Nightcap Hour 1: VINTAGE LeBron DOMINATES the Mavs + Nikola Topic makes NBA DEBUT after Testicular Cancer + Super Bowl CHAMPION Ernest Jones IV joins NIGHTCAP + NBA FINES Jazz & Pacers + Jaylen Brown SNEAK DISS Jayson Tatum?

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1

"VINTAGE LeBron DOMINATES the Mavs + Nikola Topic makes NBA DEBUT after Testicular Cancer + Super Bowl CHAMPION Ernest Jones IV joins NIGHTCAP + NBA FINES Jazz & Pacers + Jaylen Brown SNEAK DISS Jayson Tatum?"
Date: February 13, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson & Joe "Iso Joe" Johnson
Special Guest: Ernest Jones IV

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Episode Overview

This Nightcap installment on Club Shay Shay dives deep into the state of the NBA on All-Star break eve, including vintage heroics from LeBron James, the moving NBA return of Nikola Topic following cancer treatment, and hard-hitting Super Bowl talk with Seattle Seahawks linebacker Ernest Jones IV. The trio also break down the drama of NBA teams "tanking", examine Jaylen Brown’s cryptic stats post and Celtics chatter, and analyze notable trade and signing news.

The episode is characterized by its energetic, locker room-style banter, real talk about life and sports, and laughter-filled takes on the biggest headlines of the night.

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Major Topics & Key Highlights

1. LeBron James’ Historic Night vs. the Dallas Mavericks

• [04:14–21:07]
• LeBron becomes the oldest NBA player ever to record a triple-double (28 pts/12 ast/10 reb at age 41) as the Lakers cruise past an undermanned Mavs squad before the All-Star break.
• The guys praise LeBron’s energy, leadership, and IQ, especially his ability to involve teammates.
• Shannon Sharpe: “People don’t factor in that the man is 41... when you’re great, this is the level of expectations that people have for you.” [07:22]
• Discussion about the Mavericks’ bad luck with injuries (Kyrie, AD, Cooper Flagg) and failed potential.
• The Lakers’ defensive weaknesses and age catch flak—“LeBron can defend for a possession or two, but to ask a 41-year-old [to do more]? You asking a bit much.” [16:49]
• Lively debate on never feeling sorry for a depleted opponent: “We’re gonna kick you when you’re down, man. Listen, we trying to get us done.” —Ocho [11:39]

Notable Quotes:

• “He looked like LeBron that we’re used to seeing… it sucks for the Mavs.” —Iso Joe [10:03]

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2. Nikola Topic’s Inspirational NBA Debut After Cancer Battle

• [23:46–30:25]
• The panel celebrates Nikola Topic’s perseverance making his NBA debut, four months post-testicular cancer and a year after an ACL tear.
• Emotional reflections: Ochocinco and Shannon share how cancer touched their families, reinforcing the importance of health screenings and early detection.
• “That’s a tough battle, bro... when I hear about stories like this, bro, it was good to see that young man back out there, glad he pulled through.” —Ocho [25:12]
• "My father died from it at 39 ... now, we do have the oldest one, Richard, is I think 91, 92. But—so I'm on the other side." —Shannon [25:28]
• Broader discussion: systemic issues with cancer treatment (treatment vs. cure), medical mistrust in Black communities.

Memorable Moment:

• The unapologetic candor about getting uncomfortable medical tests sparks both laughter and serious reflection about the stakes for Black men’s health. [26:29–29:43]

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3. Super Bowl Champion Ernest Jones IV Interview

• [30:28–43:49]
• Fresh off Seattle’s parade, Jones discusses his Super Bowl journey and contrast vs. winning as a Rams rookie.
• “I thought it was sweet, man. I thought that’s what you do every year, man... It took me three, four years to get back to this point... The way we love each other, the way we fight for each other each and every day, it definitely was different.” —EJ Jones [33:45]
• Locker room mindset, “dark side” defense mentality, and championship leadership.
• Emotional conversation about grieving the loss of fathers; the Seahawks’ unique support system during personal tragedy:
  • “It was easy when we came back to work because they let us grieve... made it easier being around the guys because it takes a…” —EJ [39:13]
• Shannon and Joe reflect on teams’ support (or lack thereof) for bereavement, and the challenge of returning to play during loss.

Notable Quotes:

• “They say this is what they say: 'Oh, you know, family is the most important.' ... Stop it.” —Shannon [42:15]
• “Congratulations, man. We’re proud of you. Thanks for coming on during the season and talking with us... Two-time Super Bowl champ.” —Shannon [42:26]

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4. NBA Fines: Utah Jazz and Indiana Pacers for Tanking

• [52:28–61:18]
• The NBA fines the Utah Jazz ($500k) and Pacers ($100k) for resting key players, suspecting “conduct detrimental” and tanking for draft spots.
• Ochocinco keeps it real: “If I’m these teams, I’m going to take that little fine. Because look... you pick the right one, it’s going to put you ahead 15, 20 years.” [54:14]
• Dissection of Utah’s strategy—trying to keep their protected draft pick in a stacked draft, and the unfair shake for players forced to sit.
• Panel reminisces about historic draft luck (Spurs' Tim Duncan, Lakers' James Worthy), and how early NBA draft rules enabled dynasty-building.
• “As a player, you ain’t going out there point shaving. That’s why they have to sit those guys out, because if they don’t…” —Joe [55:51]

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5. Celtics’ Jaylen Brown: MVP Race & Social Media “Subliminals”

• [64:42–68:46]
• JB’s Instagram post comparing Celtics’ mid-season stats to last year sparks fan intrigue—was this a subtweet at Jayson Tatum?
• “He’s sending a message to everybody who counted them out to start the season... And honestly, Ocho, he’s in the MVP conversation.” —Ocho [65:49]
• Discussion of Celtics’ shocking survival atop the East despite blowing up the core (Horford, Holiday, Porzingis).
• Real talk about locker-room dynamics, roster upheaval, and the pressure of super-max contracts.

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6. NBA Trade/Signing News & Unsung Player Appreciation

• [68:28–71:57]
• Reaction to Jeremy Sochan’s buyout and signing with the Knicks; high praise for his motor/versatility.
• Quick love for Jose Alvarado (“the desperado, man, picking people’s pockets” —Joe [70:08]), Peyton Pritchard and TJ McConnell: “You look at Peyton Pritchard… people probably see him like, ‘Man, I cooked this white dude.’ Boy, that joker drop 50 on you.” [71:00]
• Side-note on summer league heroics.

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Additional Highlights & Humor

• “Sometimes it can backfire on you too... you look up, that man got 27 points. So it can backfire on you at times too, now.” —Ocho on underestimating injury-hit teams [13:43]
• Size doesn’t matter—Super Bowl ring size debate [46:19]
• Movie nostalgia: “Blue Chips” love (with Shaq and Penny) [61:06–62:14]
• Upcoming March Madness brackets banter and prospects rundown [62:27–64:38]
• Playful roast of Jaylen Brown’s new haircut leading to an MVP run [69:02]

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “People don’t factor in that the man is 41... when you’re great, this is the level of expectations...” —Shannon Sharpe [07:22]
• “That’s a tough battle, bro... when I hear about stories like this, bro, it was good to see that young man back out there, glad he pulled through.” —Ocho on Nikola Topic [25:12]
• “My father died from it at 39 … now, we do have the oldest one, Richard, is I think 91, 92. But—so I'm on the other side.” —Shannon [25:28]
• “They say this is what they say: 'Oh, you know, family is the most important.' ... Stop it.” —Shannon [42:15]
• “If I’m these teams, I’m going to take that little fine. You pick the right one, it’s going to put you ahead 15, 20 years.” —Ocho [54:14]
• “As a player, you ain’t going out there point shaving... That’s why they have to sit those guys out.” —Joe [55:51]
• “He’s sending a message to everybody who counted them out... he’s in the MVP conversation.” —Ocho on Jaylen Brown [65:49]

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Major Segment Timestamps

• LeBron’s Triple Double & Lakers/Mavs: 04:14–21:07
• Nikola Topic’s NBA Debut/Health Discussion: 23:46–30:25
• Ernest Jones IV Interview (Super Bowl Reflections): 30:28–43:49
• NBA “Tanking” Fines & Draft Strategy: 52:28–61:18
• Celtics' Jaylen Brown Post/Team Moves: 64:42–68:46
• NBA Transaction News & Player Appreciation: 68:28–71:57

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The Club Shay Shay Nightcap Vibe

The energy is lively, unfiltered, and heavy on authentic sports perspective. The trio blend deep knowledge, relatable metaphors, and plenty of locker-room tales. The episode reinforces the enduring themes of resilience, the realities of business decisions in pro sports, and the brotherhood found on and off the field/court.

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[Uncle Ocho]

What's happening was that Please make sure.

[Joe]

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[Uncle Ocho]

Man, he looked great tonight. Uncle Ocho, he got off to a great start, you know, that first quarter. He had 16 in the first quarter. Ocho. I said, oh yeah, he got it going. When he started hitting you with that.

[Joe]

Little walk after he score, he gonna look out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. You know what time it is. You know what time it is. So I knew he was gonna be in for a great night. And I think he understands the moment too, man. Knowing that, you know, Luka's out, yeah, he can go out there and get 25, 30 uncan ocho, but to be able to get 10 assists with that, I think he knows that's definitely needed for that team to keep other guys involved so they can just stay afloat until Luka get back. And I mean, it's the game to close out the All Star break, bro. He knew how important this was just to have that winning morale, you know, going into All Star break on a winning note, knowing that this second half of the season is going to make it break you right here.

[Joe]

12, 12 assists and 10 rebounds along with 28 points, 10 or 20 from the floor. He didn't shoot the three ball well, although he got off to a great start of shooting the three ball. He missed his last. I think he missed his last five attempts on the three ball, but I thought he played well. He knows like you said, Joe, he knows Lucas out and Austin Reeves is on a minutes restriction, so he had to play well. I thought Rui played really well. Also hit some big shots, they swung the ball light, some nice catching shoots, but he also was able to really put the ball on the floor. Now he'll get to put the ball on the floor and get to that mid range and pull up from there. But I thought they, overall, they played well. Look, the Mavericks are very undermanned. They've traded AD They. Cooper Flag is out with a midfoot spring. And so clearly they're. They're rebuilding. They're going to center everything around Cooper Flag moving forward. And they say, you know what, you know, they played hard. I mean, I wish we, I wish the Lakers could have kept Max Christie. I really like Max Christie. But hey, it is what it is. But this team right now, they're not going to really compete. They might as well, you know, don't do that. Don't do what Utah is doing and some of these other teams are doing, trying to tank, because this is a pretty solid draft coming up. Ocho, you see LeBron do what he does. And Joe, you know the problem, the thing is, is that when you've been great as LeBron has, people don't factor in that the man is 41. We just. Ocho, you know, this with Tom, this how it was with Tom. I don't care. He 42. I don't care. He's 43. He's Tom Brady. And I want to see 404 touchdowns and no interceptions. And when you. Great. This is the level of expectations that people have for you. It's kind of like your kids, no matter how old they get, I'm like, y' all 30, got kids of your own, and y' all still expect me to buy your Christmas gifts, right? Damn. Bang. So. But this was this. Look, Middleton. I mean, Joe, they don't. They don't have. They're gonna. This. I think this team Maverick is going to look very different next year. Yeah, I really do.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, they gonna look different. I mean, listen, we just. It's unfortunate, Uncle Ocho, because we never seen, you know, obviously what Nico Harrison was trying to put together there in Dallas, and that was Kyrie and Ad playing together. Obviously. Yeah. With Cooper Flag, you know, it's just without Kyrie, man, I'm gonna keep it real. Don't none of this work. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

You just, you just.

[Uncle Ocho]

You just need him at the helm, you know, controlling things. Obviously, him being the prolific scorer that he is, but they just. They miss so much, bro. It's just. Yes. It's a tough time now for Dallas, so I expected, you know, the Lakers to kind of blow this thing up tonight. Yeah, I.

[Joe]

When you look at. You look at Kyrie, he's a guy that can get his own shot. Yeah. He's a three level scorer. He's the best under six foot or however tall he is. He's the best finisher at his sides in NBA history. Nobody can fit him. Now, I'm not saying he is above the rim, but the English that he can put on the ball, right, left. And people don't realize Kyrie does everything with his left hand except shoot a basketball. With that being said, I mean, he's phenomenal. I mean, he can get the three ball off. We saw that in the NBA final when he hit the biggest shot of his career in the NBA Finals. We Know he can get to the mid range, and when it comes to putting the ball on the floor and patting the rock and finishing at the rim, he's second to none. He don't take a backseat to anybody, so he's special in that aspect. And I think him and Cooper flag in the pick and roll. I would have loved to see Cooper flag, AD and Kyrie, but unfortunately, we never got an opportunity to see that materialize. We didn't get a whole lot of opportunity to see Kyrie and AD because as soon as soon as he got there, he got hurt that growing, and then shortly after that, Kyrie ends up tearing his acl. So we never, like you said, Joe, what Nico probably envisioned for this team, it never got an opportunity to materialize because both of the guys that he was counting on ended up getting hurt. You want to say something now?

[Uncle Joe]

I was going to say I. I really enjoyed tonight's game. Obviously, the Lakers playing against a depleted. A depleted Mavs team. But it's also talked to the greatness of. Of. Of LeBron James that he doesn't get enough credit. A lot of people chastise him despite what he's accomplished throughout his career. Being in his 22nd, 22nd, or 23rd. Huh?

[Joe]

23Rd.

[Uncle Ocho]

23Rd.

[Uncle Joe]

Being in his 23rd year and seeing him evolve over the years and seeing how he played the night, obviously, Luca being out in LeBron whether. Whether he has to play on the ball or off the ball, and being able to do some of the things he did tonight, obviously setting the tone for the Lakers very early in the game, you know, and getting those shots and getting everybody else and getting everybody else going as. As the game went on, him being able to transition and playing on both ends of the court. I mean, it. It looked. Hell, he looked like LeBron that we're used to seeing. So it sucks for the Mavs and the situation that they're in, obviously with injuries, but seeing. Seeing the. See the Lakers stay afloat in the absence of Avluka. I mean, it's pretty cool, but again, they were playing a Mavs team that is depleted and they. They really not at full strength. Not. Not even close, for that matter.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, hey, look, we can't help it. They on the schedule. This is who they got playing. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. We ain't got nothing to do with that. Okay? Look, ain't nothing better than that. When you go into a team like, oh, yeah, they got about four, five people hurt. Oh, yeah, we got to get us a win tonight.

[Joe]

Hold on, Joe.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

So.

[Uncle Joe]

So even as a player knowing that their team is depleted the way it is, do you still count that as a win? Knowing that everybody's.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna kick you when you're down, man. Listen, we trying to get us done.

[Joe]

Broncos, they didn't have bo nicks, huh? You think the Patriots felt sorry for the Broncos? They didn't have bo nicks.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, sir. No, Exactly.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Okay. Just like the Steelers didn't feel sorry for y' all when Carson went down in the first. The first drive of the game, they didn't like. Oh, man, you know what, man? Hey, Carson out of the game, man. Come on, man. Hey, Cincinnati, they over there fist bumping like.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

No. Nobody else.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I mean, I understand, but, you know, I just.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, man. Hey, Ocho. When you see that on the schedule, you see. You see they depleted the way, like the Mavs are.

[Joe]

If you.

[Uncle Ocho]

The Lakers, you pencil this one, you.

[Uncle Joe]

Already got it checked off, huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I like, bro. Say, going into the break, you see how he came out? He came out with it on his mind. He wasn't on fire. Yeah, he got straight.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

With a team like that, you just make sure. You make sure you don't let off the gas and let them nip you.

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Joe]

Because that. That's the embarrassment. That's the frustrating point. You. Part. Part, excuse me, is that, you know, they're. They're nicked up, they're banged up, and then you take them lightly. No, you killing that with a sledgehammer. You make sure you do what you're supposed to do to those. That. That team. So, yeah, like, Joe say, hey, I. I don't feel no sorry. Hey, man, we have our best player, and y' all put somebody out there, right? So. Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all didn't have y'.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

All.

[Joe]

So he didn't get his ass tore up, but the mother left him, got their ass toe up.

[Uncle Ocho]

For sure. For sure. That's. Hey, look, that's what guys be thinking, man. When you go in the game, then you see the injury report or you see that this team big nicked up for a while. Oh, yeah, we got the Mals in tonight. Yeah, we gotta go and get them up out of here.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, it's not like. Well, Ocho. Ocho. Remember, he called somebody else at the beginning, is that they would literally try to get your best player out the game, which is the quarterback. Will we knock his ass out the game? We greatly increase our chances of winning. So.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I'm Saying, damn, man, I feel bad for y' all quarterback. I just said that, bro. I don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right. But look, in basketball, though, in basketball, Uncle Ocho, you know, sometimes it can backfire on you too. Cause they got guys that's playing and then they start having these out of body experiences. You like, hold on, he wasn't even on the scout report. That mean you look up, that man got 27 points. Yeah. So it can backfire on you at times too, now.

[Joe]

Yeah. I think the thing is, when you look at LeBron sometimes, Joe, that's a blessing and a curse, is that he get off to that hot start and then he'll fall in love with the three. Because you remember he hit that first three and then he came back down, he heat checked it and I was like, damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

In transition.

[Joe]

A blessing and a curse. Because he will. He would. Okay, I got to see if I got it tonight, so I gotta take at least one to two more.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

From about 28, 29, just to see if I'm still good. But the fact that he was getting everybody, that was getting people involved. He probably should have had a few more assists because Jackson Hayes let one go out of his bounds. He had a wide open dunk. Rui let one bounce off his knee. So he had a couple that he probably should have had about 14, 15 assists. But I thought overall they played, they played pretty well. Marcus Mark could not buy a basket tonight. He was 4:14.

[Uncle Ocho]

He couldn't, man.

[Joe]

One of nine from three. But he, but he would normally plays really well. I mean, his defense is what, what he's known for. He's the former defensive player of the year, but he just couldn't, he just couldn't make a shot tonight, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, he normally, you know what it is? Uncle Ocho, he normally a game changer. I know he's been starting lately, but normally when he comes off the bench, he, he's good at gauging what the game needs. Right. Like if they're down, he know how.

[Joe]

To muck it up a little bit.

[Uncle Ocho]

Make the game a little ugly and you know what I mean? Some way somehow try and you know, get the Lakers the momentum to kind of get things going. But he's been shooting the three ball well. I think tonight, you know, it was just one of these nights. One for nine from three. He just couldn't buy one. He finally made one that second half. But, man, listen, he a dude who can play on my team, man, any day. Ain. Oo you, you, you need feisty guys like that, bro, you need guys like that on your squad.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean he g. He's gonna make his on the ball. He's a defensive guy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Try to take some pressure off the guy. He normally tries to guard the best team's wing player hopefully. Normally if that' is not, you know, even though he tried to guard kd, I mean they don't have a whole lot of great defenders.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Right.

[Joe]

I mean when you really look at this team, the Lakers, they got smart and they got.

[Uncle Ocho]

Vando.

[Joe]

Vando, Pretty Vando. That's it. Jackson Hayes is, is a rim protector. He's not a great own ball defender. And you know, yeah, he can help weak sides. He's not a king, he's not Ben, Ben Wallace, he's not Mutombo. Guys like that that can defend their position. He's a great help defender. He got great leaping ability. But they really have two on ball defenders. They probably need another guy. Unfortunately, they weren't able to get one at the trade deadline, which makes it really. Because your three best players aren't defenders. LeBron can't defend anymore. He can defend for a, a possession or two, but to ask a 41 year old to still be able to defend at the level that he wants to in his 20s, you're asking a bit much. Hey, Luca, it just, it is what it is. He gonna give you 30 to 40, but his guy might have 25 to 30. Austin Reeves, he tries. But hey, it is what it is. And yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't even want to talk about da. I just, I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, listen, look, in basketball, man, if you cannot guard that first dribble, if you getting beat off the first dribble, the first move, we can't get help there fast enough because every play we gonna be in a hucklebuck, they gonna be penetrating the paint, kick out for three throwing lives. So we gonna have to pick our poison. That's when I see with the Lakers, bro, they getting beaten off the first dribble. You can't, can't do nothing about that.

[Joe]

The whole defense weakened.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it kills you. It breaks your whole defense down. Cause now you let penetration in the teeth of your defense and now you're exposed because you got layups, you got lobs, you got kick out for threes.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe and Unc, that's the same conversation we've been having over the years when it comes to the Lakers. Obviously. Yes, obviously having so much offensive power, but being a liability defensively.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, I mean at Some point it all come down. You got the hustle. You got to want to at least. Or pick and choose and pick and choose your times when to play goddamn defense. But if you always getting beat, especially off the goddamn first dribble. I mean, I don't care how many points you score, if the other team's scoring just as many.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you. Hey, look, that's why in the playoffs, Unc and Ocho, the Lakers don't need to see the Timberwolves or the Thunder. They don't need to see them type of teams. I don't know how. Like, you probably rather play against Denver, but you don't want. You don't want them teams that got them dudes that go off the bounce like that. It just can't. It's too much. Calls too much, bro. They give up too many points.

[Joe]

Even though the Lakers, if you look at their record in clutch time right now, Joe, they're probably one of your better teams in clutch time. Fight the game within five points, the last five minutes of the ball game. That's what clutch means. They're probably one of the better teams. But come post season, when you get beat off the dribble like that in clutch situation, guys are gonna get beat, get layups. They don't get wide open shots. And you can't defend because you want to make it as difficult as you possibly can. Well, if you can't guard anybody off the first dribble, and I got to come help now, I've weakened my defense.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And so that's the problem that they have, is that. Yeah. And like I said, the regular season is one thing. The postseason is something entirely, entirely different. So you have success in the regular season and think that carries over, but no teams we can. And that's what okc, they were great in the clutch situation.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Because their. Their game plan for OKC is to wear you down. Okay. Yeah. You may get a couple appetizing shots, but we want this tempo. And we know Ocho at the end of the game, under five minutes in crunch time, we know you gonna be dead leg out there, man. You ain't gonna be able to get too much. We gonna be still like we in the first quarter. You hear me? Yeah.

[Joe]

And when One of your three best players is LeBron at 41, played the second most game, the most minutes in NBA history, he can't get up and down like he once could. That's not Austin, Reeves and Luca. They're not Speed Merchants. So the one thing that you don't want to get into it with these teams is attract me. You're a distance runner and you trying to sprint. Nah, that ain't gonna work, bro. Hey, every once in a while you might have a guy. I mean, you had a guy that could run the mile or the half mile. He was on your mile relay. Yeah, but he was really, really special. That ain't what. The Lakers have got a lot of little distance runners, so when it comes to sprinting, they get last. Yeah, you just put them out there. Oh, to get some points. Hey, that's what, that's what I Coach. Coach. All you do. Hey, get out there. Coach. I ain't even ran. I ain't ran the 800 all year. Don't worry about it. You get last. But that's the point. What? What you mean you already know I'm gonna get laughed. But that's a point, right?

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[Malcolm Glau]

Slicing can be used for so many different things. We're here with our friends from CNN from Siemens Energy. The ways that it can be used, frankly, are limitless and are really, really built to think through. How can T Mobile understand the pain points that our customers have? Smash those pain points and help you deliver very specific outcomes.

[Joe]

Nicola. Nicola Topich made his NBA debut four months after battling testicular cancer. The Serbian guard was the 12th pick in the 2024 NBA Draft. He missed all of last season with a torn ACL he suffered before the draft, and then he received a testicular cancer diagnosis during the preseason. He had a procedure in October, then underwent chemo and worked his way back into shape. He entered Thursday night game against the Milwaukee Bucks late in the first quarter and received a loud ovation. That's really one of the blessings. Ocho and Joe, you guys know this is that playing a professional sports.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes.

[Joe]

Because when you go get the physical, they give you a better. They find out everything, every, every day, they find out if you got diabetes, they find if you got cancer, they find out if you have, you know, you know, certain, certain ailments that probably, probably a lot of times the general population, it goes undetected until it's too late. So congratulations to the young man that he got treated. I mean, he's had a, had a tough time of it. Tears his acl. He battles his way back from that. And then coming back into the preseason, oh, yeah, by the way, you have testicular cancer.

[Uncle Ocho]

I've seen that too, man. I seen him get in the game. I seen them give him standing ovation. I mean, that was dope to see. Uncle Ocho, I don't know about y', all, but you know, my mother passed away 2019 from cancer.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, you know, that's, that's a, you know, that's a tough battle, bro. I watched her take this Battle for probably over a decade. You know what I mean? Just going in and out of remission. But, you know, when I hear about stories like this, bro, it was good to see that young man back out there, glad he pulled through.

[Joe]

My father died from it at 39, from cancer. He had two brothers that barely made it. One of them didn't make it to 50, and the other one was 50. So me and my brother has outlived my dad and my uncles tenfold. Now we do have the oldest one, Richard is, I think 91, 92. But. So I'm on the other side, Joe. I go get a. Oh, yeah. I don't meant to deduct, but let me go. What I did. Document. Yeah, I get everything. Yeah, every. Yeah, well, you know, we don't think. Yeah, I think there's something you need to worry about. So go. Hey. Yeah, go. Hey. Go on and send me to a specialist. It's covered. Yeah. So, hey, they're like, well, you know, you. There's an abnormality going on. I said, what does that entail? They said, well, we can numb. We can numb your penis up and put a thing. I said, no, y' all can put me to sleep, but y' all still put that scope down there. Let me see what's going on.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, Uncle Joe, that's one thing about it. If it runs in your family, if it's hereditary, you know, and other people in the past, you got. You got to go get check. And even if it doesn't, you know, especially for us fellas, man, when you hit. When you hit a certain age, it's very important to continue to get those checkups, you know, to make sure you. To make sure you're okay, man, every six months. I mean. I mean, to a year, whatever. Whatever it may be or whatever a doctor sees fit for you, especially if it runs in your family, because it does. It does get passed down, you know. You know, through. Through the generations, especially if. If you had others or uncles and uncles and aunts that have. That. That have passed away from certain. Certain, you know, cancers. So, I mean, it sucks. It sucks the fact that. That we made so much. So much movement in. In certain areas when it comes to medicine and technology. But it doesn't seem we. We haven't been able to. To find a cure for some of these monsters.

[Joe]

Ain't no money in the cure. The money's in the treatment. If I cure you okay, how do I get more money from you if I cure you? Yeah, I need to treat you, so I Need you to bring your ass back.

[Uncle Joe]

Listen, I, I, I didn't want to say that part. You know, the funny thing about it, Joe, is, is funny, you know, is, is we can find a way to do everything else. We could. Hell, we can find a way to get to the goddamn moon. We have car, Joe, that can drive themselves without us. And when it, when it comes to some of the, some of, some of the simple formalities, when it comes to, to us as humans, I mean. What do you mean? We can't, we don't, we don't have. I mean, really.

[Joe]

Yeah, we do.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, you listen, we wiped out polio.

[Joe]

We wiped out smallpox.

[Uncle Joe]

Come on now. You know. I know.

[Joe]

Bubonic plague. If they really, if they really. But to, to your point, Ocho? Yeah. People that look like you, men that look like you, me, you and Joe. Because normally God had to come to the foot of the bed.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, you know, I saw God last night. Let me go, Let me go to the doctor.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

That was that, that was when we absolutely had to go. But we didn't have health care. And my grandfather and my, you know, before us, they didn't want to burden us with those bills. Yeah. So, but you know what? Hey, let me go ahead and get, Let, Let this go ahead and take. Because I, I, I can't leave my family in debt for forever and forever and forever. So it was a situation. No, they weren't going to the doctors, and considering they weren't trusting the doctors, like, like they, like, oh, no, I get sick of when I go to the doctor.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what it seemed like.

[Joe]

Yeah. Kind of keep waking your ass up every 10 minutes. I say, damn, if I can sleep, I might could get better and get the hell up out of here. But y' all keep waking me up. Mr. Sharp, you gotta check your blood. My blood is fine. It's boiling right now. I promise you. They talk about Mr. Shark, your blood pressure's up. Yeah. Cause y' all woke me up. Finally dozed off, So I'm trying to block that out. As soon as I get to sleep.

[Uncle Joe]

Mr. Shark, they wake you?

[Uncle Ocho]

Shark. Yeah, right, right. Hey, I know exactly what you mean, bro.

[Joe]

I swear, man. I was like, so. But I'm glad the young man. I'm glad the young man got it. It was, Got diagnosed, because I think early early detection is one of the best form of treatment.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

You catch it into the initial stages. Now they can treat it. They say nothing about you. I'm saying treat it and get you on the road to recovery. So congratulations to Nikolai. Topic yo made his NBA debut four months after battling testicular cancer. A year after he suffered a pre draft ACL tear, still was able to go with the 12th pick in the NBA. NBA draft in 2024 and he finally made his NBA debut.

[Uncle Ocho]

So congratulations say a lot, man. Yeah, that's, that's what's up.

[Joe]

All right guys, we got a very, very special guest joining us. You know he, he had a love of nightcap. He started to Seattle Seahawks parade yesterday. Y' all know him. E.J. the Fourth. Ernest Jones the Fourth. Congratulations, man. You. Hey, you say that I'll be back. Yeah, I'll be back. Yeah, you won all the sports making Terminators. You said I'll be back and you're gonna be carrying hardware with you. Congratulations.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

D.J.

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[Uncle Joe]

Smart.

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[Casual Commentator]

That sounds amazing.

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[Casual Commentator]

Oh, okay, I see where this is going.

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[Joe]

Hello, Malcolm Glau here. We're here in New York City with T Mobile for business recording another episode of Revisionist history about how 5G network slicing, strength, trust and connections across worldwide industries.

[Malcolm Glau]

Slicing can be used for so many different things. We're here with our friends from CNN from Siemens Energy. The ways that it can be used, frankly, are limitless and are really, really built to think through. How can T Mobile understand the pain points that our customers have? Smash those pain points and help you deliver very specific outcomes.

[Joe]

On the Rams when they won this thing actually in. In. In. In your own home stadium, Right? What is. Is there a difference? I mean, do you. Can you compare or contrast the two if you could? Yeah.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

I mean, the biggest thing, man, I won that one in LA my rookie year, so I thought it was sweet, man. I thought that's what you. I thought that's what you do every year, man. And then, you know, it took me, you know, three, four years to get back to this point and to do it with this group, man. The way we love each other, the way we. We fight for each other each and every day, man, it definitely was different because I, you know, I understand, you know, the struggle and how hard it takes to get back to that point.

[Joe]

Yeah. Ocho Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, look, you won a Super bowl, you know, with two different teams, bro. Tell me, tell us what's, like, what's the mindset and preparation that separates, you know, championship teams from, you know, I probably would say just regular teams.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

I think the biggest thing, I think, is the mindset. Like, man, we went into that game like, you know, we weren't gonna be denied. We were coming out of that game with something, and it had. It was something. We were coming out there with a win.

[Joe]

Right.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

And mentality on, you know, all sides of the ball was just that. And I think that's what separates, you know, the teams that, you know, get the job done versus those that, you know, don't make it all the way.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Ej, after watching that game and the way you guys dominated defense, obviously having a moniker for your defense now called the Dark side, that is Reminiscent of that of the Legion of Boom. Did you know you would dominate the game in this way and fashion the way you guys did?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, man. I mean, we, We. We. We were watching, you know, watching the film for, you know, two weeks, man. We like, man, ain't no way you give Mike McDonald two weeks. But not only that, we're watching the film and we, like, man, we've seen it all. What is this team gonna do against us? And you can tell from on film that we're a different group, but when we get in front of you, it's much different. It's real life at that point. So I knew we would come out there and dominate.

[Joe]

Ej, you must have been on laportier yesterday. Cause you all been the other day. Cause you feeling good, man, I like what?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Man, I wish I had some of that. I wish. Nah, man, that was a little bit of that done then.

[Joe]

But where you get that T shirt from?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

I had it made on the spot. I. I had. I had it. I had been seeing it online. Like, I seen the pictures of it floating around.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

And I'm like, man, I've been saying F you and I about my quarterback all year. So let me go ahead and get this shirt.

[Joe]

When you.

[Uncle Ocho]

When you. That's what's up.

[Joe]

You mentioned your first Super Bowl. You're a rookie. So you're coming in and you got Jay Rams, you got Aaron Donald, you got. You got veteran players, you got obj, you got Stafford, you. You got Von Miller, you got Leonard Floyd, you got veteran guys on that team. Now you're in a different role. You're a leader now. And so now guys are looking to you because even though you were a rookie on that team, they're looking to you. Okay, ej, what do we need to do? Okay, we win the championship game. What do we need to do between the time we win the championship game leading up to the. To the super. To the actual super bowl game?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Right?

[Joe]

So what type of advice were you able to give them, man?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Honestly, for me, you know, it was. It was a lot different being in LA because our super bowl was home. Everything we did, you know, was at home. Media day, you know, everything was at home. So I just told him, you know, get ready, enjoy the experience. But ultimately, man, when it comes down to when it's time for us to go, go to practice or go to meetings, man, let's be locked in. We came here ultimately to win, you know, win this game, win us the super bowl. And that's what we're going to do. So that's. That was mainly my advice.

[Uncle Joe]

What do you do now? You got the trophy, you got the ring. Coming off season is here. Obviously your off season is starting a little bit later than others that didn't make it to the playoffs. So what is. What does EJ do now that the season is over?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Man, I'm about to go get away. You know, me and my family, we love going to Hawaii, so we gonna get away here for a little bit.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

And then, you know, at some point, I get back in the lab and get ready to go, you know, do this thing again.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Are you from Georgia, ej?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, South Georgia.

[Joe]

What part?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Waycross, Georgia.

[Joe]

Oh, hello.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, See, Unc, that's what I'm saying. You didn't even. You just finding this out, man.

[Joe]

I didn't know you from way Cross.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, man, I'm right there.

[Joe]

We used to catch chickens over at Waycross and Baxley.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Baxley. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Hey, check this. Check this out. That ring, you guys kind of started that ginormous. One of those big. I'm talking about this thing this big around, right? You trying to. You trying to top that with. With the Seahawks?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Almost definitely. We got to. I'm hoping and praying they let me design thing, you know, let me, you know, get a few ideas out there, man.

[Joe]

The Seahawk, he might be a. A real. Instead of the head, he might be the whole sea Hulk. But on a more serious note, John Snyder smoke at. At the. The ceremony presentation about how you, Jake Bobo, Drew Lock and Charles Cross all lost your fathers this year. Right? Talk about that special kind of bond that you guys had going through. Loss, but still having the main focus because, you know, the football season doesn't stop. Even though there might be a loss or tragedy that. That someone in the family might have faced.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Man, it was definitely tough when we all had those conversations together. You know, I think I lost my father first, and then right around the time that I was losing mine, you know, Charles had started going through, you know, the complications with his. So it was tough, man, you know, speaking to him and, you know, not having all the answers myself because I'm still trying to deal with it. But we got a great support system there. That team, I tell you, they look out for you. They really, truly care about you. So it was easy when we came back to work because they knew that we were dealing with stuff. But they let us grieve. They let us have our moments. They let us come back and be around our boys and do this thing that we love. So it honestly made it easier being around the guys because it takes a.

[Joe]

Special type of compartmentalization because you realize, you know what, I am grieving, but I know my dad would want me, would want X, Y and Z. And I know the level of expectation because, you know, a lot of times sports is. Sports is not like a regular job, you know, regular job. They might give you bereavement time, you might be able to take a week or two.

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Joe]

That ain't how professional sports work. Now, maybe in baseball, I could just speak to football. So I don't want to get out of, you know, get out of character and say, well, I. This is how it is in basketball. I'm talking about football.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Right, Man.

[Joe]

Hey, basically you go to the. Hey. Oh, so you go into a funeral when you, when you think you'll be back, right?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes, for sure. And that's what I say, like for, you know, for most, most teams, and I can't speak for every team, but I know that they wouldn't be willing to let their start middle linebacker leave too much and miss that much of time during training camp and the things before. And they didn't stress me out about it at all. They let us do what we had to do. So I really appreciate them for that.

[Uncle Joe]

It's funny, especially when it comes to losing loved ones. I think teams understand that the owners, the GMs, obviously the head coaches, we've all dealt with loss. Sometimes it happens, happens during the season and in season. I lost my father. I lost my father when I was with the Patriots uncle. He, he, he passed away from pancreatic cancer as well. And they, they, they allowed me to, to, to, to do what I needed to do, to do what was necessary as far as funeral arrangements and going to a funeral and, and, and, and, and having, having to come back. And they understand that most of the time your brothers in that locker room, they understand what you're going through. So sometime it's somewhat good and you want to be back in that environment of your extended family, you know, to be around the fellas, to kind of get away from that. Because most of the time you go to go to work, especially after a tragedy like that, that, that's, that's your sense of peace.

[Joe]

No, definitely.

[Uncle Joe]

Being around your brothers, man, it may make you feel a lot better.

[Joe]

Oh, for sure, definitely. But the thing is, the best thing about that with you, A.J. is that you're a vested player. Because a lot of times I remember my great grandmother passed. I was afraid to ask. I was like, no, I ain't gonna even ask. I ain't gonna ask. Then when my grandma, my grandma, my dad's mom passed, we ended up like, we're gonna have to have this thing on a Monday, because if you don't have it on a Monday, I'm not gonna be able to make it. So, you know, fortunate enough, you, like you said, you're a vested player and, you know, they gave you that kind of time because they, like. Like I said, we understand that.

[Uncle Ocho]

This is.

[Joe]

They say this. This is what they say. Oh, you know, family is the most important.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Stop it.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah, it's football important, too.

[Joe]

Exactly, man. Ej, congratulations, man. We're proud of you. Thanks for coming on during the season and talking with us. OO and I at nightcap. Congratulations. Two time super bowl champ.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Now, hey, in the same Division 1 with the Rams, now with the Seahawks.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

That's it.

[Joe]

Been a linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks. Great defense. Had an unbelievable game. Before we get you out of here, what did you guys see on tape because y' all brought Spoon a lot more on the blitz. Normally is emo that would come on the blitz, but this time it was Spoon, and he was getting home because he timed it up perfect. What did you guys see that said, you know what that Coach Max said? You know what, Spoon, you got home.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

We gotta play them next year. Okay, but I will say this. I will say this. The. The way Coach Mike seen it is how it worked.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So in other words, they had a tail.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

They had a. They had a little tail and.

[Joe]

Okay.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

And we had to do what we had to do.

[Joe]

Yeah. Well, that's awesome, man. Well, congratulations, EJ Man. Enjoy. Hey, get with. Get away with your family for a couple of weeks. Hey.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

You know, it's either being the honey hunter than it is the hunted.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yeah. I love the hunt, though. We still go hunting.

[Joe]

That's what I'm talking about. All right, man, Congratulations. Enjoy your time off, and we'll see you down the road.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Thank y'.

[Uncle Joe]

All.

[Uncle Ocho]

Congrats.

[Joe]

Ernest Jones deport, Super bowl champ of the Seattle Seahawks.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Man.

[Uncle Joe]

That got to be a great feeling, Uncle Joe, man. You know, obviously you experience it. Just winning Super Bowls, man, just winning Super Bowls. Just being in the winning environment. That's. That got to be one of the greatest feelings. One of the greatest feelings I've never been able to experience. Sometimes I'm in awe of players when. When they. I don't want to call it luck, where you just have the Opportunities to be on certain teams where they're. They're structured the right way. We just have the opportunity to win. I think it's a great thing. And just. Just. Just seeing. Seeing. Seeing EJ Happy like that, man, being able to do it his rookie year, then come and do it again on. On a team like. Like. Like the Seahawks, man, with a great group like that, that. That's dope. That's really, really dope.

[Joe]

It is. It is, Ocho. It's unbelievable feeling. I mean, I can just imagine coming in as a rookie. I came in the Broncos after they had gotten their eyes beat out 55, 10 by the. By the. The 49ers, but winning that first super bowl. Look, and I was very fortunate, like you said, went back to.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

To the.

[Joe]

The Ravens in 2001 again. Yeah, but ain't nothing like that first one. Ain't nothing like it. Yeah, ain't nothing like it the second one, Ocho. No, I. I only think I go into the parade. I ain't go to the ceremony. Baltimore, same thing. It was.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's.

[Joe]

It's something about the first. Your first love, your first. You know, your first time. You know what I'm saying? Your first time, first.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Ain't nothing like it. I mean, and I was very fortunate that it meant so much to me. I gave my first ring to my brother because me, I was a part of the journey. And his career got cut short, like, two years after he. And a year after he ended up retiring, they go to the super bowl and win it, so. And he retired it, you know, his last year, Ocho, 18 touchdowns, 94 catches, and never played another snap. He was 29 years of age. So I was like, you know what, man? And I told him, I remember doing an interview with NBC. I said, bro, we went to Super. I'm gonna give you. You. I'm gonna give you the rain.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you know what I thought about, too?

[Joe]

What'd you think?

[Uncle Joe]

You see. You see. You see how the rings look? You know, when. During. When Jerry Rice played, obviously.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

How small the rings are?

[Joe]

Yeah, I do.

[Uncle Joe]

Do you think. Would it be possible for. For players to be able to upgrade those rings? Have him look, have. No, I'm just saying have them look like today's rings but still have the date, the dates from back then.

[Joe]

It will. It won't have. It. It won't have the same meaning.

[Uncle Joe]

Well, it don't look like no meaning when you compare the two any goddamn.

[Joe]

I mean, I. I guess I don't know, I guess you'd have to look at like a class ring or something like that. You know the rings, I mean, ain't nobody have no, no 15, 20 carat. I mean there are like a handful of people that had big diamond ring. Not everybody, everybody in NFL white got a big ass diamond ring for me.

[Uncle Joe]

You know what I mean? You know what I mean though, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, it's, I think what it, what it means, the size doesn't, doesn't add more meaning to it. I won the Super Bowl. They could have gave it to me at a cracker, a cracker jack box. I'm a Super Bowl. I'm Super Bowl 32, 33 champ. And I get it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm looking at my ring and I've seen guys like, God dang.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I, hey, did you see, you saw the Philadelphia Eagles ring last year?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, yeah.

[Joe]

Well, Jason of Beverly Hills, I got a couple of pieces from him. He has all the rings that he's basically designed. Yeah. Since then. Tampa and, and the Eagles. And, and, and the, the, the Rams. Yes, the, the, the Patriots. Not the Patriots. Yeah, the Chiefs.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Yes.

[Joe]

So he's kind of, I think he did the Chiefs, but I know he's done the Rams. I know he did the Eagles. He did someone else's too. And you're right, I mean, you look at you like God, Lee. Yeah, but the meaning behind it, right. Size don't even matter. I mean, you look at, look at, look at the packers on the first one. I'm like, damn, that look like a class ring. But when you see a world champ on the side.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I, I, yeah, I don't know. It's like an upgrade. I mean, hey, hey, Joe. Sometimes, you know, it's always good to upgrade things. Sometimes you upgrade things to make them look, look a little better. You know, as, as time evolved, you'd.

[Joe]

Have to get a whole new ring. You can't, you can't, you can't. That's it is what it is. That's not, that's not like a house that you could add on to.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

You'd have to get a whole new ring. I give an example, Ocho. It's kind of what we did with the, the hall of Fame rings.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes.

[Joe]

We had one company that was doing the rings and they were small and then I think K came in and they, they're, they're big now. Right, right. And so, and so they like gradually, Gradually. Gradually. And they just like ended up and Guys got. Got bigger rings, but I think also guys started wearing them on the index finger. They started wearing them on their middle fingers and they started putting them on their thumb.

[Uncle Joe]

We wear yours.

[Joe]

If I wear it, I wear it on my. On my right ring finger.

[Uncle Joe]

Right? I mean, if I. Hey, Joe, if. If so happened, if I was ever, ever able to win one, I. I would. I would have. I would have had mine. I'm a pinky.

[Joe]

Why.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why were you.

[Uncle Joe]

I mean, because, I mean, that's. I mean, I. I wear every. Everything on my pinky. I mean, they say that.

[Uncle Ocho]

They say that's like some pimp style.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't know about that, Joe. I don't live that lifestyle, Joe. I. I just.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now, I'm just asking. I'm saying when you wear them pinkering rings, they say they're like.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, no, no. It just. It just. It's always been me. It's always been me. I know I have. I have gargantuan.

[Joe]

No, you're gonna get on the Rick because you. You want it big. You already talking about the size of it ain't gonna be the same size with your pinky as it would on your middle finger.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that would look weird there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You weigh yours on your middle finger sometime?

[Joe]

No, no, no, no. It's. It's fit to my ring finger.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. Okay. This one?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Joe]

Yes. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, look, I know it feel. I'm sure it feels good to, you know, win a championship, win a Super bowl, but can you imagine making it that far and losing, bro?

[Joe]

No, I take that into the.

[Uncle Ocho]

You gotta take that into the summer. Like.

[Joe]

No, I. I can't imagine because I know I'm a sore loser, right? My whole family is a sore loser. My sister was all. My sister had a headache because she was so worried. She showed up and it seemed like there was so many Green Bay Packer fans, and she was so worried because they got the ball and go straight down the field. Oh, 80 yards for a touchdown. And she like, lord have mercy, here we go. So she was. She was a nervous wreck. I don't think my. My sisters. I don't think in the pros. I don't think she saw me lost it. Look, every game that she's come to, we've won. Yeah. But unfortunately, she didn't like coming to the games. But I suppose to get that one game, normally the first game of the year, if it was home, she would be to that. My sister say, if y' all go to the Super Bowl, I see y' all there. If not, that's it for me. Yeah, my. Now my mom would come because, you know, she would have to go get. Sometimes she would get the kids and bring them out. So that was right up her alley. But yeah, no, I couldn't. I can't. That. That to lose that game. And you see how Drake May was trying to find Sam Darnold and then everybody just like disappeared. They had done roped it off and the confetti falling and every. They ushered. Okay, move it, move it along, move it along.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, they got, hey, that got to be the worst feeling, man, when they, they scoot your the field like.

[Joe]

Yeah, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Joe]

Can you imagine how San Antonio felt in Game 6? They already got the court. They all done brought the champagne out and then Ray Allen hit that shot and now they got the guy. They pushed the champagne back in the locker room and. Sorry, I'm sorry.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, listen. And you get to see that as players though, because I'd have been in a few closeout games. And the one that I can really remember is when I was playing in Phoenix 2004, Uncle Ocho, we was playing against the Spurs. They was up on us. They was up on us 3:1 and we was playing. No, they was up on us 3:0 and we was playing at they house for game four. Soon as we come into the arena to go warm up. Uncle Ocho, I'm talking about, man, they got confetti stuff already pent up. They got champagne. I went in a room, it was shit. I said, oh man, they finna try to celebrate on our ass tonight and we can't. Look, I went back and tossed the. Hey man, I'm for ready to celebrate anyway. We end up winning the game, but man, yeah, when you see that, yeah, it'll make it. It'll make you lock in.

[Uncle Joe]

That's crazy.

[Joe]

Joe Ocho. The NBA fine Utah Jazz 500k for the what leagues call conduct detrimental to the league and Indiana pacer will find 100k for violating the league's player participation policy. In addition, Adam Silver said in an NBA news release that the league is seeking to implement further measures to root out this type of conduct. Overt behavior like this prioritizes draft position over winning, undermines the foundation of the NBA competition and will respond accordingly to any further actions that compromise the integrity of our games. Additionally, we are working with our competition commit competition committee and board of governors to implement further measures to root out this type of conduct. On February 7, the Jazz played Orlando Magic in Orlando. Laurie Marketed and Jaren Jackson had combined to score 49 points over the first three quarters, helping Utah to a 94.87 lead entering the fourth quarter. But the Jazz held out marketing and Jackson fellow starters Youssef Nurkic for the entire fourth quarter and they lost the game. 120. 117. Two nights later Jazz carried an 8582 lead over the Heat in the fourth quarter and once again marketing Jackson. Nurkic did not play in the final period, but Utah ended up beating Miami115.111. Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith responded to the five saying agree to disagree. Also we won the game in Miami and got fine. That makes no sense. The Jazz owe a protected first round pick of the 2026 draft.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, what the hell are they trying to do?

[Joe]

Joe, man, listen, let me tell y' all something.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let me tell y' all something. Uncle Ocho, I'm with, I'm with Adam on this as far as finding these teams. But if I'm these teams, I'm gonna take that little fine. Cause look, let me tell you, as talented as this draft class gonna be, it can put you, it can put you ahead 15, 20 years. Ocho, you, you get the right, you pick the right one, you know, it's, it's some, it's gonna be some stars in this draft class, bro. And if you got, I really believe even if you got a top five, top seven pick, you still gonna get great value, bro. It's deep. This is, this is this a, this is a good one. This is a good, this is a good draft class. I'm gonna take the fine too if I'm an NBA team. Yeah, I'm gonna take that fine too.

[Joe]

The problem that Utah have OO if their pick is 8 or down, they have to turn that pick over to okc. So they want to make, they want to try to get as many ping pong balls they possibly can to stay one through seven. So we get to kick cuz the last thing you want to have is a, a top 10 pick that's eight somewhere eight or below. And I be damn. We got to turn this thing over to. Yeah, they already got abundance of wealth and now we gotta.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that sucks. That sucks for the players that's playing, that's playing on his Jazz though, Joe. So it's, it's like I mean we, we going out here and I know management, they trying to tank. They taking us out the game, they taking away our minutes. Yeah, we, we out here, you know we got a job to do. And, yeah, that ain't part of our job, trying to worry about Will we drafting that.

[Uncle Ocho]

And hey, look, Ocho, you absolutely right.

[Joe]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

And as a player, you ain't gonna go out there point shaving. You trying to get to the money. Yeah. Cause look, you want your numbers to look good, too. At the end of the year when you try to go up there and negotiate your contract, I don't care. That's why they have to sit those guys out. Because if they don't, they don't.

[Joe]

They know. They know Lauren and jj they trying to win.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hold on. You messing up our draft pick. Yeah, right.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on, hold on. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. And like, how do the players feel about this? Knowing. Knowing what the team is doing, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Players go play, bro. Like, they may, like, obviously with those guys, they send them guys out in the fourth quarter. He probably already told him. But, man, ain't no guys going out there lollygagging. Ocho guys. Really? Cause they got. They got some nice pieces over there that's having pretty good. That's happening. Like, give you.

[Joe]

George, George, George ball. Yeah. They just gave up a boatload of picks to get Triple J. Yeah. You know, Cavaliers fired Ty Lou. Yeah. I'm trying to tank, Ty. Like, I ain't trying to take. I'm playing my guys. I'm playing my best player, bro.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe, I. I wouldn't be that type, you know, if. If I'm one of. If I'm one of the ballers on the Jazz. Honestly. I mean, knowing me and my mentality, I ain't. I don't care about what you're trying to draft. And you definitely ain't taking me out no game. And I'm definitely my time.

[Joe]

You get fired for conduct detrimental. See how that work? What? Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

They gonna. Hey, Ocho, you gonna find me.

[Uncle Joe]

Cause I don't want to come out the game.

[Joe]

Yes. That's contract detrimental to the team.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ocho. We ain't. We already. We already ain't won but, like, 16 games. Ain't like we gonna make no playing or no playoff. Like, we. We. We need more ping pong balls so we can try to get one of these phenoms that's coming out.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Out.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got you now. The team ain't gonna come out and say that, but we.

[Uncle Joe]

We know what time it is. Okay, I understand.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on, now.

[Joe]

Get lucky. Like the spurs, they get David Robinson. That. And then they get Tim Duncan.

[Uncle Joe]

Duncan, yeah.

[Joe]

Now they get wimpy.

[Uncle Ocho]

But look, how did they get Tim Duncan? That's Because David Robinson. Them had set out pretty much that year, got hurt. They won us. They was one of the weakest teams in the league, and they ended up getting the number one pick. And you get Tim Duncan and David Robinson together, now you got a dynasty.

[Joe]

That was the start of it. That was your lynch pin. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So.

[Uncle Ocho]

So that's all it takes, man.

[Uncle Joe]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

It take one more piece that Utah can add to that puzzle over there, and they could be one of the top teams in the west real quick.

[Joe]

And you got to get lucky. I mean, you look at the Lakers. The Lakers win the NBA championship, and guess what? To get the number one open, they get James Worthy. How the hell. Hold on, Kareem. We win the championship, and guess what? The number one overall pick. Pick, University of North Carolina, six foot eight, James Worthy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, how did that happen, though? Unk? That ain't never happened. How you win the championship and get the number one pick back.

[Joe]

You know, early on, Joe, this before your time, but you could draft. Like the Celtics drafted Larry Bird his junior year and kept his rights. So you could draft a player and still have his rights.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Wait.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm not. I'm not even gonna ask.

[Joe]

Oh, because it used. It used to be you drafted territorial, right? So you drafted a player that was in that. In that area.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joe]

So. But you could draft the. You could draft a player, draft the player, he go back to school, and you still maintained his rights. So that's what happened with the Celtics. And the Celtics did a good thing. They ended up trading Joe Barry Carroll. And guess what? They traded Joe Barry cow. They got Robert Paris, and, oh, lo and behold, Kevin McHale. So now you got a big three.

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

Four.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, they had a lot.

[Joe]

And you trade. You get Nate Archibald, you get Rene Archibald, and then guess what? You get DJ who had just won the finals. I think he was a Finals MVP with Seattle.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Dang.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, no. They. They had a whip. They had a whip. That Boston Celtic team was.

[Joe]

I mean, the rule. A lot of the rules back in the. See, like in the free throw, Joe used to get three to make two. You got three attempts to make two shots. There was a lot of like, damn. Just a. So you made. Hey, you made one. You missed one. Hey, he got one more free throw, But. And I agree with you, Joe, I see what the Jazz is doing.

[Uncle Ocho]

It doesn't.

[Joe]

It doesn't look good that you tank, but they gonna tank. Ain't nothing you could do.

[Uncle Ocho]

And now you gonna have. You're gonna just eat that fire. Cause look at the end of the day, if we get the number one pick or even a number two pick, Ocho, we back in business, baby. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hopefully those picks turn out. Joe, you. You say we got.

[Uncle Ocho]

We.

[Uncle Joe]

They got. You got a deep. You got a deep class this year, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Them top. I'm talking about for show them top four, five picks, they gonna be special.

[Joe]

Orlando got Shaq and then guess what? That's one of them. They got the next year. Chris Weber. They traded Chris Weber for Penny Hardaway.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

It work out. You get to. You get the right player, all it takes is one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's change your for.

[Uncle Ocho]

He just got. Yeah, that was a smart move. I wonder. I wonder why Orlando just didn't take Penny one. I think because Chris Weber was so.

[Joe]

He was so D. People don't realize how good. How good C Web was before he's in the EAs.

[Uncle Joe]

Knees gave out on man.

[Joe]

See, Web was a monster.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, coming out of college he was a. He was a beast oo in college. But coming. Coming into the league, you just.

[Joe]

You can't.

[Uncle Ocho]

You can't look. You can. You couldn't see him and Shaq on the same team and they're like. I couldn't really see that.

[Joe]

It was perfect because you remember leading up Penny and Shaq was in blue chips. You remember?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. That's one of my favorite basketball. Know nothing about blue chips.

[Uncle Joe]

I ain't see that Joe or not.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, man. Boy, that's a class we might take your black card behind. I'm sure you can go. I'm sure you can go see it on this.

[Joe]

It might be on Amazon or something like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, Amazon. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Matter of fact, you know what? I'm watch that tonight because, you know, I slept. I slept another four hours before we started. Yeah, I was knocked out.

[Joe]

Joe, you see up there we see right now the top 10 top 10 prospects is Darren Peterson, 66 guard, freshman guard out of Kentucky, Cameron Booze, a 69 freshman, AJ Debonza, a 69 freshman. Kingston Flemings, a 64 freshman, Caleb Williams, a 610 freshman. Keaton Wagler, a 66 freshman Michael Brown Jr. A 65 freshman. Nate Ahmed, a 610 freshman. LeBron Filon is a a 64 sophomore, and Braylon Mullins is a 66 Frenchman.

[Uncle Ocho]

They gotta have little Darius Auf in there. He leading the SEC and scoring and assists. Ain't no way he ain't.

[Joe]

He ranked 14, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he getting money over there as a freshman. OO he leading the SEC and scoring in assist, partner. You like that? Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, you know what? At my daughter's school, I. I think he. I think he tore his ACL last year. He was supposed to be, from what I. From what I heard, the number one pick.

[Joe]

What school he got.

[Uncle Joe]

He got the. Got the. You got the braids a little bit towards ACL last year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, I. I think I seen him. He playing now this year.

[Uncle Joe]

I think he's. I think he's playing. He was at Arizona State first, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, the big, big fella. Yeah. They ain't. I mean, Kentucky doing all right, but they ain't like having no. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Hey, and if Gil's son keep playing like this, he gonna throw his damn name in the hat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. See, the thing.

[Joe]

Is he tall? He likes Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he about 6. He about 6, 7. He about 6, 7. He got some nice link on him. But the thing is, for him, because he, you know, he kind of came off, you know, late. He's such a late bloomer to the party, but he'll go to, like, a good team and end up paying it out. He could play. He can get money. He can play. I watched him. He been getting to it out there.

[Joe]

Y.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, Peterson, it's a deep draft, man. Hey, March Madness gonna be fun, Uncle Ojo. We're gonna have to do brackets. I know I'm gonna beat y' all in that.

[Joe]

No, you ain't gonna do that, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, in brackets, we all fill out a bracket.

[Joe]

You're not gonna do that, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Nah, that's definitely not gonna happen, man, please.

[Joe]

Yeah, we definitely gonna do that. But you. Jalen Brown posted on IG 2425. The record was 39 and 16. They were the two seed going into the break. Now in 25, 26, they're 35 and 19. Two seed offensive rating. Defense, they were number four in offensive rating. Now they're number two in offensive rating. They were fifth in defensive rating. This time, they're ninth in rating, net rating. They were third this year. They're third.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, put them facts out there.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, can I ask you a question?

[Joe]

What he said? He said, hey, one person tweeted. Say, bro. Say he better than jt.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, now that we at the halfway point and it's all star break, is, what message is JB trying to send outside of we've seen he's improved. You know, he's playing extremely well, even with J.T. not being in. But is There a reason for doing this, or is he trying to send a message to the Celtics?

[Uncle Ocho]

No, he's sending a message to, I think the people. I think for everybody who counted them out to start the season, nobody had them coming out the East. Nobody had them in the top of the East. You know what I mean? And they've stayed afloat. And honestly, Ocho, he's in the MVP conversation, rightfully so. He's been balling, bro. He's been balling. But they've had other guys who stepped up. Peyton Pritchard as well.

[Joe]

Howser.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, right.

[Joe]

Hey. Yeah, the Celtics counted them out. They the one that sold all those pieces. They the one that let Al Health forfeit go. They traded Christopher Zingas. They traded Holiday. What you talking about? We the fan. No, y' all did that, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

They didn't think you were going to be as good as you are. But JB, like you said, is averaging 28 points a game. Peyton Pritchard has been Peyton Pritchard. Cole Hauser, though, they've had. Derrick White has played phenomenal. They've had guys to step up. It's surprising that the Boston Celtics, considering all that, JT went down and he was not expecting that. He may or may not come back this season. But when you get rid of Horford, when you get rid of Holiday, when you get rid of Pozingas, I don't think nobody thought they would be in the position that they're currently in. And he's just singing their praise. And I don't have a problem with him doing that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I don't either. I don't either.

[Joe]

But they. They.

[Uncle Ocho]

They've had other guys outside. The guys that UNC have mentioned, they've had other guys come off that bench.

[Joe]

Oh, Simon, Remember Simons was playing well before they traded him. He's on the expiring contract.

[Uncle Ocho]

He had a stretch. He was playing well. It's kind of like plug and play, guys. It's like a. A great system, and guys just kind of go out there and do their thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's been fun to watch. They've been competing.

[Joe]

He talk about the fan? No, no, no, no, no. The Boston Celtics, y', all. They didn't think y' all was gonna be that. Because if they thought y' all was gonna be that, they'd have kept them pieces, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

But J A, JB Letting the critics know. He letting everybody know who was like, oh, yeah, Boston ain't gonna do xyz. Yeah, he let Y' all know we ain't far off from where we was at last.

[Joe]

You got like we really in the same. Hey, so when you got two guys making 300 million, they damn sure better keep best. They wouldn't go out. They better stay afloat. I'll break this issue up.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, so they, they second and hey, look, I'm gonna say they second in each right now at the break, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

How far do you see him? How far do you see him going? Especially without, without matchups.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's match. I think it's matchups. Me, I think. I think because if you get the wrong matchup in the first round, it could be. Yeah. You come serious, you could be. It's some teams. Look, I know we talk a lot of crap and I don't know how long they can keep it up up, but the Hornets prior to the loss against the Pistons other night in the LeBron, they had. Man, the Hornets had won what they.

[Joe]

Won an 8, 9 in the road. Yeah, absolutely. Yep.

[Uncle Ocho]

If they end up, if they continue to keep playing. Well, let's say they do get in the play in and do get the seventh or the ac man, they can cause problem. They're a young team.

[Joe]

I think Toronto, all they need is confidence. Toronto.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, Toronto, them. Hey, them teams gain confidence, bro, it'd be hard to shut them off in the playoffs when they out there playing just having fun, not really understanding the moment. Just enjoying the game.

[Joe]

Since JB let that hair go, he ain't painted no more.

[Uncle Ocho]

He been, hey, off to the races.

[Joe]

Ain't a man, he free. I'm gonna get me a cough drop.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, JB look good out there, but I'm sure they gonna, they gonna try to give for this second half, make, make a, make a good run. But it's, it's, it's sitting top heavy in the East.

[Joe]

Former lottery pick all rookie team selection Jeremy Sohan has decided to sign with the New York Knicks. He would join the Knicks once he clears waivers. He reached a buyout agreement with the spurs on Wednesday, so hand had interest from 10 teams before deciding on the Knicks. Joe, how much did this signing help the Knicks?

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, I like him. I guess because the spurs so deep that, you know, they had to give up some Uncle Ocho. But he's a great guy, like a tweener who can guard multiple positions, plays with high energy. I like it. He gonna help the Knicks a lot. As you can see, the Knicks, you know, they done made some key change. A little Alvarado over there.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, the desperado, man. Picking people pockets.

[Uncle Joe]

Alvarado be balling, man.

[Joe]

Yeah, he does.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, I don't mean to change the subject. Alvarado, remind me the young dude, man. I. I can't. I think. Was he Puerto Rican player? He was short, but real high energy on both ends of the court, man. I think he played for the Mavs. Was it the Mavs?

[Joe]

Oh, you talking about J.J. barrera?

[Uncle Ocho]

J.J. barrel?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

What J.J. at? He don't play no more.

[Joe]

I think he coached still at the marriage, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know. Okay, okay, go ahead.

[Uncle Joe]

You can make your point now, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm. I'm not sure, but now Alvarado, he done. He had like 20. Yeah, like what? 25 the other night, Uncle Ocho. That's a. You know, Knicks trending in the right direction, man.

[Joe]

Sometimes you just need to go to a team and you get an opportunity. See, people say, oh, these guys, guy. I mean, in some of them. But when you that size and you make an NBA roster, you can play. Like, people look at Peyton Pritchard and people probably see him like, man, I cooked this white dude. Boy. That joker drop 50 on you?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Not for real. In the summer? Yeah. In the summer league.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

He will drop 50, 60 points on you. Yeah, man, that boy be out there getting money, man. That boy could play.

[Joe]

T.J. mcConnell is another one. You look at like, boy, I better cook, old boy. Boy. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe]

You know, doing all this on oo.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Hey, Joe. They had. They had to show me, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, they would, huh?

[E.J. Ernest Jones]

They.

[Uncle Joe]

They had to show me, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

They will have no problem with that.

[Joe]

No, he. You see what you call him? Peyton Pritchard get 30 in an NBA game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Ain't playing out there.

[Uncle Joe]

Oh, he nice.

[Joe]

Yeah.

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