Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby Gets EJECTED for ELBOW + Knicks COMPLETE SWEEP vs Sixers

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 — Wemby Gets EJECTED for ELBOW + Knicks COMPLETE SWEEP vs Sixers

Date: May 11, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho), and Joe "ISO Joe" Johnson
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This episode recaps a dramatic NBA playoff night featuring Victor Wembanyama’s ejection for a flagrant 2 foul, the Minnesota Timberwolves tying the series with the San Antonio Spurs, and the New York Knicks sweeping the Philadelphia 76ers with a record-setting shooting display. The trio offers in-depth, candid analysis, blending sharp insight, humor, and personal experience.

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Key Topics & Breakdown

1. Wembanyama Ejected, Timberwolves Tie Series (02:15–25:40)

Opening Recap (02:15 – 04:31):

• Shannon Sharpe welcomes the audience, recaps the Timberwolves’ 114–109 win over the Spurs.
• Discusses the momentum shift after Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”) was ejected for a flagrant 2 elbow.
• Highlights Anthony “Ant Man” Edwards’ performance:

  “Ant man played 40 minutes. He had 36 points, six rebounds... six of those guys in double figures. Give San Antonio credit. They played extremely well without their best player on the court. But I think it was just a little bit too much for them to overcome.” (05:36)

Impact of Ejection (07:08 – 10:21):

• Joe and Ocho analyze how the game leveled out after Wemby’s departure.
• Joe:

  “Without Wemby, it’s a pretty even damn game... If you love two way players, this was great... But Wemby's the biggest difference maker, man.” (07:08)

• Ocho credits Timberwolves’ execution under pressure; discusses the psychological tactic of antagonizing stars.

Assessing the Ejection & Wemby’s Response (09:58 – 14:47):

• Shannon:

  “You hate to see Wimby get thrown out... but in that situation, he earned the right to get thrown out because it was excessive... It caught him cold in the jaw.” (09:58)

• Notable moment: Wemby's confusion over the ejection, asking, “What does that mean?” after the announcement.
• The panel agrees Wemby will likely be fined, not suspended for Game 5.

Physicality, Adjustment, and Series Outlook (14:47 – 21:56):

• Discussion about physical play against Wemby:

  “For a guy who’s 7’5”, Uncle Ocho, I ain’t seen nobody on the floor as much as him. He hit the floor almost every other play.” – Joe (14:06)

• Predicting Wemby’s Game 5 mindset:

  “He’s going to come out with intent. They’re going to look to get him the ball early... I would not be surprised if he had a triple double.” — Shannon (15:27)

• Conversation on Ant Man’s versatile scoring and composure as his health improves.
• Ocho:

  “They got to find a way to neutralize him in some kind of way of slowing down. If you can’t slow him down, you know he gonna always get his. You got to deal with the other folk.” (09:44)

Timberwolves’ Offensive Versatility & Tactics (19:16 – 25:39):

• Praise for Edwards' shot selection, limiting three-point attempts to maintain aggression, drawing a Michael Jordan parallel.
• Critical analysis of lineups, matchups, the impact of Wemby’s rim protection:

  “When Wemby went out, why the hell would I shoot a three? Boy, I’m coming in here. Ole!” – Joe (21:15)

Key Takeaway:

• The panel expects Wemby to return with focus and intensity:

  “I think Wemby’s going to come out there and he’s going to be on a mission.” – Shannon (18:49)

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2. Knicks’ Historic Sweep of 76ers (39:50–68:44)

Knicks’ Shooting Display (39:50 – 43:55):

• Knicks hit 18 threes in a half, tie NBA record; 144 points is their playoff franchise record.
• Ocho calls out the skeptics:

  “I told you what was gonna happen. Y’all ain’t believing me... We talk about the Knicks, huh? What we talk about?” (41:23)

• Joe admits misjudgment:

  “I get the Knicks their credit, but I ain’t no hater... They want. They winning the hustle. Last three games... They did a number on them boys.” (43:15)

Breakdown of Sixers Deficiency & Embiid’s Longevity (44:40 – 61:13):

• Honest debate over Joel Embiid’s future due to injuries and his massive new contract.
• Shannon:

  “He’s been in the league 10 years. He’s played at least 68 games once... How do I build a team around that?” (44:47)

• Joe on team fit:

  “I’m looking at facial expressions, I’m looking at gestures. It don't look like they really enjoy playing with big Fella.” (56:13)

• Ocho speculates that a change of scenery might help Embiid, despite his health record:

  “It just take one team that feel that a change of scenery might do him justice.” (55:48)

Knicks’ Depth, Guard Play, and Chemistry (65:07 – 67:54):

• Joe & Shannon praise Josh Hart’s energy, the team’s defensive stoppers:

  “Josh Hart has been playing amazing... It’s all effort, bro. And he making shots.” – Joe (65:25)

• Shannon highlights the team’s relationships and chemistry built through college teammates and acquisitions.

Knicks’ Offensive Balance and Cat’s Growth (67:03 – 68:44):

• Analysis of Karl-Anthony Towns’ role and approach during the playoffs.
• Insight into his personal resilience after the loss of his mother.

  “He really, really a good dude... what he’s had to deal with with his mom. His mom was his best friend.” – Shannon (68:21)

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you playing with that basketball around Fox, partner, he probably gonna get his hands on it, okay?” – Joe (07:08)
• “You hate to see Wimby get thrown out of the ball game, but I thought in that situation he earned the right to get thrown out because it was excessive.” – Shannon (09:58)
• “He [Wemby] is such a difference maker... And Rudy is going to have to have an out of body experience... He gonna have to do everything he can.” – Ocho (25:26)
• “The Knicks made 18 three pointers which tied an NBA record for a regular season or a half to lead by 24... 144 points today, the most in playoff franchise history.” – Shannon (39:55)
• “When the Knicks go to the finals, right? I want the apologies to be just as loud as the disrespect.” – Ocho (72:39)

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4. Timestamps and Section Highlights

• 02:15–04:31 — Game recap & panel introductions
• 05:35–08:41 — Timberwolves’ balanced offense, analysis of Wemby ejection impact
• 09:58–14:47 — Ejection details, playoff intensity, composure discussion
• 19:16–25:39 — Edwards’ shot selection, attacking without Wemby, rim protection
• 39:50–43:55 — Knicks’ historic shooting night, Ocho’s “told you so”
• 44:40–61:13 — Sixers’ struggles, Embiid’s availability & contract, team dynamics
• 65:07–67:54 — Knicks’ chemistry, Josh Hart's hustle, Cat’s personal growth

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Summary and Flow

This episode is a masterclass in real, unfiltered playoff analysis. Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco, and Joe Johnson break down the crucial impact of Victor Wembanyama’s ejection on the Spurs-Timberwolves series, anticipate how Wemby’s suspension (or lack thereof) shapes Game 5, and marvel at Anthony Edwards’ growing dominance.

The panel pivots to the Knicks’ electrifying sweep of the Sixers, dissecting their franchise-record shooting, calling out predictions gone wrong, and dissecting the perennial question of Joel Embiid’s future in Philly. Ocho takes several “victory laps” on his predictions, while Joe and Shannon own up to their misreads with laughs and humility. Personal stories, playful ribbing, and references to classic NBA history and player psychology make for an engaging, insightful listen.

For fans who missed the episode:
This summary covers all the essential basketball talk—Wemby’s ejection and its ripple effects, the Timberwolves’ gutsy win, New York's red-hot offense and team chemistry, and a frank, sometimes hilarious post-mortem on the Sixers and Joel Embiid’s career arc.

Ocho on the Knicks:

“When the Knicks go to the finals... I want the apologies to be just as loud as the disrespect. I don’t want nobody to question my ball knowledge when it comes to basketball after this.” (72:39)

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Listen For

• Inside stories on playoff discipline and coaching decisions
• Sharp statistical analysis and “old school” references
• Lighthearted, competitive banter and expert breakdowns
• Valuable lessons on playoff adjustments, poise, and leadership

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End of Content Summary
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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Ocho]

I'm hype.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ant man played 40 minutes. He had 36 points, six rebounds, two assists, 13 of 22. But Julius Randall had 12 points. Jaden McDaniels had 14 points. Rudy Gobert had a double double 11 and 13. Nas Reed chipped in with 15 points. He was three or three from the free throw line. Mike Conley perfect from the field, two or two field goals, two or two from the three point line. Terence Shannon Jr. Had eight points. So basically everybody that played scored at least eight points with six of those guys in double figures. Give San Antonio credit. They held they, they played extremely well without their best player on the court. But I think it was just a little bit too much for them to overcome. Dylan Harper was sensational tonight. Castle played well. Versaille de' Aaron Fox, champagne. Guys played well. But Vic, you know, you get your, your best player only plays 12 minute guys. You're asking an awful lot. You're not talking about just a regular starter. You talk about a defensive player of the year. We're talking about an MVP candidate. And you saw the stat that they put on the screen. You look, they were 8 for 18 in pink, but then he leaves the game, they're 6 for 8. And I believe that was the difference in the ball game. Joe, we got ourselves a series. Now it goes back to San Antonio. The, the spurs did what they wanted to do. They came in and they got at least one game they wanted to make, extend this series. And that's what they were able to do. They would have loved to gotten both of these ball games and there's a chance they could have, but they didn't. How was Minnesota able to withstand everything that San Antonio threw at him and still come away with a victory?

[Joe]

Well, I mean, okay, Ocho, we gotta be honest, you know, without Wimby, it's a pretty even damn game. Yes, sir, if you want me to be honest. This is for people who really enjoy, you know, the game of hoops. Like when you talk about getting buckets, when you talking about growing up playing in the park, bro. And you know, Anka, Ocho, you got guys who can really score the ball and you got guys who can defend. I think this was. If you love two way players, this was great because you got Castle, Versaille, Fox, Harper. Man, all these guys are great off the dribble, but so is antman, the Samu, McDaniels, Shannon. I just thought, man, it was great basketball once Wemby went out. Hell, I ain't know who was going to win. I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, I thought Fox got it going late and Wimby's the biggest difference maker, man. Timberwolves have made this a series. But bruh, I'm talking about bucket after bucket, tough defense, making tough baskets, like just coming up clutch. Hey, look, let me tell you something. If you playing with that basketball around Fox, partner, he probably gonna get his hands on it, okay?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That boy is sitting down, babe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man.

[Joe]

Hey, hey. Oh, some ball, man. The game tonight, I ain't gonna lie to you. But without Wimpy, I mean, I think the spurs are still. They still competed. Yeah. At one point I thought they were really gonna pull away and win this game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I did too.

[Joe]

But Minnesota did what they had to do, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They.

[Joe]

They evened up the series. Now they got to go back to San Antonio. But a hell of a ball game tonight.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, uncle and Joe. I was kind of nervous. I was kind of nervous for the Wolves, obviously, when Wemby went out early in the second quarter. Obviously he has to learn to keep his composure, especially in situations like that. But this is exactly what you want to do to their best player. You want to antagonize him, you want to frustrate him, you want to be in a jersey, you want to be in a chess and get him to have moments like this, you know, but almost it seemed like the spurs were still going to pull this off until the Wolves were able to. To. To come away with it towards the end of the game. That goddamn Ant, man, was phenomenal. Ant was phenomenal. And obviously he was playing on both end. They were trying to trap him a little bit. But one of the reasons why I think, I think the, the Wolves did win this game. Free throws were 91% from three, three point from three point line. They were 37% and they went on the glass. It was 49%. Outside of that, I mean, you got to figure out what you're gonna do with Wimby in game four. Wait, game four? Game five? Game five?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Game five?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Game five. You got to find a way to, to neutralize him in some kind of way of slowing down. If you can't slow him down, you know he gonna always get his. You got to deal with the other folk. You got to deal with other four people outside of that. That was a goddamn good, that was a good ass game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It was an outstanding ball game. Both teams competed. That's what you wanted to see. You hate to see Wimby get thrown out of the ball game, but I thought in that situation he earned the right to get thrown out because he, it was excessive. It was above the head and shoulder area. I mean, it caught him cold in the jaw. But the thing was so surprising is that when they said it over the PA announcer, you see him grab Harrison Barnes and say, what does that mean?

[Ocho]

What does that mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he said, you're out of the game. He's like, oh. And you know, because he had, he had no idea. You know, he heard flagrant too excessive and X, Y and Z. He didn't know. He had no idea. I don't think he realized that he could be thrown out. And he definitely didn't think he was going to be thrown out. Because a lot of times, Joe, in Ocho, you know this, in certain situations, the playoff game in the regular season is a no brainer. They ain't even taking that long, right? They, they going over there to look. Oh yeah, man, that's, that's excessive. He up out of here. But they like, guys, we gotta throw him out. Did you see the force in which he landed that? And it was malicious. And it doesn't matter intent. Intent only matters to Wimy because guess what, Nas Reed, y' all was still locked and he's on the floor and his head is hurting. So it doesn't matter if he intended to do it or not. I don't think they really had a choice in that matter. But I want to commend the San Antonio Birds for still competing the way they competing because this game really didn't get decided until like the last 30 seconds in the ball game because they almost got a, a, a 8 second clock, a 8 second call because they had the sumo trapped in the back corner. Yeah, one thing you don't want to do in a situation like that, Joe, you know, you don't want to get caught in the corner because they know where you can go. You can't throw the ball up because you mess around and hit the back of the, the back of the. Hit the goal. Hit the goal.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And can't nobody. You can't see anybody. So they had him trapped. Good thing Chris Finch had one more time out. He ran and Williams was able to see him. The referee was able to see him and get that call. But they almost got him in an 8 second clock. And it been very interesting to see what happened after that. Go ahead.

[Ocho]

OO Now I, I have a question, Uncle Joe. You, you, y' all would probably know better than I do. And when you, when you get thrown at a game like this, obviously you still have to, you still got to get disciplined. They not, will they go as far as suspending Wimy for game five or they just let this go?

[Joe]

I don't think they'll suspend.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, they're not going to suspend it for game five. He'll get fined.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Anytime you get thrown out of a ball game, it's a fine.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, they're not gonna, they're not gonna sue. That'll be excessive. And they're not gonna. And, and you know you're not because the one thing you don't want to do is tilt the, the balance of power. Now we've seen it happen before, Joe. I don't know if you were still there when a start when, when, when Amari Stoudlemon them you got the guys.

[Joe]

I was gone.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You remember that? And Robert or bumped him and they came off and they shoved him and David Stern threw their ass out and he suspended him for the next game. And it really wasn't a series. It wasn't, it wasn't even, it wasn't even close after that because you lose Robert Ori, but you lose two star players from the San Antonio Phoenix Sun. But I don't think that's going to be the case in this situation. And because the game was already over in that situation in the Phoenix, San Antonio game, it was only like what a minute to go in the ball game. So you had to have some sort of discipline because you don't want guys coming off the bench. That's why they say if you own the bench, stay your ass there. Because normally if you come off the bench, it's going to be an automatic suspension. But in this situation, I do not see Wimby getting any further discipline. But I think in that situation it's not a prank where he earned, he, he, he, he earned that. He didn't deserve it. He earned it. And he's like, well bro, look how he threw that thing.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he, he threw that thing with some conviction now. And you know, and, and, and, and for him it's kind of out of Character, too. We haven't seen him act like this. But it's also a good thing. I'm not gonna let y' all push and shove me around and think y' all just gonna handle me any old kind of way.

[Joe]

Nah. Hey, hey. Nah. It ain't no damn good thing, Ojo. Control your damn emotions out there. This.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joey, hold on. Joey. Talk about basketball. Now, we see this happen all the time.

[Joe]

Now, listen. Listen. This is what the Timberwolves are designed to do. Hell, how you gonna stop Wimpy? We gonna get his ass up out of here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just said that. You're right.

[Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You right.

[Joe]

Do whatever we can to frustrate him. Putting our hands on him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Putting bodies on him. For a guy who's 7 5, Uncle Ocho, I ain't seen nobody on the floor as much as him. He hit the floor almost every other play, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? And I just think the T. Wolves are being physical with him, and he got a bit frustrated, you know what I mean? That's why when they told him on the bench, he was like, what that mean? And then he just started dapping everybody up because I felt like he kind of knew the intent that he brought with that. And he.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, no drawback.

[Joe]

He was like, okay, fine. You know that my teammates up, y' all go out here, y' all try and win this game. I'm be in the back.

[Ocho]

He.

[Joe]

He. He didn't give no disruption about that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nope.

[Joe]

I felt so. He knew. He knew he had done something that he probably shouldn't have. You know what I mean? Yes. And.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I. Joe and I think come game, I think you're gonna. I think you game five, you're gonna see the best. Wimy. He's gonna come out with intent. He. They're gonna look to get him the ball early. Yeah, they're going to look to establish him, and he wants to send a message. Okay, Y' all won game four. Y' all got me up out of there, but this is why y' all got me up out of there, because I'm finna get Rudy this work. And don't y' all bring. If y' all bring that thing anywhere near, if it's in Hennepin County, I'm throwing it up out of here. I just. You. You better be in Duluth, you better be in St. Paul. You better pay. Don't you bring that to Minneapolis. Because you bring it to Minneapolis, I'm throwing it up out of here.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would not be surprised if he had a triple double. Another triple double with blocks. Because he's gonna be on a mission now. He the thing is now you gotta control those emotions. It's okay to play with control chaos. Yes sir. Cause that's what you want. You won't control chaos. But as I said, control. Amazon Pharmacy Presents Painful Thoughts it's been

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

know, for him that's going to be the biggest key is for them to get to emergency. Look here we want you to be, we want you to be Wimby, but you got to control it. They're going to be watching you now. So no, hey, you get the ball. If they tie you up, they not winning a jump ball situation. But anything like this here, they're going to be looking for it. Yeah, let's control it. We got the team that can beat these guys. But I think you're going to see, I think Wimby's going to come out there and he's going to be on a mission.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, but hold up now, hold up. I want y' all to take heed to something now. It's a guy out there, he's steady getting healthy about a minute. And that's Ant man. Yeah, he ain't got, he ain't got that full explosion yet. But man, I'm talking about Uncle Ocho. When you talking about get to your spots and understand in the moment. You know, him and Castle got a little Georgia boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, they're going back and forth.

[Joe]

Yeah, some more going in. Hey, them boys locking up. Them boys making tough shots. But Ant man in another gear, fellas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

I mean, okay, Ocho. I feel like each and every game he's starting to get better. He's starting to gain a little bit of that strength back, but it's hard to stay in front of him. And boy, when he making that jump shot, it's a rap.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You had his mercy.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, if he, if he get one or two of them guys to come along with him, I don't care if it's Randall McDaniel, Shannon, I don't care who it is. Hey, man, they got a good chance to upset these boys, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah, they got.

[Joe]

Hey, they ain't Gay. Hey,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

when. You know what I liked about Ant man today? Minimal three point attempts. Sometimes Joe, he fall in love with that and he's 8, 10, 12, 14. That's too many. And I understand he can make that shot. He's added that to his bag. But it takes him out of a rhythm of being aggressive. And I used to remember Michael Jordan says, well, I don't want to shoot threes. He said, because if it starts to fall, it takes me out of my aggressiveness. I want to be on attack mode. I want to attack your ass. And if I'm sitting down there hitting his threes, it's gonna make me. It's gonna take me out of my game. And then when I really need it, I'm not there. I don't have that rhythm. And so I thought Ant man today only attempting five three point attempts. How many? Yeah, five three point attempts. I thought that was perfect because it kept him aggressive, guys. I think it kept him trying to get, like you said, Joe, getting to his spot, putting the ball, like I said. If you notice, he ain't really doing a whole lot of dunking because like you said, Joe, it ain't all the way back, but it's enough explosive there that he can rise up and shoot that shot.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. And then think about it. Hell, when Wimby went out, why the hell would I shoot a three? Boy, I'm coming in here. Oh, lay, you hear me? Stop me now because the second line of defense. Who you got? Cornet? Yeah, he decent back there, but hell,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

yeah, but I thought he played well, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Think about you ask him to play 26 minutes. He played well, especially on the offensive end. And he rolling, he's sitting. Quality picks. And you already know. See that thing is with Wimby. Wimby consider pick and pop. You already know Cornett ain't popping. He rolling. He picketed and rolling. Dive into the basket and he gonna get a lob and they gonna drop it off to him and he gonna flush it home. So I give him a lot of credit for him having to play in a very chaotic situation.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying in. In for Minnesota. I noticed, man, how easy it is for those guys to get to the basket and get layups when Wemby went up under there, you know, so that may have took. Yeah, that's probably why. Hey, that's probably why Ant man didn't shoot so many damn threes is what I'm saying. I just. I just feel like ain't man, in another gear, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When Goose and Big and Big Sam wasn't in there. Team trying to run up the middle, but we had a big. We had £700 up there. Ain't nobody trying to run up no middle. You better try to toss it. You run up the middle if you want to. And good luck trying to get outside because we had five, two. We had sharper, and we had got. They gonna chase you down, so good luck with that. But you damn sure wasn't ready when they had Sam. It's just like when Chicago. Oh, you remember Chicago had key trailer and big Ted Washington in the middle.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They had damn near 800 pounds.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you damn sure wasn't running the ball against them, too.

[Ocho]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So. But I. Look, look, it's gonna. We needed. We needed this guy because the last day. Look, we already got one sweet. We already got a. A broom in. In one series. Probably gonna get another broom in another series. We. Last thing we needed is just like brooms across the damn board. I'm glad Cleveland won, because think about it, guys. If Cleveland didn't win and here come Detroit come in, guess what? Now we ain't got no series.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, it made the even game. I ain't mad that women got.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Game five is. What. What. What day is game five?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Tuesday.

[Ocho]

Tuesday. Hey, Joe, who you like?

[Joe]

Joe, in what series?

[Ocho]

I mean, this series. Game five, who you like?

[Joe]

Damn, O.J.

[Ocho]

i know it's hard.

[Joe]

I like both of them, man. Cause they got some dogs. Both of them got. I'm talking about some guys who really out there competing, man. Hey, they albating or nothing. It's bucket for bucket. I like Ant man and what he doing? I like Castle and the Crew. Oh, but that women. Damn.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he the difference, huh?

[Joe]

You put him out there. It looked like. It looked like San Antonio playing against a damn G League team. Straight up. I'm for real. That's. That's the big. That's how much of a difference he makes. And I seen it when he went out. And you notice that the guys from the T. Wolves, bro. It's like they got ultra aggressive. Look at Nas Reed. He swear he was 16. Kyrie Irving. I'm talking about that boy. Hey, he got that little. Yeah. Hey, them boy would get into it tonight, man. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, the thing is, when you rob a bank, what you do? You scope it out. You look at the pattern, okay? The security on what time he get there. How Long did it take him to get? How long the police take? Downs are called. You see women in the game. Ain't nobody trying to steal no buckets, man. Now, hey, I'm gonna shoot the shot out here. It's wide open, bro.

[Joe]

You 25ft out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you mean you wide open? You think I'm gonna go in there? Cause Wimby on once, even at once, if he's on one side of the basket with one step, you not getting that shot off. It's not. If you do get it off, it's not an easy shot. So with that being said, I think. I think it's gonna be a great game. We need a great game. I think it'll be close, but if I. If I had to bet some money that meant something to me, and it felt like it's my money, it means something to me, I would put my money. I put my money on San Antonio.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey. Hey. Wimby is such a difference maker, Unk, man. He's such a difference maker in, in that series and, And Rudy is going to have to have an out of body experience. Not offensively, but defensively. He gonna have to do everything he can.

[Joe]

I don't, I don't think. I don't think he can. Not on Wimby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, that ain't him.

[Joe]

The, the problem you have is Wimby got too much in his bag for anybody. You know what I mean? Once he goes up to shoot or go off his launching pad, hell ain't nothing you can do, man. You just got missed. Now, you gotta continue to be physical with him. Knock his ass down every chance you get.

[Ocho]

Contest everything you can.

[Joe]

But the thing is, Ocho, even if he don't block the shot, if I drive in there and I know he there, I ain't even looking at the damn basket. I'm trying to see my next pass coming in.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He creates that indecision. Exactly.

[Joe]

Yeah, he creates that indecision. And therefore, when he's not in there, soon as you get by your man, you know you going straight to the rack, Flow, gain, layup, whatever. But he. Now, if he don't even block it, bro, his presence alone, it makes it alter your decision making.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's gonna get somewhere between three to five blocks, but he's gonna make you. He's gonna make you alter your shot another five to ten times.

[Joe]

Hello? Hello.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So even if he doesn't block it, you're not shooting a normal shot, even if it's a floater, because he's gonna block something up to 12 foot high.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So what are you going to do? So even, even if you like. Oh, screen him off. You got him. Screen. No, it don't matter. See, Rudy can bother him down there because Rudy is 7:1. But when Nas Reed. Nas reading 16. So now he has a 7 inch advantage.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Joe]

It's hard.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's hard to challenge his shot because like you said, if you go back and look at. What was that game, game three, when he had that monster game, he put the ball on the floor, they end up having to take Rudy out.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because he's not giving you anything offensively and he's not impeding on the defensive end. So I got to put somebody in there. Even if you can't impede him, you can give me something on the other end that make him have to exhaust some of that energy because on the other end, he just chilling. He just roaming. Yeah, he's seven foot four and a half. Ed Reed. Yeah, he throw it anywhere. I'm gonna go get it.

[Joe]

And the problem is he's so damn tall that if you're not Rudy, go bear, then when he do catch and turn, hell, he might hit you with an elbow every time. You know, when you think about it. Yeah, he called Nas. He called him good. But think about it. Nas is right there when he catch the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's right there at the elbow range.

[Joe]

You know, that's. Hey, that's a dangerous range. That's a dangerous range to be in because he could probably get caught a few times, you know, if he had to guard him as much as he did tonight. But I thought they'd done a great job of frustrating, frustrating him. You know, he went out, he bowed out, you know, no gripe or groan. I think he understood he was wrong. But I thought he made it an even game. Fellas, this is like playing Sunday. I'm talking about. You get your five, I got my five. Yeah, we going at it. Yeah, we. I got some guys who can get money. You got some guys who can get money. Let's see who come up with it at the end.

[Ocho]

And the best man win.

[Joe]

Hey, Ant man just took it to a whole nother level.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, let me got. I got a question for you, Joe. Do you believe those guys with the looks they got tonight from three and they didn't knock them down? Do you still believe they'll have. They'll be that unsuccessful shooting the three once they get back in their building? Because I thought they had some great look at threes and they Just missed them.

[Joe]

You're right. I think with them having home court advantage back now, say worst case, hell, you're gonna get two games in San Antonio and one game in Minnesota.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Correct.

[Joe]

No, I don't think. I don't think they gonna be as off as they were tonight. Now, I do think without Wimby being out there, Uncle Ocho, you know them guys, you know, they got some guys who can go get money, but creating for other guys get wide open shots, it really a whole lot of opportunities, man. Look, if we run a pick and roll and let's say we got a pick and roll coverage and I got a real big like Rudy out there, then you. I'm. You probably. He probably gonna head. Let me get under whatever.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause I ain' Rudy popping.

[Joe]

But if we out there and we switching everything, that means, look, all these schemes y' all running, this ain't gonna work. You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to have somebody who can get in their bag and get by somebody and get a bucket. That's why you see Fox and Castle and Harper and. And. And. And it was. That's why you see these guys thriving, these moments, bro, it was just guard your man and thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Even if you get women to pick. If you. If you get women a pick. If you beat him. Do have you really beat him?

[Joe]

No, sir. No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Unless he at half court.

[Ocho]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The only way you beat him and go lay that ball up either half court, because if he'll step behind you, you better go up on the other side of the basket. You better not lay it up on the side that you beat him to.

[Joe]

Right? Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because if you do, he gonna pin it.

[Ocho]

It's funny that he might pin if he goes to the other side too. Honestly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I don't think he go. He ain't gonna be expecting that. But you better like, oh, oh, my bad. I'm going up under here. Cause if you. If you pop, you gonna hear a double tap just like in a block point. Ocho, you hear that double thud. Doo doo.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey. I gotta give him some credit too, though, Unc. I'm. What Ocho's saying, you know, you, you, you. His, his. His impeccable timing that he has on blocking them shots. Because there's been a lot of guys. Seven, two, seven, three. If we just be for real. Who can't block no damn shots like Wimby, you know, I just think he has impeccable timing, you know, when it comes to blocking shots. And that's a Skill in itself, let alone his ass being 7 5.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So he's just a huge disadvantage, bro. You put him up. Think about this. You put Wimby on Minnesota team, what the hell they gonna look like the unbeatable.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They unbeatable with Ant man and Wimpy. Hear me? So that'd be like having Shaq and Kobe because we had never seen a guy as skilled as Shaq at that size. Now imagine putting 4 inches on Shaq, a guy that be able to shoot the three. I think Shaq may one three like, like end of the end of the quarter end or something like that. He made a three. But imagine if Shaq could shoot a three with his domination down on the block. Well, that's what Wemby. Wembley is not as dominant. But when we can shoot the mid range, when we got three women can post you up. So just imagine he's in year three. Can you imagine what Wimby's going to look like if he still stay on this trajectory, still progress? Can you imagine what he's gonna look like at year six at 25?

[Joe]

But, but here's what I'm saying. I'm saying if you put him on Minnesota, they look unbeatable. Yeah, San Antonio and Minnesota got guard play that's elite in the NBA. Meaning guys who can go get a basket and guys who can guard. Bro, you ain't just going in. None of them dudes. All these dudes can play. So he ain't just got no. Any guards is what I'm saying. He got some. He got some elite guard play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Joe]

So I think that makes a huge difference. And it just, you know, it fits so well around him that he's able to play make at times and hell, at 7 5, handling the ball like a PG, bro, that's just unguardable if you make.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But when you look at Wimby, Wimby in San Antonio, he got guards that can shoot, but he don't have guys that can, that could score. Like, like Ant Man. You see the difference? Like there are other guys, but Shaq had Kobe. Kobe could score. So now you got the. Okay, you double Ant Man. You really want to leave Wimby one on one with anybody? No, see, they don't have guys on the perimeter. I got a double. Hey, look as good as Castle and Versaille and.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The only guy that I got a really double is Fox. But I got to worry about Fox getting to the rim. Those aren't shot making. Ant man is a shot maker. Kobe was a shot Maker, there's a difference between guys that can score and guys that can make shots.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Kobe could score and make shots. I look at Castle, I look at Vasale, I look at those champions, I look at guys that can score. I don't look at shot makers. You look at some of the shots that Ant, they sign a pick. At 22ft out, Ant man rolls up over the entire thing and nailed a three. There ain't a whole lot of guys in the NBA can do that. Now you pair that with seven, four and a half, that can shoot the three, can pull up from mid range, can put it on the floor at the top and get all the way down here and boom. No, you can't, you can't. You can't let that be. You can't.

[Joe]

Hey, Ant man, different type of confidence. Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know, he, he, if you know, quiet as kept, not even quiet as Kev. Hell, he'll even tell you. I know he feel like he the baddest mofo out there on the court. He is.

[Ocho]

You play like it, he walk like it.

[Joe]

Hey, you talking about, you know, he don't feel like nobody in front of him will stop him, bro. I love him. He can't. His shot making ability is so elite. And I'm just thinking like, damn, he ain't even 100%. Imagine if this man was 100%. But you know, a lot of times when you injure, bro, it make you focus a little harder too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You absolutely lock in, but I mean,

[Joe]

it makes you, you make you lock in a lot more versus you just being, you know, feeling pretty damn good. So I think Ant man is locked in, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When we look at Wimby, in the history of the game, we've never seen a guy this complete. We've never seen a guy seven four and a half can shoot the three, can get the mid range, can get all the way to the basket and flush it. And he's the best defender in basketball. We've never seen a guy this complete. Yeah, we've seen maybe a more skilled office. Maybe if you look at Jokic and what he's able to do as far as passing the ball, shooting the three, the mid range around the basket. Okay, cool. But what, what is a yoke going to give you on the defensive end? Yes, Shaq was more dominant. Yes, we've seen Admiral, we've seen Akeem Olajuwon, but they were not there putting the ball. I could get a ball to win and say, you know what, Wendy? Today we gonna run a large part of the game. We're gonna run it through you. So we want you on the ball. And I don't feel we'll have any problems. I watched the way he handled the ball, bro. You ain't supposed to be able to do that.

[Joe]

That ain't right, man. That borderline cheating, bro. Real talk, Megatron.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You're not supposed to be 6 4, 240 pounds running 43 with a 43 inch vertical. That's not fair at the wide receiver, damn it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's not. And Joe, you know, you know, you think about it, you don't play video game, but I'm sure a lot of people in the chat, I mean, obviously we, we have a lot of basketball fans and I'm sure most of them play NBA 2K. Wimby is nothing but a creative player, man. Is a creative player that, that you, that you, that you know, you can dominate with on the video game. It just so happened. He's real in real life, he's exactly what you create when you play goddamn

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

2k, man, you ain't lying.

[Ocho]

It's crazy.

[Joe]

It's wild, bro. He is a unique talent. And boy, San Antonio, they good for the next 15 to 20 years, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I can't wait for Tuesday night. This thing gonna be. Oh, don't they play Tuesday night? Yep, Tuesday night.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, so they, oh, so they play Tuesday. They don't play again till Friday.

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[Ocho]

Three days off.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right, all right, all right, all right.

[Ocho]

Let's go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let's get to it.

[Ocho]

Let's get to it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let's get to it.

[Ocho]

Disrespect.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Knicks made 18 three pointers which tied an NBA record for a regular season or a half to lead by 24. They had wants to take the heart out. Oh man, what they've done to you. Look at the last three games against Atlanta and you look at three of the last two. The last two games. That's as hot as anybody's ever been. They're 144 points today of the most in playoff franchise history. They opened the first quarter with 11, made three pointers which tied an NBA Postseason record. They'll wait. The winner of the Pistons Cavaliers Detroit leaves that series two one. And we'll have at least, at the bare minimum, a week off off before the finals begin, which gives OG more and more time to recover. Yeah, this young right here.

[Ocho]

You done.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You look at it. Miles McBride got him off to the great start. He was. He made seven shots, all of them from the three. Jalen Brunson was six of 10 from the three. Josh Hart was four, six from the three. Cat two or three from the three. The diet was. Was one of one, Landry Shammy four of six, Jose Alvarado one of two. When you add it up, they shot 25 or 44 from the three, that's 37. They shot 49 of 91 from the overall from the field, that's 54. If you let a team shoot 54 from the floor, 57 from the three. Yeah, you gonna get beat by 30.

[Ocho]

I told you what was gonna happen. I told y' all what was gonna happen. Y' all ain't believing me. Y' all think y' all got elite ball knowledge. Joe, I know you play. I know. I know you played the game. Joe, I respect. I respect what you had to say, but you told me. God damn. When they were playing the Hawks, you told me the Hawks are probably gonna beat the Knicks. That's what you told me. You told me Jalen Johnson, he was that boy. You told me Cynthia McCollum he was gonna cook. What happened? Let me finish. Hey, now I'm on you. You told me embiid. You told me cat was too goddamn small. Cat couldn't do nothing with him. Be down there, whether it was in the. Whether it was down in the block or. Captain gonna have to go. Go down it to the goddamn three. He would have to shoot three. They're gonna have to shoot the midi. But he wouldn't be. Be able to do nothing. Be down in the block. What the cat show y' all all series long, huh? I'm a three level scorer. What we talking about? I could do it all. They heard y' all two talking. They. They made 25 threes. 25 threes. That's a postseason record. We talk about the Knicks, huh? What we talk about? And the words of my dude, one of my favorite battle rappers, DNA. Get Philly up out of here, huh? Get him beat up out of here. Get Tyreek, get Maxi up out of here. Tell Paul George, you get up out of here, too. Man, what you talking about? And that's no disrespect to the Philly fan. Because you know, in the football season, I'm all for you and I love you. Come on now. What we talking about?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, Gilly. Gilly. You know Gill is sick right now, though, man. You know Gilly sick. That's his team.

[Joe]

Ocho, he ain't been happy with him. I told y'. All, I seen him over the weekend. Gill ain't been happy. He ain't been happy about that. I know he pissed off about this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, look, I mean, Joe, you make 11 threes in the first quarter, you makes 18 and a half. You not losing, bro.

[Joe]

They were hitting on. I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. I get the next day credit, but I ain't no hater. You know, I, I. I get credit when credit is due. Them boys still hot from the Damn. The series against the day.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. You hear me? Listen, I don't forgot OG got hurt. I ain't gonna even lie to y'. All. He been the hottest player on their damn team, man. Look, hey, riding his shoe like he Ray Allen. I'm like, hold on, bro. I'm talking about they wasn't missing, bro. I'm talking about all cylinders, like everything they threw up, bro, was going in. They want. They winning the hustle last three games. I'm talking about, man, Listen, they did a number on them boys.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, wait.

[Ocho]

I told you. I told you what gonna happen, Joe. Y' all ain't want to listen to

[Joe]

it, Ocho, I was wrong, brother. I'm sorry.

[Ocho]

All right, all right, all right. Hey, you know what? You. You. You a manual word, Joe. You a manual word. Except paying me my money. But I'm gonna let that slap because you apologizing for being wrong. Talk about the 76ers was gonna be an unk. You need to apologize, too. Talk about Eskim gonna stop big body Brunson, boy. You see, man? Brunson, man. Sweet. I. I ain't got no room. I wish I had a broom.

[Joe]

Hey, question is. The question is, where do Philly go from here, bro? Like, real talk. Real talk.

[Ocho]

Shoot. I can tell you where they go.

[Joe]

Where?

[Ocho]

Cancun. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hell, man, I'm talking. We got. Hey, hey. They got some decisions to make.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Straight up, they do. I don't believe as currently constructed, I don't see how they get out the second round. Because you know the likelihood. 82 game season. What is the likelihood? The man has played 68 games. At least 68 games once. Remember, Ocho, he missed his first two years. If I'm not mistaken. Yes, sir. So let that sink in. He's been in the league 10 years. He's played at least 68 games once in his entire NBA career. So he's gonna put it. And it's hard because I don't know when I can count on him. Joe.

[Joe]

Man, that's tough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He might miss two weeks. Hey, Maxi Paul, George Edgam there in a great rhythm. Then he comes back. They can't play that same way when he's on the court. You just can't.

[Joe]

Yeah, you can't. Like I'm looking at. I ain't gonna lie. I'm thinking, you know, I know he won eight for eight, you know, and they basically couldn't stop him. But the game is so much. It's so. It's so much at a slower pace. Very slow out there. It's so stale out there, fellas, you know what I mean? Like, the guys can't. You cannot.

[Ocho]

These.

[Joe]

These rhythm guys. Ishka, Maxi Paul, George Oubre, he can kind of, you know, dib and dab and do his thing, but for the most part, these rhythm guys just scores. Yeah, they just throwing it down there. Couldn't playing off. MB it's like, damn, bro, we down 20 damn points. Why are we still running?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Why we running a set? We need to get shots up.

[Joe]

We need to be big dad down here on the court. Yeah, but they had to walk the ball up so goddamn much. Okay, Ojo, you can't. I'm like, man, they got. Yeah, they got to figure it out, bro. They got to figure it out. They gotta make some changes straight up.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

MB Stars. His is max contract. It starts next year, I think. I think maybe it's starting at 57 million. I think some. Maybe something like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

A three year.

[Ocho]

Three. Yeah, yeah. So I think it's 57, 67. And then I forgot what the. What the third number is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It was three years. It was three. So however you get to three years, 193, Joe.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

However you want to do it, Whatever numbers you want to use, you can start off at 50, but you know, you about to end, you go damn near end up at 60 plus.

[Ocho]

Right? So what I was going to ask is when you talk about trusting the process, which I. I believe most a lot of people don't trust anymore at this point. Is embiId still a 76 or going into next year?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on, Joe. Hold on. Wait a damn minute. We just had a discussion, Joe. Three days ago, this man ripped my Head off. You and Joe got on me, and now you talking about we having a serious discussion about trading.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just asking the question because, I mean, y' all supposed to have better ball knowledge than I do, but obviously y' all don't because y' all been wrong the past two series. I just see what y' all got to say. I already know the answer. I know the answer.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joel considers the 76 receiver success after just getting swept by the Knicks. And B said, I know we lost, and I know that's not the right mentality to have, but for me, this was a success. I came into the year not knowing where I was going to be, how long I was going to play, if I was even going to play based on the knee of the last two years. And I came in hoping for the best. I feel like we're in position. We figured out the knee. It hasn't been an issue. Embiid Imperial appeared in 38 regular season games, missed the first three games of the Celtics series and missed game two of the Knicks series. So Joel Embiid go from 19 games to 38 games, get swept in the second round, and somehow this is a success story.

[Ocho]

I think. I think his success story is more. More about some of the things he's had to go through this this year. Obviously the appendectomy, the knee, bothering him, not knowing when, when and when, when he would be able to play, when he'd be available. Which is one of the things that we talked about. Hell, not just us countless, you know, networks that talked about the same things. I think that's the angle he meant when he said as far as having success, because getting bounced out the second round ain't nothing about that successful. I think he's just speaking from a personal standpoint and not the game itself.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, he need to play one on one basketball, because all I know you talking about, yeah, he had a success. Okay. You look at you as. Except guys, he missed 44 regular season games.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How do I, Joe. And if I'm a general manager, how do I build a team around that? When arguably you're one of your two best players is out half the time. How do I build a team? Because I basically, I gotta play one way when he's in. When he's in the lineup, and I gotta play a totally different way when he's out of it. If you look at, if you look at the way OKC play, they play the same.

[Joe]

Yeah. No matter what. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You look at, you look at San Antonio. They getting up and down even when he's on the court, even when he's off the court. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Ah, different body style, different playing style.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Different when Joel Embiid is in the game. And when you down by that many points, why the hell are we running sets? We burned it. We burned it. 16, 18 seconds off the damn clock. Y' all do realize we're not up 30, we're down 30.

[Ocho]

And matter of fact, I got a question. When you. When you. When you're down 32, Joe, why don't they just go small? Just go. Just go small. Because on understanding that, Embiid slows the game down, hell, put somebody else in there.

[Joe]

Hold up, Ocho. Well, now you talking. How much money you make a year?

[Ocho]

Ah, see? Ah. Okay, okay.

[Joe]

I mean, now. I mean, when you think about it, who gonna take on their contract?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shoot. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, Joe.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

Before you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Hold on, now.

[Joe]

I didn't know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[Ocho]

Joke.

[Joe]

He just signed. I didn't know. He just signed that deal and they kicked in. I didn't know.

[Ocho]

I think it was.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, kick it next year. But he signed it two years ago this year.

[Joe]

Yeah. So he. So the next three years, they got to pay him 190.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

192.

[Joe]

I did not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

$93 million. I didn't know that.

[Joe]

I swear. I thought he was probably, like, on the last year, his deal, maybe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hold on, Joe. Did you say who gonna pay it?

[Joe]

Yeah. What I'm saying is he. Billy, they got to figure it out. Big fell.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. You know, I stood on that table 10 toes when we talked about Embiid, right? You talked about him not being available. I talked about what he looked like when he is available. Understanding. I show flashes. You know, in this. Is in this series, even though they weren't able to get a win, Joe, when that boy hot, when he cooking, what he cooking when he got that thing down on the block, huh? I'm just saying. I know they got. I know they got whooped. I know he. It ain't hurt a lot, but Joe, when he's healthy and he's on fire, well, he's unstoppable, Joe.

[Joe]

It ain't about the points that he gets. It's how he plays. He walks up and down the court all the damn time, man.

[Ocho]

You know, they knew that before they signed him. It ain't. He never looked like we. He always been that way.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, hold on, I'm missing something. I could have swore we had this very conversation and it was a two on one. They beat me up, Joe, like, hey, oh, Joe, let's jump in. Hold on. I know they punking me.

[Amazon Health AI / Advertiser]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What do you have for the camera, Chad? Are they punking me? I know they not punking me though.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Slow down, Turbo. Slow down, slow down. Listen, man, I swear I did not know that the contract kick in is for 193. I didn't know that, I promise. I thought the man was on about a year. He had about a year or two left. Hey, we a big fella. Gonna have to get some shape. They're gonna have to figure that one out.

[Ocho]

What's that? To figure out? It's guaranteed. Ain't nothing to figure out.

[Joe]

It ain't. What I'm saying is he's stuck in Philly hell. What do you mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me ask you a question though.

[Ocho]

Talk to me. Hey, take your time when you ask me now, okay?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's 365 days in the year.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So just imagine you only gonna eat about 250 of those. About 250 of those days.

[Ocho]

Okay? Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How you feeling? How you looking?

[Ocho]

Damn, I'd probably be looking.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you've been doing, and you've been doing this. And you've been doing this probably say for like 10 years. So 365. You only eating like 115 days of the year.

[Ocho]

Hey, honestly, I ain't looking too good, huh? Probably, probably. Probably a little on the, on the small side.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's the thing, Ocho. It is so hard to build continuity. Ocho, you play the game what they say, you can't make the club in the tub. How do I build an offense? How do I build a defense? How do I build a team around arguably one of my two best players when I don't know if and when he's going to play? Yeah, that's it. I've never said Joel Embiid couldn't play. I see what he is. He's an all NBA player. He's an all star. And before the injury started amounting, he was an unbelievable defensive player. Given all that, he's missed 480, almost 500 games in his career. He missed the entire first two years of a career. I just, I just don't know. And that's, that was my only argument, is that you're going to get somebody else to hopefully Try to take on this contract three years, 192 million. And what you know, based on history, is that what I do is that I look at history. Just S P. If you measure the market, okay, we know the market goes up. Sometimes it goes up 8, 10, sometimes it drops 3 to 4. But it, it's like this here, but it's consistent. What is Joel consistently being injured and out.

[Ocho]

Can I tell you something?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, you can.

[Ocho]

When it comes to this business, I don't know basketball like you, like y' all do. Somebody, somebody in the chat just said, why is Ojo talking basketball? Because I got better, better ball knowledge than you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cuz you got a camera and a microphone. And he don't.

[Ocho]

Hey, that, that, that's why. And I know what I'm talking about. That's why I've been right all series long. But even though Embiid has three. Three year, 193 million. It just take one team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, one team.

[Ocho]

That, that, that feel that a change of scenery might do him justice. Going somewhere else might do him justice. Yes, he's been hurt all this time he's been in Philly. But lo and behold, sometime when you change scenery, all of a sudden, boom, you're healthy. You get around different doctors, you get around different nutritionists, you get around different people that have a set, a set plan for you, and all of a sudden, voila, you healthy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It happens.

[Ocho]

I've seen it happen in all sports, whether it's basketball, whether it's football, hell, whether it's track. You change coaches all of a sudden. Now you're running faster.

[Joe]

Hey, look, when I, when I'm watching the game on here, Ocho Maxi is come in. If I'm being 100, they don't even really look like they enjoy playing with mv bro. You know, it's like, you know, man, we, we downhill bandits. You know what I'm saying? We try to get money. Yeah. We can't even attack. Cause you down here posting up air trip down court. That's kind of, that's. That's just kind of what I see. That's how I feel when I'm watching it. I'm looking at facial expressions, I'm looking at demeanor. I'm looking at gestures. I'm looking at all that, bro. Like, it don't, bro, it don't look like they really enjoy playing with big Fella. If I'm just keeping it real, bro.

[Ocho]

Damn, Joe, that's. That's not nice, Joe.

[Joe]

I'm just keeping it 100, bro.

[Ocho]

I feel You. I feel you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I feel you said something interesting. You said you've seen it before. You've seen guys, you know, leave teams and go to another team. You go to another coach. I take Sydney McLaughlin as an example. I can put her with Joanna Hayes. I can put her with John Smith. I can put her with. I can put her with Dennis Mitchell. She'll still be great because her desire to be great and her work ethic. Yes. It doesn't matter who you put somebody with and where you send them to. What is your mindset? Will you be disciplined? Will you be committed? Because if you're not, all you did was change locations. Yes, sir. A polar bear is still the same whether he's in captivity or he's out. So if Joel Embiid still trains the same way, does the same thing, and maybe his body is too broken down. It's just hard to see a scenario where a man gets healthier as he gets older. I'm just. It's just hard. I don't. I don't see it. I don't. And Ocho, you asking a man 300 plus pounds body, he's had back surgery. He had knee issues, he had ankle issues. To run up and down the court 70 times a year, 35 to 40 minutes a night. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Hey, that's another thing. You watch how you watch his gallop up and down the court, Uncle Ocho. It don't. Hey, look, it look like it's hard on him, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It looked like it hurt me. My knees start hurting watching him. My back started. I'm like, well, damn. The difference is I'm 58. All my kids older than Joel Embiid. So I got it right. I got artificial hips, got bone on bone in my right knee. I need a knee replacement. I'm trying to postpone it. I look at Joel of beat, and I wonder. I said, well, damn. Is that what I look like when I walk? God, darling. So, Chad, I apologize if I look like Joel Embiid. When y' all see me in the airport. Y' all see me walking in Target or something. I sincerely apologize. Cause it looked like it hurt. It do.

[Joe]

I'm talking about just to sprint up and down the court a couple trips and don't let it be consecutive. Oh, he gonna pull out that walk on you. Yeah, yeah. Hey, look, I think you're a hell of a talent, too, walking Ocho. I just don't know, man. When I'm looking at. You know, I think Philly got elite guard play.

[Ocho]

And

[Joe]

the gestures throughout the game, the bottom lane. I'm looking at all they playing in and it's like, damn, all right, let me throw it down here. Go set this look, this little weak ass screen, like I'm doing something. So he.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, that's what it.

[Joe]

That's what it seemed like to me, bro. Like I'm just keeping. Because look, you know, once it go in, once you throw, I ain't getting it back. Now it ain't really coming out. You know, he pretty much going at his man, you know, him and Cat got the little back and forth, you know, I. I don't know, man. I just. I don't know from my eye. From my eye. Yeah, it didn't seem like that. Those guys were really. They weren't flying around like they was in the first couple of games. Just keep it real.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's hard to play with a guy like that. And then Max is like, man, I'm an all star. I'm just coming into my own. I'm giving you 28.

[Joe]

He ain't. I mean, see, I just came out with my new shoe. Hey, man, look, I'm. I'm next up. I'm up. Matter of fact, I'm up. Yeah, it's my time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, check this out. In their last three games against Atlanta, the Knicks beat the Hawks by a combined 96 points. 96. That would the combined beat him by now.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What. What did. Okay, they beat. They beat the 76ers 144 to 114. What was it? What was the game three? How about how bad they beat him in game three? How bad they beat the Knicks the last. When you combine all the scores, what was the tally? Bear with us.

[Joe]

Chat you you saying a total?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They beat. They beat Atlanta the last six games by combined not plus 96. So the average beating them by 32 points a game. Atlanta their last three games that they won't. Now if we go back and look at what now today was a 30 point victory. Hell, they beat him. If I'm not mistaken, they might have beat him worse than that in game three. Or was it game two where they beat him like 121 30. Game one, 130.

[Joe]

Okay, hold up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, they beat the 76ers. Okay, they beat them 144 to 114 today. They beat him by 14 in game two. They beat him by. By six in game two. Excuse me. They beat him 144 to 114 in game four. They beat him by four. They beat him by 14 in Game two, they beat game three. They beat him by six in game two. They beat them 137 to 98 in game one. So 89 total points. So they won their last seven games. So you say 96 and 89. That's 185. You know, I'm good with bad. You know, like I said once, you. When you. When you ain't got to carry and pie and all that stuff. If you just give me some round numbers, I can spit that eight. I'm like Big Blue. I just spit the numbers. Let that sink in, man. They beat. They be in seven games, 185 total points. That is crazy.

[Ocho]

It ain't crazy, because I told you what was gonna happen. Y' all ain't listen to me.

[Joe]

And look, the house. At least the house got two games. Damn. You mean Philly couldn't get a game?

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, Joe. The Hulk got two games because the NBA had bills to pay. The NBA had bills to pay.

[Joe]

Ojo, don't do that. Don't do that.

[Ocho]

I'm just telling. I'm just being honest with you.

[Joe]

Hey, cuz, you and un steady yelling out our failures and whispering our successes. Yeah, we won two games against these dudes, bro.

[Ocho]

Yo, y' all at home, Joe, you happy about winning two games?

[Joe]

Hell, yeah, at home, compared to bro. Philly. Philly got swept O2.

[Ocho]

You home? No. Hey, no disrespect. I got love for you, but I'm just saying, the way you hype the Hawks up and they at home, not Philly at home.

[Joe]

All I'm saying is the Hawks won two games. What's this, bro?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you.

[Ocho]

I'm trying to explain to you. I'm trying to explain to you. Hey, Joe, you played in the NBA, Joe, you supposed to know how the business works. All right, we got sponsors, Right? The sponsors. In order to make money, you got to extend the series a little bit.

[Joe]

What I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, we got bills to pay, too, damn it. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, that what I'm talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, all right, let's talk about the Knicks. Because their first two series, they put up. They put on this series. They really put on a shooting clinic the last two games. I mean. I mean, this is. This is crazy. This is. I mean, you look at what they did against the hawks the last two games, they won by 29. No, they won by.

[Joe]

Hold on. No. Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They won by what, 90? 126. So three. 20. They won by 29. They won by 50. 30. What? No. Or 50? 51. Damn, Joe beat by 51 and then you got beat 39.

[Joe]

Come on, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They put on some when they got. When. When the Knicks get hot, boy, listen, they ghost Pepper hot.

[Ocho]

Told you.

[Joe]

Give them their credit.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You think Bridges look great in this series? He didn't even score in a game against. Against the Hawks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, absolutely. You're right.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm talking about, OG Went out. Josh Hart has been playing amazing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

You know, not only has he been scoring, which is always a plus, but his energy and effort, he's always going to be around 8 to 12 rebounds a game from his position.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's all effort.

[Joe]

Yeah, just all effort, bro. And he making shots.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. If he making shots, it's over for you, because like you said, your auto hustle plays. He's going to make them.

[Joe]

Yeah, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The thing is, you know, and. And he and Brunson, they played together in college with Mikhail Bridges. They played together, they know each other, they were roommates. They got a podcast together. They cool. And that's why I say closeness matters.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You look at okc, it matters. I think San Antonio is going to have the same type of relationship. You know why? Because they came up together. They getting drafted a year apart, and guess what? They gonna build this thing together. The same thing. Shay was there, and here come J Dub, and here come Check, and here come Mitchell, and they get Lou Dor, and they get Wallace, and they get Isaiah Joe, and they train for Caruso. Hell, Caruso, the elder statesman.

[Joe]

Hey, and. And when you look at it, hey, sometimes, man, you can have a little bit too damn much, you know, without OG I think everything is kind of crystal clear. Meaning, you know, you get Bridges at heart. They able to get a. They. They able to maintain a rhythm because they ain't looking over their back. Damn, I messed up. OG from the company, you know what I mean? And I think. I'm not saying that they're better without them. Don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't.

[Joe]

Don't get me wrong. I just think these guys are in such a great rhythm, bro, that I'm telling you, I didn't even notice OG wasn't on the court. I'm like, damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What about Cat Ocho? Three threes. Yeah, that's it. He didn't fall in love with the three. He like. Yeah. Hey, hold on. Hey, who this guy they got? Paul George? Is this PG on me, man? Give me that damn ball. Get back, get back.

[Joe]

Hey, he looked like. He looked like he was playing with a little more of A little purpose this series.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe]

I think, I think that the little back and forth between him and mb, which it, you know, they didn't really entertain a lot. Now it was a lot of hustling and wrestling out there, if you ask me. But I'm here for it. You know, the. The competition level was at an all time high. I think both guys competed. But I think it hurted. It hurted Philly way more than it hurt the Knicks, you know, I think

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you think it for me. Look, I sat down with Cat and spending two hours with him and talking with him before the pod and talking with. How you not, Luckhead. Yeah, I get it. Oh my God, I get all that. But man, he is. Hey, man, look here. He really, really a good dude. And having a conversation with him and what he's had to deal with with his mom. His mom was his best friend.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm talking about his absolute best friend. Yeah. And to watch her leave this earth, watch her take her last breath, it did a number on him. It did. But I can't. Hey, I get frustrated with it because I say, Cat, you too damn good to be taking all them damn 3. Get your big old butt. But I can't. It's. It's. You can't dislike it.

[Joe]

You can't damn well.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I need. You can't.

[Joe]

I need Detroit to get out this series. But I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, what'd you say? What'd you say, Joe?

[Joe]

I need Detroit to get out this series. Hey, shout out to my boy Johnny Bryant over there in Cleveland. He on the coaching staff. Johnny, I'm sorry, bro. I need. I need Detroit to win this series.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, so you going all in. You got Detroit over the next. You going all in.

[Joe]

Hunter, I told you I got Detroit going to the finals.

[Ocho]

Hold on, Joe, here we go again, man. Here we go again, man. Joe, what you doing?

[Joe]

What you mean?

[Ocho]

Joe, since we've been on here, right?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Since the playoff started.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

First, I told you how it was going to play out, Joe. The Hawks playing the Knicks. I explained to you. Now I could bring. I could break it down to you. I could break it down for you in PowerPoint presentation if I need to. If the goddamn Pistons get out that series and show you why, why the Nick gonna beat him. I. I can do that. But again, I'm trying. I know you played the game. I respect your ball knowledge. But see, you thinking, you thinking with your heart. I'm thinking with my mind, with my house.

[Joe]

I was thinking with my Heart. I ain't gonna lie. I had my heart in it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, you supposed to. Joe, that's your squad. Joe, I know he ain't talking about no hard in it the way he be root for the Bengals. And he know damn well his bangles ain't got no chance. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho]

Do me a favor. Simmer down. It's not football season, all right?

[Joe]

Go ahead, bro.

[Ocho]

I'm a basketball savant right now. I don't care nothing about football.

[Joe]

My bad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now you don't care nothing about football. Okay, yeah, remember that. Remember that with his team. Cause he gonna come back. Hey, Joe, what about your Falcons? My team, just like your Falcons, they didn't win.

[Ocho]

Hey, and just. Just remember, like, I'm not jumping on no bandwagons. I don't want people to confuse the fact that I'm, you know, I'm going for the Knicks. I'm a Heat fan.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fan.

[Ocho]

I'm a Miami Heat fan. It just, you know, going back and forth, based on the series, we all had teams to pick, and the team that I continuously picked to go further just happened to be the Knicks. That's it. So I'm cheering for the Knicks, but I'm a Miami Heat fan. Always will be, win or lose, man. But Joe, if. Even if the Cavs come out the series or the Pistons, the Knicks are still going to win. I'm just telling you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I definitely don't believe. I don't definitely don't believe the Cavs can beat the. Not. Not with those defenders that they got. Yeah, because they catching. Hell. They catching hell getting away. And they got way. I. I think.

[Joe]

I think.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think New York got more defenders when you got Josh Hart, Mikhail Bridges, you got OG. I think they got more defenders. Hell. Hey, Alvarado, that little piss.

[Joe]

But, but guess what? They. Yeah, they ain't gonna be able to do no cage, though. Got K show last year here. They couldn't do nothing with him, and he experienced.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But here's the problem you run into, Joe. Your boy Duran ain't getting you nothing.

[Joe]

But he gonna be a dog. He gonna be a. Hey, look, that little eight. That little 8.12 rebounds, we gonna need that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We gonna need 18 and 12.

[Ocho]

See, see, see, see, Here y' all go again. Here y' all go again. You see, this the same thing you did last series with goddamn Jaylen Johnson. Now you talk about. Now you talk about what? During. With. With Duran, man, we don't care nothing about that. You hear me? We don't care nothing about that OG gonna be back. Big Body Brunson gonna do what he do. Josh Hart locking up on the defense end, and he gonna give you something down on the offensive end. What are we talking about? Cat gon. Oh, my God. He g. He gonna do what he got to do from the three, from the mid level, down in the block. Whatever you want to do when the Knicks. When the Knicks go to the finals, right?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

I just want y'.

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All.

[Ocho]

I want the apologies to be just as loud as the disrespect. Matter of fact, I don't want nobody to question my ball knowledge when it comes to basketball after this.

[Joe]

We done gave them their problems, bro. What else you want?

[Ocho]

Because you still doubting them. Talking about you want Detroit to get out the series so they could beat the Knicks.

[Joe]

I got one more chance.

[Ocho]

I got so you don't know ball like I do.

[Joe]

All right. All right.

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So, hey, so you gonna take. If the Thunder get that. You taking the Knicks over the Thunder? Oh, Ocho.

[Joe]

Hell no, he ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, my ass. You heard what, Joe? You heard. You heard what I said?

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. I think. I think my thing muted.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. All right.

[Ocho]

Y' all can hear me.

[Joe]

Come on.

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We hear you just fine.

[Ocho]

Okay.

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We said if the Knicks and the Thunder meet in the NBA Finals, are you taking the Knicks?

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