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Matt Jones
Ocho so now let's get back the Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has agreed to a deal to become the Chicago Bears next head coach. Johnson has been the Lions offensive coordinator for the past three seasons and if I'm not mistaken, I think they finish in the top five in offense each of those seasons. He will fill the job vacated by Matt Eberfluss when they fired him on November 29th. Johnson will become the 19th head coach in France the 105 year franchise existence. Ocho do you like the hire you got?
Ocho
Damn right. I like the hype you got. Damn right. Now listen, we talk about Ben Johnson. Now this we talk about Ben Johnson that worked wonders with Jared Goff, worked wonders offensively with that offense. The creativity that has amazed all of us all season long. Now we know Dan Campbell loves to go fourth on fourth down. Why do you think he's so confident in doing some of the things he does as a head coach? Because of Ben Johnson and what he's able to do. So I look at it from this standpoint. You got Jameson Williams, you got Iman Ross, St. Brown, you got LaPorta. Now you go to another supporting cast in Chicago that different skill sets but they get the job done very well, right? You have a great quarterback, dual threat quarterback who's a little bit more mobile, a little bit more agile, can play off script a little better than golf and Kayden Williams, he's a good thrower of the ball as well. This is going to be a perfect relationship not only for Ben Johnson but for Caleb William in his career, I guarantee you, and I'm going to put it out there right now, and it's going to be I told you so moment when the senior stars and we about. We in about maybe week seven or week eight, and I'll be like, I told you so. Caleb Williams being one of the top quarterbacks in the league statistically because of Ben Johnson and his creativity and his offensive prowess.
Matt Jones
I like to hire. I like to hire also. What I don't like what Chicago and New England doing that fake stuff. Bring black coaches in there when they know damn where they're not.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
They brought Eddie George in there and you know, look, if you like, you got to take it.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
You know damn well they want. Excuse. Excuse me. That. You know good. D. Well, you know good. You know good. And D. Well, you wanted Ben Johnson, right? But Ocho. Hey, the Rooney rule. I got to get that quota. Same thing in New England. New England, y'all brought two black. Y'all brought Pep Hamilton in. Y'all brought this other black, you know good and well. Yeah, Byron Leftwich, Y'all know good. First of all, Byron Leftwich been out of the league for what, two years? And y'all gonna bring him in now, he ain't got no offensive coordinate, but y'all brought him in. And see y'all what y'all did. The Patriots did that thing so good. They brought two of them in. Ooh, ooh, ooh. They gonna have. Ooh. They brought. Ocho. Brought two of them.
Ocho
Yeah. I mean, listen, they. They have to check the boxes. They, they, they gotta.
Matt Jones
They.
Ocho
They gotta check the boxes. Like you said. They gotta. You gotta meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place. That's really not working.
Matt Jones
Ain't got no tea to it. Look, and. But look, I like the hire. I like Ben Johnson. I like what he did. You mentioned it. He had a quarterback that's more mobile. He has very good. Look. You got Roman Dun. Took it the first round for the Bears. You got DJ Moore that you signed to a cond. Contract extension. You got Keenan Allen. I think Keenan Allen is a free agent, so you probably bring him back because he came on strong at the end of the year. He's that guy that. He's not as fast, it's not as quick as a Amon Rod the Saint in the slot, but he gets it done. He got tremendous moves. He got great hands. I like him. He's a big body. He can body, you know, he can body you up. So I like that. I like their. I don't really know their running back situation. You're gonna have to improve the offensive line because that's one thing, huh?
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Offensive line. And you're gonna probably get better because if you look at what they got, and in Detroit, you know, you got Penne, who's a Pro Bowler, All Pro, you got Zeitler, you got Deck, you got Glass. Now you got Decker, you got Ragnar, you got. You know, Detroit has a very good offensive line. And so you're going to have to get that up to par in Chicago because your quarterback took 60 plus sacks. That's too many. Oo, that's way too many sacks. Now, all of it is not on the offensive line. Caleb Williams gonna have to do a better job of getting rid of the football. It's okay to throw it away because sometimes I think guys, they get caught up. Oo, well, I'm gonna mess up my completion percentage, bro. Throw that damn ball away. You don't want to be taking all those hits.
Ocho
Right, Right.
Matt Jones
But I like the hire. I'm sure they got. They got money in, in, in. In cap space that they can improve this team. I love the hire by Ben Johnson. I got no qualms about that hire. He's put his time in as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coach. I think it was the right time for him to get this job. So I really like to hire. I'm a little surprised that he went in the same division as a former boss. Normally they get away, Ocho, but, hey, that was the best situation. I always thought that the Bears. For me, that was the best situation that was available to me. Now, I mean, other people and people like the Raiders, you know, because Tom Brady. Tom Brady ain't playing quarterback.
Ocho
Ain't nothing to work with over there, huh? No, nothing.
Matt Jones
He ain't got no quarterback. No. Yeah.
Ocho
So you understood that that was the best fit, especially for him and what he brings to the table.
Matt Jones
Yeah, I thought that was the best. I thought that the Jets. You got. The jets situation. You got a lot of stuff going on with the Jets. What other. What other. What other. What other job is available, Ocho? The jets was available.
Ocho
The Saints.
Matt Jones
The Saints. Hopefully AG get the Saints or the Jets. I know. I think, you know, he obviously AG Played with the Jets. Hell, he played with the Saints also. He was on the defensive side. He was on Sean Payton's staff when he was at the Saints, so. But hopefully he gets one of these jobs. It's going to be tough without a quarterback, you got to find a quarterback, Ocho. Without that you don't really have a chance to have longevity.
Ocho
Your leash is going to be short. Leash is very short. If you ain't got no quarterback.
Matt Jones
Well, I leash is short anyway. But anyway, that's not. What's that. We'll talk about that another day. But I like to hire. I like Durant Johnson hire Chicago should be good. That's a very tough division, Ocho. You got young. We'll see what Minnesota does with Sam Darnold. Do they move on or do they keep elevate? JJ McCarthy gonna be very interesting because you got Jordan Love, you got golf, you got Caleb Williams. So I like it. I like it. Ocho. Now that the season has ended, Cooper cup doesn't know whether he'll be back with the Rams. Cup said today he has no doubt he'll play in 24, but there is doubt whether it's going to be with the Rams intend to keep him Cup. Who knows what's going to happen. That's out of my control and I'll see what's going to what it's going to be. I don't have any clarity on what's that going to look like or anything like that. So yeah, obviously would love to be in la, but I don't know what that's going to look like. Matthew Stafford also said he wanted to take some time to mow his future after playoff loss. Man, I think what you call him got a big cat. What, what? Cooper. Cooper Cup, I think Was it like 21, $22 million Cooper Cup?
Ocho
Oh yeah. He has to take a pickup anyway if he does want to stay in la. Listen, they've already worked. They, they've already. Remember how we got talked about chat, you know earlier with some of the top players in the league. They always find a way to work out the system and the opportunities. You don't get the opportunity that you used to. Obviously we talk about a triple crown winner. Then all of a sudden last year Putin Akua comes out of nowhere and he's having he's playing all world because they move you around and they work you out the system and put somebody else in the position and the players that you used to make, that's all it is. That's all it is. It's plug and play. It's plug and play. It's the game that they play toward the end of your career when they think you don't have it no more, when your number is too high and they want you to take a pay cut. So now there's no argument that cup can have and go to management, be like, well, hell, I'm a Triple Crown runner. The first thing I'll say, but look at your numbers this year. Your numbers aren't what they. Your numbers don't want.
Matt Jones
You were a Triple Crown winner. That's not what you are now. This ain't a lifetime achievement. We're going to pay you back. See, and that's the thing where people get the mistake. I'm paying you on what I believe you would do moving forward. I already paid you for that. Yeah, I paid you for that, Ocho.
Ocho
Yeah, so that's.
Matt Jones
So now I got it. Like Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase, the Triple Crown. Hey, y'all got that? No, y'all need to pay me on what y'all believe I can do moving forward. Now, I'm only 25, 26 years of age. I think over the next four or five years I can put up similar numbers. I'm not saying I'm gonna win the Triple Crown because we haven't had, since the merger, we haven't had a two time Triple Crown winner. Now, prior to that, you know Don Hudson won a bunch of them. That's neither here nor there. But I'm saying I'm paying Ja'marr Chase on what I believe he'll do. Now, based on that, Ja'marr Chase needs to be north of 35 million, right? At 40, maybe. He says, I want 40. I want $40 million. I want 200 million and I need 100 of it guaranteed. Because I think the most guaranteed money might have been Jetta. I think Jetta got like 80 something million fully guaranteed, right? Either I want a Hyundai because y'all made me play when I could have gotten injured. I had to take out insurance policy, so I had to spend money out of my pocket. So I need y'all to give me. Hey, what old dude told him on Snack Or Two dude on Harlem Day. I want everything you took in tonight and everything you took in last week. Yeah, man, look, Matthew Stafford's not going anywhere. See, that's what you would. You want another big payday? That was just like, yeah, I'm gonna take some time. Come on, man, don't go nowhere. We got 50 million for you for three years. Come on, Joe, man, you know how they play the game.
Ocho
Yeah, but listen, they know better and Matthew Stafford knows that. There is no answer. There is no backup. There is no resolve. If he does want to walk. So what's the first thing they have to do? Every team is in dire need of a quarterback. Now, we talk about a Super bowl champion. Let him go. Oh, absolutely not.
Matt Jones
Because when they did draft Stetson Bennett, Ocho, they took Stetson Bennett, I think, in the fourth round out of Georgia, two times. I'm just Ocho. I'm just saying now, they took him in the fourth round for a reason. They didn't take him as an ornament. They didn't take him as decoration.
Ocho
So you. You want. You want people to get fired then, huh?
Matt Jones
I don't. I'm just Ocho. Do you think they. Do they. Do they draft players for decorations?
Ocho
No, they don't.
Matt Jones
The Patriots draft. Why did the Patriots draft Jimmy Garoppolo and what happened? I did not say what happened. Why did they draft him?
Ocho
Yeah, we know why they drafted him. But you see what happened, right? Sometimes. Sometimes you can make a decision based on you draft somebody in the fourth round, but then you see the product on the field in certain situations, in the preseason and in practice, and already know. You know what? It don't matter what you making right now, staff, we bringing you back because we know we can't count on what's here.
Matt Jones
But even if you don't behind you. You just told me what they need in the. What they need in Las Vegas.
Ocho
A quarterback.
Matt Jones
Quarterback. Now, Derek Carr says he's not taking a pay cut or anything like that. He's got like 52 million. Garrett. He got 52 million cap yet. Oh, if what I like Matthew Stafford better day. Hey, there's no, no, no, not hey. But Matthew Stafford is better than Derek Carr. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. Just telling you the truth.
Ocho
Right?
Matt Jones
And there's situation and the Jets. Could the jets use a quarterback?
Ocho
Oh, now, now, now we. Now we talking. Now you make it a little sense.
Matt Jones
You said. You said Pittsburgh. Are you. So you don't. You don't seem to be sold on Russ. I mean, some people like. Like Fields. Justin Fields. I like Fields, too. But Cleveland. How would Matthew Stafford look in Cleveland for a couple of years? And you draft a quarterback and you let one of these quarterbacks rest a couple years behind him and do, hey, take this thing over. So Matthew Stafford's gonna have options. See, that's the thing that you have. The more options that you have is Ocho. It's just like a relationship.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
The more options a woman have, the harder the guy gotta come to impress her. If you ain't got no Options. The guy. If you got options, you make it 10 million, 15 million, 30 million a year, you got options. The dude that ain't got no options, bro, you got to take whatever. Whatever. Like you. You got to like her.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
You know, you get my age, you know, you. You got a few options. They ain't like they used to be, you know, they don't show. They ain't the options I used to have when I was 35 or when I was 37. You know, your boy about to be 57. So you don't everyone. And you know, your unc, your aunt got to get a straggler if necessary. You know what I'm saying?
Ocho
Don't joke.
Matt Jones
I get. Keep it 1000 with y'all. Y fellas. Hey, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be honest with y'all. Chat. Hey, hey. I ain't got it like that, so I just gotta be honest. I wasn't born in time. O'Shea had options and ain't muscular. Dieseled up, abbed up everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Don't yo making good money. But I was in my 20s. I was in my 30s.
Ocho
It ain't the same no more.
Matt Jones
No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? Hey, hey. So, hey, Ojo, sometimes you know what you like, right? The ones that got the booty, you know, on the shelf is sitting up there. Right?
Ocho
Right.
Matt Jones
You know what I'm saying?
Ocho
Right?
Matt Jones
You know? You know, nice, tight, you know?
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, talk to me now.
Matt Jones
Hey, hey. I'll be on Instagram. I see them ones like that to come up on Explorer play. I just go ahead and scroll on up. I know y'all ain't looking at old 57 year old. So let me go and fluke go, right? Let me go look at a watch. Let me look. Let me look at a car. Something that I gotta. At least I got a chance to.
Ocho
Get it right, right, right.
Matt Jones
Every man got to know his limitations.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, I. Listen, listen. It's one thing about knowing your limitations, but it's also understanding that they don't know no better. They don't know no better. Okay? You have to understand those that they're going to give an opportunity to. They're competing with everybody else at a chance to be the main. And most of the time, you never will be the main. Because the guys you chasing, a guy that have a roster and a harem.
Matt Jones
Of women, and they got choices. O po hustler like O'Shea they call me, you know, they Call me the pro hustler back in the day, right?
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
I ain't got no options like that, right. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I want them old cars.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Matt Jones
You roll down the window, right? You know what I'm saying? You know, I ain't got all them surround sign bones, a hardened carmen, you know, 14 speakers in the car and all that stuff. I ain't got no defrosted seat. I ain't got no thing to burp, you know, massage my back. But I ain't got all them options on me.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, listen. Hey, age plays a factor now. I don't think people understand. But listen, especially for when it comes to women, too. And. And, fellas, if you're gonna get it and get it done, you got to get it done early. When you start hitting your third, you hit 35 and you hit 40 and thinking you still got the options you had when you were younger.
Matt Jones
Oh, no.
Ocho
Oh, no, you don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't care how fine it is. I don't care how good you think he looks.
Matt Jones
Still ain't got the box like you want to have when you was in 20s.
Ocho
It ain't what you think.
Matt Jones
Hey, Ocho, I've been in my 30s, and guess what? In my 50s, I got a little bit more money than I had in my 20s and 30s. Yeah.
Ocho
And it's still a little hard now. Yeah.
Matt Jones
I think I thought I would be a little bit even more attractive when I got on being. When I got Ben and Thomas Jefferson looking over my shoulder like this here. A little better right now. No.
Ocho
Yeah, no, he's still old.
Matt Jones
So it is what it is.
Ocho
Yeah, that's why. Hey, that's why. That's why I hung. I hung the jersey up in the rafters, man. I hung the jersey up in the rafter.
Matt Jones
Yeah. So, look, it is what it is, like I said. But Matthew Stafford is going to have options. It's always nice to have options. Because when you got options, that means you don't have to settle. Cause a lot of times don't show you ain't got no options. You gotta settle. And you know what I noticed? When people realize that you don't have options, they give you their butt to kiss.
Ocho
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Matt Jones
When they feel. When they feel like, oh, what you gonna do? You depended on me. Whether it's financial or whatever, whatever kind of support that you can offer that they don't feel you can get anywhere else, man, look here.
Ocho
Yeah, that's why you. Listen, you always got to stay two steps ahead, huh? You always got to stay two steps.
Matt Jones
I can't stay, too. I got to stay even with him because he just won't let me move two steps too fast. Ojo, I gotta stay, okay? I can't. I can't even get ahead of Ocho. I just stay. So I see them start to get a little head up. I'm like, okay, that. That means you about to. You about to pull a. Pull a move on me and get on up out of here, Okay? I tried it before. While it lasted.
Ocho
Hell no.
Matt Jones
I mean, you do what you got to do, Ocho. I. I ain't. No, I ain't what I used to be. I ain't what I used to be, Ocho.
Ocho
Oh, hey, there was some good days. Just think about it, though, bruh.
Matt Jones
It was.
Ocho
And some good days. What's that now?
Matt Jones
You suck getting old, Lo. It suck getting old. But, yeah, I showed him.
Ocho
You got me jogging. You got my memory. I'm jogging through my memory and just. And thinking about, you know, down memory lane, and, you know, I. I still got a little kick to me, you know?
Matt Jones
But, gee, ain't it funny how time just slips on away?
Ocho
Yeah. And you can't get it back now. No, no, no, you can't get it back. You can't get it back.
Matt Jones
Well, I had. I had my run. I had a little nice little. Hey. You know what I'm saying?
Ocho
Hey, I had a good. Oh, I had a good run now.
Matt Jones
Okay. Once upon a time, I was USA boat. Usain boat for a period of time with a fast man for 12 years stretch. He's the fastest man in the world. Yes, sir, that time belong to somebody else. Hey, I did what I did. I did what I could. It ain't like that old fool Shay. You know, my brother called me Shan O'Shay and O'Chateau, you know, they call me. My teammates used to call me Chateau. Yeah, Oshato. Can't do it no more.
Ocho
Nah, I ain't. I ain't. Listen, I ain't out there to the passage yet. I ain't. I ain't. I ain't that far gone. I'm out there grazing. I'm out that great on the green, in the grass.
Matt Jones
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Ocho
Hey.
Matt Jones
Hey. You took that pic? No, correct. What pill?
Ocho
That's that. That was.
Matt Jones
I take a. I take a Multivitamin.
Ocho
Yeah, that was all me, honey.
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Ocho
Yeah.
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Ocho
Hey, man. Hey, send me some of them. No, I'm roast far, man.
Matt Jones
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Ocho
What? Listen, you keep telling me the truth. I need. I need to test drive. I need to try it. I got the perfect candidate.
Matt Jones
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Ocho
I'm gonna order Some I'm gonna order.
Matt Jones
That's what you should do.
Ocho
What's the site? What's the site?
Matt Jones
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Ocho
Matter of fact, I'm gonna order some right now. Hold on.
Matt Jones
Hey, this right? Hey, the Rose Bars had you right now. I'm telling you now, y'all laughing. Y'all think I played? Yeah.
Ocho
I'm gonna go and get some of them.
Matt Jones
Go on and order it. And I guarantee you when y'all put them on and when you come home tomorrow, this one of these and your team. What, I don't know. Hey, y'all have one of these now. Now, for a nominal fee, I might be willing to autograph this and send it. Who would like to win this? I've had this thing. I had this back probably about 10, 11 years. As a matter of fact. I went somewhere. It's like, you're not supposed to take that. I said, oh, I just leave it with me, man. Y'all. Y'all have me in here cutting up, man. Hey, hold on. Let y'all see that thing one more time. Ocho, I'm telling you, the Rose Parks, they the truth.
Ocho
I got my, I got my order in. I'm ready. Ready. I'm gonna save it from February 14th.
Matt Jones
Many scouts believe the Browns will take Travis Hunter number two overall and focus on a quarterback later in the draft. A multitude, A multitude of NFL scouts are reportedly of the belief that there's no way Shador Sanders would play for the Browns, even if the Browns were interested in picking him. There's reportedly thought among scouting circles that if Hunter were to go to Cleveland, he would have a Jim Brown type impact on the franchise. Browns whole 33rd and 67th overall pick, which would possibly give them a potential to select Jackson Dart, Quinn Ewers, Jaylen Monroe or Cal McCord. This is going to be a franchise changing draft for the Browns. What you thinking, Ocho?
Ocho
I like it. I like it. You know, their identity anyway, is defense, is their defense. Honestly, until you get a quarterback at camp that can change the franchise right around like Jaden Daniels has done, like a C.J. stroud has done. But can you imagine Denzel Ward and goddamn Travis Hunter?
Matt Jones
I don't care if you got Denzel Ward. I don't care if you got Prime Time. I don't care if you got Mel Blunt. I don't care if you got re. If you cannot score, you cannot win in this league.
Ocho
Oo, yeah, I, I, I understand. Listen, you got to start somewhere. You, you, you you got to build a foundation somewhere. You got to start somewhere. And it's been how long since they've had a quarterback Auto?
Matt Jones
Graham N. I mean, they have some good years with. With Bernie, you know, Bernie, you know, they had the card. The cardiac. The cardiac Brown with. What was the guy named Brian Site. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, I think in the 80. 1980, site was an MVP. But. And, you know, they. They have. They had some situation. I think it was Bernie, that they went to the AFC championship games, that they ended up losing to the Broncos. They lost twice to Broncos in the AFC championship game. But it's been a while. That's been. Oh, that's been 30 plus years ago. Hell, that was before I got there. They lost. As a matter of fact, they lost to the Browns the year before I got there. So that was 89. I got to the Broncos in 90. So, hell, that was what, 35, 36, 37 years ago.
Ocho
And when I. When I. When I think about. You talk about putting. About putting. Putting asses in. Excuse me, talking about putting butts in seats.
Matt Jones
They had Baker. I mean, the Baker. Look, they had Baker, and Baker had a couple of good years, but they didn't have the talent around him. He got hurt. And like I said, Baker needed to move on. Um, they didn't. They didn't. They didn't like. And you have to accept Baker for who he is. He's a. He's. He's cocky, he believes in his ability. I got no pro. I got no problem with that. You know, they. They. You know, they like, well, we want an adult in the. In the building. But he's where Baker is, where he should be, in Tampa, playing unbelievable football for a team that believes in him, players that believe in him. And I'm glad that he was able to. But Cleveland, you're going to have to find somebody. You got Jerry, Judy, you got in Joku. You probably need another receiver. Probably need to start looking at a running back. You know, offensive line is okay, but you're probably gonna need to revamp your offensive line. Yeah, I agree with them. I don't know if Shadow. That's not a place Shador would want to go. I'm not so sure time would want him to go there. But at the end of the day, Browns, because you look within that division, you got Lamar. Lamar is going to be in Baltimore for another decade. Joe Burrow is going to be in Cincinnati for another decade. Now Pittsburgh, they're going to. Obviously, they're kind of like in Limbo. We keep Russ for another year or two? Or do we go ahead and transition and move to Justin Fields? But you cannot compete, which is just your defense trying to shut down Burrow and Lamar. You got to have a quarterback and you got to have somebody that can go toe to toe with him.
Ocho
Right.
Matt Jones
So draft is ojo.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Speaking of Jalen Milroe, he posted an image on IG saying he's in Cleveland and deleted it shortly after. Can you see the Browns drafting Mill Row with the number two overall quarterback? Number two overall pick?
Ocho
No, sir.
Matt Jones
I can't either.
Ocho
No, sir. No, no, sir. And that's no disrespect to him.
Matt Jones
No, no. What about at 33 or 76?
Ocho
Okay, now.
Matt Jones
Now 33, that's the first pick in the second round. 76 is probably about the second or third. That'll be like the eighth or ninth. That'll be like the eighth. The ninth pick, 12th pick in the third round.
Ocho
I can see early second. I can see that now. That I can see. But passing up on Travis Hunter or obviously Ward or Cam. Yeah, No, I agree.
Matt Jones
Ocho. A study by Oxford University researchers found that women typically have five close friends, but lose two of them when entering a new relationship due to reduced time or shift in priorities. However, those losses are often balanced by gaining a new friend, usually through their partner. Professor Robin Dunbar attributes the tr. The trend to the focused attention on a romantic relationship demands, leading to natural fading of some friendships.
Ocho
I mean, listen, I'm thinking. I can only speak from experience. I can only speak from experience for me is regards to any relationships I've gotten in throughout the years. My. My friend circle has always been the same. It's always remained the same.
Matt Jones
Didn't say women.
Ocho
Oh, okay. I see. I see you going. I see you going with this. But I think that why they be.
Matt Jones
Hating that would be talking about, oh, he ain't nothing on you. He cheat defeat y'all tribal. Cause y'all be wanting. Y'all be trying to keep a keeper close. Let him spend time with me.
Ocho
Let us be time with Ocho most of the time. You know what? Her friend girls, they be single. They be single. And I, you know, they mad cause.
Matt Jones
She won't go to the club with no more with y'all.
Ocho
Hey, your single friends will keep those that have boyfriends or husbands single.
Matt Jones
They want to.
Ocho
They want you miserable with them.
Matt Jones
They do.
Ocho
They give. They give you the worst advice and give you the worst advice so you can be miserable with them.
Matt Jones
Wow. I can see that. Ocho I do because, you know, all of a sudden, you know, they used to go to the club, they go on the trips to Cancun, and they go into Tulum and all that. And now she want to spend time with her man, she want to be booed up with me.
Ocho
You know, it depends on you.
Matt Jones
Ain't got no time. So. Oh, you too good to hang out? Yep. Cause I'm in a serious relationship. I'm trying to settle down. I'm going to get married, maybe have kids. Hey, ain't no kid going. Ain't no kids jumping off. Maybe one I might can squeeze out one. I don't know how to get this, you know, have to get this. This pipe cleaned out. A little rusty up in there. You know what I'm saying? No joke. But get that, you know, I might can squeeze out one.
Ocho
Yeah, there you go. Well, you know, you gotta think, especially depending on who you dating after a while. If you're dating after a while, you know, guys will allow their women take foreign girls go on girl trips, you know, friend girls be going dinner, go to, go to outings. You know, I think that's healthy for relationships when women can stay.
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah, I ain't got no problem with that. No, you go, hey, hang with your girl, you know, do your thing. Hey, but just know they don't mean no good. I ain't lying. Hey, they happen that you got. Hey, you got a nice life. You got G wagon. You got this. Got this big old house. You go, you ain't got to work. You got somebody to clean the house three times a week. You got somebody preparing the meals. Hey, your family taken care of. Blah, blah, blah.
Ocho
Hey, don't mess that up.
Matt Jones
Don't mess that up now for you.
Ocho
Be out there like them texting three different people to. To make ends meet. All right, he get the purses, another one. Get the shoes, another one.
Matt Jones
Yeah, you get flowers once a week. You get flowers once a week.
Ocho
Ah, matter of fact, I done bought you a garden, so you go pick your own flowers.
Matt Jones
Man 5 girlfriend. See, women got more friends. Women normally have more friends than guys don't. Yo.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
When I'm talking about, like, close friends, like, I'm saying, like, like you'll actually, like, talk to, you know what I'm saying? Like, share things with. Nah. Because see, for me, if I tell somebody something and I hear it again, I already know where it came from because I ain't talking to people.
Ocho
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Matt Jones
See, girl, like. And see, when somebody tell me something Ocho, man, can I tell you something? Okay. Before you tell me, who else have you told?
Ocho
Right, right.
Matt Jones
Because I don't want you to come back, bring your ass over here to my man. Did you tell? Hell, no. Who did you tell? I ain't want to tell nobody that bull job that you told me. So before you tell me, who did you tell? Man, I'll say, see? Okay? Now don't tell me.
Ocho
Hey, you know what? Hey, it's another question since we're on the topic. How come women friendships never really last? Especially when it's a group? If they go on a trip together.
Matt Jones
They come out, they'll be beefing.
Ocho
Ain't nobody friends no more. They go to dinner parties, you know, everybody spit the bill, then they're not friends no more.
Matt Jones
Yeah.
Ocho
Like, there's always a story or situation, especially on Twitter or X, whatever you want to call it, where this always happened. And it happens continuously. And regardless of age, the teenagers, the older group, even though the, you know, the of age, everybody be going through it always, I'm like, why does it always happen with women? They can never remain friends for a very, very long time. They always end up falling out about something that's so simple. They get a girlfriend one chance, but they give. They give JoJo, he get 30 chances to mess up. The girl give one chance, she don't come to my birthday dinner. No, I ain't. I ain't talking to that bitch.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, women ojo like. Like, I guess I think I'm unique. Like, I ain't a guy. Like. Like, if I like my. First of all, I ain't got to worry about this because Bucket and Burns married. But if right, My homeboy is like, okay, you interested in somebody? I'm good. Because I always felt that if you try to holler at me, you trying to get back at them. You try to tick them off. I ain't trying to kick my homeboys off. Now, there are some. Some men, your boys?
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Hey, you turn your back, they like.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Cause, you know, back. Back with your old Shay, you know, he said he's never. I got a stepper. I kept a stepper. You know what I'm saying?
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Matt Jones
And. And I. If nobody wanted what I. What I needed for, I need a looker. Yeah, you're supposed to be a looker.
Ocho
I need you to turn heads now.
Matt Jones
And I'm always getting there first because I want you to walk in because I want to see the reaction. I don't care if the guys look, I want to see the women that look. Because if they look, I know I got something. I know I got a. I know I got a winner, right? That's what you need to look. Look here, guys. They hit the crack of dawn and then they ain't saying nothing. They ain't saying nothing for them, right? But when the women look. Oh, okay. I like what she got on, you know?
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Matt Jones
You know, she got on some Tom Ford heels or some YSLs, maybe some Balenciaga boots. You know the Balenciaga got them knee high boots right now.
Ocho
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Ocho
They ain't seasonal. It's when it's cold.
Matt Jones
For sure. For sure. With a nice bag, you know, ysl, Dior, lv, you know, one of the more nice ones.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Man, ain't nothing like. Ain't nothing like a beautiful woman. Nah, ain't nothing like it. O Joe, listen.
Ocho
God knew what he was doing when he made women in general. That is one of the greatest creations ever known to man. Ever.
Matt Jones
Ain't nothing like him. Ocho. A woman that work out just a little. I ain't say she. That's gotta be her life, right? But just a little. Ocho. Yeah. Lord, forgive me for my ways.
Ocho
Tough.
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Matt Jones
Wasn't that delicious? So good.
Ocho
Your bill, ladies.
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Ocho
Hold on. Let me go. Let me use the bathroom real quick.
Matt Jones
Go ahead. J. Dunn from Akron. Appreciate the love for my alma mater, Go Bucks. Imma celebrate by buying a couple of bottles of laportier and Ocho cigars. Keep up the good work, Ocho. Still waiting on that jersey. Stay strong, Jenkins family. Buckeye Nation. All right, J Dub, I appreciate that, man. Congratulations, man. I know that's been a long time. Cause y'all guys been knocking on the door. You went to a couple of you in the finals, lost to Clemson one year, and the next year y'all go and y'all get blown out by Alabama. Y'all just kept knocking, kept knocking, and finally you guys got over the hump. So congratulations. We appreciate that. Yeah. And I guess this incident Ohio, I don't know if you're still in Ohio, but this incident did happen in Ohio, so, yeah, we send our thoughts and prayers to the Jenkins family that had to go through what they went through. But the Buckeyes did, it seemed like. To me. I thought Texas was their toughest opponent. Look, Notre Dame made the game interesting late in the ball game, but at 31, nothing. I don't know how many people stayed around that was there, that when the Irish started making their comeback, was still tuned in and watching at that point in time. But give the Buckeyes credit. Hell of a season lost. Oregon redeemed that loss, Lost the final game of the season to Michigan. But I think this national championship, I think it makes up for that loss to Michigan by winning the national championship. They're the national champs. So. J Dub, I appreciate that, man. I appreciate the support. I appreciate you watching Nightcap supporting Ocho and I. And I definitely appreciate you supporting laportier. So thank you, man. Appreciate that. Yeah. Oo. Get that man in Jersey. Isaiah Lancaster. Uncle Ocho, does Allen defeat Mahomes this weekend? And what's your thoughts on Chandler Parson saying KD is better Than Kobe all time. His opinion. But Kobe was way better two way player to me. Man, that's going to be a great game. What's the weather going to be like in Kansas City? I don't think it didn't pass either because both of them used to play in the cold. Both games were cold yesterday. Jdub said he's still waiting on his jersey.
Ocho
J Dub, send me. I need his information. Huh?
Matt Jones
Ash done sent you the information.
Ocho
No, she didn't. She said when she sent it to Mia. Mia. Mia rare Ryan. Oh, she sent to Ryan?
Matt Jones
Yep.
Ocho
Well, tell Ryan send it to me. I gotta, I gotta.
Matt Jones
What the hell? That your sister? What the hell you mean? Tell Ryan to send it to you.
Ocho
Oh, my bad. Yeah, I got jersey. I got jerseys right. I got three jerseys right now sitting in the whatchamacallit. I'm talking about game. I'm talking about game jerseys too. Game worn.
Matt Jones
Yeah. He said he gonna buy some cigars. He gonna celebrate. Cause he a Buckeye alum. So he gonna buy some cigars and some laporte. Yeah. Yeah, celebrate. Isaiah Lancaster asked Ocho, does Josh Allen defeat Mahomes this weekend and what are your thoughts on Chandler Parsons saying KD is better than Kobe? His opinion, but Kobe was a better two way player.
Ocho
For one, the basketball question is better suited for you. Ah, oh my goodness. That's gonna be a good one. Mahomes is gonna have to play mistake free. I mean not Mahomes. Josh Allen gonna have to play mistake free football, huh?
Matt Jones
Yeah. One tournament could be the difference in this ball game.
Ocho
I think they're gonna have to steal a possession or two. They gotta steal a possession or two and play mistake free football. And there's a good chance the Bills win this game. There's a good chance the Bills win this game. But that guy Mahomes, man, that Patty Mahomes. Yeah.
Matt Jones
It's hard to bet against.
Ocho
They are firing on all cylinders. On all cylinders. That's going to be a good game, man. That's going to be a good game.
Matt Jones
That's going to be a great game.
Ocho
Yeah, man. Hey, what do you think about that question about you know KDB better than better than Kobe?
Matt Jones
I think he's better at certain things than Kobe. Yeah, maybe a three point shooter, maybe a mid range, but as a better. Nah, I ain't going all around. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not close. All around. Kobe was a, a seven or was a eight or nine time all defensive team player, first team along with all those, all NBA first team a five time champion, a two time finals mvp. Which Katie is a two time finals mvp. I can't go there.
Ocho
In what context is he speaking in KD being better?
Matt Jones
What? Maybe I guess he's saying he's a better all time player and I don't know what he's basing it on. Is Katie a better three point shooter? Yeah. Better in the mid range? Yes. But Kobe, I can't go there. Yeah, he's more efficient than Kobe. See kd, kd KD game is not predicated on a whole bunch of shots. KD game is predicated on efficiency. Right. KD the type of guy that can go get 40 points on 18 shots.
Ocho
Dang.
Matt Jones
Which is rare because and I'm not for a big. Now you talking about a guy that's just like a Shaq getting 40 because you know he gonna dunk the ball. But KD getting KD shooting jumpers mid range. So nah, I can't. I'm gonna disagree with challenge. That's his opinion. But I disagree. Tony BNR said, arguing with my family. Is Golf a top 10 quarterback?
Ocho
Top 10 this year? Yes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean you got Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen. Hell, this year. Hell. What you call the top 10 quarterback? Jaden Daniels? Yeah.
Ocho
Absolutely.
Matt Jones
Yeah. I mean the way golf has played the last couple of years, you have to put him in the top 10. Tim Le said, Come on oo come on, bro. I don't even think Purdy is good. But to say Lance is better is just asinine. Do you think Shanahan lynch are dumb? Purdy shouldn't get 50 million, but he's definitely better than Lance.
Ocho
That just pains me at times. That pains me at times, but it happens.
Matt Jones
Aaron O says, what's up unk? Had Jamal Lewis not torn his ACL in 01? Do you think you guys. Do you think you guys go back to back? Nah, the team had changed too much. We had all of a sudden thought, you know, we threw the ball more than what we should have. Yeah, I thought TA came in and did a great job of Terry Allen. We got him, my homeboy. He was at Minnesota. Had some good year, great years in Minnesota, had some good years at Washington, but we're a different team. The defense was not as vaunted, was not as scary as it was the previous year. Teams that kind of figured us out a little bit. And so even when we didn't turn the ball over, teams had a little bit more success. Their offense had a little bit more success. Ocho on our defense than what they had in the past. J Dub said Ash just sent your info to rail. She's gonna make it happen. Okay.
Ocho
Okay. Okay. Yeah, she. She got. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm gonna make her Make. Make her ship it off too. I bet. I bet you have. I bet you. What's the day. What's the day on today?
Matt Jones
Monday.
Ocho
Huh?
Matt Jones
Yeah. No, today. Tuesday. Because we already.
Ocho
Okay, Tuesday. I. I bet you have. I bet you had that jersey before third. Before Thursday or Friday.
Matt Jones
Yeah, you gotta sign it, though.
Ocho
No, they already signed. I'm gonna just get. Yeah, I meant to give him one of them.
Matt Jones
Sheldon Pope said, if Magic Johnson wins a Super bowl, what. What can we say about him? He wins at all level. NBA championship, Dodgers and in Washington. I think he won one with the. The Galaxy, and he won one with the Sparks. Look, golly, Magic just knows how to do it. He's a very savvy businessman. He knows where to put his money. He surrounded himself with great people. That's a part about. That's what I'm saying, Ocho. When you win, that's your brand. People want to associate with winners.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
That's how Magic was able to make all these contacts. Being with the Lakers, being in la, and boom, he get put in place. You know, the Starbucks deal and the Magic Johnson theaters and the Magic Johnson skating rinks and all that other stuff that came along with being Magic Johnson and being in LA and winning. People wanted to associate with it.
Ocho
Yeah. Now relationships are so important.
Matt Jones
It's all about relationship. Once you get to this level, so important.
Ocho
And not burning bridges along the way, because you never know when you might need somebody.
Matt Jones
Nehemiah Jean Philippe. Was there any fallout? Mate called the Julio Jones of live TV when he wanted to be traded. What was the aftermath? I wish I wouldn't have called Julio. I kind of put him in a bad spot. I didn't kind of put him in a bad spot. Julio felt that when they started talking about, you know, everybody was safe. Matt Ryan was the only one safer than everybody else. He felt he should have been included in Matt Ryan. He felt he should have been untouchable.
Ocho
Right.
Matt Jones
And he knew it came from someone in the front office, always. And it kicked him off because Julio gave everything to the Falcons. He probably played some games that he probably shouldn't have played. He probably should have took some Take. Taken some time off. But he had a great situation in Atlanta. They treated him well. And I think Ocho, sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low, and you hear us say that here, I think. And the gentleman we just had Mikey on, he's like, look, be, don't, don't make an emotional decision. And he was hurt that they thought that, oh, we just move on with Julio. We just keep Matt when he really should have just stayed. Because Julio had it really good there.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Matt Jones
With his practice schedule, he didn't realize. Everybody don't do that, Ocho. Everybody don't let their veterans just come out there and do a little bit on Wednesday, a little bit on Thursday, hit it on Friday and then go play on, on, on Sunday.
Ocho
Right?
Matt Jones
Everybody ain't got it like that on Joe. But I talked to, I talked to Julio. I just hate that I put him in that spot. I really do. Because Julio, Julio is a great, is a great guy. Tre, what's up? Nightcap, maybe. Vet, can you shout out my wife? PLC Diamond Hawkins on deployment in Kuwait. If JD5 go to the super bowl, do we look, do we look at other, other quarterbacks differently? Even more body of work. I. E. Lamar diamond, pfc. PFC is Private First Class Diamond Hawkins on deploy on deployment in Kuwait. Oh, that's his wife. Oh, okay. Terry diamond, how you doing? I don't know if you're watching this, but thank you for your service. Your hub want to wish to give you a shout out. She's in deployment in Kuwait. Ocho, thank you for your, your service. To all the men and women in the military, thank you so much for all you do to keep us safe and sound. If Daniels go to the super bowl, of course, that's, that's the thing. We look at all quarterbacks differently. When somebody go to the super bowl, that's ultimately, that's, that's what you do. That's why you make the big bucks. There's a reason why no, no player is it within $20 million, $15 million, 30 million to 30, $25 million of the top quarterback. The highest paid wide receiver makes 25 million. The highest paid quarterback makes 60 million. There's a reason why no other players within 25 million are the highest paid quarterback. That's the expectations. They get all the, they get all the credit, they get all the blame. Tara Buller said my daughter, Camara Buller made the dean list at Savannah State. She's also a sophomore. Now. Can you give shout out? Kamara, congratulations.
Ocho
Congratulations.
Matt Jones
SSU College by the sea. You can get anywhere from here. Congratulations on making the dean list, Terrell. I know you're proud of Kamora. I'm proud. Being A proud alum. Thank you for sending your daughter to us. She's in great hands. Congratulations, Kamora, on making the dean's list. Joseph Salazar. What's up, uncle don't show. Love the show. Can y'all do me a favor? Wishing my two boys, Zadrik and Xavion, happy birthday. Bruhandra Qiandra, my girlfriend. Happy early birthday, bro. What's up with these names? Zadrik and Zevion. Happy birthday. Your dad wanted us to wish you a happy birthday. Hopefully you guys did something fun. Played some video games, got a new PlayStation. Xbox or whatever kids of your ages get Cassandra, your girlfriend. He wanted. Joseph want to wish you a happy early birthday. Now, hopefully y'all do something fun, something romantic. You know how y'all do, you know?
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Hey, Joe, gonna get it in now. Hey, get them roast barks, bro. Trudy, Lauren says Shay Shay Ocho at midnight will be my birthday. Can't wait to hit that high note for my birthday. Thanks for the sport and most of all, the laugh. That's what I'm talking about. Trudy says you gonna hit that high note.
Ocho
Yeah.
Matt Jones
Okay.
Ocho
In that thing.
Matt Jones
Judy said she ready to get a mean one. Happy early birthday, Trudy. Hoping you do something fun. Get some great gifts, Hang out with family, friends and loved ones. That's what it's all about. Antonio Taylor. Say, will y'all run the show an extra 30 minutes to hit the. It's a good night. No. Cause I gotta work in the morning.
Ocho
Me too.
Matt Jones
Jordan said, who's a better driver, men or women? Who's a better driver? Ojo men.
Ocho
And there are some women that. That can drive. But the majority of men are good. The majority of women are bad. They can't even parallel park. Oh.
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah.
Ocho
I don't know what that Austin. That Austin Powers clip.
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah, that's the. Whoa.
Ocho
She gave. She gave the wheel.
Matt Jones
Oh, the wheels came off, didn't it?
Ocho
Oh, she done mess.
Matt Jones
You crashed it to the little ball. Lord have mercy.
Ocho
She done wreck that.
Matt Jones
And she take off running. Hey, call the cops. Leaving the scene of an accident, failing to render aid.
Ocho
He must have been intoxicated.
Matt Jones
Lord have mer. How she drive right into the wall.
Ocho
And you got. You got to learn how to whip. You got to know how to whip that thing. Gotta bring that thing. Bring it, bring it. Bring it in and come on.
Matt Jones
Lord have mercy. I mean, she. She stepped on the gas, too. Ocho, you hard.
Ocho
Yeah, she drunk. She drunk.
Matt Jones
I don't.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't.
Matt Jones
I don't know who she worked for. But I don't know if she gonna be employed tomorrow.
Ocho
Nah, and it's on camera, too. She done broke the people.
Matt Jones
And she think I'm running. That's what got it on, Joe. She think I'm running. Bam. Run like. What the hell?
Ocho
He tripping.
Matt Jones
O.J. watch this.
Ocho
He took off.
Matt Jones
Yes. You bloody.
Ocho
She added him.
Matt Jones
Ocho. What if she don't. What if she don't work there? What if she does? Snuck past security.
Ocho
To be where she is. They gotta be somebody because Coach Ryan Day just walked by, too.
Matt Jones
He was in the car at the front seat.
Ocho
Oh, he was?
Matt Jones
Yes.
Ocho
Oh, Lord. Got to be somebody important.
Matt Jones
Oh, no. I don't know. She gonna be gainfully employed tomorrow. That's just me. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Thank you. And again, congratulations to the Buckeyes as they take down the Irish of Notre Dame 34 to 23 to win their first national championship since in 20. What? They won 2014. They won the first. The first College Football Playoff. They won the first 12 team college, 12 team college playoffs. They won't. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He the Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame honoree, the pro bowler, the all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like, button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for the support. Thank you for the continued support. Please make sure you check out Shaved by La Portier. We do have it in stock. Buckeye fans. What better way to celebrate than with a bottle of Shea by La Portier for your new national champion. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you order it. We'll ship it directly to your door. And please, please drink responsibly. Go follow my media company page on all platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, our newest release just dropped last month. We've got T shirts, sweats, beanies, koozies and mugs. Quantities are limited, so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last tickets for the super bowl show in New Orleans. It's our first spring tour stop. They are on sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. The VIP meet and greet tickets are sold out, but there are still plenty of tickets left to attend The Big Show February 6th in New Orleans at the Mahalia Jackson Theater. Be there. Both Nightcap and Club Shay Shay have been nominated for NAACP Image award Nightcap was a nominator for Outstanding Podcast in Art, Sports and Entertainment Club. Shay Shay was nominated for Outstanding Podcasts in Society and Culture. Please go vote for your two favorite guys, Ocho and I, and the link is pinned in our social bios. We want to thank our special guest Mikey and his wife Brianna Brittany. Brittany, not Brianna Brittany for joining us and sharing their side of the story. What actually happened. Not the story that was being portrayed by you know who doing all that crying them old fake tears. Ain't nobody believe that. But thank you Mikey for coming on. Thank you for holding your composure. Thanks for putting us in a very, very positive light. And thank you again for you and your wife coming on and sharing with us. And we wish your family peace, safety and continued success. Ohio State beats Notre Dame for The national championship 34 to 23 is the first national championship since 2014. Congratulations to Ohio. Ryan Dake wins his first national championship. He was the offensive coordinator when Urban Meyer led him to a national championship. He took over for Urban and he's won. He's 70 and 10 many Big Ten championships, but now he has a national championship. So congratulations to Coach Day and the Buckeyes and Buckeye Nation, Buckeye country, whatever you call yourself. Congratulations. I'm Unk, he's Ocho. We're out and we'll see you down the road. The Volume Amazon One Medical Presents Painful.
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Club Shay Shay Podcast Episode Summary
Title: Club Shay Shay
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
Episode: Nightcap - Hour 2: Ben Johnson to Chicago + Will Browns draft Travis Hunter?
Release Date: January 21, 2025
Introduction
In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe, alongside co-host Chad Ochocino Johnson (referred to as Matt Jones and Ocho), dives deep into pivotal NFL developments. The primary focus centers on the Chicago Bears' recent hiring of Ben Johnson as their new head coach and explores the Cleveland Browns' potential selection of Travis Hunter in the upcoming draft. The hosts blend expert analysis with candid conversations, offering listeners an engaging and informative dialogue on team strategies, player performances, and the broader implications for the league.
Ben Johnson's Appointment as Chicago Bears Head Coach
The episode kicks off with the major news that Ben Johnson, the Cincinnati Bengals' highly acclaimed offensive coordinator, has been hired as the Chicago Bears' new head coach. Johnson's track record includes leading offenses that consistently ranked in the top five over the past three seasons, making him a coveted addition for the Bears aiming to revamp their offensive strategies.
Matt Jones on the Hire:
"I like the hire. I like Ben Johnson. I'm a little surprised that he went into the same division as a former boss. Normally, they get away, Ocho, but, hey, that was the best situation available."
(07:40)
Ocho's Perspective:
"Damn right. I like the hype you got. Damn right. Now listen, we talk about Ben Johnson—he worked wonders with Jared Goff, worked wonders offensively with that offense. The creativity that has amazed all of us all season long."
(04:23)
The hosts unanimously agree that Johnson's offensive expertise will be instrumental in transforming the Bears' gameplay. They highlight his ability to innovate and adapt, which could be the catalyst the Bears need to climb up the rankings.
Strategic Implications for the Bears' Offense
Delving deeper, Matt and Ocho analyze how Ben Johnson's coaching style will mesh with the current roster, particularly focusing on quarterback Caleb Williams and key offensive players.
Ocho on Offensive Synergy:
"You have a great quarterback, dual-threat quarterback who's a little bit more mobile, a little bit more agile, can play off script a little better than Goff and Kayden Williams, he's a good thrower of the ball as well. This is going to be a perfect relationship not only for Ben Johnson but for Caleb Williams in his career."
(04:23)
They discuss the potential enhancements in the offensive line, emphasizing the need to reduce quarterback sacks and provide better protection for Caleb Williams.
Matt on Offensive Line Improvements:
"You're gonna have to improve the offensive line because that's one thing, huh?... your quarterback took 60 plus sacks. That's too many."
(07:39)
The comparison to the Detroit Lions' robust offensive line serves as a benchmark for the Bears, indicating the level of improvement required to support their new coaching strategies effectively.
Critique of Coaching Hire Practices: Rooney Rule and Meritocracy
The conversation shifts to a critique of how certain teams approach coaching hires, specifically addressing the implications of the Rooney Rule.
Matt Criticizing Surface-Level Hiring:
"What I don't like about Chicago and New England doing that fake stuff. Bring black coaches in there when they know damn where they're not."
(05:56)
Ocho Supporting Merit-Based Hiring:
"They gotta check the boxes. They gotta meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place. That's really not working."
(06:47)
Both hosts express dissatisfaction with hiring practices that prioritize diversity quotas over genuine merit, arguing that it can undermine team performance and coach effectiveness.
Cooper Kupp’s Future with the Rams
A brief yet poignant discussion touches upon Cooper Kupp's uncertain future with the Los Angeles Rams.
Matt on Kupp's Uncertainty:
"Cooper Kupp doesn't know whether he'll be back with the Rams. Kupp said today he has no doubt he'll play in '24, but there is doubt whether it's going to be with the Rams intents to keep him. Kupp—who knows what's going to happen."
(05:44)
The hosts emphasize the importance of Kupp's role and speculate on potential moves, reflecting broader concerns about player retention and team stability.
Cleveland Browns' Potential Draft Move: Travis Hunter
One of the pivotal discussions revolves around the Cleveland Browns' possible selection of Travis Hunter as the number two overall pick in the NFL Draft. The hosts explore the strategic benefits this move could bring to the Browns.
Matt on the Significance of Drafting Hunter:
"Many scouts believe the Browns will take Travis Hunter number two overall and focus on a quarterback later in the draft. This is going to be a franchise-changing draft for the Browns."
(30:34)
Ocho on Building a Competitive Team:
"I like it. Their identity anyway, is defense, is their defense. Honestly, until you get a quarterback at camp that can change the franchise like Jaden Daniels has done... But can you imagine Denzel Ward and Travis Hunter?"
(31:17)
They argue that securing a dynamic quarterback like Travis Hunter is essential for the Browns to compete effectively within their division, especially against formidable opponents like Lamar Jackson's Baltimore Ravens and Joe Burrow's Cincinnati Bengals.
Listener Q&A and Shoutouts
Towards the latter part of the episode, Matt and Ocho engage with their audience through listener Q&A segments and heartfelt shoutouts.
J. Dunn from Akron Celebrates Buckeye Nation:
"Appreciate the love for my alma mater, Go Bucks. Imma celebrate by buying a couple of bottles of LaPortier and Ocho cigars. Keep up the good work, Ocho."
(46:06)
Acknowledging Military Service:
"Private First Class Diamond Hawkins on deployment in Kuwait. Ocho, thank you for your service to all those in the military."
(55:21)
These interactions not only foster a sense of community but also highlight the hosts' commitment to recognizing and celebrating their listeners' milestones and contributions.
Concluding Remarks
As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the season's developments and express optimism about the strategic moves discussed.
Matt on Future Prospects:
"That's what makes the draft game so intriguing, Ocho. The decisions teams make now can redefine their future success."
(34:35)
They encourage listeners to stay tuned for more in-depth analysis in future episodes, emphasizing the importance of informed discussions in understanding the evolving dynamics of the NFL.
Notable Quotes
Ocho: "Caleb Williams being one of the top quarterbacks in the league statistically because of Ben Johnson and his creativity and his offensive prowess."
(04:23)
Matt: "If you cannot score, you cannot win in this league."
(31:46)
Ocho: "They gotta check the boxes. They gotta meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place. That's really not working."
(06:47)
Conclusion
This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a thorough exploration of significant NFL developments, providing listeners with expert insights into coaching hires, team strategies, and draft prospects. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocino Johnson deliver a blend of analysis, critique, and community engagement, making it a must-listen for avid football fans seeking to stay informed and entertained.