Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby DOMINATES the Rockets + Jokic says Wemby will TAKE OVER the NBA + Lakers BEAT the Knicks without Bron + Jayson Tatum LOOKS GREAT vs Cavs + Pistons SELL vs Heat

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby DOMINATES the Rockets + Jokic says Wemby will TAKE OVER the NBA + Lakers BEAT the Knicks without Bron + Jayson Tatum LOOKS GREAT vs Cavs + Pistons SELL vs Heat”

Date: March 9, 2026
Host: Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Co-hosts: D and Joe Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the latest action from the NBA, with the panel focusing on Victor Wembanyama’s incredible performance against the Rockets, Nikola Jokic’s awe-struck comments about Wemby, a resilient Lakers win over the Knicks without LeBron, Jayson Tatum’s strong return for the Celtics, and the Pistons’ continued struggles, culminating in a blowout loss to the Heat. The trio brings their usual blend of basketball analysis, real-life analogies, and playful banter.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

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1. Spurs DOMINATE Rockets: "Wemby was Wemby"

[07:04–22:23]

Spurs offensive explosion:

• Spurs beat the Rockets 145-120; four players scored 20+ points, nearly five (Dylan Harper had 19).
• Chad: “This was a beat down...in the third quarter, the Spurs just exploded and it went haywire. Wimby was Wimby.” [07:25]
• Champagne was hot from three, Dearon Fox up and down the court, Stephen Castle impressive as a two-way player.

Team Depth & Playoff Chances:

• Joe: “This team is deep. They have so many guys that can beat you...the Rockets looked like they were two, three steps slower than the Spurs tonight.” [09:25]
• Stephen Castle’s defense and offensive output continuing to impress.
• Bench production: Spurs’ bench had 57 points.
• D: “I’m not sure any team has the answer for Wemby... he’s good from anywhere on the floor.” [10:48]
• Spurs’ genuine chemistry, echoing OKC’s vibes.

Notable Quote:
Joe Johnson: “They can win it all. Yes, yes.” [10:04]

Spurs as Favorites?

• Spurs match up well with OKC, especially with their versatile guards and relentless defense.
• Joe: “The physicality they play with...being in KD’s back pocket the whole game, making it tough for him to get his spots.” [11:58]
• Importance of taking Wimby out of the paint and drawing him outside for bigs like Chet Holmgren.

Rockets’ Defensive Problems:

• Rockets allowed Spurs to shoot 58% from the field, 52% from three.
• Singoon highlighted as an offensive asset but defensive liability, especially struggling with Spurs’ pace.

Notable Quote:
Chad: “You let a team shoot damn near 60 from the floor, over 50 from the 3, you’re gonna lose by 20 points.” [14:33]

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2. Bench Depth, Chemistry, and Player Development

[17:34–21:26]

• Young average age (23-25); continuous waves of athletic, defensive-minded players.
• Dylan Harper and Keldon Johnson—starter-level talents coming off the bench, sacrificing for team success.
• Spurs’ young core bonded much like OKC, “they genuinely like each other...spending time together.”
• The arrival of Dearon Fox, likely the oldest player, reinforced the youth movement.

Notable Moment:
Joe on Castle: “He’s taking the toughest offensive assignment every single night and still giving you those 15 to 20 points.” [19:07]

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3. Western Conference Hierarchy & Wemby vs. OKC

[21:26–28:06]

Spurs vs OKC Playoff Potential:

• “They’ve already beat them three out of four this year.” [22:16]
• Regular season vs playoffs: “Playoffs is a different ball game.” [22:20]
• Joe leans slightly OKC in a hypothetical 7-game series, but admits San Antonio is on their heels.
• “They might be a year away.” [27:40]
• Wemby described as a “cheat code.” [28:06]

Memorable Chad Quote:
“How you take the first shot? You pulling up from 27 at the top.” [28:09]

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4. Is There a Defensive Answer for Wemby?

[28:16–30:39]

• Joe: The only hope is to wear Wemby down physically and try to get him in foul trouble.
• His shot-blocking changes the game on defense, “sending everything, return to sender.”
• Spurs scored 56 in the paint AND made 21/40 threes—a nightmare to defend.

Notable Quote:
Joe Johnson: “Their guards break you down so easy, bro. They in the paint themselves the whole time, shooting layups, floaters.” [30:30]

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5. Rockets Need a Point Guard—VanVleet Missing

[31:22–32:20]

• Chad says Rockets are “not going anywhere” without a true point guard, particularly with VanVleet out.
• Amin Thompson is a promising two-way player, but not a classic floor general.
• Speculation on why Chris Paul (CP3) isn’t getting calls for a playoff run.

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6. Age, Size & Controlling the Game in Today’s NBA

[33:02–34:53]

• Debate over veteran point guards: smaller, older guards have a harder time keeping up as pace increases.
• Modern NBA requires size/athleticism to stay impactful into your late 30s—LeBron, Luka, Jokic cited.

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7. Jokic on Wemby: “He’s gonna hold the entire league in a chokehold”

[37:10–39:17]

• Jokic quoted: “I’m glad I’ll probably retire before Wemby will hold the entire league in a chokehold. Never seen anything like that.” [37:10]
• Spurs big man compared to “two broomsticks in the lane”—his defensive presence is a game-changer.

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8. Who Will Be the Face of the NBA? American vs. International Stars

[39:17–42:21]

• Globalization of the NBA: more top stars are international.
• Joe: “If he (Wemby) wins a championship for sure...he got a chance [to be the face].” [38:38]
• Chad points out that currently, Luka, Jokic, Giannis, SGA, and Wemby would be taken over any American player, Tatum perhaps being the exception.

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9. Luka vs. Tatum & “Ant Man,” Steph Curry’s Place

[42:21–45:06]

• Chad says he'd “take Luka over Ant Man or Jason Tatum,” citing his scoring and all-NBA consistency.
• Acknowledges Luka’s defensive flaws but values his scoring and playmaking.
• Noted that Luka’s shot selection and usage rate lower efficiency but reflect his aggressive role.
• Joe: “When it comes sliding them puppies, he ain’t giving you no two slides. He might give you one. That’s a rap after that.” [43:07]

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10. Lakers Beat Knicks Without LeBron

[55:54–58:47]

• LA wins 110–97 over the high-powered Knicks (LeBron scratched late).
• Defense held the Knicks to 43% shooting and 19 turnovers (20 points below season average).
• Austin Reeves stepped up; Marcus Smart didn’t shoot well, but contributed defensively.
• Chad & Joe highlight the pressure of playing for the Lakers and how expectations impact player performance: “Number one killer is expectations.” [57:13]

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11. Jayson Tatum’s Return Lifts Celtics—Boston Looks Scary

[68:18–70:53]

• Celtics beat Cavs 109–98; Tatum with 20 points in his second game back.
• Jalen Brown added 23-9-8; Peyton Pritchard provided key bench minutes.
• Praise for Boston’s depth and confidence; expectation they’ll be “right back on top” in the East if Tatum stays healthy.

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12. Cleveland’s Ceiling, Playoff Limitations

[71:09–74:47]

• Joe doubts Cleveland’s supporting cast can step up in a series; too much pressure on Mitchell, Garland, Mobley.
• “When I watch Cleveland play, they have to work so hard to score… it hasn’t really looked real free flowing.” [71:53]
• Lack of bench scoring; Peyton Pritchard (Boston) cited as a difference-maker in true contenders.

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13. Pistons’ Slide, Heat’s Depth; Miami “Contender” Debate

[74:47–80:50]

• Pistons lost four straight; gave up a 20+ point lead to Brooklyn, then blown out by Miami.
• Heat’s balanced scoring, Bam Adebayo’s expanded perimeter game praised.
• D tries to make a case for Miami as the "best team in the East"—Chad and Joe disagree (“Nope!” [79:41]), but D says in a seven-game series the Heat will “rise to the occasion.”

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14. “Ring Culture,” Star Loyalty, and Hall of Fame Legacies

[60:45–66:39]

• Debate about Giannis’ future—is he under pressure to leave Milwaukee for another title?
• Loyalty vs legacy; examples of KG, Damian Lillard, etc. staying too long with one franchise.
• “Ring Culture” has put more weight on championships; not having a ring gets players unfairly criticized.

Chad: “There are some guys that got rings, and people actually think they’re better than Charles Barkley, they’re better than Karl Malone. And you’re high.” [64:01]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe Johnson: “They can win it all. Yes, yes.” [10:04]
• Chad Ochocinco: “You let a team shoot damn near 60 from the floor, over 50 from the 3, you’re gonna lose by 20 points.” [14:33]
• Joe Johnson (on Spurs): “Castle taking the toughest assignment every single night and still giving you 15 to 20.” [19:07]
• Jokic (as reported by Chad): “I’m glad I’ll probably retire before Wemby will hold the entire league in a chokehold. Never seen anything like that.” [37:10]
• Chad Ochocinco (on Luka): “I just need you to not get beat on the initial drive...” [42:21]
• Joe Johnson (on Luka D): “He ain’t giving you no two slides. He might give you one. That’s a rap after that.” [43:07]
• Chad (on “ring culture”): “There are some guys that got rings, and people actually think they’re better than Charles Barkley, they’re better than Karl Malone. And you’re high.” [64:01]
• On Miami’s playoff chances:
  D: “We rise to the occasions in moments that matter. So in the seven game series... the fat lady gonna sing.” [77:32]
  Joe/Chad: “Nope.” [79:41]

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Timestamps & Segment Guide

• [07:04] – Show proper starts, introduce guests
• [07:35–14:59] – Spurs v. Rockets, Wemby impact
• [14:59–21:26] – Spurs bench, defense, chemistry, Fox & Castle
• [21:26–27:39] – Spurs vs. OKC playoff debate, Wemby’s future, “cheat code”
• [28:09–30:52] – How/if you defend Wemby, paint vs. perimeter
• [31:22–32:20] – Rockets’ point guard issues, VanVleet, CP3 debate
• [33:02–34:53] – Age & control in the modern NBA
• [37:10–39:17] – Jokic on Wemby, face of the league debate
• [42:21–45:06] – Luka vs. Tatum/Edwards, usage, efficiency, defense
• [55:54–58:47] – Lakers beat Knicks, Austin Reeves shines, pressure in big markets
• [68:18–70:53] – Celtics’ win, Tatum’s return, Boston depth
• [71:09–74:47] – Cavs playoff analysis, bench issues
• [74:47–80:50] – Pistons’ struggles, Heat “contender” question debated
• [60:45–66:39] – Giannis, loyalty, “ring culture,” Hall of Fame perceptions

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Final Thoughts

The crew’s lively, insightful breakdowns make this episode a must-listen for fans of contemporary NBA. Wemby’s superstardom, the evolving identity of teams like the Spurs, the challenge posed by international talent, and the relentless shift of ring culture and player movement all take center stage. The hosts’ playful ribbing keeps the energy high, and the analysis is sharp, especially when contextualizing legacies and forecasting playoff paths.

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[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Look, Uncle Ocho, what they've shown you is that those three times that they beat okc, it was not a fluke, fellas. It was not a fluke, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, this team is deep. They have so many guys that can beat you. But you know what was glaring about this? It was almost as if the Rockets was like two to three steps slower than the spurs tonight. It's like the pace that the spurs was playing at, Ocho, it's like the Rockets couldn't keep up. They can't get. Look, midway through the third quarter, I seen Kd what we talking about when they complaining to the rest. We know we got him.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

I seen KD over there talking to the refs, his tongue hanging out of his mouth.

[Co-host D]

Boy.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, they done ran them boys in the ground, man. Hey, they got a lot. Hey, spurs got a lot of guys who they can throw at you who mind playing defense off the bounce and create opportunities for, for themselves or others. It's fun to watch, man. Not and, and not even to mention Wimby. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, they destined Uncle Ocho. They can win it all. Yes, yes.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They got 57 bench points. You get 57 bench points and your starters play like they play. And Devon Versaille, he didn't have one of his better games. He only had five points. He was 0 of 6 from the floor, O3 from the three point line. Oh, you wife San Antonio. Look, Wimby, we talk about wimy, but they're so much more than a wimy.

[Co-host D]

They, they, they look good, huh? I mean, to piggyback off what Joe said, obviously, me watching the game tonight and, and Joe saying that it looked like the Rockets were two steps behind. It looked just like that. Even though my understanding isn't great as his. I mean, with me not having the knowledge that I do of the game. I mean, it looked like that to me. It seemed like they were lethargic. I'm not sure what was wrong or the fact that the spurs were just two steps ahead of everything that they tried to do. Whether it was in transition, whether it was offensively or whether it was defensively. They played extremely well. I'm not sure any team has the answer for Wemby. I'm not sure what you can do to stop Wemby because he's good from anywhere on the floor, anywhere on the court. He can even put the ball on the floor. He have mid range. I mean in the goddamn paint, Joe. I'm not sure what they can and like Joe did say what they've done to okc. As great as OKC is as a team, even with the depth they have on the bench, they met the spurs, match up really well with them. And I might. I got a question for you and you and on Joe, with the way the spurs are playing, are they the favorite to win the championship this year or is everyone still leaning towards OKC to do so in a seven games, I mean in a seven game series regards to who they have to play or the spurs the favorite?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Well, it's, it's when you see them complete, when you see A complete game. The way they played tonight today, Ocho, it makes you. You know, it makes you put them ahead of a lot of teams. But for me, man, it's the physicality that they play with on the perimeter, like just being in KD back pocket the whole game, making it tough for him to get to his spots. Pushing, shoving, the whole game, picking up full court. All that plays into the victories. Not only that, but the guys that they have, man, Fox, Castle, Harper, come. These guys go off the dribble so easily, bro, and get to the basket. If you can't guard, man, you in trouble. I'm sorry.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't gonna be able to keep

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

them boys in front of you.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I think the thing, Joe, when I watch them, you're gonna have to have somebody score, and they're gonna have to keep Wimble away from the basket, because if you let him camp out from the basket, you're not gonna get any layups. He's gonna alter all your shots. And you see guys, they come in and they're very hesitant, like, damn, I got to shoot this ball like 12ft in the air in order for me to have a chance to get it up. Yeah, you think you got him beat? He just spins around and whop. Throw it out of bounds. So the thing is, is that OKC does have a guy that can play on the perimeter, which is Chet, which can take him away from the basket. But if you're big, cannot draw him outside of the paint, you're going to have hell beating him. Oh, yeah, like you said, now, they do have multiple guys. The thing that I love most about them is that when their starters go to the bench, that second that shock troop come in, and they give you the same type of pace, they give you the same type of tempo. Now, obviously, Cornette is not as good as Wimby, but when you come in with Harper and you come in with

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Johnson, man, and Brian, I like Brian, too.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, yes. He.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He high energy. He can guard every. Everybody out there on the floor, he can guard. They play the right way. It's. It's fun to watch them play, bro, because they can beat you in so many ways. But the attack that they have from them guards, man, the way they can get by their man so easily. Ocho, bro, you ain't gonna want to see these.

[Co-host D]

Hey, Uncle Joe, honestly, I mean, based off what we've seen from the spurs so far this season, I think, obviously, if they're healthy, if they remain healthy, especially going into the postseason, I think. I think they Got it? They. They're gonna raise that. They're gonna raise that trophy.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Now you gonna, you gonna put some money on them?

[Co-host D]

Nah, I ain't gonna do that, Joe. I don't want to put money on nothing when I'm not controlling the outcome, Joe. Okay, but I'm just saying, if you had to bet, you would do the same though, right?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Oh, it'd be if. Boy, they up there. Ocho, I'm talking about, man. It's hard to go against them, I tell you that.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But if, if it's gonna be, definitely gonna be a matchup. I tell you what I mean. Doke is not, is not very pleased with the way they play defense. They shot 58 from the floor. They shot 52 from the three. You're not beating anybody. I don't give a damn if San Antonio. I don't care if it's the. I don't care if it's. It's Sacramento. I don't care who it is. You let a team shoot damn near 60 from the floor over 50 from the 3, you're gonna lose by 20 points.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, Singoon, he can't guard nobody.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no, no. Hey, he's an offensive guy. He's not a guy.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They put, they put the, the game so fast. They put up in them pick and rolls and they getting the isolation. They just penetrate kicking or getting by him getting layups, but he having a hard. He's struggling playing at this pace. Yes, he's struggling playing at this pace. Cuz Wimy is just he out there floating around a three point line blocking shots. He just.

[Co-host D]

Hey, Uncle Joe.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And Wimby blocks a shot. He Wimy block, block a shot. He 100 meter.

[Co-host D]

Hey Joe, when you get in a situation like that where obviously Sengun is a liability on defense, why not just go small?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You can't. He's one of you. He's an all star.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Damn. Who you gonna put in there? That's exactly. You play through him, you know what I mean? Like a lot of the offenses ran through him.

[Co-host D]

I mean, hold on, he's a liability on defense. Not we, we, we can't still.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But he gives you so much offensively if you take, let's see who you gonna put in there defensively you're not gonna put Jeff Green, Phoenix Smith is too small. Isaiah Crawford, Clint Capella, but he gives you nothing offensively. Yeah, Holiday Okogi, Reed shepherd is an offensive guy. So they have a bunch of offensive guys. The problem is, is that Shingoon is used to Getting the ball all the time with the addition of kd. KD got to get some touches. Joe, you remember last year, Shun Goon was an all star.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Some of those touches.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I just don't. I think that's a tough cover for him guarding Wimby. Like, that's a tough cover for Sing, man. That's a tough cover for him.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Wimby's a tough cover for everybody. But if you think. If. If you think about it, look, if they play, Chad is going to be a tough cover for him because Chad can play on the boundary. Obviously, Joker is a tough cover for everybody. There's no answer. So we don't. We exclude Joker. Joker, don't. Don't even talk about him because ain't nobody doing anything with him. The problem that you have when you. When you're. I made Joker pride himself on being a defensive team. If you look at him with the Celtics, hey, we're gonna shut. Yeah, we're gonna shoot threes, but we're gonna play outstanding defense. They don't have guys to play the type of defense that he wants to play.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He got a couple.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

It's really that simple. Yeah, they don't.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And all things being equal, KD is phenomenal offensively, but he's not a defensive guy. Shingoon is not a defensive guy. Now, I like Jabari Smith, but really, the only guy they got that's on the defensive end that's trying to hold it down is Thompson and Eason.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And when you got those young guys, you look at what's the average age of San Antonio? 23, 24, maybe 25.

[Co-host D]

Young.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They getting up and down, man.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They got some Hoopers, bro.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They got some straight hoops waves at you. They go every. Every five to six minutes, they come in there with a new set. Yeah, well, good luck, because, look, every. They're top heavy, and most teams are. So don't. Don't think. I'm saying. But when you look at the most of their points, when you get 57 points from your bench and you getting consistent play night in and night out. Dylan Harper was what, Western Conference rookie of the year. And you got Kelvin Johnson coming off your bench. Kelly Johnson can stop for a lot of teams. Dylan Harper probably should be in the starting lineup. But they say, you know what? We need that energy. We need those points coming off the bench because we know we're going to get from Versaille and we know what we're going to get from Stephen Castle. So now you Getting. You get it, Joe? You can take on a given night, you getting somewhere between 30 and 40 points a night from two guys off the bench.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And you know what? It seems as though nobody has a problem with it on their team neither. You know, they all. They. They all vouch for one another. They play hard, they play the right way. You don't see nobody out there forcing nothing. And the game just looks easy, man. It looks easy to them. And defensively, they all sit down in the chair. But when you got Wimby behind you, hell, it ain't. It ain't. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but I'm with you.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Even if you play the chair game, don't worry about it. If somebody get your chair, don't worry about it. Get back there to Wimby. Wendy got something for you.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello. But you know what, man? Hey, look, Castle. Castle showing me a lot, though, Uncle Ocho.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, I'm talking about, like, oh, oh, oh, like, oh, he gonna be able to.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, we talk about all defensive players now. I. Look, Jalen. Jalen Brown has played extremely well. We know what Kawaba Kwai is not what he once was. The injury that's taking his toll. But when we look at this kid here, he's taking the toughest office of assignment every single night. And you ask him to still give you those 15 to 20 points that he gives you.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

So a.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, man. Yeah, young superstar in the making. Obviously, we know he won rookie of the Year, but he showed me, man, that he ready to take that next step. Uncle Ocho. Hey, the spurs scary, bro. They scary, man. Oh, man. Yeah. Nobody wants to see them boys.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They don't. But I think the thing is, is that they took a page out of okc. You see how well okc, you can tell they genuinely like each other. They genuinely like being around each other. Yeah, it's not like, okay, we get to a city and we scatter like, Like. Like mice. When the lights come on, they like, hey, hey, bro, what you doing? Hey, let's go grab a bite. You. They talk about how they spend time with one another, how they're in the group chat communicating with one one another. And I can see very similar what the spurs are doing. Yeah, that's how you look. Most teams that win are close. Now. They're always going to be a situation where sometimes you get outliers, where, hey, we win and fight and we don't really care about each other. But I think OKC and the way they play, I think everybody's trying to find, trying to find that formula because your best player holds this thing together. And Wimby is clearly their best player, but man, they young and they still got draft picks.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And, and the thing is that, look, most of these guys, champagne and Wimby Yama. Yeah. You made the trade for Dear and Fox. Dear and Fox said like, I'm tired of sack, blah, blah, blah, and I want to go elsewhere. And he lands here with Wimby.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He probably the oldest on the team.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

So you got all these in the pick and roll.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he can get down that joke. Hey, quick as a cat on the marble table, man. Downhill and get to the rim. Hey, he can snatch it back up behind the three point line. He got a crazy head that you think he about to hit a pop. He's to the rim on you. And now you got Wimby and you got Castle. You got Vassell. They loaded

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

them boys made a statement.

[Co-host D]

Hold on. They've been making a statement though, Joe.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They've been making, but I'm just saying against, against one of the top teams like Houston in the Western Conference.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They just making third seed. Houston are, yeah, they letting them eat out of them.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's levels to this.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Made mincemeat out of them.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They did, they did.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They made mincemeat out of them. And like I said, it's going to be very interesting. I want to see it. Hopefully everybody is, is a healthy and nobody has any, you know, significant injuries. I, I, you know, you want to

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

see them at okc, you want to see them at OKC in the Western Conference final?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I do, I do.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Boy, it's gonna go down.

[Co-host D]

Joe. Who you got? Hypothetically speaking, if those, if those two. Listen, beating, beating somebody one game is one thing, but a seven game series. Who you leaning towards, huh?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Well, they've already beat them three out of four this year.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they didn't beat him three out of four.

[Co-host D]

Hold on. That's regular season now. You know, Joe, the playoffs is a different ball game.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

I get it, I get it. I get it. I get it. Hey, I've been in that situation. I've been in that situation.

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[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, go ahead Joe.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Go ahead. What you gonna say?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I was gonna say I want to see Castle and Shay. Yeah Cause that's a matchup.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Cause council hey Castle can pick it up now. They're gonna run his ass off a bunch of pigs. They gonna try to keep him in the pig. They're gonna try to keep his ass running off screen. The fear dies. Hey, they gonna try to keep keep

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

him keep bumping but he ain't. I'm I know they won the series, the season series of spurs, but I'm probably giving me a little edge to okc. I probably give them done that. Probably give a little edge to OKC right now. Ocho.

[Co-host D]

Okay.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They might be a year away because you remember OKC was in a very similar situation before, and they ended up getting upset by the Mavericks. Yeah, so I can see a very similar situation where, hey, you think, man, they right there and all of a sudden they get upset. But they coming. If you. Hey, if you think you about to have your way with San Antonio, they coming. Yeah, we're only gonna get better. I don't know if y' all notice, but women gonna get better.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, he like a cheat code out there, bro. It don't even look.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, how you take the first shot? You pulling up from 27. At the top. At the top.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, Joe. You played the game, Joe. You've been around for a very long time. Someone like Wimby, there's no answer for Jokic. I mean, Joker, you can slow him down. You can only hope to contain him when it comes to Wimy. Is there any way you can stop him? Anything you could do defensively, anything you can do tactically to slow him down or just do you just have to say, you know what? He's going to always get his. We need to worry about the other four on the court.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Nah, you gonna have to wear him down, Pick him, catch him early, body to body, and then you gotta hope for the third and fourth quarter and second half of the game, you're able to wear him down to where he's not as effective. But Ocho, I mean, man, he. He can do a little bit of everything out there. I mean, I like. I liked how he took his time and, you know, he started to play making. Just make Pat making the right passes and guys getting wide open threes. Next thing you know, they up 30 points, bro. Yeah, it's like.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, the thing with Wemby, Joe, you got. You. Like you said, you got to have somebody that can body. You got to wear him down.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Because right now, he's still in his. His. His young man, kid body. Yeah, he's not that old. He doesn't have his. His body. Body. So you got to wear him down. You got to have somebody that can make him work on the other end and. And. And you got to go body with him. Hopefully, you can get him in foul trouble if you don't get him in foul trouble. And he gets to play his normal. A lot of minutes, which is about 30. Play about. Somewhere like 30, maybe 33, 34 minutes. If you let him play his normal allotment of minutes, that means he's not in file trouble and he's gonna be down there. He's gonna be there down the stretch.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And he gonna make it very difficult because all layups. I'm sending a send, return to sender.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Dude. Hello, Hello.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you throw your issue. I don't like what you say, so I'm gonna send it back in 30 days.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man, they gonna be. They gonna be a tough matchup for anybody though in the postseason. Fellas, I don't care who they play.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Houston allowed them season most points, 56 in the paint. They allowed 56 points in the paint, guys, and they shot 43s list. They made 21 of 40 from the three point line. So you get up 43s and you still get 56 in the. A damn near 60 in the point in the paint.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Oh, them dudes was. Listen, they guards break you down so easy, bro. They in the paint themselves the whole time shooting layups, floaters.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

It's.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It's too much. Yeah, you take that away now you got Chad Pennington and Vassa out there shooting the lights out, shooting the COVID off the ball. It's like you gotta pick this guy. You gotta pick your poison.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Keldon Johnson come in. Just pulling.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Well, they look good, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I don't know why, but hell, every time Kelton Johnson and Champagne shoot the three I like that's gonna go in, they got me thinking they damn step Curry. Hey, listen.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Cause it don't be nobody two, three feet from him. You know what I'm saying? Cause Wimby, he take the double team, triple team, and he just picking you apart. Them guys breaking people down, picking you apart. It's gonna be tough to beat them, bro.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

The question is. Look, I think the problem that the Rockets really have, they needed a point guard. Without Van Fleet, they can't go anywhere.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I like Amin Thompson. I think he's a phenomenal player. He's a great two way player. But without a true point guard, they not going nowhere.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I agree. It was glaring. It was glaring today too. They needed Friva and Fleet. They need somebody who can kind of get everything together. Yeah. Yes. Get them together. You know, when things get a little crazy, you got to need somebody who can calm everybody down and make sure we get a great shot. But they was held to skelter a lot of times out there, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They were my thing is, Joe O. Joe, you need a point guard. Y' all mean to tell me that that CP got that kind of baggage? Don't nobody want him. He can't help Nobody in this situation. I ain't saying you got to sign him for the next five years, but he can't help somebody in a playoff run.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, ain't nobody picked him. I don't. Oh, he probably wasn't getting what he probably wasn't getting. Getting them phone calls. I can. Ocho just.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he was. I understand. It's not a. It's not a sub zero. It's a little ice chest, but damn it gonna keep the meat cool, right? Hey, you know, hey, back in the day, Joe, you know, we had them ice chest. We throw the ice and put the meat on top of that refrigerator gone out.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, boy, back then, ice, I think ice was like 50 cent a bag or something like that. Three or four bags. And put that ice and put that beat up, put that meter in the ice chest.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, you know, as you age, you get up in them 40s and you under six, two, you know, it's tough to play. It's tough to continue to play. Uncle Ocho.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Them keep running.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Like you.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You gonna have to be up there 6, 7, 6, 8, 6, 9. Be able to play in your 40s to where you can still control the game a little bit. You know what I mean?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. Yeah, yeah. If. Joe, you make a very good point. As you get older, the smaller you are, the harder it is for you to control the game. See, LeBron can control the game because he's 6, 9.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Luca still will be able to control a game because he's 6, 7, 6, 8.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Jokic will be able to control a game because he's seven foot.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But when. When you lose foot speed and you're six foot tall and these young. Boy, the A D, young kids now, man, they got back. They got jet packs on, hear me? Because they're not walking the ball up that old Joe. You remember back in it when you first got in the league, guys would walk the ball up. Yeah, they pushing this ish.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Listen, on May Bass, I seen. I've seen the spurs catch a fast break and they just got scored on.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They scored. Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right before Houston even get back. Like, I'm like, the game is played at such a high pace, bro. It's like even watching it, you'd be so. You'd be like, come on, man. They could have got a better shot than that because it's just come down.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Boom, boom.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Pass three, three, layup, floater. Don't you know what I mean? It's just the game's so different now, bro. And that's what I'm talking about. Houston seemed like they was like two, three steps slower than the spurs tonight.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Houston want to play at a half court set because they got a tremendous half court player in. Kevin Durant. They got Shangoon. They can put you in the pick and roll. He can roll, he can pop. Kd, you know what KD is. But these young teams, they not really trying to play half court.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You got them track shoes on?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, you want to keep up with us? Don't bring your team, don't bring your work boots, bring your track shoes. We run it, we run it. Oh, I know you see you ain't doing the word you from, baby, you a handle. I had steel toe boots, Joe. I don't know. I know your grandfather, your dad probably had steel toes. Yeah, you had them steel toe boots, them bro games, you know you put in a. If you had steel throw boots, you know damn well you put in a hard day.

[Co-host D]

Hold on, why you do me like that?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You had no damn.

[Co-host D]

I used to work on the docks at the port of Miami. Down here I had to wear steel. Still. I was a longshoreman.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

What you, what you were doing on the dock?

[Co-host D]

I was a longshoreman at the port of Miami.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You heard me, Joe.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

So you longshoreman. Everything that come in, you get. You have to.

[Co-host D]

I'm doing all them containers, man, off off them ships and them lows. Come in, Joe. Hey, out working the crane, Joe. No, I'm telling you, Joe, I was a longshoreman. Ask about me, Joe. Yeah, I have. Still, you got to wear steel toe boots, Joe.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. My grandfather worked on the railroad. He always had steel toes. Hey, hey.

[Co-host D]

I had Steve, my steel toe boost and I had my overalls, Joe.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, no lie, but back to. Back to what we said, Joe. Being in the south and working, you, you know damn well you saw somebody with some steel toe boots and this is when you know when the COVID has started to roll off the front of them and you could actually see the steel.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

That much.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

That boy working. Yeah, he working. He working.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

He don't put some work in, man.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Listen, she talking about.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but the spurs, they beat the Rockets. Stay close. They're still the number two seed thanks to a 145, 120 victory over the Houston Texas. The spurs place four guys with double in double with 20 plus points and allowed in Houston allowed a season most 56 points in the paint. Well, Houston, you will lose a lot of games if you let a team shoot 58% from the floor and 52% from the three. You lose it. Yeah.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You ain't beat nobody with them no more. 145 points.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nicola Jokic. Who said Nicola is Nicola Jokic says he's glad he's retired. He's retiring soon. Before Wemby takes over the NBA. He's changing basketball. I'm glad that I'll probably retire before when he'll hold the entire league in a chokehold. Hey, never seen anything like that.

[Co-host D]

So.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

So you've never seen a guy that skill. You can put the ball on the floor, can shoot the ball from three let Kevin the Grant can shoot it. But he, that man is like five, six inches taller than kd. Yeah. And on the defensive end it's like somebody. Joe, it's like you holding up two broomsticks in the lane.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You know it is.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. Hey. Shouldn't. Should. Wim is basically. Should be the face of the NBA then, huh? Or the fact that he doesn't have that charisma personality like Anthony Edwards. Would he not be the first ver choice for it being that he's probably going to be the one to dominate the NBA for, for the next 10, what, 15 years depending on how long he decides to play.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Well, I think globally, you know, he, he puts a. He brings in a great brand because that's what the NBA wants to go.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You know, they, it's going to be games over and you know you, during the season the guy's going to be playing games over there in, in Paris and stuff like that. So it only helps the game if you ask me, man. But to be the face of the NBA, Ocho, he got a chance, bro. If he win a championship for sure.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

It's just hard. I mean things are going to change. It's different now because you talk about an American sport and a foreign born player being the face of an American sport.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

It's not like baseball because baseball for the most part has always had Latin players. They've always had, you know, they've always had Korean, Japanese started coming over when you had Hideki Nomo and Matt started coming. But they've already, They've always had Latin players. Yeah, always. Always. It's different. Baseball has always been a, a universal, a world game. Basketball just became that say the last 30 plus years.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Once the, they sent the, the NBA to the Olympics in 92. That's what everybody. That's when the Dirks and that's when everybody like well damn, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to be.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And so now, and because if you really think about it, the top five, six, seven players are foreign born. They're Canadians, they're Serb, they're Slovenian, they're Greek, they're French, they're not American.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You got to go far. I mean, nobody's taking. You're not taking not one American player over Luca, you're not taking one over Jokic, you're not taking one over Shea, you're not taking one over Greek freak. You're not. You're not. You take investment, you take Jason Tatum, you take whomever you say is your best American player, and I guarantee you, you're not taking them over Jokic, Giannis, Luca, Shea, you're not. And I'm not so sure you take even Wimby in his third year, I'm not sure you're taking one over Wimby. So that's five right there.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

The world is not as deep as America, but it's definitely okay. You got a couple of in Greece, and you got a couple in Sarbinian, Serbian, Canada, X, Y and Z. But as far as just depth, yeah, American. Got it. But those guys grow up playing together like Zion and, and, and, and, And Job was on the same AAU team.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

All those French kids, they played together their whole life growing up. Yeah, they grew up the Serge, the Slovenians. They played together their whole life growing up. The Greek team, they played together their whole life.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

And they started playing pro, professional basketball a lot earlier over there overseas, Ocho versus over here. You know what I mean? Like, they may be playing pro over there at 13, 14 years old.

[Co-host D]

So you develop a little faster, huh?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. There you go. There you go.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Luca been playing pro since he was 14.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host D]

Hey, Unc, can I ask you a question?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Co-host D]

Would you really take Luka over, like an ant man or Jason Tatum?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I would.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It's your press.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, look, I think the thing is, is that Luca kicks a lot. L. Today, Luca was locked in, and we gonna talk about a little bit. He locked in, caught him a couple of charges, poke the ball out, run the back L ball of the day. But that scoring, right? He about to have his, I think, his fourth season where he's averaged 30. He's 26. He's 26. Yeah. He gonna put. Yeah, look, he gonna take bad shots. He's very unorthodox. He's gonna take some bad shots and he gonna complain. He gonna shoot a shot and he's gonna turn a little to the official and he's got room and laid it up on the other end. That's. That's just what it is.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But I think the thing is, and I, I. You talk about a guy that's been. He was a first team all the NBA selection for five consecutive years. Five.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Luca the dawn.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but it's just that if he were to stop complaining, I don't, I don't. I don't need him to sit in the chair, Joe. I don't need him to do that. Just don't get beat on the initial drive. Can you do that? That's all I want you to do. If he tried to beat you on initial drive, cut him off, make him pull it back off or make him give the ball up. That's all I need, Joe. Because if he beats you on the initial drive, help gotta come. If help, somebody compromise, somebody else open.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, well, I'm sorry to tell you.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

That's all I need.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, he a bad boy. He a bad boy. But when it comes sliding them puppies, he ain't giving you no two slides. He might give you one. That's a rap after that. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know what got him in the day though, Joe. I don't know what got him today. But Luca, he was kind of locked in today. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

I think, I think him knowing LeBron wasn't playing, you know, he know he had to lock in a little more, you know what I mean? Like, you ain't got Braun out there, you know, you gotta be great. You know what I mean? Like, you and Austin gonna have to carry us tonight. I think they knew. He knew that from the start.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, this Austin looked really good tonight. He was, he was aggressive. Put the ball on the plank. Put the ball on the floor. Getting to the paint. Lucas, Luca. When Luca making shot. Excuse me, guys. When Lucas making shots like that, you had his. You just hope he missed that, man. Take a one legged shot from 28ft, fall out of bounds, sitting into the next bench. What the hell you gonna do? The other night, he kissed one off the glass from 29ft. What the hell you gonna do with that?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, you look up on him.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

He can get by you. He's so herky jerky.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

He's so unorthodox. He ain't. He's not gonna beat you with speed. He's bigger than you think. He's stronger than you think. You looking at his body like, ah, this milk toast. I'M about to cook him. Okay. Cook him. Okay. Cook him.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It don't seem like he's supposed to be making some of the shots he take, but either. He took 16 threes tonight. Huh? He was five for 16 from the three. He took 25 shots. That boy don't mind shooting that side step, going left to that three. Doing.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. And on the fast break. Hey, he'll put. Hey. He'll stop and let it go. Hey. But you look, he's gonna have a high usage rate. He gonna. Look, the likelihood of him ever shooting 50% is not good because of the shot selection that he takes. He's not taking. You know, I mean, you. You look at him in the shots, you're like, Luca, you just gotta accept it.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You just gotta accept it.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Cause you. You want him to be aggressive. You want him to assert himself. You don't wanna. You can't take that away. Especially when LeBron's not playing you. Even when LeBron is playing, you still want him to be himself. But hey, hey, when you look at them Nicks, man, I told you. Hey, this season we're lost.

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[Host Chad Ochocinco]

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[Co-host Joe Johnson]

oh, yeah. How it's supposed to end. Your boy Yana is going to be in New York. I don't know how Bridges played 27 minutes and then scratch Lee. I mean, how they gonna win? They can't win like that, huh?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

He got power trouble early.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He can't get.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

First of all, he tried to be aggressive with Luca, and Luke is going to use that against you. He go, he gonna get you on his back, and then he gonna stop and then you gonna jump and he gonna boot you, bump it from the back. And then guess what you had free throw line. That's the same thing you. I mean, and I think the thing is you want to try to get up in the Luca, you want to try to be physical with him. Because that's the thing. Be physical with him. You try to take advantage of him. You put him in the pick and roll because he's their weakest defender. If you could say the Lakers have a weak defender. A weak is because they got a lot of weak defenders. But he might be the weak is. So you try to put him in the pick and roll. You try to get physical with him because, you know, to say the same thing about European players. They're not that physical. You know, you get physical with Yogic and you get physical with him. Yeah, yada, yada, I get all that. And so, you know, and he's probably done cried so much. Things like, man, I'm tired of the joker crying. I don't want to hear him cry tonight. So let's call some files. And he went to the free throw line because, remember, Joe, we talked about it the other night, he went to the free throw line 10 times. The other night he went to the free throw line four times.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he. Yeah, he went to the line 10 times. Yeah, but they, they, they. They need him to be like this, though. He, he, he has to be aggressive because his offense is his defense, fellas. You know what I mean? Like, if, if that ca. If that's the case, he completely took Bridges out of the game. He was a non factor. You know what I mean? So, yes, he done his job in that, in that Part, but they, they gonna need these other guys to step up, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, if you play, if you go against Luca, you got to give them at least half.

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He does.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Give you. Because if you don't, I mean, he gave you 35. Bridges gave you nothing. So he's plus 35 in that aspect.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. So you got to have him up at, at bare minimum you like to play him to a tie. Now the thing is, Joe, and the same thing with, with SGA or any play. Joe, if they get their numbers, let's just say Luca gets 30, 35 and it takes him 30 shots. Joe. I've done my job.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I've done my job. Yeah. Shay gets 35 and it takes him 28, 29 shots to get it. I've done my job. What I can't do is allow him to get 35 on 16. 17.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

There you go. There you go.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Cause now I know he's being extremely efficient now. He ate them 16 threes that he took. He made 11 of them. Now, now I'm in trouble, right? That's the thing with. If you get your numbers and I make. And I make you get those numbers being inefficient.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You gotta, hey, you gotta shake his hand.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Quarterback throw for 300, 350 yards, Ocho. And it taking 57 attempts. I can't do nothing about that. I just can't let him have 350 on 30 attempts.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Cause that just means if he got 350 or 30 attempts, Ocho, he probably completed 25 of them.

[Co-host D]

I mean, you know, you know, the funny thing about it is depending on who they play, when you, when you, when you play these special players, obviously, like a Shay, like a Luca, like a Joker, like a Wimby. And if you don't have a player that, that has the green light to be able to shoot in volume to match their point total, there has to be something else you can do to be able to stop them. Huh? Hey, Joe. Something else to slow him down. But every time we, every time we come on and we talk about the game of basketball and how difficult it is to slow them down, how difficult it is to contain them. I mean, it's, it's, it, it's bad. Especially when they only give you. Well, Luca in general, since that's who we talk about. They only give you on one end of the court.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They only give you. Do you realize that Wimby has more blocks than Joker in his career?

[Co-host D]

How he just got in the NBA.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly. That's just going to show you. That's my point. Yeah.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Joke ain't blocking no shot.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

No, that's not his game. His game is, is that I'm gonna punish you so bad.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

So bad on the offensive end. And I'm gonna get my teammates involved so much that you ain't gonna be able to do nothing. And if you don't, like I said, that's why he killed. Look, if you go back and look at his numbers against Gobert, because Gobert can't make him work, he's not gonna give you anything on the other end. So now Joker is just free to do whatever. Whatever he's gonna do.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

60 point, you know, triple double or whatever he's had.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hold your heart. I told you.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You got you. You gotta make a guy. You gotta make a guy like Jordan. You got to make a guy like Kobe. You've got to make them work on the other end. If you don't, if you let them coast,

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

gotta make them uncomfortable and.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And let them use all that energy on the offensive end, you're in trouble. You better make that baby work on the defense. And you got to make him guard somebody.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Facts, facts.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

That's why they always took Larry and put him on the week. You take Larry Bird and you put him on the weakest offensive guy. I want you to say that engine. I need you to bust their ass on the other end. That's why I always tip my hat to something like a. Like a Kobe or Jordan or these guys that are offensive guys and say, you know what? I want the defensive challenge as well. Yeah. Because it takes a lot. You got to exert a lot. And everybody can't do that. Now, Jordan didn't have a luxury that he had Scotty, so he could easily, like, you know what?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

A.K.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

scotty. And you talk about a guy that's six foot seven, that's have long arms that could slide his feet as well as a smaller player. But everybody don't got that.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You have to want to dominate the game, bro. They wanted to dominate the game. I'm talking about from start to finish. Yes, they wanted to dominate the game. It was no way that you had a chance to win, which is why they picked back then back in the day, when you look like we always talk about the top four to eight teams in the NBA. Really, probably four or five. They. They play tough defense, bro. They play extended pressure. They pick you up full, weigh you down like they were doing KD tonight. Picking them up full, wearing them down. That's what they going to do to you the whole entire game. And hopefully in the fourth quarter, you ain't got enough energy to continue to play at that peak level. You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

The Lakers beat the Knicks 110 to 97. LeBron James was a late scratch. Do a elbow contusion, arthritis in his right, in his left foot. Excuse me, but LA held the number three team on offense to just 47. Excuse me. Under 43% shooting with 19 turnovers, which is 20 points below the Knicks season average. Like I said, OG, excuse me. Mikhail Bridges only gave him zero points, but you look at. Rui came in, played really well, he gave him 13 points on three or eight from three. Marcus Mark, hey, he a defensive guy, but he didn't shoot the ball well today. But you had. Luca had 35, Austin Reeves had 25. And like I said, Joe, you and I were talking about this Luke Canard. Yeah, Luke Canard's been a content. Yeah, because they basically swapped Luke Canard for Gabe Vincent.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Vincent. Look, they got him after he had that great run with Miami. You know, he was a guy that made some three with a three and D guy. But it's. I don't know what it is, but when guys can shoot the ball wherever they are until they come to the Lakers or they team up with LeBron and all of a sudden they forget how to shoot the ball.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Too much pressure.

[Co-host D]

Different over there wearing that jersey, huh? It's different over there wearing that, that purple and gold, huh?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

A big city, bright lights, man. It's a little different. Hey, you know, you know what's going on.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Expectations. The number one kill, the number one killer is expectations. We've seen, we've seen guys with nothing expected. We've seen guys when nothing was expected or teams when nothing is expected of them and they woo. And then the next year when they have those expectations, what they do. Hey, because now we have expectations where we didn't have that last year. You have expectations on a player where we didn't have that last year. So let's see now what they. Now that they know what you can do, they know who you are, they know what type of team you are. All right.

[Co-host D]

Can you still do it again?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's the hard part, man. You have to, you have to be hungry for success to do that, bro. Like to want to do it over and over.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I thought they did a great job of. They didn't turn. They only had 13 turnovers. The Lakers. Luca had almost half of those. Yeah, but he's. He. Look, he has a high usage rates. The ball's gonna be in his hand. When you have the ball that much, it's hard for you not to turn it over in an abundance. It just is. Most guys that lead in usage gonna be up there in. In turnovers. Just the way I could go back and look at guys that's led in usage and see their turnovers, where they rate. Yeah, but this was a big way. They was. This was a big win for them. They. They needed it.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It was. It was a huge game, too. Huge game. Yeah, they. Hey, they. I'm telling y', all, man, if the Knicks don't do what they supposed to do this year, your boy. That's where your boy gonna be at. Watch. Watch.

[Co-host D]

The young bull from Greece.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Greek free did that this.

[Co-host D]

This season, huh?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Well, he. Well, you talking about. Hold on. He talking about he don't want no ball. Dominic Gard, what do you think, bro? They go trade Brunson?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, he go, hey, look, he gonna have to deal with this. You gonna have to get with it. Cuz, we. We got a plan now. Yeah. Ain't nobody trying to hear all that, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But if you think about it, with the exception of maybe San Antonio or every. All the really good teams got their ball dominant.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They got the ball with okc, who got. Who got who? Who has the ball with the Lakers? Who have. I mean, I don't think Boston's gonna break up their team. Boston swings the ball. Nah, they're not swinging. Cade has the ball. So I'm just trying to figure out where he think he gonna go.

[Co-host D]

And somebody as great as. As the Greek freak is right. You don't think he can adapt to a different situation where you don't have to touch the ball all the time, as great as you are?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

That's not who. That's how he. That's. No, that's not who he is. He's not kd. His.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

His numbers won't be as gaudy as they are now. It won't be 30 and 15.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He might have to take it down. Uncle Ocho be. Take it down about 20, 24, 25, and 12 or something, I'm saying. And be able to win the championship.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Man, what you doing over there? What y' all doing in Milwaukee over there? Y' all ain't got nothing going true. You ain't got nothing Going, would you?

[Co-host D]

So I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if he is to go to the Knicks, so that means basically, if he does bring the ball up, I mean. Nah, that don't make no sense.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He would have times. Ocho. I'm not. I'm not saying they're gonna take the ball out of his hands, but it just probably won't be as much.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And we.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

We got options. We can.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You know, y' all just gotta have a high usage rate. Look at Yanis's uses, right? He got to be top five.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Some good games today, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I. I think the thing is, all things being equal, Joe, Giannis really prefers. Because Giannis knows he's gonna be looked at differently if he leaves now. Because we look at all the guys, what do we. What do we commend Jordan for? He won six championships in one spot. What did Kobe do? Five championships in one spot. Tim Duncan, one spot. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, one spot. Steph Curry, one spot. What do we criticize? LeBron, KD.

[Co-host D]

But hold on.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Giannis knows what comes.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hold on, Joe. But look at the team. Look at. Look at all the players. You name that done it in one spot. Look at the teams that were built around those said players that you just mentioned. The teams where LeBron is played for, did they have anything that matches up or were even equivalent to the other four on the team that they played?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

People don't care about that. No, they. I. We do. Joe, do basketball. A lot of basketball people does. If you're not trying to paint a narrative, because what they say if you is great. If you're the goat, you. You should be able to win a championship regardless of who you play with.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

That's tough.

[Co-host D]

You know, that supporting cast matter. That's. That's in any sport, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Teams. See, the thing is, as long as a team can troll. What a team traded him. So now the team traded you. That's. That's okay. But if I request to go to a team because the team isn't good enough, or the team trades me because they want to bring a player in to try to win, right now I want to go somewhere because you not bring a players in to try to win, and I want to go somewhere, you use that against me.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I just don't. I don't want to see a situation where Giannis gets stuck in a situation to where he's playing meaningless basketball.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't nobody doing that.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, I know he's been there his whole entire career and probably don't want to uproot and move to. But this is a different era. This ain't. This ain't. You know what I mean?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Not the 80s and 90s.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

No, this. This ain't that.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Like, these guys, they caught KG in that situation. KG came into the 90s and guys were loyal, didn't want to leave until they're on their last. Last legs. And K. Kg probably stay four years too long in Minnesota.kg.kg was supposed to be and got up out of there, but KG wanted to be loyal to the soil.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And he'll tell you, he. He probably wish he would have left early. He could have had him a couple championships. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's like, I know Giannis got one and he wanted to stick around in Milwaukee. He's saying all the right things, but

[Co-host D]

hey, man, wouldn't it. Wouldn't Dame Lillard also be an example of the same thing? Stand somewhere.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Co-host D]

A little bit too long because you want to be loyal.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But you see, now we put in so much because it's the ring or nothing. See, used to be it was. It wasn't like that.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But this ring culture now, because fans say, well, there have been some great players that don't have rings, and you have second and third and fourth options that have rings, and they got people saying they're better than a one option that doesn't have rings.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

There are some guys that got rings, and people actually think they're better than Charles Barkley, they're better than Carl Malone. And you're high.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They tripping.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But because people have placed so much value on rings. Me, I'm. I'm an itest guy. Yeah. Rings. Now, if I'm factoring in Joe, if I'm saying est greatest, I think you have to bring rings into the occasion. And even though I understand that this is a team game.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I factor it all back. I factor in regular season MVPs, final MVPs, all NBA, all defensive, all that points, rebounds. I bring all that into the equation because I think you have to when you're saying greatest. But these people, I mean, a lot of people like, oh, he ain't got no rings. He bad people like, they crap on Charles Barkley. If you actually saw Chuck play, if you actually saw him play, you'll never see another guy six foot four under lead the NBA. And reboundings he did that dominated. Charles Barkley was a power forward at six foot four. And back then Everybody played with a true five and a true boy. Please. Yeah, everybody had a big. And they had a big ass power forward to go alongside him. So you had Robert Paris at seven foot and then you had Kevin McKel at 16. You had Ralph Sampson at 74. You had AEM Elijah one at seven foot. Yeah, that's how everybody played. You had Rick Smiths and you had them big ass Davis boys in Indiana, everybody played that. Everybody played with a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It wasn't no stretch nothing.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Nah, no, sir.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And I, look, I, I get it, but now, I mean, you got guys. Oh, man, he got a ring. He better. There are a lot of guys, there are a lot of receivers that got rings. So if y' all say so now, receiver, they got a ring. He better than Randy. He better than Tio. Okay, I'll let y' all say that. I ain't got to call no name, but there have been some teams that, that's won some Super Bowls and bless them, you, you've been fortunate of a team. I was a part of a team. I ain't win no 2. I was part of a team that won because I understand that it takes a team to win championships. Boy, let's not fool ourselves now. Let's not fool ourselves. There's some quarterbacks that's won championships and quarterbacks that have it. Yeah, come on now.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But social media has done that because what is done is that it's allowed everybody to have opinion and have their opinion heard.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Whereas. And so, so now. Oh, he better, he better, he better. I listened to the Michael Jordan because I saw that pop up and he's like, like, I ain't gonna get a part in this goat conversation. He said, you know why? He said, because I didn't play against those guys in their era and I didn't play against these guys in these era. He said it's not to take anything. KD, I think KD and LeBron. He said Kobe, he like, Kobe caught me not in my prime. He called me to tail in.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

But no. And it's hard. It's hard to compare errors because errors do different things. Some eras, they mainly ran the football Ocho. So how you gonna say a guy. Well, he only caught. Yeah. Liz wan only caught 300 passes. But they only, I mean three. I mean, I think he had 300 catches for a career. But they might throw the ball 200 times a season. So if you throw the ball 200 times a season on show how many passes you think they Gonna catch. When you divide it up between four wide receivers and two tight ends.

[Co-host D]

Yeah, you right.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And running back stats now are not going to be like they were because they don't run the ball or you got a two back system.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

And he got rid of the running back.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

The old, the old, the, the. I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna see. Derek Henry might be the last traditional power.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

I can't hear y'. All.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Is it my phone? You back?

[Co-host D]

It went out for a little minute.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay. Huh? No, I think. Can you hear. You guys hear me now?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought, I thought my stuff had went out over here. I'm gonna say okay.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Jalen Brown has scored 23 points, nine rebounds, eight assists at the Celtics beat the Cavaliers 109 to 98. Jason Tatum in his second game back had 20 points. So after, you know, his second game back, I think he had what, 12 points or 15. No, he had 15 points the first game. With 12 rebounds? Yeah, he had 20. So you see the improvement there. Hit a big three to push the game out of reach. And I think he had a tweet that says, girl, I missed you. I think he said something like that. But he had on 27 minutes, he had 20 points on 6 or 16, shooting 2 or 9 from the 3, 6 or 7 from the free throw line. JB was 7 of 17, 1 of 3, 809 from the 3 point line. He had 23 points. Peyton Pritchard, 18 points, 7 12. And hey, I don't know who this kid is, this, this, this left handed Scrammerman, Shearman, but man, he would let that thing fly.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Cause every time they got close, he'd be, hey, he'd be spotted up in the corner. Who is he?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Hey, Boston looks scary now, though.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, uncle. Hey.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

All right, Joe, Joe, that, hey, Joe, that's the, that's what you on the court and somebody hit a three. You like.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. I'm. I'm surprised, I'm surprised, you know, I mean, man, Jason, Jason, you know, obviously I, I was worried, especially coming out, coming off that injury, but seeing what he did first game 15 this game, he had 20. And I'm sure, I mean, he played 27 minutes a night. And as he gets a little bit more comfortable, gets a little bit more acclimated to the speed of the game and everything catches up, he gets back in rhythm, man, hell, they might be hell to deal with again. There was already without Jason Tatum. Now you add him back into the fold. You know, I'm sitting here talking about, you know, let Jason Tatum work yourself back and you know, work yourself back into, into the game. You know, let Jalen Brown steal the ship. Well, hell, you came back and ain't miss a goddamn beat, man.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Listen, once he gets back fine tuning Uncle Ocho and that'll be right, right. Probably when the playoffs about to hit.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He'll be comfortable enough to where he know he got the strength in that leg and that Achilles and he kind of get it out of his mind. Yeah, man. Push them right back at the top of the, at the Eastern Conference.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, dang.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They just, they, they because it, cause it makes them so deep. And now you got another guy who you can rely on as far as closing out games, managing games, taking the initiative, guarding some of the top guys. Put Boston right back at the top, bro.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, I, I, I, I think I agree with you. And we're gonna talk about Detroit, who's, who's been struggling as of late. I don't know what it is with Cleveland.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It's just, you just don't believe in them at this time of the year, do you?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, Uncle, I don't think you

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

should and I don't think anybody else does or should.

[Co-host D]

Two head, two headed monster.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It's that they, it's, it's they complimentary pieces. I don't see nobody who's gonna win them a game in a playoff. In a tough playoff series like you think Harden, Mitchell and Mobley, they, they gonna be solid. I think they'll be good enough to, you know, to, to win a couple games. But you're gonna need somebody who, gonna have an out of body experience like Ocho in the postseason for you to, you know, for you to advance, bro. Like you need a little luck when you, when you in the playoffs.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Like you can have your great players

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

play great, but you're gonna need somebody

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

to be able to step up and

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

have one of them nights where they had 18 to 25 points and we get that dub and I just don't see it. I feel like when I watch, when I watch Cleveland play, they have to work so hard to score the basketball that it hadn't really looked real free flowing. Like when you watch Boston, like when you watch okc, like when you watch San Antonio, when you watch these top teams play, they just don't move the ball like that.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. And, and, and Evan Mobley had a good game today. He had 24 points, eight rebounds. Yeah. Donovan Mitchell shot 50 from the floor. He had 30 points. Harden had 19. 10 and four, but that was it. You get seven points from Dean Wade. You get five from Merrill, 107 from the three for him. Thomas, Bryant, Schroeder, Jalen Tyson. I don't. I just don't know. You're not beating. You're not beating anybody with 13. With 13 bench points. Yeah. No.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You in trouble because the one thing

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

you know about Boston, Peyton Pritchard coming up the bench, he gonna give you 15.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. 35 while you playing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, let. Let. Let. Let you know. He like, okay, I'm cool. I'll sit back, like JT Back and JB Doing what he does. But let one of them be out, right, and see what he do. And then put his ass in the start lineup or let it. Or don't put him in the start lineup, but let him get 35 minutes and see what he did. Let him cook. Let him cook.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host D]

He efficient as hell. And Joe, anytime you get an opportunity, whether it's off the bench or where they're starting, he gonna give you that work.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

When I watched him today, I was like, man, he's shooting. Step back. I mean, he's shooting turnarounds, step backs. Ball high as a mofo.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Okay. Hey. Confidence through the roof. Yeah.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Swish.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So look, you know, he's so confident. Cause he done played. He been the starting point guard a lot throughout this whole season. So his confidence through the roof. He in the right spot. He in the right spot. He need to be in. Come in, give us that spark plug. And we might need you to go for 30 tonight.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And he can do it.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, with no problem.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I think the thing is, it's going to take Schroeder some time. Shrewd is a guy that can win your game. We. We've seen Shooter play well in the postseason. We saw him play well for the Lakers. We saw him play well last year for Detroit against the. Against the Knicks. So Schroeder has some experience. We'll see how that work out. But they need their big guns. Harden, Donovan, Evan Mobley. Now they were missing Jared Allen. But they're gonna need their big guns to be firing. Yeah, without them firing, they're not. They're not going to do anything, and they're not going anywhere. Detroit.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Right, right. I agree. Only thing about Shooter Unk, you got Harden and Mitchell. Both of them gonna. One of them gonna always be on the court at all times, and they gonna always have the ball in their hands.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

And Schroeder needs the ball, and Schroeder

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

kind of needs the ball. So it's hard for him to be effective. You know what I mean?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. Pistons were blown out by the Miami Heat.

[Lowe's Advertiser]

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[Co-host D]

Yeah. By. They were blown out by who?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Blowing out the number one seed. They blew a 20 something point lead. The Bucks. Excuse me. Detroit did. Blew a 20 something point lead to Brooklyn and ended up losing. Tobias Harris had nine. Jaylen Duran had 24. Cade was efficient today. Only 18. Only had 26, Paul Reed. But this game wasn't even close.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Nah, you just. You don't have enough firepower. Detroit, offensively, like, that's. That's a great game by Cade. But for them to win, Uncle Ocho, like I said, he always has to play lights out kind of over, over and beyond. Like, he probably need about 35 tonight, honestly. But you need these other guys around them to step up, bro, and be effective and be able to help. I don't know what's wrong with Detroit, man.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

They have tape it. I don't know if they got bored cause they got such a big lead on everybody or what.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'm trying to figure out what happened to Norman Powell, why they're not playing him. The guy that could have been an all star.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

He was all stuff.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

All star.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was all star. Yeah. He must be hurt.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

DMP coaching decision. But Detroit's gonna have to do better defensively. I mean, man, they let six guys getting double figures. Bam had 24. Tyler Hero had 25, Pale Larson had 10. Jaime Hake of 19, Kayl Ware 12.

[Co-host D]

But you also. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. But y' all both got to understand. Chat. Y' all also have to understand what the Pistons had to deal with tonight. The Pistons were playing the best team in the East. You hear me? Playing the best team in the East. So y' all sitting here confused on why Detroit look and why they've tape it off. But hello, look who you playing? You playing the best team probably. Probably the team that gonna come out East. It might not look like it right now, but I'm just telling you what's gonna happen. Wait, come again? What you said?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Okay, I don't got them coming out the east of Joe, but they gonna. They'll make. They'll make some noise. They got some guys who capable and guys who can go off and have big games and. And they well coached, bro. You know, them dudes ain't gonna really do a whole lot to hurt themselves. You know, you just got to be disciplined when you play them, but they, I mean, this don't surprise me that they beat Detroit. I think they definitely capable of doing that. I just. You talk about a series.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host D]

Hey, hey, Joe, hold on. Joe, don't do that now. We talk about this. We talk about a seven game series, boy. It's a rap, you know?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

You know, you know what you mean?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

It's a real nation.

[Co-host D]

What you mean? What I mean? We got this.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we.

[Co-host D]

Right.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You don't believe.

[Co-host D]

We rise to the occasions in moments that matter. So in the seven game series, if, if, if it happens, which is gonna happen when we come out east, you know, somebody going home, I don't know who it's gonna be, but the fat lady gonna sing. You don't believe in the Heat?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Co-host D]

Okay, okay. Can I, can. I can ask you a question?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Co-host D]

You not believing in the Heat, are you willing to put money in that belief or you just saying it because you just, you just.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

They're not coming out the East. Yes, I put money on the Heat are not coming out of the East.

[Co-host D]

All right, we. We going to leave it at that. I want you to remember these words. I want Ash, I want you to clip this statement from Unk. And we want. Keep it at that.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. But during Joe, he can't give you 24 and five. What do you need? Seven foot tall. He got to be double digit rebounds.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he, he need to be double digit rebounds. But they don't get like, you know, Bam don't really. He. He the center, but he like the point center. He kind of like similar to. Yeah, bring it up. He'll initiate the offense so he ain't just under the basket all the time. You know what I mean? So you, that's what you want to have. You want to have a big. Who can pull them big guys away from that basket and get them to where they are uncomfortable. And I think that's pretty much what happened because Bam, he had a great game today. He had a great game today too.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, the Bam got up 10 threes.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he been shooting the three lately. He been shooting three later. They, they look good. You know, Miami does this. Oo, you know, they come out, they have a great game, they play well, they get them a nice little seed, and then, you know, it'll be, it'll be first round. I'm just keeping it real, man. You, you want me to be honest?

[Co-host D]

I want you to be honest, Joe. But didn't you play, didn't you play for the Heat, Joe?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I played for The Heat way. Had a good old time.

[Co-host D]

I don't, I don't, I don't like your tone. I only. I. I don't like what you. I don't like what you putting out there in the atmosphere. The tongue is powerful, Joe.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

I have to be honest when I'm on here talking to you, I have to be honest.

[Co-host D]

So that's, that's, that's. So that's. Both of y' all don't have no faith in the heat?

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Co-host D]

All right, say less.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. Meanwhile, the Pistons have lost four games in a row. O. Joe, Joe, Is it time to panic?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Nah, ain't no time to panic, man. They gotta get, they just gotta get back. They gotta get it back together. Like I said, they got such a big lead on everybody in the East. I think they didn't got a little bored, Uncle Ocho. Me personally, you know what I mean? Oh, man, we got a few games we probably could squander over, but they gotta, they, they gotta get back on track now. They're staying winding down.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I don't like that. For the simple fact you ain't won nothing to be bored. Yeah, you should get tired. You should get bored of winning champions. I mean, people get sometimes and you have a little low when you won a championship. They ain't worth nothing.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

You right. You right.

[Host Chad Ochocinco]

I'm concerned because you lost to the Nets. You got a 20 something point lead and you lose to the Nets. You can't lose to the Nets.

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

That's why, that's why, that's why I put it toward them getting bored. Because I'm like, man, they were beating the Nets head in. It's like. And you lose that game, man, you done got bored, bro. You, I, I don't know what to tell you. Like, you need to, you know, get it back in gear, but, you know, it's starting to wind on down, man. I expect for them to tighten up, make this late run.

[Co-host D]

Hey, Joe. I think they're gonna be all right, Uncle Joe. You know, even in battle, some of the best luck is going to slumps. You hear me?

[Co-host Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Co-host D]

You know they gonna be straight.

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