm gonna have all this catches and touchdown broken down. 32 and a half. Let me show you why. 32 and a half down the distance, different scenarios. Remember this, right?
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, man.
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Unknown Host
Stop playing, man. What? I'm the right? Hey, listen, I'm the. I'm the right one to have when it comes to negotiation and getting somebody.
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Chad Ochocinco
I agree, I, I agree with Jojo. I don't think 32 and a half is outrageous, but I think, I think he's gonna fall somewhere. I think he's gonna be, you know, and I said, because remember waddle and remember I said, I went 28 and a half. That 28 and a half. So I think he's gonna follow that 28 and a half to 32. That's, that's gonna be the range. And I don't know if he, he gonna be too happy with that, I'm telling you. Because what happens is, is that you don't want to be, you don't want to come behind a guy. Ocho, when the guy got 32 and a half and then you come behind him, you get 31 or you get 30 because now you stunted the growth of the wide receiver. Now I get it. You look at Gary Wilson, Gary Wilson say, Hey, 32. 5. Considering where I was, I'm cool with that. And right now I can't match the production of cd, Jetta and Chase. So I can't go up there war and, and say, hey, yeah, I need. Y' all need to break me off like that. Cause Jeddah is on some historic. Yeah, that's, that's Chase is on some historic.
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Unknown Host
There's levels to everything.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yes. So that's what. And so when you look at it like that. But I get what Terry McLaurin says. Hold on. The bro look. Hey, y' all need to break me off. 32 and a half.
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Unknown Host
That's it. That's it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Okay, 32 and a half is it. Ocho say 32 and a half.
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Unknown Host
Don't pay him 32 and a half. I'm gonna go off on management. I don't know where, but they gonna hear me. They gonna, they gonna hear me.
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Chad Ochocinco
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