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Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me, I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharpe, my partner and co host Liberty City's own Bingo Ring of Fame honoree Pro Bowler All Pro as Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson and we have a very special guest tonight. He's a three time Pro Bowler, he's an All Pro and he once made the Pro bowl as a returner and a wide receiver. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen the head coach of Delaware State, Mr. DeShawn Jackson. D. Jack, thanks for joining us, bro. I was gonna say, we'll get to you in just a second. Yes, sir. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And, guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank each and every one of you for supporting us. Good, bad or indifferent, highs and lows. You've been riding with Ocho and I from the very, very beginning. And we can't thank you enough. Everything that you've seen us been able to accomplish. All the awards behind us, the NAACP Image Awards, the BET Awards, all the awards. It's all because of you, is because of your eyes, your ears, and your word of mouth. Ocho and I and the Nightcap family cannot thank you enough. Please make sure you check out Shea by La Portier. We have it in stock now. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. But we are coming to a city or state near you. But in the meantime, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Is the best tasting BSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it. I promise you, you will not be disappointed. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited, and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. D. Jack, let's get right into it, bro. Head coach, Delaware State, bro. If somebody said, okay, I'm gonna give you a list of players, former NFL players that were. That were all decade players, that were Pro bowl players, all pro players. I will give you a list of 10 guys. Name the guy that you think was most likely to become a head coach on any level. Dj, I can honestly say I wouldn't have put you at the top of the list. Dj, what made you decide to become a head coach?
Chad Ochocinco
I was gonna say, damn, you wouldn't have put me up there, man. Damn, dog.
Shannon Sharpe
Not at the top of the list?
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, no, I mean. I mean, honestly, for me, you know, the opportunity presented itself, obviously. You know, I retired in 2022. I played in Baltimore. And after that year was over, I retired. And I walked away feeling like I left everything out there in between them white lines. So for me, I sat around for a whole year, didn't contemplate on nothing. I was like, you know, What I deserve, after all the fruits of these labors, all the hard work I put into it, I deserve to sit around for a whole year and not do nothing. I Woke up at 2 o' clock if I wanted to, took the kids to school, I quarried, I hung out, I did just regular things that I wanted to do after all these hard years of working out. So after that year, my mom's like, you know, I got to get my butt off this couch and go get. Go get some income, you know, me and Lashawn McCoy, we had our podcast trying to figure out if I was going to do the media side of it, you know. And for me, it was just like I really didn't know which way to go. And I started coaching. I went out. My older brother was a high school football coach, and I went out there and I coached with a man and I fell in love with coaching man. So, okay, Delaware State thing just kind of honestly fell in my lap after my first year of coaching last year. At the end of the year, it kind of just fell on my lap. Big bro.
Tom Yamas
Hey, has it. Has it been. Has it been a difference? I know, being able to coach at a high school level with your brother. Has it been a difference in transition? Has it been difficult, you know, coaching at the. At the collegiate level now? Or have you to adjust to it somewhat?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, no, I mean, great question. I feel like for sure, it's definitely been an adjustment. It's a lot of things. It's different. It's a lot of things that I was blind. I was blinded. Like, I didn't know. I was in the dark, you know, as far as me, honestly, me, I never, like, I played all these years, you know, and I played obviously in college. I was never one of them dudes. It was like, when I get done, I'm gonna go coach. So. So, so unk. You kind of are, right? But at the end of the day, like now I'm in this position. I remember when I was in high, I mean, college, in the pros, I said I would never coach, honestly. Cause I knew how much time my college coaches and my NFL coaches put into it. So for me, I think the biggest thing is the off the field stuff, the X's and O's to me is easy. Cause, you know, I was, I was a. A student at a game and I always, when it came down to football, I'm very football smart. I just think from like the compliance, the admissions, like getting kids into school, you know, in the NFL, you ain't got to worry about school. We going out there and playing. We ain't got to worry about if the Dudes got a 3.0 or higher. They going study hours. Like, are they doing what they supposed to do? Because, you know, so I was far removed from that side of it. So now being in this position, it's like, I gotta be a father to 90 cats.
Shannon Sharpe
DJ when you look at it, you know, talking to Coach prime and talking to a lot of people that were great at. At a particular craft, be it a basketball coach, be a basketball player, football player, baseball. For me, I think the hardest thing to do is because you put work into it. But it seemed like football came easy to you. You would bless God, bless you with God, get with speed out of the yin yang. You were very, very elusive. And the thing, when I talked to Coach prime, he's like, because I don't look at them kids and I expect them to be me. What has been the hardest thing as far as, like, because you were a great player, you went to Pro bowl, you an all Pro, an all decade player. What's been the hardest thing to like, to coach a player and not say, well, son, you should have picked that up. That's easy. How do you separate that to, like, make sure you understand that they're not DeShawn Jackson. They are who they are and you are who you are. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Honestly, the. The hard, the hardest challenge has been, you know, over my career, the accolades, the stats, the Pro Bowls, the all Pro, everything I accomplished, for me, it did come easy to me. So running fast, catching the football when the ball's in my hand, doing the things that, you know, the characteristics that I did, it came easy to me. So it's unfortunate to say, after I look back at my career, if I would have put in an extra pushup, if I didn't cut a rep short, if I would have put more time into my craft, just imagine how much more I would have like, or how better I would have been at my craft. So for me, being in this position now, the things I may not have done or the things I may have took, the shortcut out, I'm not allowing my players to miss that because I know the success I had. And I'm like, man, if I would have did the extra and not just thought it came so easy to me, like, if I would have put the work in, just imagine where I would have been sitting at. So for me, I think the toughest thing has been for me is like, damn, I played at this high Level, I cut corners. I didn't always give my all because it came easy. But for me, now I'm like, look, don't go do what I did. And what else is crazy is I see my players doing things I once did, and I'm trying to coach them. Like, hey, don't do that. But I'm here to go. Me, 10, 20 years ago, I was the one did that stuff they doing.
Tom Yamas
Yeah. Hey, the funny thing about it, when I think about it, you know, being a competitor. Yeah, Jack, you a competitor. And you not too far removed from the game of football. You just retired in 2022. You're still able to put cleats on, lace him up and get out there and play. How are you able to control yourself? Because I ain't played in minutes. And put me in a structured environment like that, my crazy ass gonna have on a pair of cleats trying to demonstrate and teach and actually be in the way. As opposed to being a. Being a teacher and being a coach like you are. Do you ever get antsy and want to cleats on sometimes and show players what it should look like?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, for sure. 100%. Yeah, 100%. So I, like, honestly, man, I'm 38 years old. Some of these guys obviously anywhere from 19 to 24, 25 years old. So in this role right now, man, like, I still train, I still work out, I still run. Like, I'm. I'm telling my players, like, there ain't too many head coaches that's gonna strap it up with you around 150s with you, like, we on the track. Like, you know, because me, the reason why I was able to play so. Cause I always utilize the track in the off season. So my players, we just was out in the field today. We had two, three hundreds, we had one 200, and we had three 150s. And I'm out there random with him. I may not be in the front.
Tom Yamas
With him, but.
Chad Ochocinco
So for me, that's been the challenge, man. Because when I go out there, we do the cone drills, we went through it, and I gotta show these dudes. Cause some of these dudes taking five, six steps to get out, they breaks. And I'm like, dog, you never gonna.
Tom Yamas
Five, six, bruh.
Chad Ochocinco
They take it, bro. Some of these dudes is. You know what I'm saying?
Shannon Sharpe
It's craz.
Chad Ochocinco
The other thing, when I got here, some of these dudes. And no disrespect to the coaches before, but I'm like, bro, how did some of y' all give scholarships to a Division 1 school, bro. Who, who gave y' all scholarships? So like, for me, it's just like I'm trying to, I'm trying to put my eye on it. And I know for us to win right now, this is not a rebuilding process. We gotta win right now. And I know what it takes. So some of these guys, they just don't fit the criteria. So sometimes I do gotta get out there, Ocho, and put them feet on and let em go. I can still rent a bench route, I can still run a curl, I can still take the top off.
Tom Yamas
We still do this big dog.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I like it, I like it.
Shannon Sharpe
Dj look, you love Philly. I don't me personally and, and I'm, I'm considerably older than you. I'm almost 20 years older than you. But I followed your career and I know you love Philly. Philly loved you. Because Philly love guys that, that love what they do and you love what you did. You get in the crowd, up, you like, hey, get it up, get it up. Hey, I'm about to bring this thing back. You get a touchdown, you run back within to the end zone. I don't think you ever wanted to leave Philly. You had a very public falling out with Chip Kelly. What was that like, knowing that. You know what, I never wanted to leave Philly, but I'm going to have to leave Philly, man.
Chad Ochocinco
I mean, man, I go back, man, in 2013, man, for me that was one of the toughest things I've had to face in my life. When you talk about adversity, when you talk about trials and tribulations, I mean, everything Philly meant to me, obviously my family is from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so I grew up with Pittsburgh Steelers fan. So when I got a chance to get drafted by the Eagles, you know, I had some Philly, I had some family that actually lived in Philadelphia because it's down the street from Pittsburgh.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Chad Ochocinco
So for me, man, it was a bittersweet thing. And like now looking back, Harold Carmichael is the all time Philadelphia leader in yards. All time. And he had like 6,800. I'm at 6,300 as far as in Philadelphia years. And I played five years and I came back and played two years, so. Or no, I think it was six and then eight. So a total of eight years. But in my whole career, 15 years, I got 11,000 plus yards. So if I would have stayed there my whole career, I'm shattering Harold Carmichael record. And no disrespect because I Think Harold Carmichael was one of the best receivers that played for the Eagles. But I Look back, DeVonta Smith, you got A.J. brown, you got all these dudes that, you know, their accolades, they coming up them charts, and it's like, man, if I would have stayed there, man, them charts would have been hard for anybody to chatter. Yeah. To be real, you know, them dudes are ballers. You know what I'm saying? Devonte, I think he's, you know, him and AJ together. I mean, obviously, you know, when me and Macklin was there, Jeremy Macklin was there, we did some great things. I know to was a guy that comes up, but I mean, honestly, man, what I felt like, what I've done in Philadelphia, all the big plays, me and Michael, Vicky, I can even go back to Donovan, Nick Foles, I mean, I played with so many great quarterbacks. But I think that, that, that Philly breakup, man, for us as a team, what Chip Kelly did, man, like, he dismantled, I think a team that obviously could have been a Super bowl team now, we had to. We would have still had to go out there and, you know, earn that and do that. But 2017, I think had a lot of credibility to the. To the old times of the Philadelphia. Like, if you go ask Brandon Graham, Kelsey Lane Johnson, like, all them dudes would tell you, like, you know, me, Michael Vick, Shady McCoy, Jerry Macklin, Brett Selleck, like, all them core guys or guys that when we left, they just kind of took the pedigree and kind of just took it off. Just how, when I was drafted, you had McNabb, you had Westbrook, you had Brian Dawkins, you know, like, that's the core Philadelphia. We turned into the court Trotter, you know, we. We turned into that core Philadelphia. So 2017, a lot of that we carried over, you know, they took that on and won a Super Bowl.
Shannon Sharpe
What was. What was the. What was the environment like when. When Kelly was there? Because it seemed like they had a lot of issues. You had the issue with the receiver at the. The concert. I don't know. Were you there then?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah, I was there. When Roddy Cooper said the comment.
Shannon Sharpe
Riley Cooper said what he said had Mike to get up in front of them and. And accept his like, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't. Don't put that pressure on me. Hey, I gotta see some things before I start accepting apologies. Hell, I ain't even heard him say that. He apologies. He apologized. Yeah. And you talk about Mike. Vic know Mike ain't said nothing, right. What was the type of environment that he fostered when he got there. Dj.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, man. At. At that period of time, just. I. I'll go back before the Riley Cooper, you know, that situation. But like, when, When Chip Kelly first came in, for those who don't know, he literally came in and you got Pro Bowlers. When I tell you I was a Pro Bowler, Vint was a Pro Bowler, McCoy was a pro Bowler. Jeremy Mackin was, you know, a thousand yard receiver. I mean, we had got Brett Selleck. I mean, we had guys not even talking on the defensive side. We had guys that were ballers. When Chip Kelly came in there, he literally had a meeting and he said, there's no starters. So you. So you telling me you coming into a team that got them type of names that I just said, and you saying, here's. No one's a starter. Like, we literally was not starting. Like, everybody just was going, and we didn't have no first stream, no second. Like, it was crazy.
Tom Yamas
So hold on, Jack, what is he trying to prove? He's. He's coming into a team with a bunch of Pro Bowlers that have been playing for a long time and telling y' all, you gotta have to earn your position.
Chad Ochocinco
You feel me, bro? But, but, but he lost his bread, like, day one, but he lost everybody.
Shannon Sharpe
Power trip.
Chad Ochocinco
It was a power trip. And like, he came from Oregon, where he has success. But I'm gonna be real. Like, everything he was doing, we was like guinea pigs. We was like lab rats. Like, he would like, oh, put a heart monitor on at nighttime. I want to know how many hours you slept. When you come to work, I want you to pee in a cup and I want to see how hydrated you are. I'm gonna put trackers on you. I need to know how many. Like, it was just crazy. And like, I ain't gonna lie, I was one. Me and McCoy, we was there. I mean, Vic was. He had to play the role. Cause, you know, he was coming off the situation. But me and Shady McCoy, we was like, hey, bro, we ain't doing that. It's some shit we just not gonna do. And so. So, so to go back to that situation with Rodney Cooper, I mean, I can remember that meeting like he was yesterday. He literally, he said the comments. And one thing about Rodney Cooper, like, Rodney Cooper, he wasn't racist. You know what I'm saying? I just think he got into a situation intoxicated. Somebody said something to him, and he just slurred that out. But Rodney Cooper was actually a good dude, man. You Know what I'm saying? I had a great relationship with him. And when it happened, I just knew. I'm like, we're not like that. But it did happen. It did come out. And however it came out, he may have felt the way he felt. So for us, before we accepted any apologies, we, like, we gotta really see that this shit is sincere. So I think, you know, he tried to force that on us. He tried. They tried to patch it up. They tried to do a team meeting and cover it up. But it was like, when we got in trouble, you ain't patching nothing up for us. So why you. Why you gonna go patch it up for him? So it just. The team didn't. It didn't set up right for the team.
Tom Yamas
Hey, when you think about coaching football in general as a coach, is this something that you view as something you want to do long term? Do you. You do you envision and do envision doing it 20 plus years and maybe transitioning from college to the NFL?
Chad Ochocinco
He said 20 plus. I mean, so.
Shannon Sharpe
So, hey, hey, DJ, let me get through the first year and I get back at you.
Tom Yamas
You feel me?
Chad Ochocinco
Man, I. I ain't gonna lie, but I didn't got a few grades, bro. I've been already stressed out where they got me at the university, man. You know, it's hbcu, man. We got a lot of, you know, resources. We got a lot of obstacles.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Underfunded, accomplished, right here. So long term, man, I'm not gonna lie to you, I. I definitely love the seat I'm in right now, man. To be able to have the success I had on the field and now to be able to be a head coach where I control everything from top to bottom, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't even no power trip type of dude. But just to have this control and to be able to say, like, that's a resemblance of me, I mean, it's a great feeling, man. Every day I wake up, I'm rejuvenated, I'm excited to go in there. Cause I'm gonna be real with you. Uncontrolled. Like, I didn't think it was gonna be this. I didn't think I was gonna have this much fun doing it, bro. Cause I thought about the hours and when I get. When I get in there, I get in there about 7, 8 in the morning, and by the time I look up, it's like five, six o' clock, and then the day's already gone. You look up, you're like, where did the time go? So it's really like when you enjoying something and you and you passionate about it, it don't seem like work, bro. And like, honestly, like the meetings, I'm a head coach, so, like, I got an officer coordinator. They. They run the meetings. I got a defensive coordinator, they run the meeting. So I just get to dip and dabble and I don't gotta sit in the full meeting. I don't gotta do through installs. I don't gotta go like, I just gotta be a leader of men. And at the end of the day, I'm gonna make sure my coaches. That's why I surrounded myself and that's why I respect crime so much, because I feel like in this day I'm not taking away from nothing that coach prime does as a head coach, but he's more. To me, he's more of a leader of men. And the intelligence is smart, but he put people around him for him to have success. And I just followed the blueprint that big bro put down.
Shannon Sharpe
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Tom Yamas
So I'm thinking about I. I know it's going to happen. I'm telling you, I know it's going to happen. So you're going to have success at Delaware State. You're going to have success. It just, it just. Just in us, everything we touch. Turn the gold 100 everything. We always have success, it falls behind us. So when you do get that call from Howie or Jeff and they'd be like, man, listen, we want you to come on down here to Philly and be the receivers coach. Yeah. And then you go in and receive the coach in Philly. The hopefully maybe One day something that doesn't. Doesn't happen often is here you have a former player that actually gets in a position to be a head coach. Can you imagine you. I'd be crazy being the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, man. Who you telling? I'm manifesting it for you.
Chad Ochocinco
Sure. I mean, my boy AP man, Antonio Pierce, man, is somebody that. I got a great relationship. Obviously. I've seen his, his, you know, his, his path and what he did, you know, obviously starting at Long beach, probably where I went with my alma mater. Obviously one of the best high schools in all of. All of America. We put the most, you know, players in the NFL from a high school jackrabbits, you feel me? Them jack rabbits, you already know about them. You feel what I'm saying? So, I mean, I saw ap, I seen him go to Arizona, obviously he did his thing at Arizona State and then, you know, obviously he was in it for the Raiders and he got the head coaching job and I still feel like he got up out of their way sooner than he should have, but, you know, we ain't gonna talk about that. But true. I mean, you know, hey, if it presents itself, man, and that happens, man, God, you know, all. All glory, all power to God. But you know, for me, I'm gonna take it one step at a time. Like, like you said, I'm for sure gonna have a success here because I just, like you say, everything we touch is gold. You know what I'm saying? And you know already, man, we've been doing some crazy things. Like, ain't never been this much attention on Delaware State. The minute I was signed as a head coach. I mean, we got eyes turned and we got players that never would ever consider us. They come and they lock it in, locking in with us. We outbeat Maryland Temple, some big time FBS schools, and we got some good talent coming here. So all I, all I ask from little Bread and Big Breads, man, just come support me. Come to a game, you know, like, you know. Cause how, how everybody was on the sideline with Deion in Colorado. Yeah, I need down in Delaware. Got you.
Shannon Sharpe
We'll try, definitely try to get down there. Let me ask you this, dj. You've had some great plays. You had the punt return, punt return in the Meadowlands as time expired. You ran it back. You had the, the Monday night throw from big. That probably the ball look like it travels 70 yards in the air.
Chad Ochocinco
Sure.
Shannon Sharpe
When you span back of your career. Give me a couple of plays. What plays that still stand out when you be thinking about it, you riding in your car or you sitting in your office, you like, Damn. Yeah, that was a hell of a play. What plays pop up in D. Jack's mind, man?
Chad Ochocinco
I got three specific plays. Obviously. People always ask me, like, what's my favorite play of all time? And that's hard. Cause I got so many great plays. But I got three plays, and I ain't gonna put no particular order, but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. One was. I can't remember what the day was, but it was Dallas. We was playing Dallas Cowboys. Mike Vick threw me like an 8 yard hitch. I caught it.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, you went all the way down.
Chad Ochocinco
Fell in the end zone backwards, 91 yards. Terrence Norman was chasing me down. I fell in on him down there, wanted to do the Marshall Lynch. When I hold my. You know, you hold your stick. You know what I'm saying? So that was one play. Orlando Skandrick down there, blew out all his hamstring trying to come get me. And I'm just jogging. I'm on a hurt ankle. I hurt my ankle earlier in that game. I'm just. I ain't gonna say I'm jogging, but I'm running. I see him coming like, this dude ain't gonna catch my high. Step on him. Fall back in the end zone. The second one, the Monday night first play of the game when Lauren Landry was talking all that smack before the game, tried to put his hand on my shoulder. I'm like, hey, homie, don't touch me. And for those of y' all who don't know, he said some crazy things to me and it ticked me off. He said, boy, I'm gonna kill you on this. I said, damn, you taking a deaf person. You trying to kill me, bro? I would say the second was the. The pass from Vic. He threw about 70 yards. And the last but not least is the pump return, you know, versus. Oh, yes, When I dropped it, I tell everybody I dropped it on purpose. Set it up so everybody could get out their lanes. And then when I looked up, I hit that thing and it was nothing but success. After that, shout out my boy Jason the Bot for that defeated block.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you do realize, D. Jack, you started something. It was you on that Monday night game that dropped that ball at the damn one yard line against the Cowboys. You started that bull job, D.J. you know that, right?
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, man, you know what I said about that, man? You know, I was a bonehead. I was young, man. I was a rookie. It Was crazy. I did the same thing when I. In the high school All American game, when I tried.
Shannon Sharpe
You did? It's no.
Chad Ochocinco
So you know who really started? Reggie Bush started. It's his fault because they was playing ucla. USC was playing UCLA in the Rose Bowl. And this sucker jumped from the five yard line and cartwheeled into the end zone. So when I got a chance in the army game, I said, I'm gonna jump from the six. Why jump from the six?
Tom Yamas
I jumped from the six.
Chad Ochocinco
When I got up in the air, I said, oh, shh. I dropped that ball earlier. I said, I can't do that one.
Tom Yamas
Yeah. Hey, it's just so funny. It's so funny too. They miss it. Hey, Jack, when we was playing. When we played Notre Dame in the Fiesta bowl.
Chad Ochocinco
Unc.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Tom Yamas
And I think I went. The DB tried to jump the out route. It was out route and the db, he jumped a little too early. So I'm going down the sideline against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. Hell, I dropped the goddamn ball. It damn. It looked like back at the 2, but the red. Listen, the refs were so far behind, they couldn't even see it.
Chad Ochocinco
Damn. So you got away with one, you're telling me?
Tom Yamas
Yeah, I got away with one.
Chad Ochocinco
Luck Rick would have been the first ball.
Tom Yamas
That's way back in 2000.
Shannon Sharpe
You would have been the first. You know what? I'm looking at this schedule, you guys. You play Mike in Norfolk State, October 30th.
Tom Yamas
We play at the Link. Oh.
Chad Ochocinco
I got that. I got that done. DJ Got. Coach Jack got that done.
Tom Yamas
That's gonna be a good one.
Shannon Sharpe
That's what's up, coach.
Chad Ochocinco
First ever, the HBCU is playing in the NFL Stadium. Regular season. Now bowl game, we play in Atlanta Stadium. But first time ever in a regular season game is being played in the NFL Stadium.
Shannon Sharpe
Wow. That's awesome, man. That is. That is amazing, man. D. Jack, man, that's unbelievable, man. Congratulations on the job, man. I know you're going to do great. You gotta. You surrounded yourself with great coaches. Yes. You're gonna inspire these young men to do great things, not only in football, but in life. You're gonna, you know, you, you, you, you rate you. You're tasked with a huge responsibility, Jack, for sure. Because these guys look at you and they want to get to where you got. And even if they don't get there, if they become successful husbands, if they become successful businessmen, they become successful brothers. That's all we can ask for. That's all we can ask for yes, sir. Great man. Great young man.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, sir, Man, I think the biggest thing I'm preaching to these dudes because, you know, we all know it's only a small field that's going to get selected to very small. So I tell my players all the time, man, hey, walk across that stage, they can't never take that paper away from you. You know what I'm saying? You know my life in general, being a husband, being a brother, being a son, being a father, man, like everything I'm teaching these young men is. Is principles that they could take for the rest of their life and help groom them into being great young, I mean, great men and in the world in general.
Shannon Sharpe
You want, is it dj? I appreciate it, man. I'm gonna try to catch a game. I'm gonna try to catch y' all. I might try to catch that link game. I don't know about that. Delaware. I don't. I don't know if I'm gonna make it all the way to Delaware, but I might be able to. I might be able to keep it. Oh, all right, dj, we want to keep it for one more topic. Ocho, this is yours. We gotta let Ocho have his moment. OO said he want his moment. Cam fired some shots at OO in his 62nd job. Let's take a listen to what Cam had to say.
Tom Yamas
Press pause.
Chad Ochocinco
Press pause.
Shannon Sharpe
Who gives Chad Ochocinko the right to give Madden rankings?
Tom Yamas
He's been doing it for years now. I know, but how did he get chosen?
Shannon Sharpe
He's not good at Madden. Oh.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, here we go.
Tom Yamas
So is this a 1v1?
Shannon Sharpe
Has anybody seen Chad Ochocinko play Madden?
Chad Ochocinco
I know he's an avid gamer.
Tom Yamas
I know he plays soccer. I don't give a man, listen, man, he plays FIFA. Man.
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't never seen Chad Ochocinko play.
Tom Yamas
So is this all on 1v1?
Shannon Sharpe
Like, I don't even wanna play it. Who's playing? Like, bro, I'm big browser, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to Mario.
Tom Yamas
See that part of folks head like.
Shannon Sharpe
Bro, you just can't start and just play me. No, I'm looking down at y' all suckers.
Tom Yamas
Look at that.
Shannon Sharpe
You don't just get the right to.
Tom Yamas
Play the great one. Are you serious?
Shannon Sharpe
Do you know what these thumbs will do?
Chad Ochocinco
Golden Thumb Productions.
Shannon Sharpe
Golden Thumb Productions. Yeah. Are you serious? I've never seen Chad play.
Tom Yamas
He not in the field.
Chad Ochocinco
For real.
Shannon Sharpe
He's not. He's just an analytical guy.
Chad Ochocinco
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
So I feel highly Disrespected that EA hasn't reached out to me to. To really give ratings.
Tom Yamas
Cause you in the field for real.
Shannon Sharpe
For real.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
For real. And we tough and trust and believe, man, we could put whatever on it.
Tom Yamas
Ocho, where you at, bro? Pick up the phone, baby.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, the phone yours, man.
Tom Yamas
That ain't nothing but nonsense, man. Meet somebody in the field. So basically based on his logic, I can't give ratings because I'm not good at Madden. So let's say I'm great at football in general when I played it. You hear me?
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all hear y' all missing one.
Tom Yamas
Of the best all time. That's what that far gives me the credibility to give ratings. Now I don't know nothing about Cam Newton and no field when it come no stick work. I've been gaming since 1984. I've been gaming since 84. And this stick work is the kind of stick work that Cam don't do. I ain't know he was a Gamma. I didn't even know he played Madden. I didn't know. So obviously whoever he think he is on the game, I don't know about him. I never seen him at a competition.
Shannon Sharpe
And you know about everybody.
Tom Yamas
Yeah, everybody know I play the game. Everybody know I do that. See Cam, this, this is just the thing with Cam Newton. You see, Cam Newton plays Madden recreational. He plays games in general for recreational purposes. Like I game is a way of life to pay my fucking bills. See that's, that's different.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, big difference.
Tom Yamas
I'm on some other shit. But if he want to play and we could put whatever on it. He talking spicy. We could put whatever you talking about on it.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, that's what's up.
Tom Yamas
Yeah, and make it light on yourself.
Shannon Sharpe
Cam. You looking for these type of problems.
Tom Yamas
Man, can I want no smoke, man. Hey, Cam can't beat me in nothing. Matter of fact, if I was the backup of Carolina, I would have took the job.
Shannon Sharpe
You didn't know Cam was a gamer. You didn't know Cam was good at Madden or other video games. I don't know about all these other.
Tom Yamas
Cam ain't good at. You know who good at Madden. You know who I know about? I know about DEZ Bryant. I know is good at Madden. I know that you know his, his, his prowess on the game. And listen, I've heard about it. So. I ain't heard nothing about Cam. I ain't heard nothing about Cam. I know DEZ Bryant know how to play, you know.
Shannon Sharpe
Cause I remember cam was challenging LeBron. Cause I got. I think LeBron has like a top thousand or top 500, top something ranking. So I guess you get ranked. I don't know. Listen, now you talking about somebody on the ish about Rick Madden. But I guess you get. You get ranked. You get. I mean, you play long enough and you get good. You get ranked, don't you? Is that how it works?
Tom Yamas
Hey, listen, I. I don't know, man. The man, listen, the man, he. He talking spicy, right? He could have picked up the phone to call me. He got my number. He could have picked up. Matter of fact, I'm from the blocking now. You like, you coming out. You coming at a true gamer. You know, this is. I really do. You do it for fun. I do it as a way of life. We, we, we different. We ain't even the same Lane, when we talk about gaming, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Dj, you game?
Chad Ochocinco
I messed around a little bit, but I. I heard Cam Newton like that, though. I ain't gonna lie to you. You know who I really don't like that, though? Durham James like that, too.
Tom Yamas
Yeah, okay, that's another one.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Tom Yamas
Durham. Is that boy on them sticks, man? I ain't heard nothing about no Cam being like that on those sticks, man.
Chad Ochocinco
Just probably, man. He want the rain. He want to wreck them dudes, man. He just really coming at you, man. God dang.
Tom Yamas
Listen, listen, listen, Cam, if you. You want to come over there with ea. With me, man, holler at your boy, man. I got it, I got it. I got you, Cam. Come on over there, baby.
Shannon Sharpe
Come on, man. Y' all be. Hey, y' all be taking that stuff serious, for real, though, huh?
Tom Yamas
Hey, that's serious. Hey, hey, Jack, Jack. All my relationships ended behind gaming, huh, man?
Chad Ochocinco
For real.
Shannon Sharpe
I can see that.
Tom Yamas
Hey, I'm serious. I'm telling you.
Shannon Sharpe
Half the time you on here, Ocho, can you get off the game and get ready to get suited up?
Tom Yamas
Exactly. Listen, one thing about the chat, you gotta understand, Jack. You gotta understand, listen. Gaming is forever. Real talk, temporary.
Chad Ochocinco
I heard you say that.
Tom Yamas
Hey, listen. Hey, your game ain't gonna never wake up one morning and be like, you know what, you tripping. No, I don't want to do this no more. The game will never do that.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, for real.
Tom Yamas
Always be the same every time. And it always bring out this happy side of you. Always bring out this happy side of you, no matter what.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I don't know. I mean, maybe.
Tom Yamas
I hope you watching, boy. You got the right one, boy. Stop playing with me, man. Stop Playing with my top man.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what? I think I'm gonna start playing. I'm gonna get good to beat the brakes off you, Ocho. I get my 5,900 back like that, then forget I told you.
Tom Yamas
I'm gonna give you money, man. I'm gonna give you money.
Shannon Sharpe
No, you're not. No, you're not. Yeah, hey, I'm. Hey, I'm. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna start gaming. I'm gonna get good and I'm gonna stream live. When I beat you like 42 to 7.
Tom Yamas
42 to 7. And what? Madden, YouTube. You can't. Come on now. You can't. It's too soon.
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't never played before, but I'm gonna get good. I'm gonna get good.
Tom Yamas
You don't know how to work technology, so you definitely can't.
Shannon Sharpe
Can I do voice command? Can I do voice commands?
Tom Yamas
Nah, nah, I know ain't no voice command. We. We not that. We not that far advanced yet.
Shannon Sharpe
I'mma go. I'm gonna go talk to Zuckerberg. I said, look here, man, you got this AI. This meta. I want to be able to do my gaming. I want to be able to talk to it.
Chad Ochocinco
Damn.
Tom Yamas
Nah, I would.
Shannon Sharpe
I would. I would get good at it, Ocho. No, I'm not, because I don't have. I don't have that kind of time. Yeah, you don't have that kind of time. Hey, let me ask you. Let me. Let me ask you about another thing, dj. The Steelers run ran the ball the fourth most last year while Aaron Rodgers attempted the second most passes. And Arthur Smith spoke about marrying the run of heavy offense to the past happy quarterback. We didn't bring Aaron here to sign DK for all that money to go run the wishbone. DJ now that they have. Look, the Steelers have always had a defense that could get after the quarterback. They kind of slacked off a little bit of that when they had Ben and A.B. and and. And Leon. They were more of a pass happy offense and the defense kind of struggled seemingly. They gotten back, they got TJ now they got High Smith and they got Minka and they got Porter Jr on one side. So they got a really nice Camp Hayward, they got him. So they got a really, a really nice defense. Now they got Aaron Rodgers, they signed dk. Solid offensive line. I don't think it's great, but it's okay. Friarmouth, they got Calvin Austin iii. They got some decent receivers. What is your expectation of the Steelers this year? What What. What's the ceiling for the Steelers? Can they win the division? Can they make a deep run in the playoffs? Can they get to the Super Bowl?
Chad Ochocinco
I mean, obviously Aaron Rodgers, in my eyes, man, he's. He's. I'll put him as a top 10, 15 quarterback all time in my. In my book. So I think. I think he's a guy obviously coming off the injury last year, what was that the year before, whenever the heck the injury was the year before. Right. And then obviously last year really didn't have the success we thought he would have. I think it's going to be tough. Like you said, the offensive line is really not the strength of that team. You know what I'm saying? And obviously Aaron Rodgers, he's older now. What is he, 39, 40? He's 40 years old to be 41.
Shannon Sharpe
And start of the season. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
You know what I'm saying? So I think obviously he can't be touched. He's not the young a rod. He can't move like he used to move. So I just don't see why would you go get rid of what's my Fields. Huh? The receiver.
Shannon Sharpe
Justin Fields?
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, the receiver.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you talking about.
Chad Ochocinco
George Pickens? Yeah. I don't understand. Why would you get rid of George Pickens if you had in hopes that you was going to sign to Aaron Rodgers? So for me, I know you got DK Metcalf over there. I just don't. Honestly, I'm gonna be real. So. I don't see them winning this division right now. Not with my boy L. Jack, not with my twin L. Jack over there in Baltimore. And I ain't gonna lie, man. I think. I think my boy Shador gonna get in that startup job over there. I think. I think Cleveland gonna be a little something this year, too. So in that division, you got Cincinnati, got Burrow, you got, you know, my boy Ocho. Team over there, you got Jamar Chase, you got T. Higgins. I mean, there's some cop in that division over there, man. I don't think it's going to be that sweet for them dudes to win that. I. I can't write that off and say they gonna win it this year. I can't.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, what you thinking? They ran the ball the fourth most last year. Obviously, Rogers wants to throw the football. He's always had success throwing the football. Obviously, like DJ Said, not the success that probably he thought he would have, or everybody had the expectations because he was supposed to be the missing ingredient for the jets to take that Next step. Obviously it didn't pan out. They moved on after two years. What is your expectations for the Steelers?
Tom Yamas
Well, listen, my. My expectations are for them to compete. They can compete not only the division, but whatever their schedule may look like, because they do have Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is not the Aaron Rodgers of old, but Aaron Rodgers is better than what you had on your. On your team before he signed right before minicamp. He gives them a chance to compete weekend and week out. As far as winning division, that's. That's not likely. The division winners will probably be either the Bengals or the Ravens. I'm. I'm going to be realistic here based on the record between. Between us. I'm a piggyback on what lan said it, too. At some point, Joe Flacco will probably lose that starting job to Shador, and his tenure in Cleveland will also start. So outside of that, as many people that may hate Aaron Rodgers for the way he acts and for all the stuff he does off the field, some of the things he says on camera and some of the things he says on tv, he does give you a chance, and he does give Steeler fans and that organization hope to compete week in and week out.
Shannon Sharpe
All right, dj, thanks for joining us. Head coach of the Delaware State, D Jack. D. Jack, tell people how they can find you on social media. If you got a YouTube page, you got IG, you got Twitter, Facebook, let our fans know how they can find you.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Man.
Chad Ochocinco
I appreciate it, though. Obviously, 101 is my Instagram. Sean Jackson 10 at Twitter. Delaware State underscore football as well, too. We're gonna plug Delaware State in here, man. Everybody need to go out too, man. Support that cause, man. August, I mean, October 30th, man, at the link come through, we had Lincoln Financial, got my brother Michael Vick. We gonna be first time. Obviously you've seen us a lot. Catch him throwing. Catching touchdowns. Now we going head to head versus sideline to sideline in our old stomach grounds, man. So come out October 30th. Market calendars, man. We going at that thing, man. Let's get it.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep. Sean Jackson, D Jack. I appreciate that. Best of luck, man. Stop back by when you have some time, bro.
Chad Ochocinco
All right, man. Y' all keep doing your thing, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Blessings. Appreciate it.
Tom Yamas
All right.
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Ocho Shamar Stewart is no longer at the mandatory minicamp amid ongoing holdout with the Bengals over language they want to put into his rookie contract. Per Adam Schefter, Stewart left mandatory minicap due to contract dispute Stewart, the number 17th overall draft pick, is one of four remaining unsigned first round selections from the 2020 draft. His situation appears to be the most contentious from that group. Pro Football Talks Mike Florio reported on May 24 that the issue between the ST, the Stewart and the Bengals involve a phrase in which the contract would allow a default in the current year to trigger a default in all remaining years.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Tom Yamas
Hey, hey, Uncas, it's got.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean just think about o just say you get a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I get a contract, I got a five year deal. I got a four year deal. The fifth year option, they can pick it up. So let's just say at my rookie year I do something. Yeah, conduct veteran, I get suspended. NFL, whatever. The NFL suspended me. Not only can they take the money back that first year, but year two, year three, year four, they get that guaranteed money too. Oh hell no.
Tom Yamas
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Listen as a player and chat. Y' all stay with me. Real quick. I'm not sure. Again, I asked this when we talked about it the other night. I asked when it comes to Stewart, what does his background look like? You know, what has he done in the past? What did the Bengals find out? Like we're going to take a chance on this young, on this young kid because he's a tremendous talent. But there must have been some red flags that we don't know about. It has to be because there's no reason that the Bengals are trying to set a precedent. All of a sudden out the blue with this individual, as good as he was in college, wanted you to Drink. And you wanted to draft him this hot. I'm not sure what it is. And if it's something that other teams. Now, if it's something that other teams did, okay, I understand, I understand that. But the fact of the matter is with that fine language, don't allow it to default money from years down the road. Allow it to be a year to year thing, like if you mess up this year as a rookie, well, all that guaranteed money your rookie year, boom, young bull, you're not touching that. But all the money to come, that's guaranteed moving forward on later years, that's a no. No. As much as I love my Bengals, I mean, I just don't see, and I don't understand what the issue is or why they're doing it.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, the NFL should institute a fine. If a team gets fined for doing something, all the money, the money that you would get in subsequent years would go away. So that $425 million that you would get in 2026 if you did, if you had something that go wrong in 25, you don't get 26, 27 or 28 money, then we go for that, right?
Tom Yamas
Exactly.
Shannon Sharpe
Why do you expect players? Why do you think, because you're in an advantageous situation that you want to say, well, look, take it or leave it, hey, take your ass back to the draft, young man.
Tom Yamas
I was getting ready to ask you that. Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
I was just absolutely.
Tom Yamas
Now can he opt out and go back into the draft again and be drafted by somebody else?
Shannon Sharpe
That'll be something. That, that's something that the players association would probably get the lawyers involved with the NFL. Because look, you go back and look, normally what happens, Ocho, quarterbacks are different. But normally you look at what did the player get that was drafted in the same slot in 2024, and normally he gets a 10% raise. So let's just say for the sake of argument, ocho, he got 20 million.
Tom Yamas
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
10%, that's 22 million. Okay, now you work on, you work on incentives and things like that. How much of the money is guaranteed? Because now you look at the top five top six guys, their entire contracts are guaranteed.
Tom Yamas
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
The entire contracts is guaranteed. You get 25, $30 million signing bonus at the time, and then you know the rest of it. So if it's a $43 million contract, you get 30 million guaranteed. So you know, you over the next four years, three, four years, you can get 13 million, but you got your money. So they prorate it over the length of the contract, the signing bonus, they spread it out. The Bengals doing this. And Ocho, I get it. This is a mom and pop shop. Their dad, Paul Brown, left it to the sun. Mike Brown. But ocho, everybody got 300 to $325 million. That's before you sold anything. Any tickets, that's any concession, any parking pass, local tv, local radio, local sponsorship. So you go the NFL cutting checks for between 300 and $350 million before you do anything locally?
Tom Yamas
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
And you gonna try to hard time me talking about you gonna take some money back if I do something in year one and you gonna take money from year two? Three, four, y' all better get the BLEEP out of here.
Tom Yamas
Yeah, listen, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate, Uncle. It's frustrating. It's frustrating for me, obviously, being a huge, huge Bengal advocate, noise riding for my team, the ups, the downs, and us already having issues on the defensive end and knowing that's what we need to focus all our attention on. And having a player that you draft is so high and having these issues and having him not be a part of, you know, mandatory minicamp and him actually leaving and there's an opportunity and maybe a chance that he can opt out and go back into it. Just. It's a distraction.
Shannon Sharpe
It'd be interesting to see. Ocho, how have they done this with other contracts?
Tom Yamas
Well, listen, I told you. I told you it was a hold up. You know, I mean, a little birdie told me. A birdie close enough that they had some wording and verbiage in chasing T. Higgins contract, that they held it up just a tad bit.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you got.
Tom Yamas
Oh, hell no. Not. No, not us.
Shannon Sharpe
So.
Chad Ochocinco
So this was.
Tom Yamas
This was lingering a little bit, but because they are who they are, they were able to get that, you know, what about it there? So now we talk about a rookie who is yet to prove himself. You know, we got two that already been proven, so, man, we not signing nothing until that's up out of there. So now in this case, they. They ride with it. They try.
Shannon Sharpe
They. They trying to draw land in the sand. And so what that means if they start. Because here's the thing. I'm not gonna let you start the precedent with me because what you do, if you put it now. So in 20, 25, they put this in his contract. Guess what? All the rookies that signed with the Bengals moving forward is going to have in their contract. That language. You're not going to start that precedent with me. Yeah, it's not happening.
Tom Yamas
No, it's unfortunate, man. It's very frustrating. Very frustrating, though.
Chad Ochocinco
Very frustrating.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know if you noticed this today, the new patches for the LA Chargers practice jerseys. We missed something. Oh. If a rookie do not sign their contract after being drafted, they can re enter the draft the following year. They can also choose to enter free agency and potentially sign with another team if the draft team's right, them aren't traded. A player who doesn't sign can either choose to sit out a year or reenter the draft later so he got leverage.
Tom Yamas
What would you do?
Shannon Sharpe
Become a free agent?
Tom Yamas
What would you do?
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't saying that I need money. I gotta play. I can't go back to college. I ain't got no eligibility because if I could, I'd go back to college and get an nil deal. But I'm going. I'm going to be a free agent because I'm sure Cincinnati was not the only team that had him high on their draft board right now. Is it something like. Is it something like. What do they call it? I think they used to do where you used to draft the guy in the summer. What did they call that draft? Supplemental draft.
Tom Yamas
Supplemental draft.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't think they have the supplemental draft anymore. But if you took somebody. Bobby Humphrey got drafted in the supplemental draft in 1989. They took Steve Atwater first, but they had a supplemental draft. Bobby Humphrey went number one in the supplemental draft, which means the following year, the Broncos didn't have a first round draft pick. So that's how the supplemental draft worked. If you took somebody, whatever round you took them in that following year, you lost that round of a draft pick. So with Amore, I'm sure others had him as a top. As a. As a. As a first round had a first round grade on it.
Tom Yamas
Right? Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, what y' all got for your boy? I'm not saying I'm not sitting out, Ocho, because like I said, I. I want money. Yeah, I need that. I need that.
Tom Yamas
Listen, if you forget the. I mean, the money part is obviously. But my childhood dream has finally come true.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Tom Yamas
I would work all the obstacles. I overcame everything. I finally get drafted. Boom. Mama, I made it. Thank you. Now I get here. Now it's another issue, that's another problem. Something that I can't avoid. It's the business side of things. It's the ugly side of things. I hate it. I know Young Bull wants you to get out there and play ankles. I understand if he sits out. I understand if he. That he opts out to go back in the draft. I get it. I understand that he's frustrated. I'm sure his, his parents are frustrated, the agent probably frustrated, and so are the fans. So listen, Joe spoke his piece. Joe spoke his piece. But one thing about it, you know, if, if you know the Bangles, if you know management, if you know ownership, you're not going to bully them. You're not going to bully them and you're not going to make them do nothing they don't want to do. You're not going to set that precedent. As if you joke so.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I know, but that's kind of why the Spingles have been in that situation. They wouldn't pay Boomer, they wouldn't pay a lot of their good players and their good players left. That's kind of why they've been in the situation. Now you got an ideal situation. The last thing you want, Ojo, going into a season where you have so much hope and promise is distraction. Joe told you the Tre Hendrickson is a distraction because you're not asking how we're getting better. You're asking what should they do? I got to keep asking this. Now I got to ask answer another question about my first round draft pick and them not getting paid and them trying to set a precedent that no other team is setting. Yeah, distraction. But the Bengals don't. See, but, but here, that's the thing though, Ocho, because see, there's really no benefit other than your, your ownership wanting pride. That's the only benefit of winning. Because guess what, Ocho, whether you get, whether you win, the Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Eagles got the same amount of money. Who's the worst? Who picked first? Oh, Tennessee. They got the same revenue. Everybody got a check for 350. So tell me the incentive. See, we normally have an incentive because prize money, Ocho, you win the event, you get 3 million, you get second, you get 2 million, so forth and so on. But just imagine, would that be any incentive to win other than your pride? If, okay, first prize, get 5 million. Second prize, get 5 million. Third pride, get 5 million. What incentive is that, Ocho? So the Bengals really don't have any incentive to do anything because guess what? The NFL is going to cut them a check for 350 million just like they're going to cut the super bowl champion or the last place team. And that's before they sell anything or they have any event in the stadium. And so that's, that's, that, that's, that's why. I mean, it takes A special type. I mean, some ownership. Clearly, Howie Roseman wants to win even though the 49ers haven't won. Hell, they go damn near all in every year. Stan Kroenke, the owner of the Rams, he wants to win. He damn near shove chips in the military all year. If you notice, it's only the Bengals that do things like this to haggle and try to penny pinch. Bro, you getting a check for 350? Yeah. 350 million on Joe.
Tom Yamas
Damn. Hey, listen. Well, it's frustrating, boy.
Shannon Sharpe
It's very frustrating because like you said, the last thing that you want to have happen on Joe is to have it. Why are we still talking about a rookie about not signed? And here we are. We damn near we damn it in July. We going. We going. Hey, we going to training camp in a month.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we're going to training camp in a month, and you and I. And I got to deal with this bull drive. Ocho, new patches for the LA Chargers practice jersey show both personal and team achievement on East Jersey. This is the first form of professional. This is the first form of professional football team. Ocho, you like this? So, okay, got captain. I can't read this.
Tom Yamas
Is that water.
Shannon Sharpe
Them water bottles okay? Yeah, so it got like. It got a captain. So you got the captains. So you got a captain and then you got a star for one year, two year, three, so forth and so on. And you got Pro bowl, you got All Pro. If you got the franchise record most passing yards in the season, okay, Ocho, you had the record for the most receiving yards, you would have a patch now. I mean, that would be. You know what? It's kind of like, I guess, like nascar. You got, you know, NASCAR got all the damn patches on the five suit.
Tom Yamas
I mean, this. This is strictly for practice, right? Strictly for practice.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tom Yamas
I like it.
Shannon Sharpe
You could put a patch. You could put your patch on there if you have a sponsor. But they. NFL ain't finna let you put all those patches on there. No.
Tom Yamas
Not without them monetizing and making some money off of it. That ain't happening. But listen, I think it's dope.
Shannon Sharpe
It is.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I like it. I do.
Tom Yamas
It's no different than college, you know, Ohio, Ohio State, Buckeyes, I think fsu, you know, they get the. They get the Tomahawks, and I think. Yeah, Remember.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you remember how you get the DKL day? You get a tackle, you got a big hit, score, touchdown, and you know, hey, you know, hey, I. I need to bring my helmet because I had on Fable.
Chad Ochocinco
You.
Tom Yamas
You was filled up.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, yeah. Filled up. Yeah. We had scub and crossbones.
Chad Ochocinco
Right, right, right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
We have to call it Chrome Ball. No joke.
Tom Yamas
Okay. Okay. I mean, I think it's dope. It's cool. I'm cool. I mean, listen, it's. It's. I don't think you really need to incentivize NFL players and reminding them, you know, their accolades and what they've done, what they've done to date. But if they feel having it on the jersey and patches is some type of motivating. Motivating tactic, I. I guess it's cool.
Shannon Sharpe
Think about what. What you would do when coach said, hey, we win this game, we ain't got to come in till Wednesday. What?
Tom Yamas
I don't care if you at. Let me get money to Monday, Monday and Tuesday off. Man, stop.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, them joker's gone. Hey, hey, man. Especially if you home.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Guys try to catch a fight out Sunday night to go somewhere.
Tom Yamas
Out of there, boy. Out of there.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Oh, hey. All right. Hey, have a good practice. We off tomorrow?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm like, really, dude? Really? Y' all gonna do this? So y' all. So in other words, y' all been bull jiving the other practices, but it's. It's. It's little things like that. Hey, hey. We're gonna have a way. We'll have a cookout often. Because we always did things offense against the defense. It was always competition whether we bowl, we shot, we. You know, we divided up teams and shot, and it was always off. We always compete against each other.
Tom Yamas
Right, right. Right.
Shannon Sharpe
And so I. I get it. But I like. I do like that, Ojo. I like that. I like it.
Tom Yamas
That's dope. It's dope. It's dope. Something new.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it's kind of like the. The All Star, you know, All Star in basketball. They started Putting your accomplishment 4 time League MVP, Finals MVP, how many all Star teams you made, how many all NBA teams you made. So I like it. You think other teams gonna adopt this, Ocho? I think they will.
Tom Yamas
I mean, I think they will. It all depends. You think about it. When you look at the landscape of the NFL, uncle, you know, it's only maybe three or four. Three or four players that's going to have patches on their stuff now because.
Shannon Sharpe
They did it with the Walter Payton. Remember, Ocho, if you won the Walter Payton award, they put that. They put that decal.
Tom Yamas
Yes, I do. I do remember that. I do Remember that? Absolutely. But I think other teams may adopt it. You know, some. Some teams might not really care for it or want to go to that extent of adding patches of accolades. And what people have done.
Shannon Sharpe
They do that. Hold on. They do that at the Super Bowl. Now, you know how the guys come out there in the tracksuits on Tuesday.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And for the thing and you see the MVPs and study super Bowl. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So I. I like. I like this. I like this. I can get behind it.
Tom Yamas
Might be something new.
Chad Ochocinco
Might be something.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, Joe. Left tackle Trent Williams says his goal is to play into his 40s. He turns 37 in July is one of them things that. Where I'm going to do everything possible to play as long as I can and to put a good product on the foot, on foot of football out there, and then when it's going my way, then I'll know. But I could play until I'm 41. Who knows? But that's a goal of mine. I definitely not going to retire with some left in the tank. So in other words, he said, hey, when the wheels fall off, hey, call roadside assistant to drag my ass off the field. But until then, I'm playing. That's it.
Tom Yamas
And one thing about it, someone like Trent, someone of Trent Williams caliber, as good as he is, can play well into his 40. As long as he stay healthy.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Tom Yamas
Long be able to stay healthy.
Shannon Sharpe
That. That's.
Tom Yamas
That's all it goes. That's all it comes down to. And he has to. Obviously, the older you get, the more technically sound you got to be. The older you get, the more technically sound you got to be. Because them young bulls, you know them, they're coming.
Shannon Sharpe
They're screaming off that edge.
Tom Yamas
Well, they are coming. As great as he is, they got to make sure that kick still right now, you're better anchor down. So if anybody can.
Shannon Sharpe
The thing is, now, Ocho guys do a better job of taking care of themselves, regardless of position. And even though they might not have the most aesthetic bodies, guys take better care of themselves. Right? Guys take better care of themselves. They do. They just do. Because I got into the league, guys were still smoking cigarettes. I ain't gonna call no name, but guys were still smoking cigarettes. Hey, we get a break. Guys go into their car, they standing outside their car, they smoking. Like I tell you the funny thing I see, I saw Greg Townsend at the Raiders. I mean, we walking in the first game of the season. We played on the road at the old Coliseum, man, I get. I'm walking out walking to the locker room. By the time I get there, he's sitting outside on his helmet, smoking. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. O joke Did I know guys? Yeah. We have very prominent guys on our team. That smoke. Put that on Sunday.
Tom Yamas
Yeah. Hey, that's. You know that classic picture of Lynn Dawson?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, that's exactly how town was. Sitting on his helmet, just like smoking a cigarette. But you remember that picture there? I think that picture's in black and white. Yeah, I saw it with my own color eyes.
Tom Yamas
Okay, that's funny, man. That's funny.
Shannon Sharpe
It was wild back then, like some of the stuff. Oh, yeah, it was wild back then.
Tom Yamas
Well, I didn't heard the story, boy. You ain't got to tell me. Listen. I didn't listen. I done said that Twin Peaks with lt and I done got some good stories. I done got some real good.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, baby.
Tom Yamas
I don't mean to be disrespectful, right? But when you played football, when you used to fly airlines, domestic, was that during the time they could smoke cigarettes on the plane when you fly? Yeah, man, that's crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You used to be able to smoke at restaurants. You had a smoking section and a non smoking section. It's like, would you like to sit and smoke at a non. And a lot of people like, well, what's first available? But if you at a restaurant, what is about going. You might be back to back in a smoking section? Dude.
Tom Yamas
Man, I want. You know what? History always repeats itself, right?
Shannon Sharpe
No, I don't think that was coming back, Ocho.
Tom Yamas
You don't think so?
Shannon Sharpe
Hell, no. Not smoking indoors, no. Now if you go to Casino.
Tom Yamas
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
For the club, you know, they anything they smoking cigars, cigarettes, weed, all in the club. That's what really stopped me from going to the club, Ocho. Why, man, all that smoke, man, you gotta hang your shirt up in the shower and stuff.
Tom Yamas
Okay, I understand what you're saying. I didn't know that would deter you from going to the club.
Shannon Sharpe
Now, I don't like all that smoke. What deterred me from going to the club, I don't like being. Oh, yo, I can't stay up. I ain't no late. I'm an early riser, so I need to be in.
Tom Yamas
Don't forget it. Now, your boy, he is an early riser too, now.
Shannon Sharpe
Understand?
Tom Yamas
Understand. But you gotta say I take a nap during the day if I know I'm gonna want to do something.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Tom Yamas
When I went to Area 29, yeah, I had to do the show, man. I slept for five hours during the day.
Shannon Sharpe
I took me a nap. Yes. I can't.
Tom Yamas
Hey, when I go to tootsies, when I go to tootsies, you know, I got to get my seafood rice and lobster tail. I take a nap during the day and the fact that I only go places where I can smoke my cigar. If I can't smoke a cigar, I'm not coming. I'm not coming. They don't even invite me.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but I'm not, like I said, but I've really never, like. I'm not a. I'm not really a go out type of person. I like to go out for it. And I ain't really trying to. I ain't trying to close the club down.
Tom Yamas
Right, right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
Last call for alcohol. Last call. Last. I ain't trying to be there.
Tom Yamas
Right. I got.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. I ain't trying to. Hey, hey. You still sitting on the stool and the man trying to move the stool out the way and try to clean up and you still there broke. Take your ass off.
Tom Yamas
Hey, hey. The lights come on and I heard some funny stories like women look different. Women look different. You know, you get a couple of drinks so you know, some people, that's really not attractive, they look a little different. You get a few drinks in you, they hit them lights on and you get to see what you look like and you know, but what happens?
Shannon Sharpe
What happens when you ain't got no alcohol in your system?
Tom Yamas
Hey, wait some. Hey, my homeboy say when them lights come on, that's the fourth quarter. You better get what you can. You better get what you can.
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, I done lost this one. I take my chances next time.
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Title: Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Special Guest DeShawn Jackson Discuss Delaware State
Release Date: June 13, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ocho" Ochocinco
Special Guest: DeShawn Jackson, Head Coach of Delaware State
Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco kick off the episode by welcoming DeShawn Jackson, a former NFL standout and current head coach of Delaware State. Shannon introduces DeShawn as a three-time Pro Bowler and All-Pro who has transitioned into coaching, bringing his extensive football experience to the collegiate level.
The discussion begins with Shannon posing a hypothetical scenario about naming potential head coaches from a list of NFL players. DeShawn humbly remarks, “I wouldn't have put you at the top of the list” ([04:40]). He elaborates on his journey post-retirement in 2022, taking a year off to enjoy family life before feeling compelled by his mother to seek new opportunities. DeShawn shares, “I started coaching. I went out... and I fell in love with coaching” ([05:53]).
Shannon inquires about the differences DeShawn has faced moving from high school to collegiate coaching. DeShawn acknowledges the significant adjustments, especially regarding off-field responsibilities like compliance and academic performance of players. He notes, “I gotta be a father to 90 cats” ([07:16]), highlighting the broader responsibilities beyond just the X's and O's of football.
Shannon probes into how DeShawn separates his personal playing legacy from his coaching. DeShawn reflects on his NFL career, admitting that certain aspects came easy to him and sometimes led to shortcuts in his training. He emphasizes enforcing discipline with his players to ensure they don’t repeat his past mistakes: “Don't go do what I did” ([08:06]).
Tom Yamas asks DeShawn how he manages his competitive nature in a coaching role. DeShawn responds enthusiastically, “I still train, I still work out, I still run” ([10:03]). He describes his active involvement in training sessions, demonstrating drills alongside his players to instill discipline and high performance standards.
The conversation shifts to Delaware State’s achievements under DeShawn’s leadership. DeShawn shares pride in outcompeting larger FBS schools like Maryland and Temple, attracting talent that previously might not have considered Delaware State. He states, “We outbeat Maryland Temple, some big-time FBS schools” ([25:29]). DeShawn expresses his commitment to maintaining and building upon this momentum, aiming for sustained success and increased visibility for the program.
Shannon asks DeShawn about his long-term plans in coaching. DeShawn expresses his passion for the role, stating, “I definitely love the seat I'm in right now” ([18:20]). He envisions a long-term career in coaching, potentially transitioning to higher levels, including the NFL, while emphasizing his dedication to developing young men both on and off the field.
DeShawn reminisces about standout moments from his NFL career, such as impressive punt returns and unforgettable plays. He shares specific instances, like a 91-yard punt return against the Dallas Cowboys ([26:21]) and his infamous dropped ball at the one-yard line during a Monday night game ([27:29]). These anecdotes serve to illustrate his growth and the lessons he now imparts to his players about perseverance and accountability.
The discussion shifts to contractual disputes within the NFL, specifically regarding rookie contracts and the Bengals' practices. Shannon and DeShawn debate the fairness of clauses that allow teams to reclaim guaranteed money based on future events. They express frustration over the potential long-term financial implications for players and the lack of leverage for rookies in such negotiations. Shannon emphasizes, “If you put it now... it's not happening” ([52:37]).
Shannon introduces the topic of new practice jersey patches that recognize personal and team achievements. DeShawn and the hosts discuss the potential impact of such innovations on player motivation and team culture. They compare it to collegiate traditions and express optimism about its adoption across the NFL, highlighting its role in celebrating player accomplishments.
As the episode nears its end, the hosts and DeShawn reflect on the importance of player health and longevity in the sport. They discuss the dedication required to maintain peak performance and the evolving nature of football training and personal care. DeShawn reiterates his commitment to guiding his players towards success both on the field and in their personal lives.
This episode of Club Shay Shay offers an in-depth look into DeShawn Jackson’s transition from a celebrated NFL player to a dedicated college football coach. Through candid discussions, DeShawn shares his experiences, challenges, and aspirations, providing valuable insights into the complexities of coaching at the collegiate level and the broader issues within professional football contracts. His commitment to excellence and player development underscores the episode’s central themes of growth, responsibility, and leadership.
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