Nightcap - Hour 2: Cowboys shakey win, Travis Hunter snubbed, NIL headed to danger zone

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Episode: Nightcap - Hour 2: Cowboys Shakey Win, Travis Hunter Snubbed, NIL Headed to Danger Zone
Release Date: November 29, 2024
Hosts: John Mittlekoff and Ocho Cinco
Description: In this episode, NFL legends John Mittlekoff and Ocho Cinco delve deep into recent NFL games, discuss controversial coaching decisions, examine the implications of NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) policies, and engage in a lively Q&A session with fans.

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1. Game Analysis

a. Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants [04:12 - 11:58]

John Mittlekoff opens the discussion by analyzing the Cowboys' recent victory over the Giants with a score of 27-20. He highlights the Cowboys' revitalized ground game, emphasizing Rico Dowdle's career-high 112 rushing yards on 22 carries—his first professional hundred-yard game. Mittlekoff notes this is the Cowboys' first 100-yard rush by a player since Tony Pollard in Week 3 of 2023.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [04:12]: "Rico Dowdle led the way with a career high 112 yards on 22 carries."
• Ocho Cinco [05:11]: "The Cowboys defensively they played very well. They played very, very well on the run pass game."

b. Defensive Performance and Turnovers [04:12 - 14:21]

The hosts commend Cowboys' defense, particularly Marvion Overshawn for securing both turnovers and a pick-six. However, they critique the Cowboys' offensive inconsistencies, especially regarding CD Lamb's dropped passes, attributing them to a lack of concentration rather than injury.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [06:05]: "He dropped three of them. He had six targets. He had two catches."
• Ocho Cinco [06:53]: "That brown ball they call the Duke. You got to love that more than you love your family."

c. Future Prospects and Playoff Implications [09:04 - 21:19]

John and Ocho discuss the Cowboys' chances of making the playoffs, stressing the need to "run the table" given their upcoming challenging schedule, including a game against the Bengals on Monday night. They express skepticism over the Cowboys' ability to consistently perform against top-tier teams and highlight the possibility of facing cold-weather games, which historically hinder the Dolphins' performance.

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho Cinco [10:30]: “They doing. They going right."
• John Mittlekoff [09:43]: "If they were, if they would, if they had Kansas City's record and they are Buffalo's record with a chance to get home field throughout the Playoffs."

2. Coaching Discussions

a. Kyle Shanahan's Position [21:48 - 26:08]

The conversation shifts to NFL coaching dynamics, particularly focusing on Kyle Shanahan's rumored status on the hot seat despite the San Francisco 49ers' recent success, including winning the Super Bowl. Ocho questions the rationale behind Shanahan being criticized, considering his successful track record and recent contract extensions.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [24:03]: "Why are you saying he's on the hot seat?"
• Ocho Cinco [25:11]: “But just hearing the fact that Shanahan is even on a hot seat, we talk about one that's going to be sought after from every other team.”

b. Contract and Job Security [24:42 - 26:08]

They delve into the financial aspects of coaching contracts, noting that Shanahan signed a five-year extension, making his position more secure. They discuss the implications of potentially firing a head coach with a substantial contract and a solid team performance record.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [25:33]: “But you do know they play."
• Ocho Cinco [26:08]: “Ain't no telling.”

3. NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) Concerns

a. Larry Ellison's Involvement and NIL Risks [26:08 - 34:34]

John introduces the topic of NIL and discusses recent high-profile recruitment, highlighting Larry Ellison's $12 million investment and partnership with Barstool Sports and other brands for athlete endorsements. Ocho defends the evolution of NIL, arguing that it's a necessary progression for college athletes to monetize their talents, especially those unlikely to reach professional leagues.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [31:36]: “Larry Ellison is the second most wealthiest man in the world.”
• Ocho Cinco [32:06]: “But that's not, that's not... that's not.”

b. Potential Regulatory Impacts [34:10 - 35:38]

The hosts debate the need for regulating NIL to prevent disparities between wealthy and less affluent universities. John fears that without regulations, financial powerhouses will dominate college sports by securing top talent through lucrative deals, potentially undermining the competitive balance.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [34:10]: “They got a 12 million and he got a marketing deal.”
• Ocho Cinco [35:38]: “They make up the rules as they go. They do what they want to do.”

4. Q&A Session

a. Diverse Topics and Fan Questions [59:37 - 77:55]

In the latter half of the episode, John and Ocho engage in a dynamic Q&A segment, addressing a range of topics from specific game strategies, player performances, coaching decisions, to personal anecdotes about their experiences in football.

Notable Discussions:

• Heisman Trophy Debate: They debate why a defensive back like Travis Hunter, despite his impressive performance, was snubbed from the Jim Thorpe Award finalists. John challenges the criteria, questioning the inconsistency in award recognitions.

  • John Mittlekoff [38:34]: “It doesn’t make sense to me that a guy could possibly win the Heisman and he plays defensive back, but he’s not one of the best defensive back.”

• Player Relationships and Legacy: The hosts share personal stories about interactions with legendary figures like John Madden, emphasizing the importance of relationships and mentorship in sports.

  • John Mittlekoff [67:00]: “He was great behind the scenes. I never played.”

• Superstition and Rituals: Ocho shares superstitious practices related to game performances, reflecting on how personal rituals influence athletic performance.

  • Ocho Cinco [52:56]: “I went middle October all the way to the end of January before I got a haircut.”

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho Cinco [44:25]: “You have to make a decision.”
• John Mittlekoff [66:24]: “It all comes down to decision making.”

5. Closing Remarks

a. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes [77:55 - End]

As the episode wraps up, John and Ocho reflect on the day's discussions, express gratitude to listeners, and tease upcoming content. They also humorously engage with each other about potential moves and personal anecdotes, maintaining the show’s casual and engaging tone.

Notable Quotes:

• John Mittlekoff [76:10]: “Guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from.”
• Ocho Cinco [63:01]: “That's a route that's going to win 10 out of 10.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Cowboys' Performance: While the Cowboys showcased a strong defensive effort and revitalized their ground game, inconsistencies on offense and the upcoming challenging schedule raise questions about their playoff prospects.

• Coaching Stability: Kyle Shanahan's position remains secure despite external criticism, largely due to his recent contract extensions and successful team performance.

• NIL Evolution: The discussion highlighted the double-edged sword of NIL policies—providing financial opportunities for athletes while risking increased disparity among universities unless properly regulated.

• Fan Engagement: The Q&A segment underscored the hosts' deep knowledge of the game, their personal connections within the NFL, and their ability to engage with fans on diverse topics.

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This episode offers a comprehensive look into the current state of the NFL, the evolving dynamics of coaching and athlete compensation, and provides fans with in-depth analysis and candid conversations. For listeners seeking expert opinions and spirited discussions on football, "Nightcap - Hour 2" delivers substantial content worth tuning into.

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The Cowboys Defeated the Giants 27 20. Cowboys reignited the ground game. Excuse me. Securing their fourth 100 yard rush game of the season. Rico Dowdle led the way with a career high 112 yards on 22 carries. It's his first hundred yard game as a professional. It's also the Cowboys first by a player, a Cowboy player since Tony Pollard in week three of 2023. Datto also responsible for Cowboys first rushing attempt of at least 20 yards this year. The star of the Cowboys was the Marvion Overshawn. He secured both of Dallas turnovers, recovering a fumble reinforced by Eric Kendrick and on Tyrone and Tyrone Tracy and catching his own batted pass. And you know he ran that back for a pick six. Yeah, that was on. That was on Drew Locke because you see the guy right there you go open over the top. You don't throw it. You don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Hey listen, the Cowboys defensively they played very well. They played very, very well on the run pass game, man, they played. They played really well, especially at the point of attack. They were very physical up front, not allowing the Giants to have their way and impose their will. So I like what I saw from the Cowboys today, but can you do it against the better teams? Can you do it consistently against the teams that have winning records? That's where the issue comes into. Play for them. I didn't.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm hoping. I'm hoping everything is okay with CD Lamb. I see he left the game maybe late second, maybe early third quarter. Something wrong with the shoulder.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, you know he had that bruised rotator. What was the AC joint, but ain't got nothing. Oh, Joe. They got nothing to do with them dropping them down passes now. I ain't gonna let you do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. Okay.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. I ain't gonna let you do that. Blame that on his shoulder.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, I know you talking about the drag rap.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm talking about. He dropped three of them. He turned into a retriever. All he did was pick the ball up and hand it to the official. His job as a receiver, his job is to catch the ball, not to retrieve the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[John Mittlekoff]

He dropped three. He had six targets. He had two catches. Malik Neighbors, same thing for you, bro. Yeah, Y'all yapping about wanting the ball, but you're dropping it. He throw it to you, you throw it back at it. So, yeah, I saw CD get dragged out on his shoulder, but that wasn't why he's dropping those passes. That's lack of concentration.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely.

[John Mittlekoff]

Same thing with Malik neighbors.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I wasn't gonna bring up the drop balls, but since you.

[John Mittlekoff]

Why not? You got to.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know. Since you bought it, since you brought it to a head, them boys know you got. You got to catch that pill, baby. That's the. That's the money. That's your moneymaker. That's your moneymaker.

[John Mittlekoff]

That.

[Ocho Cinco]

That brown.

[John Mittlekoff]

That.

[Ocho Cinco]

That brown ball they call the Duke. You got to love that. You got to love that. You got to love that more than you love your family, because in order to feed your family, you got to catch that dude. They. They're going to be all right, though.

[John Mittlekoff]

We're going to.

[Ocho Cinco]

We're going to get that together. That ain't number Jug Machine after practice, even in week 12. The jug machine at the practice won't hurt.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about Malik. Neighbors is a rookie. What they got to do with you catching the ball? You caught the ball. If you Caught the ball. That's something you've been doing all your life. Ocho, we're not asking him to make spectacular catches. Like when they throw you the ball in the frame of your body, kid. That's all we ask it. No, no, we don't need no Odell Becker. We don't need nothing spectacular. When they throw you the ball, Ocho, you catch it. At some point in time, you got to realize everything is not meant to be a spectacular. Everything is not to be a. Meant to be a catch and run, Ocho, for 40 yards. You have to understand situation. You know what the most important thing here is to get this first down. Let me get this and get on the ground.

[Ocho Cinco]

Secure it.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, a lot of. If you look at cd What CD Try to do, he tried to get up wrong. Yeah, I, I, I know. I never seen a. I ain't never seen a catch. Get hit the ground first, right? If you drop it, it ain't a catch. Yeah, I don't care. Oh, you jumping up and down somebody. Oh, I'll be gone. Hey, and you would have, but you're not. You're going, you're going. Back to the huddle. Come on, guys. I get looks, everybody. It was no sun today. Ain't nobody complaining about no son, Ocho. Ain't no son.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, it wasn't out. It wasn't out. It wasn't out. Just. Hey. A small lack of concentration. Split second taking your eyes off the ball.

[John Mittlekoff]

But Ocho, normally when you have one of those drops early, what do you do? You concentrate. You focus even more. Yeah, it seems like CD He. He laughs. Concentration. He laughs even more because after that point, Ocho, he didn't catch another pass.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Cooper rush was 21 to 36, 195, one touchdown. Like you said, they ran the ball, ocho. Basically about 4 yards of carry. They had 32 carries.

[Ocho Cinco]

That ain't bad. That ain't bad.

[John Mittlekoff]

Nah, you can live.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not the greatest, but it ain't bad.

[John Mittlekoff]

Look, you can only beat who's on your schedule. We know the Giants aren't very good, right? But we've seen the Cowboys lose games like this before also, so give them credit for keeping focus on a short week. Not still celebrating the victory in Washington, coming out there handling their business today. When you get two. String two together, now you get. Now you get about five or six days off before you get ready for the next Sunday. You still look everything you. You're gonna probably need to run the table, Ocho, in order to get one of the. Get one of these playoff spots. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wild card.

[John Mittlekoff]

You getting three teams out of the nfc. North, Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit. So there's only one spot left, right? Cowboys, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, there's one problem.

[John Mittlekoff]

Huh? What?

[Ocho Cinco]

And that goes for all Cowboys fans in the chat I have. This is no disrespect to y'all. Yeah, the Cowboys do need to run the table to have a. A chance at a spot. You knew. You do know they play. You know they play the Bengals Monday night, right? In Jerry's world, right?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure you understand what they got. What they got coming up.

[John Mittlekoff]

Y'all defense. Y'all defense terrible. Y'all might do something. Y'all better be able to block. Can y'all block Nicky front?

[Ocho Cinco]

Huh?

[John Mittlekoff]

Can y'all block the front?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. We're gonna be fine. You know, Joe. Joe, don't let Joe get the ball out of his hands quick anyway. And matter of fact, we gonna. We gonna run. We gon establish the run first. Get them, boy. Get the front tied up there. Michael Parson is going to be frustrated. You know, he going. He going to get mad because the ball is going to be coming out one.

[John Mittlekoff]

Boom.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's gone.

[John Mittlekoff]

Hold on, Cowboy fans. What are y'all talking about? Y'all going to win the division. Y'all two and one. Do y'all understand the Eagles record?

[Ocho Cinco]

They trying. They trying to get a reaction out of you.

[John Mittlekoff]

Ocho. This the delusion. This is why Jerry's how he is, because he know his fans are gullible. They're the loot. They're the loot. They're gonna believe anything that he sells them, and it serves them right. I'll be glad. I'll be glad when it's like, in like three weeks when they get put out of their misery. And then what they gonna say, wait the next year and I'll be right here. Guess what? Nightcap will be right here next in 25, 26, 27. Yeah, and y'all still ain't going nowhere. But look, like I said, Ocho, you could only beat who's on your schedule. Yeah, not a. Like I said, we've seen the Cowboys lose games like this before. Yes, sir, they won today. Give them credit for that. I thought they ran the ball extremely well. The defense got after Drew Lock, made it very, very tough. I mean, think about. Ocho, they. I mean, they ran the ball 21 times for 116 yards. That's. Hey, that's all five yards of carry.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, that's. That's enough to beat the Giants. Let's. Let's. No, let's keep.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm saying. I'm saying the giants rush for 21 for 116.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I'm. Okay, okay. I'm saying. Is it. Doubt him. That's his last name.

[John Mittlekoff]

No, no, no. I'm saying. No, The Cowboys rushed 32 for 122.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

The Giants rushed 21 for 116.

[Ocho Cinco]

But what about putting it in the air, huh?

[John Mittlekoff]

But here's the thing, though, Ocho. You gave up a scooping score. I mean, you gave up a pick six.

[Ocho Cinco]

Pick six.

[John Mittlekoff]

And you gave up in another fumble. So there you go right there.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's the game.

[John Mittlekoff]

You basically played him to a standstill on offense. But when you turn the ball over, I mean, what. What do you expect to happen?

[Ocho Cinco]

You pay double for that.

[John Mittlekoff]

You do. The last game of the night, Ocho, the Packers defeated the Dolphins.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, man, I'm mad, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

Ocho, what you mad for? Y'all been terrible. Y'all been terrible when the weather drops below 30 degrees. Even before you was born.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what I'm mad about. We ain't played. Listen, even when Dan Marino was there, the Dolphins, we just do not play well when it comes to cold weather. And most of the time, when we make it to the playoffs, when we do have opportunity to go to the playoffs, we always have to go somewhere where it's cold, whether it be Buffalo. Every time we go to Buffalo in December, what happens every time we make it to the playoffs and have to play Buffalo, what happens? Yeah, time we in cold weather. I don't know what it is.

[John Mittlekoff]

We don't know what it is. Y'all done played the coldest game y'all had played in Miami, 77 degrees. The other cold game was 50 something in Buffalo. And then all of a sudden, you get into the 20s and you talk about. You don't know what happened.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, this is what's always been happening. It's been our Achilles. I keep saying our, you know, people in the chat. I'm from Miami. I'm from Liberty City. I was born in Dade county at Jackson Morgan Hospital. So when my team growing up as a little kid was the Miami Dolphins, you know, the Marks brothers, Marino, anyway. But I consider myself. I always say we. I don't know what it is about the cold weather. And it's been this way.

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[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, I know what it is. I know what you're trying to say. I'm just saying, at what point are we going to get over the hump where we perform just as well as we do when it's hot in the goddamn cold?

[John Mittlekoff]

When you get over the hump.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't. I don't know, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

When you go learn how to drive. When you learn how to drive.

[Ocho Cinco]

I.

[John Mittlekoff]

Don'T know what you want to tell you. Just got to do it, Ocho. You just got to do it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Can I drive as efficient as I can in the heat, as I do in the snow? That's the question.

[John Mittlekoff]

No, because it's a different type of driving in snowy conditions than it is in the summertime. You don't drive the same in Georgia as you do in Colorado, as you do in New York, as you do in Baltimore, as you do in upstate New York or Michigan or Philadelphia. You don't.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, you know, when it comes to. When it comes to playing football, it ain't no goddamn different. I didn't play to Nicole. I didn't play in the cold. I know what you're doing. It's still the same game, huh? It's still the same game.

[John Mittlekoff]

It's the same thing. When Cincinnati played that cold game back in the early 80s and they got San Diego and the temperature went to 59 degrees. One team is used to playing in cold weather, Ocho. Y'all practice in cold weather.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm not breaking news to anybody. There is a difference.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

That ball. That ball is harder. It feels like a brick. Normally, the wind is blowing. So now all of a sudden, the ball playing tricks on it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Well, hell, Dolphins are gonna have to figure that out.

[Ocho Cinco]

The ball wasn't playing tricks on the.

[John Mittlekoff]

Packers because the plaque is practicing that. So how you. How do you get cold? I want you to tell me this. How do you get cold weather in Miami? So you can practice in 20 degrees?

[Ocho Cinco]

You can't. It's impossible. It's impossible to emulate it.

[John Mittlekoff]

It's impossible because. Let me ask you a question. I don't know how y'all used to do it, but when they had turf fields, we would go inside the dome and practice on turf. So we get used. Because you run different on turf than you do grass.

[Ocho Cinco]

Grass. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. You on turf. You much got damn faster, too.

[John Mittlekoff]

I don't know about all that. I know my knees hurt, my hips hurt, and my back hurt from running on that hard ass.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Hold up. What about falling?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, but it was. It was concrete. It ain't like the. The stuff the Field church they got now, that was concrete with a layoff carpet on it. Man. Playing in the old Vet, Cincinnati was terrible, too.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. Kansas City was terrible, too.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I heard about them staying in the.

[John Mittlekoff]

Old Astrodome was awful also.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Like I said, there were no field term when I first everything, you know, they had artificial turf. Kansas City, Cincinnati, the Astrodome. Who? The vet. The vet was the word. The Vet was the worst. That was the worst stadium. Every year it was voted the worst. The worst stadium.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm trying to think that. I think Soldier, the Soulja Field. I think Soulja Field had turf early on and they, they, they, they went to Grabs later, if I'm not mistaken.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

But also they're just going to have to find a way to get past that. They got. They're going to have to tool with 37 to 46. 355, 365, 2. Touchdown. Really got lucky on one. That ball popped up. You know, normally.

[Ocho Cinco]

Smith.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. He hit John Newton. Yeah. Got a great jump on the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

But you know, normally that ball popping there like that, Ocho going the other way. It's a pick. It's a pick. But give Tyreek credit. He kept his. He followed through, kept his head in the game. I mean, what. They have almost 400 yards of offense.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

I don't know how much I take to that, Ocho, because they had to throw. They throw in the whole game. They're behind for the most part by three scores the entire night.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

So. But they've got to find a way, Ocho. They got to start faster in these cold games because, you know, like when you. It's psychological, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right, right.

[John Mittlekoff]

You go in the cold weather game and all of a sudden you find yourself down. Ocho, you down two scores, you're down three scores and it get colder.

[Ocho Cinco]

Then you gotta think. You think the muff. The muff punt.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

They recover already. Already in territory. They score. So they go up and you put yourself behind the eight ball. You put yourself behind the eight ball and now you're playing from behind right away, not giving yourself a chance against a really good team, a very good Green Bay packers team. That don't make it no easier.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. John New Smith has put together his last. His last month has been really, really impressive. He's had a couple hundred yard games.

[Ocho Cinco]

They get involved.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. Yeah. I always thought. I thought he was good. You know, they kind of used him as a blocker when he was in Tennessee, and then I think he went to New England And Tom Brady wasn't there. So they don't know how to use the tight ends like Brady knew how to use the tight end. But again, Jordan Love was sensational throwing the ball. 21 of 28, 274 Two touchdown. Kraft was involved. Watson, Reed, he didn't have very many, you know, targets. I mean he had six, three catches, 24 yards, two touchdowns. But you know one thing about the pack, they got a bunch of young, good ride receivers, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Young boys, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

And you know who they remind you of? You know they a Green Bay drafted receiver. Remind you of the Steelers. You remember Steelers had that run and they still do drafting receivers, right. You know you had Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, you have a Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace. Yes, yes. All those, all those guys, you know you had Hines, you had Randall L. And you had Black and you had San Antonio Holmes.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's just like a pipeline receivers. You know what's so funny? The packers receivers so young, I call it, I call it, they like, they like a fraternity. It's like they still in college. A bunch of college boys just happen to be playing in the NFL on the same goddamn team. That's how young them boys, that's what they remind me of, a bunch of frat boys playing receiver for the Packers.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yep. But the Dolphins ojo if they really like I said, and that's the thing that concerned me and that's why I can't take them serious because they're not going to have home field and you're going to have to go someplace. It's cold in Kansas City in January. It's cold in Buffalo in January. It's cold in Baltimore in January, it's cold in Pittsburgh in January. So any possible place that they can be if Cincinnati is Cincinnati, I mean whatever the case may be, it's cold in the places that it could possibly, they could possibly have to go play.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

And so that's what's concerning. That's what's really concerning to me. Denver. If Denver, you know, Denver look like they're going to probably could possibly be a wild card. It get, it gets cold in Denver. Trust me, I played 12 years there in January. It's cold as hell. Yeah. And so that's the thing, Ocho. That's why it's hard for me to take them serious when people say are they, are they, can they be a contender?

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, if they were, if they would, if they had Kansas City's record and they are Buffalo's record with a chance to get home field throughout the Playoffs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right, right.

[John Mittlekoff]

But having to go on the road.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

If you notice there's a reason why they've only. You know, and I think probably when they, when they went to the super bowl back in the 70s, they probably had home field and it forced Pittsburgh or one of the other AFC teams, maybe whomever they faced, you had to come there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

But all I know is that since I've been old enough to watch Dolphins play, anytime they had to go to Buffalo or they had to go to a cold weather Denver or cold weather Kansas City, they ain't coming out there with no victory.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, I remember. You got.

[John Mittlekoff]

You're not coming out with no victory.

[Ocho Cinco]

I remember watching as a kid, it was, it was the same way.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So damn.

[John Mittlekoff]

Look, I think the Cowboys gonna rate.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. Now I'm gonna say then I think about it, that was a good slate of game today.

[John Mittlekoff]

I mean the Giants and the Cowboys ain't no good. Slater games don't stop.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, maybe not the Cowboys Giants. But I enjoy the packers game. Obviously on the end of the packers and the cheese heads because they the way they look. But they got them Chicago Bears and Lions game. That was exciting. I thought the Lions was getting ready to run away with it for a minute.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Opportunity to run away and really extend that lead in that second quarter. But after halftime, the Bears made it interesting.

[John Mittlekoff]

Now they did. I think the thing that really hurt them, they looked like they was about to go put seven or worst case scenario, three on the board when Gibbs fumbled.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Now it would have been over, right? Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Now all of a sudden it's a 23, three ball game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bingo.

[John Mittlekoff]

But give the Bears what I liked about the Bears. They came out of the half Ocho, and they needed a touchdown in the worst way. They needed that because if they don't get a touchdown there, Detroit gets the ball. Detroit goes down. They got a touchdown. And so now you're already behind and you had the ball for six, seven minutes and you didn't have anything to show for it. Right. I. The Bears showed me some resiliency. But that bone head played by the coach, that's an unforgivable oo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Because he's had too many of them. He's had too many of them. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Deebo Samuel responds to the idea that Kyle Shanahan should be on the hot seat Super Bowl, NFC Championship year. After that NFC championship again, last year's Super Bowl. Why are you saying he's on the hot seat?

[Ocho Cinco]

He doesn't understand how the business Works. But just hearing, hearing the fact that Shanahan is even on a hot seat, we talk about one that's going to be sought after from every other team. I wish you would let someone like Shanahan go and allow his staff and that office to go somewhere else, especially go somewhere else that has a, has a quarterback, have a decent quarterback at that. Then he going to build the same exact thing with that same exact offense. Give him a quarterback. Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Didn't he just sign the extension letter?

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, in this business, you know, when something like this comes out, you know what's coming from inside the house. Right. The call is coming from inside the house when stuff like this comes out.

[John Mittlekoff]

How many years was it because he had like a year left on the contract, so he signed a five year extension because he had like a six year, a six or seven year deal to begin with.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, man. You know, you know, you know how this NFL lives.

[John Mittlekoff]

So this, yeah. What's he making? Eight, nine a year? Because he had, he had a contract that was like six years. 42 million.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Rightfully so though.

[John Mittlekoff]

Right? Also 14 a year. Yeah, right, right. You do realize, you do realize, Ocho, like when you get rid of the head coach, his whole staff, he ain't got, he ain't got guys on one year deals.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

He signed through 2027.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

25, 26, 27. So that's three years. That's 42 million. I don't think he's on the hot seat considering he just, the man just came off the Super Bowl.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, I, I, I know, but you know how you, you know how, how fickle the NFL is? You know how fickle.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's not, that's not, that's not New York family, they don't operate like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

But then it would, it wouldn't be out that something like this wouldn't even leak. You heard me. Where there's, where there's smoke. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Stuff like this comes from inside the house, always.

[John Mittlekoff]

Well, it ain't coming from John lynch because John lynch got the job because of Kyle Shanahan. So who is it? Ned York?

[Ocho Cinco]

Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling.

[John Mittlekoff]

Hey, well, good luck with that one. He'd be unemployed. He'd be unemployed all the like one hour.

[Ocho Cinco]

Shoot. One hour. 30 minutes. 30 minutes. If that.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

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[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, Joe. Details have emerged of Bryce Underwood. Flip to Michigan Oracle. Larry Ellison pointed up the reported $12 million. Dave Portnoy gave him a marketing deal with Barstool. Tom Brady had numerous conversations with him. This is how the crate. This is now the crazy is recruitment story of all time. Is nil headed to a dangerous territory? Larry Ellison is the second second most wealthiest man in the world.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Behind Elon Musk.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I mean, no, it's not headed to dangerous territory. Listen, you got to evolve. You got to evolve with the times. Listen, these are the times that we're in right now similar to that of the NFL. It's become a business. It's just become a business now at the collegiate level, a time where before you remember college players, huh? They was having A steal. They were having a steal just to eat. They was having to steal just to put clothes on their back. Now they have an opportunity as young men to earn a living, especially those that might not make it to the Lexus level, for those that might not make it to the next level. And that. That's all it comes down to. That's all it comes down to.

[John Mittlekoff]

How many, how many, how many, how many universities got a Larry Ellison as a booster?

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, not, not very many. Not very many. But that's not, that's not.

[John Mittlekoff]

He's the second. None of them.

[Ocho Cinco]

None of them.

[John Mittlekoff]

Because he's the second wealthiest man in the world, so ain't none of them got Larry Ellison.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, but if that, if that's the case, then everybody named Mama will go to Michigan. But that's not. That's not the case. Nil has even the playing field for all schools.

[John Mittlekoff]

But what, what happened? They were paying players too. But the teams that had the most money, what did they keep up end up doing?

[Ocho Cinco]

Getting the best players.

[John Mittlekoff]

Thank you. So now whoever has the most money, who gonna get the best player? So guess what? You're gonna flip it again. You're gonna be right back to square one. What? You said, What? You said you didn't want to be Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

I. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's gonna, it's gonna work like that. Even, Even with someone like Larry Ellison. That's a part of Michigan. I don't, I still don't think Michigan is a place where people are going to go, you know what? I'm going to Mission because Larry Ellison is going to pay me. No, no, Ocho.

[John Mittlekoff]

What kid, what kid is going to turn down 12? And this was 12. Hell, it might be 20.

[Ocho Cinco]

Every kid coming out ain't going to be worthy of no 12. So we can, we can stop right there.

[John Mittlekoff]

Here's the thing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on now.

[John Mittlekoff]

Every kid ain't going to be a five star or one of the most sought after players in college.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right? Right? Yeah. Listen, dime a dozen now. Dime a dozen every so often a quarterback that's special like that, to be able to command and warrant that kind of money is gonna come. They not, they not falling out the trees like that.

[John Mittlekoff]

They're gonna end up catching.

[Ocho Cinco]

What you mean?

[John Mittlekoff]

Because now he got a 12 million and he got a marketing deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah, most definitely, man. Get everything you can, boy. Get everything.

[John Mittlekoff]

I got no problem with it. Yeah, but they're gonna have to. They're gonna have to. Listen, you're gonna have to put parameters on it because you know, when you don't put guardrails on something, it goes over the rails, Ocho. It goes off the cliff.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't like the parameters.

[John Mittlekoff]

You got to.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why?

[John Mittlekoff]

Because you can't have it like the wild, wild west. It has to be organized. It has to be regulated.

[Ocho Cinco]

But why? We don't regulate the universities and how much they able to make off the players? We don't regulate them doing that. Now the players have opportunity to make money off their license. Now we want to regulate it.

[John Mittlekoff]

No, it's the same thing with alcohol. What happened with marijuana when they found out a way to tax it? What did they do, Ocho?

[Ocho Cinco]

They legalized it.

[John Mittlekoff]

Ta da. Thank you. See, I was just waiting for you to say, listen. But they had to be. There had to be regulations.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, it didn't have to be regulation. They regulated when they found a way they could monetize off of it. So wait a minute. Listen to me. Stay with me real quick. Now, there was a time where the players got nothing. And the only person that monetized off the players likeness was universities. Now the players are making the money and not having to give anything to the universities. Now we want to regulate it so top university so the universities can monetize again.

[John Mittlekoff]

Stop saying that, Ocho. Top players always got money.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Hey, everything okay?

[John Mittlekoff]

Okay, you're right. You right. I think what's going to happen is that Congress is going to intervene and they're going to say, because, you know, somebody's going to get mad because eventually somebody going to get mad because they lost somebody. And it's going to be somebody powerful that has some. That has some pool. And then guess what, Ocho? Because a lot of times how they look, the player that's making his money, how they look.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, I got you.

[John Mittlekoff]

You know what's coming.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got you.

[John Mittlekoff]

You know what's coming.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got you.

[John Mittlekoff]

Hey. All I know is, hey, I was going here, Ocho, this other school over here got 6 million for me. Do you know what? 6 million. Do you know what? $12 million this kid here. $12 million might be great for this kid to rest here. Hey, and he got a marketing deal. I will live on campus. I will live on campus as long as I could. Because I know my brother went to the league, Ocho. He like, man, you want to live off campus? I sure do not. Savannah State provide room and board for free. Yeah, I ain't trying to pay no. 4, 5, 600. Boy, that's money in my pocket, Right. I would go eat in the cafeteria, take my ass in the cafeteria, eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'm going to shower and I'm going to stay in the dorm with the rest of the team, right? And save my money. That's what I would do to stay right there in that dorm, eat that dorm food. It ain't all that bad. Then I go off every campus every once in a while, get me a nice little meal. But oh, man, please. I believe I'm. I'm a lead. I will lead with six and a half. I believe in half. With six and a half. Seven million in my pocket.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, for sure.

[John Mittlekoff]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like it.

[John Mittlekoff]

But the regulations go come we talk about travel again. Oh, that's old. Coach Brian goes off on Travis Hunter snub for the Jim Thorpe Award. Time blasted the fact that Travis Hunter not selected as a finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award, saying the omission was idiotic and devalued the integrity of the war Has Travis snubbed by the Thorpe Award. You can have my award. You can have mine back. Matter of fact, I'm going to give it mine. I ain't using it just sitting up there collecting dust. So Travis can have my Thorpe Award. Because if it ain't the most idiotic thing in college football, if he's not a finalist for the Jim Thorpe Award, and he. And he is, I would say arguably, but I don't think I'm really arguably about the young man being the best defensive back in college football. It just looks bad. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

The kid win the Heisman, the Heisman Trophy. He's a defensive back. He's also a receiver. And you mean to tell me he's not one of the best three DBs in the country?

[Ocho Cinco]

We already know he is, actually. We know he's the best db, and that's why prime planted that seed maybe two or three weeks ago when he was in front of the media and understanding how they were going to play games, how they were going to play games based on how they feel about him, allowing their disdain and disgust for him personally to affect the success of the players on the team that are deserving of the accolades and what they've done this year in being the best player offensively and defensively on the field. He's already said it. So again, everything is coming to a head that he knew they were going to do. He knew they were going to do this.

[John Mittlekoff]

It doesn't make sense to me now. He's nominated as one of the best defensive. I think it's Nagursky Award, which is the best college defensive player, but not the best. So he wanted the best college defense. Isn't. Isn't DB a defensive player? I thought that's what. I could be wrong, Ocho, but I thought DB was on the defensive side of the football. And because we've seen DB's win defensive player of the Year, we saw Stephon Gilmore. Prime won it. Rod Wilson won it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Who else won it? I think Charles Woodson won it. Rod Woodson won it. So we've seen DBs win defensive player of the Year, which means they were the best defensive player that year. Okay, so you mean to tell me this man could possibly win the Heisman, he's a finalist for the Nagursky Award. Yeah, but he's not a finalist for the Thorpe Award.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they do, you know, they make their own rules. Huh? When you. When you're in positions of power like that and you're able to control the narrative, this is the type of stuff they pull. This is the type of stuff they're able to pull.

[John Mittlekoff]

I mean, come on, Ojo. I mean, you probably. Did Charles Wilson win the Thorpe Award? He probably did. Did what? He went to Thorpe Award because he won the highest one. I'm sure he did.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Because he was the best defensive player that year.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Funny.

[John Mittlekoff]

I mean, the guy got.

[Ocho Cinco]

Funny how that works.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. So I don't know, it just. It just seems. It just seems. It doesn't make sense to me that a guy could possibly win the Heisman and he plays defensive back, but he's not one of the best defensive back. He could win the. He could win possibly the best defensive player of the year, but he's not the best db. So how did I try to figure out how did Myles Garrett win Defensive Player of the Year, but he's not one of the best defensive linemen.

[Ocho Cinco]

They make up the rules as they go. They do what they want to do.

[John Mittlekoff]

Clearly, they'll make it up the rules as they go. Ocho Wallet Hub released the. Released the latest, most sinful cities in America, okay? Oh, man, how y'all do this to me, Ocho? Number one, Las Vegas. Number two.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, Las Vegas is Sin City, so you should already know that. What goes in Vegas.

[John Mittlekoff]

Look at Houston.

[Ocho Cinco]

Vegas?

[John Mittlekoff]

What's Houston? What's number two? Los Angeles.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[John Mittlekoff]

Number three, Atlanta.

[Ocho Cinco]

But Atlanta's a jungle. Boy. That's black Hollywood. Atlanta's a jungle.

[John Mittlekoff]

You got Philly, Denver, Colorado. Why all These. All these places that I live.

[Ocho Cinco]

But you got a lot, y'all.

[John Mittlekoff]

What? Oh, Joe. And they want to know why I am, how I am.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right? Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

I like I am whatever you say I am. If I wasn't, why would I say I am? They tainted me. Phoenix, Arizona. Miami, Florida. Yep. Miami. Ocho, that's your home.

[Ocho Cinco]

But I don't go outside, so you got nothing to worry about.

[John Mittlekoff]

Dallas, Texas, in St. Louis, Missouri. I don't know what's kicking off in St. Louis.

[Ocho Cinco]

True. The lunatic.

[John Mittlekoff]

Nobody doing no. Hey, first of all, nobody kissing under the ark. Don't know what it is y'all thinking, Chad. What y'all think about that?

[Ocho Cinco]

Man, I. I like the list, but I wouldn't have Vegas as number one. I would have Houston as number one.

[John Mittlekoff]

You just said Vegas is known as Sin City.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they've.

[John Mittlekoff]

How could somebody be known as Sin City?

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, it's different, though. Vegas has been Sin City for years. It's been for years. But Houston and Atlanta is a different world. Now, we done been to Houston. Now, I don't go to Houston often. I've been there maybe maybe four times in my life. I've been. I've been Atlanta maybe five. I don't frequent those places often because I understand that's the devil's playground. And one thing about the devil, as much as I love God, it ain't. It don't take much to backslide when you're in the wrong situation. Okay. I know my limits. I understand my limits. So I keep myself out of areas where I can get myself in trouble.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yes. That's Ocho. Why you think I stay inside? Plug it up. Yes. Like Clint Eastwood said, every man gotta know his limitations. Everybody got a vice. Mine is the opposite of nice.

[Ocho Cinco]

Can you see me?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, hold on. It's called sight.

[Ocho Cinco]

I can't see you, though. Hold on. My computer. Hold on. Oh, there you go. You know, I. I can see you now.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, I saw you all along.

[Ocho Cinco]

And when I. When I plugged it up, it went to. To the loading screen. Yeah. This a good topic right here. Boy. You know, them city. Them cities ain't nothing to play with, man. You know? You know, when you get old, as you get older, you know, you understand your limits. You understand what you can and what you can't do. And you don't put yourself in certain situations that. That can hurt you, you know?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You have to make a decision. Now. I've been working on my discipline. I've been working on my discipline real well now. I'M not saying I'm the best. I walk with Christ, but I know if I walk through the mud, I might come out dirty. So I do my best to stay out the mud. You hear me?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, I know it might be raining. I know it might be raining, so I don't. I don't take my umbrella. I just stay inside the house because I don't want to get wet. You with me?

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm with you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yes, I do.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, come on, now.

[John Mittlekoff]

Hey. I mean. Hey, hey, listen, I'm not.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm not the best.

[John Mittlekoff]

You ain't wrong when you're right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, I'm not. I'm not the best in the world. I'm not perfect. I know it's ten commandments. Ain't. It's ten commandments. I might not get all ten right, but eight of them, I ate of them. They're gonna be. They're gonna be beautiful. Make sure.

[John Mittlekoff]

It all depends what those other two are.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, listen. Hey, hey, hey. I had to preach. I had to preach. The one over here, you know, who's. Who's.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, on the.

[Ocho Cinco]

In. In there. You know, I'm. Come on, now. I'm human. I'm human. One of the greater things that you will always love about me is the good will always outweigh the bad. Before you make any rational decisions like you made before, I want you to always remember that the good always outweighs the bad. And nothing is better than a trying man.

[John Mittlekoff]

Well, you know, I tell what we do. Me and you gonna move to Houston. I'm gonna keep an eye on you. You keep an eye on me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nah, nah, nah, you ain't.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's a no go for me. I was talking to my daughter today. I was like. I'm like, babe, what you think If I move? She's like, daddy, I don't want to.

[Ocho Cinco]

Fuck that.

[John Mittlekoff]

Hey, you know.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know that. Listen, you know what I do like about Houston, though? I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you. I like the move. I like the idea. I like the thought. I'm thinking about how much house you get in Houston. You get a bang for your buck.

[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, you get. Oh, you. Oh, you talk about the structure. I thought you talked about another type of brick house. Oh, my bad. I misunderstood you. My bad. Ocho, you talk about a physical, you talk about a building, a structure. Okay, okay, okay. I just misled. We ought to say okay. Now, I see what you put down. Okay? Because for a Second. I'm like, okay, let me rewind. Rewind. Press pause here for a second. Rewind this. And now I'm gonna hit play. Now I get what you saying. Okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I don't want no part of that. I don't want no part of that.

[John Mittlekoff]

You right, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

Sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you got to.

[John Mittlekoff]

Sometimes. Sometimes you just have to admire things from a distance, right? You like that? Man, I see cars like, man, that's a really nice car. I just admire from a distance. I'm like, my man, this. You like? Yeah, you. Like I said, I love it. Sometimes you just. Hey, you just buy from the dislike. Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

But hey, Houston.

[Ocho Cinco]

Houston, Atlanta. Listen, Houston in Atlanta is like going by the car lot, right? Going by the car. You can see it and you know it looked nice. And you can enjoy it using your visuals and your peripheral vision. Yeah, I don't need to go in there and test drive.

[John Mittlekoff]

Now.

[Ocho Cinco]

The younger me, the younger me, I'm gonna pull over and I'm gonna go and I'm gonna talk to. I'm gonna talk to the owner.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. Hey, what type of financing can I get? Because I got good credit. Is it zero down? Zero down and zero interest, Man, I know me. Hey, hey.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

Damn. Every time we mention Houston. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no, sir.

[John Mittlekoff]

No, no. Absolutely not, George. Like, I ain't moved. I don't move enough. I don't move three times in inside a year. I ain't moving no more. Listen, if y'all. If y'all move again. Y'all owe y'all. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

We don't know if this is true, but this is what we reported. A woman left with a twenty thousand dollar hospital bill after her husband refused to acknowledge her on his insurance. After she refused to name the son Junior.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Bring that to me one more time.

[John Mittlekoff]

I guess she was supposed to name the son Junior. He was expecting her to name the son Junior, but because she didn't, he removed her from his insurance. And so now she has a $20,000 insurance bill.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't even blame him.

[John Mittlekoff]

What you mean you don't blame him?

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't even blame him. Now, you having my first son. You heard him. You having my child, you having my boy and my lineage, my family lineage on my first child. He's not a Junior. Like, what are you doing?

[John Mittlekoff]

You ain't got no Chad Junior.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, Chad Junior. Arizona State, remember?

[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, okay.

[Home Depot Representative]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Senior. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah, you Know, and just come on. That goes without saying. Matter of fact, the wife or the missus in this case, in this scenario, she should want that for her son. But no, what she wants to do with her way and what she envisions. Hey, that's. That's. That's.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's. That's.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's what's right. That's about doing what's right.

[John Mittlekoff]

My daddy want to make a man.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're having a child from allowing him to have his junior. That ain't asking much.

[John Mittlekoff]

Do I look like a junior?

[Ocho Cinco]

You?

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah. My daddy wanted to be junior so bad. My mama say not. Not this one, no. Hell, no. Play that. My mama, man, look here, man. My mom, she got too much of my granddaddy hurt. My mom ran, and my mom did. She named all of us, y'all. He have no say. Not one name he picked out, right? So here it is, right? Shara, Sterling and Shannon.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's it. That's it. And I look. I look exactly like my dad. October. The only difference is my dad had an app. Had an afro. Had a fro.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey. You should throw your pro out, man.

[John Mittlekoff]

You crazy, man. My grandfather rolled over in the grave. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I mean, this is. I mean, people would erect. They're like, huh? I wouldn't even know how to. I wouldn't even know how my look if my hair would have grown. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Chad. Somebody make a do it. AI.

[John Mittlekoff]

I mean, I Baltimore the longest I ever went without a haircut. I went October, see? October, November, December, January. I went, like, four months without getting a haircut.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why? Because y'all was losing.

[John Mittlekoff]

We were losing.

[Ocho Cinco]

I knew it. I knew it. I knew you was gonna say that.

[John Mittlekoff]

We started losing. And then the barber came. I brought my barber up from Atlanta, so he started cutting my hair. But if we lost, I was like, nah, you can't come back. He. I said, you come back. I mean, I let him come back because he was from Harrisburg, right? Which is Richard, like, 40 miles from Baltimore. And so I would let him come up, you know, he. I get him a rental car. Hey, you need you. Hey, no, I want no cut. He bring his clippers just in case, right? He drive. He drive to Hasburg. He come back for the game, drive to the airport. That was it. So I went from, like, middle of October all the way to the end of January before I got a haircut. Now, I'm very superstitious.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like that.

[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, no, no, no. My grandfather. No, my grandfather, they play that either. The long hair? My grandfather had a part. Me and my brother had parts. No.

[Ocho Cinco]

All right. Ocho, get a boosie fade.

[John Mittlekoff]

This is what I got. I gotta. Look, man, you know, I gotta get a cut tomorrow. I gotta call the guy tomorrow because, you know, what's tomorrow?

[Ocho Cinco]

What's tomorrow?

[John Mittlekoff]

Friday.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know, but where you going?

[John Mittlekoff]

I ain't going nowhere. Go to hell if I don't start praying more.

[Ocho Cinco]

So what you get? What you getting the haircut for if you ain't going nowhere?

[John Mittlekoff]

Damn. I can't get no haircut.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, just. You getting a haircut just to get a haircut for no reason. And you ain't got nowhere to go?

[John Mittlekoff]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh.

[John Mittlekoff]

I mean, I normally get a haircut twice a week. Damn. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Your shit grow fast.

[John Mittlekoff]

It does. But, you know, I like a little presentable.

[Ocho Cinco]

For who?

[John Mittlekoff]

You never know. I might move. I might. All of a sudden, I might move to Houston. Don't let y'all know. I might be doing the show remote.

[Ocho Cinco]

But listen, if you. If you. If you move to Houston, if you go to Houston, I move to Houston, too.

[John Mittlekoff]

Huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

You move to Houston, I move to Houston, too.

[John Mittlekoff]

You ain't moving to Houston. I'm not. I'm not moving. Okay, well, I'm not moving to Houston.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't moving either, then.

[John Mittlekoff]

I understood. Ocho. I know Shannon. I know me. I know me better than anybody.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right, right, right, right.

[John Mittlekoff]

I'm not putting myself into that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right, right.

[John Mittlekoff]

Man, please.

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[John Mittlekoff]

That's half our last segment. Q and A. Q and A.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, who play tomorrow? Who play tomorrow? Huh?

[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, the Ravens play Phillies. The big game tomorrow. I mean, not tomorrow. Kansas City played the Raiders. The Raiders. Okay, but I thought, I'm thinking today, Saturday.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[John Mittlekoff]

Black Friday game is the Raiders go to the Chiefs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hold on, hold on. Speaking of Black Friday, you going shopping tomorrow? It starts.

[John Mittlekoff]

Shelly might. Shelley might shop.

[Ocho Cinco]

It started this morning, right? Or am I tripping? I got it wrong?

[John Mittlekoff]

No, it's Black Friday today. Thursday.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm saying it start five in the morning today.

[John Mittlekoff]

It might start at midnight.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I think I'm going. I'm going.

[John Mittlekoff]

Well, yeah, if you can shop on84.com. I mean we got Black Friday sales.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah, yeah. Hey, make sure y'all go on84.com man. Get what you need. Get what you need. Yeah, I'm going to Target after this then.

[John Mittlekoff]

Colorado plays tomorrow. Colorado plays Oklahoma State tomorrow.

[Ocho Cinco]

On a Friday.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, I like that.

[John Mittlekoff]

They normally would play. They normally would play Nebraska. That used to be the game. Colorado, Nebraska.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[John Mittlekoff]

The day after Thanksgiving.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, we got, we got, we got some good games there.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, they do. We do. We do. I mean the kid, the Kansas City game, but I think that's an early game. What time that game? Come on. Three Kansas City. Okay. Yeah. Oh, you would know what time yet after the Colorado game? 9am Damn. Who playing 9am Colorado playing 9am West coast time, which will be 11am Their time.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. So for me, what time that is?

[John Mittlekoff]

10. 10. Because they're mount. They're mountain. They're mountain. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

So that's 12 o'clock here.

[John Mittlekoff]

Okay, five. We're only at 5:00pm Pacific. 8. 8:00pm Eastern.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay.

[John Mittlekoff]

All right, Ocho, it's time for our last segment of the evening. Evening. It's time for Q and A. We already did it. We run it again. Felix speaks that. Thanks, Nightcap. This is amazing for these athletes to commit on Nightcap. Let's go. Unconocho. Yes. And thank you, Coach prime, for making this happen. We appreciate that anytime we can assist. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. Thank you to all the young men that made their announcement here on Nightcap. We appreciate that. We support you and we'll be following you down the road, cats, whatever your name is. We four for four. Like Wendy's meal. I'm taking. He's a Colorado fan. Yes. Yes. Josh Gates. How do you like the new Bears play caller? Caleb had been playing better. He has, but he. Sometimes you can't outplay bad coaching.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. And then listen, if you do, if you do, if you do outplay bad coaching, that means you have to go off script from what you're being told to do.

[John Mittlekoff]

No, he's making some throws. Guys are making plays for him. Keenan Allen Keelan. Keenan Allen ran a whip Zaro.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, that was beautiful. Wait, listen, can you stop?

[John Mittlekoff]

First of all.

[Ocho Cinco]

They need to hang that in the lavor. Whatever. The music, the lose, the Louvre. That shit was beautiful.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yes. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. Unless pressure gets there, there's no way you could defend that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Because, okay, if you own the whip and now once he gives you the Zaro, like he's going back out, you gotta go.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gotta go.

[John Mittlekoff]

You got to. Yeah, because you don't want him to option away from you. Now you bite. And now he takes off again.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

And they got him dead already. Got him in man coverage. They run somebody through the zone to take the linebacker with him, and now it's one on one and the guy's already outside. So he's outside, you run the whip, you. You pause it, you fake like you got to go back out. He hesitates. And now you take off every time.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's a. That's a route that's going to win 10 out of 10.

[John Mittlekoff]

10 out of 10. I don't give a damn who the DB is. Unless pressure gets there, you're not stopping that. Right. Brian is saying, what's up, Uncle? No, Joe, let's go. My lines. We had. We had about four of our five defensive players leave game due to early injuries. Tough next two game also, What a terrible first Half challenge for the Bears. Plus, the refs were terrible today. 11 and 1. Yeah. You guys, you had a couple of linebackers. I think Campbell ended up leaving the game. One of your linebackers, your starting linebackers, already out of the game. Hey, that's secondary, man. That secondary was getting killed.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[John Mittlekoff]

Oh, okay. Yeah, you put it back up in there. Sometimes you have to overcome that. Sometimes you have to overcome. When calls don't go your way, you know, you're not having the best outing. You just have to find a way to win ball games. They're really good. Teams can find a way to win ball games, right? Asked about the Lions run a bad luck within the defensive front seven, Dan Campbell said, had the expected response. Let me ask you, does it really matter? Like, who cares? That's what I go back to. It doesn't matter. Either it is or it isn't. We got to get guys back. We don't get a guy back and worrying about that and moaning about it and bitching about it. It's like he calls, right? It's like, calls. I know. Whoever's available is available. We're not going to get ready to play. We expect them to hold the line, period. You've got to do your job, and everybody around you is looking for you to do your job. I like the matter of factness. I like it. But, Dan, you and I both know at some point in time, you keep running out of next guys. Oh, yeah, you might get that. You might get away with one or two next guys. Next guy up, you start getting 4, 5, 6, 7, next. But I. But I like that mentality because Dan Campbell is not an excuse guy. He doesn't give his guys an excuse. Because a lot of times coach like, hey, guys, we got, you know, hey, we look under, man. No, we ain't under, man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Next man up, baby.

[John Mittlekoff]

Isaiah Lancaster. Uncan Ocho. Do you trust Jalen Hurst or Jerry Goff if both teams meet in the NFC Championship game?

[Ocho Cinco]

Ooh, that's a good one. It all comes down.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's a very good one.

[Ocho Cinco]

It all comes down to decision making. I've seen. I've seen Jared Goff throw five and a sevens in a game. Yeah, I've seen Jalen Hurts throw five and sevens in the game so Saquon Barkley can take some of the pressure off of Goddamn. Jalen Hurts so he doesn't have to put the ball in harm's way. But again, Jameer Gibbs ain't got Montgomery. Right. Montgomery can also take the pressure off of Jared Goff so he didn't put the ball in harm's way. So a game like that ain't no telling what's going to happen. The team that makes the fewest mistakes.

[John Mittlekoff]

Wins that game based on the way the Eagles front has been playing. Now both teams are built front to back. Great offensive line back towards your running back quarterback great defensive line moving backwards. Philly great defensive line moving backwards offensive line Philly moving backwards. That would be a real, that's a real heavyweight fight. Both teams have outstanding offensive line play. Sewell Zeitler, Ragnall Decker, who's. Who's out Outstanding. And then you go Dixon and you go Lane Johnson you go my lotta obviously you know you hurts and Saquon that's going to be. I don't think I think everybody thinks that's going to be the matchup that we're going to end up seeing probably in the NFC championship game. Samuel Griffin said happy Thanksgiving Uncan Ocho. Did guys have any type of relationship with John Madden? What was he like behind the scene? What you see on the screen. I was very fortunate enough before Ocho got I don't know if Ocho ever. I don't know. You made the all man team. Of course I made the all Madden team. 96, 97, 98, 93. I made it five times and so.

[Ocho Cinco]

I made it six.

[John Mittlekoff]

But he was great. You know he, you know he just, he was a regular guy but he was you know he was animated behind the scenes just like he was in front of the camera. Obviously he loved the game. He loves talking about the game. He loved getting to know the players, their personalities, kind of what made them tick. Um but he, he was great. Um I, I think I like and when you made the. I mean he used to have great awards. I mean people honestly Ocho people look forward more forward to making the all man team than they did the Pro Bowl.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely.

[John Mittlekoff]

He gave you got a jacket. You got a sweatshirt. I mean I still have all this. Well the last words that I got and not when I my year in Denver I ended up giving it. I give the jacket to. I think I gave the jacket to Byron Chamberlain and I gave the hoodie to House Carswell. So right. You know I had a great relationship with my, my guys that were in the tight end room so I gave one the jacket one the hoodie and they used to give you trophies. You see like like Michael Parson won that trophy in Derry golf but also was heavy. I'm talking about heavy. Their trophies weigh like 20 pounds.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they put. They put. They put some effort into it now.

[John Mittlekoff]

They put yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But he was. He was great behind the scenes. I never played. I never. Nah, we played. I ain't get to eat the turkey leg because Barry Sanders got to eat the turkey leg that day because he ran all over us, boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

He was a real deal, boy.

[John Mittlekoff]

We played. We played Detroit on Thanksgiving. That's all I'm gonna say. We played in the early 90s when they was on Thanksgiving. They might lose all their games, but it will be hell out of somebody on Thanksgiving. And that was us. So, no, I didn't. I didn't get no turkey legs. Kyle. Face. Uncle. What were your best college matchups?

[Ocho Cinco]

College.

[John Mittlekoff]

That's a good thing. Probably the Valley of Albany State.

[Ocho Cinco]

Fam. You cook me. And I listen. I didn't even go to fam. But you have to understand my upbringing and being at the classic since 1984, until I graduated high school, that's all I knew. Then I understood about the other collegiate games that were good. The Ohio states, the Michigan's, the Oregon State, Oregon.

[John Mittlekoff]

But.

[Ocho Cinco]

But for me, that's what I. That's what, that's what I knew first from at the level. Famian, Bethune, Cookman. That was all I knew.

[John Mittlekoff]

Yeah, I missed those days playing Fam. The Valley. Not fam. I'm talking about Fam. The Valley, Albany State. Those were probably our, you know, probably our biggest rivals. You know, that's what it. Put that work on them, though. Put that work on them. May Mayhem. Matthew, do you think if Georgia wins tomorrow, they're a lot for the playoffs, even if they lose the SEC champions title game and have three losses. Yes, I think Georgia's going. They're taking two SEC teams now. It seems like Texas is going to be one of them because they only have that if they. If they take care of their business tomorrow. What do you got? Texas A and M or they be Texas A? Texas. Okay, they got Texas A and M. They win that game, they're going to the sec. They going right. They're taking two teams from the sec.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah, Most definitely.

[John Mittlekoff]

Period.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, definitely.

[John Mittlekoff]

They're probably gonna take. They're gonna take two teams, maybe three from the Big Ten.

[Ocho Cinco]

Can I tell you why?

[John Mittlekoff]

Why? Oh, yeah. Georgia draw. That's why. They like, they're hoping somebody faults you so they can get Alabama in there too. But they take it. They take it A. Cause y'all getting all the other teams. Them teams don't travel like that y'all don't travel. Football king in the south, they gonna travel. Bama gonna travel. Texas gonna travel. Georgia gonna travel. Are we sure? Oregon gonna travel. We sure. Boys and state gonna travel. We sure. Indiana gonna travel. Are we sure? Ocho, Alan, Ocho. Love you guys. Speaking into existence. Y'all will be doing play by play commentators for NFL games. Go to Netflix and we'll be due to a feature on Madden video games. Now that, that Ocho might, Ocho might want to call games. I want no part of calling games. I don't want that kind of prep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I'm calling the game when the Chiefs, the Chiefs and the texans play on the 21st of December, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm going to have my first hand in the booth, you know, calling the game. Play by play. I'd like to thank Peacock and Madden for the opportunity to continue to diversify my portfolio and allow my list of jobs to now reach a staggering number of 879 and 11 jobs, you know, in season. So I'm grateful. I'm blessed. My cup. Run it over and again, I'm thankful for the opportunity. And all of you, make sure you tune in December 21st. Houston Texans, Kansas City, Madden, Peacock, your boys in the booth, make sure you check it out. And I promise you, I'm not going to curse.

[John Mittlekoff]

That concludes this edition of Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us. Green Bay Packers 30, Miami 17. The Dallas Cowboys 27, the Giants 20. And the Detroit Lions run their record to 111 with a 20, 23, 20 win over the Bears after a snafu by Matt Uberfluz, who doesn't call a timeout. And with 33 seconds on the clock, they only run one play and they don't get in position to kick a field goal and they end. That seems to be the thing that overshadowed the entirety of the game. Even Caleb Williams, playing sensational in the second half, was overshadowed by that situational mishap by the Bears. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite unc, Shannon Shark. He is Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the all Pro. That's Shadow Cinco Johnson, but just call him Ocho. Please hit that subscribe button. Please hit that like button. Tell family, friends and loved ones, hey, come watch us without Nightcap. They're on tomorrow, Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night and Monday. Check out Nightcap. You'll love these guys. Guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. And thank you for your continued support. Thank you for joining us tonight. I know you had a busy day today with family, friends and loved ones, but to give us a few moments of your time tonight, we greatly appreciate that. Go check out Shade by laportier. We do have it in stock just in time to get a ship to you for the holidays because we believe your holidays should be festive and celebratory. So if you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it and we'll get it right to you. One more thing, please, Drake responsibly. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shake Shape Media, my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, we dropped to have a big release last month and our Black Friday sale just launched. Items are up to 50 off. Shirts are 20 off, hoodies are 40 off. All tees and hoodies are back in stock. Nightcap, Club, Shay Shay and 84, everything is in stock and we do have beanies and sleeves that put your drink in. Quantities are limited, so make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Oh, we got. And. And we got a drop coming tomorrow. Why do. I don't know. Why don't nobody drop.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wait, what drop you got? What drop you got so I can order my shit?

[John Mittlekoff]

I don't know. Don't start me lying, Ocho, because I don't know. I'm just finding out about right now.

[Ocho Cinco]

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[John Mittlekoff]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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