Nightcap - Hour 2: Bieniemy blackballed?, Xavier Legette raccoon, Beyonce halftime performance

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: "Bieniemy Blackballed?, Xavier Legette Raccoon, Beyoncé Halftime Performance"

Release Date: December 27, 2024

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media

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1. CD Lamb's Ongoing Injury and Cowboys' Strategy [05:04 - 06:07]

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco kick off the episode by discussing the latest on Cowboys' wide receiver CD Lamb. Lamb has been dealing with a sprained AC joint since November 3rd, which has worsened over time. Due to his persistent injury and the Cowboys' elimination from the playoffs, the team has decided to sideline him, emphasizing that surgery isn't deemed necessary at this point.

Chad Ochocinco:
"The Cowboys decided to sit Lamb as they are eliminated from the playoffs. He's not expected to need surgery and should make a full recovery through treatment."
[05:04]

Shannon Sharpe:
"He's over 1,000 yards, right?"
[05:01]

This segment highlights the tough decisions teams must make regarding player health and season outcomes.

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2. DeSean Jackson's Coaching Ambitions at Delaware State [06:07 - 11:21]

The conversation transitions to DeSean Jackson finalizing his role as the head coach of Delaware State. Chad Ochocinco shares insights from Pete Thamel's recent on-campus interview with Jackson, reflecting on the growing trend of NFL players moving into coaching positions at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs).

Chad Ochocinco:
"DeSean Jackson is finalizing the deal to become the head coach of Delaware State."
[06:07]

Shannon Sharpe:
"I like it. I'm about to hit, I'm gonna hit D Jack, too."
[07:35]

They compare Jackson's move to other notable transitions, such as Mike Vick and Eddie George taking coaching roles, underscoring the expanding landscape of NFL personalities moving into mentorship and leadership positions within collegiate sports.

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3. The Realities and Challenges of NFL Coaching [11:21 - 16:33]

Sharpe and Ochocinco delve into the demanding nature of NFL coaching roles. They discuss the extensive hours, job insecurity, and the personal sacrifices coaches make, often leading to burnout and turnover. The segment underscores the high-pressure environment that coaches operate within, emphasizing that despite their passion, the demanding workload and inconsistent results can be detrimental.

Shannon Sharpe:
"They got pillows and they got blankets in there in the office."
[12:15]

Chad Ochocinco:
"Coaching is like being in the military... Ain't nothing touching the NFL."
[12:00]

The hosts express a mutual skepticism about long-term coaching careers, highlighting the relentless nature of the profession and questioning its sustainability for most individuals.

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4. Culinary Conversations: Raccoon and Oxtail Preparation [18:35 - 31:00]

Shannon and Chad transition to a lighter topic, sharing personal anecdotes and cultural insights about preparing traditional Southern dishes like raccoon and oxtails. They discuss different cooking methods, family traditions, and regional variations in how these unique meats are prepared and enjoyed.

Chad Ochocinco:
"Xavier Leggett brought Raccoon to the locker room..."
[18:35]

Shannon Sharpe:
"I got some in the freezer right now."
[29:15]

This segment not only provides a glimpse into their personal lives but also celebrates Southern culinary heritage, offering listeners a taste of traditional recipes and the nostalgia associated with them.

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5. Beyoncé's Halftime Show and Its Impact on NFL Viewership [31:00 - 35:31]

The hosts analyze the remarkable viewership numbers during Beyoncé's halftime performance at the Texans vs. Ravens game on Christmas Day. The halftime show attracted 27 million viewers, contributing to the game reaching a record-breaking 65 million viewers in the U.S.

Chad Ochocinco:
"NFL viewership of Christmas Day game peaked at 27 million during the Beyoncé halftime performance..."
[31:00]

Shannon Sharpe:
"We talk about the greatest live performer since Michael Jackson."
[32:37]

Sharpe and Ochocinco praise Beyoncé's performance, attributing its success to her unparalleled talent and consistency. They discuss how high-profile performances can significantly boost NFL viewership, drawing parallels to past legendary performers and their impact on sports event ratings.

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6. Q&A Segment: Memorable NFL Moments and Career Reflections [46:06 - 56:01]

In the final segment, Shannon and Chad engage with listener-submitted questions, sharing their most memorable NFL moments and reflecting on their careers. They recount stories of significant plays, personal achievements, and the emotional milestones that defined their journeys in professional football.

Chad Ochocinco:
"Catching a touchdown in Kansas City. My first game. I got an opportunity to play, really got an opportunity to play. Started, split me out wide, caught a touchdown on Kroc..."
[51:00]

Shannon Sharpe:
"I think my belonging moment once I kind of figured it out was obviously my first touchdown against the Chargers."
[52:01]

These heartfelt exchanges offer listeners an intimate look into the hosts' experiences, fostering a deeper connection and appreciation for their contributions to the sport.

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7. Closing Remarks and Upcoming Events [56:01 - 60:06]

Shannon and Chad wrap up the episode with final thoughts, promoting upcoming events such as their Spring Tour in New Orleans and encouraging listeners to engage with their merchandise and social platforms. They also touch upon recent NFL developments, including team performances and coaching changes, providing a sneak peek into future discussions.

Chad Ochocinco:
"The Seahawks beat the Bears by the score of 6:3..."
[59:35]

Shannon Sharpe:
"I think my belonging moment once I kind of figured it out was obviously my first touchdown against the Chargers."
[52:01]

Their enthusiastic promotion ensures that listeners stay informed and connected with the latest content and community activities.

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Notable Quotes:

• "They got pillows and they got blankets in there in the office."
  Shannon Sharpe
  [12:15]

• "Coaching is like being in the military... Ain't nothing touching the NFL."
  Chad Ochocinco
  [12:00]

• "NFL viewership of Christmas Day game peaked at 27 million during the Beyoncé halftime performance..."
  Chad Ochocinco
  [31:00]

• "I think my belonging moment once I kind of figured it out was obviously my first touchdown against the Chargers."
  Shannon Sharpe
  [52:01]

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Conclusion:

In this episode of "Nightcap," Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco offer a comprehensive and engaging discussion covering pivotal NFL topics, personal anecdotes, and cultural insights. From player injuries and coaching careers to traditional Southern cuisine and high-profile halftime performances, the hosts deliver a rich tapestry of conversations that resonate with both avid football fans and casual listeners alike. Their ability to intertwine serious analysis with lighthearted stories ensures a balanced and captivating listening experience.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, they always tell you about an injury when they want you to keep on playing. OO oh, you can't do any more damage to me to. Well, if that's the case, why keep on hurting then? Yeah, if I ain't gonna need no surgery if it's as worse as it's gonna get, why you telling me I'm gonna need surgery? Yeah, I can do more damage. Man, that car already beat up. Yeah, well, I can still do some more damage to it. Let me run into another wall. But with the Cowboys eliminated from the playoff, the team has decided to sit as number one receiver. And the statement? The Cowboys said he's not expected to need surgery and should make a full recovery through the process of treatment and rehabilitation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's over 1,000 yards, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. We good? Go ahead and shut that down. Yes, go ahead and shut that down. Get ready for next season. You know, when you get back. Ready. You and. You and Dak get in the lab. You and Dak get in the lab. Matter of fact, you're going to be ready for minicamp. Matter of fact, you're going to be ready for training camp. That's another duo. Yeah, y'all need to hit the ground.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But Ocho. But they weren't. Ocho, they're not. They weren't on the level that I thought they were going to be on, considering where they were last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they couldn't be. They couldn't be. You know, that chemistry, it ain't like. Listen, that chemistry has to be built back up. CD Lamb is all the training camp.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We gonna get a deal done. We gonna get a deal done. You playing around. You playing games, man, if you serious about actually winning, do right by your team. Do right by your players. Have everybody in the building when they need to be there. That why you think? Why you think? Why you think? Goddamn Michael Parsons said what he said earlier. He planting the seed right now. Don't play with me when it's time to give me my money because I want to be at minicamp.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to be in the off. At the off season program. I want to be at training camp. I don't want to be holding out like every player has to do when it's time to get goddamn paid. I think they just like the fact that they got us out here begging, waiting on our goddamn money. I think they do it on purpose because the numbers are what they are. The numbers are what they are. What are you waiting for to pay these individuals? Ain't nothing magical going to happen. Ain't nothing magical going to change about the market. You know what it is? You know what? He's supposed to be paid. Just get the shit done. Get it done. Have your players in there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Joe, here's something that came out of nowhere. DeSean Jackson is finalizing the deal to become the head coach of Delaware State. Yeah, Pete Thamel, he did an on campus interview in recent days and the sides are expected to come together in the near future. Per source. It's always been a dream of Jackson to coach at an hbcu. That dream could become a reality in the near future. We saw Mike Vick take that direction. Eddie George is at Tennessee State. We saw Coach prime was at Jackson State. Eddie Robb was at Grambling. Yeah. Norfolk. Mike just went to Norfolk. Eddie, Rob, was that. Was it Alabama State or Graham?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Eddie Rob Jr. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you know, the one that played the Titans. He played the Titans and the Jags.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he played in the NFL also. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it. I like it. I'm about to hit. I'm gonna hit D Jack, too. I'm. Listen, I just want to intern. I want to intern.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want to coach. I ain't never been to Delaware. I don't know where Delaware at. If I look at the map right now, I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you where Delaware was at.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But they know. We saw you at the Globe. We saw you on the Globe trying to pick out them countries.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. I know DJ there, and I know if I ask this guy, I said, dj, Listen, let me come in. The intern. I just want to talk to the receivers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you know DJ there. But you can't go. You can't go there because you don't know what Delaware is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know, but D.J. gonna give me. I got GPS. I got GPS and I'm an intern. All I want to do is I want to diversify my portfolio and have intern at Delaware State on my resume. That's all I want to do. That's all I want to do. Listen, I got 50, 11 goddamn jobs. And to be able to have boom. Intern at Delaware State as a consultant and assistant to the head football coach, that would be dj. That looked good on my resume because you never know what opportunities are going to be presented to me in the future.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I thought you didn't want to coach, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not coaching. That's why I said intern.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So what? Oh, no, but you said presented for you in the future, what opportunity is going to be presented you internally if that's not what you want to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, the opportunities I'm speaking of and speaking about isn't going to have anything to do with coaching and just having it on my resume based on what it is I want to do. I might want to enter the corporate world. I might be the CEO of goddamn Amazon or Google. A C. Oh, C. O, O, A cmo. Because I. I. Listen, I talked to Jeff Bezos, and we.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What about Janitor? Oh, what's that they. You get? They let you use your head as well as your hands. They put a hat on your head and a broom in your hand. Sweep the floor. Ocho, wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I ain't got no problem doing janitorial services.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't got a problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Because My fee is high. My fee is high. If you willing to pay my goddamn fee, I'll sweep any motherfucking thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I already know. They know you clean. You clean some nasty areas before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's one thing about it. If you don't wipe too good, I finish with my tongue.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho. Eric B. Enemy. We just spoke about him the other day. Eric B. Enemy will join. Join the Washington Huskies coaching staff as an offensive analyst. Okay. Is Eric B. Enemy being shut out of the NFL?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I wouldn't say he's being shut out. I wouldn't say he's being shut out, but you just got fired. You just got fired. The NFL season is headed into the playoffs. I don't think any NFL teams want to bring on Eric Bien Amie right now. If there's a team that's going to bring him on, it would be the Kansas City Chief next year, Andy Reid and Eric Vinnie, I'm sure like this. I'm sure Patrick Mahomes also.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If that's the case, why not just wait till the season over?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know, but maybe he. Maybe he wants. I. I don't know. You can't ask me. Maybe he wants to. To not. Not be sitting around on the. On the sideline or be sitting around at home and he just wants to work. He wants to do something. But I'm sure if an opportunity going to present itself, it would be with the Chiefs, probably not anywhere else. Just being honest because you know how, you know how that coaching thing is, the coaching thing in general. The friends always continue to make sure each other have jobs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Always.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Always. So if Eric B. Enemy is going to get a job again in NFL, it will probably be with the Chiefs at some point. If there's room, there's always room. Because they. They can change the. They can change the name or what they identify you as. Yeah. They always feel you in some type of spot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, I'm glad I don't want to be a coach because I know I can get me a job. Cause The Shanahan's got two. Got too many on that coaching tree. You got LaFleur, you got McVeigh, you got O'Connell, you got McDaniel, and you got Shanahan. I can get something. I can get me an analyst. I can get something. Tight end, coach, assistant to the head coach. I get me a job. Yeah, I'm good. I ain't trying to put in them kind of hours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because I know the kind of hours I put in as A player studying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the coaches is worse now. The coaches is worse.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta tell me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think about. I think about some of the teams. Let's think about the team this year, the teams that have a losing season. You know, the kind of hours coaches put in. I've seen it. I've seen Marvin, I've seen you, I've seen Bob Brikowski sit there all time tonight. I'm like, y'all ain't going home.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got pillows and they got blankets in there in the office.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Air mattresses. Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got game plan. They. They ain't going home.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got a game plan. Oh, my goodness. And then I think about this. I think about all the teams that are having losing seasons, like the Raiders or like the Giants, and I'm thinking about the coach staff. I'm thinking about the hours that they putting in. You're not seeing your family, not seeing your kids, you're not seeing your wife. And not only are you putting all those hours as a coach, then the goddamn record and the work you're putting in, the hours you're putting in is not reflective of it getting the goddamn results. Oh, hell no. Coach who? Man, I'd rather play Madden.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You gotta tell me nothing. I want no part of it. That's why I say when I was done with football, you exhaust all of that. I want no more parts of football. I'll talk about it. But as far as, like, put those kind of hours in to go in the wee hours at all time of the night? Oh, hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm good. I appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't mean, I don't mean to be rude, and it's not about the money, but coaching don't pay enough. I'm just telling you, not compared. Not compared. No disrespect. It don't pay enough. The hours you put in and the chances of you not getting the results for all the hours and work you put in, it ain't worth the pay. Unless you one of the big boys. Unless you're the Mike Thomas, you know, or unless you the Andy Reid's. You know, those that have been in are in great situations where you're going to consistently win over and over. You know, NFL owners, they got a three year grace. You only get a three year grace.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Up and move. And you don't win in those three years. Now you got to go. Now what you're supposed to do with your family.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Coaching is like being in the military, Ocho, or being a. Being a Pentecostal minister. You know, you go Ocho, you. You know you going to move. You know, it ain't no situation. Cause look at Coach Saban. As great as he was. Coach Saban was at Toledo. He was at lsu. He was at Miami Dolphins. He's at Alabama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As great as he was, he moved. Oh, let me take that back. He was the DC At Cleveland with Belichick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Belichick was there with Saban, too, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Coach Belichick was the head coach. Coach Saban was a D.C. yeah, but what about. What about these. What about these coaches, Ocho, that's been, you know, four, five, and then. Ain't no guarantee. Cause they might. You. The offensive court, they might fire you because office ain't looking good. They might fire the defensive corner because he not looking good. The DB coach, the linebacker coach, the D line. Oh, hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See what happened now? You. You make me uproot my family, all 50, 11 goddamn thousand of my goddamn kids.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's say I'm. I'm in wherever coaching. I'm off as a coordinator. I'm a head coach. And things ain't going well, you know, because I ain't got no goddamn quarterback. So I don. Want me to do. I don't have no quarterback. And without a quarterback, you're not gonna win no goddamn games. And you talk about the owner. Talking about you finna fire me? Finna fire. Who you think I'm gonna go tell my wife you fire me and we got up and moved back to Miami? Man. Nah. Run me. Run me. Run me my fade, yo. Run me my fade right here. Right here on the spot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the thing is, Ocho, we gotta swap him. You know why? You know why I couldn't coach Ocho? Because I really can't go out there and physically do nothing. All I can do is instill the training and the knowledge I can in the players, and it's out of my hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And I felt that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I felt that when you played, Ocho, you felt you could have some impact on the offense, that you could help. I felt I could have impact on offense and we could win the game. I can't do ish. I don't like giving up that kind of control. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the funny thing about Unk, you know exactly what to do. You can coach, you have the knowledge of it. So you're teaching, critiquing, trying to be technical from a standpoint so they don't get it wrong, so you can go out there and perform at your best. So I can get the most out of you. Based on what I know I'm giving it to you. This is what it should look like. You're going through film. You break it down, tapes. You got your game planning and they get out there and don't execute it. And they got you looking bad. Because players get coaches fired.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Players get coaches fired.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get himself cut, get the coach fired. Yep. And you want no part of that.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Xavier Leggett brought Raccoon to the locker room for everyone to try. I listen and I, I, I said I've never seen it like that. The way my grandmother and everybody that I know that, that I've ever seen prepare Raccoon. Normally they cut him up. They get a nice medium sized raccoon you don't want him too big. But look, you're gonna put him in vinegar anyway and soak him overnight. But anyway, so you're gonna chop him up. You're gonna get you a pan with aluminum foil. Y'all call it tinfoil. We call it aluminum foil. And you cut him up. Ocho, you get your bell peppers, you get your onion. You get you some celery. You put him down in there. Hey. Okay, you put that tinfoil over the top of him, and you let him stand in that oven for an hour or so. Probably about an hour, about 90 minutes, let him bake. Now, you want to put some barbecue sauce on him. Put that barbecue sauce on there. Slap his ass back in the oven for about another 15 minutes. Now you got some. I've never seen it like that with rice. I've never seen. I'm not saying you can't prepare it like that, but growing up, and I've seen a lot of people prepare it, I've never seen it prepared like that. Now, that's a side. Maybe that's a South Carolina thing. Maybe that's specific to that region.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know? But I've never seen it like that. Now, with squirrel, I've seen it squirrel fried, smother fried. I've never seen squirrel baked. I've only seen it fried and smother fried raccoon, I've only seen it baked. I've never seen it like chicken and rice. It's almost like. Cause it looked like he had it with rice, right? But I've never seen it like that. And I'm not saying you can't eat it like that. But my grandmother. All the times I saw my grandmother prepared, my great grandma prepared, my aunts prepared, my sister prepared. I've never seen it prepared like that. Now, I don't. I'm not saying I wouldn't eat it. I'll try it just to see what it tastes like. But I know the way that I've eaten it growing up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that way better. I can already tell. But that doesn't mean it's all. It almost. It almost looked like Boudin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who like Boudin?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boudin, Booty. Nah, Bohet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. I didn't make this up. Okay, okay. You got it. You gotta pronounce.

[Chad Ochocinco]

B, O, U, D, I, N. Boudin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I thought you were talking about something else. Okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So. But hey, hey, like I said, it's been a while, but I tried. I mean, I didn't try, you know, Look, Guys, you have to understand when you grow up. And. And I think his situation is kind of similar to mine. He probably didn't have a whole lot. Guys, you're not getting no ribs. You're not getting. I was just talking to my sister the other night. Ocho, we got fried chicken on Sunday. That's the only time I've ever eaten fried chicken. I've never had fried chicken on a Monday or two. Now, if it was left over, my grandmother was gonna smother fry it. You gonna get that flour with water and make and smother fry it. But on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I never had fried chicken on those days unless you got it from us. Like the hen house. That was the place after I had graduated and went off to college. They had what they call a crispy chick. But as far as eating at home, we didn't get that. You got chitlins, you got raccoons. Somebody come by, hey, boys, y'all want a raccoon? All they wanted was the hide, the fur, so they'd already have the raccoon cased out, or that's what they call it when they take the hide off. Ocho had him bust down, but they make you leave a foot on him. So you could tell that's not a puppy, that's a raccoon. So he would already. He would already be dressed by the time you get him. That's what they call it when they gutting him. Take the head off. Take the fur off, they call it. And they have it. Hey, boys, y'all. Yeah, we'll take it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They call it a bust down. Like a bust down. Like he busted.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they've. When they've already got the hide off him, they take them. They take the hide off him. Because that's the only. That's really the only valuable part that the. The trappers won't. Because they trap them. You trap them, or you get dogs to go hunt them and tree them. So you had a black and tan, you had red bones, you had blue ticks, you had bloodhounds, you had tree and walker. You had dogs that go hunt. And so you turn the dogs loose, and after a while, you hear them, they got some trees. Now you go, hey, you get your rifle because you couldn't shoot it with a shotgun because you messed the hide up. So what you want is a.22 rifle, small caliber, hit him in his head, boom. You don't puncture the fur to hide. So that's. Now a squirrel. Ain't no Value. Ain't no value in the squirrel hide. So you a raccoon, I mean, a squirrel. You use shotgun, a.410, 12 gauge. 10. Whatever the case may be, you get that, you know you hurt quail, you know, you use bird shot, right? Something that spray. Because, because once you hit a flock of them, they're gonna scare the hell out you. But they gone, so you gotta, you gotta, you know, turn and fire. So you want shots that spread, right? Now, if you hunting deer, you use a shotgun, but you're gonna use, you know, you might use a slug or you might use buckshot, but you don't care.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, you got to be close enough. How you gonna use a shotgun on a deer? You gotta, you know how close you got to get for that to hit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But a lot of times people hunt from a stand. So you up in the tree stage or you use a. 30, 30, 30 06, you know, you use rifles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And so now, huh, you know how.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To do the process of skinning? The process, it takes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My brother can. No, I was young. My brother, My brother watched my uncles do it, right? And so he would go hunting and. And he do it. He kill a cool. He come and case him out himself. Yeah, he could do it. Oh, yeah. My brother killed a deer, a eight point buck with a single shot rifle. Yeah, he came home, he came home running. He was huffing and puffing. My uncle didn't believe him. He said, he said, james, I killed a deer. He said, man, he said, what you killing with? He had a single shot rifle. Yeah, my uncle said, bro, you ain't killed no deer. He said, come on, let me show you went back there, man, we call hell dragging that deer out of there. They probably weighed, you know, 100, 150 pounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a big boy there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's a big boy, but that's what oo you ate those things. When you got hog, somebody might come home and they like Mary, we got. So they bring you the feet, they bring you the tail, they bring you the head. Now, oh, you thought you gonna get the rib, you thought you gonna get the shoulder, you got the hog maw, you got the chitlins, you got the heart, you got the liver, you got the feet, you got the tail, you got the head. You cut the ears off and you can make pig ear sandwiches. That's what you got with the cow. You got the tail, you got the tongue. You wasn't getting no good cuts of me. So what, y'all thought we was gonna Eat right now. Think about oxtail. Oxtail's a delicacy. No, no. People wouldn't eat oxtails like that back in the day. Not our counterparts. They eat it now. You can't be. You can't. You try to go into. You try to go to the soul food restaurant. They ordered up all the oxtails.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know how expensive oxtail is right now?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know how expensive they are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, stop playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but that's what you ate. But that's what you ate growing up. So you ate alligator. I don't know. Alligator, turtle. They look like they got. They got a. Got a tail like a little alligator. And they got the ridge on the back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So we. Hey, we catch them as big as a number, a number two watch. We call them wash tubs. Some people call them tin tubs. It all depends on where you grew up at. But if you're in the south, you know exactly what I'm talking about. A number two wash tub or tin tub as big as that at the bottom. You talk about something like 85, even £100. Oh, we coming. Oh, you coming home. My granddad was gonna cook you for sure. Even the soft shell turtles with the. Like I said, if you're from the south, you know exactly what I'm talking about. But, oh, yeah, I don't know what y'all thought we was gonna eat. You ate possum. You ate raccoon. I had a great uncle. He ate armadillo. But see, that's why I draw the line now, Ocho. I mean, I got some pride. Sometimes you just got to say no. Hey, like Cass said, sometimes you got to tell him no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's wrong with armadillo?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's wrong? Now, I tell you this, Ocho. Now, you talking about some pretty white meat. A possum got some of the prettiest white meat you see when you get him dressed right. But, hey, them old folks eat, tear him up. You think somebody's snapping. Hey, you think somebody's snapping their finger? That's lips popping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, but y'all, well, you better than me. You can have that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You know what? You ate it. What you gonna do? Like, look it. See?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I mean, I. Listen, if. If those my circumstances were like that, like you, then I wouldn't have no choice. But he didn't. I would be used to it. But the fact that I didn't grow up like that, the chances of me. Hey, either. Now, just to say I'm either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me tell you. Hey, my grandma ain't really telling what we eating? My grandma just set the plate on the table. You ain't gotta hear it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was up to you, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't gotta eat it, dude. Hey, Grant, I don't want this, okay? Do it out. Mayor Porter say do it out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There are people across the river. That's what they say across the river. That'd be overseas. They ain't got nothing to eat, my girl. Hey, chicken. You got the neck. You ate everything on the chicken. Oat yourself. The first and last part to get over the fence. The beak in the butt. You ain't eat the beak, but some people eat that little fatty part. If you're from the south again, you know what I'm talking about? That little fatty part. Like right there. People eat that right there. But you got the back. You ate the back. There ain't nothing. Chicken necks. You ate the gizzards. You ate the livers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, everybody want the breast and the wings. Who would have kicked? No, no, no, no, no, no. You better get them necks in them bags and get on up out of here. But I would. To make a long story short, Ocho, I definitely would try that raccoon. I would try it that way. Cause I've never had it that way. It'd be interesting to taste. But I know my sister had that thing. Hey, put that thing in that pan with them onion and celery and bell pepper. Cover that thing up that tenfold over it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, now. Now you got me hyped. Now, you. You talking about. You talking about. You talk about that guy that you just mentioned. Oxtails. I'm thinking about oxtails now. I'm thinking about two of my. Two of my.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got something. I got some in the freezer right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. See, I got me a mess up in the. I'm talking about. Look, sometimes. Sometimes you got to go to the butcher. Because at the butcher, they'll cut it like you want it. They begin. Sometimes you go to the store, they get them little ones. No, no, no. I want to think like fizz. I want to say like a fist.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Big boys.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I don't. See you don't come to Miami often, right? You remember Kayvon Webster? Kayvon Webster played LeBron. Kayvon got a spot out here, right? Real nice spot. Real nice spot called Smith and Webster. Now, when I go to Webster, I get the goddamn oxtail.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look like a goddamn fish. There's another spot, my homeboy out there in the city.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What do you got, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, he said the Goddamn oxtails and grits. You hear me? Oh, hey, called. I crave.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I love me some grits.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, you got, man, listen, you can get. You get the shrimp, the octave and the grits. You get the shrimp, you get them, you get. Get the waffle, get the pancake, you get the chicken.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I love some grits, man. If I go somewhere, if I go somewhere, I'm trying to find they got some grits, man. I love me some grits on Joe. Now, if I go to a soul food restaurant, I'm looking up there. If they got oxtail, I'm probably gonna get dog's tail. But if they got neck bones, I'm probably gonna try the neck bone. If they got pork chop fried or some other fried. I will get those turkey wings. Okay, how you got the turkey? I'm gonna get that. You got some dressing. Probably go get that too. I like to go. And I might not have but a bite or two bites of. But I want to try it all. That's. I am.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. Hey, listen. Oh, man. God. Now you got. That's what. That's in the morning. That's what I'm going. See, you done amped me up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm going in the morning. Yeah. I'm going to give me some oxtails and grits in the morning.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, I love. I love some grits. Grits and eggs. Bacon. Woo. Oh, check this out. NFL viewership of Christmas Day game peaked at 27 million during the Beyonce halftime performance for the Texans Ravens NFL game cast reached a record breaking 65 million viewers in the U.S. i know LeBron said. Hey, I know LeBron said he loved NFL football, but Christopher belonged to basketball. No, it don't. No, it don't. You could take Jackson, you could take Jacksonville, the Giants, and put them on Thursday and you put them on head to head against any NBA game and they'll outdraw. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. For one, it's not for one with the NBA. It ain't goddamn playoff time. Let's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't care if it's playoff time. Ain't nothing touching. Ain't nothing touching the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Hey, so what was the viewers when Beyonce was performing?

[Chad Ochocinco]

27 million at halftime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, listen, man, she did her thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Too now cowboy Carter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you ain't got to tell me. You ain't got to tell me. You gotta remember now, I used to be a backup dancer for Beyonce about 10 years ago, so I already know what she could do. So I understood what the performance was gonna look like 27 million. That ain't nothing for Beyonce. You hear me? We talk about the greatest performer. We talk about the greatest live performer since Michael Jackson, and anybody want to argue, we could argue about that. Now, there are other great performers and entertainers out there, but we talk about the greatest of all time outside of Michael Jackson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The thing that I love about Beyonce, Ocho, is I know what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get consistency every time. She gonna give me two hours and it's gonna be non stop, and it's gonna be. It's gonna. She gonna do what she do every time. Every. That's all. That's all I can ask for. I don't care if you see her in Sweden. I don't care if you see it in the staples. I don't. Wait, she can't do staples. I don't care if you see at Sofi. I. I don't care if you see a Mercedes Benz dome. I don't care if you see at Caesars in New Orleans. I don't care where you see this woman. I know what I'm going to get when I see Beyonce knows Carter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what the problem is? You know the problem. Another problem. Most of the time, it don't matter how much Beyonce tickets cost. It don't matter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because it's worth the price of fucking admission.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know what you're getting? You ain't just getting Beyonce, you getting. It's all about an experience. It's an experience. It's an experience that you're gonna be able to talk to years from now. You'll be able to tell your grandkids about. Yeah, When Michael Vick played in Atlanta, it wasn't about no football game, man. Experience.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you go watch Beyonce, it's an experience.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Understand it. Watching videos on Twitter, you won't understand it watching videos.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got to see her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to see him in person to understand what it's all about. And until you do that, you'll never get it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I wish. I wish. Of all things I could have done, I could have seen Janet when she was at her height. Because a lot of people tell me Janet did was in her bag. We know, Michael. Look, and this is not a disrespect on anybody, but until somebody can come out on stage and don't move a muscle for 13 to 15 minutes and people start fainting, don't talk to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't talk to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know, I had. I Had a few faint over me in kindergarten. Now. Yeah, don't put that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But Beyonce. Look, I know what I'm going to get, and that's what you. That's what you hope for with anything. You hope for consistency. And she did her thing last night. Cowboy Carter. I didn't know a whole lot of her song. I mean, I know, like, a few of her songs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know the routine. Yeah, I know, man. Stop playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When they brought out. What you call it, when she brought out a daughter. I like to see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know. I know the whole routine. Shoot. You talking about. Come on, man. Cowboy Osho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's being reported that Beyonce was paid $20 million to perform the Netflix halftime show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Worthy of it. Worthy of every penny and the change.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And she want to show. I mean, look at all. Look. I mean, look at all the people, all the dancers. I don't know if that was that Texas Southern band that she had most of the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. I think it is Texas Southern band.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it's like local. Local band. Hey, they did their thing. They all in the Cowboys. Hey, hey. She did what she did. She did what she did. Did what she's supposed to do. Did what I expect when I see Beyonce. She was. She was sensational. That's what I mean. Sometimes I go back and I was like, man, I wish I could have saw, like I said, had an opportunity to see Prince, but I thought the tickets that were like 120, $150, they was being scalped for 3,000. And I was like, man, that's too much. And that was like a Friday that he performed, and then the following week he was dead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

And so you're never gonna see that. Never gonna see a guy. And they got opportunity to see Michael because by the time I had money to probably go see Michael, he wasn't touring like that. He wasn't. I mean, I had uncles and them and aunts that saw the Jackson 5 when they came to the civic center. That was in the 70s. But, you know, but I've seen Bruno. But you know what, Ocho, to be honest, I like to sit down and chill. I like to go see. I like to go see, like, I saw. See Earth, Wind and Fire, and I saw Paul and oh, and I saw India, I Reid and I see. Yeah, I saw Frankie Bamberry and Maze. I saw ndr. I saw Seal. You know, I saw Boony James.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got one more for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've seen Lenny Kravitz in person. I mean, in concert a few times. Lenny Kravitz.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I just saw him. We just saw him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please tell me you saw Anthony Hamilton in concert, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what? Anthony and I, we DM a lot been. I've been trying to get. Get be somewhere where he's close because I want to see him. But I did see Lenny Kravitz in cans. He was performing at an event, whether it might have been Google or YouTube. And he was. He was performing. So I did see Lenny Kravitz.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anthony Hamilton's nice. Wait. Music Soul Child.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I rolled. I rolled down the plane with music Soul Child, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I, you know, now my thing is like, to go back and like all the big bands, the Ocho that I grew up, the Ohio Players, the Bar ks, the Stylistics, Lakeside, Heat, Wave, Ohio Players. I've seen what's the. What's the group? Earth, Wind and Fire. I've seen them about four or five times. Yeah, I want to, like, go back and see the thing. What, like what? I grew up on Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, music could never be the same like that again.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, they don't know. No, I mean, look, Maxwell, now you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maxwell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've seen Maxwell probably like eight times. Yeah, man. When that joker take them, you know, he got them. He take them here, man. When he take them things out of here. Old show just. And just get on, boy. Lord have mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Max. Nice. But Maxwell and D'Angelo had a nice little run, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Timeless music Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Check this out. Miami head coach Jim Laranega resigns midseason amid. Amid nil disputes. Jim Larnega on when the turning point for him towards retirement. After we went to the 2023 final four, eight players wanted to transfer or seek better nil deals. They told me they loved it at Miami, but wanted to seek better deals. Laronago told reporters he felt he couldn't successfully navigate the whole new world that I was dealing with. The university needs a new leader of the program, one who's both adept at and embracing the new world of college inter athletic intercollegiate athletics.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jordan, the pressure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pressure bus pipes, you know, either you gonna play or you're gonna fold. Either you're gonna play or you're gonna fold. And understand the landscape of the way things are now in college, in college football, basketball, whatever it is that you do play, in order to compete, you gotta play to win. You gotta pay. You gotta pay to win. That's just the way it is right now. And you can't quit. You can't quit. You can't. You get in the field, and you do what's necessary to put together a competitive program.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But how many times have coaches gone to the national championship game or had an outstanding season and the college go to them, give them a new deal, and none of the players quit. Now the players get a little bit bread. They want some money. They want their fair share. Nah, I can't navigate it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, so damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't so fun when the rabbit got the gun, huh? Yeah, it's different. It's different now you got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta actually do some goddamn work. Yeah, it's dead. Yeah, it's different.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you see what happens, Ocho? There's an African proverb that says, until the lion learns how to write, the hunter will always be glorified. Until he can write his own story, we gonna always glorify the hunter. Now, all of a sudden, the lions have learned to write, which is the student. Which is the student athletes. They're learning to write. And now all of a sudden.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a good one. That's a good one. Now that would. That was nasty. Hey, chat. Somebody in the chat send me that. That exact quote. Just tweet it to me real quick. Yeah, I'm gonna say that for later.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you'll use that one. O. Joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm use that one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You remember it? You remember it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, the chat. The chat gonna remember it for me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Until the lion learns how to write, the hunter will always be glorified. Oh, so check this out. Scientists predict women will be having more sex with robots than men. By 2050, I won't know nothing about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I sure won't either, because I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Won'T know nothing about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna be in the upper room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I won't know a thing about it. Ain't no sense to be lying to you. And besides, by the time I get that age, it won't work anyway, so it won't matter. But that's the only way I'm gonna quit. I ain't gonna quit till it quit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

2050. How. How will I be in 2050?

[Chad Ochocinco]

It all depends what you. What, you 44 now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

46?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Are you 46 now? So you add 25 years to that, Ocho. Oh, you're gonna be 71.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not. Not knocking them. I'm knocking her down. Excuse me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know. Oh, oh, Shea O'Shea B. Hey, boy, we had a good run, you know what I'm saying? Oh, joke. But we had. Hey. Oh, she had to hang it up. Hey, hey. All I would do is all you. Because at that point in time, would I be, you know, hey, I'll be 25. I'll be 81.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So at that point, time, Ocho ain't number memories. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you'd be good 81 because.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, ain't no going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. I don't even know a row. I don't even know a row could help me by then. Yeah, I. I don't know. The more road, the most sparks to help your boy by the end, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotta understand, by the time 20, 20, 50 get here, you have to understand that the advancement in technologies to help men in that. In that specific area.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm either iv. I need that thing to go right into my vein. I'll be in that wheelchair. Oh, I'll be in that one. Come here. Come on. Come on. Come on, now. Don't go. Dang. Come here now. Oh, hey, my daughter gonna have to come get there. You gonna say, call my daughter, say, you have to come get your father.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but my kid. My kid better not put me in no home, boy. They put me at home when I. When I get old. But whoever. Whoever now, whoever in that home. And that. That. What is not. Not hospital?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, it's. It's assisted. Assisted living facility.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Assisted living. Boy, I'm running through everything in that bitch, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's what I'm telling you. They gonna have to come get. Hey, you have to come get your daddy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. All right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey there.

[Michael Lewis]

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[Justin Pennik]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, O. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that goddamn nap. That, that damn nap. Wonders one got delicious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

King Goan said unc and OO I'm tired. The Bears only need to fire everyone from the gym to the entire coaching staff. If they, if they were. If they were up there burning fries in the concession stands, they would fire them, too. I'm tired. Hashtag, bear down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know how you feel.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, well, Joe, you know, look, at the end of the day, look, there's gonna be wholesale changes. They're bringing in a new staff. And you know what happens when you bring in. When you bring, you know, the head coach gone, everybody's gonna be gone. So they're bringing an entire new staff. You probably should have did that last year once you got rid of. Once you got rid of Justin Fields and you had. So you should have had somebody else coach Caleb Williams because you saw a lot of the. What happened with Justin Fields. You saw that happen to Caleb Williams. And so I just think at this point in time, yeah, obviously you're gonna make a lot of changes and anytime, you know, coaching staff comes in, he's going to get his players. So you're gonna have some turnover there. But King, I don't think you're gonna have that problem. I think they're going to be a lot of. I don't know if the GM is going to be gone, but the head, obviously the head coach, they're already on the interim head coach and he hasn't done anything to warrant keeping that job. But they're going to be a lot of changes going on. Xx Coach sanity. The Bears haven't been the same since they fired Lovey Smith after 2012. Season. Fresh. Hot. You're right. They fired. What would the Bears give right now to be 10 and six, man, listen, they fired that man after a 10, six season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know. You know how they. Man, let me stop.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sometimes a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it. You did everything you possibly could after the man went 10 and 6 to try to improve, and guess what? You did. You met your Destiny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sometimes, Ocho, a man can make his destiny on the very road he took to avoid it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's that's day. That's two in a row there for uncle no show.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Could tonight games be one of the worst of all time over the last few seasons. Boy, can you imagine if they had that game on Christmas? I thought they'd be Grinch bad. Please. That was a bad game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that was the best.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Six to three. First of all, look, you know at first, at this point in time of the season in Chicago, you kind of. The weather is going to be bad. You know that, Ocho. This Chicago, this the Midwest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You probably thought you was going to get snow. But worse than snow is cold ass. Excuse me, Cold ass rain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, Seattle shouldn't have no problem with that because what you think Seattle get half the time? Oh, Ray rain.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep, we did. We had a great Christmas. Elijah, hope you had a great Christmas also, bro. Hope you love the Bears. Bears did everything to lose this game for the draft. Capital is still nearly one. If I'm Seattle, I'm worried about heading into the playoff. No, I'm not, because guess what? I'm trying to win. I'm headed to the playoffs. Bears going home. The Bears are bad. I mean, ain't no way around it. They're bad. They're not a well coached football team. I think they got great players that's not coached very well. They make a lot of mistakes. What then the guy jump offside. They had it fourth and something and the guy jumps offside like, bro, what the hell? Oh, Filthy McNasty. Happy holidays, Uncle Nocho. Staff in the chat question, what are your I'm here moments in the NFL career? Thank you for all you do. Keep. Keep spelling, Ocho. Fly, eagle fly. Catching a touchdown in Kansas City. My first game. I got an opportunity to play, really got an opportunity to play. Started, split me out wide, caught a touchdown on Kroc, had gone to the Pro Bowl. I belong. I belong. I knew I belong. I knew I could make a damn good living. Now once they moved me to tight end and you know all my teammates. Dennis Smith, who was one of the great safety, he's in the ring of fame. Carl Mecklenburg, Simon Fletcher, all them guys said, man, you can make the Pro Bowl. I'm like, huh? Like, ain't no tight end can move like you, I guess. Hey, I thank Wayne Philip for that because I was the biggest wide receiver and so I played tight end on the scout team. Ocho. Yeah. Cooking, cooking, man. I'm Talking about I'm a combination of Jamar Chase, Travis Kelsey. Oh, I'm them rolled up into one. I'm catching the ball, putting the ball in the woods, scoring touchdowns, spiking. I'm doing everything I'm talking about. I'm cooking everybody. Yeah. Ain't nobody had no chance. Wayne Phillips blew that whistle. Say, Dan put his ass in the game and let's see if they can cover him because we can't right next week in the game. So, yeah, that was. That was. But it was actually it once I got in the game because I had been, you know, was making plays. But once I got in the game, Ocho, and caught a touchdown on a proven player. Yeah, man, you couldn't hit me in the ass with a red apple. I belonged. I belonged. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think my belonging moment once I kind of. Kind of figured it out was obviously my first touchdown. Never forget against the Chargers, Rodney Harrison and the DDP played for the Miami Hurricanes. Ryan McNeil. My first touchdown was on Ryan McNeil. And once I got. Once I caught that touchdown on him, once my confidence got there and said, okay, I just settled in a little bit. But that was all she wrote. By the time I got to the middle of year two and I started talking a little bit and I figured it out, Boy, it wasn't. But, hell, for the next nine years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Tamika, Jason, Uncon. Ocho, what can my Saints do to get back to winning next season? Man, y'all didn't do for a major overhaul. Y'all got a lot of guys making a lot of money that's not producing. You gotta keep your quarterback healthy. He has to play with more consistency. And that's kind of been Derek Carr. He plays great sometimes. And then you like, bro, have you ever seen a foot or a ball? But they. They got. They look, it's not good, man. They not Ocho. I think for them is that they, like, they had Drew and they kept going for it, and they didn't re really, like, replenish the roster. And so they got some older guys now they gotta have to make some decisions because they got some guys that's making a lot of money, Ocho, that's not giving them a lot of production. They gonna answer the tech pay cut or move along. Drew said, ocho, will you cover your betting tab with Unc if you sign a picture I got I gotta use for my late. Oh, I'll cover the betting tab if you sign the picture I got of you and my late father. Unfortunately, I'm not gonna Let you do that, Drew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you don't. You ain't got me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna see you in New Orleans, boy. I'ma see you in New Orleans.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see me all the time. Ain't broke bread yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't seen you yet.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Drew said the homie Zay recently brought a bingo cat named. Oh, named him Ocho. Can I give y'all Zay and his cat Ocho a shout out? Yes. Zay, what up? Got a cat named Ocho. A bingo cat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that. I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You like cats.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I like it. I can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like it. And they be purring me out. Yeah, I like them. I don't know about what you're talking about, but. Yes, I do. Sure do. Sure do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like. I like. I'm talking about the specific cat that he's talking about. I don't like cats. Like domesticated cat. I like bangle cat, tiger, cats.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, I like cat. I like kitty cat. You know what I'm talking about? Not what I'm talking about. I don't know what you talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I ain't. I ain't trying to get in no trouble, but I hear what you're talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know. I know. Aaron Owen says I've been a historian of the NFL since I was 11. I love the game. It's what I like to be. Ray Nisky lunching and the room with the best of the best. I wish I could experience that. Yes. Unbelievable feeling. The Ray Nitsky lunch at Ocho is that. That's the first time that all of us, all the hall of Famers are in there. And the hall of Famers, the new guys that's going in, they don't speak. But the veteran guys that are in the hall of Fame, they tell you what's expected of you once you become a member. So you look around, obviously, you take the picture. You take the photo first. And so you looking around. Cause you're in the front, and you look around and you see Joe Green. You see lt, and you see this one? You see that one? You like. Damn. I grew up watching them. How?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a great feeling, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This one and that one. I'm talking about the greats of the greats, right? And you. Like, I'm in this room. That must be mean. Yeah, boy. That's. That's an unbelievable experience. And then to go back in that room the following years, and then you get an opportunity to speak, and the other. And the incoming the rookies. Listen to what you have to say, bro. It's a great feeling. It is an unbelievable feeling. It's unbelievable honor to be in that room, Ocho. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Guys, please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that, like, button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. I don't really need to tell you who I am, but I will. I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp. That guy is the Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame honoree, the Pro bowl of it all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And every subscriber counts. We thank you for your support. You guys showed up for us even after this game when there are a lot of things you could have been doing, like watching paint dry, watching a worm fight. Well, hey, even. Hey, hey, even for the last time, maybe go get some leftover. But you chose to come and share it with Ocho and I, and we greatly, greatly appreciate that. Make sure you go check out Shave by La Portier. We have it in stock. The holidays are here. What better way to celebrate than with a bottle of Shea by La Portier. And unfortunately, if you cannot find it in a city or state near you, just order it and we'll ship it right to you. And do me one more favor, please, Drake, responsibly. Go check out my media company page on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out. We had our latest drop just last month with shirts and sweats, as well as stocking stuffers such as beanies, koozies and mugs. Quantities are limited, so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Everyone receiving their orders, hopefully you got Monday. Tuesday, obviously, Wednesday was the holiday, Thursday and Friday, so hopefully everybody will have their shipment to them by Friday. Let us know that you received your order and what you think of the merchandise that you ordered. Tickets for the super bowl show in New Orleans, our first spring tour stop. On sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. February 6th in New Orleans. Be there. Great lineup of guests. You don't want to miss it. We've been nominated for two sports casts, two sports podcast awards, the Best American Football Podcast and the best Sports Comedy Podcast. Please make sure you go vote. Give us a vote for us. And the link is at the chat pin, on our social pages and in all of our social bios. We'll see y'all Saturday night. Can't wait to see you Saturday night. And one very interesting but hey, we got to say it again. The Seahawks beat the Bears by the score of 6:3. Half a game back of the Los Angeles Rams. The Rams are at home the final two games. They get the Cardinals on Sunday and then the following week they played Seattle with with the winner. Hey, take it Going winning on so Seahawks win 63 with a chance to stay stay right behind the Los Angeles Rams. The Rams played the Cardinals on Sunday and then followed up with the Seahawks. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you Saturday after the game. The Volume.

[Michael Lewis]

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[Justin Pennik]

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