Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby UNREAL Game 1 in WCF + SGA’s MVP Upset Wemby

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby UNREAL Game 1 in WCF + SGA’s MVP Upset Wemby

Date: May 19, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, Joe Johnson, Isaiah Thomas

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the staggering performance by Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby") in Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals: San Antonio Spurs vs. OKC Thunder. The hosts break down Wemby's historic 41-point, 24-rebound, 3-block game, debate the implications for the rest of the series, and discuss the young Spurs' potential dynasty run. They also reflect on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) winning his second MVP, key contributions from other players like Caruso and Dylan Harper, and the matchup dynamics of the youngest playoff team in history.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Victor Wembanyama’s Historic Game

• Record-breaking Performance:

  • 41 points, 24 rebounds, 3 blocks, and a steal in double-overtime (06:51, 12:03)
  • Youngest player in NBA history with a 40/20 playoff game
  • Compared to Nikoka Jokic’s previous WCF performance: “The last guy to have a...40-20 game since Nikola Jokic...against this very Thunder team.” – Joe (07:52)

• Game Impact:

  • Wemby stopped every Thunder run, anchoring the Spurs both offensively and defensively.
  • “The big champagne! He was bubbling all night long.” – Joe (07:52)
  • "It was about moments, especially in transition. Caruso hitting big shots. Goddamn Wimby hitting big shots... He hit one, what was that, 74ft?... With extreme confidence." – Ochocinco (11:08-11:30)
  • "I don't really know if we understand how special of a performance this was by Wimby tonight. Because it's in real time...the things that he's able to do on the court." – Isaiah Thomas (15:42)
  • Defensive impact compared to Deion Sanders’ “no-throw” NFL effect: “With him in the paint, bro, it's just way too hard because you think you got something.” – Isaiah Thomas (16:09-16:57)
  • Altered more shots than blocks recorded: “They only had him down for three blocks. Real talk, he probably altered 15 to 17 shots, if not more…” – Isaiah Thomas (24:33)

• Leadership & Demeanor:

  • “I got this. Don’t even worry about it. Why y’all look concerned, get the concern off your face with me here.” – Joe (18:39)

Key Moment:

• Wemby's clutch deep three to tie the game:
  • "He shot it from 35 feet to tie the game, plenty of time left on the clock, big cohones, boy. Icing his veins." – Ochocinco (57:01)

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2. Spurs’ Youth and Supporting Cast

• Youngest Team in Playoff History:

  • Average age 23.7 years
  • De’Aaron Fox did not play at all (07:52, 19:55)

• Supporting Heroes:

  • Alex Caruso:
    • 31 points off the bench, most in Conference Finals since Tyler Herro (34:03)
    • Defensive assignments often against bigger players
    • "I don't know how much he make, but he, a young bull, belong on the goddamn max. Deal." – Ochocinco (11:30)
  • Dylan Harper:
    • 24 pts, 11 rebs, 7 steals, 6 ast – “most steals by a rookie in a Conference Finals game” (58:54–59:29)
    • First rookie with a 20/10/5/5 since Larry Bird (59:29)
    • Praised for poise and big plays under pressure: “That’s impressive, man... That’s what I love about it.” – Isaiah Thomas (41:48)
  • Stephen Castle:
    • 11 turnovers (need to be cut down), but also 11 assists (13:17, 17:15)
    • Praised for his attacking mindset and passing
    • “Castle had 11 turnovers. You can’t have it. He had 11 assists. So basically he had zero. But, man, you talking about competing at the highest level.” – Isaiah Thomas (17:15)

• Team Structure & Culture:

  • Emphasized Spurs’ development system and unselfish play: “They sow these seeds and these guys are coming up together.” – Joe (44:18)
  • “San Antonio, they got a chance to create another dynasty, man.” – Isaiah Thomas (40:34)
  • Coaching and organizational culture highlighted as crucial to sustainable success (61:37-62:42)

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3. Thunder’s Struggles & SGA’s MVP

• OKC's First Playoff Loss:

  • Previously undefeated (8–0)
  • Noted for rust and adjustment after a break

• Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA):

  • Fresh off his second MVP win; played OK, but inefficiently (24 pts on 23 shots) (13:19, 22:01)
  • Hosts credit the Spurs’ defense for frustrating offensive flow: “If it’s going to take him 23 shots, absolutely... They did a great job of switching.” – Joe (13:19)

• Role Players:

  • Jalen Williams played well coming off injury
  • Chet Holmgren neutralized – "Chad 8 and 8. He completely took him out of the ball game." – Joe (12:03)
  • Caruso’s scoring kept game close
  • Thunder need more offense from Lou Dort and others (41:06)

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4. Series Outlook & Host Debates

• Ochocinco predicts Spurs in the series (heavily backs his “elite ball knowledge” after calling this win):
  • “There was one common denominator. There’s one person that they’re not going to be able to stop... Darian [De’Aaron] Fox didn’t even play tonight. So imagine when he comes back.” – Ochocinco (19:24–19:55)
  • “I need you to respect my ball knowledge from this point on." (22:13)
• Joe & Isaiah still lean Thunder, but acknowledge trouble:
  • “I still got OKC winning the series, bro.” – Isaiah Thomas (29:24)
  • “It wasn’t about stopping him [Wemby]... At some point in time, Chet’s going to have to score 16, 18...” – Joe (20:19)
• Spirited, humorous banter about ball IQ, predictions, and analysis standards throughout.

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5. Defensive Masterclass by Spurs

• Perimeter defense lauded for keeping OKC out of the paint (15:24-15:42)
• Harper’s 7 steals, Castle’s defending, Wemby as the “quarterback” anchoring the paint (23:56)

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6. Comparisons & History

• Wemby compared to generational all-time greats in playoffs:
  • “Ranks up there with LeBron’s 48, Shaq’s 40/20, Duncan’s near-quadruple double.” – Joe (18:10)
• Reflections on Spurs culture, likened to Patriots’ “system” dynasty (63:12–64:28)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "The big champagne! He was bubbling all night long." – Joe (07:52)
• "Basketball was art. It was beautiful on both...Both ends in transition, defensively, offensively." – Ochocinco (10:50)
• “This San Antonio team...they scared me...I’m talking about the things that Wimby is able to do. You look at Vassell, you look at Champagnie—guys who just really understand the moment, understand their roles.” – Isaiah Thomas (42:45)
• “If Wimby got a foot in the paint, just throw it by the rim, hell, he gonna go tip it in.” – Isaiah Thomas (23:56)
• "He shot it from 35 feet to tie the game... Cohones, boy, icing his veins." – Ochocinco (57:01)
• "If I'm in a surrounding county, that's not a layup. If I'm in another state, that's a layup. But if I'm in a county next to yours..." – Joe, on Wemby’s defensive intimidation (24:33)
• "Castle had 11 turnovers. You can’t have it. He had 11 assists. So basically he had zero." – Isaiah Thomas (17:15)
• “Dylan Harper...most by a rookie in a conference final game. The first player since Larry Bird with a 20/10/5/5 conference final game. Harper is a rookie. Bird was in his second year.” – Joe (58:54–59:29)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Wemby’s performance & game flow: 07:52–12:33
• Young Spurs, backup performance: 13:46–17:37
• SGA MVP, Thunder response: 14:27–16:57; 22:01–22:19
• Spurs’ team construction & culture: 40:20–44:26; 61:06–62:42
• Harper’s rookie game, historical context: 58:54–60:31
• Caruso’s value and impact: 34:03–35:53, 47:30–49:10
• Host debate/predictions: 19:08–22:19; 28:05–29:47
• Key banter & analogies: Throughout, especially 18:39–19:55, 53:01–54:32

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Spurs stun the Thunder in double-overtime, fueled by a transcendent Wemby effort and clutch supporting play from their loaded young core.
• Spurs displayed a mix of generational talent, system discipline, and surprising poise while down one of their top players (Fox).
• Hosts debate the future of the series, with Ocho standing firm on his Spurs pick and touting his “elite ball knowledge.”
• The Thunder, coming off an emotional few days after SGA’s MVP, failed to match the Spurs’ energy but the series is far from over.
• The episode delivers rich player comparisons, strategic insights, and sharp, comedic banter—cementing the historic nature of Wemby’s night and the intrigue of a new NBA dynasty in the making.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The spurs started off really well, Joe. Hey, hey, Joe. Keep your mouth closed.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh, my bad. Y' all hear me? My bad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because I'm questioning. I'm questioning your ball knowledge from now on. Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. All. All jokes aside, the spurs started off hot, right? You know, they. They were up by a little bit. But the goddamn Thunder fought back, got into the game, and from that point on, once they were able to catch back up, it was back and forth. Tonight's basketball was art. It was. It was beautiful on both. On. Listen. Both ends in transition, defensively, offensively. And it was all about moments. It was about moments, especially in transition. Caruso hitting big shots. Goddamn Wimby hitting big shots. Hey, hey, Joe. He hit one. What was that, 74ft? I'm like down three. Who pulls up from that goddamn far? Unless you, Steph Curry.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe. And he shot it with extreme confidence. This was a very, very good game, right? This was a very, very good game. I really enjoyed it. I want to give kudos to goddamn Caruso. I don't know how much he make, but he, a young bull, belong on the goddamn max. Deal. Hey, hey, Joe, help me understand something. Towards the end of the game, right? Why would. Why did they. Why did they have Caruso on. On goddamn Wimby instead of to fight him?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Do you know he do a good job in garden guys? That's a lot bigger than him, but we'll be just a different animal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

Completely. And. And Wendy bailed him out sometimes, Joe, because I thought instead of catching the ball and bringing it down, because when you bring it down, you got to bring it back. Shoot it. Because you're so tall with me. Keep it up here. Turn around and do this right here. They can't challenge you up there, but if you look at what he did. Ocho. And I'm let you go ahead and finish Hardenstein. 2 points, 2 rebounds. Chat 8 and 8. He completely took him out of the ball game. Hey, they were afraid. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fga. And he was. He was okay tonight. Five spurs in double figures, huh? Six spurs and double figures. If I'm not.

[Joe]

If Kildon Johnson came in and gave me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, I think Caruso, Jalen Williams and goddamn Shade was in double figures. I'm surprised that the game was actually this close.

[Joe]

This.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This is a small sample size. One thing I do need to fix if I'm the coach of the Spurs, I go into that locker room and I talk to Stephen Castle. Listen, I need you to protect the ball a little bit more. The turnovers, they didn't kill us tonight, but at some point in this series going to hurt us and going to harm us. We need you to protect the ball a little better. 11 turnovers is way too much.

[Joe]

That's entirely way, way too many.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I mean.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe. And when you look at. Look, I give Shay 24. If it's going to take him 23 shots, absolutely. I. Hey, that's what you. But they did a great. But I. I think the thing is, is that what they did. They did a great job of switching that last play. They cleared everybody on one side and you know, Shay is trying to get on an edge. He's slippery. He. Like a greased eagle. He's slippery. It's hard.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm glad you said that. Real quick before you go again, is sga. Is he left handed?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Nah, he right.

[Joe]

No, he righty.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I was trying to feel what Castle did, what he was supposed to do. He took away. He took away him going to the right, but hell, the way he went to the goddamn left toward the end of the game, like, well, damn.

[Joe]

But no, it was right hand. But he's so long. And so by the time he stressed out, Castle was just okay, I'm glad he didn't violate. That's the one thing you don't want to have happen. You already beat. You might as well just go ahead.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, that was a great.

[Joe]

Because the worst thing that can happen is what? And he almost got one the left handed. When late in the ball game. Joe.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He almost got it.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, Joe, go ahead, talk about

[Isaiah Thomas]

what you saw, man. I'm gonna give OKC a little credit. You know, doing off this emotional high, you know, from Shea winning the mvp. Uncle Ocho, they probably had a lot to Endure. Over the past couple days. I played with an mvp, so I know what that's like when I play with Nash and the ceremonies and all. You know what I mean? It's a lot.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I thought Caruso done a hell of a job and keeping them in the game. Hell, if it went for Caruso, they probably would have lost by. By 25.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

They get blown out in the first half.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. And you know, San Antonio is so great defensively. I'm talking about on the perimeter. Damn, Wimby right now. I'm talking about on the perimeter as far as guarding their yard. You know what I mean? Keeping your man in front. Yeah. If we get beat every now and then. Hell, if you okc. I see Okc driving. They weren't even looking at the rim. They doing the little Nash dribble all the way under the gold. Cause you like, damn. If I shoot it. If I shoot it, he gonna sit in this in the first, second row.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey,

[Joe]

the only time they tried to come to the page, though, when they had. When Chad had Wimby out by the three point line. And then here they come. Hey, and you see him, he said, no, you go out here, let me get back here. It'll stink up in there. I don't want to go up in there.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, but listen, real talk, though, I don't really know if we understand how special of a performance this was by Wimby tonight. Because it's in real time, you know what I mean? Okay, Ocho, like, bro, the things that he's able to do on the court. Ocho, I agree with you. Shooting at the long ass. Three, bro. Down three, like, damn, you gotta have some big kahunas, homeboy. Yeah. You know, to be able to.

[Joe]

How old is Wimby? 20, 21, 22, I think, man, and.

[Isaiah Thomas]

And if we just being honest, I think the Minnesota series kind of prepared him for this series. Understanding the physicality of the playoffs and how it's gonna continue to get more physical as you continue to advance. And listen, hell, Wimby, how else you think we're going to be able to stop you? They, they, they gotta be physical, bro. They. They have to make it tough for you. Hell, you gotta hit the ground at least 20 times a game. You know what I mean? Yeah. Outside of that, you don't have an answer for what he brings to the game, fellas. Because defensively, it's like having Dion over there on the damn. Hey, we ain't gonna even throw to his damn size Shit, don't even worry about it. But you gotta come in this paint some way somehow to try and create opportunities for. For your team to be successful, scoring the ball. And with him in the paint, bro, it's just way too hard because you think you got something.

[Joe]

I ain't trying to prove no point. I ain't trying to prove no point. You good. You go ahead and win. Handle that. You good. That's what. Hey, when we play time. Hey, if he's on you, we're not throwing the ball your way.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey. Hey.

[Joe]

So just so you know, get some great cardio today.

[Isaiah Thomas]

But as great as Wimby was.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Look at Dylan Harper. Look at Castle. How do? Yeah. Now, Castle had 11 turnovers. You can't have it. He had 11 assists. So basically he had zero. But, man, you talking about. You talking about competing at the highest level. Uncle Ocho, this what you watch the games for, bro. You know? Hey, hey, we know y' all got some dogs over there. Well, hell, we got some dogs over there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Dogs, too.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. Now, let's see. Let's see what happened.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And let me. Let me.

[Joe]

But that alibi we got. So y' all ain't got no ball? No dog. No dog like this right here? Listen, we got a Caucasian shepherd. We got an alibi, y'. All. Y' all might have some pit bulls, but we got something.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no. He was. I mean, man, look, I'm a little older, you guys, so I've seen some. I've seen some performances. The LeBron when he scored 48 and he had 20, 40, 25. I saw Shaq when he got 40, 40 and 20 against.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Indiana. I remember Tim Duncan almost having a quadruple double a 21, 20, 10 and 8. I've seen some performances. This right, man, Absolutely. This ranks up there favorable. This is. I mean, for this kid to do that, and it's almost like. And I love. You know, he's like, hey, that's me.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He always. He. Early in the game, he tried to throw one cross court, and he threw it too high. He put his hands. And that's me. I got this. Don't. Don't we worry about it. And you see him going to the bench.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, I got this.

[Joe]

I got this. Don't even worry about it. Why y'. All. Y' all look concerned. Get the concern off your face with me here. I got this. Don't worry. They can't. They can't do nothing. You know, there's nothing worse than being in a Situation that you can't do anything about. You know what they say, Ocho, control what you can control and everything else. Don't worry about it. Well, you going to the game, you can't control him, so why you can't worry about it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. And that. That's what I told both of y'. All. That's what I understand. Both of you supposed to have elite ball knowledge, right? So you understand how special he is, huh? Hun Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You played the game at the highest level. You know the game. You've been watching the game since 1920. Right? But I don't understand when we talk about this series, right? We talked about this series.

[Joe]

We said.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We said, who's gonna win this series? Both of y' all had the nerve to pick the Thunder. And I said there was one common denominator. There's one person that they're not going to be able to stop. No matter what they do, no matter how good they are. I understand how good Shay is. I know he's a two time mvp. I know what Caruso can do, even though it's a mismatch. I understand he's. He's very. He's a gnat. He's like a fly. But I understand in the entirety of a whole series, do you really think they're gonna. Darian Fox didn't even play tonight. Darian Fox didn't even play tonight. So imagine when he comes back.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What are we talking about? As great as the Thunder is offensively and defensively. Darian, I said it wrong. Okay, you know what, Default? I'm just saying.

[Isaiah Thomas]

There you go. There you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

As great. As great as they are, when default come back, it's going to be a different ball game. That's why I don't understand. As great as y' all are when it comes to the game of basketball, I'm not sure I'm questioning your IQ and, And. And ball knowledge from this point on.

[Joe]

No, but it's oo. It wasn't about stopping him. At some point in time, Chad's going to have to score 16, 18 to help offset some of the production.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How is he going to do that when you understand what Castle and Vass are going to do when they own him and what women gonna do when he own him.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oo. Oo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me. Hey, Joe. I'm talking. Joe.

[Joe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Slow down, Turbo. Slow down, slow down. Look, look, let me tell you something. Listen. Whoa. Just pump your brakes. One game hey, listen, San Antonio look great.

[Joe]

They look great.

[Isaiah Thomas]

They match up well. They have everything to fight against okc. They've been successful throughout the regular season, and they really, really believe that they're the better team. I think Wemby believes that. And that's all that matters. Hell, because he's making these guys around him so much better. And they're. They're oozing with confidence.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You know, they.

[Joe]

They.

[Isaiah Thomas]

They have what it takes. But I just don't think OKC gonna play this bad for the whole damn series.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I got something. I got a question for you, baby.

[Joe]

You have to get off to a bell.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got a question for you.

[Joe]

What'd you say? What'd you say?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got a question for both of y'.

[Isaiah Thomas]

All.

[Joe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

In a seven game series, right? It goes game by game, right?

[Joe]

Right. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So that and you just. Hey, Joe, that's an excuse. I. Oh, in just one game, you said the same thing. When the n. Play the goddamn play. What's your team again, man?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Come on, man. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on, wait, let me finish. Let me finish. You said, oh, in just one game. And what happened? That's how it starts. That's how you get to a seven game series. You play game by game. And you saw a small. Let me. Let me finish. You saw a smell, a small symbol, size of a goddamn Spur team that's not even fully healthy because they defock didn't play tonight.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Right? Huh? Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, Shay did what he did. He was inefficient. If it. If it take you that. If it take you that many shots to get that many points, we can live with that. Jaylen Williams showed up tonight. You know, he coming off injury. He played well.

[Joe]

Jay Williams played well. Giving him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, come on, Come on now. But, Joe, Hey, I. I need both of y' all to do. Do me a small favor. I need you to respect my ball knowledge from this point on.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, okay, man. All right.

[Joe]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe. I don't like your attitude, Joe.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, I don't give a damn. I don't give a damn what you like. At this point, I'm just gonna keep it 100, you know. Oh, well, partner.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I tell you. Hey, excuse me one minute before we finish. Joe, I'm telling you, I'm jumping your head like a chicken on the June bug. And keep playing with me. Now,

[Isaiah Thomas]

I want to see your little ass do it. Hey, man, listen, I ain't gonna lie to you, okay? Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah, him.

[Isaiah Thomas]

This San Antonio team Scared me, man. They scared me. Hey, hey, hey. I'm talking about the things that Wimby is able to do. You look at Vesel, you look at Champenny, guys who just really understand the moment, understand their roles. And I'm talking about. They play them to the. These ain't no guys you could just go at. They compete both ends, three and D guys, they knock down big shots. Yes. Harper and Castle doing much of the ball handling duties, getting into the paint pretty much whenever they wanted to. For real, if y' all just want to keep it 100 and if. If Wimby got a foot in the paint, just throw it by the rim, hell, he gonna go. Yeah, he gonna go tip it in. They have a very unique team. They know how to use Wimby to the T to their advantage. Because if I'm. If. If me and Wimby in a pick and roll, I'm running, I'm. I'm ball handling. He's setting the pick and roll for me, and he rolls. Bro, you always gonna have something nice to get. You might have your wide open layup, your floater, your. Cause they don't want to give up the lob. It's just too many options, bro. They get so many wide open shots just off their activity alone, picking up full court, making every catch tough. Hey, okc, they in for a fight now. You lose that game one at home.

[Joe]

Wimby. Wimby is that quarterback. Wimby is Tom Brady. Peyton Manning, when you got him, you know everything's gonna be okay, man. Cause I know he can score me. I know he can score me 40, I know he can give me 20 plus rebounds, but guess what? I know he can neutralize your entire team. You're gonna be afraid. You see Jalen Williams, anybody else? That's a layup. Women said. Did you forget who? You must have forgotten. Yeah, that ain't. They left. When I'm close by, it ain't no layup. If I'm in a surrounding county, that's not a layup. If I'm in another state, that's a layup. But if I'm in a county next to yours.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe]

Try me if you want to.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, look, they only had him down. They only got him down for three blocks. Real talk, he probably altered 15 to 17 shots. I'm just speaking, if not more like, you know, just by guys coming in there throwing up these wild shots, trying to get the ball over him. I think Hardenstein and Chick, though, they. They got to be the difference Maker, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Well, look, I'm not counting. I'm not. Look, Hardenstein, anything Hardenstein give me, give me points wise, I graciously accept. I'm looking at him to rebound. Now the problem is, is that you saw early on they took him out and brought aj, AJ Mitchell.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I mean, gotta open up the floor.

[Joe]

So, so it's like. Well, because it's not, it's not, it's. There's really no one he can guard because you won't check on Wemby. And so now you got Hardenstein chasing a little guy. You got him trying to chase champagne or you got him trying to chase a sale. I don't want that.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You don't want that. But also Hardenstein isn't an offensive big. And if Wemby get to guard these guys who can't shoot outside the paint, it makes the spurs defense more suffocating. That's why you see, even look at Minnesota, how they got off to all them slow down starts. You know what I mean? Now you look at okc. I thought Hardenstein shot that one floater here. That was the only shot he shot and he missed it. It's like, damn.

[Joe]

I.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You know, the touch that he probably thought he needed to put on there, he had to put a little more. He missed it. He wasn't. He didn't look at the goal again.

[Joe]

He. Like hell, I had to shoot. I had to touch the battles when I shot it. Hell, he hold his hand up he 10ft, he jump he 12ft. So hell, I couldn't see the basket. What, what do you want me to do? But this was an unbelievable, really good game. And like you said, and Chad has struggled, especially with the exception of really the last game against the Lakers. I mean against the Lakers series. That was the only game that, that shade looked like shape. All the other games he, he was, he was very. I mean, you talking about a guy that shot 55 from the floor, he didn't look any, he looked anything but that against the Lakers, with the exception of the last game. But like you said, but if you look at them, the spurs got off to this great start. And what makes them so dangerous, they down 10, guess what? They shoot past them, they go three, they go back up seven. Whoa, we got a tie ball game. I'm like, that's what makes them so dangerous. Because no lead is safe. They come at you and guess what? They'll get a two or three. A three. And you're like, damn, we were just up nine. How we, how we Only up one. It was every time, Every time the spurs make a run, OKC had an answer. Every time OKC make a run, the spurs had an answer. But yo, you're right. The spurs believe they can beat this team and they played the regular season knowing that. Look, in order to get to the destination that we look, you got to go to grab. If you go into grandma's house, you gotta go, you gotta pass the big bad wolf. You gotta. The OKC is the big bad wolf and grandma's house is the NBA Finals. And now we want to get there. We got to go past her. We just got to. It is what it is. So guess what? We gonna spend some time in the regular season whipping on your ass because we want you to. Now you can say, oh, it don't matter. Regular season don't matter. It matters to the team to be so fast because it gives them confidence. That's why I say, Ocho, I don't want nobody to try to D me up because now he gonna get. Man, you see, I, I covered y' all today. No, you didn't. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was gonna say too. Also now with, with great understanding, you talk about getting the grandma house and understand you got to get through, you know, the, the big bad wolf, right?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When it came to the regular season when the spurs and the Thunder played, what was the series, huh?

[Isaiah Thomas]

4:1.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

4:1. Who won the series? 4:1.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Spurs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, so again, let's go back to ball. Let's go back to that. Now it comes to the playoffs for some reason, when I asked you to yesterday on the show. Who are you picking in the seven game series between the spurs and the Thunder? Can you please tell the chat who you guys picked?

[Isaiah Thomas]

I picked okc.

[Joe]

We picked, I picked.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ok, okay. I, I, I just, I just want y' all to see, you know, why had, why I have elite ball knowledge and have been right the entirety of the playoffs.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Man, listen, I, I'm, I'm looking at, I'm looking at the, the Russian versus the rest, you know, from okc. They, they done swept through this. They ain't had no challenge, O Joe. They ain't had no. This is the first.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Are we making excuses?

[Isaiah Thomas]

They've been off, they've been off for an extended period of time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay. So that's your excuse.

[Isaiah Thomas]

It was Rusty and San Antonio just recently just got out of pretty grueling series. Obviously, you know, they, they were in control, but they, they, they on a high right now. They, they, they have momentum. They playing great. It was a great win. Hey, it was great entertainment for me, you know, watching the game, but.

[Joe]

Right.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I still got OKC winning the series, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, just. Just hold that thought. Now. Let me put that in my notes. As you said, it was Russ. So when. When is game two on? So. So you said it was Russ in game one. So when they lose again in game two, I'm gonna make sure I bring you saying it was Russ. They were on a high. They got their trench coats and the AP watches. Maybe that was holding them down a little bit. You think that might have been.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, could have played a part in it, you know. Hey, hey. There's been a lot going on over the past couple days, man, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. Okay. So the reason they go at home is because they celebrating. Okay.

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Joe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Isaiah Thomas]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, I got you. I got you.

[Joe]

Yeah. Stephen Castle is the first NBA player to record a 10 assist, 10 turnover game in the same playoff game since Steph Curry had 11:11 in Game 1. Alex Caruso, 31 points off the bench. His 31 points is the most points off the bench in a conference finals since Tyler hero is in 2020, a Western Conference game, going to double overtime with the first time since 1976 when the spurs, excuse me, the Suns and the Warriors. The Suns end up winning that series. That's when Gar.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Her.

[Joe]

They went. If I'm not mistaken, they lost to the Celtics. And Gar Herd had a shot from half court to end up sending the overtime. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Dave Calvins was the MVP of that series. Cowan's model. No, I think Kareem won MVP that year. But look it up. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think 76 with the Suns and Boston in the NBA finals, and I think Boston ended up winning that series, man. Hey, but it was, it was. I mean, Joe, will you, Will you, Can you ask.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Ask.

[Joe]

Can she ask question. Who played, who played the NBA Finals that year?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Oh, who?

[Joe]

Who?

[Isaiah Thomas]

What happened?

[Joe]

Celtics beat the sun. You know, they had that great team. They had JoJo White, Dave Cowens. They had a nice little. And when.

[Isaiah Thomas]

What, what year Was this, huh?

[Joe]

76. Paul Westfall, if I'm not mistaken. Gar Herd.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I wasn't even born. I ain't. I, I. Hey, I know, I know the names, you know, but I ain't, you know.

[Joe]

Well, you, you was born. Jump.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Born at 81.

[Joe]

80.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

God damn, Joe. 81.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, I'm an 80s, baby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I was. Boy, I was born in 68. Boy, you. Hey, you young boy.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Man, stop lying for no damn reason. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, man, this game here, I'm just, I'm just sitting there watching Wimby. Now. I know because I see it. Halftime, he has 14 and 10. I said, well, he gonna get a 20. I was like, is it possible for him to get a 30? 20? And then when they went to overtime, I said, well, he might get a 40. 20. And then when they went to double overtime, I said, ain't no doubt in my mind he getting a 4020. Now. Now my mind shifted, Joe, is he gonna get a 40? 30?

[Isaiah Thomas]

I. I think you. Cause he, he, he don't have these games like that often, but when he does, they, they. They seem unbeatable. I'm not sure, you know, he'll have another game like this in this series. Maybe will, but I didn't really think OKC played that bad. Especially the contribution that they got from they bench fellas. I thought Wallace, McCain and Caruso gave him great, great minutes, but San Antonio, bro, Wemby just too overwhelming, man. He opened up the floor with so many. Look how many threes they shoot, huh?

[Joe]

What?

[Isaiah Thomas]

They were. They were 13.

[Joe]

They shot 43. They only made 13.

[Isaiah Thomas]

But they had so many that were wide open, but they had some great hooks.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I mean, by him being in the paint, he causes so much attention, bro. And you kind of got to, you know, shrink your defense to kind of help.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

And then you build out. So you give up a lot of threes. That's the scary part. Hell, because they weren't. They weren't. They wasn't on fire tonight, but they made some big ones.

[Joe]

He was. He was unbelievable. He was. He was unbelievable tonight. There's nothing else you can say about it. I love the way he approaches the game. He wants to be great. He's telling you he wants to be great. He's willing to put the work in and the sacrifice that comes along with being great. You cannot. You. You. There's nothing not to like about Victor Womenyama. Yeah, I wish he was American. So we gonna get some MVP sometime soon because I don't know when the next American gonna win an mvp. I'm gonna be God honest truth, between Jokic and Shay and not winning, ain't no telling when we're gonna win another mvp. Who's the next guy could win an MVP for the America Ant?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Man, I don't. I don't think it's going to be hard for anybody outside of Wimby because he going to affect the game on both sides of the floor. Meaning he probably going to lead the league. Well, not probably here. He going to lead the league in blocks for damn sure. You know, he probably going to average the double double, which he'll probably average about 12, 13 rebounds on top of 25, 26 points. And the thing is, the man had

[Joe]

nine offensive rebounds tonight. He had the same number of offensive rebound as the Thunder had as a team. They were plus 21 on the rebounding. Hey, that's because he had more rebounds by himself, 24, than the OKC starters had 23.

[Isaiah Thomas]

That's because when he down under that damn basket, it take more than one guy to box him out. Hell, we got the game box out. Because if the ball come in his vicinity, hell, he gonna tip it a couple times. Hell, that's two, three rebounds, offensive rebounds right there. Then he tip it in. That's a. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, it's tough, bro. I, I, I see the struggle that OKC is having just by defending. Even if, hell, I think he more dangerous when he don't shoot the ball. If you just want me to be honest. Meaning, like, offensively, if one of them guys take long threes, he's able to keep the, you know, keep the possession alive or tip backs. It's just too much, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, and to think about it, he only attempted 1 3. Cause, you know, sometimes he can fall in love with the three. Because remember that game? What was that? The first game that he played against OKC when he was over.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

From the three point line. Joe and Ocho. Tonight, he's like, nah, I got y'. All. I got y' all minions on me. Hey, hey, them Lilliputians, they can't do nothing to me. They can't do nothing. It ain't enough. And like I said, I'm like, damn, this man gotta be eight. Do you see how he towers over chat? Chad is legit seven foot. This man towers over chair.

[Isaiah Thomas]

The man ain't got to jump over a phone book to dunk. He ain't. He barely getting off the ground when he dunking on him.

[Joe]

I'm, I'm looking, I'm like, hold on. He posted up and I'm looking at chat. I said, chad must have stumbled or something. Ain't no way that man head and he had with me shoulder.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe]

If young, if young, if young fella can stay healthy, Joe boy, the NBA got their hands.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They got there for another 10, 15 years.

[Joe]

As long as they got their hands.

[Isaiah Thomas]

San Antonio, they got their hands. San Antonio, they, they, you know, they got a chance to create another dynasty, man. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, go ahead, Joe, y'. All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Thunder got to get it together. They got to get together. You need more points. You know, having Caruso do what he did coming off the bench. That 31 was nice, Lou. Dot, you got to come to the party. You got to come to the party. Only having seven shots ain't gonna get it done, Ludor. I mean, listen, no even thought Is a. A joke. More of a defensive guy, huh?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I. I understand you good out there on that wing, but maybe you got to give me something because five ain't gonna do it. Because you got to think if. If everybody on the spurs, right? If everybody in the sport, that D. Fox ain't play tonight. So now you. You got to count the hint for him coming in, having 15, 18 once he come back in game, too. Joe.

[Joe]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I'm telling you, y' all boys in trouble. And I know both of y' all gonna say it's only one game. It's only one game, but you got a small sample size of what it's going to look like, you know, for

[Isaiah Thomas]

the rest of the series, they gonna play better.

[Joe]

And I think the thing is, is that the spurs got to feel good, Ocho. And Joe, when it comes crunch time, the ball's gonna be in Fox hand. I don't believe Fox makes some of the mistakes that Harper and some of

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

the Castle makes with the ball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, listen, listen. I know Harper fumbled that ball a few times tonight, but he only had one turnover. To be a rookie, to be thrust in the start lineup to be a rookie, to play those type of minutes under that type of pressure, big plays out the big plays defensively, offensively, getting to the rack, bro, that's impressive, man. That's impressive. Hey, this young dude, that's what I love about it.

[Joe]

He was aggressive, Joe. I mean, look at him and Castle. Both of them had seven free free throw attempts. Wimby. Wimby had 25 shot attempts, and he had 13 free throw attempts. I can live with that. Because now you know why he has so many shot free throw attempts. Because he was not about bull driving at the three point line.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So now I can put the ball on the floor. And, man, he was making. Man, look here, that turn around. And the thing is, the ball come off all in one motion. He catch it and shoot it and

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't even come back down.

[Isaiah Thomas]

The man, the man eye to eye with the rim, bro. He eye to eye with the rim. But uncles speaking on what you was talking about, Dylan Harper and Castle. Hey, man, that's why I tell y', all, the spurs gonna. They gonna have a good problem. They gonna have to figure out what they gonna have to do. I. I'm saying in years to come, when it comes to Fox, obviously, you know, for them to win this game without Fox, bro, it says a lot about your team, man. You know that.

[Joe]

See, that's What I'm talking about, because think about it, we talked about this. In the last half of the season, the Thunder was still winning games without shape. Do you know how solid your team has to be?

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

To win a game without its best player, man, that you, you. Your team got to be deep. They got to be special. And the guys got to be willing to step up for the challenge. And I think this team has all the makings. They have all the makings to push OKC or to be a okc. They understand their best player. They know who it is they came up to. They're coming up together. Wemby was there first, and then here come Castle. And now you got Dylan Harper, you got Vassal, you got champagne. They very close. I mean, for the most part, they're close. Engaged. I think Harper is probably a year younger than Wimby, two years younger than Wimby. Castle is probably a year older than Wimby, maybe two. But they're right there in close proximity. So guess what they're almost like when you plant a crop and all the things.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yes.

[Joe]

That's what the spurs have done. They sow these seeds and these guys are coming up together.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, it's.

[Joe]

Hey, you look at Castle and College at UConn and you like, damn. And you're like, okay, because you watch him. You want no one thing at UConn, you're gonna play hard or you're not playing for Daniel.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, you're not getting your ass on the court, so you're gonna play hard. So we knew he played hard. And Joe, I don't think OKC realized he a two foot jumper. So you see, when he went down the line, I think they thought you hold on. You let him get to the launch,

[Isaiah Thomas]

man, he gonna scratch his back. He gonna scratch his back with that thing. He's gonna scratch his back with it. Hey, listen, you know, we marvel about how OKC got great perimeter defenders, and they do, but damn it, the spurs got some guys who. Hey, man, they showed me. Castle and Harper showed me something tonight, man. I'm talking about getting to their spots.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Whenever they want to, how they want to. Playing big. Hey, man, spurs got a really, really nice team now. I do expect OKC to play a lot better, but the spurs got like a nice team, bro. I enjoy watching those guys play.

[Joe]

But here's the thing. You expecting Shay to play better. I'm not expecting Caruso to give me another 31. 11 or 19 shooter, 8 or 14 from the 3. I ain't expecting that. So he's gonna have to play better. I think there's a better chance that he shoots a better percentage from the floor than Caruso giving us another game like this. I think Jalen Williams didn't play bad considering how he was off the last eight games. Joe, you got to think he didn't play bad. He was level of 25. He was three or three from the free throw line. He had seven rebounds. He only played 37 minutes. So you see, but he was on a minute count. But now, hey, we got a chance to win this game and we need to win this game, bro. You got to play the last. Hey, you got to play these last.

[Isaiah Thomas]

His ass gonna be hurting tomorrow, you know. Hey, hey. So my thing is the first you off adrenaline, you know, body probably feeling good. Cause you ain't really. You ain't played in a minute. But that damn second game too.

[Joe]

He.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He probably gonna be. He probably be a step slow.

[Joe]

They're not gonna give you the call. You saw early on, Joe, he's flailing, throwing his hands up in there. Hey, Refere, get your ass up. Get on down there. You about to get a layup now. You down here if you want to, we come back down here. But I ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like. I like the fact that the ref letting him play. Let them play. You know, some of those calls. Some of those calls are calls that Shay's gonna get during the regular season, Uncle Joe. Yeah, you know, and. And come to the playoff time, especially in a series like this, it those refs. Hey, we playing ball. I'm not calling everything now if it's egregious. I got you. All that ticky.

[Joe]

All that ticky tack stuff. Chet needs more than seven shots. I don't know if J Dub needs 25 shots. I mean, and Shay missed a couple. Hey, man, you saw Shay, right? One right there, point blank. That joker saw women hit the side of the rim.

[Isaiah Thomas]

That's what I'm talking about. You know, Although he may not block your shot. Hell, he gonna make you think twice about it. Like, damn, I could. I wanna. I wanna shoot off the glad door. Let me get it up real quick so his ass don't get over here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, when it come to Caruso, right, He was with the licks.

[Joe]

But Lakers, the Bulls, can.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can you do me a favor? When it comes to a player like that, as. As valuable as he makes himself, is he one of those players that.

[Joe]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That deserves a ma. Contract or what do the numbers look like? When it comes to a player like that.

[Joe]

No, he making good. I mean, he making good money. O.J. the. The fact of the matter is, you got to realize Chicago, the Lakers wouldn't match a $36 million, not max, based

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

on what he's able to do offensively. And def.

[Joe]

Rob as Rob Palinka. That's a question. That's for him, especially what he could

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

do for your defensive.

[Joe]

You had. You had an elite defender, a three and D guy played great alongside Braun. That is the question you should probably ask Rob Polinka.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm confused, Joe. And listen, when it comes to Caruso, right, this is. It's not just tonight. And not him just doing this tonight. Hell, the goddamn Thunder won the goddamn NBA, the national championship. National championship. The NBA finals last year because of the way Caruso played.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Joe, you remember the last game? A lot of the games. Who was he guarding? Nicola Jokic. He was battling. Yo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Getting up on them.

[Joe]

You can you. And the thing is, unselfish player. He does all the dirty work. He gonna take the charges. You see him come from behind, block a couple of shots. He's not afraid of the moment the corner 3. Knock those down. Because remember, Joe laughed the game 4 Lakers raced out to that lead. They brought him in. He hit 3. 3 in the first quarter.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, but to put.

[Joe]

To put a. To pull him right back in.

[Isaiah Thomas]

The problem with Thunder got, though I. I like how he fights wimy, but once wimy starts low and they said that cross pick for him to come up, it's like hell. Once I. Once he get two feet in the pain if I throw it by the rim. Ain't nothing Caruso can do for that at all.

[Joe]

Ain't nothing nobody can do. Hell, you see him doing. He did hard Stein. He did a chess. He did that. Ain't nothing nobody can do.

[Isaiah Thomas]

That's what I'm saying. You got to try to find a way they keep that boy out the paint, man. Hey, no.

[Joe]

And in fact, it's hard, Joe, because the thing is, is that he'll start and then guess what? He'll spin back to the rim and they throw it.

[Isaiah Thomas]

It's a rap.

[Joe]

They put it up in Limpy.

[Isaiah Thomas]

It's a rap dunk. It's a rap.

[Joe]

So I got, you know, I. I want to beat him to the point, but if I get too aggressive, he gonna spin off me.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, so I was. I was like, well, damn, I would damn, if I do. I would damn. I mean, how. How do. How do how do I defend Coach? What you want me to do? I know once he catches it.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, I'm an ish for. For sure.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You're gonna have to.

[Joe]

But if I try to intercept him at the point, all he's gonna do is hit me. Yeah, spin. Now what am I gonna do?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You better hope you got some help coming.

[Joe]

They got the floor spaced, you know. Can't get no help.

[Isaiah Thomas]

OKC has to limit the guys around him. No way around it. I mean for. For them to advance and get out this series. You can't let these guys get in double figures. The champions, the vassals, the facil's. I think Harper gonna get his head. He aggressive.

[Joe]

He.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He went eight for 20. I like it too. I'm talking seven steals. Did you see that? Yeah, that man had seven steals, bro. Six assists, 11 boys, 24 points. I love everything about it. Only had one turn and one turn. I love everything about his game, bro. Hey, hey. It looks like he's really enjoying the moment too. You know, just competing, playing against some of the best guard. Look, he just competed against Ant man now against Shay. Like I. Hey, he holding his own right there.

[Joe]

The. The. The thing that. What makes them so good against the Thunder? They got three guys that can fan at an elite level too. Yeah, you got V, you got Castle Champagne can defend Harper. Everyone's.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He.

[Joe]

He will buckle down. The only guy that. That's really. You know, Kelvin Johnson is not a defender. Yeah, Battle, but he's an offense. You see how he come in and get quick points.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, quick. Yeah.

[Joe]

He. He ain't there for the run. He getting right to it. He getting right to the action. Yeah. He makes it. And that's what you have to. But like you said, Joe, when you got. When you got Wimby, Wimpy's gonna open everything up because so many eyes on him. But you can't help because now when you get help, he's a willing passer.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He is.

[Joe]

And guys are wide open in the corner.

[Isaiah Thomas]

And your star players in basketball, man, that's what you enjoy most. I know that's what I enjoy most about watching your star guys. I don't like guys who sit there and exhaust all they damn options first and then throw you a grenade with 3, 4 seconds on the damn clock. Now you gotta jump.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Now you want me to make some chicken salad and you already. You ain't bring me.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah. Now I gotta go into my bag and pull stuff, you know? I mean, like. Damn that. Come on, man. Wimby he play like that, man. He plays the right way and he understands the attention that he brings. So he's always looking cross court to that corner pass to get Vassel and champion these guys wide open shots. I just think he kind of. I think, you know, for a guy who's 22 years old, he really understands the game and how it should be played from a team's perspective in order to be successful. Meaning he knows he has to keep these other guys involved. Hell, just for the game to open up and be a little easier for himself. And you don't always get that bro from a 22 year old. Cause what everybody out here trying to score 50. I think he just naturally within the floor of the game, he's gonna score points. Let it come to me.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know, sometimes they say the now crocodile, they can go a whole year without eating. He don't get up and chase no food. He sit right there, quarter hole. Now, I know y' all want that green grass.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I know the great the migration will happen. I'll be right here when you come back next year. I ain't going nowhere.

[Joey Dardano]

And.

[Joe]

And to get. And to get, you know, seven, eight meters, I'm assuming probably. Probably about seven meters. Some six and a half seven meters, wearing all weighing almost a ton. So, yeah, I'm good, y'. All. Hey, now you're like, damn, they know what's in that water. But they got a lord, they got

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

to take that chance.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That the grass.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Ain't no grass back there where we came from. That's why we came this way. And he know that like, hey, hey. The only way. Come on. So. And that's. And that's Wimby's. Hey, come on in here. Y' all know y' all gotta come that basket. Look right there.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey,

[Joe]

you know, Wimby women be squatting shot, you know, like a. Like a little kid playing his dad. And he put it up there.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's what it looked like.

[Joe]

Seriously, they're like, yeah, get that out. Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, hey. I look at the shots that guys work on in the summer Hill. Some of the stuff I even do in the summer, man, they don't work on Wimy, bro.

[Joe]

Them.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Them long. Them long hooks off the glass. He coming to get all that. You know what I mean, boy? Hey, you better get in that paint. You better be looking for the next man to pass the ball to. Yeah, that man ain't playing. You ain't getting nothing free down there. When he down there, boy.

[Joe]

And that's the, and that's the thing though, Joe, is because you say things that you work on. How do I work on shooting the shot 13ft high? So, so, so what you do, you say, you know what, hey, Joe, what you going to do for a. Yeah. Today I'm just working on catching a third shooting on third foot shots. Or I'm working on the Junior Skyhook, Magic Johnson and a Junior sky hook. That Magic throw, he throwing that out of there. Your best chance is the Kareem sky hook, because Kareem had the shoulder onto you and he was throwing it back here. But if you throw Magics. Oh, yeah. He throw another body.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. And he's special, bro.

[Joe]

Wimby said after the game he was for sure motivated by SGA MVP over him. Stephen Castle on Wimby best player in the effing world.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, you, you, you really can't argue it. You can't argue. Actually, you can argue depending on who you ask. You know, it's all about, it's all about perspective. You talk about, you talk about the best player in the world when he comes up sga, some people with. Some people probably will throw yogurts in there. And outside of that, that's about where the goddamn buck stop. And that's where the buck gonna stop for the next five, five, six, seven years. Now,

[Joe]

you know when, when Giannis is healthy, you know Yan is giving you 30 and 13.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

And he plays defense now. He's not the defender that he once was. But the. But, but, but, but Wemby. Cause he can do so much. He could. Giannis ain't that still ain't develop no shot. He don't really have no pole. All y' all is trying to do downhill. He's trying to get down here. He's trying to sneak through cracks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey. He didn't develop a little midi. Just a little. A little midi? A little bit.

[Joe]

A little bit.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I mean, he'll, he'll. Hey, hey, hey. Like on Harlem night, stop shooting that little. He'll, he'll, he'll shoot it at night. He'll shoot that little mid air now and then. Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[Joe]

But if he get. The thing is, Joe, if he gets hot, he'll have confidence to keep shooting it. But for the most part, he coming

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

down here like a train.

[Joe]

I understand. Like, yo, the way you can drive the ball, just imagine if you develop the three or you develop the midi, right? He'd be unguarded.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, look, that's why women be so unguardable. Look at that damn 35 footer. He shot to tie the game, bro. Hey, I'm talking about. They were plenty of time on the clock. I'm like, hold on.

[Joe]

What? He. Yeah, coach, you probably hollering. No, son. No. Good shot. Good shot, Sean. That's what I'm talking about. Good shot.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, you know, playoffs. Hey, listen, I don't have much experience in the playoffs, but you have experience, Joe. I'm sure you have experience as well. And it's all about moments. A young bull to be that young. Young bull to be that young in that moment, to take that shot from that far out. Boy, Cohones, boy, hey. Icing his veins.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Well, listen, we only got. It's only four teams left playing, you know, so it's gonna be all eyes on you. Each game that you play. You're gonna be the only game that night.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

And to be able to show up in this fashion on the road without one of your top guys in Fox, who's averaging 18, 19 points in this playoffs, man, this young spurs team, bro, they. Hey, they got something special on their hands, fellas. They got something special on their hand.

[Joe]

They do.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Come on, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn, Joe. Like, what happened, y'? All, I'm just. I'm just listening, y' all and I.

[Isaiah Thomas]

They still young, Ojo. They still young.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now I. I understand. So I'm saying, is that. Why did you just pick the Thunder the Wind based on what they did last year? Is that why y'? All? I'm just. I'm just trying to get about it. Because, listen, I'm listening to y' all talk about Wimby and. And glowing regards on how special he is. He is.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. And for some reason, y' all still pick the Thunder to win the goddamn series.

[Joe]

Yeah, I think I. Look. Oh, joy. It ain't over. We'll see Wednesday night. We'll have another conversation Wednesday night about the Thunder spurs and.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe]

Dylan harper in Game 1. 24 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, 7 steals, most by rookie in a conference final game. The first player since Larry bird with a 20105 and 5 conference final game. Harper is a rookie. Bird was in his second year. Bird was probably 24, 25. Because you got to realize Bird originally went to Indiana, so, you know, you get to go to India. Excuse me. Yeah, Indiana. Transferred to Indiana State. You know, when you transfer, you got to sit out. So Bird was probably. This kid is 19, man.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Listen, if Harper would have been on another team to where he could just do what the hell he want and, and they featured him in the offense for real, right. He would have been up for rookie of the year period, point blank. He, he, he got too much in his game, but he went into probably, if you're a rookie, he probably went into the best situation you can go to. You know, I'm saying from a standpoint that he has so much game, bro. He can blend right in and he can be pedestrian at times. And when you need him to be great, he can be great. Hey, do you remember when Fox, the last time Fox missed the game in that Portland series, it's two guys, Harper and Castle. Both of them had 30, you know what I mean? I think it was game three or game four. But hey, he's capable, man. He showed great moments throughout this postseason, bro. Like he ain't scared of the moment. He's embracing it. And he going at his man, bro. Hey, hey. I like, I love his energy, how he play. He play with it. He, he seemed like a quiet kid, but he real demonstrative at the same time. Like he letting you know he there.

[Joe]

You know what I like Joe, is that he went to San Antonio because they're going to develop him. Because sometimes you can go to a situation, you develop bad habits.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

In a situation, think about name the player that went to C, that went to San Antonio, that had bad habits. Look at Duncan, look at Parker, look at Ginobili, look at, look at Kawhi, look at Wimby, look at Castle, look at Harper. The track record is there. The same guy, R.C. buford trapped in him. For the most part.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Coached him because remember Pop got sick. Well, Pop got.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. I think they hit the front office now.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. So the, the, the, the, the blueprint, the foundation has been laid. Cause a lot of times, Joe, you draft the guy that high, what's the inclination? Throw him in there, let him feel for himself. We took it that high for a reason. You gotta learn. No, that's not what the spurs do. The spurs would put you in a situation, they got a situation. You flourish in that situation.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Especially because you know, Duncan was a senior. Duncan, Duncan was a grown ass man. When he come out, he you talking. You did a kid with 19, 20 year olds, they're not as mature as Duncan. So they take time. And Pop in this organization understand for the long run we got to do what's in the best interest of the team because it's going to, at the End of the day, it's going to be team that win championships.

[Isaiah Thomas]

It is, bro. Hey, they, they, they on the right trajectory, you know, when it comes to, you know, setting the foundation. And you're right, you know, going into this first organization, they, they, they teach you how to play the game the right way. And I think we're having those legends around like Manu and, and Tony park and Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Sean Elliott. Having those guys around to pour into these guys and show them. Yeah, show them the spurs weight and, and the culture of the Spurs. I mean, hell, obviously you got to get talent now. Now they get. Hey, it's, it's like, it's like talking about Phil Jackson, but here he play. He had, he had the best damn players too. Like triangle was.

[Joe]

You can make a case. He had, he had four top 10 players. I don't know another coach that coached four top 10 players in the history of basketball.

[Isaiah Thomas]

The triangle was great, but damn it, if you ain't got Jordan Nicobe in the hill, it might not be as great. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, it's great.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah. So what I'm saying is as great as a organization at the spurs is, hell, they got Wimy, you got Harper, Castle, Fox. Like you got some talent. You got premier talent over there to, to. To B.

[Joe]

See, I think the thing is, Joe. You know what it is, Joe? When people look at certain players and they say, well, he ain't this, he ain't that, they don't need this or that. But system, that's what oo we try to tell people about the Patriots. Well, Julian Edelman ain't this guy. He ain't Julio, he ain't Randy Moss, Wes Worker's not this. And Dion Branch ain't that. And Amendola not this.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Right.

[Joe]

They don't need that. You got to be unselfish to play system. Because the first time you make a issue about your catches, about your yards, they getting your ass up out of there. Yeah, the first time you talk about, hey, I need a raise, they finna raise your ass up out of there. Tom Brady makes everything go. But you need guys like Amendola, like those guys that work hard and it's like, hey, I'm just those guys look at like, I'm happy to have a job. Whether they catch one pass or they could. There'll be sometimes, you know, Amendola. Edelman might have three passes. Next game, Edelman come back, he got 13 passes. So you don't know. Week to week, it's not. They're not like, number ones. Number one. You got to feed him. You got to give him seven, eight, nine targets a game, or he gonna be on there. You gonna walk by stepping on lips. Damn, son, pick your lips up. I almost trip.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. Out there. And with San Antonio, those guys fit. The pieces gotta fit sometime. The pieces just need to fit.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

They fit perfectly. Same thing with okc. Guys understand their role. I who the best player? Him.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's how it work. Now, you might think, man, man, if I had this opportunity, if I bet, hey, I could do this. Maybe deep down to himself, Scotty made me believe that he was on the level with Jordan. He never verbalized that. And he's like, okay, I'm cool. I'm gonna do this. Let me get my little 6, 7 assist. Let me get my 4, 5, 6, 7 rebounds. Let me play hella D. I'm cool. But it wasn't until. Hell, I didn't know he thought that he was as good as. As Mike until the last dance came out. Fact, it come to think, hell, everybody thought they were damn near good.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, they tell everybody taking shots at mj, but you right. Spurs got a.

[Joe]

They.

[Isaiah Thomas]

They got a hell of a team. I. I think kudos to Coach Johnson over there, who's took over from Pop.

[Joe]

Yeah, he got to get some credit.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah, he got to get some credit because, you know, it's one thing to have talent, but it's another thing when those guys vouch for you. And how they vouch for you is, you know, by going out there competing their ass off.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Isaiah Thomas]

You know what I mean? And I. I think these guys have shown over and over that they bought into the system that Coach Johnson has over there for sure. And you can tell, bro, they. They run it to the T. They enjoy playing with one another. Hey, the hell they hold them starting lineup played over 45 minutes a night.

[Joe]

Hell, yeah. I mean, you think. I mean, Harrison Barnes played six minutes. They said, nah, you minus nine in a little six minutes you played. Now we got. You gotta get up out of here. Kelly Johnson played 22 minutes. He plus three. Carter Bryant came in. He only took two shots, but he had a big three. He was 10. Luke Cornette, they like Luke. We. Hey, you know, I don't know if y' all remember the wrestling. They had two guys called hurlers. I see him.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Luke. Luke, you was real. He was real pedestrian tonight, wasn't he? He wasn't that. He wasn't that damn Luke. Cornet, y' all been holler about, man.

[Joe]

How did.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Who's that? How they didn't call a foul on. On Hardenstein when he blocked. That man shot the elbow to dead in his face. Hey, come on, now, Joe.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Come on, now.

[Joe]

Now, you know damn well if somebody would have hit Shay like that. They might. Hey, let's go to the review. Let's leave that one.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Hey, listen, the ref ain't gonna see everything now. Damn.

[Joe]

He.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Look, every play, he got to deal with somebody doing this. Every damn play they want a damn review. Damn, man, let's play ball, bro.

[Joe]

Hey, he said, hey, y', all, what if you tell your coach to call the time? I go review it. But we don't review it.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Unless we deep something egregious.