Nightcap - Hour 1: Wemby out for season, KD All-Star weekend thoughts, LeBron sits out ASG

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – "Nightcap - Hour 1: Wemby out for season, KD All-Star weekend thoughts, LeBron sits out ASG"

Release Date: February 22, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe with guest co-hosts Alec Baldwin and Bobby Bones
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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1. Victor Wembanyama Out for the Season

Discussion Overview:
The conversation begins with a deep dive into the unfortunate news that NBA phenom Victor Wembanyama (referred to as "Wemby") has been sidelined for the remainder of the season due to a deep vein thrombosis (DVT). Alec Baldwin and Bobby Bones explore the implications of this injury for both Wembanyama and his team.

Key Points:

• Nature of Injury: Wemby has been diagnosed with a DVT, a serious condition that poses significant health risks and requires immediate attention.
• Team Impact: The San Antonio Spurs are optimistic about his recovery, comparing it to Brandon Ingram's past injury, which, while serious, did not end his career.
• Future Outlook: If Wemby recovers successfully, he is expected to return strong next season, aligning with the Spurs' hopes of maintaining competitive prowess.

Notable Quotes:

• Bobby Bones [11:02]: "The Spurs are optimistic that Wimby will be ready for next season and that it's not as serious as the issue with Chris Bosh."
• Alec Baldwin [12:05]: "That's a lot. I mean, look, we're going to see when I'm trying to think, the next guy that's available that's really good, that can get this kind of money."

2. Kevin Durant’s All-Star Weekend Thoughts

Discussion Overview:
The hosts transition to analyzing Kevin Durant's (KD) sentiments regarding the NBA All-Star Weekend. KD has expressed frustration with the event’s format and player engagement, sparking a broader conversation about its relevance and execution.

Key Points:

• KD’s Frustration: KD tweeted his dissatisfaction, stating, "I think it's more fun to complain about the NBA than actually watch it. Crazy. Cancel All Star Weekend."
• All-Star Game Format: Baldwin and Bones debate the effectiveness of the current All-Star Weekend structure, considering player motivation and fan engagement.
• Economic Incentives: The discussion touches on whether financial incentives might encourage players to perform better during the festivities.

Notable Quotes:

• Alec Baldwin [60:31]: "I understand KD's frustrations. I wouldn't even call it frustration. I think he's more so listen, it's All Star Break. We ain't trying to hurt ourselves."
• Bobby Bones [61:35]: "KD is one of the guys that he's going to respond if he thinks you've been disrespected."

3. LeBron James Sitting Out the All-Star Game

Discussion Overview:
The conversation culminates with the surprising announcement that LeBron James will sit out the NBA All-Star Game for the first time in his illustrious career. Baldwin and Bones dissect the potential reasons and ramifications of this decision.

Key Points:

• Reason for Sitting Out: LeBron has been battling lingering discomfort in his left foot and ankle, which contributed to his decision to miss the game.
• Impact on Team and Fans: The absence of a 21-time All-Star starter like LeBron raises questions about team dynamics and fan expectations.
• Comparisons to Other Athletes: The hosts compare LeBron's decision to Giannis Antetokounmpo's past choices, discussing the balance between personal health and professional commitments.

Notable Quotes:

• Bobby Bones [64:43]: "Do you agree LeBron accepted knowing he probably wouldn't play?"
• Alec Baldwin [66:55]: "If LeBron, LeBron James, the all-time leading scorer in the NBA, decides... he should be able."

Insights and Conclusions

Throughout the episode, Sharp and his co-hosts shed light on the complexities athletes face concerning health, performance, and public expectations. Victor Wembanyama’s injury underscores the vulnerability of even the most promising talents, while KD’s critique of the All-Star Weekend invites a reevaluation of how the NBA engages its stars and fans. LeBron James opting out of the All-Star Game exemplifies the tough choices seasoned veterans must make between personal well-being and their roles as team leaders.

Overall Takeaway:
The episode emphasizes the evolving landscape of professional sports, where athlete health and satisfaction are becoming as critical as their on-field performance. It calls for the NBA and other sports leagues to adapt their formats and incentives to better support and motivate their star players, ensuring both competitive integrity and player well-being.

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Transcript

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[Matt Castle]

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school and right at night and after nine hours you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the.

[Alec Baldwin]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Alec Baldwin]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Alec Baldwin]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

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[Alec Baldwin]

Well, absolutely not. Listen, they need a superstar. They need LeBron only had what, maybe one, maybe two years left. There has to be a superstar to put, to put butts in those seats. And who is that? That is Luka Doncic. That is exactly what he's going to do. At some point. Once he gets, gets in shape, once he gets in rhythm, once he gets his legs and feet up underneath him. We're going to get to see the same Luga that we saw in Dallas. Averaging 29 average 30, doing what he, doing what he normally does every night. And he is the future for the LA Lakers. And absolutely, at some point they're going to start building around him as a star. Well, they're going to have to pay him. But when do they pay him? When does that happen?

[Bobby Bones]

I was reading the other day, Ocho, they said that Luca could sign a two year deal. So what is this? Year eight for Luca Ashley? This year eight for Luca, he signs a two year deal that gets him to year ten. Now he be in line and he makes the all NBA team first team one of those two years in, in the contract. Now he's eligible for a super max and now he can get that 400 million dollar contract. Is that how. Is that how it goes, Ash? Well, let me see here. Is it year seven? So he, okay, so signs a two year extension. Ocho, this is year seven. Next year sign a two year extension. So three years he can sign. That'll be 10 years. Get him to 10 and now he's eligible for a supermax. This is very, this is very important because here's the thing. Oo you remember now you traded the guy that you really thought was going to be the succession plan to LeBron. AD Right. You bring in a guy that's five years younger and say now instead of having maybe four or five years with AD we could possibly have 10 to 12 years with Luca. Now you've already traded AD you lose Luca. Now what?

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, I, I don't think you're gonna lose him. You don't, you're not, you're not gonna lose him. Obviously he knows he gonna be the centerpiece and be the focus for the.

[Bobby Bones]

There's a lot of other teams. He can go and be the centerpiece. There are a lot of other teams he can go and be the centerpiece.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know he's not leaving la. Come on now, you know better than that. Yeah, listen, the history.

[Bobby Bones]

They didn't think, they didn't think Shaq was going to leave Orlando. They didn't think LeBron was going to leave Cleveland. Did you think LeBron was going to leave Miami. Did you think LeBron was going to leave Cleveland the second time? Well, no, you didn't.

[Alec Baldwin]

He promised. Hey, listen, He. He promised him something. He promised him something. He gave him what he wanted and then he went on.

[Bobby Bones]

You think LeBron James was going to leave Cleveland? Remember, he's. He was born an hour north of Cleveland in Akron. He left. Yeah. Nobody saw it coming. Nobody.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right? I'm trying to think. You. You don't. You don't. You don't just up and leave a franchise like that. Especially not, not a. Not, not an organization like the Los Angeles Lakers. Not when you're. You're the main focal piece of everything. You are going to. Excuse me. You are going to be the face of the Lakers. You understand that? He understand that they traded for you for a reason.

[Bobby Bones]

Ocho. He. He wasn't Wilt. He wasn't Kareem, he wasn't Shaq, he wasn't Bob McAdoo. He wasn't LeBron. He didn't request to go there. He didn't make it. That's why. That's my destination of choice.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hold on now. Come on now. Let's. Let's. Let's be sensible, right? You already. You've already. You're in Dallas. You in a great place. They shock you with a trade. You go to. You bet. You go to a historic franchise, a winning franchise like the LA Lakers with the Kobe Bryant and played with the Kareem Abdul Jabbar that played where they're going to worship you, where there has to be a star. You are. You are that star. And you think the time comes, he'd rather go somewhere else. Where else is there to go?

[Bobby Bones]

Where else would look.

[Alec Baldwin]

Where else.

[Bobby Bones]

So let me ask you a question. If Luca went somewhere else, he wouldn't be the star. He wouldn't be the center of attention.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah, he would still be the star. But what better place in it than la? Ain't nothing better than that. No disrespect to other.

[Bobby Bones]

That's not for him. Does Lucas strike you as a guy that's in all that kind of stuff? Remember, the. The European players are different. You look at Nicola Jokic, he's like, when can I go home? We got the parade. Oh, man, I can't go back and get to my forces. They don't see. See, you're looking at it through the lens of an American playing for the Lakers. That ain't that a. That so you don't.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't. You don't. You don't you don't think Luca values the franchise and what. And what it brings. What it brings to him? The brand, a plan for the LA Lakers? The brand of playing for the New York. The new. The New York Yankees or the brand for playing for the LA Dodgers?

[Bobby Bones]

You don't think he understands that Miguel Soto left the Yankees and went to. And you. And went to the Mets.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's right around the corner.

[Bobby Bones]

That ain't them. The Yankees. That's not the Yankees. So I. Look, I'm not saying that he is, but I'm not saying it's not a foregone conclusion that he will resign. That's all I'm saying. And I agree that it's not a foregone conclusion that he's going to sign, but I think it's very incumbent upon the Lakers that they're hoping and praying and I'm sure they promised him the heavens and the earth because if they lose him, it's over. Because remember, they ain't got no draft picks. They just traded the 31 and I think they got what, a 27 and they just traded what they traded 31st and the 29th. But I only. They got one. One, you know, top lottery, unprotected pick.

[Alec Baldwin]

So they. Listen, listen, I'm. You'd have been around the game a very long time. Very long time.

[Bobby Bones]

And you know, Juan Soto. Not Juan Soto. Juan Soto.

[Alec Baldwin]

Juan Soto.

[Bobby Bones]

Even.

[Alec Baldwin]

Even though. Even though. Even if he. European players don't have that same feel for playing for historic franchises like the Lakers, you know, goodwill, he ain't going.

[Bobby Bones]

We'll see. The Spurs.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Announced they're shutting down Victor Wimbanyami. Victor Women. Yama. Excuse me. Down for the remainder. Remainder of the season with a deep vein thrombosis. The San Antonio Express News reported that the spurs are optimistic that Wimby will be ready for next season and that there's not a as serious as the issue with Chris Bosh dealt with. If this is an isolated incident, the spurs believe that it will be closer to what Brandon Ingram dealt with six years ago. Remember Ocho? In 2019, Ingram was diagnosed with a deep venous thrombosis in his right arm that ended his 2018-19 season. But he went on to win 2019. 2020 Most Improved Player. He has not dealt with clotting issues since. Also Ocho. Since he's being shut down, he's going to be ineligible for winning defensive Player of the Year because he won't meet the mandatory minimum of at least 65 games.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

What you thinking?

[Alec Baldwin]

I have, I have a question. How are they able to diagnose how much the severity of the, of the issue is? And they're, they're saying it's not comparable.

[Bobby Bones]

To what their hope. Their hope. They hope it's more in line to what Brandon Ingram dealt with and not with Chris Bosh. Remember, Chris Bosh tried to play again and it reoccurred because normally when you have blood clots, Ocho, you have to take blood thinners. That's something that you stay on for the remainder of your life. So there's a problem because of cut, because the clots, you take blood thinners, you don't get clotting. So what does that mean? You get a nick, you get a cut, you could bleed out. So there's always that, there's always that scare also. Probably I think you'll have a greater chance of a heart attack or something of that nature. My grandmother was on blood thinners because she dealt with clotting and she ended up, she ended up ending up having a leg amputated just below, just above the knee. But like I said, Ocho, she was on blood thinners for the rest of her life. And that's normally, if I'm not mistaken, Serena Williams dealt with blood clots also. So it also depends on the severity where they are. You start getting them in your lungs and boy, woo, you got something to deal with. Any place on the blood card, Ocho could be, could be a very dangerous situation. But they're saying their hope is more in line with what Brandon Ingram dealt with. He missed the remainder of the season. He was able to come back when most improved, hadn't had an issue with it since. Not like Chris Bosh. What eventually led to his early retirement.

[Alec Baldwin]

Now, now one of the things I do want to ask you being that obviously I'm not a health expert. I don't, I don't really know the background when it comes to things like this. Is this something that's hereditary? Does it. That does it just happened that regardless of age.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, clearly he's 20. He's 21. 30.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

My grandmother within her 60s when she dealt with.

[Alec Baldwin]

So, so, so what deciphers whether it happens regardless of age? Is it, is what is it diet Nutri? I mean when you think about somebody like Wimble Yama, you think he eats healthy? He always has. Could I saw some earlier on Twitter today, someone, you know, be slick at the mouth and say, I guarantee you he probably, he probably, you know, he got the vaccine. I'm not saying I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not sure if that has any type of effect, you know, on whether you get blood clots or not. I've, I've listen. You've heard stories that it does, it's called, it's caused people to, to have blood clots that didn't happen before, after getting the vaccine, or you think it's something that's probably in, in the family DNA. Other people have probably had clots that were, you know, part of the family and it just, it trickles down to.

[Bobby Bones]

To everyone else without, without me knowing anything. Ocho is really hard to say. You know, it says that blood clots are solid masses that form within the bloodstream when platelets and fibrin, a protein stick together, which caused the clot. You need some clotting because a, you get cut, you want your blood to clot, you stop from bleeding.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Sometimes you take blood thinner, it thins your blood. There's nothing there to clot it. Okay, Boom. That's another issue you could have. Obviously you get blood clots, you have a heart attack, you have strokes, it leads to a number of other underlining conditions. So Ocho, without really knowing, I mean, that would be something that you'd have to have a health experts to be able to. Someone in cardiothoracic medicine or something like that to be able to give you a more of a detailed look. What, what, what do they think led to it? Is this something that is hereditary? Ocho, I really couldn't tell you. I mean, here what seemingly is a 21 year old healthier male. Yes, sir. And boom, like I said, Chris Bosh was probably 30 when he got it. My grandmother was in her late 60s, early 70s when she got it. So I, I don't really know the rhyme or reason Serena Williams got it. She was in her 20s and I think if I'm not mistaken, Chat, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong. I think Serena might have had it in a, in her lungs. Had one in a lung or something. Maybe it was a calf or. I'm not sure. But people get them in a very, a variety of. Sometimes they get them in the thighs, sometimes they get them in the arm, they get them in their lungs. I really don't know. It's really, it's really, really hard to understand. Some things are hereditary. I'm not necessarily certain that blood clots are something that aren't hereditary.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right. Man, that's tough. That's tough for him. That's tough for The Spurs. That's tough for the fans obviously in San Antonio. Hopefully I'm hoping for a speedy recovery for him and he's able to come back strong next year and, and, and continue to dominate in the way he has so far since he's entered the league. A phenomenal talent, very good. And prayers, prayers to him and his family as well.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I think, I think Serena because I think it happened at Wimbledon. I think she stepped on a. A glass. A piece of glass or something. She was celebrating her victory. I think I, I could. Like I said it's this probably been 20 years ago. So I'm just going off the top of my head made it even long. I think it was like 20 something years ago. And she ended up getting a blood clot if I'm not mistaken, in her lungs. I think, I think that's what happened. Ocho. Like I said, yes. Ash is saying yes, that's what happened. I think she stepped on a piece of glass, ended up getting a cut, ending up developing a blood clot in her lung which was very, very, very, very serious.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So hopefully, like you said. Oh, your thoughts and prayers go out to a speedy recovery for, for wimy 21 years old. Such a bright, bright future in front of him. So hopefully this is only a temporary setback for a major comeback. But you really. Like I said, they're hoping One thing you didn't know, I can assure you when Chris Botch developed his no one thought that this was going to force his early retirement. An anonymous NBA GM called out Adam Sil Silver is obsessed with tournaments Lay in in season not all star they are. They've not proven to benefit our league. Oo what you think the head guy.

[Alec Baldwin]

Saying that the tournaments trying to create excitement, trying to create viewers globally as well. And it's not benefiting the league is not benefiting the players. How's it not the end season tournament? Isn't the end season tournament allowing the players to make extra money and benefit them by having it being played in season?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I guess they're trying to drum up support because here's the thing Ojo look, you got 11, you got 11 what 77 billion over the next seven. 11 years. And so we got it because here the thing is kind of like soccer you man, you know soccer got all the tournaments. They got you the Copa and the this one and the that one.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes. Champions.

[Bobby Bones]

So yes, yes. So I think that's what you know Adam Kamish is trying to get a play off that the play in tournament. I mean people didn't like that. People thought, look, I remember one time when the three point competition was thought his gimmick. I mean the three point shot. They like man, that's a gimmick.

[Alec Baldwin]

Now look, they they everything is a.

[Bobby Bones]

Gimmick until you get used to it. The forward pass was a gimmick, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Forward pass. Like what are you. That's a gimmick. Ain't no, that ain't gonna be. Now, can you imagine a game of football without the forward pass? Everything is more expensive now. Whether you're at the grocery store or the retail store, the last thing anyone wants is Credit card debt in a Chime Credit Builder Card. This is a secure credit card with no annual fees. You can build credit with money set aside to avoid interest or expensive debt. Plus, you'll have access to my pay and get up to 500 of your pay before payday with no mandatory fees. Start building credit with your everyday purchases and regular on time payment with no annual fees, no interest. Credit [e-mail] nightcap can you imagine what you can do with better credit? Home loans, car loans, vacation loans would be easier and interest rates would be lower. Again, that's why you need Chime Credit Builder Card. No annual fees, interest or credit checks to apply. Build your own credit using your own money. Turn everyday purchase into steps toward financial goals with Chime Secure Credit Card. Get started [e-mail] nightcap that's chime.com nightcap Chime feels like progress. The Chime Credit Builder Visa credit cards issued by Bancorp Bank N A or Stride Bank NA Spot meet eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply. Out of network ATM withdrawals and OTC advance fees may apply. Late payments may negatively impact your credit score. Results may vary. My pay eligibility requirements apply. Credit limits range from $20 to $500. Go to chime.comdisclosures for details. Catch Jon Stewart back in action on the Daily show and in your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices of correspondents and contributors, it's your perfect companion to stay on top of what's happening now. Plus, you'll get special content just for podcast listeners, like in depth interviews and a roundup of the week's top headlines. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Alec Baldwin]

The format is not. Not what it should be. And the gm, that complaining. The GM that's complaining about what. What Adam Silver is doing. Why don't the GMs have ideas as well? Why don't they have ideas to continue to grow the game? Why don't they have ideas that they run by Silver to say, listen, I think we can do this. The players will benefit from it. Us as owners will benefit from it. And those that are watching, they'll enjoy it instead of saying, oh, anonymous source complaining about what Silver is actually doing.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, rest is so David Stern. You're like, look, y'all going either play or we going to call back some of this money.

[Alec Baldwin]

Which one you want?

[Bobby Bones]

You really that simple? I. You shouldn't have to beg guys to play hard. Oh, if you making 150, 200, $300 million, I don't really think it's asking too much. I really don't. Now, I could be wrong, Chat and y'all might be totally disagree. Oh, the season too long and yada, yada, yada. I get all that. The season isn't any longer than what it was the last 50 years. How long have they been playing 82 games? Forever and a day. So this notion about all the games. Well, no, it's not. No, it's not. These guys should be in better shape because they have. They know better. They got better training, they got better nutrition. They got better supplementation. They got around the clock physios and trainers and yada, yada, yada. They got chefs that prepare their food and cook whatever. So there's no excuse to play hard. To ask you to play hard. Are you making 300 million, Ocho?

[Alec Baldwin]

Damn, man. Listen, I got a coach. Let me get. I only need. I only need 300. Why don't you give me one? Give me 150.

[Bobby Bones]

Cause you know what? Ocho. I remember working hard when I was making five.

[Alec Baldwin]

Talk to me. You never, never lose.

[Bobby Bones]

I remember work. I remember working hard, making 10, making 16, catching a thousand chickens. Making a dollar, a thousand. Catch 16,000 chicken, make $16. I worked hard for that little bit of money. What the hell you think I do for 10 million, 20 million, 30, let.

[Alec Baldwin]

Alone 300, if you think about it, I think if players, when they make that kind of money, if they understood and never forgot where you came from before you had that kind of money and what you did to get to where you are, I think sometimes they lose sight of that. Huh?

[Bobby Bones]

I really do.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know, money. Money is changing now. It changes. Sometimes it change you for the better. Sometimes it change you for the worse.

[Bobby Bones]

I think sometimes money makes you more what you already are. Yeah. What are you at your core? What are you when you don't have it? Because now when you get it, it exacerbates what you already are.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's a good one. Here, boy.

[Bobby Bones]

That's why people, you know, bro, if you got an eating problem and you on a college budget, what happens if I give you 10, 15, $20 million? Ocho.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hey. Or that.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Money. No money. Oh, he changed what he got, but no, he wasn't. He was always that. He just needed the money for y'all to sin and his true self. That's all that was change. He's always been this he or she. I'm not gonna say he or just yes, he. He or she.

[Alec Baldwin]

When it works well, women as well. Sometimes it ain't got to be money. Sometimes it could be attention, you know? You know what happen when you get that you never had it before and you start getting it from everywhere. You get your big head. You know, you start feeling yourself, you know, you start over valuing the boy.

[Bobby Bones]

So, yeah, I've been. I. I get. I get what Adam is trying to do. Adam is trying to grow the game. Trying to. Because, you know, Osaka have these in season tournaments and all this stuff we saw what hockey just had the. What is that called?

[Alec Baldwin]

The nation.

[Bobby Bones]

Something for nation. Four. Four nations or something. What they call it was Finland, Sweden, Sweden, Canada and us. See, but one thing, hockey. Hockey, they be playing hard.

[Alec Baldwin]

Once you touch that ice, you strap up. You strap up. Listen, you know what time it is?

[Bobby Bones]

I. I think. Ojo. I think. I think a lot. I think the difference. Adam, Adam and the players. He views the player as players, as partners. They serve me any of that. Partner. I'm partnered with the owners. We partners, y'all. Employees, just like the NFL, the partners are the broadcast network in the NFL. The employees are the players. And they don't let you. They don't let you forget it as such.

[Alec Baldwin]

And if you do forget, they will remind you.

[Bobby Bones]

They remind you. They remind you. Yeah. Yeah, they definitely remind you. O Joe. Steve Kerr told ESPN he wasn't mad at Katie for rejecting the trade at Golden State. I don't blame Kevin one bit for not wanting re. Rerun things here. It took so much ish for like, oh, you're jumping on the bandwagon and he's finals MVP two years in a row and it's still. And he still gets criticized. So why would he want to face all the BS again? Katie responded to the comment. That's not the reason why I didn't want to come back. I just didn't want to get traded. Midway through the season, do you believe.

[Alec Baldwin]

KD A little bit. A little bit. A little bit of me believes him, obviously. I think even though it was midway through the season, I think through the experiment in Phoenix and I don't think it's worked. I think it's failed. Obviously, thinking of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you know, it's an absolute failure. Brooklyn was an absolute.

[Alec Baldwin]

That was too. And I think. I mean, for kd, I would. I don't want to. I hate calling it ring chasing, but I would have went to the better situation, obviously, going back over there with Draymond Green and Steph and trying to run it back and trying to run it back again. And I think the missing piece for them to get them over the hump and probably give them the opportunity in the west would be KD going back. Because what's going to happen right now in Phoenix? Where you going in, you think?

[Bobby Bones]

Nothing.

[Alec Baldwin]

Nothing at all.

[Bobby Bones]

Nothing.

[Alec Baldwin]

Nothing at all. But I think you want to stay there. If you know KD know personally and you watch him from afar and you know his story, he loves the game of basketball. Huh? He loves the game of basketball. If he's going to be behind the eight ball, he gonna do. He gonna scratch, crawl and do everything he can to have success down there in Arizona and leave out the right way.

[Bobby Bones]

I think the thing why KD was so successful, he didn't have to worry about anything. Football, you see, in Brooklyn, he had to be a leader, you see. Okay, see, And Phoenix, he has to be a leader. Steph took care of that. Draymond took care of that. Clay took care of that. So now he just gets to do what he really wants to do, which is Who? I don't gotta. We have no pep talk. I ain't gotta say pick this ish up. I ain't gotta do none of that. I come in, I do what I do. I go home and chill. That's what he wants to do. Got no problem with that. A part of me. Part of me does believe that he didn't want to get traded during the season, so he wanted, you know, ride this lot with his boys, ride out. What I mean, I mean, what do you think?

[Alec Baldwin]

They started it off. They thought it was going to work. They thought the trio would build Devin Booker and him would work some magic out there in the West. It hasn't worked itself out, but I just think the fact that he's bounced around from Brooklyn, you know, went to Golden State. He didn't want to continue that same trend and be like, here we go again. You know, at some point, what's gonna happen?

[Bobby Bones]

They gonna probably move.

[Alec Baldwin]

When your relationships on, you get tired of moving on, man. You get tired of moving on. And sometimes you're like, you know what? I'm gonna just stick this one out. I know it ain't working, but I'm gonna stick it out and do everything I can until it's time to leave. And I can tell you when he's leaving in the goddamn summer.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so. So what'd you do? All you did to lay the inevitable, you was miserable for another, another three, four months because they not going nowhere. They're not doing anything. They don't have any defense. They're just like. They're just. They're just like the Lakers. They got no defense. They got all those scores. I mean, you got two guys that really is the same guy. Booker's more athletic. 9. I think he's a better player. I don't think he is. I know he's a better player than Bradley Beal, but that saying, you got all that scoring, where your defense at? Now they get hot. You got on a given night, any of those guys can go to 30 or 40. Now they've relegated Bradley Beal to the bench because they hoping he would waive his no trade clause and then they could trade him and get Jimmy Butler. But he's like, nah, I put that in there for a reason. I put that in there for a reason. I don't want to go anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. So whether you want me or not, you know what I'm saying? Don't tell you, hey, sometimes it's cheaper to keep it.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's crazy how that's crazy how players. You see the leverage NBA players have when it comes to stuff like that.

[Bobby Bones]

He has a no trade. He don't have no leverage. He got a no trade clause. He and LeBron James, one of the two players that have no trade. So if he didn't have.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's why I said leverage. That's all I meant. But you mean to tear up me. You don't want me because I'm not as playing as well as you thought I should. I'm trying to do it everything I can. Obviously, injuries are hampered, me performing. Performing to what we're used to. Seeing me play like, and I just got here and you trying to get me to uproot my family, man. Child, please put this no trade clause in there. It's in there for a reason.

[Bobby Bones]

There.

[Alec Baldwin]

There's a reason. Why? Because there's a chance.

[Bobby Bones]

They got a man coming out the bench. They got him coming off the bench.

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That be like you. They like, man, we want to move you like. Nah, I ain't going. Okay, Archo, you the slot. You're the third receiver now.

[Alec Baldwin]

Third who?

[Bobby Bones]

You the third receiver.

[Alec Baldwin]

You might be talking about Madden.

[Bobby Bones]

Third receiver. You got a no trade. You don't. They want to trade you. You don't want to go. Okay, you the third receiver. I guess you go in there. I guess you go in there, catch your get your little 3, 4 targets on Sunday and come on home.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hey, hey. That's a lot of cardio, boy. That's a lot of cardio, huh? Damn. I. I don't, I don't. I never looked at it like that. But when you're making that kind of money. Oh, you want me to play? What?

[Bobby Bones]

Wait a minute.

[Alec Baldwin]

Let me, let me look at this. How much I'm making. And that's all you want me to do. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Bet.

[Alec Baldwin]

I mean, the competitor gonna be at.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I mean, that's. Yeah, but I'm not gonna do anything to jeopardize.

[Alec Baldwin]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

That money, right?

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, yeah, most definitely.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, Bradley bill probably making 45, $50 million a year, couldn't it? So. Okay, that's all. Hey, this all y'all want me to do is get y'all 28 minutes a night, 30 minutes a night, and ain't really no strain on me. Cause I'm coming off the bench. I mean, look, he's going together, me coming off the bench. A lot of times you coming in there, you know, that's the second. You're going against the second unit. So I guess they Say you can get your points that way because you know the ball is going to go to KD first. Those are your first two options. Bradley, Bill has never been a third option. He's always been. He was. He was 12 when he had John Wall. When John Wall left, it was him. You know, I guess he had. I think he had Russ. No, he had Russ for a year or two, but he was the first scoring option, even though Russ had the ball in his hand. So he's never been like this. He's never been in a situation where he's not used to being able to. To get as many shots as he wants. He's a third option, no matter how you look at it. Oh, that's he one of the best third options. At the end of the day, you still the third option.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know what? Even as a starter, and I'm thinking about if I was a starter, as a number one, let's say I was the number one in Cincinnati. Same scenario, I go to New England and I'm the third or I'm the fourth guy, because the options in front of me are better at that time. In that specific system. That does something to your psyche. You know that, right? It does something to yourself.

[Bobby Bones]

I would take your word for it. I mean, I wasn't, you know, I wouldn't know like that. I wouldn't know. Third option, no trouble. But I take your word for it.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know, some. Some.

[Bobby Bones]

What you want me to do. How do you want me to. I can't empathize for a situation. I have a bit. I have empathy for you. So you know what I'm gonna do, Ocho? You know, empathy, empathy requires you to divorce your ego, separate your ego, and see yourself in a similar situation. So, you know what, Ocho? Okay.

[Alec Baldwin]

Pretend you Bradley Beard right now. I go from somewhere where I'm able to play freely. Now I'm coming off a bench where I can't take. I can't take a high volume of shots. So now I'm messed up up here. Not only am I messed up here, when I do get on the court, sometimes I might hesitate because I'm not in rhythm. That means my shot efficiency and shot selection has to be that much better. It does. It does something to you.

[Bobby Bones]

True. Well, look, I'mma tell you because I think when I got back, I got back to Denver, Rod was clearly the number one. Easy. Ed was coming off a severe leg injury. So, you know, it's basically me and Ed fighting for two, three. Oh, there's some games so you had.

[Alec Baldwin]

Been in that position where you were the three.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I was always. I finished. No, I never finished. When I was on the team, I never finished. No. Once I became what I became, I never finished worse than second.

[Alec Baldwin]

I understand that, but when. Eddie, you talking from a statistical standpoint, but I'm just saying you were the. You were the three no matter what.

[Bobby Bones]

How you. I was not the three. I was.

[Alec Baldwin]

Ron Smith, Ed McCaffrey were the ones with the one and two and Rod was one.

[Bobby Bones]

I was two and I was 2A. I don't know what you talking about.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hey, it sounds good. It sounds good.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, they know y'all better. You better check. You better check it. How? Hey, you tell me the time you've seen a third receiver get 2:14 in the game.

[Alec Baldwin]

What happened when somebody hurt?

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, what third receiver? You know, just saying. Ok, let's get right into it. The Athletic dropped an article today about the MAV. The MAVs wanted Luca to use the injury time off to improve conditioning. According to the article in November, Luca missed five games with what the Mavericks announced was a right. A right wrist sprain. That injury was. Classification was not entirely true. Being reported. In reality, Luka was supposed to use the time off to improve his conditioning. Team sources said it was the one of the straws that broke the perverted.

[Alec Baldwin]

Camel'S back because he decided not to use the time off for conditioning. That was the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what re reported. This will be Luca's first season playing fewer than 60 games. Now, here's the kicker where everybody's like, well, hold on, wait a minute. On the other side, AD is six years older and has failed to compete in 60 games. Four of the last.

[Alec Baldwin]

Something ain't making no sense, huh? Something is not making any sense because you trade for somebody and you trade your better player that's played over 60 games for most of his career outside of one, and you bring in somebody that hasn't played in over 60 games, four out of five of the last season. So something ain't making sense. That's why I think, and I still think today, whatever the true reason is that they traded Luka, it hasn't been said yet.

[Bobby Bones]

I believe two things can be true. I believe they had grown frustration with trying to tell Luke about his conditioning. I also believe they didn't want to pay him 450, $50 million.

[Alec Baldwin]

Hey, hey. Unknown. Even though I just started watching basketball. When you name the top three players in the NBA right now is Luka one of. One of the three.

[Bobby Bones]

When he's at his best. Yes.

[Alec Baldwin]

I don't need to hear no more.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, but let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of argument. Let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Coach Belichick.

[Alec Baldwin]

Yes, sir.

[Bobby Bones]

He resigns. Tom Brady is in year, year five. He's already won three Super Bowls, but he resigns. Andy Reid after last year said, you know what? I'm good. You don't think people was going like, well, hold on. Why you still got a guy that's in his prime, what's really going on? And I think the thing for me, my. My attention, my. I. I got like, hold on. You mean to Rick, tell me Rick Carlisle has a guy that's 23 years of age and he don't want a contract extension, he'd rather go coach Indiana.

[Alec Baldwin]

And it don't make no sense for Rick Carlisle, because even if you do go to Indiana, even if you do go to Indiana, you still don't have a player like what you got over here in Dallas, especially with that, not at the Colts. So as a coach, you notice whether it be football for Andy Reid, he had Donovan, Donovan McNabb, he never had. We never had a Patrick Mahomes, though.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Alec Baldwin]

Players like this come around every so often, especially one as special as Luka. You don't leave and go somewhere else because of problems with conditioning. Things that can actually be fixed, especially when the product itself, when it touches the court, it gives you that kind of goddamn production.

[Bobby Bones]

But they don't. But see, you said it can be fixed. They were wanting him to fix it, and he wasn't fixing it. That's the fact. Ocho, what happens if the team, if the team says, ocho, we want you to be here on camp, we want you. Hey, at some point in time, they gonna get tired of telling you. Now, if we. Let's just fast forward right quick to Aaron Rodgers. What did Aaron Rodgers say this year? He said at the beginning of season, if we don't get this thing right, we're all going to be out of here. Joe Douglas is gone. Robert Salah is gone. Nathaniel Hackett is gone. Aaron Rodgers is gone. They're looking at it like, hold on. If we don't get this thing right with Luca, we all gonna be up out of here.

[Alec Baldwin]

When it comes to the game of basketball, you know basketball, when it came. When it comes to the any sport, it's all about what you're superstar and they have to do what? Consistently, outside of updating your resume, you have to perform. You have to perform. At any point in Luger's career, have his number decreased.

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Alec Baldwin]

What we arguing?

[Bobby Bones]

What we.

[Alec Baldwin]

What we.

[Bobby Bones]

What.

[Alec Baldwin]

What do we talk about? Look, conditioning. Too fast, too slow. The number have remained the same thing. Consistent.

[Bobby Bones]

I get that. But everybody. See, everybody keeps saying, do this, do this. That's easy to say when it's not your 450 million. See, it's easy to say, I would do this. It's not your money. People leave a restaurant and don't go back when they don't get good Service on a $60 tab. What you going to do when you got 400 million and that money is fully guaranteed? Because a lot of times, if you get a bad meal, Ocho, they'll say, you know what, Mr. Mr. Johnson, we're going to take this off. This one's on us. When you sign a $400 million contract, players ain't giving you back.

[Alec Baldwin]

But the one thing players are played based on performance. On the hardwood. On the hardwood. His performance has always been the heat. It's always the cream of the crop. He's always been top of the list in almost every statistical category. So you're not gonna. Okay, you can say it because they actually did it. You're not gonna tell me, me. That's why I'm not a gm. That's why I'm not in that position. That's not why I'm sitting in that seat, in the high seat, making, making judgment calls on who I should keep and who I should play. Because ain't no way in hell I'm trading Luca. And nothing when it comes to producing on the court is going wrong. Whether he's fat, whether he's skinny, whether he's out of shape. Because if you're doing what you're doing while you're out of shape, imagine if I can get the right people with you or convince you to get in shape, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you have the right people? You do realize that when they hire a superstar, when you get a superstar, they bring your people on. They let you bring your people on. Right, Ocho? You do realize that. It ain't like football. Now, Tom Brady had a very unique circumstance where he got had his guy right there with him. But most football teams don't do that. NBA teams allow you to do that.

[Alec Baldwin]

You know what? I can't say.

[Bobby Bones]

Mike Messiah, Mike macias travel with LeBron. He always has. Randy Mims travel with LeBron. Always has. So you said the right people. Hell, he got the people that he wants now.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's in the right place now, but with someone, sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I hope he learned. I hope he looks at LeBron like, well, damn, this man playing like this.

[Alec Baldwin]

He wouldn't let him take no shortcuts. Not, not over there. Absolutely not. Not only are you able to watch, but you're able to see someone that's done it for 20 something odd years at the highest level and is actually the NBA's all time leading scorer. Luka's looking at that. LeBron is talking to him. You know they gonna have that talk. I know he had that talk before because all the rumbling through the media, I would love that conversation. I would love insight on how you've been able to do it this goddamn long. How about I do you know what? How about I change up my routine? How about I tighten up on my discipline and my structure in the way I do things in my approach to the game? Well, if I'm already great and I'm somewhat lazy in a sense in my approach to preparing for the game and I'm playing extremely well, what happens if I tighten up the motherfu Almost curse what happened? If I tighten up the bolts and approach the game of basketball the way LeBron does, ain't no telling what I can achieve. And I'm already great right now.

[Bobby Bones]

But everybody doesn't have that mindset. Ocho, I think LeBron came in, I think he had a couple of goals. He wanted to be considered the best player to ever play the game. He wanted to play as long as he possibly could. So he took the steps very early on. If you hear people talk about when LeBron was in high school, you hear people talk about LeBron when he first got there, how everything is so routine, it's so regimented, from his rest time to his nap to his stretching, getting to the arena so many guy hours early, getting his work, getting his lift in, getting his shots up, everything for 22 years. Structure, structure, structure, structure. Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline.

[Alec Baldwin]

Everybody doesn't want that arm have a goddamn choice. Understand? Coming out of high school, the odds were stacked against him. All the pressure was on him. The expectations were out the roof. So he had no choice but to approach the game of basketball being the chosen one coming out of high school, hell, they in 10th grade. I think you said it yourself, 10th grade. He could have came and played in the NBA right then and now.

[Bobby Bones]

I think, I think a situation. Ocho, when you look at Luka, Luka had been a professional since he was 16. He had a lot of. He had a. He had a lot of expectations placed on him. People thought he was going to be good. I didn't think he was going to be this good because everybody said no, he can play. I was like, bro, he played in. He said when he said it's easier to score in the NBA than it is in Europe. I say this kid out of his damn mind and lo and behold, he ain't make me out to be a liar. He never averaged the amount of points he's averaging over Europe as he's doing here. He's averaging 29 points a game in his career. He had the second highest playoff scored average.

[Alec Baldwin]

But I think Jordan is over in Europe. Where he was playing, I can't, I can't remember where. I don't remember exactly where. Do you think they played better defense? You think that's what it is? Are the dimensions of the court a little smaller? There has to be some type of difference.

[Bobby Bones]

I think the thing is Ocho, is that the game is not as free flowing as it is here every day. I mean you run plays, they don't let you do a whole lot of ISO over there. So you know, it's kind of like Coach Smith, Dean Smith, Coach Smith when he was at North Carolina, the only guy that can keep Michael Jordan under 20 points a game was Coach Smith. Because of his offense didn't allow him to get loose. Nobody saw Michael being able to do what he did in the NBA based on what he did in college. Same thing with Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis was a defensive player at Kentucky. I didn't see this kind of offense from him. Now he was a sensational defensive player. I'm surprised he doesn't have a defensive player of the year already considering the way he can slide, the way he can challenge at multiple positions. Guard, multiple positions, tremendous in the picket role, weak side help. I'm surprised he doesn't have one already. But it's his offense that's been most impressive. He went to mainly a put back dunk law player to now he has a mid range now he can take it all the way out to three. Luka, you looking at Luke, you're like well yeah, he getting some points. He getting 18, 19 points a game. But look how he's playing against. Will he come over here and play against grown men?

[Alec Baldwin]

He averaged 34 games then tell me if I'm wrong. So when I watch Luka play, all his damn moves look like it's in slow motion or am I tripping not only do his moves look like it's in slow motion, they work every goddamn time. He has. No, he didn't have quick, quick twitch fibers like a Kyrie or I'm trying to think or who else is it really explosive? Russell Westbrook, obviously. He's a bigger man.

[Bobby Bones]

John Moran. No, he don't have that explosive like that.

[Alec Baldwin]

He does have. They work every time. And I swear, maybe it's because I'm watching from tv, it look like it's in slow motion.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Yeah, he is. And that's why you can't time him up. Because while you done jump, he ain't left the ground yet. And when you on your way out, when you're on your way down, he on his way up. So now he gonna get a hand one or he gonna get you to fouling so he. He could. He plays at his pace. He's not going to allow you to speed him up and make him play at your pace. He's really good. He can get off any shot. He's a lot bigger than you think he has. Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show, and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors. And with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed, listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say. With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.

[Bobby Bones]

There was something sentimental when you. When you send it. It was like Do I send the heart now?

[Matt Castle]

I don't like the color edition.

[Bobby Bones]

It's extremely pink.

[Matt Castle]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, this is Mel Reid, LPGA Tour winner and six time Ladies European Tour winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC sports reporter and host. You forgot to say all my Miss America, by the way. And we've got a new podcast, Quiet Please with Mel and Kira. We are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some golf haps and interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower or just people we like. Plus tales from the road and everything in between. By the way, golf isn't just for the dads, Brads and chads. Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code and we're not going to be quiet about it on or off the course. We're bringing on some of our friends like Michelle We, Heather McMahon, Amanda Baliotis. So if you want to keep up with us, and here is yap, tune into our new podcast, Listen to Quiet Please with Mel and Kira, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. What's up, everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the.

[Alec Baldwin]

New podcast G O T E Greatest.

[Bobby Bones]

Of Their Era with Seth Curry.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't want to miss our first.

[Bobby Bones]

Episode that's out now.

[Alec Baldwin]

We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. When you have a scouting report and you're on the the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.

[Bobby Bones]

And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

[Alec Baldwin]

Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is a lie. Okay, okay, I'm mad him.

[Bobby Bones]

I left him off my list, but.

[Alec Baldwin]

I still like my list.

[Bobby Bones]

You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations. Love it.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to Goat Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. A lot bigger body than you think and is Stronger than you think. Because you're looking at him and you're like, I don't see not one definition. The only definition I see is that if you got a dictionary in your hand, definition is in there. That's the only definition I see. But it's the same thing with Yoke. When you look at Jokic, you don't see no definition. But he giving you 30, 20, 18.

[Alec Baldwin]

Every time I watch Denver play, why he always look tired the whole game. It look like he breathing hard the whole game, but every time he take a shot. Meaning, move me, baby.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it's working. But look, I think the thing is, that's a lot. I mean, look, we're going to see when I'm trying to think, the next guy that's available that's really good, that can get this kind of money.

[Alec Baldwin]

You said Shade.

[Bobby Bones]

But Shay can't get a supermax like this because he got traded, remember? See, Ant man got. Ant man have been. Was drafted to Timberwolves. Ant man or Wimby?

[Alec Baldwin]

Wimby just finna get it. He definitely finna. Well, Ant man ain't no reason he should get it, too. I know the Wolves ain't gonna pull no, no slick stuff over there. They ain't got no choice but to give it to him.

[Bobby Bones]

When Byama becomes a supermax eligible player, meaning his rookie extension base salary would be 30% of the salary cap, and 30 instead of 25. When he enters his eighth year, he'll be 35% max eligible, as opposed to the traditional 30%. So whatever the cap is, he's entitled to 35% of that.

[Alec Baldwin]

Damn.

[Bobby Bones]

So he's available for 20, 30% of it of his rookie extension. Hey, hey, that's what. So he's gonna be worth 35% of that? No, he's worth 30.

[Alec Baldwin]

He worth every penny. Hey, Wimby, is everything advertised, right? Everything. Every bit of it. So whatever penny he get, he's earning every bit of it. Watching Ant man play, every penny he's gonna get, he's worth every bit.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Wimy Wimby is definitely going to be the first $400 million player.

[Alec Baldwin]

And speaking of. Remember I told you I was going to start investing in going to the basketball game so I can. I can be better suited.

[Bobby Bones]

Jason T. About to hear that. I mean, think about. Look what you. Jason Tatum just got. He just got three. What, 320. He 26. But that's. But what. What about those next four years? It's 455. He'll be 31. So what's his next contract? Go be his next contract. Might be. Hey, he might hit that 400. He just got 320. It's hard to see a scenario. He's going to be 31, Ocho. For him not to get another supermax.

[Alec Baldwin]

Boy, that's nasty work there, boy. That's nasty work, boy.

[Bobby Bones]

It's. It's. It's good. It's great money.

[Alec Baldwin]

You got to understand, you. You want. You. You wanted the best in the world. You wanted a 1 percenters now. And that's what I meant to tell you right before we go on.

[Bobby Bones]

What?

[Alec Baldwin]

I just. I just got courtside tickets. The Timberwolves play the Heat March 7th. Yeah, March 7th or March 6th, something like that. Whatever it was. I'm sitting right next to the bench. Well, I don't. Sitting right next to Bam, Right. I'm a church at Anthony Edwards the whole game. The whole game the same way Spike Lee do. And I want to make sure I'm better suited to talk about basketball so I can sound like Tim Legger. So I can sound like Doris Burke or George Adano. And when I come on here and you. And you wonder what the hell happened to me and why I'm talking about the game the way I am, as if I played it all my life. You know why?

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, Ocho, so you know the discourse about the NBA wouldn't be complete without KD chiming in. Kd, this is what he tweeted. I think it's more fun to complain about the NBA than actually watch it. Crazy. Cancel All Star Weekend. Let's just give everybody a break since we're so miserable around this time. Oh, Joe, what you got?

[Alec Baldwin]

I understand KD's frustrations. I wouldn't even call it frustration. I think he's more so listen, it's All Star Break. We ain't trying to hurt ourselves. We tried to create different formats to appease you as fans, to appease the viewers, and it's not working. Well, you know what? How about we just cancel all this? Because no matter what we do, we can't make y'all happy. We failed at it. Adam Silver has failed. The players have failed. We don't want to play because I think, for one, as much as the players make in anything that you do, whether it be in the corporate world, whether it be in sports, anytime money is involved and it's incentivized, it makes you want to do whatever it is a little bit harder, even though they make so much. That's why that was My suggestion yesterday, have some type of format where it's incentivized, where they can make a huge chunk of change, even though they make millions during the regular season, because outside of that, they already have FU money. So trying to get them to play at the All Star Game ain't gonna happen. That's why they shooting 100 threes and throwing 200 alley oops. That's what you gonna get.

[Bobby Bones]

Look, he. Obviously KD was being sarcastic. He's tired of hearing the criticism about the All Star Game and the All Star Game format and, and about not playing hard and things of that nature. KD is one of the ones. He hear what people saying, and it's his product and he's proud of the type of game that he plays. But everybody is not proud of the type of performance that a lot of the guys give at the All Star Game. And, you know, they voice their displeasure. It had been interesting to see. I would have loved to have seen, had Twitter been around in the 90s, early 2000s, what would have been said. I think now, because you have social media, Ocho, and we don't have to wait, we don't have to just get our information because we can go online if we got a problem with something. How could I. If I didn't like something, how could I say it? Ocho, I couldn't say it. But at the Barbershop now I can get online, I can get on players, I can get on players profile his. His timeline.

[Alec Baldwin]

Talk some trash, man.

[Bobby Bones]

You suck.

[Alec Baldwin]

And honestly, honestly, I think it's a great thing. I. I think it's a great thing. I think it's a great thing for fans. It gives everybody a voice, gives everybody a reason, whether. Whether right or wrong. Whether right or wrong. And for those, and for players, especially athletes, elite athletes, like a KD LeBron as well, sometimes they engage back. I think for. For people that are fans of certain players or just fan of whatever sports you play, just knowing that you can. Even if they don't respond, knowing that you can add someone that you like or dislike and send message whether they see it or not, I think that's one of the greatest feelings in the world. I think it is. I really think it is. I mean, obviously, but it has.

[Bobby Bones]

I agree. I agree. No, I'm saying I. I agree with you. You know, some guys, Some guys don't pay any attention. KD is one of those guys that he's going to respond if he think you've been dis. I mean, he don't respond to all things. But he responds to enough of them. He's one of the guys that probably respond more than anybody, maybe any professional athlete that I, that I know.

[Alec Baldwin]

And not just, not just any athlete. We talk about one of the best to ever play the game. You got one of the best to ever play the game. That's great right now. That takes his time out to engage with people. Whether it's negative or positive. That's a good thing. That's a great thing. And I wish more players were like that. Most of them that have accounts, they have other people running their account. You know, all they do is post, you know, stuff that is promoting things that they are doing. You know, sponsors and endorsements and stuff like that or wherever, clothing or you know, whatever it may be. But people like Katie and LeBron at times they actually, they chirp back and forth.

[Bobby Bones]

LeBron sits out the All Star game. It's his first time missing an all star game in his career. His year 22, he's a 21 time starter player because of lingering discomfort in his left foot and ankle. Do you agree lebron accepted knowing he probably wouldn't play?

[Alec Baldwin]

Absolutely. But he'd have been there 20 times before that. Had nothing. Had nothing.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Alec Baldwin]

He's earned one way. He's earned the right to be able to sit out in the All Star game where they're not going to be playing serious anyway. It's okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Exactly. Sit out now. Let Norman Powell get an All Star game selection just like Giannis. Giannis knew he had a little slight injury. He pulled out. Now Trae Young is a four time all star selection. That's the problem that I got you right. He earned a right but he didn't get it until Saturday. You know you're not going to play. Why you block somebody else from playing. That's just like, just like you Ocho, you know you're not gonna play in the Pro bowl something your first alternate.

[Alec Baldwin]

But you go hold on now, now, hold on now. What if LeBron, even though he wasn't playing wanted to be there and be part of the team?

[Bobby Bones]

He Giannis was there. Did you not see Giannis in the uniform?

[Alec Baldwin]

Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. He should have pulled out completely in general for. Okay, I see, I see what you mean.

[Bobby Bones]

He could, they obviously they still gonna let him come. He's still the biggest, biggest name in basketball. Sure. They gonna love to love to have Wall get introduced in year 21 and year 22 or 21 time starter NBA starting from LeBron James, give him that. Let the fans see that. But bro, come on, man. Norman Powell deserved to be. I thought Norman, he didn't deserve it. He earned the right to be there with the way he's played in the first half of the season. Now I ain't, I ain't. Breaking news to the chat. Y'all know I'm the biggest fan of LeBron's biggest supporter being that. But I disagree. I wholeheartedly, wholeheartedly and strenuously disagree with his decision to make this announcement the day of the All Star game. He knew he wasn't gonna play. Y'all think LeBron just made this decision today? Really?

[Alec Baldwin]

Yeah. Nobody thinks that. And honestly, I can't even be mad at him because we talking. This is LeBron. I mean, this, this is LeBron. If there, if there's one person that, you know, what if, if I'm not going to play? I earn every right to decide Sunday morning or decide Saturday morning.

[Bobby Bones]

No, LeBron James is not bigger than basketball.

[Alec Baldwin]

I didn't say he was bigger than basketball.

[Bobby Bones]

So you talking about he's earned the right? No, he has not. No, he hasn't. No.

[Alec Baldwin]

Oh, no, I vehemently disagree with you that. If LeBron, LeBron James, the all time leading scorer in the NBA, decides, you know what, at the All Star game this Sunday, you know, I don't want to play, he should be able.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you see? No, see, no, no, I'm not saying he doesn't have that right. I'm saying he doesn't have the right to do that Sunday, the day of the game, make that decision on Thursday.

[Alec Baldwin]

Wait, you telling, you telling, you telling him.

[Bobby Bones]

You leave Shaq's team now? Shaq team only has seven players.

[Alec Baldwin]

They're down a man, seven players, five players, four players. They ain't even playing for real. They might as well play one on one. You just said it yourself. They just shooting three. They might well just play horse.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so he can't do, he couldn't do that. Okay. Do what Giannis did. Giannis says, I'm not going to play. And guess what? Trey got to come. Norman Powell would have got an opportunity to come.

[Alec Baldwin]

What if it was a lingering issue and it didn't flare up until he got there?

[Bobby Bones]

Man, stop it, Ocho.

[Alec Baldwin]

I'm just, I'm asking the question. That's a possibility.

[Bobby Bones]

It didn't. So let me ask you. It lingered. So what did he do to cause it to flare up?

[Alec Baldwin]

You know, shit be acting up now when you hit your forties now, what.

[Bobby Bones]

Did he do to cause it to linger? Did he play basketball in between Wednesday.

[Alec Baldwin]

Night, he just played.

[Bobby Bones]

Wednesday. Wednesday, he played Wednesday, remember? So Thursday he was off, Friday he was off, Saturday he was off. Sunday he makes an announcement that he's not going to play an All Star Game. So I'm just trying to figure out what did he do in between Wednesday after the game and today that calls it the third.

[Alec Baldwin]

That's a good question. That's a good question. I would text him and ask him, but, you know, I kind of, I agree and disagree with you, honestly, because it is LeBron and the fact that he's made the all star for his 20, 21st year, if I'm not mistaken, 21 straight starts, you know, and he wanted to actually be there even if he didn't play. And I think that's why he didn't pull out.

[Bobby Bones]

Ocho, he could have. Giannis is there.

[Alec Baldwin]

You keep Giannis. We talk about LeBron. LeBron doesn't want to do what Giannis is doing.

[Bobby Bones]

But you said, you said he wanted to be there. He could have come and do exactly what he did. Nothing.

[Alec Baldwin]

Well, I, I, I, listen, I, I, I, I agree with you to an extent, and there's another side of me that doesn't agree with you, so I, I, I, I get what you're saying. That's just what, that's what Ron chose.

[Bobby Bones]

Not to do Traffic. That's all. Okay, but I'm saying, you know, I don't want to play, but don't show Ocho, you know, good. Well, if you've been sick for three days, why you show up on them people job and then go walk into work? I ain't gonna be able to come to work today. You could have called in to do that. So we could have had somebody come in and fill up your job. Now we, now you leaving. We ain't got nobody to fill the spot. Why you come, why did you come tell Ocho. Why did you come tell me you not gonna be able to work today? You could call it that. I just like, like I said, look, hey, y'all know how I feel about LeBron, but I don't disagree with him on this one. He long disagrees. Translate me of me on this. On this decision.

[Matt Castle]

The volume. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school and write at night. And after nine hours you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the.

[Alec Baldwin]

New podcast Got E Greatest of Their.

[Bobby Bones]

Era with Seth Curry.

[Alec Baldwin]

You don't want to miss our first.

[Bobby Bones]

Episode that's out now.

[Alec Baldwin]

We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters. You might as well just count that and get on back on defense. And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s. That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, absolutely.

[Alec Baldwin]

Love it.

[Bobby Bones]

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