Nightcap Hour 2: CFP Championship + Jameis Winston QB1 in NY + Jaire Alexander STEPS AWAY from Eagles + Nico Harrison OUT in DALLAS + Klay Thompson BAMBOOZLED by Mavs + Morris Twins VS Jokic Brothers

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2 – CFP Championship, Jameis Winston in NY, Jaire Alexander Steps Away, Dallas Drama, Klay Thompson Bamboozled & NBA Brawls

Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-Hosts: Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson

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Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 2 brings Shannon Sharpe together with Chad Ochocinco and Joe Johnson for a whirlwind discussion on the latest headlines spanning the NFL, NBA, and beyond. From quarterback drama with Jameis Winston in NY, through NBA front office shakeups and Klay Thompson's unexpected trade circumstance, the trio offers candid insights, humor, and sharp analysis. The episode wraps with talk of in-game intensity, player mindsets, memorable on-field stories, and a call for holiday giving.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jameis Winston as Giants QB1

[03:46 – 10:13]

• Giants’ interim coach Mike Kafka starts Jameis Winston over Russell Wilson as Jackson Dart recovers from injury.
• The group debates the volatility and excitement Winston brings:
  • Chad Ochocinco: “They want to see what Jame can get in there and do... He can have flashes of brilliance... all we need is a little consistency.” (04:16–04:36)
  • Shannon: “He’s been turnover-prone far too much... Tremendous highs, incredible lows. So he just has to find a way to be consistent.” (05:31–06:08)
  • They agree: while playoff hopes are slim, Winston’s unpredictability will be must-watch.

2. Handling Guests with Speech Impediments & Coaching On-Air

[07:31 – 09:27]

• Shannon shares his intentional approach to interviewing guests like KC Conception, who has a speech impediment.
  • “I said, let me get him comfortable... talk about things that he likes. Once we got him comfortable... you couldn’t even tell.” (08:17–08:33)
• They reflect on the challenges of ensuring guests feel included, noting the importance of patience and empathy.

3. Jaire Alexander Steps Away from Football

[14:12 – 22:03]

• Eagles’ DB Jaire Alexander, after being traded from Baltimore, steps away from the game at 28.
• Discussion of mental and physical toll:
  • Chad: “If he needs to step away... so be it. That does come first. Football comes second to whatever you have going on.” (15:08–15:38)
  • Shannon: “If the mind ain’t right, the grind can’t be tight.” (17:15)
• They reminisce about the grind of professional sports and the struggle to meet expectations when physically diminished.

4. Dallas Mavericks: Nico Harrison Out & the Luka Move

[26:11 – 41:58]

• Mark Cuban dissatisfied with front office decisions, especially trading Luka Doncic.
• Joe Johnson: Shares personal connection to Nico Harrison and sympathizes with his tough situation amid star injuries (Kyrie and AD both out).
  • “Nico was my Brand Jordan rep... what he didn’t anticipate is Kyrie getting hurt, AD getting hurt...” (27:06–27:32)
• Ochocinco and Shannon question how Harrison became the “fall guy” for organizational decisions.
  • Ochocinco: “He’s a generational talent... I don’t even know basketball like you and Joe and I can… Luka, Luca.” (30:01–30:23)
  • Shannon: “Nico made the suggestion. But the owner had the final say.” (31:31–32:17)
• Debate on star management and the perils of relying on injury-prone players.

5. Klay Thompson’s “Bamboozling” & Role in Dallas

[44:53 – 48:00]

• Klay Thompson leaves money on the table (turns down Lakers’ $80M offer) to team up with Luka and Kyrie, only for Luka to be traded away.
• Shannon: “The allure of Luka’s greatness was a major pull... little did he know the star player was swapped.” (44:53–45:02)
• They note how injuries (Kyrie, AD) and rookie backcourt issues have left Klay in a tough spot.

6. NBA Street Fight: Morris Twins vs. Jokic Brothers

[54:28 – 57:48]

• Reacting to Paul Pierce’s claim he’d take the Morris twins over the Jokic brothers:
  • Ochocinco and Joe Johnson discuss size, MMA training, and street-fight mentality.
  • Chad: “Anybody with any kind of combat training… gives them an advantage over any regular civilian, I think.” (55:08–55:22)
• Anecdotes about sparring with professional fighters.

7. Market Realities: Pelicans and the NBA’s Future in New Orleans

[60:00 – 62:44]

• DeMarcus Cousins says Pelicans should relocate due to poor attendance.
• Ochocinco argues that winning is the cure for attendance woes, while Shannon notes it’s tough to retain stars in small markets.

8. NBA All-Star Game New Format

[63:10 – 66:12]

• New three-team All-Star format: Two with American players, one all-international.
• All agree: International squad (Luka, Jokic, Giannis, Wemby, SGA) would dominate.
  • Shannon: “Your top five players are all international. Tell me an American player that’s better than the five that I just named. I’ll wait.” (64:34–64:43)
• Joe says big incentives may be needed to revive player effort and public interest.

9. The Decline in All-Star and Pro Bowl Intensity

[66:13 – 71:13]

• The trio expresses nostalgia for more competitive All-Star/Pro Bowl games.
• Shannon: “Now, it ain't even Hawaii no more, so it ain't no fun.”
• Discussion on changes in athlete motivation and the cultural shift in how these games are approached.

10. Community Giving and Friendship Banter

[48:17 – 53:02]

• ISO Joe’s foundation is running a Thanksgiving drive: $40 feeds 10 people.
  • Shannon pledges $10K: “Hell, if $40 can feed 10, I don’t know how many... I want people to have a festive Thanksgiving.” (49:32–49:58)
• Banter between hosts about matching donations and owed money.

11. Q&A and Listener Interaction

[72:02 – End]

• Covering favorite NASCAR drivers (Jeff Gordon, Dale Earnhardt), the state of rookie quarterbacks, NFL positional analysis, and travel stories.
• Discussion on price of cigarettes as nostalgia for past decades weaves into the conversation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Jameis Winston's Starting Opportunity

• “I know one thing about this move. It’s gonna be exciting ‘cause ain’t no telling what the hell gonna happen. No, anytime Jameis is in there ain't no telling. And I can't wait.” – Chad, 06:33

On Front Office Blame in Dallas

• “Nico made the suggestion. But the owner had the final say. You don’t get to say yes and mean no... If you sign off on it, you gotta own it.” – Shannon, 31:31

On Mindset and Physical Strain in Sports

• “If the mind ain’t right, the grind can’t be tight. That’s what pro sports is. It’s a grind.” – Shannon, 17:15

On All-Star Games' Changing Nature

• “I sure wish I could go back and play again, Ocho. Yeah, man, but it ain’t even Hawaii no more, so it ain’t no fun.” – Shannon, 67:13

On International Players’ NBA Dominance

• “Your top five players are all international. Tell me an American player that’s better than the five that I just named. I’ll wait.” – Shannon, 64:34

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jameis Winston Takes Over in NY: [03:46 – 10:13]
• Interviewing Guests with Empathy: [07:31 – 09:27]
• Jaire Alexander Steps Away Discussion: [14:12 – 22:03]
• Dallas Mavericks GM Drama/Luka Trade: [26:11 – 41:58]
• Klay Thompson and Dallas Fallout: [44:53 – 48:00]
• Morris Twins vs. Jokic Brothers Debate: [54:28 – 57:48]
• Pelicans Relocation & Small Markets: [60:00 – 62:44]
• NBA All-Star Format Overhaul: [63:10 – 66:12]
• Pro Bowl and All-Star Nostalgia: [66:13 – 71:13]
• Holiday Giving Segment: [48:17 – 53:02]
• Listener Q&A and Banter: [72:02 – End]

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Tone and Flow

The episode features the signature blend of candid wisdom, friendly clowning, and honest analysis that defines Nightcap. The hosts’ camaraderie and real-life sporting storytelling keep things lively, while their willingness to discuss mental health and the realities of professional sports add a thoughtful layer.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a microcosm of Nightcap’s strengths: sharp takes on current sports drama, player-first perspective, and equal parts humor and vulnerability. You’ll leave with a deeper understanding of the human side of pro athletes—and plenty of locker-room laughs.

Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. You know. Hey, you know what's funny? Is it funny when you talk about the. The speech impediment thing? It's like I think. I don't think I have a speech impediment thing. I think I have a problem is I get anxious. Like when we talking. You notice how fast I start talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have a cursing thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Me.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. No, it ain't talking about me. You. Are you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't think cursing is the issue. I don't think. Is that a. Is there, is there a word for that? If you, if you curse a lot when you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I tell you off camera.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I do have a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I started talking fast. And then you know what I do? I don't know if you notice it. I say the same thing twice before I even start the sentence. Like I, I don't know. It's weird. It's like I get all anxious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Ocho gonna finally get a start. Giants interim head coach Mike Kafka revealed that Jameis Winston.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell Wilson will start as quarterback in Week 11 against the packers with Jackson dart on the sideline. Man Passover Russ, who was the start of the season then went to number two.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dark gets hurt. Russ goes to number. He's numbers two still.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James leapfrogs him. Oh, Joe. What. What. What do you, what do you think? What do you think about this?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think the coaches obviously in the interim coach and trying to get a spark, a spark out of the offense, they. They've seen enough. I'm assuming from Russell Wilson being the starter when Jackson Dart went in and then hearing the reaction from the crowd and, and the offense really not being able to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To.

[Chad Ochocinco]

To. To get going. They, they, they. They want something new. They want to see what Jameis was. Jame can get in there and do and see if they can have, you know, somewhat of a spark. We all know he is one that's liked by everybody and he can have flashes of brilliance on the field. The only thing with Jam Winston, all we need is a little consistency. Can we consistency out of you week in and week out and give us a chance. Listen, I think our playoff, their playoff chances are probably out the door. But can you keep. Keep our, keep us a. Keep our team and head above water and let us compete in know until the end of the season. Well, I'm sure Jack will come back. What, maybe what, in two weeks on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably so at least. I mean, he's going. Well, he's out this week. May. May, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they missed. Maybe give him two weeks, Ocho, because like I said, since the preseason, this is the fourth time now we know he's been checked for a concussion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So this is Jameson, first time getting, getting action during the season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. This is James, first time starting for the Giants. Yeah, I think, I think he played. He played a little bit. He played, I think one preseason game. He played in one preseason game, played really well. But like Ocho said, Jameis problem has always been consistent consistency. Look, he's the number one pick in the draft. He won the Heisman Trophy as a freshman. He led his team to a national championship. So we know he has the talent to play, but he's been turnover prone far too much. We don't. We saw last year he threw for almost 500 yards. But it was the turnovers that really, that really cost his team a victory.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tremendous highs, incredible lows. So he just has to find a way to be consistent. And if he can be consistent, that gives him a chance to be successful and it also gives his chance, his team a chance to be successful. Yeah, I want to say I'm surprised, but I don't, I don't. I don't think I am. I don't think I'm surprised by this move because, hey, I know one thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know one thing about this move. It's gonna be exciting because ain't no telling what the hell gonna happen. No, anytime James is in there ain't no telling. And I can't. I can't wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got the five and five. Yeah, nah, five touchdowns. Five and seven. Well, I was talking about when you left. I said if he just, if he's just consistent. Ocho, the man's the number one pick in the draft for a reason. He won a Heisman Trophy, let the team to a national champion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can throw that ball, boy.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Turn it over though, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're never going to be that great that you can overcome the amount of turnovers that he have. Remember last year, Ocho, what was that? A Thursday night game against the Broncos. He threw for damn near 500, but it was the pick six. It was the three turnovers that ended up undoing the great job that he had done. Remember, Jerry Judy goes back, has 235 yards receiving. He and James was. Was cutting up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then James, they started housing him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so we, the last guy we had on KC conception, and there are some people in the chat kind of making fun of him. They're like, man, let everybody else talk in a situation like that. I had already gotten brief that he has a speech impediment. And when he gets nervous or he gets anxious, he stutters. Stutters. So that's why you heard him repeat himself a lot. But, but if you notice, Ocho, when we first started, he gave us one word answers and go, yeah. And so instead of going, let you ask them something. Let Joe ask something. I said, let me, let me get him comfortable. Let me get him relaxed. Once he gets relaxed, he'll slow down, he'll feel more comfortable because. Right. Every time he talks, he thinks people are judging him. So if you think somebody's judging him, what you gonna do? I'm not gonna talk. I'm be reclusive.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say one. I'm gonna say as little as possible. Yeah, you're right. And then he gonna clam up. But if you notice, once we got him comfortable, we started talking about cooking. We started talking about things that he likes and he feel comfortable with. You see, I open up and you couldn't even tell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why we. I kind of took the approach that I took. And a lot of times, yeah, sometimes I'll let Ocho, because if it's somebody like, like I know Ocho knows, I'll let Ocho lead it off. But in this situation, I just felt instead of going back ping pong, you know, tennis and ping pong back and forth, I just felt, let me, let me get him comfortable. Somebody that had a speech impediment, still talks with a list, have a heavy, cloakal southern dialect. Let me make him comfortable and we can get him comfortable. We can get him to open up. Because it's hard to have an interview if a guy just continuously gives us one word answers. Right. That's kind of why the approach that we took, the approach that we took tonight with this gentleman. But he did great. Look forward for him to coming back. And once we started talking about, hey, he started cooking Valentine's Day. I just so hope you got done what you need to get done before you cook that. Are you putting them heavy potatoes and steak in the system?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

She going right to sleep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm not. Oh I can't say that I'm surprised that Jamis is getting the start because you know why Russ is not going to be there next year. They've already seen what Russ can do. Let's see if, let's see if Jameis can give us that spark. Cuz that's what Jackson Dart did. Jackson Dart came in and gave him a spark. Oo yeah, yeah. Now let's see. Let's see because they saw Russ come in and the offense just went in the tank. The defense went in the tank. Everything just went to hell in a hand basket. They said let's see if James can give us a spark like he like he's done so many times before. He did New Orleans for a while. He did it in Cleveland last year. So let's see if he can give us a spark.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh Joe Eagles quarterback Jahir Alexander has stepped away from football retirement as according to Diana Rossini, Alexander is 28, in his eighth professional season and his first away from the packers, the team that drafted him 18th out of Louisville in 2018. On November 1st, the Ravens traded Alexander and. Excuse me. And the 2027 seventh round pick to the Eagles for a 2026 sixth round pick. Alexander played just two games for Baltimore before being moved, tallying five tackles. Oo, what's, what's going on is, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Know, you know, injuries.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it desire? What, what, what, what, what do you think? Combination?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I'm, I'm gonna be honest with you. When it comes to someone that, that I, that I've always enjoyed watching like J. Alexander, understanding what he brings to the table as, as a defender, obviously, I think injuries have hampered his career a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It does.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And kind of derailed everything. So I don't know what's going on with him mentally, but it has to be something of that nature because getting the opportunity to play in the NFL and understanding that NFL stands for, not for long. You only get so much time, you know, and each year is so precious as years go by. It has to be something going wrong there. May it, maybe, maybe it's personal. Whatever it may be, I don't, I don't want to speculate, but if he needs to step away from the game to get his mind right, to get his personal issues right, then so be it. I see that fit because that does come first. Football comes second to whatever you have going on in your life. So I, I hope he rectified that situation, you know, expeditiously so he can get back on the field and we can get that same Jay Alexander we once saw down in Green Bay, because that, he's, he's a great talent. He's a great talent and a great fit for where he is now. So I hope he, I hope he comes back at some point and is able to contribute defensively when those boys make that playoff push.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What year, what year is this for him? How many years have been? Eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eight?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, he's only 28 years of age.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, DBS play a long time, Joe. They could play a long time if.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you got it. The thing is, as you start to get older, it's a, it's a mental grind because, you know, stuff, I mean, you know, you know coverages and, you know, you know how to study film. You understand down and distance, you understand position on the field, you understand, you know, you know, you understand tendencies, route combinations, wide receiver, how they lined up ocho. So, you know, all of that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But boy, this here got to be strong because it gets so monotonous. You hear the same thing. That's what really. You know, for me, that's what kind of drove me away, is that the monotony of it. I just could. If. Maybe if I went to a different offense and I had to apply myself, but. But he's dealing with a knee injury, and there's. Joe, you know this. Ocho, you ain't never been injured, so you don't. Joe, you know this. When you're injured, there ain't nothing, like. There's nothing worse than being injured and trying to go play and then play at a level that people are accustomed to you playing at.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if the mind ain't right, the grind can't be tight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that's what the NFL. That's what pro sports is. It's a grind. Yeah. And you hear. If you hear LeBron, LeBron, don't ever say anything about his body. He always talks about his mind. He said, as long as I can keep my mind sharp, I. I can play 23, 24, 25 season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Because some injuries pile up, bro. They pile up, and you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can't go out there and be the person who you, you know, you really want to be because of these injuries, these knickknacks that you may have, right? And it hinders your game, man. It hinders your game, and it takes love away. It takes the love away. It takes the love and passion away. And that's why a lot of guys retire early or they quit playing. It's not. It's not that they don't like football or basketball. It's because the grind has become too much.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially if you. Oo. If you're an elite player, see, if you. If you a special teams player or a player that, you know, you're the fourth corner, there ain't no expectations. But see, once you're here, like a penny. Hardway we got. We got penny up here. Like, man, I can't. Man, I can't do this. Yeah, you. You can't. John Alexander was an all Pro. He's a Pro bowl player. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm like, ocho, something ain't right. I told you. I said, oh, yo, something ain't right. You can look at him and tell. I'm like, man, I don't watch this, man. I watched this man come into the league. He's one of the better corners. He looked like a shell of himself.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when you watch yourself. If you watch yourself on Tape, because sometimes you might not know it until you see it. Because we get. A lot of times don't show people like, I ain't say that. I ain't say that. Ryan, the tape.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness, that's me. I said that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you don't see yourself play in real time. You got to go back and watch the tape. And you looking like.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Then film don't lie at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The reason why film don't lie, the film don't. Don't know how much money you making. It don't know if you black, if you white. You went to Notre Dame, you went to Savannah State. That all it does, it captures what is being focused on, man. What? And you can't. Man, I did this, I did that. Let me hit that rewind button. Tell me which one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? What? Oh, Joe. Joe, what did you. Oh, Joe, what did you say you did? Okay, here we go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, let's watch it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, it ain't nothing worse. It ain't nothing worse than at that game, boy. You get in there and coach got that clicker and he rewinding this same play and you. And you like, oh, my God. Yes, I like watching yourself on film, bro. And you look like some slouch stir fry out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Look, I used to be in the game thinking like, well, I cannot look like no trash on film tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't say anything. Joe, I ain't gonna miss my assignments. Yeah, we gotta win this game, cuz. If we lose this game, they gonna show this film. Lord, please let us. Hey, John, please make a play. Let us come back. Yeah, cuz, I don't want nobody to see. Boy, I was some. I was terrible. What? Hey, Shaw, what you doing this play? No, I. I think I got him. Nothing. Nothing. That's what Sean did on this play. I absolutely, totally nothing. That's what Sharp did. But. But it's tough. It is tough when you've been a. A really good player for a period of time and then injuries won't allow you to be that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't know you're injured. Let me tell you something else. They don't give a damn if you're injured. All they know is they see tweet, they see Alexander on the back of that jersey. They saw Johnson on the back of that jersey. They saw Ocho Cinco in the back of that jersey. They don't give a damn about you got an ankle or toe or knee or hip or back, they give the damn about that. You out there I'm expecting you to make the same plays that I've seen you make time and time again for the last five, 10 years. Make them now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Absolutely right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your teammates have the same expectations and they put that. Your teammates put that pressure on you. Hey, you. You go, hey, you'll be good to go Sunday, right? Damn, dude, it's Tuesday, man. Hey, hey. You know, hey. And then the coaches, you know, we gonna put the game playing now. We know we. We relying on you cause we got you in the game playing. Y' all ain't having the game plan before. I got her now. You got me in the game playing now, Ocho. Yeah, now I'm in the game plan. But it, it's tough. I. I've been in Jair's shoes where I've been injured and knowing I'm hurt. But all they see is 84 and they see sharp on the back of that jersey. Yep. That's what they see.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Expectations don't change. Oh Joe. It's safe to say a lot of people in Dallas wanted Nico Harrison out of the Mavericks general manager, including franchise former majority in the heat of battle.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

910457 Mark Cuban Mavericks owner Patrick Dumont reportedly did not make the decision on his own amid The Mavericks woeful 3 and 8 start to the 2025 season. DeMont reportedly lent an ear to to Cuban to hear his grievances about the organization. From the excerpt from the Athletic Cuban, who still owned 27 of the team, was known to be frustrated with Harrison for freezing him out after the sale and not consulting him on the choice to trade Luca. League sources said he made his case to Dumont over the last several months that Harrison was steering the franchise in the wrong direction. Cuban also reportedly in a closed door meeting with Dumont and team president Rick Welts the day before Harrison was pride, according to an NBA insider Mark Stein Ocho, yeah, let me, let Joe take this one. Joe, what you thinking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man? I think it's a, a tough situation for Nico. Nico is a guy who was once upon a time Uncle Ocho. He was my brand Jordan rep. Like if I need, if I needed anything, that's who I call. So I know Nico on a real personal level. What he didn't, what he didn't anticipate is obviously kyrie getting hurt. A.D. getting hurt, which I know A.D. got a history.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean you didn't just pay AD getting hurt?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He didn't. I mean he wasn't thinking that. He wasn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe. So let me get this straight. Your homeboy, he don't wreck 10 cars, you let him get your car? Man, I ain't. I sh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I Yeah, I think you're right. I think he was a little optimistic coming into the season. Like, man, understanding, you know, the backlash that we getting on Trey and Luca. Like I'm thinking, I bet he thought that AD was gonna come in the coming to camp in tip top shape and ready to go. That didn't happen. You got your two main guys, Kyrie, Terrace, acl. I mean this is the worst thing that could happen. This is the worst thing that could happen. So now you got Luke out here averaging 40 and the Mavericks best two players ain't even on the floor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct. And it's, it's. And considering like you said, kyrie gets hurt. AD's hurt is reported. It was reported that Nico was pushing for AD to come back from that calf. They're saying no because you could tear this Achilles a la Kevin Durant. So there's like no, no, no, no. Mark Cuban let it be known. He's like, look, I wouldn't have traded Luca, but at least if you're going to Trade him. Open it up. Let's see. Maybe we can get. I believe. He said, I believe we could have got more than what we got. And they could have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But I got a question, though. I got a question. Why are they acting like Nico was the only one who made this decision?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's the fall guy, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I know probably going into this, Nico probably understood his position in this. You know what I mean? But it's like everybody just pointing the finger at Nico, man. That's a. That's an organization. That man ain't just pulled the trigger. Yeah, he ain't just pulling no trigger. And was like, you know, let's just trade. Let's trade Luca.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like he, he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They had to meet with all this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Had 100 meetings, huh? You could have had 100 meetings. You could have had a hundred owners. You could have had a hundred gms. I don't think anybody makes that call. I don't think anybody makes that trade. I don't care what the hell he do off the court. I don't care what the hell he drinking after you win a game. I don't care. I don't care if you're £300. What do you do for me when you are on the court? What are you doing for me? What type of production are you putting up, whatever that may be. He's a generational talent. Talents like of that magnitude come around every so often. Every so often. I don't think if you put any regular civilian in a position that even if you don't know basketball. I don't even know basketball like you and Joe and I can. Luka, Luca. And you have me in a position of power. I ain't even trading him because I know what he brings to the table.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can see it, even if you don't enjoy the game of basketball. Oh, he's different. Oh, he gives me a chance. He just does. So now Nico's the fall guy. He's a fall guy because the green light has come from somewhere else. The green light has to come from somewhere else. And it's a power play that we don't understand that they do, because I think it's bigger than what it really is. It just hasn't come out yet. I still think it's bigger than what it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the end of the day, Joe, I don't know if you own any companies, but having here at Shay Shay Media, they make suggestions, right? I said, okay, let's do it. If it doesn't work, that's on me. Because they suggested I could have said no. Same thing with cj. Same thing with Ash. They make suggestions, okay? I go with it. Some work, some don't. That's on me because I got the final say. Okay. Nico made the suggestion.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

But the owner had the final say. You don't get to say. See, you can't say yes. It means no. Ted Cruz taught me that. He said a lot of times, people. People in Hollywood will say yes, but mean no, you can't do that. Do mind if you don't want to trade him, you can't say yes. And then he trades him and you like, no, it doesn't work like that. Right. And if you're in the leadership position, you the CEO. Yes. You have CEOs and VPs and so forth and so on. But if they. If they make a recommendation and it doesn't go through, they had to get signed off from you. If you sign off on it, you gotta own it. Matter of fact, matter of fact, everything is not gonna work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. The fact that it was even, even recommended, that's a fireable offense. The fact that it was even recommended, it was a fire viable offense. How. How are you going. How is you? You. How do you have your franchise going in the right direction by going backwards?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you gotta look at, look at it like this. They had Luca sitting out some games for some time last year for his cap, and they wanted. And they gave him extra time because they wanted him to lose some weight. Throughout that process, none of that was working. Like he wasn't losing weight, none of that was working. I think the fact that they see him every day, talk to him every day, understand his conditions and what he's going through, I think they just got fed up. If you just want me to be 100, I think they got fed up. And they didn't think. They didn't think it was going to get better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, they didn't think it was going to get better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what the owner said in February after the trade. If you look at the Grays in this league, people, you know, I grew up with Jordan Bird, Kobe, Shaq. They work really hard every day with a singular focus. And if you don't have that, it doesn't work. So you shouldn't be a part of the Mavericks. That's what he said.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, hey, listen, hold on, hold on, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You ain't gonna get that out and just go about your business. Huh? You ain't gonna get that out. You're not gonna sit here and tell me that he watched Jordan and all those names that he just named and saying they didn't work hard. You understand their. Their ability to work hard. The want to is one of the reasons for the success. So what's the reason that Luke was able to go out there and do what he does? Because it doesn't work hard. You don't just wake up and do what he's doing out the blue. That comes from actual work. That's hard work. There's really. He's still doing it now that he's gone. He's not doing what he's doing now because he lost no goddamn weight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was doing it when he was heavy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What are we talking about?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. I think. I think with him. I think with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I will respectfully say, Joe, he probably should have left Shaq off that list, but. Okay, go ahead.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think. I think by Luca hearing all this, you know, because I'm sure he's heard all the rumblers and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The weight loss, I think that obviously gave him a little fire going into the off season, which is why he lost a little weight. And he looks a lot slimmer coming into this season. And I think it's obviously helped him get off to this tremendous start that he's gotten off to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, you know, being in LA, 37 a game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Being.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, the. The market in LA is totally different from the market in Dallas now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They ain't putting up with all that. You know, they. They ain't got nothing but mega stars over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think the thing is, this was a wake up call for Luca because we sent shock waves around the NBA.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you could trade a guy that's been a five time all NBA selection five times in his first six years, ain't nobody untouchable. Yeah, you heard Yannis say it. Nobody's untouchable.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But this is. This is ownership because Nico Harrison is not making a move like this. It's just. It's just like. It's just like when you trade. When you trade, when you move up and you move up the draft. Ocho. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Kansas City, they were sitting at 17.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They zoom up to 10. So that means they gotta. They're gonna swap places with some. With Buffalo and they're gonna give Buffalo their next year. Their. Their 2019, 2018 first round pick. Okay. You got to get the ownership. You got to get Clark Hunt to sign off on that. Now. You can't. Clark Hunt can't then say if Mahomes didn't turn out the way he did. Well, you know. No, no. You gave them the green light to do this. If you didn't want to do it, don't do it. Everybody get mad at general managers and head coaches, and I get it. I understand. But when you make moves like that, Chicago moving up one spot and giving up next year's first round to get Mitchell Trubisky. They had to go to rest of Soul, Virginia McCaskey and get that signed off on. Ocho. Yeah, you don't. You just can't. You just can't make a move like that. Ain't no general manager. Hell, ain't even Pat Riley. He got to go to Mickey Aronson. I'm sure he going to Mick Aaron and say, look here, Mickey, now we. It gonna cause a little chunk of change now, but we can get LeBron and we can get Chris Bosh. Yeah, but it gonna cost us a little chunk of change now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Go, go, Go get it. But you said yes and you meant no. Well, it's too late. No returns, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, as is. Mark Cuban said at the time I wouldn't have traded him, Mark Cuban said if it came down to me getting divorced and keeping Luca. Well, it's been not nice on you, babe, but Luca ain't going nowhere.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, hey, I, I, I. There's really nothing else I can say about it. I mean, the fact that it was even recommended. Recommend who? If I was, If I was, If I was the owners over there in Dallas, I would, I would, I would have fired Nico for even recommending trading. I'm just being honest, you know? What you fired?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't say. I can't say. I. Disappointed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't say. I can't say you wrong for that, Ojo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I just think it's glaring right now because of how Luke was playing and how the Mavericks have kind of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus what you call not playing. AD's not playing. But like I said, I was Joe AD. If you really think about it, Ads had one healthy season. That's 2020 when they was in the bubble. And then what did they get in between that, Joe? A five month break.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, people forget about that Ocho. They shut it down in February.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So March, April, May, June, they didn't start playing. He got a five month break. Other than that it's been. It's his back, it's his shoulder, it's his calf, it's his ankle. So he has a history. AD's phenomenal. I'm not gonna take any away from him. He's a 75th anniversary. He's one of the 75. He was voted one of the 75 greatest players of all time. We used to have the discussion, who would you rather have, Boogie, Cousins or Anthony Davis? Just. That's how good Boogie was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boogie with nice boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he's had an injury history. That is not conjecture. That's not innuendo. That's not speculation. That is fact. And you traded a guy, even though he had never been injured but that one time for a guy that's repeatedly injured, he's a rep. He's a repeat offender. He's a repeat offender when it comes to injuries. So I'm confused now. If you trade him, saying, okay, give me Giannis. Okay, give me Ant Man. Okay, you get Shade. I get it now. I don't think any of those. It reported. They reached out to. I think y'. All. They reached out to Milwaukee, and I think they reached out to Minnesota. No, no. Okay, okay. Sga. That OKC is not doing that. But a guy that has a injury history, And I think Ad, when he's healthy, he's one of the 10 best players in the NBA. He could defend. Hey, he could block. He could. He could, you know, give you 25 and 13 on a nightly basis, give you two and a half, three blocks a game, ultra shots. But he's had a history of injuries.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And that's what Dallas is banking on. You know, they went to the finals that year. Uncle Ocho led by Luca and Kyrie, but they had. They had inside prisons defensively with Lively and Gaffer. But they didn't get no points.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They didn't have a big. Who can give them points? So when I look at it, they went and got 80 because they like. Then he'll be a great post presence.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Presence. A great pick and roll guy. Officially in the playoffs, he can average 30 easily. You know what I mean? I think that's what they were thinking, and obviously it just didn't pan out the way that. That they thought it would.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But how's the thing, though, Joe? Okay, we get AD as an inside present. We got a guy that we can dump the ball down to, and he gonna get his own shot. I want that with Luca. Not without Luca.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You won't go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you weren't gonna get that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I don't know what to tell you. I go somewhere else.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Some got to give.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's. That's why they kept Kyrie. I think they banked on Kyrie being that guy who's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a great two man game between Kyrie and AD and unfortunately, we. We never got to see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no, no. And you probably that, you know. You hear all the rumblers now that the Mavericks are looking to trade AD Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Once those rumblings start. You already know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You already know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, it's going to make it look even worse. The trade gonna look even. It already looks bad. And everybody thought it was bad. Nobody thought this was a good trade. But Nico and Dumont, those are the people that thought it looked this was a good trade. Who thought this was. I, I haven't heard anybody that thought this was a good trade except Nico and Dumont at the time, clearly he's having, you know, buyer's remorse.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I don't. I don't even think they thought it was a good trade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had to cut it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They had to come out and say it. And I know they in the back of their mind, like, you know what? This ain't right. Something ain't right. I didn't put my foot in my mouth. You knew. God, you knew good goddamn well what you was letting go. You knew it wasn't gonna look no different whether it was £200 or £300. You knew he was giving you 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I said. Look, I think AD when AD is healthy and he playing, because I've watched him go look at AD when he was in, when he was, when he was the guy and, and, and the pelicans giving you 28, 12 and three nasty work.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That was a long time ago, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what I'm saying. When he was healthy, had boogie. Cause, see, he wants to play. See, AD don't want to bang. Yeah. Now he will play. He'll play the five, the last five minutes of the ball game. Because that's what they did. Because think about it, Joe, he had his best season win with the Lakers. JaVale McGee, Dwight Howard, they would come in and play the five. They did all the grunt work, they did all the legwork. Last five minutes of the game, guess what? He slide to the five. LeBron slides to the four.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's when he does that. That's when he did his work. But I just. The, the trade didn't make sense to me because. Hold on, you Give it up. A guy, you say because Luke is not in shape and he's injured. But he's five, six years younger than ad. Yeah, he's five, six years younger and he can, he can give you the point, he can give you more points, he could rebound and he could assist, he could get, he could triple, he can walk in triple, double, like. Is he as efficient as A.D. no, but because he's taking, you know, 10, 11, 12 step back threes a game. Yes, sir, but he, I mean, when he cooking, you ain't gonna find very many guys. Only, Only will.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Could give you a 60 point, a 60, 20, triple, double. And that's what he did. I just don't, I don't get why. You know, look, I, I get it. Like Ojo said, out of fide him for making that suggestion. Get your ass out of here. How dare you come in my office talking about trade. Luca, what the hell. As a matter of fact, I'm finna trade you for another gen. The Lakers were willing to offer Clay Thompson four years, eighty million dollar deal, but he took a pay cut to go play with Luca in Dallas. Per the Athletic, the Lakers and Thompson discussed a four year, eighty million dollar deal in free agency that if the warriors cooperated in a signing trade, would have dwarfed the three year, $50 million deal that he got from the Dallas Mavericks. But eventually the mavericks gave him 50 and he took that. But the allure of Lucas greatness was a major pull. And as a chance to partner with Irving in the backcourt, when given the choice between teaming up with Lakers duo Davis and LeBron or the Maverick stars, Thompson made a calculated decision to go with the latter. Little did he know the star player was swapped and leave him for the wrong end of history. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you go back and study history, Joe Kyrie, what is his history? Injury, injuries, injuries. The one thing we know about LeBron now, he got, once he started getting the 19 and 20, he started getting these little knickknack, right? Growing, you know what I'm saying? But if you notice, variously, very rarely will you see LeBron James dive on the floor again. Yeah, did that one time. And you know, hey, as you get older, you ain't got the elasticity, you know what I'm saying? Don't try. Even though I drink water, I got the last tip once upon a time, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know, your boy, you know, hey, have you said that's how you was? You know, you know, cars was like, you know, was our bedroom back in the day, Joe. You know what I'm saying? You know, you don't want to talk about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I mean. And Clay has been impacted. Cause he's been playing terrible this year. I mean, he's awful. He's shooting 18% from three. I think he's shooting around 30% from the two. He's just.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, you got. You got a rookie playing the point guard who don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man, he ain't no.68. Don't mean he magic.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So, like, he's not going to understand. I'm saying Cooper Flag, with him playing the one, he's not going to understand how to, you know, really get Clay the ball to get him. To really get him shots. Because. No, he's trying to prove that he's the number one pick. You know what I mean? But you can see they kind of moved him. Moved him to the side a little bit. And they brought in Russell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They should have.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's good, too. I. I like to see Cooper feel the lanes and be able to play like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be able to play. Yeah. Play with his back to the basket. He can drive the ball. You know, you put it. Hey, you could. But the point guard, he should never primarily have the ball in his hand, Joe. No, that's not what he is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not unless he get a rebound and he pushing up the. Pushing outside of that. Don't have your big. Taking it out, giving it to Cooper flag so he can bring it up to initiate the offense. I don't. Yeah. Nah, I agree with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not a big. You can play through, Jokic. You can play through.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can run your offense through. You Draymond. You can run your offense through. That's not who Cooper Flagg is. You gotta know what you got. I understand he's the first pick in the draft, and a lot of times you have these ideas. Oh, I see him doing this, I see him doing that, but that's. You didn't see him do that at Duke, right? That's not what he did.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now you get. So now you take this dinner napkin and you try to make it a tablecloth. You see what you did, Ocho? That's a dinner napkin.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You try to make it a tablecloth. Let it do what it do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, boy. Yeah, but, Clay, like, man, y' all got me down here in Dallas, but I ain't too mad. You know, I got something.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, too bad, too bad. Dallas been okay to me. That's Just me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Made my basketball game. But there are more important things in life than basketball. You see it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, before we go to. The next topic is holiday season, and the team at ISO Joe foundation and Nightcap want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Want you to help our community and make sure everyone can enjoy a wonderful Thanksgiving. Please donate $40 to feed a family of 10 with a full Thanksgiving meal at all the sides. No one should go hungry. The link is pinned in the chat. Joe, tell us about how you came up with this idea, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Me and my team got together, and we just wanted to, you know, do something special for the families who may not have a great Thanksgiving, you know, this. This upcoming Thanksgiving. So we. We thought this would be a great, you know, small token of our appreciation. And we got. We already got people making donations, Uncle Ocho, you know, the. These feasts, these dinners. Because that's. That's typically what it is. It's $40 to feed 10 people. To feed 10 people?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really? That's it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

$40 to feed 10 people? And we already got people making donations, so all you got to do is go to www.isofoundation.org and all you got to do is donate $40, bro. You can feed 10 people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna do better than that. Ocho. Ocho, you're gonna match. I'm gonna. I got 10. I'm gonna send you 10k.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, if 40 can fit 10. I don't know how many. My math ain't good at the top of my head right now, but she. I want. I want people to have a very festive Thanksgiving. I want people. I don't want people to be hungry. I want people to. Look, I understand. Times are hard right now. Everything that's going on, and I can't do anything about what's going on up in D.C. right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I can do is. How many can we feed? We can feel 250.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

500.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, hey. My math ain't right. Hey, how much that is, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I feed 250. You feed 250. So 10 for me, 10 for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I need to understand. I need numbers. I need to hear. I need to hear numbers so I get a better understanding. How much we talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

10K fees. 250 families.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, I'm gonna show. Send over to something to you, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sending you 10. Joe. You have mine. You have mine tomorrow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna get you Right, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Hell, no. They talk about ocho, donate that 5,900. Hell, no. He ain't gonna donate no 50. 900. That's mine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe. Hey, where the link at?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta go to. Hey. Oh, Joe. You got to go to www.ISO isofoundation.org.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, baby. Www.baby ISO.www.isofoundation.org isofoundation.org.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't even got to worry about that little hundred dollars you owe me neither, man. You just don't. Don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These families up go to WWW get lumped up if you don't pay Unc his money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, let me. Let me know you find it. Hey, hey. Send them. Yeah, you found it. Hey, hey, donate. Donate for Thanksgiving real quick. Hey, Doing righteous some with three zeros, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm talking about. Hey, boy. Y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't care what they say about y', all, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y'. All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I hate with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, I'm. I'm all about helping. I'm all about feeding families.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oo. Whenever y' all got something jumping off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y', all, let your boy know. Hey, look, I got. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. You got a black suit, Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My money don't come in. By the new year, you gonna be attending one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we. I' ma feed the families. You know what I'm saying? You know, that's one thing, you know, you go to the Passover, you know, you get a good night, get your nice meal.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You sure you gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're gonna kill me, man. You'll be 5,900 for two years, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. That's crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I got child support. I'll be hanging a little bit. I'll be hiding a little bit. You know, I was just trying to catch up. You feel me? You know, work with your boy, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Work with your boy, man. That's crazy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I sure appreciate y', all, though. I still appreciate y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, them families gonna appreciate y', all, too, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. We want everybody to get some. You know, I show over there. Just one scoop of mashed potatoes, one scoop of dressing. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no. But it gonna feed 10, nine, nine, nine. We're gonna do them right. We're gonna have. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it worked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, she.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's working, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. I'm Sitting, Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

My link worked too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay. What's your link, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

WWW you gonna get effed up if you don't play uncle's money. I got you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got you. Hey, hey, hey. You got to understand the importance of what the citizens is Thanksgiving. It's all about giving back. You know, a lot of people that are just starving, we don't want them to starve. See you not hurting for that 5,900.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm hurting you in a good space. Oo I'm hurting, I'm hurt, I'm hurting. Nobody knows.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. One thing about it, boy, they ain't, ain't never as bad as it seem because no, hell no. Ain't never that. But what, what we lose, we always get back. Because in, in, in, in a very. I, I give you, I give it six more months, but we're gonna be right back left from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I'm saying is just. Hey. All I do is ask the Lord to give me an A. Wake me up in the morning.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all I need.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, he done gave me the tools. He, he done gave me, he done gave me the weapons to go fight any war.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When he wake me up in the morning, that's all I need.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

OO Paul Pierce says he's taking the Morris twins over the YIC brothers in a street fight. Joe fight one of, one of them, like, 6, 10, 400.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you know that don't mean nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

In the street fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if he, he got.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

To be able to move with all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what it said. They said, man, he ain't got no cardio. I heard, I, I, I briefly heard him talking about it. I heard him briefly talking about it. Now, hold on. One of them, an MMA fighter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Who wanted one of the Yogic brothers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Brothers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the one thing you know about MMA fighters, they normally, even though Big Ocho, they normally got some decent cardio now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they got a little decent cardio, you know, a little ground game, you know, they don't, they don't play fair. They don't play fair. And especially with anybody with any kind of combat, combat training. I mean, it gives them an advantage over any regular civilian, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah, and 6, 10, 400.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's a big boy. Nah, you know, you know, I, I had the chance to film with the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ilya.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ilya.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, Ilyapori.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, yeah, yeah, we we filmed today down here in Spain and Of course. My. My crazy. I asked him if you want to spar, and when I asked when you want to spar, he didn't show me the highlights of all his knockouts, man. He. Hey, he did not even knock that, you know, brother. Max Holloway. And yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he got. Oh, he got crazy hands. O joke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You ain't had to tell me. You ain't had to tell me that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So you ain't. You ain't want none of that smoke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, after I seen. After I seen the highlights they showed me, I like, nah, you know. You know, listen, we're gonna do the work we need to do right now, but, yeah, I changed my mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want to spark. No. I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I'm thinking. Because he, you know, he's a little small. I'm like, man, what, man? I man up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he told me he can now. He told me he want to fight a bud. I like, bro, you. You. Hey, look, I understand you mma, but mma boxing and pro boxing is two different things. Ask Conor McGregor. Now, he caught Floyd on the tail end. Imagine he called Floyd five years earlier.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, Floyd toy with that boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, he. He. Let him get in them deep waters, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, let him get time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go ahead, punch yourself out, get tired, and I'll catch you on the back end.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Hey, hey, hey. The one thing I say about the Mars brothers now, they. They ain't gonna back down from no action.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No. No, they ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, once I found out they fought the football team, I like. Okay?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They real one football team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kansas and Kansas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. What do you mean they fought the football team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They fought the football team. The whole team, a few players, a bunch of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The mere fact that they did that because I ain't never heard of a basketball team, because that would have never happened at state, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They weren't them problems.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, normally don't nobody want them problems unless you come from the city. Now, you know, sometimes, you know, we, the guys got the squabbling with people out the city. That's a whole different out. That's a whole different animal, right? And, you know, we try to contain that. Cause me, I got the car that everybody knows I can't be out there, you know? You know. Cause you know your boy. Oh, you know your boy back then, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You used to be in there with your shirt off and everything in the spot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I wasn't. I didn't go to the party, Joe. But you know, I'm saying I'm at the car wash up at the barbershop. You know, I had to pull up, you know, late at night.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, but they. I got a. I got a. A 300 ZX Sky Blue and I got a 300 Bens. You had that anybody? Yeah, I had a brother playing the league. You think he gonna leave? Oh, I got hazard. I got Levi's like, man, I please. I got Polo Darksiders for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you were clean, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Off.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You had all that in college. And a cat like me and have about two pair of jeans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I went to college. I went to college with two brown red Piggly Wiggly bags. Two brown Piggly Wiggly bags. Everything on in it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I had one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My brother making a little money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, touchdown was 200. A hundred. 100 yard game was 200. Man, I have 200 yards and four touchdowns. Oh, yo, you know how much money that is?

[Chad Ochocinco]

A lot. That's a lot. And listen, in college at that time. But hey. Make you feel rich. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was go back to think about it. 1988, how much a thousand dollars was a thousand dollars to a college kid.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What that was last. You talking about 1988? Well, you know what I could do with a thousand dollars a day?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not pay me, but. Yeah, but look at. Hey, I'm telling you now, the bars twin, they back it down from no action now. But hey, I. I don't know if anybody. Ain't nobody doing no really no street fights no more if they don't have to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, people. People find you up or poking you, ain't no more. Ain't no more. Fair, ain't it? It's a fight. What about, man, you fight fair? Nah, it's a fight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't no street fights. Ain't sanctioned. Bust over the head with a bottle. So Demarcus Cousins said the Pelicans need to relocate. It was five. It was times five. Six years ago. Especially New Orleans. You go to the. There's 36 people there. Courtside was 25. Damn. Blow it up, move on. There are no fans, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, you know what? He probably got a point, Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, we don't have no point, Joe. Come on now, don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are they gonna go to? Because they look at. They looking at bringing a team to Seattle and they're bringing a team to Vegas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They got. Hey, look, they need one in Vegas. Boy, we. That thing will be jumping in Vegas. Y' all already know it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure. Because they got a bait. They got. They already got football, they got a hockey, they got a wnba, they got the A's that's relocating from Oakland, that's coming here in about two years, so. And now they have an mb, so they have the Big five.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know. Basketball gonna be there soon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't. I don't think it'd be the Pelicans, you know? You know what they need to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, hell not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Pelicans, they want a new team. They want somebody to spend about 3, 4, 5 billion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. It'd be the expansion team, but for the. For the Pelicans. Right. And what the Marcus talk about with them? Talk about the course. The course. Size seats for 25 winning cures all. Winning cures all. You know, and the people of New Orleans, they deserve to have a sports team, whether it be the Saints, whether it be the Pelicans. But to get the people to come out, you got to be able to win. You got to put the product on the court, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you had A.D. he wanted out. Zion doesn't want to be there, so. It's hard. It's hard to keep a star if you get a superstar. And he doesn't want to stay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because they got. They got some decent talent over there, but it just ain't enough to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Not with OKC. Them young boys, the oldest guy, 26, 27. They. They ain't going nowhere anytime soon. You got Wimby and that squad in San Antonio. They not going anywhere anytime soon. And now you got the Rockets with kd. You got Shun. Goon. You got Thompson. Man, please. And guys just don't. The guys don't want to be there. I mean, they come and they don't want to stay. They want to be in bigger markets.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Zion, I guarantee you, if you ask. Give. Put Zion on a lie detector test, he would have rather gone three and going to New York as opposed to going number one and going to New Orleans.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right. I believe. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it is what it is. I mean, just. I. I don't. I don't know if Ms. Benson is going to move it. I don't. I don't think she will. I don't. And I mean, you could, because they.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They own. They own the Saints. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My late husband. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They ain't. They ain't moving that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So all Right. Joe, let me know what you think about this. The NBA announced this long awaited plans to overhaul the All Star game. Laying out how the new United States will once again versus the world format will go and how teams will be formed. Going to a three team format featuring eight man rosters, two of which will be made up of American players and the third of international players. There will no longer be any position requirements.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the past, starters have been made up of two backcourt players and three front court players with the reserves being the same split plus two wild cards. This year though, the starter will be formed of the top five vote getters regardless of positions and the reserve will be the top seven regardless of positions. As a seven time All Star. Joe, what do you think about this?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They trying to do whatever they can to spice the All Star weekend back up to get people excited, to get people to tune in obviously. But man, if you're gonna have all the Foreigner guys, what we talking about? Lucas Shea. Lucas Shea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Giannis Wemby.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Jokic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jokic. That's five. Those are your top five players right there. They are international.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We gonna be in some trouble.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your top five players are all international. Tell me an American player that's better than the five that I just named. I'll wait.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Gonna be in some trouble.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the problem is I don't care what you do. If the guys don't want to play hard, they're not gonna play. The guys don't want to play it anymore.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So you got to put in some incentives, man. You got to put some incentives in for them. For them dudes to come out and compete at a high level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, oh, these guys making fifty and sixty million dollars and I gotta incentivize it. Yeah, they sport.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They spoil.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. They spoil. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do you want. They've done a huge disservice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Kobe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan probably just shaking his head. That's probably why he don't even go no more. Michael Jordan didn't go to the All Star game. Kobe with Kobe. Kobe, rest his soul. Ain't no way in hell Kobe Bryant would show up to that. Yeah, ain't no way. The old guard, like I said the same thing. I said the same thing about the Pro Bowl. I remember saying. I said they're gonna get. They're gonna cut this out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, you went with a Pro bowl that we didn't tackle. Like it was a playoff game or a regular season game. But we did tackle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when that fourth cutter when that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fourth quarter came, now they go now. Now we get down to the nitty gritty, because we trying to get that little tenth, Joe Little 10,000.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We need that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how much we played. The winners got 10,000. The winners got 10, the losers got five. You brought five people. That's all your money. Hotel room. Hotel room. And to feed them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Trust me, I already know. I already know, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time. Time took his family time had about lunch meat, bread. Time went to the grocery store. That's all. I ain't doing this. No, literally. Time had, like, two gallons of milk, yo. Time like, they have sandwiches times. Yeah, it up quick.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I really wasn't taking nobody. I was taking my coaches. I would take my. My position coach and his wife. Their wives. Yeah. So, you know, my position coach coach me. He'd be going somewhere else. I fly them in. So my sister didn't want to go. She had already done gone, like, twice with my brother. She like, nah, I'm done with it. I ain't want to go no more. So most of the time, I'm. I'm going by myself or, you know, and then I take my coaches and their wives out to eat, and then basically, it was just, you know, me hanging out with the guys. Yeah, but that now, you know, I sure wish I could go back and play again, Ocho. Yeah, man, but it ain't even the wide no more, so it ain't no fun.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There's. There's no. There's no excitement to making the Pro bowl now, because you make it, and you're going right to Orlando.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When you made the Provo back then, it was a privilege.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was a big deal, man. You go into why, you'll get some pineapple wines. You gonna eat them wings with that ranch dressing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, all I remember. All I remember. I don't know if anybody in Hawaii might see this. The French toast at the Ihalani Hotel.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Second to none. I ain't. I ain't had nothing. The closest thing I've had that was just as good as that. And is the French toast I ate in Montreal at a restaurant called La Avenue, though those two places. The best French toast I didn't ever had, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The. They got some French toast at the Beverly Wilshire right there on. On. Right there on Wilshire Riddell Drive. Yeah, Boy, they got some friends, Ocho. And they got a croissant, right? Croissant.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that French toast. I see the. I see the jackrabbit beat a German shepherd up just to get a bite of it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Beverly Wilson. That's over there with the rich folks, ain't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they got a place. They got a place in, in New York with pancakes. I want to go. I forget the name of it, but I see the French toast that rock be eating, his shelf be making it some French toast. That's. That bread this thick?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, damn, is that a loaf of bread or what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I like Princeton.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, y' all ate like. Y' all ate like that on game days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta realize, Joe, we played at two, we played at two o'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Clock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would eat breakfast. I'll be eating breakfast at nine. I wouldn't eat again until after the game, which would be about 5, 36.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I'm saying. But it wouldn't be like nothing heavy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no. Like French toast with bananas, egg whites and an oatmeal.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, Joe, Joe, I get my same. I say McDonald's meal before every game. Even if we were playing on the road, I would have somebody. I would have somebody bring it for me. Just hotcakes with sausage and a large orange juice. That's it. Real simple.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but yeah, it's, it's not the same. Guys don't take it serious anymore. And really the only thing that's the same is the All Star game in baseball. Because how do you half ass baseball, you got to throw 95, you know, you gotta, you know, change up sliders, you know, and there's something on the line. I mean, whoever didn't, it's still All Star Game. Whoever wins the All Star game, it gets home field, gets baseball. That's still the same. And see, yeah, like I said, these guys, they didn't want to play anymore. Even though they increased the money, it went to 25. And I think now it's probably like 50, 80,000 for the winners at the Pro Bowl. Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's because. Hey, look, All Star weekend, guys be. It's like a vacation for real. But they know they got to come out and play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I used to watch. You used to look forward to it, man. I watched Jordan, imagine them, how they go at it. Oh, man, Kobe, they used to play. Ocho, we used to tap, we played, we tackle. It wasn't no 45. No 45, 41 ball game.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

It was. Hey, Joe, it was competitive. It was competitive.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Listen, I used to watch it, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They used to have a lot of festivities for the Pro Bowl. And all that with the quarterback duels and all that. They still do all that, Uncle Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, they. No, I mean, they basically now they have, like, dodgeball. They have the quarterbacks trying to hit that moving target. They have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They have some stuff, but the fun stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, look, we joked around at practice and stuff like that because, you know, I remember one year, as a matter of fact, I'm trying to think what it. That was a 96. So it was 96 season, but it was the 97 Pro Bowl. Ocho. So we go out there like. I think it's that Friday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Uhhuh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So Junior. Junior say Al Cortez, junior Like, man, hey, let me. I want to play. I want to play tight end. Okay. Hell, here. Here you go. So he go to tight end, I go to linebacker. Corte, man. Tom called a little round. Take it in. Well, nothing gonna get done that day, but come game. Hey, come Sunday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, they finna play now, are we? Yeah, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brucie T. Oh, that game close.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bruce and Brucey and dt, Rest his soul. Yeah, they getting out that ball. They getting out that ball. Them were the days. It ain't like that no more. Oo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm sorry, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Time. Times have changed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's up? I'm going to my first net. Oh, Aaron Owens. What's up? I'm going to my first NASCAR race next year at the Coca Cola 600. Who's your favorite driver? All time. And your favorite NASCAR memory? Wow. My favorite. I like a lot. I like a lot of NASCAR guys. I grew up kind of watching Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt, But I would probably have to say my favorite is Jeff Gordon. I did an appearance with Jimmy Johnson, the 48 Lowe's car, but the 24 Dupont. But, you know, I grew up way back when they had Harry Gantt and all those guys, the Allison boys. Kale Yarborough. Yarborough. Sterling Marlin, awesome Bill from Dawsonville. Probably my favorite memory. When. Who was it? Was it. I think it was Bobby Allison and Kale Yarborough wrecked. And I think it was Daryl Waltrip or. Or Richard Petty that end up winning the 79, the 79 Daytona 500. They crashed each other, I think. I think. I think it was Bobby Allison because it was two brothers, Bobby and Donnie. But I think. I think Bobby Allison and Kale Yarborough end up wrecking each other. And either Richard Petty or Daryl Waltrip Ended up winning. Richard Petty drove Dodge, the STP car.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

1979 dirt Daytona. Okay, man, Ash, you don't remember that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I remember that. I was there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dang, Ash, I thought you remember that, but. But I think it was 79. Tino David said pain needs to apologize from everybody that was bashing him. And aj situation seemed personal and mental. I hope he's okay. Hey, Tino, you heard me. Apologize. I owe the man an apology. I owed one to Javon Kinlaw, too. And I gave it to him because I believe as loud as I was and saying that he was wrong, I should be just as loud and apologize because that man, what he said it. They said it. That he just didn't swing like you said. He DM me and sent me the video also. So.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was 79, wasn't it? Yeah. Daytona 500, 1979 type in 1979 Daytona. I think AJ's fine. I think AJ wants to contribute. Wants to be a. He wants the offense to know. And he knows if they give him an opportunity, he can help the offense get out of the funk that they're in. And they definitely wouldn't be having as many three and outs as they have. So it was Donnie, when I tell.

[Lenovo Announcer]

You this was like a footnote.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And who ended up winning with a Kale, Yarborough or Richard Petty? No, I mean, was it Daryl Waltrip or Richard Petty? They ended up winning. See, you know. Hey, you know, I'm saying. Oh, you know, back then in the south, yeah, NASCAR was huge now. Yeah, it's still big in the south, but not like it was. Because you go to every convenience store, Joe. You remember, they used to have hats, they had handkerchiefs, they had jackets, all that stuff. All your favorite drivers. You can get Terry Labonte, you can get Bill Elliot. You can get any Harry Gant, old school Bandit, Silver Fox, Sterling Mar Pearson. Oh, man. Oh, I had me some. I ain't gonna lie to you. I had me some. I had me some. Handkerchief. What? I. That was the whole thing. Hey, and I wasn't the only brother that had that either. Just so y' all know. Triple X Cup Saturday. Keep your hands and your feet to yourself. And unless someone else owes you 5,900. You right, you right. GK knocks 171. Greg. Hey, can y' all wish my wife Ria a very special happy birthday? We absolutely would love to, Ria. Greg wants to wish you a very happy birthday. And us at the Nightcap family want to wish you a happy birthday. Who hopefully you had A great day, did something really, really fun, went to a great, got you a great meal and hope he got. Hope Greg bought you a nice gift but happy birthday Real Donovan D. Ocho y' all feel about Pinnock? Do y' all think he is fundamentals like footwork and decision making or could be play calling be better. Big fan. Look he a young player Ocho. I mean man, y' all really think everybody just supposed to come out and be like Patrick Mahomes, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the problem. I think players like Mahomes burrow Brady, Peyton Manning, they've Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, they've spoiled the fans. They spoil the fans, especially fans of certain teams where you see quarterbacks that go early and you're expecting that type of play from them, you know, this early in their career, it's just not going to happen. At some point there has to be a maturation process where they may get to that but there's a chance that they don't, they don't become elite, they don't become a tier one quarterback and they just, they just become just, just good. And I think Pennix Jr. Is going to be okay. I think he has to be careful about what he says, you know in the media and, and, and choose his words wisely. I think he's gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, look it's the same in the 90s there were not 15 great tier one quarterbacks. In the 2000 they weren't 15 tier one great quarterback. Never going to be that many. There's levels to this. Yeah, I know. Look, I understand it. Everybody wants their quarterback to, to look like a, a Mahomes or one of these tier one quarterbacks. One of the greats of all, Aaron Rodgers. That ain't happening guys. Everybody ain't gonna have that. Just like everybody ain't gonna have a Kobe or LeBron or Yic or Bird to play for their organization. Ain't gonna happen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brian in Detroit, Detroit basketball Le Portier cigars Aaron Jones. Wait a minute. I thought you wouldn't be listening to non football players and people who get paid to study the game. Why do you care about their opinions? I thought I answered that Aaron. I tweet. My thing is I don't have a. I don't care if you didn't play. I said if you mina times and study film have at it. But I think I know things that mean a don't for the simple fact I played and I look at the game a little different. But why do you care what I say then? It seems like because I ain't jumping on your time like they jumping on mine. I ain't never jumped on nobody. Timeline say you don't know what you're talking about. That's what y' all do. So clearly y' all know what I'm talking about. Being Ocho ISO. Can I get a birthday shout out? Turn 38 on November 12th. Ben. Happy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Belated birthday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Happy birthday, 38.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday, twins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I remember when I was 38.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you a young, vibrant.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. 38.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Me, hey, yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

From 25ft away, I take a tie and just swing it. You know, the old time, the country. Yes, sir. Peeing it from 25ft away. Do all that. At 38.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At 38, right? I ain't lost my magic yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know, still a little something, you know. You know, I still, you know, could con you up a little something maybe once in a while. You know what I'm saying, don't you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not like, you know, I ain't Steph Curry. I ain't gonna make 102 in a row, but, you know what I'm saying? I might hit a good, you know, Joe, good day. I might get, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get three in a row.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, hey. I'm just saying don't try to block my shot, but I can make three in a row. Raymond Felton. Is that a Raymond Felton? NFC runs through Dallas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It run through who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody going through Dallas to go to San Francisco. Y' all gonna be watching us in February. Do what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't somebody. He talking about the Pro Bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Dallas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y' all gotta pipe down a little bit. Pipe down a little bit. Pipe down. Pipe down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, after all these years, at this point, you should. You should understand that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho, I'm a real fan, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And part of being a real fan is not being delusional.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I'm not being. I'm not being delusional. I'm not being delusional. I understand what's going on, okay? I understand what's going on. But listen, I ain't gonna just leave because we in a little turmoil. You. You hear what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. You can stay there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We want you to stay there. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all been in turmoil for 35 years. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Chill out. Chill out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, do you know. Hello? Joe, do you know what it's like for y' all to win the Super Bowl. How old you when they won the Super Bowl, Joe?

[Podcast Sponsor Announcer]

Five.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Probably about 10 when they win one last time, we won 95. Yeah, about 14.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm 14, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get a pack of cigarettes for a dollar back then, man, what you can go to.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can go to the. To the store with a dollar and get plenty of stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I remember when cigarettes were 50 cent a pack. I know. Hey, but, hey, hey, but I tell you what, the more people, they didn't want to get out. Hey, you going to the stove, son? Yes. Hey, bring me a pack of cigarette. You keep. Give me that better, man, please. Hey, all y' all do. Hey, what you want? Winston Business.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Virginia Slims, Then Marvel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Ocho, I gotta get that throwback. And I remember everybody saying, eat my mama, boy. If cigarettes ever go to a dollar pack, I'm done. Today, the day they go to a dollar pack cigarette by $6, $7 a pack right now, and people still smoke it. I got my mama to quit. I bet my mom25,000 she couldn't quit. My mama said, you're Gonna give me 25, 000 if I can't quit smoking. My mom have been smoking since she was probably 12, 13. My granny, sister Anime, used to smoke. And my mom was like, hey, give me a cigarette, Anime. You better not tell. You better not tell Mayor I give you a cigarette. Well, if you don't give me one, I'm gonna tell her you did.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So my mom had been smoking since she was like, 12 or 13. I said, Mom, I bet you 25,000 you can't quit. She's my mama. Look, she had two. She had just bought two. Two cartons. My mama, like, she said, I'm gonna smoke these two and I'm done. That was 25. My mama quit cold turkey. Ain't no catch. Ain't no weaning. My mama smoked them two cartons. You said, baby, I ain't smelling. I ain't had my. I ain't had. I ain't had no. I ain't smoke no more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta be strong willed to do that, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Looking for. For money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What to get money for my baby? Man, please. My mama walk from Chicago. And I was like. I thought about it. I was like, hold on. Mama just bought you a car. That should be good enough. She said, no, that wasn't the deal, baby. Andy Lopez, if PS2 don't play, how you feel about my homeboy? He's not gonna play. They're gonna reevaluate him in. In four weeks. So.

[Degree Cool Rush Announcer]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about. It's a 18, a pack. You mean a carton? How much cigarettes a pack? Chad, how many cigarettes a pack? What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How much?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honey, $8.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That ain't bad. You said it was 7. That's about right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I remember. I remember. They 50. There was 50 cent a pack.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And people, everybody said if they ever go to a dollar, they gonna quit. Then they said they go to a $150, they going to quit. They go to $2, they go quit. Cuz like, seem like the price keep going up. And then people still smoking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, that why you got people out here hustling them cigarettes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They 18,000 pack in New York City. The whole.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The whole. The whole carton?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, a pack. Not the carton. A pack.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Little pack.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, but you know, they be selling a lot of loose cigarettes in New York.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it says if PS2 doesn't play, how do you feel against my homeboy? Same. We got this. We're gonna get this dub. Oh, sure. You know I have my Bronco shirt on Sunday, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Just so you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So you ain't feeling good. Hey, feeling good about them Broncos, ain't it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe. We did a number on y', all, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We ain't gotta talk about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, we did enough on them, too. They only scored three points. She's old. Shizzle Flex. Devontae Smith is on pace for a career year. And we're talking about A.J. brown. You know, our GM is. A.J. is under contract to a 29. You want him, pay the price. Yeah, well, A.J. devonte don't really do a whole lot of talking. And he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He. He. He expressed his displeasure as well. About two weeks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he has? Oh, yes. Yeah, for sure. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy. Tell him, Joe. How about them Cowboys? Doc, you can't say foot or ball. You've been talking about you. Hey, you psychic. And, you know you getting your stuff in early. And they ain't won a game since. Doc. Hey, and you better not. Doc. You better not be. Y' all better not lose on Thanksgiving. Oh, y' all know y' all got.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Kansas City on Thanksgiving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Doc. I'm with you, baby. How about them cowboys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. El pray, Ocho. The camera you got in Spain is clean. Good luck. Are you planning on running with the bulls, Uncle Nocho? Adventures.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen. Hey, I'm glad you said that. Right, because that. That's. That's certain stuff we can tap into Running with the Bulls. I'm going to have to do it. I can do it. I think they need to do. There need to be some things, Joe and Unc that we need to do in that space of creating content outside of what we already do. Because everybody do this, and, you know, we. We wanted the best at it, but it's a lane that hasn't been touched. You hear me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You could be like, my coach and where we could almost be stuff that's semi dangerous, and I'm willing to take that chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, so we. We.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I definitely coach you all.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we. We need to make sure we, too. We. We. We refine tune and stay into that lane that nobody's touched. Okay. Because the world. The world will appreciate. Appreciate that. Going hunting, you know, me and you swimming with orcas in the wild.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, that's what I'm talking about. It has to be things you don't want to do that you're willing to try.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, swimming with oracles, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. In the wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't attack humans.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't got on doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no, you don't. You right, Uncle. Ain't got Unc doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We got to do things we normally wouldn't do, things that are out of our character. That's what people want to see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And that's like life or death. Like, you know that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, that's a good thing about it. So if. If you die, you went out the right way. Great content.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I didn't. I got a. I got a different idea how I want to go out. Just me talking, though. Philly talk with PA. AJ Said not just what Philly media said, but Devonte Saquon. Lane Johnson said it's predictable as well. AJ isn't schemed open like Chase. PS2 said. He gets open and. And that's what makes him great. Well, y' all need to. Y' all need to take that up with the coordinator with the Eagles. Why y' all getting mad at me and Ocho and Joe? I. I ain't calling no plays, Lanny Ray. Hey, guys. Been listening to you guys for an hour so I could see the aura borealis. Oh, you could? I couldn't see it. It was amazing. What's the most amazing view you've seen when traveling?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The most amazing view?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw Haley's Comet back in 1986. You ain't see that. I did. I did. I did.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't Know, and it all happens every. Every between 75 and 77 and a half years. So I don't know if I'm gonna be around to see it, but I saw it. Feel very fortunate if you see two of them. Cause you damn sure won't see three. You should be very, very fortunate if you see two. I don't know, that's my goal, to maybe catch. Catch that old second one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't know if this is amazing, but I was on the plane doing 9 11.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were you. Did they order you down? They took this. The first time in history that all. All played George W. President Bush ordered all plans out of all planes out of the sky.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I was headed to Boston. I flew from Little Rock, Arkansas to Atlanta, Georgia to connect. When I got to Atlanta, we got on the flight, we was taxiing out to get ready to take off, and he pulled back in. He was like, we got emergency. We gotta pull back in. It's an emergency. And they told all us to evacuate off the plane. When we got off the plane, the first plane had already done hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So we looking at it on tv, and it didn't look real to me at first, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I headed to Boston.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that was my rookie year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. I remember it like yesterday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got stuck in the eighth for a week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not a bad place to be stuck.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now, considering where I went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't Jamal the singer. Your unc catchphrase show up. Every day in my life, my wife talking about, not tonight. I looked at her and said, the hell you say? Hey, stall out, Jamal, man. She probably had a hard day at work. She probably came home and uncooked the meal. Hey, give him a break, man. Say, baby, I'll catch you tomorrow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ricky. What up, gang? Flying out to the doctor in the morning. What's y' all Travel plans in 2026 with up free out like a scout of a new route.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's our plans, Ocho? Where we going?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I don't know. It's on you. It's on you. You tell me you want to go. You know, me and the missus, we gonna travel, you know. You want to bring your little partner with you? You know, we could do, you know, let a little double date. Joe, you want to come? You want to come along too? You know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I can't go nowhere. Just me and you. I gotta have Joe. Cause somebody got to be the boss of reason. They got to be the boy's reason. I don't reason with you. No, you not. No voice or nothing. You divorce with some bull jive.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm the best person to travel with. It don't matter where we go. We come to Spain. I can speak Spanish. We go to France, I can speak French. You know, I mean, I'm the person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

French fries and French toast is not speaking French. Crusoe. No great Poupon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nothing. I speak. I speak French. I speak Spanish like I'm the person. I speak Russian.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? You go tell me something in what? Miyama.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Miyama.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Miyama. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I'm asking you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's Ocho, but you're not saying it right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Miyama. Miyama. Binte. My name is Vincent.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, your name is not Vincent. Your name is. Your name is Shannon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but my Spanish name, when I took Spanish, right, Because everybody else had already taken. Everybody I had to take. I had to get a name. Everybody had taken Gary. It was Greg and Stephen. So I say, you know, what.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Is that what you. When you. When you travel abroad, do you tell women, you mean people. Your name is Vincent?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, so. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't really travel. I hadn't been abroad. I actually. I've been to. Where did I go? I went to Italy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Podcast Sponsor Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, I was in Rome. I was in Rome. Went to Florence on that train. Countryside. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know. You know, I would. Hey, you know, I was getting ready to fly to Italy tomorrow. I was gonna go to the room. I wanted. I want. I wanted to show my baby. I want to show her the Coliseum. But I was like, you know what? Let me. Let me lock in. Let me stay focused.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You should have took it to LA downtown. You see Coliseum. Oh, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, but listen, I know we got nightcap tomorrow, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, I see how focused I am. See how dedicated I am.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I appreciate that. I'm not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We're not going. We're not gonna go to Rome. We gonna wait till the season is over. Football season's over. And we got a little more time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The city, instead of going there for a few hours and then fly back to the States. So I'm flying back. I'm flying back to Miami and my flight, even, what, Four hours, five hours? See that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn you. You went over there with a little bit of time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I just. I flew in. When? This morning? I flew in last night. I did what I needed to do today, and I'm back in Miami tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you know, we. Are we doing something?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, saucy. Saucy said so we don't go ahead. What you gonna say, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would tell. I would tell it, Joe. In and out. How much we talking?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. I was gonna say. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, y' all gotta have somebody with y' all who got some sense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause Ocho gonna try to talk me into something, and so Joe be the voice of reason so Joe could break the tie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got. Nah, nah. I would listen. You gotta understand, whatever I try to talk you into, it'd be nothing like Nico Harrison in that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, all right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nothing like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, man, you have us try to scale up Mount Suvius.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, now. Now, see, now that's great. Content.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saucy say so we don't need LeBron. Laker fans awful tonight. Oh, yeah. So y' all want to trade LeBron, huh? Well, Lego. What? What's up? What LeBron hate is at.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't want OKC beat the brakes off him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

By, like, 30.

[Chad Ochocinco]

30 what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Pounce.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God, it was a whole lot to a few.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

David Montiano, Eagles OC Kevin Petula is going to destroy us. I agree with AJ.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, can you imagine? Everybody can't have been Johnson calling plays. Everybody can't have a Sean McMahon, Kyle Shanahan or. Yeah, you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Andy Reid.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. The creativity is different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

CB started. Shakur said. CBB started. The early prediction, if any, UConn, we taking our title back. We building football program up, too. Yeah, y' all good in basketball now, but I. I don't know if UConn gonna ever be able to beat those blue bloods, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Talking about football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. To beat the Georgias and the Ohio States and the Bamas, and I don't see that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you got. You got to bring a whole lot. We got to bring a whole lot of boys in there for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fletch, I catched up on the show the other night when you said you wish coach would stop feeding y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You almost had me through all my cater food away because we're doing so bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that was funny. That was funny, boy. That was funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm miserable. When I'm losing, I'm miserable. I want everybody else to be miserable, too. Oh, did you see the new format at the women's 100 meters at the 2028 Olympics? All three rounds the same day? I did see that. It's opening day, man. That's asking an awful lot of these women. I mean, three rounds in one day, Normally, they have Maybe two rounds and then they have the finals the next day, or they won one round and two rounds the next day. But that's awful lot. I hope they space it out and give them enough, give them enough time to recover. So they should have a space out, you know, morning then noon and then at night. Yeah, I mean, the women taking over Sid, they might end up having said Sid. Race beat. Whatever, whatever. See it running. That's gonna be the signature race.

[Chad Ochocinco]

B.

[Shannon Sharpe]

More cow in 2018 draft. Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. The best quarterback in the draft class in NFL history. You can make that case. 83 might have something to say about that. Now, you know Elway and Marino was in the same draft with Jim Kelly.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jim Kelly went to four Super Bowls. He didn't win it. John went to five, one two, Marino went to one. So it's. When it's all said and done, you might have a compelling argument, young man, because Lamar hasn't been to the Super Bowl. Well, y' all gotta get to some super bowls now. Jay underscore Fields227 Since Scatter Boo is hurt. Would there ever be another Mike All Star type player?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, it would be hard too, because they don't even team the way that, the way the NFL is now with the way offenses are. Most teams don't even use a fullback to that. To that point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, they block it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was a perfect fit for, for, for the Giants. I think the 49ers also use the fullback a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah. There's one more team.

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Oh, the Ravens. Ricard, The Ravens.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host. That's Liberty City's own. That is Bengals ring of fame honoree, former Pro bowl and all pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the big three joins us every Wednesday night. Little Rock, Arkansas native, Little Rock University of Arkansas alum, seven time all star ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you check out shaved by Laportier. Just head over to laportierconac.com to grab you a bottle. If you cannot find it, any state or city near you, try it, taste it for yourself. I guarantee you you'll know what I know we have the best tasting premium BSOP cognac on the market. Please drive, drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you check out my media company page on all of its platform Shay Media and my clothing company 84 with 84 being spelled in the chat. The link is pinned in the chat. We had a great show tonight. Derek Stingley Jr. Thank you for joining us. The all pro cornerback from the Texans, the Houston Texans and Casey Conception joined us. He was outstanding wide receiver from Texas A and M. The number three Texas A and M Aggies. We want to thank those guys for joining us this afternoon. We want to thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night after the game. The jets and the Patriots.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'll be back in the States tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm unk. He's Ocho, he's ISO. Thank you guys for joining us. See you tomorrow night after the game.

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