Nightcap Hour 1: Unc PISSED OFF at Broncos WIN over Raiders + Unc in TEAERS reacting to Cowboys’ Marshawn Kneeland’s Passing + Ocho HEARTBROKEN over Antonio Brown

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Nightcap Hour 1: Unc PISSED OFF at Broncos WIN over Raiders + Unc IN TEARS reacting to Cowboys’ Marshawn Kneeland’s Passing + Ocho HEARTBROKEN over Antonio Brown

Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-Hosts: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco), Colin Cowherd

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode of Nightcap dives deep into a range of subjects, from the Denver Broncos’ ugly win over the Las Vegas Raiders and the state of their football, to two deeply personal stories shaking the NFL community: the tragic death of Cowboys’ defensive end Marshawn Kneeland and Antonio Brown’s recent arrest. Shannon Sharpe, alongside Chad Ochocinco Johnson, offers honest football analysis, raw personal reflections, and support for athletes facing mental health crises.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Broncos’ Ugly Win over the Raiders

Timestamps: 05:45 – 29:30

• “In a game that set offensive football back 50, 60, 70 years…” (05:45)
  Shannon Sharpe opens with blunt criticism of the Broncos/Raiders game, describing it as a “snooze fest.” The Broncos won 10–7, extending their winning streak to seven games, but neither host is impressed.

• Offensive Struggles & Expectation Gap:

  • Both teams' offenses were anemic. Shannon recounts games during his playing days where, despite winning, there was a funereal mood in the locker room:

    “You never accept anything in a win that you wouldn’t in a loss.” (06:09 – Shannon Sharpe)

  • Ocho bluntly calls the Raiders, “a bad team… no way around it. I’m not going to sugarcoat it.” (07:17)

• Defensive Mastery:

  • Sharpe and Ocho dissect Denver’s defense, praising the front seven, special teams, and the game plan to mitigate Bo Nix’s flaws.
  • Shannon:

    “They were phenomenal and that's why they were in the game… The Broncos defense, they are so goddamn good.” (07:40)

  • Ochocinco:

    “You block a point and you go backwards. You get a pick and you go backwards. It was just bad offensive football.” (06:31)

• Critique of Specific Players and Coaching Choices:

  • The hosts question Sean Payton’s conservative playcalling and lament missed opportunities by both teams.
  • Example: On Riley Moss, a rare white cornerback:

    “We got to stop this. I understand — hey, you don’t normally see white guys [at corner]. But boy, if that defense didn’t have Allen and Benito and Cooper and those guys that can get after the quarterback…” (10:39 – Ocho)

• On Winning Ugly and Division Implications:

  • The hosts argue that Denver can’t keep winning with this formula, especially against real playoff teams:

    “You play any team… you think you’re a playoff team… you’re not winning playing that type of offensive football.” (06:09 – Shannon Sharpe)

  • They run through division standings and implications:

    “The Broncos moved to eight and two… they're 0–1 in the division.” (20:04 – Ocho)

2. Raw Reflections: Injury, Pain, and the Locker Room

Timestamps: 20:44 – 33:29

• The conversation shifts from analysis into lived experiences with pain and injury.
• Vivid stories are shared about playing through pain, “frogs” (deep contusions), and the toughness required to survive both physically and mentally in the NFL.
  • Ocho:

    “It broke my thigh pad. Put a hole right—boy I cried, bro. I'm a rookie… you see how I'm runnin’, right? When y’all saw me on film, did I ever run like this on tape?” (22:33)

3. Tragedy: The Death of Cowboys’ Marshawn Kneeland

Timestamps: 33:29 – 52:29

• Shannon and Ocho report on the tragic suicide of 24-year-old Cowboys DE Marshawn Kneeland, reacting in real time with visible emotion.
• Mental Health as a Central Theme:
  • Both men reflect on the unseen struggles of athletes, highlighting the dissonance between public perception of NFL success and the demons that can plague individuals in private.
  • Sharpe shares intimate family stories regarding grief and loss, underscoring how loss never fades and can shape a man forever.
• Notable Quotes:

  • Shannon:

    “Parents are not supposed to bury kids. It’s supposed to be the other way around.” (38:24)
    “There’s a volcano going on inside that we can’t see.” (48:51)

  • Ocho on warning signs:

    “You don’t know the hell that somebody is dealing in their head.” (37:00)

  • Both plead for anyone struggling to reach out, reminding listeners:

    “All I can say, if you're going through something, talk to somebody. Talk.” (52:12 – Ocho)

4. Antonio Brown Arrest Discussion

Timestamps: 52:43 – 65:52

• News Recap: Recent arrest for attempted murder stemming from a shooting after a celebrity boxing event.
• Ocho’s Personal Connection and Heartbreak:

  • Ocho describes Brown as “one of the most dominant receivers… of his time,” (56:27) and laments how much he tried to keep him on the right path.

  • Ocho:

    “It's bigger than football… that's home team. Always has been for years since the baby.” (64:37)

  • Both men reflect on the challenge of watching friends spiral:

    “Sometimes Ocho, you, you, you know, we get to a level, we do feel like we're untouchable, invincible.” (61:19 – Shannon Sharpe)

  • The pain of watching someone’s fall from grace:

    “For somebody that special… to understand all the obstacles and the sacrifices it took to get there… and then just to let it go like that. I don't know, it's crazy.” (60:18 – Ocho)

5. Reflections on Legacy, Reputation, and Bridges

Timestamps: 65:52 – end (68:09)

• Ochocinco shares hard-won wisdom about never burning bridges:

  “Why would I destroy a bridge that I might have to cross back over on?” (65:52)

• Sharpe reflects on thinking long term, always balancing personality with strategic caution:

  “I play a fool, but I’m not one… There’s a reason I’m not a statistic.” (66:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shannon Sharpe on victories and standards:

  “You never accept anything in a win that you wouldn’t in a loss.” (06:09)

• On the Broncos’ defensive dominance:

  “Their front seven matches up with anybody… their best defensive player is not there.” (18:21–18:26)

• Pain of generational loss:

  “When my granny died, a part of me died with her. I won't ever be the same. I won’t ever love the same. I’ve tried.” (41:41 – Shannon Sharpe)

• On Marshawn Kneeland's tragedy:

  “There’s a volcano going on inside that we can’t see.” (48:51 – Shannon Sharpe)
  “All I can say, if you're going through something, talk to somebody. Talk.” (52:12 – Chad Johnson)

• Ochocinco heartbreak on Antonio Brown:

  “It’s bigger than football... that's home team. Always has been for years since the baby.” (64:37)
  “I tried to talk to him… it hurt to see that it’s come to this point.” (58:29)
  “Why would I destroy a bridge that I might have to cross back over on?” (65:52)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:45 – 09:56: Dissection of Broncos' win, offensive ineptitude, criticism of pay calling and quarterback play.
• 09:56 – 12:48: Broncos defense hype, in-depth breakdown of front seven personnel.
• 16:29 – 19:24: Third down failures, bizarre punting, rating Broncos’ defensive legitimacy.
• 33:29 – 52:29: Grief and reflection surrounding Marshawn Kneeland’s death; mental health messages.
• 52:43 – 65:52: Antonio Brown’s legal issues and personal impact on the hosts.

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Tone & Style

The dialogue is unsparing and raw, veering from football banter to deeply personal, sometimes tearful explorations of loss, mental health, and loyalty. The chemistry between Sharpe and Ochocinco is evident—they oscillate naturally between analysis, storytelling, and heartfelt conversation in a way that brings humanity into the sports world.

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Summary for New Listeners

This Nightcap episode isn’t just about football. While it starts with a critical breakdown of a lackluster Broncos-Raiders matchup, it quickly pivots to larger, more important issues—mental health struggles within the NFL, the shattering loss of a young player, and the fall of an all-time great. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco offer both an insider’s X’s and O’s analysis and a testament to the importance of compassion, connection, and looking out for each other well beyond the field. The episode is peppered with hard football truths, emotional vulnerability, and the kind of wisdom that only comes from living, losing, and loving at the highest levels of the game.

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If you listen to just one part:

• For the football breakdown, check out 05:45–12:48.
• For the emotional core and lessons about struggle and resilience, jump to 33:29–52:29.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know. You got the win at your back and you won't throw it down the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Your face. You say. Okay, both throw it down the field. I don't get. You block a point and you go backwards. You get a pick and you go backwards. It was just bad offensive football. And I just remember being in games like this when I was in Denver and we were really good. Ocho. And it was almost like we had lost the game. It was almost like a funeral because you have a certain level of expectations that you expect to play to. Yes. And Michael and I all. You hear me say this all the time. You never accept anything in a win that you wouldn't in a loss. Right. We won the game, but you cannot be happy with the way we played in winning the game. You play any team that you, you, you think you're a playoff team. Okay. Maybe they go to the playoffs. You're not winning playing that type of offensive football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's just. You just beat a. You just beat a bad team. The Raiders are bad. Yes, they're bad, Ojo. I mean, there's no way around it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The Raiders are a bad team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, well, listen, The Raiders are 2 and 8 offensive. They couldn't get anything going. If I'm not mistaken, they had 12 or 12 or 13, 13 drives a series.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, where, where, where they Went where they went three and out. If. If I'm not mistaken, obviously, Gino, with the offense playing as bad as they. They were, they can't overcome interceptions. The hell. The goddamn Broncos defense, they are so goddamn good. I'm not saying. I'm not saying they're the 2000 Ravens. I'm not saying the legion of Boom or they're not. Maybe not the no fly zone of the. Of the Broncos season where they went to the super bowl, but they are goddamn good. They're very good. And minus. No P2 is not even playing right now. I think he's going for the next three weeks. And they. They were phenomenal. They were phenomenal and that's why they were in the game. And. And for the Raiders. You have to understand games like this, this is why kickers are so important. Even though it was a snooze fest, it was an opportunity for the game to go in overtime. All the kicker for the Raiders had to was make the kick. Just make the kick. Games are won and lost on the leg. Sometimes you got one job to do, Unc. You have one job to do as a kicker that give you a chance to give your team a chance to win or tie a game or send it in overtime. And he wasn't able to do that. And listen, you said it right. It was a snooze fest tonight. Not much offense, but it was a lot of defense played. And they're really not. There's really not much to take away from it. But you do get games like this. You do. You do have to win ugly games like this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And listen, Broncos been winning ugly games. They beat. They. They won. They beat the Texans last week. They basically, the games, just because you score a bunch of points in the end has been ugly. I mean, you. You can't keep spotting teams like this. That's the Raiders. Yeah. I mean, you spot, you play good team. It's going to be very interesting. Spot the Chargers like this, spot Kansas City like this and see what happens. You can't keep. Oh, we can come back. It is. It's great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I, Can I, Can I say something? Can I say something? Even if you do spot among. And even with the Chargers deep, even with the Chargers offense, even with the. Even with the Chiefs offense, I don't think. Let's not underestimate how good the Broncos defense is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, the difference on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On all. On all three levels. And offense might be somewhat of Achilles heel for them right now, but even special teams is good. The special team is good. And the defense is phenomenal. So they can overcome bad offensive play because they can make up for it in certain areas.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But here's the thing, what happens. Look, this was a bad team. The Raiders are bad. There's no way around it. And I thought the game plan that they implemented tonight was bad. I thought Bo Nicks played his worst game of the year the tonight, he was just downright awful. But oo other team, Kansas City got an offense and a defense. The Chargers got an offense and a defense. So it's like. Yeah, they're going. You going to go, man, look here. People keep telling me, man, y' all just, y' all just picking on Riley Moss because he. That guy dropped the touchdown. Yeah, that guy dropped the effing touchdown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gino Smith overshot Lockett in the first half. A wide open. Now, I understand that is a tough route to cover. It is. Well, he missed. Lock it on one and he missed the other. I think it was Thorton that ran a whip route. Those are hard rod to cover, but we got to stop this. I understand. Hey, you don't normally see white guys. You can probably count on one hand in the last 50 years that you seen a white guy play corner. But boy, if that defense didn't have Allen and Benito and Cooper and those guys that can get off the quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, un. Them boys nasty up front, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, they, they jump off the ball now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, the front four for the Broncos right now is the way we talked about the front four for the Eagles last year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they, they get off the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They are hell, especially them two on the out. Them two that goddamn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And Cooper.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you see how fast he get off the goddamn ball?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I do. Hey, don't sleep on 99. Oh, Allen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, in the middle.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boy, he whipping ass in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he nice. He's nice. He really, really. Hey, for some reason, for some reason, on every team, why is it always that the guard in the center always the weak link to office the line?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because your most athletic guys are edge rushers. Your Miles Garrett, your T.J. watts, your Bonitos, those guys that play the edge, Lawrence Taylor, Derek Thomas, all those guys play the edge. So you put your most athletic. You put your least athletic guys on the inside, right? But then you get a guy like an Aaron Donald or Warren SAP and they go whip hell out of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And so that, that's what happens. And Allen, he's so. He's, he's. He's tall for D tackle, right? So. And the thing is he can lock out. And so now he locks out. He'll, he'll rip, he'll swim. He's, he's phenomenal. Yeah, he's having, he's having a, he's having a. There's a whole lot of defensive tackles that are better than him. They might have bigger names, but he plays it all. He plays the run. He gets after your quarterback. He can pressure your quarterback. He back passes. He'll put your quarterback on the ground. He's a, he's a hard playing Jesse. Now you got those two guys that's on the outside, Benito and Cooper, that's forcing everything inside. So you step up here. He's there to clean up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right there. Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So you, you, hey, it's first come, first serve. Meet me at the quarterback.

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It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

0.73 seconds. Hey, you better not be late if you're late. But look, they set the game of the football back. This offensive football, what we watched tonight, this is not indicative of the Broncos. I'm sorry, I've seen the Broncos and I watch them every week and I try to watch them closely and the third quarter is normally a slews fest for them but they're a better football team than what they showed tonight. The defensively and special teams won him this game tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, but you know, also I think, I think if I'm not mistaken the way the play calling was, I think Sean Payton was actually protecting B Knicks, making sure he doesn't put him in situations that weren't advantageous for them where he can turn the ball over. Because I, you know, I see B. Knicks as somewhat of a gunslinger.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He like to let. He like to let that thing go. He liked to let it go. So I, I, I, the play calling, to me, it was somewhat conservative to make sure he doesn't put bo Nicks in situations where he can turn the ball over and give the Raiders opportunities to score.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Third downs. Ocho, the two teams combined nine of 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy, ain't it?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's nine of 30, Ocho. The Broncos had it 31. And they run a gimmick. Yeah. Oh, they go through. They throw the bo Nick, throw the ball to Courtland Sutton. Courtney Sutton is going to throw the come, bro. Get the first. Y' all are not. You see you're struggling offensively, right? That's what, that's what I don't get. I see we're struggling offensively. The last thing I need to do is get these guys off the field. Let me get this first down and maybe we can stay at a rhythm. It's hard. The Broncos punter, he was. Let me. He was terrible. The Raiders punter is putting the ball down at the foot line, right? He put the ball out of damn midfield. Yeah. He damn near missed the whole ball. He kicked one ball with the shit. With his shin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm like, how you missed the whole damn ball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said he shanked it. He shanked the bed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He shanked a couple of them. I'm like, well, maybe. Maybe he can't see me. I'm like, bro, what is going on? It's the bright lights, this. You're not gonna play again for another 10 days. O. Joe, you got the weekend off. That, that display, what they put on display tonight, defense, defensively. The Broncos are legit defensively. You're not going to find three. You're not going to find two. Hey, their top three defense, and I'm not so sure they're. They're not two or three. Yeah, listen, their front seven. Their front seven matches up with anybody. I don't give a damn who that front seven is. If you like Minnesota, if you like the Texans, if you like the Eagles, if you like the Rams. I don't care who you like Green Bay. I don't care. Their front seven. Their best defensive player is not there. He's not back. Patan ii. But when you put him back in there, hey, they're legit. They're legit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they're the real deal. Really Real deal. As much, as much as I want to talk trash, I can't. I can't. As bad.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

First of all, you can't talk trash because they didn't lose. You want to. Come on here, you. I saw what you're saying. Broncos lose by the Raiders win by three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, that's, that's what I thought. That's what I thought it was going to be. I think if they went to overtime, there was a chance that the Raiders might have squeezed one out, but they couldn't. The kicker missed. The kicker missed a field goal to take it into overtime at some point. And I, I was, I was hoping it would happen. When he missed that kick, I was like, you know what? The game over. Because there was nothing that the Raider could do offensively. Hell, it, it took, it took a.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't think they got the ball back. Did they get the ball back after they missed that? Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not that it was a rap after that point.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, the Broncos moved to eight and two. Look, I, I. And they got all these division games. They're owing 1 of the division. They've already lost to the Chargers in la. So they get Kansas City twice. They get the Raiders again and they get the Chargers again, but they get the Chargers at home. And so they're eight and two, but they're owing one in the division. The Chargers haven't lost a game in the division, but the Chargers got, they got two games against Kansas City also. I'm not even counting, I'm not even counting. I'm not counting the Raiders. That's, that's a win for everybody. And I knew, man, when Gino got that five rules.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, look, that, that, that, that, that contusion. Hey, you know, you know, in the morning when that, when they lock, when it, when it, when it's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boy, that blood with that blood settled.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that blood get in there, it's over. Hey, let me tell you something, boy. I had, I had one of them on top of the thigh like that. Yeah. A defensive lineman, he need me. Hey, remember when he was little kids used to put a little frog in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Your arm right here? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like this. Yeah, that. Hey, that's all it is, man. Once that, when that blood harden up and they got to use that, what's it called that, that, that steel thing, the graston.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah. They try to try to break that up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And see, the thing is. Oh, that's your guy. He got, he got kneed on the side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, oh.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Cause you saw that big D lineman. And I was like, well, damn. Did he. I was like, did it. Is it Achilles?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, he showed that thing in slow motion. He got it good. Oh, hey. He got it good. I don't know if anybody in the chat if you've ever had one of those, but your boy have had a couple of them. And, man, it ain't. I don't care what you do. You know where you sleep. I slept with my leg bent. I tied a belt. Oh. Around my leg and slept with it bed the whole night. Somebody told me that dumb ish, man. You don't sleep with your bed. And that way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't work.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hell no. Hey, Ojo. Now I could barely combine the blood themselves. I could barely put. I could barely straighten my leg out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bingo. And that. That's the part that's the worst. I don't know if anybody in the chat has ever had that. When you go to the training room and they got to break it up, you bite. You bite on that towel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That little steel. And they get the gr. And they get the grind in it. Oh, my God. But, hey, but that pain, now I got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I had one man my rookie year. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It broke my thigh pad. Put a hole right. Boy, I cried, bro. I'm a rookie. I'm a seventh round draft pick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right sharp. What are you doing? Run. You can run faster than. Oh, Joe, babe, you. Hey, man, I want to say. Shut the. You see me? You see how I run it, right? When y' all saw me on film, did I ever run like this on tape, man, you know, my leg messed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know something wrong with me. Hey, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, man. You know how it is when you're rookie. They don't care to hear nothing. They don't want to hear no excuse, abs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not. And that. And you know that's the worst thing. To have something wrong with you. To have something wrong with you. When you're out there and you're trying to compete and you're trying to win yourself a job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you got an injury or any. Anything that's. That's hampering your ability to be at your best. That's one of the worst feelings in the world, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It is. It is. Being injured or not knowing. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because the one thing that could save you if you don't know what the hell you're doing, make sure you make that mistake. Going 100 miles an hour.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Miles an hour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep. And I was like, man, but the bro. Look, like you said, Ocho, their defense is going to keep you in a lot of games. You're not just going to go up and down the field on that defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Once they get a beat on you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's a wrap.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Once they. You better have a mobile quarterback and get out of harm's way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because if you don't and you see they track down Jalen hurts, they track down Jackson dart. Those are some of the more mobile quarterbacks. Right. If your quarterback is stationary like Geno.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is, it's a rap. I mean, listen, they had. They had. This is. The Raiders offense has some success because they're so aggressive coming up the field, throwing those quick screens out there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Waiting. Waiting on the. On the screenplay to the back, you know, out of the backfield. And. But there was only so much they could do. You can't run the same play over and over and over and over and over and any type of creativity or like diving deep into your. Into your office of playbook, man, they had. They had an answer for everything. They had an answer for everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And based on. Look, based on how the. The weather was tonight, you know, the likelihood of the ball going down the field deep, they're probably going to try one. And the Raiders missed their opportunity. The ball hit. Hit Thorton in his hands. O. That's a touchdown. That is a touchdown. That is a. And I. That is a flat drop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only is it a drop, you know, that's the difference in the game, right? Yes, that's the difference in the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely. Because now what. It's 14.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what makes me mad? A guy drops the ball and then the DB Go. Come to my. You played no role in him dropping that ball. You were cooked. Yeah. Oh, he go, man, sit down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. They funny, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That used to make me so bad. Yeah, you, bro. I just dropped it. You didn't have anything to do with that. You were cooked. I beat that. What? Right now I. Now I'm really. Now I'm really beating myself up. Oh. Because I dropped the pass. He talking ish like he broke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like he did something right. Hey, that's fine, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

10 to 7. 10 to 7. Oo garbage.

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10.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And all we got was 10 to 7.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When it got to the third quarter, I had to tweet. I had to tweet and make sure I wasn't tripping and asked Twitter, is this game a snooze fest? Or. Or am I. Or am I tripping? It was. It was bad. It was Bad. But then some people say it was a good game because.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, ain't nobody gonna say that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna say it's a defensive game. They gonna say every game can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Every game you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stole 30 points.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They got 17 points between the two teams. Ocho, with the way the. The way the. The defense is handicapped.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You only get 17 points between the two teams. I don't understand. The Broncos blocked the point, got the ball at the 10, and they move backwards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Backwards.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They get an interception. Tillman running. Tillman played running back. I don't give a damn what y' all say. That linebacker, number 92 that picked that ball off, the way he was running, weaving in and out of traffic. He was a running back. At some point in time in his career at high school or Pop Warner or something, he played running back. Ain't no linebacker running like that with the ball in their hand that's never had the ball in their hand and was running, trying to get a touchdown. I. It would be. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall. I would love to hear how. What Sean Payton said. I guarantee Sean Payton said, look, we won the game, but that was a fourth jive. He's gonna take responsibility on himself. No, it's not. The way I know him, he's like, hey, that wasn't my finest outing either. Right. I got to do a better job, but the plays that I send in, you got to execute better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's all. That's all it come down to. You know what? As you. You know, there's always games like this. Yeah, you always get games like this throughout the season. And when you're playing a division opponent, who knows you best, those you see the most often, those you see frequently twice a year. So this is how the games are going to be sometimes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Dobbins was running the ball. I mean, he's getting five yards. Okay, what did Dobbins have? Dobbins had 18 for 77. I thought he ran the ball. I mean, God, they were. They have a blocker, and Bo Nicks, he runs into the tackle. They got the screen set up outside. He running. I'm like, guys, what. What are y' all doing? What you do is you dart outside to make it fake outside, and you cut up inside. Or you fake inside and cut outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, you know, look, it would been. It would have been very, very tough to block, block, block Max Crosby, because he jumps around so much, you don't know where he's gonna be. And he's really great at snatch P you, you know, the next thing you know, you're on your damn face. But you can't stop your feet because if you stop your feet, he gonna be done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're done.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So if he jumps inside, just watch him. Just tell your running back, look, be ready to come behind me because he's all over the place. He's down in the stance. He's a three point stance. He's in a four point stance. He's standing up. So it's really hard to get a bead on what he's gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The only thing that's your only saving grace, Ocho, and is that you know where the ball's going. So now it doesn't matter what, what he's going to do. I just can't let him beat me inside if the ball's going away from me. If the ball's going, if the ball's coming my way, he jumps inside, I just wash it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Washing right on by.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Turned off news altogether.

[Colin Cowherd]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's the rage bait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Cowherd]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's it. But you know, look, they win the ball game. I guarantee you they they probably think they brought the Broncos, I mean, a lot of the fans, like, yeah, we're happy we won. We got to see our team win, but they're disappointed. They're like, we can't play like this and expect to win games. Ocho, we got some very sad news to share. Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Nealon sadly died this morning after apparently taking his own life after a brief police chase and a vehicle crash, according to authorities. The news has rocked the NFL community. Today, the Broncos held a moment of silence before tonight's game. I believe around the league Sunday, everybody will hold a moment of silence leading into Monday night's game. They will hold a silence for the young man. Ocho, what was the first thoughts when you. You heard the news?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, my first thoughts was, you know, especially where he is right now. He was in a good space. He had a good game, scored his first touchdown knowing special teams, and I thought there. There might have been an issue. Hon, honestly, you know, I. Listen, we. Family, I. I can share. I. I thought it might have been an issue at home, you know, issue with his girl or something, and things went left and, you know, come to find out, if I'm not mistaken, he. He fled. He was running from the cops or whatever it may be. So I just thought maybe it's stem from that and. And just. I'm not sure what headspace he was in, but. But it's sad. It's sad, honestly. And I. I wish. I wish things, you know, had it been different, you know, for him, for his sake, for his family's sake. And. And I'm praying for. For obviously for the Cowboys fan, Cowboys, you know, Cowboys players, and obviously his family as well. But, I mean, that's the first thing that went through my. Through. Through my head. Huh? I mean, how. How everything. Everything is. Is going right for a young man as. As. As you would assume on the outside, looking in. And. And most of the time, there. There are certain disturbances that happen with those closest to you that, that. That kind of sway you to do things that are somewhat uncharacteristic, you know, of you. And it makes decisions that just are tough, very tough, and. And be. Because of that, whatever it may be. You know, I'm not. That's. I'm just telling you what I thought when I first heard it. But whatever did happen, I'm sure it will come out, but, man, it's sad. It's sad. You. You had your whole career in front of you. You had your whole career there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Sometimes it gets dark. We were on our way back From LA this morning. And Jordan say, boss, you see this cowboy player died? I said, huh? I said, how old was he? He said, 24. I said, it's suicide. He said, why you say that? I said, because it wasn't a car accident. Because it was a car accident. They said that, right? 24 year olds just don't drop dead. No, that's before I knew anything.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

24 year old young men playing the NFL just don't drop dead. They don't. I'll share a story. Not now. Because this is our time to grieve him. But you don't know, boy, when some, when people going through something. Yeah, man, you got to be really, really strong. Yes. Really, really, really, really. I can't emphasize really enough.

[Colin Cowherd]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'll share a story about what 25 is done with 25 and the things that I've gone through publicly and privately. But in this situation, it is reported that his girlfriend called police and asked for a wellness check. He had a. He has a gun. And if what's being reported, he will end it. He will end it. He will end it. She kept emphasizing that is also being reported that the group chat. He said, he said goodbye to his family. Obviously that's not normal. Probably those closest to around him probably knew that he probably dealt with something, but probably didn't know the severity in which he was dealing with it. You know, we, you know, we think we know people, Ocho. We do. We think we know people. And yeah, man, I'm good, bro. I'm good, I'm good. Nah, and, and you don't want to, you say, well, I don't want to pry, man. Man, you don't know what's. Man, you don't know the hell that somebody has dealing in their head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And the thing is, is that when you're going through something you like, man, I just, I just want to be out of this pain. But when you go that step, think about all the pain that those that's left behind gonna have to deal with all the unanswered questions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now what did I do? Where did I go wrong? What could I have done? Did I miss the signs? Is there something I could have done? Could I have intervened sooner? What is it that I missed? Now they have to question themselves. They ask themselves tough questions. Yeah, he's out of pain. Those demons got him. And I just feel bad for people that parents, Parents are not supposed to bury kids. It's supposed to be the other way around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The way around. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I Can just, I can just imagine. And, and, and, and if it's my, if it's mom, his dad, those that loved him, that cared about him, I can only imagine the hell. Cause it's already tough when, when, when, when that appointment that you have that can't be rescheduled. It's. But Ocho, the man upstairs knew how this thing was going to play out. He knew. He already. The moment you born, he already know how you gonna leave.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I just. My heart breaks for his family. My heart break for those that. That cared about him, that loved him, that, that. But you don't know, man. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, when you lower.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you like. And you don't think there's no other way to end this pain, to end this disappointment, to end this heartbreak. Telling you, Ocho, I'm telling you, man, you have to, you have to fall on your knees.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, it's tough, you know, man, I had. Hey, bro, hey, listen, hold on. Hey, now, now. We don't both been there now too, now. Yeah. Hey, you talking about. I'm talking about the lowest of the lows. I'm talking about sitting on top of the mountain at 12 o' clock in the afternoon, boy. By the next, the next day at 11. But I was at the bottom.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Before you go any further, Ocho, his mom passed away last year. Well, you know what passed away, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's a pain like no other. You hear me? But when I. Well, when I lost Hurricane Paula, you talk about pain. And the only thing that was able to. The only reason I got to think about them little ones, see, that's. That's how I'm able to be able to compartmentalize and understand. Okay, I can grieve, I can be hurt. But then the other side of me, I still got to stay strong for them. I still got business I got to take care of. So I. I had to. I had to be even keel in a sense. And, and listen, you know, life does continue to go on. So I'm had, I'm have to do this grieving as I finish this journey. I ain't. I. I ain't. I ain't got no. I ain't. I don't have no choice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You don't. I just remember O Joe and my grandma said it twice. She never said it in front of me, but she said something else. I remember she told my. She. The doctors came in. Sorry chat. The doctors came in the room.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Libby was just as plain as day. They said, well, Ms. Porter, how you doing? She said, I'm not doing well, Doc. I'm dying. Said it just like that. She said, miss porter. She said, Mr. Ms. Porter, you can't say like this. You can't say that. You can't. You can't think like that. And Libby say. She said, granny, don't say that, Granny. Granny said, I know I'm dying. That was the first time. About a month later, my cousin Linda was in the room. She said, hey, Linda's mom and granny with sisters, anime and Granny. So she said, aunt Mary, how you doing? She said, I ain't doing good, Linda. I'm dying. Just like that. Libby hadn't told me. And granted, no, Libby had told me. So I come in there and I'm all sad. She said, boy, why you sad? She said, we all got to do it, son. We all got to live here. We got to leave here. We ain't come to stay. I got up and walked out the room. I can honestly say I've never been the same since. When my granny died, a part of me died with her. I won't ever be the same. I won't ever love the same. I've tried. I'm never gonna love anybody like I love that woman. Because even when I was wrong, she say, baby, you wrong, but I love you. It broke me. And when I went back in that room, ojo. I remember it like yesterday. I went back in that room. They was doing a story on me for the Denver Post, Mike Clist. And I stopped. And she was crying. I'm talking about uncontrollably. Yeah. And I stopped Mike, and I went in the room and I got in my arms and I said, granny, what's wrong? And I got in my arm that she just moving back and forth, back and forth. Granny, what's wrong? I said, granny, it's okay. I got it. She looked at me. I said, granny, I got it. I said, I got Libby, I got Spanky, and I got Mama. It's okay. I got it. I said, you and Papa did what you're supposed to do. I said, granny, don't worry about it anymore. I got this. If you need to go home to rest, go home and know your baby got it. Ocho. I left. That was like a Wednesday, Thursday. I called home. I called Libby. Libby said, yeah. I said, you already home? She said, yeah. Granny said she needed some rest. Thirty minutes later, Libby called me back. People called. Granny was gone. She wasn't going until. She was not going until her baby said it Was going to be okay. Once I told granny it was going to be okay. That I had Libby, I had Spank, and I had mama. Yeah, it was like a weight was lifted off her. Because her whole life she had worried about everybody. Now she okay. If I leave, who. Who gonna worry about him? Who gonna take care of them? Me. I don't sleep because I can't turn my mind off. I've been in survival mode since I was about nine years old. Why don't go on vacation? Because I can't. Because I can't stop to turn my mind off. I lay up so many nights thinking about my brother, my sister, my mom. Worried about my kids. If something happens to Shannon, who's gonna take care of them? My mom's been retired 20 years. My sister ain't worked in 50 years. My brother's retired. Who is gonna. Yes, I've got all the parameters in place, but. Oh, that's what I worry about. That's why I worked so damn hard. That's why I was in la. Did. Did a Club Shay Shay interview, did nightcap, got up at 5:30 this morning, caught a 7 o' clock flight here, came back, took a shower, took an hour nap and went and did another Club Shay Shay interview. And here I am doing it tonight. Nightcap. That's why. Because there's nobody else. Mary and Barney Porter. That is my calling. I got to take care of my family. That's what I got to do, Ojo. That's what I'm here for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, you shot up. All I thought about was getting rained on. All I thought about you talking about Unc. You ate that. All I thought about when I was in Denver is what I ate all the night that we didn't have anything to eat. That's what I thought about. That's what drove me, Ocho. There were many nights I was obsessed with drove me. There are many nights. Like I said, I'm gonna share my story. I want to talk this about Kneeland. But I know what that young man was going through. I know there been a many days o yo I'm in my living room and I fall on my knees I say I know you're the alpha and the omega you're the king of kings, the lord of lords. Father, I stretch my hand to thee no other help I know if you leave me where I'm going to go I say, father, I know you didn't bring me this far to believe me Now I can just imagine the hurt if he cared about his mom like I love my granny. I can imagine the hurt. Because I know the day my sister called me that night. She called me. I was never, ever the same. And I'm never gonna be the same. And anybody that bees up that's in my life need to understand that. I'm gonna love you. I'm gonna give you everything I got. But Mary Viola Porter gave me everything but life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everything but life. What you see, the discipline, the hard work, the dedication. She used to tell me and my brother all the time, it take all that to make a man. Man. My heart break for this young man's family. 24 years old, perfect health. Picture of health on the outside. But there's a volcano going on inside that we can't see. There's a saying that says we create our demons, and only we can chase them away. Sometime when you're at your weakest, that's where the old devil try to get you. Joe. Oh, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's when he tried to get you. But if you're not careful, he'll get you when you're at your highest, too, because you'll let your guard down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It only took me one time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

To kneeling. Family, friends and loved ones, anybody that. That came in contact with this young man. I grieve with you. I pray with you. All I can offer you are thoughts and prayers. And hopefully in this most troubled time, God brings you comfort, he brings you peace, and he brings you understanding. I heard for the family. Oh. Should they say if you walk a man a mile in a man's shoes, then you'll understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only way you'll understand.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You can't walk a mile in a man's shoes, Ocho, because the very mile that you walked in his shoes might be the best day of his life. You got to spend an eternity. You got to spend an experience. You have to walk step for step, day for day, week for week, month for month, year for year, to get a sense of what a man is going through or what a person's going through for them demons, man. You got to be strong, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And like you said, you need to be strong for other people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. Don't. That's what. That's the one thing keep me going because I hadn't been. I didn't been to the. I didn't been at the lowest of lows. I know I have been at the highest of highs. And I learned after being at my lowest, how can I always keep myself even keel at all times, not get too high, not get too low, but stay right in that middle. No matter what. No matter how, how bad, how sad I am, no matter how good I'm feeling, always stay right there. Even kill right and center. My focus has always been completely different. Always been completely different. Losing mama, losing grandma, on top of the other issues, man, we all, we all fighting a different battle. We all fighting something. Hey, I'm talking about everybody.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We all at war.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody fights something. Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

24 years of. 24 years young. 24 years young. Hell, you remember you was 24. I remember when I was 24. Hell, my kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The one time. This is not the first time he's fought this battle. This is the first time the battle's won. Cowboys, I pray for you. Dak went through very something very similar. His brother Dak spoke about a fallen teammate today. It's been very tough day. Tragic loss. I hurt heavy, heavy, heavy heart today. I hurt for my Sean. I hurt for his family. I hurt for his girlfriend. I hurt for every single one of my teammates. It's just the pain that you don't wish upon anyone. You wish none of this, none of us had to go through it. You wish Marshawn didn't have to go through it, what he went through. Just thankful for each moment we have in this life and you don't want to take it for granted. You talking to somebody that has a first hand account, you lost a brother. I can only imagine. I can't even begin to fathom the pain, the hurt that the Cowboys fans, Cowboy players, his family, his friends, his loved ones. I can, I can't even, I can't even fathom that kind of pain. I hurt for him. My heart breaks for him. All I can say, if you're going through something, talk to somebody. Talk. Maybe he felt there was no one to talk to. There was no one to turn to Ocho. No one heard his cries, his silent screams, his whispering yells. They went unheard. Marshawn Lee Nealon tragically dead at the age of 24. Ocho someone you know very well. Antonio Brown was arrested on attempted murder charge stemming from a shooting after celebrity boxing event in Miami, police confirmed today. Miami police said Brown was taken into custody at by the US Marshals in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. He was flown to Essex County, New Jersey, where he was being held pending extradition to Miami. It was unclear why Brown was take, why AB was taken to New Jersey first or how long he's been in Dubai, although he has posted several times on social media over the past few months. From there According to the arrest Warrant Detailing the May 16 shooting, AB is accused of grabbing a handgun from a security staffer after a boxing match and firing two shots at a man he had been fist fighting with earlier. The man told the investigators that one of the bullets grazed his neck. Ocho. Yeah. A.B. arguably one of the most dominant receivers, not just in his era, of his time. I mean, you look at from 2010 to 2018, he was a four time first team all pro, he was a seven time pro bowler and he was a Super bowl with the Bucks and he did it. I just wish Ab realized how special he was. He doesn't real. He didn't realize it. Ocho, Ocho.

[Degree Cool Rush Announcer]

That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got. Hey, listen. Oh, you ain't got to tell me. You know I know you got to understand now we all grew up together. We all come from the same area, we all train together. I was watching Ab when he's at Northern High School. When he was in high school, I got seen him at Central Michigan. We trained every off season together for years. Years. Every off season. Me, ab, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson. I mean it's a constant, constant to make sure that union, that union as far as receivers that come from Dade county, we stay together and no way still on the right path. Always understanding how we got where we are, the work we put in to get to this point. Iron sharpens iron. So we made sure we all stayed aligned with each other and did everything the right way always. I'm not sure at what point I understood. He knows he's great. We always told him he was great. I'm not sure at what point everybody else, we straight, we straight line. Even I was a fool, Even I was a fool in a fun, entertaining way. But listen, I know what lines not to cross, right? I understood what lines not to cross because there's certain bridges I didn't want to burn that I knew I would need on the back end. I don't, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I try, I, I try to talk to him. I tried because, bro, I'm talking about people understanding. I, I sent out like a, a broken heart when I saw, you know, what happened when I saw the news on Twitter and people like, why are you sending, man? It's history. This ain't got nothing to do with football.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, it's bigger than football. Way bigger than a man. On a personal level, you know him as a fan. I know him on a personal level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And, and so it, it hurt to see that it's come to this point, you know, and you, you try to talk to individuals but stuff like that. When it comes to someone that, that's grown and is able to make their own decisions, you know, you, you kind of let things play out for what they are because maybe he doing something that he feels is the right thing. Even though it may be crazy from the outside looking in, maybe there's a method to it madness. But when it gets to this point, God damn, not, not my dog. You know, maybe. Maybe something like this is in a sense, I don't know how things are going to turn out, but maybe this is something he might need. They're bringing back home, if you understand what I mean. Something to bring back home and getting back on the, on the right track. I'm not sure what the outcome of this will be, but I mean, may he, you know, you know, I'm here for him. If you haven't ever needed me, you could ever reach out, you know, I'm always here, man. It's. It's three people. It's three people no matter what. AB is one of them and that damn to. I don't, I don't care what it is, but if they ever need anything. But I wouldn't, I don't care if it was. I was on my last. You got it? I don't care. It just. I just. Oh, that hurt. I just never wanted to bother him because he grown, you know. So it's, it's, you know, I. I want to stay in my place, you know. And that just make me sad to see for somebody that special to understand all the, the obstacles and the sacrifices.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Came to get there, to get where.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You at and then it's just to let it go like that when. I don't know, it's crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know. Look, I. All I know is about what they said. I guess he had got into a fight with somebody. It was a celebrity boxing match. I guess he felt he was getting jumped and he took the security guards. I. I guess from what it is. I guess he took the security guards firearm. I don't know. I don't know. I mean I know you think the United Emirates, but you need to go to Russia if you were trying to get away. You need to go to Russia. You need to go somebody with China, somebody that ain't cool with the US you see Edward Snowden?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you see where he's at?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah. He's still locked up all this time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He ain't locked up. He over there. What you Call him in Russia.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. They can't, they can't extradite him.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was a spy or something like that, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He stole all that encrypted info. Yeah, yeah. I just, man, I mean, hopefully this all gets resolved. Look, me and, me and AB have had our differences, but in a situation like this, I just have sympathy, I have empathy for him. We all make mistakes. We all go through things, and it's just tough. It's just tough to see somebody that was so talented, so immensely talented. Obviously you knew him on a different level than I knew him. I just knew him on a surface level, covered him for a number of years, and to see this happen, it's just tough. It's. It's extremely tough. I just, Boy, like I said, I just, you know, sometimes Ocho, you, you, you know, we get to a level, we do feel like we're untouchable, invincible, like we're invincible. And, and, And I'm like, I don't know. He just, he was special. I wish he could have stayed focused, stayed in Pittsburgh, stayed with Big Ben. Ain't no telling what. What kind of numbers he could have put up with Big Ben. No kind of numbers. He was. Like I said, hopefully he can. Someone that, that, that loves him and cares about him and understands him, can talk to him and, and, and, and reason with him. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to, to reason with somebody that's unreasonable. You know, you try like, hey, man, you know, blah, blah, and it just. Danny mirrors trying to hit. Do you talking to a mocho? You ever be talking to somebody you like and you know they're not listening now, you know, everything that you said is going through one ear and out the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what else is hard, too? It's hard to listen to somebody when they feel exactly like you said, when they're on top of the world and they feel invincible. It's hard. Even even though that's your dog and you notice your homeboy, you understand, he grown and, you know, he, he move in a different way than, you know, the way you move. So you, you got the respect for the decision making. You know, he is grown. And then you kind of question some of the people around him, you know, like, wait a minute. That ain't what. That ain't. They ain't even. That ain't even home team. They ain't been there. Not, not through what we. Not through what we went through to get to where we got to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if it was, they wouldn't even let you Be doing the shit you're doing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

True.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But again, you know, I'm. I'm in the background. I really can't. You know, you grown so I thought there was a method to the madness, but, man, love. Love him to death. I don't agree with all the decisions and some of the things he does, but love him to death because it's bigger for us. For me, it's bigger than football. That's home team. Always has been for years since. Since the baby.

[Commercial Announcer]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He get it. He get it figured out, Ocho. You know, like I said, I just. I just. Like I said, I don't really know all the ins and out of. You know, the police probably took witness statements and said this is kind of what transpired in this, you know, discharging a firearm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, they got the whole video with that. That little incident there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, duty.

[Degree Cool Rush Announcer]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you ain't see that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, they got the whole fight and everything. Clear as day. 4K.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 4K. So, I mean, yeah, man, I. I don't know, man. I. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. I hope everything turned out on the up and up and. And young bull get us get a chance to, you know, redeem and get back on the right path. That's it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You said something very interesting, Ocho. You said, you know, you didn't want to burn no bridge. Why would I destroy a bridge that I might have to cross back over on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We don't think like that all the time, though.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think, like. Listen, one thing about it, I may play around a lot. You know, I might get into this. This character of being goofy here on this show, but I think long term, I think very strategically, very methodically in everything I do, everything I'm thinking down the road, five, ten years from that. Like, there's a reason I'm not a statistic. You. You're not. You're not hearing me. I play a fool, but I'm not one. Yeah, there's a reason I'm not a statistic.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I tell guys all the time, Ocho, I said, man, look, just try to outlook every. Everything. Everything is not going to be perfect. But, bro, when you get to these teams, just. Just play hard, work hard, because you never know when you're going to need to reach out or ask the team for a favor to help you to do something. I've always. I've always tried to stay in good standing with the Broncos I've always tried to do, stay in good standing with the Ravens. They understand I have a job to do and sometimes I have to critique them harshly. Yeah, they understand that. But I always tried to be a very good representative. Yeah. Especially when I played not to get in any trouble and, you know, be out there fighting and carrying on and acting a damn fool, you know, not mainly, mainly because of Mary Porter. That was the biggest reflection on her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right. But I just, Hey, I had a healthy balance of both, though.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would. Listen, I'm gonna represent home team. I'm gonna represent every other. I'm give you every bit of Dade County I got in me. You feel me?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In a structured environment that is the NFL, which is all about control and, and refusing, you know, those to be individuals. So I'm gonna have my fun and be me, but I'm also gonna. I'm. I'm a teeth of the line. But I'm not gonna cross it because I'm gonna need you in the long run. I understood that. Hey, listen, for the life of me, I understood it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I mean, just, just being able to balance both. I did, I did it very well. I did it very well. I got myself into character the same way when I come on here, When I come on here, man, I'm in character. I'm in character. I'm having fun. I'm, I'm entertaining and, and just, just, just living now, when it comes. When it's time to get serious.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

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