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Shannon Sharpe (6:48)

Saw from I mean the fact that we see in the early Chiefs that we all used to love, we've seen the Chiefs that scored damn near 28, 30 points a game. You had receivers, it was by committee. You never knew who Knight was going to be. So obviously now when you play the Chiefs and you're going in and you and you're studying, you're going from game to game. You don't know who Knight is going to be tonight. It was Hollywood Brown last week it was, it might have been juju, it might have been Taquan Thordon, you know, so the fact that they're also being able to establish the run, to balance the offense out, to keep everything honest, especially defense, because you don't know what's coming, that's the great thing for the Chiefs. And the fact that Patrick Mahomes was playing so well, he played a clean game as well. Playing a clean game and then being able to play defense on the back end consistently against a great offense, a great creative offense that again, I'm sure that Dan Campbell is responsible for it is a really good game. Obviously the Chiefs defense and offense has been up and down, which is something, it's been some slippage, something that we talked about early in the season and where we thought they really weren't going to be the same, especially coming out the gate 0 and 2. And look, we in, we, we, we in week six, huh? We in week six. And yeah, everything looked completely different than the conversations we had just week. So I mean what they've been able to do in such a short amount of time and changing everything around to everybody dropping balls or they not playing defense like they used to. Well, we, we, we, we, we was talking about Chris Jones not, not hustling, not having effort, you know, on certain plays to looking like they did tonight is, is, is a, is, is unbelievable thing.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (8:28)

I think the thing is OO is that like you said, each week is a different receiver. LA tonight they really didn't use a whole lot of Twan Thorton. I didn't really see him on the field a whole lot. Ocho tonight it was all about juju. Travis Kelsey had his best game receiving of the year. Hollywood Brown. We mentioned Hollywood. Xavier Worthy doing Xavier Worthy, but he didn't get a whole lot of opportunities. I think if you go back and look, look at what they've done the past two weeks is that they've started off throwing the football in order to run the football. No. And they stayed in front of the sticks. This offense is predicated as long as we can stay and stay in third and short, third and manageable. Ocho. Now we can run it or we can throw it. If you go back and look if I see what they were on on third down, as long as they were manageable, they were good. Well, Camp city was only 4 10, but they knew. Even Dan Campbell knew. Normally at home when they're clicking, you got to get to 30. You can't beat this team. You can't beat this team in Arrowhead. If they're playing good football and you don't get to at least 30 or you need to take the ball away, you need to get a scooping score, you know, strip side, you need to get a tip, a camera, something. But if they play a clean game and they are on top of their game, you're going to have to meet fire with fire. And you saw early on both teams going forward on fourth down because they knew kicking field goals weren't going to win them the game. Look, last started Monday they threw the ball early, short stuff. Get the ball out of Mahomes hand. Let's try to slow this rush down. And now we can get back to running. And I thought they did a good job. I thought Andy did an unbelievable job of, of play calling tonight. Getting the ball out of my home quick and quick. And if you notice something Ocho and we've seen this, the trans. The. The transformation over the last three years. My homeboy ain't sitting back there patting the ball. He'll take off running. Absolutely.

Shannon Sharpe (10:23)

Absolutely.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (10:24)

The only thing I would say, my homeboy, sometimes you got to know when the journey over. Okay, now you keep dropping that should on people now I'm telling you now, people, hey, people go, hey. They go, they gonna drop. That's what I'm saying. Don't you. That's what I'm saying. And you know, quarterbacks don't do a whole lot of. A lot of shoulder work is banging. They not lifted so they don't got that, that, that meetup. They're like, like most guys have just be careful. But I like the way they played tonight. They did a great job. I really think the turning point of this ball game and it wasn't, you know, is that Amon Ross St. Brown has some of the best hands in football. But on that fourth down I think that was a turn because they had great, they had great rhythm, they had great momentum. And you know, because Ocho they was going. They were going to get at worst case field goal.

Diplo (11:14)

Absolutely.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (11:15)

Now you get nothing. Now you get nothing out of that. And Kansas City get the ball right out of the gate. But Detroit, Detroit didn't play bad. I mean when you play in Kansas City and they playing to the level of that they're playing tonight, they're going to be hard to beat. Now it doesn't matter if they're an arrowhead or they don't matter if they're coming to your building. That is still Patrick Mahomes.

Shannon Sharpe (11:35)

And obviously we saw what we saw tonight from the Chiefs is what we've seen consistently from the Lions. This is what we're the Lions consistently, week in and week by week in and week out. And it just happens to be one of those weeks where you're playing a team. Now you're playing the other 31 teams. It's not that many teams is going to come out there and put 30 on. You ain't. Ain't too many. You got. You got the Chiefs, you got maybe the packers, you got maybe the Bucks that have the offense. Yeah, they have the offense to be able to kind of points, you putting up where you get, where you have to meet fire with fire. We have to take certain chances in certain situations because, you know, field goals is not going to get it done because this team can score at will, you know, throughout the majority of the game. So, I mean, when you have games like this, you want to be as perfect as possible. And. And the team that makes the fewest mistakes, whether it be drops, whether it be interception, whether it be turnovers, whatever it may be, the team that makes the fewest mistakes normally comes out on top. And that's what we saw tonight.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (12:35)

I like that. I mean, there weren't a whole lot of penalties. The Chiefs had no penalties. The lions only had four for 38 yards. So this was a barely clean game. The refs let them play, which we like to see. Ocho, we like when refs let them play. But we got to stop this notion. Every time the Chiefs win, it's the refs. You don't win that many game. Ain't no way you can get. You can get Travis Kelce, mom, you can get his dad, you can get Taylor Swift, you can get a lot of people. Ain't no way you winning just because of the officials. And I get it. It happens all the time. They used to say the same thing with the Patriots. Used to say this. And that's what happens when you win a lot. People have to have a reason, well, why they win it. Instead of like, you know, they got good players, they. They got a good system, they got a good scheme, they got great coaching. We have to have a reason why instead of just looking at the product and looking at the players, see what. What has happened over the last years is that people like, well, they're catching up to Patrick Mahomes. Well, you're measuring Patrick against this. You're measuring everybody else at their best, but you're measuring him at his worst. So you telling me if Patrick Mahone plays his best and another and Every other quarterback plays their best. You take that quarterback over my homeboy? Absolutely not. If every quarterback. All 32 quarterbacks, and everybody's healthy, if they played their absolute best and Patrick Mahomes plays his absolute best, you're not taking another quarterback that's currently playing in the NFL over Patrick Mahomes. That's how good he's being. I mean, think about it. He's been in the starter for eight years, and he's never. He doesn't know what it's like not to be in an AFC championship game. In five of those years, he's been in the Super Bowl. So when you look at it like that. And I get it some. Ocho, we get tired, man. Let's. How many times, Ocho, have you heard, let somebody else win? How many times you heard that, Ocho? I'm tired of it. Let somebody else win. It don't work like that. When I put that kind of time in, you gonna have to beat me. Cause I'm just not gonna stop winning. Even when you were a kid, Ocho, I ain't finna let you win. No, you got to beat me. I'm not gonna let you win. I. Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with the Lions. I really don't. I think their offense is really good. The. They missed some, missed a few opportunities, had a couple of drops, but I thought they did really well. They didn't get. I think they only got. Gave up one sack tonight. They were not as clean as they normally are. Over two on fourth down. That's not the Lions. The Lions are normally three or four on fourth downs, you know. Cause they're gonna go for it. They're gonna put pressure on you. You know, when you play the Lions, you got to score points.

Shannon Sharpe (15:05)

Absolutely.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (15:06)

Because every. Every possession that they have is really four downs. And you don't know. Now, you like to think, like, damn, okay, four down. But they might fake punch it, fake p. Fake Pun it. And you see the play they call. But see, what he didn't realize is that the quarterback starts up on the center, he has to go get. So he has to come to a complete stop.

Shannon Sharpe (15:27)

You know, I was confused on that call as well, because most of the time I'm thinking, well, wait a minute now. I see the Dolphins, the other team, do the same thing all the time. Tyreek could come in motion, and he never comes to a complete stop. The ball just snaps. But I didn't.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (15:39)

But he didn't start.

Shannon Sharpe (15:41)

I knew that. I know. I didn't know that little kle right there. So that.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (15:46)

It'S a. It's a lot. It's a lot of little nuances. It's just like if two people moving at the same time once, you're going to have to. Both guys are going to have to come to a complete stop or you're going to have two guys in motion. And that's what they got illegal. You got illegal motion. But I think, look, this was a great game tonight. Obviously, I would like to see it a little closer. I was hoping Detroit could score, maybe get an onside kick, make it really, really interesting. But give Kansas City, when they needed to bow their backs, they both their backs. And that's what you want from a great team. When it's all said and done. Kansas City's gonna be there in the end. Yeah. They get Rasheed Rice back this week.

Shannon Sharpe (16:26)

He sure is coming. He show is coming back. And the funny thing about it is, not only is he coming back, but as well as they played so far without him, each week they've gotten better and better. And like I said, it's by committee. You don't know which receiver is going to have his day. I don't like the fact that Taekwondo Taekwond Thornton has such a intricate part of the offense. All these. All of a sudden tonight, you know, they know the package of whatever plays they might have had for him, it just wasn't the same. I hate. I hate when they play that game.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (16:58)

I hate that, too, because he's played so well and he's gaining confidence, and the last thing I want to do is to do something to suppress his confidence because he's looking around like, what did I do this week? I mean, why was I not. Because he scored a touchdown damn near every week he's played Ocho and he's played extremely well. Big catch after big catch, big play after big play. So it's very, very unfortunate. Hopefully. Excuse me. They get into a situation where they get him where he can come back around and make play for him again.

Shannon Sharpe (17:27)

Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (17:27)

Oh, Joe, the game that you witnessed, I told you what was gonna happen.

Shannon Sharpe (17:33)

One thing about it. The one thing about. Please, please don't do that. Please don't do that. Yup. Don't do that. Because it didn't. It didn't look as good as you did. It looked like a woman with no makeup. That's the. That's for the game. It wasn't pretty. It wasn't. It looked like a woman with no makeup. It's nothing it was an ugly contest.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (17:49)

And y' all still lost. You know what I'm saying? It was an ugly contest and you lost, okay? And I told you what was gonna happen. I told you. I told you what's gonna happen. I said, ocho, they're gonna be, they're gonna be on Justin Fields like lions on a wildebeest. I said, you watch when I take.

Shannon Sharpe (18:04)

Did you see that? You was right. You're right. Did you see his stat line at the end of the game?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (18:09)

I saw his stat line. Finna go over his stat line. He was 9 of 17 for 45 passing yards. When you take away the sack yards, he was minus 10 yards passing. That is the. That's the fewest pass yards in jets history. That's the fewest allowed by a team since 1998. So it's been 27 years since somebody has had a worse passing line than what Justin Fields had today. They sacked him nine times for -55 yards. They had 82 yards. Let. Let Chad. In an NFL game, a team had 82 yards of total offense in a 60 minute NFL game. They were 2 of 15 on third down, 57 yards of total offense. No, me take that back. They had 82 yards of total offense, nine sacks, 15 hits, seven tackles for losses, four passes defended, minus 10 net passing yards. This is a. And I tweeted Ocho, this is a new low even for the Jets. 82 total yards, 82 effing yards in an NFL game. 2 of 15 on third downs and allowed nine sacks. This is the worst offensive performance I've seen in a while. Not sure if it can be fixed. This was awful. And it was. Oo it Oo I don't think I'm breaking news. I'mma be honest with Oo I don't know how well Justin Fields processes information.

Shannon Sharpe (19:41)

I don't think so.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:42)

He freezes. He freezes. There were a couple of times. Oo, he's got to take the flat right now.

Shannon Sharpe (19:49)

Oh, he's waiting on something else develop.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (19:51)

He does? Yes. I don't. I don't know what it is. Ooh, he's got to get out. This isn't college. In the NFL you must throw people open. Guys are not. Yes. Sometimes they'll blow a coverage and you and the guy's wide open, you can throw it to him. But nine, eight and a half times out of 10, you've got to throw guys open in this league, guys are just. The guys are too good. And I just don't know. And I'm Watching him, Ocho, and he freezes a lot of time. It's like. I'm like, bro. And I don't know. I don't know. And we blame the Chicago. And we said it was Eber flutes and we Pittsburgh. Well, he didn't get a chance. Now he has a chance. And I don't know what it is, but I just know this. He's not processing the information as fast as he needs to. And to be great at that position, you must process information extremely fast because Ocho is happening. It's 1, 2, 3. Hey, you skate one.

Diplo (20:55)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (20:56)

You gotta get out of there. Most definitely. Especially with. With them not really blocking well for him being sacked nine times a day. See, from your point of view, so you're able to have better context on why it looked the way it did. You know, sitting in the suite and watching, you know, live in person is a little different. You just see everything happening fast in person. Don't know why it's happening because there's no replay. There's nothing. There's nothing you can watch back.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (21:19)

That's why I don't like watching games in the stadium. Because you look for the replay. Because I want to see.

Shannon Sharpe (21:23)

Yeah. So I'm. I really couldn't understand. I didn't know what is. I didn't. I didn't know it was as bad as it was. Once I saw the stat lines at the end of the game, I saw him obviously running for his life. I saw there. There wasn't much they were able to do offensively. You know, I talked. I talked to A.G. i talked to A.G. before the game. I was like, listen, congratulations on everything you're doing. You know, let's hope. I hope you guys turn this thing around and getting. The boys are playing and, hey, I guess it's just. This just wasn't the week. Not playing against that goddamn Broncos defense. And listen, you said. You said what they was going to do, and they went out there and did everything you said it was going to do. And it. It's almost like. It's almost like the jets don't even look like an NFL team damn near.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (22:09)

At times. They really don't. I'm like, did y' all practice? Ain't no way you practice either. Either one or two things you're not practicing, or you're practicing to be just this bad. Because normally people practice to be good. You got to practice doing what they're doing. This is. This is bad. And I hate it for AG Because I know AG Personally, I know him. Well, he's a really good dude, but he could not have gotten off to the worst start because these guys, for whatever reason, whatever they're coaching, is not resonating. It's not getting through to them.

Bobby Bones (22:44)

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together, Diplo?

Diplo (22:57)

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell. And I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do, and I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house. I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of, like got a scratch, and then he handled it on his own on the road.

Bailey Zimmerman (23:22)

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like, randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I. I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

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Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (26:42)

Garrett Wilson was asked on the site, asked about his. His sideline exchange with Aaron Glenn Ocho. Let's take. Yes, let's take a listen to what he had to say at the end of the first half when you were walking off the field. Was that the way the driver went?

Shannon Sharpe (27:00)

Really like, you know, that stuff like that is just. I don't know, y', all, y'. All. I just didn't know exactly what the plan was. And. And once I figured it out, you know, I was disappointed. I'll just say that. So. Yeah.

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Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (27:17)

Is that what you meant?

Shannon Sharpe (27:18)

Yeah, I didn't know exactly like what the plan was. I Just. I just thought we were. Once we, you know, converted the fourth down, I just thought we were going for the, you know, trying to make the play. And then obviously, we get to another fourth down, and it's a tough spot to be in. So, you know, in hindsight, I get.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (27:35)

Why they did that.

Shannon Sharpe (27:36)

But in the moment, I was just like, man, I don't know. Yeah, he. He's speaking. He's speaking specifics, huh? He's speaking Pacifics, you know?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (27:45)

Yes. I don't know. I didn't know what they was doing. I was like, y' all just gonna let the time run out. Ain't nobody. You're not gonna want to play.

Shannon Sharpe (27:51)

You're not gonna even think about clock management as well. And I'm like, well, why the heck. Why are they letting the clock go all the way down? Let's. Let's try to do something. Let's. Let's do something. But obviously, you know, he's frustrated. He's frustrated.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (28:03)

Yeah, he should be. The guy was. Hold up. The guy had been. He was offensive rookie of the year with some Barry Marginal quarterback, and allegedly, supposedly, they had supposed to have gotten better quarterbacks, but his stats aren't indicative of that, so he's frustrated by that. Second of all, when you do what they did, it tells me you don't trust your quarterback.

Shannon Sharpe (28:30)

Yeah. Oh, you don't.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (28:32)

That's the only reason you would do something like that? Because we've seen other teams with other quarterbacks with that same amount of time try to run plays, and if we got time, we're gonna call, we're gonna use our timeouts or we're gonna help the guys, hope the guys can get out of bounds. But when you just let that amount of time just run off the clock, no way in hell. You cannot convince me that you the quarterback.

Shannon Sharpe (28:55)

You don't, because that's the only reason you do a time like that. We can't put our team. We can't put our quarterback, because in decision making, it's not where it needs to be debate. Be able to put him in situations that might not be advantageous for him because he might make the wrong decision with the ball. We can't trust him.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (29:13)

To make matters worse, Wilson suffered an injury to one of his knee ligaments, and he'll have an MRI upon returning to New Jersey. Ocho, look. And when he did, and he was late with the ball, he was all over the place. He had him on the out, and he throws it behind him. He had another guy. He had. He Would have had the first down and, you know, he ends up hurting his back. And so the. On fourth down, they don't even have Garrett Wilson in the ball game.

Shannon Sharpe (29:39)

I'm like, whatever could go wrong went wrong today for them.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (29:44)

It went wrong with oo. Even the best defense attorney will instruct you at some point in time. We don't have a winnable case.

Colin Coward (30:01)

At.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (30:01)

Some point in time, and it's coming sooner rather than later. Hey, I don't know. I don't, I don't know how much further I can stick my neck out for Justin Fields. Hey, I don't know, Ocho. I don't know.

Shannon Sharpe (30:17)

And in order to have a chance in this league, it's 32 teams. In order to have a chance. I don't care who's coaching. I don't care what you have on offensive line. I don't care what you have at receiver. I don't care what you have on defense. In order to have a chance in today's era of football, you got to have a quarterback. He doesn't have to be the fastest. You don't have to have the best arm. He just has to be consistent in his decision making. He has to have exquisite anticipatory skills and being able to play this play, the position, being able to process information in front of him and being able to do exactly what you ask of him to make sure that offense goes. Whatever that may be. Whatever it may be. I thought, I thought this would be good for Justin Fields, especially with the signs that he showed with the Steelers last year and to a winning record until Russell Wilson was given a job by Mike Tomlin. I'm like, you know what? If Justin Fields gets his own team, I think he's going to be okay because he showed flashes of brilliance and what he could do when he's quarterback number one. Now you quarterback number one, you ain't got nobody to worry about. You don't have nobody looking over your shoulder. So you can actually play free. You can, you can play.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (31:30)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (31:30)

Based on the play call and some of the things that, that they were doing, it's like they don't even trust in the quarterback that they have because they're not. The play calling isn't free. We have to protect our quarterback from himself. So you know what? We going to the half, we're gonna let the clock run out because we don't, we don't even want to put him in the situation. We have to make certain decisions because it can go wrong.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (31:55)

You're right. It's it's bad. It's bad. And I know. And AG's like, wants to show support, but I don't know how much longer that. Because at the end of the day, ocho, you got 50 other guys in that locker room now. And I understand the loyalty that you want to have for your quarterback and you want to show support, but you'll lose the locker room supporting one as opposed to the other guys because they'll look like. And they know. Oo. You've been in locker rooms for a long time. I've been in locker rooms. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (32:27)

And.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:28)

And maybe Tyrod, maybe it's time to. Hey, maybe you give it a couple of more games. You like? Well, hey, Justin, I'm sorry. We're gonna have to let. Let. Let Tyrod have a go at this.

Shannon Sharpe (32:35)

See. See if. See if he can get some things going.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (32:40)

Cause this is. This. This doesn't. This does. This is. This is terrible. Now, look, the Broncos defense is really, really good. That front seven. Oh, they get out the quarterback, and if you think about it, they're rotational the A. Bonito and Cooper, they'll go a series, and then the next, they got a whole different set of lineup and they. Hey, they got that. They got a. They got a NASCAR package that they just keep rotating them and they keep coming. They collapse you from the outside, and then you got big Allen collapse in the middle. So. And they're going to run you into somebody. If you run wide coupe got you. If you run to the other side, Bonito got you. You try to step up in the pocket. You got Allen collapse in the pocket. So they're really good. Don't get me wrong now, that's not a slouch. Defense and pass attained is legit. He is legit. He is, hands down, the best football.

Shannon Sharpe (33:27)

Absolutely.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (33:28)

And he is smooth, man. He is so smooth. The way he can transition. And he's long. Hey, his arm like this long. And so he doesn't have to be that close to do this or to do this.

Shannon Sharpe (33:41)

Yeah, he's. He's really good. We. We exchange.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (33:43)

He's. He's so fluid. I mean, for some. To someone to be as tall as he is and to be as fluid through the hips as he is, because, bro, he backpedal and get out of there in a hurry. And he can whip his hips and go. But Ocho being raised on a farm. I was in 4H, went to county fairs, went to a goat show, a cow show, and I seen this, and I've been to the circus I ain't never seen no issue like what I saw with the Jesterday.

Shannon Sharpe (34:14)

You done been around a lot of football, too. You ain't seen nothing like you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:17)

I have. But today, this. Today I'm talking about, like, look, and I've been on. I'm like, damn. I'm trying to think. I think maybe one other time that I've actually been around and I saw it. Hell, I was a part of it.

Shannon Sharpe (34:33)

It had to be the ratings.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (34:34)

I think you got to go back to 92. And the Eagles. The Eagles beat us. I think they beat us 30 to nothing. I don't know if we had 50 yards of total offense. Yeah, no, the Eagles. No, I was with the Broncos. Yeah, but that. That was so. That was what, 33 years ago. And you got to think about it, Ocho, they said the last time somebody had that fewer yards in a passing game, that was 98. That was 27 years ago. So you talking about almost three decades. This doesn't happen often. So people, I don't want you to think that. Oh, man, that could. No, this does not happen often, especially in today's game when it's catered for the quarterback and the receivers because you can't punish the quarterback and it's hard for you to touch the receivers. So with that being said, to get a performance like what they got today, oo, 82 yards of total offense.

Shannon Sharpe (35:26)

Listen, that's a testament to how good that defense actually is. Even with them being handicapped because of the rules. That's just how good they are.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (35:35)

And how bad the opposing team was that, too.

Shannon Sharpe (35:38)

Hey, listen, two things can be true. And you. And you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (35:42)

They absolutely can be true. But I don't. I don't know where the jets go. I do know. I do know they take their ass home and he. You know, it's a long. That's a long ass flight to take an ass whipping. You so even watch.

Shannon Sharpe (35:56)

Do you even watch film or do you. Do you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (35:58)

Hell, no, I ain't showing that.

Shannon Sharpe (36:00)

Yeah, I was gonna say I'm putting.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (36:03)

That where they put Jimmy Hoffa. Where the hell. Whoever the hell that is. I'm burying that tape. Ain't nobody gonna see that.

Shannon Sharpe (36:09)

Oh.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (36:12)

As a matter of fact, I'm gonna sue NFL Films if they show it. You better be glad that they got like. Remember they used to have Inside the NFL? Oh, they have the third. The Thursday night. They have the game where you thought. Yeah. And they show highlights from the game. Nah, don't y' all show that. Don't y' all show it a D thing. But, but this was. This was bad. This was bad. And, and, and you can loot, you can lose. You can lose a locker room also.

Shannon Sharpe (36:39)

There's one thing about losing the locker room and a coach having to make a very tough decision, you know, for a quarterback, for a quarterback that you. You consider your number one, a quarterback that, that that's been paid. Is the backup. Is the backup the answer? Because once. Once you make a move in the middle of a season like this, we're only in week six. Once you make a move like this, you're making a move.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (37:01)

I think they give him a couple more weeks, Ocho. But if they don't turn this thing around, I can see a situation, Ocho, if we. Owens, we owing a 0 and 9. 0 and 10. So what we try to. I mean, what are we trying to do? Because I already know a team and another team that's in the Midwest that's trying to get the number one pick. That's Cleveland, and we'll talk about them in a minute. So are the jets trying to get the number one pick? Because if you try to get number.

Shannon Sharpe (37:22)

One pick, I see where you're going.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (37:24)

Cause that quarterback that you bring in there, Tyrod, is going to try to win games. I'm just telling you, and I'm not saying Justin Fields isn't. So you should just tell. Just tell me what to do. Because here's the thing. These other guys in the locker room, they don't care that you're trying to build for the future. I ain't trying to get my head split right now while you building for the future. Damn your future. My future is right now. Because I might not even be here when we get good.

Shannon Sharpe (37:47)

Yeah. Which is true. Which is true. And they're gonna be some heads rolling now. There's gonna be some attitudes. They're gonna be some frustrations, especially from five. You know, Garrett Wilson ain't gonna go for that. Garrett was not gonna go for that. You. You paid me like the receiver that I am. Please use me as such. Please use me as such.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (38:11)

Ocho. Last week, Rico Dodell ran for over 200 yards. He knew the Cowboy was on the schedule. They asked him, he said, tell him to buckle up.

Shannon Sharpe (38:22)

Up.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (38:23)

They didn't buckle up. The Cowboys beat the Panthers. Excuse me? The Panthers beat the Cowboys by the score of 30 to 27. Another game in which the Cowboys defense were exposed. Brian Schottenheimer stood up for his defensive coordinator, Matt Eberflus. The Cowboys allowed 216 rushing yards, a season high, led by former Cowboy Rico dollar, who had 183 yards on 30 carries. It marked the fourth time the Cowboys had have allowed at least 144 yards rushing this season. It's also the fourth time this season the Cowboys have allowed at least 30 points. It was also the fourth game they have recorded one or fewer sacks. Now I remember Ocho because you know Michael, Michael couldn't stop the run and you know Dak is indispensable and Dak is playing well.

Bobby Bones (39:13)

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together?

Diplo (39:25)

Diplo well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them, and I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that could carry it and I came to his house, I had a few show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.

Bailey Zimmerman (39:52)

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

Bobby Bones (40:03)

You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcast. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade Hybrid this October.

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Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (43:13)

But Dak is under the same situation that your quarterback was under last year because his defense is so putrid if he punts the ball when he gets it back, if he had a lead, they're either going to be tied or they're going to be closer than they were when he punted the ball because his defense can't stop anybody. That defense is atrocious. Now, they keep blaming. I don't know what it is. They fired Mike Nolan. They said it was Mike Nolan. Now, some of those players were still there when Mike Nolan was there. They had Zim. It was him. He wasn't no good. They got Mike Eber flutes. So they've had three or four different coordinators, and a lot of those same players that were there are still there. Now, I want to know, Ojo, at some point in time, we got to start holding you players accountable because we quick to play board that coach, that coordinator, that, this, that, that.

Shannon Sharpe (44:04)

It's the coaches. It's a scheme, but it's never. It's never the players. Which is why I'm tired of hearing that. I'm trying to hear. I'm tired of hearing that, especially out of the five, one three all the time. But we'll get to that game in a minute. But I said this before the season started, huh? People laughed at me when I said my surprise team. I had two. I had two. One of them was the Bears and the other one was the Carolina Panthers. I told him, I want you to watch out for the Panthers. I want to want. You want to watch out for Bryce Young. Watch out for the defense and watch out for the. I mean, watch out for the receivers and what are they doing? You saw what they did to the Panthers. I mean, excuse me, you saw what they did to the Atlanta Falcons not long ago. You saw what he did today. Young Bull. Young Bull. Do. I don't want to. I don't want to butcher his last name. Running back do. How you say it the right way. Hey, hey.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:06)

People say daddy, but I think they say. I think it's. I've heard it both ways. I don't listen to the broadcast. So chat. Y' all have to. Have to tell me how to say it. Ash, on the broadcast, how do they say it? Do they say daddy or they say Doddle?

Shannon Sharpe (45:27)

You know, people don't play by their last name now.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:30)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (45:31)

Hey, but listen, boy, he. He was on a mission. He was on a mission.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (45:36)

It wasn't. It wasn't nothing cute about him today. You know Rico. Yo, Rico Suave. You know Rico. Supposed to be cute. What? Nothing cute about Rico today. He told y' all this. Ocho. This man called his shot. This man said he was gonna do.

Shannon Sharpe (45:50)

He was gonna. You know how you do. You know how difficult that is to call your shot in the middle of the week before the game and tell people to buckle up and then actually go out there and do exactly what you're gonna do. Which is the reason why you said you need to buckle up on the ground. Catching in the air, man, man, Dowdale was all over the place.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (46:13)

Yeah, but I thought that, but I was like, hey, they say daddy, hey. But oo. At some point, at some point, Jerry has to understand his defense is built. They're undersized. When you have an undersized defense, what does that mean? Ocho, you're built to play with a lead because you want to eliminate the run game. Because you're 14, 17 points up, they're not going to run it. Now you use those underside guys to stream up to scream up field. Okay? What happens when you got to sit your light ass in there and catch? They ain't got, they ain't got nobody. Jerry, I'm very disappointed in you because everybody, you, you were yakking. You win a game, you yakking. You had a tie ball game and they couldn't get him out the podium. Hell, they thought it was a, A ring. Masters. Hey, hurry, hurry. Step right up now, Carolina, don't put foots in your butt. Now you, Jared, didn't speak to the media because. Oh, no, absolutely not. Yeah, exactly. Front running.

Shannon Sharpe (47:31)

Now let.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (47:31)

Oh, hold up. You remember a couple, you remember what was it last week? And then. Oh, you remember that on you. You see what I'm talking about? Now look at it. Everything that went wrong. Well, you know, Michael wasn't good against the run, okay, Michael gone. What's your problem now? Well, we didn't go that far when we had Michael, okay, How far you gonna go without him now? Because you're two, three and one.

Shannon Sharpe (48:02)

Hey, listen, if they, if they're gonna have a shot. Now, I know we didn't get to it yet, but offensively we'll get to that in a minute. But boy, that boy Dak, well, he earning every bit of that 60. He Earning every bit of that 60 or whatever it is.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:18)

Empty calories, Ocho. Empty calories. If you go, if you say, you know what? If you say, man, you know what? I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna eat healthy, bro. You go eat Twinkies and Ho Hoes. All the meals is empty calories. They don't do nothing for you. They said it's all you're craving, but they add absolutely no nutritional. That's what those stats.

Shannon Sharpe (48:37)

You gotta understand. Listen, I'm doing my job. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. This is a team game, right?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:43)

So I. Yeah, you supposed to win.

Shannon Sharpe (48:45)

Yeah, that, that too. But to give. I need y' all to stop something over here. I need you to stop some over here.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:54)

I will say to his credit, though, Ocho, he hasn't turned.

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Shannon Sharpe (48:57)

He playing clean. He playing.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (48:59)

So I, I will conceit. But. But it's hard because he knows he has to be perfect because my team not gonna stop anybody right now. Right? Hey, right now we can't stop a parked car. We already. So all you know that going into the ball game. I already know what I'm up against, man. That's secondary. Look, you can't stop what a parked car. I don't know if Diggs. I don't know if Diggs is still hurt. He still, he not the same. Diggs don't even look the same to me. I know Dig Diggs better than this. I don't know if that injury, if he's 100% recovery because I know he's, you know, you know, they find him 500,000 because he wasn't around or whatever's going on, but he does look. He was always a cluer. He was always a guesser. And, and, and look now he got in. He got incredible hands. He gets his hands on the ball. He coming down.

Shannon Sharpe (50:01)

Most of the times when he does guess what he guessing the right way because he know what's coming because.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:07)

He.

Shannon Sharpe (50:07)

He didn't look the. He didn't look the same today.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (50:11)

He ain't look the same in a while. He ain't look the same in a while. And, and the defense and because look, they got those guys, those. And like I said, teams just going to run the ball. And now when you run the ball, you're gonna have to drop the safety down. And now you don't really have no help over the top at all. I mean, if they ran the ball 38 times for 216. Think about you dead last in total yards. You like 24th in rush yards allowed. You probably dead last. The points. Where are they in points allowed? Because they gave up 40 to the Packers. They gave up 30 today. They gave up what, 24. They probably average giving up 24. They're close to the bottom. They. They 28 through 32.

Shannon Sharpe (50:55)

Don't be nobody should be surprised if you. If you're in the chat tonight. I'm sure you're a faithful fan. You've been and you've been watching for a very long time. I told you before the season started, I told you about them Panthers. Everybody laughed at me. Outside of Panthers fans, everybody laughed at me.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:12)

Oh.

Shannon Sharpe (51:12)

Oh, man, they sorry. They this, they that. I told you, you know, and I kept. Now I'm remind you again. Hey, keep pounding.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:22)

All right, but see, here's the problem that I have. You see, at some point in time now, you're gonna have to. Like when you get the ball, you're gonna have to keep putting points on the board. You can't be content when you gotta lead. They punt the ball. You gotta go get points again because you know, that was an anomaly, that your defense stopped them. What's the likelihood your defense gonna pitch a shut out the second half?

Shannon Sharpe (51:49)

Not happening.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (51:52)

They gave up. They gave up seven. They gave up 10 points in the fourth quarter more times than not. Yeah, they scored three in the fourth quarter. So they scored 10 and they gave up 17.

Shannon Sharpe (52:03)

Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:05)

Bryce Young, 17 to 20, 17 to 25. A buck 99, three touchdowns, one pick, sack one time for five yards, 38 carries, 216 yards. George Pickens playing his ass off.

Shannon Sharpe (52:22)

Well, you see. Wait, remember we talked about. Remember I told you you weren't gonna handle issues out of my atta, bro. I told you that. Not that conversation. George. I know you're gonna see this, boy. I love you, but I love you. I told you. It's okay. It's okay.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:38)

This is. This is why Your team is 2, 3 and 1. The Cowboys dead last in total D, dead last in past D, dead last in third down percentage, second to the worst points allowed, averaging 30.7 points a game.

Shannon Sharpe (52:53)

Wait, offensively, I'm. I'm sure they look high. They way higher than that.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (52:59)

Yeah, you ain't overcoming that.

Shannon Sharpe (53:01)

You can't because you, you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:03)

Because. Think about what you got to think about, Ocho, in order for you to have. They give it up 30.7. So in that order for you to be winning, that means you got to score 30.8 a game.

Shannon Sharpe (53:14)

That's very difficult, very different.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (53:21)

They got the second best offense, Ocho. Fourth in points. They're fourth in points, 29.7. So you give up one more. Yeah, Ocho. See, man, we were close. All I need to do is score one more point to you, and that's what they average. Guess What? They score 29.7. They give up 30.7. So guess what? If you score 29, I score 30. Who wins?

Shannon Sharpe (53:43)

You know, that. That situation right there, to give people a better perspective, to give people better context. It sounds like another team. When my Quarterback is healthy. We go through that same issue because we scoring 30 a game when everybody is healthy. Shoot other teams scoring 32. We score 40, they score 50. You can't win for Lou.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:06)

Yeah, well, you saw it last year. Y' all scored 38. Y' all lose 41, 38, y' all score 35, they scored 38.

Shannon Sharpe (54:15)

Well, Jerry said. Michael was the problem.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:18)

Jerry said. Well, Jerry didn't say. Jerry. Jerry didn't say anything today. I want to know. See front running now, see all that. You all out the window. And the owner's box, you all out. Oh, he just having a good time. We have, you know, the Cowboy fans, we travel. The Cowboy fair. We just having a good old time. I ain't see, hey, this all. This is what you saw up there. This what you saw today.

Shannon Sharpe (54:44)

Oo and, and the.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (54:46)

Funny. You like the sk school kids when it's raining outside and you ain't got.

Shannon Sharpe (54:51)

No refill, you got to sit there and look out the window. You know, something like this. How do you fix. How do you fix that, though? This is just not a one player issue. Defensively, this is not a one issue.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:04)

Well, you gotta get. You got to get better players. You gotta get better players.

Shannon Sharpe (55:09)

The NFL, you build your.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:11)

It is hard to get them now because you got what you got, but you have a team. You have a. A team that's built on playing with the lead. Well, if you can't get the lead, Ocho, you can't just turn them loose. Because if you just run your ass up the field, they're gonna just run where you were left. So you. You catch it. They too small. They got. They ain't got no bricks in the back pocket. You can't drop anchor with them little light ass guys they got up there, man. They got guys back pocket shaking hands. They so small.

Shannon Sharpe (55:41)

As a matter of fact, you know what? I'm thinking about it, if I was Jerry. Now listen, I'm. I'm putting my owner's hat on. I'm putting my owner's hat. I need to get someone anchor that front. Someone that I could build around and he could be that centerpiece for me.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (55:56)

Jerry don't care about winning. Ocho. We've been. We've been determined that the Ocho.

Shannon Sharpe (56:01)

I'm just hypothetically talking. Hey, Chad, tell me what you think right now. Tennessee Titans. I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons to anchor my defense and build from that point, Bill, from there out, build from the inside out to start over. What you think I'm Going to get you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:19)

Well, George Pickens gonna want a lot of money. George Pickens gonna want at least he.

Shannon Sharpe (56:23)

Gonna get DK money, because. Let me show you. Let me see what's. Let me show you what's gonna happen or what can happen with CD Lamb, who's considered the top five quarter. I'm quarterback, who's considered a top five receiver. When we talk about receiving. When he goes out. Let me show you what I can do. I can pick up right where he left. If I get the opportunities that I deserve that I should have got when I was in, you know where. I'm not gonna bring. I'm not gonna bring them up. Yeah, but I can do the same thing.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:49)

I can put up number two.

Shannon Sharpe (56:50)

I can take you deep, or I can take a slant to the house. Man, stop playing. This is what I do.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (56:56)

Hey, if he get his hands on the ball and he face your ass up, good luck getting that neck, getting his ass on the ground.

Shannon Sharpe (57:05)

It is a rap. He.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (57:09)

He reminds you of a smaller version of to. You remember how to ran angry. If Tio got the ball in his hands and he faced you up, you, not you right here in front of him. Not getting him on the ground. You better hope like, hey, I'm gonna. Hey, come on. Which way you go? I'm gonna try to hold it. Come on, man. Damn. I can't hold him here forever. You pray. Help come. What the hell, man? And that's how y'. All. That's what they have to do with Pick. If he get the ball in his hands and he turns around and square your ass up.

Shannon Sharpe (57:44)

And then. And you know, it's funny. He's faster than he look because ain't nobody catching him from behind.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (57:50)

He played fast. He might not be. He might have. I don't even know what he ran. He might have ran 4.4ocho. But there's. There are guys that might not run fast, but play fast. That's Jerry. Jerry didn't run fast, but he played fast. Emmett didn't run fast, but he played fast. He has what they call functional speed. He has football speed. You get him out there to test. But, boy, man, that.

Shannon Sharpe (58:22)

Listen, I told you before the season started. You did.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (58:26)

I am. I'm glad because I'm like, bro, you got two man. Make this money, bro. You got. You got an opportunity to make $200 million to set your family up for generations and generations. I mean, there might be a George Pickens IV to say my great, great granddad put me and put me and Put this family in position, bro. Don't waste that day. Don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't mess up your money with some foolishness. The best thing to happen. He needed to get out of Pittsburgh. He needed a change of scenery. And sometimes that's what, that's what it takes, Ocho. Sometimes it takes a change of scenery. Sometimes it takes somebody, him or her, to get into a new relationship in order for them to be their very best.

Shannon Sharpe (59:08)

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm glad for him. But again, I know, I know.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:13)

I'm happy.

Shannon Sharpe (59:14)

But the Cowboys, I know it wasn't.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (59:17)

Reality, but Jerry don't care about winning. Ocho. We've decided this. You and I, we talked about this for years. Jerry cared more about money.

Shannon Sharpe (59:23)

Yeah, we, we, we understand that, too. But I, I'm thinking from a defensive perspective with them being dead last in every category and every statistic and every metric and every standard when it comes to football. Week six, November's coming up deadline. You never know. If you were to make some, Some type of hasty move, I would love to see them. It probably won't happen. I'm just thinking as I'm putting my gym hat on, I'm going to get Jeffrey Simmons, you know, quality top three defensive tackle in the NFL, right, right now, to this day. Boom. I'm putting you right there. And I'm a build around you. I'm a. I'm a build around you. Yeah, that's just me. Chat. What y' all think? Chad and I know y'.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:07)

All, they line. Their linebackers aren't very good, Ocho. The linebackers, not very good. They ain't nothing. They ain't got no plug. I mean, look, Sam Williams, they got guys try to rush off the edge, but I'm talking about like, Like a mic back. Hold on.

Shannon Sharpe (60:22)

Understand? Let me tell you something. You might not like what they have right now because with, with that backer had that mic back it had in front of them. It's lighting ass now. What happened? If you go get that big 98 from goddamn over there in Tennessee and you get to be. You get, you get it. You get to be able to run free.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:38)

Why I want to get. Why I want to give him up to you. What you gonna give me, huh? One of the first round picks that you got from the Packers.

Shannon Sharpe (60:46)

Maybe we can. Hey, listen, if I, if we. Jerry, we can negotiate.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (60:52)

But Jerry. But Jerry don't like that, Ocho. He don't. He don't want to give up. He likes Jerry likes to develop players. So Jerry. Jerry. Jerry has gotten burned in free agency. And so he's like, he's done with it. He's. He's done with it. He's not gonna. He's gonna get guys that he go get the Jadavian Clowney and, And, And, And Clowny had. But Clowny, he. He not gonna. He's not gonna move them. He's not gonna move the needle.

Shannon Sharpe (61:16)

He's not the Clowny of old.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (61:18)

No, no, no, no. And we had that discussion. We don't think he ever lived up to what we thought he was going to be. He was in the draft with Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack turned out to be the better player. That's what. What. What. What he. What Khalil Mack is. That's what we thought Jadavian Clowney was going to be based on what we saw in college. You probably got to go back to it in Dominican sue to find a guy that raved hell. Now the dominated like Jadavian Clowney did his sophomore year. His junior year, he was just trying not to get hurt. So he didn't play like he did his sophomore year. But go back and look at Indomin sue last year, he was like, okay, that's the best player in the country. Now, I. I forget who won the Heisman Trophy that year. Sam, I think with the Sam Bradford. Sam Bradford 1. That was the end. Dominican sue was the best player in the country that year. That's what we thought Jadavian Cloudy was going to be. But we'll see what Jerry's going to do right now. I mean, it would have been. I've been lovely to hear from him, but unfortunately, we did not hear from him. O Joe. But a team that we did hear from today, Aaron Rodgers. As the Steelers continued their home dominance over the Browns. By the score of 23 nine. Steelers seemingly Ocho on cruise control. They're four and one in the division. Cleveland, one in five. Baltimore, one in five. I think one in five. Cincinnati has lost, what, four straight? So now they're two and four. Pittsburgh division to lose.

Shannon Sharpe (63:01)

Absolutely.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (63:02)

And.

Shannon Sharpe (63:02)

And honestly, I don't see. I don't see him losing it. And I can say, yeah, I can say this as. As much as I love my Bengals, I don't see him losing it now. I saw some, Some. Some. Something nice. We'll talk about later when we get to the Bengals, but goddamn Aaron Rogers got them boys playing on all cylinders, especially on offense. Playing on all cylinders. As good as that defense is over. In Pittsburgh with the names that they do have, once they start gelling and playing that good football the right way that. No, we know the way we know they can play, they gonna be fine. As long as Aaron Rodgers is playing like Aaron Rodgers is playing that they always gonna be in contention and they're going to be hard to beat. Forget right now. You talk about week six. I'm talking about when real football starts after Thanksgiving, getting into the postseason when it's cold and you got to go over there. It ain't called Hines Field no more.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (63:56)

I think it is.

Shannon Sharpe (63:57)

When you got to take your. Well, you ain't gonna be able to throw the ball 50 times a game, you're gonna have to put it on the ground. And you got Cam Hayward, you got goddamn TJ walk coming off that goddamn end. And damn, I forgot young bull name. Was it Smith? 56. 56. Oh, man, stop playing, man. The back end really ain't got no weakness. Now.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (64:23)

I know Ocho is called Acrosure Stadium. Not no longer Hines Field, Akrishur Stadium, Aquasure.

Shannon Sharpe (64:33)

And I mean no disrespect to Accurate Shore. I like to say Hines Field because that's why I played that. That resonate.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (64:40)

I played it. I played the highest field and I played the Three Rivers. The old Three Rivers had the carpet.

Shannon Sharpe (64:45)

It had the carpet. Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (64:47)

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. And the stadium is. Stadium would be bouncing. I mean, you. I mean you could literally see it. It's bouncing up and down. It started rocking. The Browns offense failed to eclipse 17 points for the 11th straight game. Dylan Gabriel, 29 of 52, 221 yards, six sacks, six times. How do you. So you mean to tell me your guy. You gonna let your guy in the second start, you gonna let him throw the ball 52 times against that defense on the road?

Shannon Sharpe (65:22)

Hard to run on the Steelers, huh? It's hard. It's hard to run on the Steelers. So the other. The only other viable option is. Is you gotta throw it. And when you think about Dylan Gabriel, when you watch him in the games where he's had success, anything outside. Inside the numbers, inside the hashes. He's really good. Nothing. Nothing really long, you know, sometimes you get some. Some short digs. Some. Some digs.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:44)

Yeah. If you know that, guess who else knows that. That he's good inside the numbers on short stuff. Yeah, exactly.

Shannon Sharpe (65:52)

Yeah.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (65:53)

That's what thank. Oh, yeah. Think about it. You threw the ball 52 times and you only had 221 yards. Hey, you missed 23 attempts, bro. Cleveland, if y' all trying to get the number one pick, just say that.

Shannon Sharpe (66:11)

Whoa. No, they're not. No, no, no. They. They want the number one pick. For what? To get what? Quarterback? Because ain't nothing we don't see no Saturday that's willing to wait for.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:22)

Absolutely not.

Shannon Sharpe (66:23)

No, they.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:24)

I guess they want that. That. That pass rushing number six from Miami and pair him with Miles Garrett. I don't know, maybe trade it for some more players.

Shannon Sharpe (66:33)

I like you. I. I see where you're going. I like. I like what you think. I like what you're putting up.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (66:37)

Hey, Miles Garrett said losing the same way is frustrating. Miles, this what you signed up for. You took the money. I got no problem with that. Oh, I have no problem with that. But Miles Garrett knew they were not going to win. They really haven't won since he been there. They've gotten worse, so you can't say it gets old. When you took the money, you said you wanted a chance to win. They dangled $40 million per year, gave you 100 plus 105, 110 million fully guaranteed. You took the money, so now you can't complain because you knew what made you trust them, that they were going to be able to do something in one to two years they haven't been able to do in your tenure since you've been there.

Shannon Sharpe (67:25)

You talking, but you know, you know that wasn't it. You. You know. You know, you know why. There was no guaranteed money left. So I got.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (67:32)

I know. That's what I said. Look, he ain't got no guaranteed money. He won't guarantee money. He gonna say I won't out. When really he won't guarantee money. I get that, Ocho. I get it. I do. And Chad, I don't want y' all to think I don't understand, but don't complain. When you said. You said you wanted a chance to win, you said you wanted to compete. You knew, with the exception of that one year, you guys haven't been able to compete. And you trust this organization to put build. To build pieces around you and do the right thing by getting a quarterback. You trusted them.

Shannon Sharpe (68:08)

They already. They have a bad history at that specific position, the one position you need to be able to compete to be able to contend that the identity for the Cleveland Browns has always been their defense. It always has been.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:26)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (68:26)

The hard part has been finding quarterback that is good. Not great, just good enough to consistently not only keep you in games, but win games when you're in certain situations. Especially games that are close, you just haven't. You can go through string, a string of maybe four weeks, five weeks of really good. I'm talking about consistently throughout a season.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:50)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (68:51)

Especially when it matters most. You haven't been able to find that.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (68:57)

No, I don't. And I'm. And I'm supposed to trust you that you're going to find that. But. But what he's finding out, Ocho, is that money really can't buy happiness. When you are competitor and you want to win and to go out there and beat. Yeah. Guess what? That direct deposit is going to hit every Monday. Or if you get paid on the 1st and 15th, that deposit is going to hit. But them losses, they hurt. I guarantee you when you out there taking that L, I, I have number one time, like, man, that check gonna be in my. That check gonna be. No, I'm going to get my check. So I ain't. I just got direct deposit in 2016. But anyway, I never thought that, hey, I'm gonna go upstairs tomorrow and get that paycheck.

Shannon Sharpe (69:36)

We don't think like that. We don't?

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (69:38)

No, we don't. When the L started to add up, Ocho, I've been lose. Lost six games in a row. Seven games in a row. Man, please. You out there practicing and then guess what? Guess what's about to happen. Ocho, tell them what's gonna happen in Cleveland. That temperature about to drop, it gonna get cold. And guess what? You get cold now. You out there practicing in the 20 degrees, and then come Sunday, you practice, you playing in 20 degrees, 15, 10, and you catch an ale after ale after l after L. And we. Yeah, Ocho. Dylan Gabriel completed four passes over 10 yards in the air today. He threw the ball 52 times, but Kevin Stefanski kept him in the game for the entirety.

Shannon Sharpe (70:24)

I just told you. They, they don't. They don't. You see how they protect Justin Fields when it would. When they're going to the end of the half because of the decision making, we don't know what he gonna do with the ball. So how do you hide the quarterback weaknesses? Whatever weaknesses he may have that we can't see. Now, you and I know he can't throw outside the numbers. He can't be on the left hash and throw an ATR comeback on the right side.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (70:51)

Oh, hell no.

Shannon Sharpe (70:53)

Not the type of quarterback.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (70:54)

It will come back the other way for a touchdown.

Shannon Sharpe (70:57)

That's the same. You have the call plays that are predicated to his strengths. His strengths are throwing intermediate and short routes. So therefore, you call plays based on what he's able to do extremely well. Now, that's no knock on him. That's no knock on him. So what we ask of you, that's all what we're asking you based on what you can do well for us offensively, that's what we're going to do because that's what you provide for us as a quarterback. Now, that limits your playbook. It limits what you call for sure. Limits some of the things you like to do as opposed to other quarterbacks that have the arm strength or, or the other. Or the prowess to be able to open up the playbook and do. And do more. That's what you have to do. So, I mean, I, I didn't, I didn't want to say it like that. I thought everyone else could see that and understood that, especially when you watch him play. Some of the, some of the players of the call now, some, some frustrations might. Might arise with, with maybe. Maybe Jerry Judy.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (71:57)

Jerry Judah had 13 targets, called five passes. Fanning Jr. Had 10 targets, caught seven, and Joku has six, called three. Damn, Ocho, I had more DK. Four catches, man. He had a go ball and Roger and the wind caught it, bro. It brought it back. I mean, he was like, he was like five yards in front of the rap.

Shannon Sharpe (72:24)

Hold on, wait. He. He caught, he caught one deep ball on that, that stuff.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (72:28)

He caught a deep ball. That was later, but he ended up. But he had one that have been a. That was a short enough touchdown and Rogers put it up and I guess the, the wind caught it because Rogers, he turned around and looked up like, damn. I ain't know. I ain't know. It was like, like that. But I, I. Ocho, I just, I don't, I don't know what Cleveland's doing. I don't know if they're trying to get. If they're trying to get the number one pick because you're gonna have to fight the jets out there.

Shannon Sharpe (72:57)

This is, this is no knock and chat, y' all know, because y' all watch college football. There is nothing out there that is glaring where it's like, where teams are clamoring for those who are in. In situations like the Browns or, or let's say like the Cowboy defensively, where. You know what? We got to have him. We got to have him.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:19)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (73:19)

So we're going to do what's necessary to make sure we're in position to be able to get him. It's nobody like that right now.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:26)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (73:26)

There's nobody popping out on film. It might be some offensive tackle or some defensive tackles that we don't know about. But the skill position, the quarterbacks.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:34)

Oh, they need to go get that Cowboys. They need to trade the two draft picks they got this year. And to go up there and get that. That guy from Miami. Bang. Junior.

Shannon Sharpe (73:47)

Hey, you.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:49)

You need a hellraiser like that. Those are the type of guys that change your future, that change your fortune. That's what they need.

Shannon Sharpe (73:55)

He nice. Bane is nice.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (73:57)

Hell, yeah. But I. I don't. I don't like Dylan Gabriel. Thornton letting Dylan Gabriel throw the ball 52 times, bro. He threw four passes that had 10 yards of air distance. He completed four passes over 10 yards in the air today. So everything is checked down. He dinking and dunking or checking it.

Shannon Sharpe (74:17)

Down now, you know, there's no digging and dunking can work. It can work depending on the. You. You can be efficient digging and Duncan. But at some point, once the boys say, you know what, we coming up, we can. We go.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:30)

You got to be able to put the ball over the head, though, Joe. At some point in time, you got to put a. Man, you got to put. You got to put somebody on your feet.

Shannon Sharpe (74:36)

You got to put fear. You got to put fear.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:38)

You got to put. Ocho, if I don't, bro, I'm.

Shannon Sharpe (74:41)

I'm sitting on everything.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:42)

I used to play the Raiders and the Chiefs. You had to throw in the. In the first 10 plays, you had to throw a goalball or them both gonna sit right there.

Shannon Sharpe (74:54)

On everything.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (74:55)

When you played the Raiders, when you play had a tmac, and they had Albert Lewis. So we went over there and they had Dale Carter in Kansas City, and they had a. What's. Oh, I forget the guy's name. Lord have mercy. If you did not move them, if you did not throw a goalball, even, it's like, look, we ain't trying to complete it, but you got to put fear on them. Cause, boy, they ain't moving. They not moving, man, I. First of all, y', all, we know y' all not gonna throw it deep. Deep. You know why we know y' all not gonna throw it deep? Because we know y' all don't have a really offensive line that can hold up to throw it back. And then second of all, if you do throw it deep, guess what, Ocho? You ain't right no running game. So what am I stepping up to stop the run for? So with that being said, now we squatting on everything. Prove to me I'M wrong.

Shannon Sharpe (75:52)

Is hurt.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (75:54)

Yep. He had 12 carries for 36 yards. He might have got hurt in the game. I was, you know, I was back. I was back and forth, man. I, I, it's, it's hard for me to stay. It's hard for me to stay interested in that right there, Ocho. It's hard. You know, I watched the series, and I'm like, bro, what is this?

Shannon Sharpe (76:10)

Yeah, I, I, I thought they would have, I thought they would have leaned on him a little bit more. So I, I thought, well, maybe, maybe he's hurt. Maybe something's wrong with him. But if your quarterback isn't as good or you're not able to do some of the things you want to do to make sure you're able to be competitive, you want to hide him by running the ball a little bit more. You want to, you want to put that load and that onus on that, on the, on your running back to be able to get things going or to make it easier. Forget balance. You got to be a run. You got to be a run heavy team.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (76:47)

First.

Shannon Sharpe (76:49)

You. You got to be.

Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) (76:51)

I ain't trying to do no balance. You ain't got no balance for that right there. I mean, Jalen Ramsey had two sacks. Jaylen Rams. Jayla Rams said, I'm gonna try to get me 10 sacks as a corner. Hebrick had two sacks. Uh, Highsmith had a half. Had a half a sack. TJ had a half a sack. So they have six sacks total. Six tack, six sacks total. But I don't know what Cleveland trying to do, but whatever it is.

Shannon Sharpe (77:21)

You know what? You know what? It's almost unfair. It's almost unfair to have to judge Gabriel against that damn defense. It's almost unfair. I know it's your division opponent, but, hell, it ain't that many people that look good against the goddamn Steelers and the quarterbacks that do. You know, they in conversations of the epislon of quarterbacks when it comes to being able to dismantle that damn defense.

Bobby Bones (77:51)

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did ashes come together, Diplo?

Diplo (78:02)

I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had, like, three hours.

Bailey Zimmerman (78:06)

It was really cool. He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house and like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay.

Bobby Bones (78:15)

You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcasts. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

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