Nightcap - Hour 2: Cowboys trade for George Pickens + Steph Curry injury update

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Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Episode Summary

Episode Title: Nightcap - Hour 2: Cowboys Trade for George Pickens + Steph Curry Injury Update
Release Date: May 8, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, and Joe Johnson

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1. Steph Curry Injury Update

Timestamp: [02:05]

In this segment, Shannon Sharpe breaks down the recent news regarding NBA superstar Steph Curry's injury. Curry has been diagnosed with a grade one strain in his left hamstring, marking the first muscle strain of his illustrious career. Warriors' coach Steve Kerr emphasizes a cautious approach, stating, "Steph will be back when he's back. We just focus on tomorrow's game." This injury sidelines Curry for at least one week, with a re-evaluation slated for the following week. The discussion underscores the importance of managing player health, especially for seasoned athletes like Curry.

2. Personal Anecdotes on Injuries

Timestamp: [03:37] - [15:23]

Shannon engages in a heartfelt conversation with co-hosts Chad Ochocinco Johnson and Joe Johnson, sharing personal injury stories that resonate with many athletes:

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson recounts breaking his orbital bone during a playoff game in Phoenix, describing the pain and the procedure he underwent: "I got 18 screws and three plates in my face still to this day."

• Joe Johnson parallels this with his own experience, having recently tweaked his groin during training camp: "I want that thing to hit that tuck on the joint. I'm playing with him."

These narratives highlight the physical toll of professional sports and the resilience required to overcome such setbacks.

3. The Impact of Aging on Athletic Performance

Timestamp: [15:23] - [16:08]

The conversation shifts to the challenges athletes face as they age. Shannon shares his struggles with knee and hip issues, humorously lamenting the necessity of parking close to stores to minimize walking: "Pretty soon I'm gonna have me one of the motorized cars." Chad echoes this sentiment, noting that recovery times have lengthened: "It took me a whole month for my ankle to go down."

This segment emphasizes that aging athletes must navigate increased injury risks and longer recovery periods, impacting their performance and lifestyle.

4. Cowboys' Trade for George Pickens

Timestamp: [30:50] - [37:22]

Shannon provides a detailed update on the Dallas Cowboys' strategic acquisition of wide receiver George Pickens from the Pittsburgh Steelers. The trade agreement includes Dallas sending a 2026 third-round pick and a 2027 fifth-round pick in exchange for Pickens and a 2027 sixth-round pick. Shannon questions whether the Steelers received adequate compensation, but co-host Joe Johnson confidently asserts, "You have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year."

Chad Ochocinco Johnson supports the move, highlighting Pickens' immense talent and potential impact: "He needed to change the scenery. This is perfect for that. He is immensely talented when used the right way."

5. Analysis of the Trade's Impact

Timestamp: [31:14] - [35:10]

The trio delves deeper into how George Pickens will bolster the Cowboys' offensive capabilities. With existing talents like Ceedee Lamb and the addition of Pickens, the Cowboys are poised to enhance their scoring potential significantly. Joe Johnson emphasizes Pickens' versatility in routes and his ability to complement quarterback Dak Prescott: "He can hit his head off the goal post from anywhere. Slants, hitches, deep balls, whatever it may be."

Shannon raises concerns about the team's defensive weaknesses, particularly in stopping the run, but Joe Johnson remains optimistic, suggesting that the offensive upgrades will offset these issues: "They should score 35, 40 a game. It shouldn't be no issues."

6. NFC East Dynamics

Timestamp: [35:10] - [42:15]

The focus shifts to the strength of the NFC East, particularly its wide receiver lineup. Shannon and the co-hosts compare receivers across different teams, noting that the NFC East boasts some of the league's top talents, including:

• Dallas Cowboys: Ceedee Lamb, George Pickens
• Philadelphia Eagles: Devontae Smith, A.J. Brown
• Commanders: Debo Samuel, Terry McLaurin
• New York Giants: Malik Henry, with a debated quarterback situation

Joe Johnson praises the division's receivers as the "best receivers" in the league, underscoring the competitive edge they provide to their respective teams. Shannon concurs, stating, "AJ's been to the Pro Bowl. McLaurin, Debo, Neighbors, CD. I think Pickett's been to the Pro Bowl once. Devonte yeah."

7. Fan Behavior and Athlete Interactions

Timestamp: [22:55] - [25:35]

The hosts address the challenges athletes face with fan behavior, drawing parallels from recent incidents involving NBA player Jimmy Butler. Shannon notes, "Fans can go overboard and call people out of their names and all that stuff," highlighting the fine line athletes walk between handling boos and managing personal respect.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson shares his perspective on handling verbal abuse from fans, emphasizing the importance of maintaining professionalism: "I'm just gonna talk trash back. But it had never gotten to the point of bringing in your family members."

Joe Johnson adds that respect from fans remains vital, even amidst trash-talking: "It's always me and just going back and forth. And family has never been mentioned."

8. Jersey Retirements and Team Traditions

Timestamp: [50:20] - [58:04]

In the final segments, the discussion pivots to the significance of jersey retirements and team traditions. Shannon laments the Dallas Cowboys' decision to trade Julio Jones and not retire his iconic number 11, arguing, "They should not have given it away. Absolutely not."

Joe Johnson echoes this sentiment, emphasizing Julio Jones' exceptional talent and legacy: "He's the best wide receiver in Falcons history."

The conversation extends to other teams, such as the Pittsburgh Steelers, where Shannon debates the scarcity of retired numbers compared to the Packers and Bears, highlighting the cultural differences in honoring players.

9. Final Thoughts and Audience Engagement

Timestamp: [58:04] - [66:23]

Shannon wraps up the episode with reflections on player legacies and team decisions, encouraging listeners to support their favorite teams while respecting player contributions. The hosts engage in light-hearted banter about future episodes and potential topics, maintaining an engaging and humorous tone until the end.

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Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe at [02:05]: "Steph will be back when he's back. We just focus on tomorrow's game."

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson at [10:15]: "I got 18 screws and three plates in my face still to this day."

• Joe Johnson at [31:16]: "You have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year."

• Joe Johnson at [33:03]: "There's no disrespect to my Eagles. The Eagles. I love you all."

• Shannon Sharpe at [37:35]: "Is that the golden rule. I don't understand, because every receiver."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe, alongside Chad Ochocinco Johnson and Joe Johnson, provides insightful discussions on both the NBA and NFL landscapes. From Steph Curry's injury and personal injury stories to the strategic implications of the Cowboys' trade for George Pickens, the hosts blend personal anecdotes with professional analysis. Additionally, they touch upon the dynamics of the NFC East, fan behavior, and the importance of honoring player legacies through jersey retirements. This episode offers a comprehensive look into the challenges and triumphs facing athletes today, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking in-depth conversations and relatable stories.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The volume Speaking of Steph Curry, Steph Curry will miss at least one week after being diagnosed with a grade one left hamstring. Curry went underwent an MIR today and he'll say he'll be re evaluated in one week, the Warrior said. This is the first muscle strain injury of his career, kerr said. I think you literally just take it game at a time and we can't. I know there's a three day break between games five and six. And everyone's saying maybe those three days, perhaps Steph returns then. We can't afford to think about that. I mean, Steph will be back when he's back. We just focus on tomorrow's game, and then we go from there. That's the thing, man. When you get. As you get older. Oh, yo, I never had a hamstring injury until. Man, my first year, I was going to Baltimore. Got a little heavy off season. Got me a little money, Joe, you know what I'm saying? I'm in Houston. I beat that cheese toast. Back then, they had to. You remember, they had the chicken tender with the honey mustard, Joe. So, you know, you're born. I got a little money, Ocho. I don't wear that bag every day. Yeah, I get that spinach dip. Hey, let me get that spinach dip. That cheese toast. Yeah, let me get that. I get that Biltmore. I get Joey. Remember that? Built more. That chicken salad with the cheese on it. Or I get them chicken tender with that honey mustard. So, you know, Joe, Ocho, I don't kind of let myself go a little bit.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you know, my playing weight. My playing weight.228, right? I stepped on the scale. I looked down. Up 266.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You see, that's what I said, too.

[Joe Johnson]

You were two. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

266.

[Joe Johnson]

Jesus Christ.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, look.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you were fluffy, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You was a little bell pepper.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know. Cause I got to 262 one time. This when I first got to Utah. You know, it's a little culture shock for me coming from Miami, and I was coming off the bench, and I wasn't playing that much, but I was playing and I just let it go, bro. Look, I got on the scale, that thing said 262. I went into immediate starvation. I said, hold on, I gotta get this weight up off me. I can't. Man, you can't play like that, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you don't say Ocho. I'm talking about strong with the house. Ocho, I take that. Hey, Ocho, I take that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

4, 5.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hit that thing like, 6, 7 times. Huh? Huh? I'm taking them. 160, 170 pound. Dumbbell. I'm playing with him, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah, I'm playing with him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I messed around out there trying to run. Try to do them. Ah, that thing grabbed. Oh, yeah, that thing grabbed a bit. Old joke. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, look, I strained mine. I strained mine playing flag football. I strained My playing flag football. Look, 2005, I can't make this up. I had just signed with the. I had just signed with the Hawks. So this is my first year here. So that summer, before I even played my first game, you know, back. I'm back home in Little Rock, and me and a few of the guys, we done got together, we playing flag football every Sunday, man. It's one particular Sunday. I'm feeling good. I'm thinking. I'm out there trying to mouse cassette. I let. Somebody shot me, man. I took off running and I feel it. I hit the dirt so fast. Hey, hey, listen. It was three weeks before camp was about to start, man. I came into camp hurting, limping and everything. My first shit here. Yeah, it was tough. So when you have a hamstring strain. That's what I know about him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And remember I told you, but I kind of tweeted, so it was. I was good to go. By the time I got. By the time I got to. To be more.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. Oo. We had that conditioning test that's on the treadmill, right? So every minute they bump it up, bump it up a not. So eventually, you gonna probably get up to about 15 miles an hour. We gotta run for a minute. So we don't go every minute. So you go start out with six, and you go a minute, then you go 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. Man. Hey, man, I got. Hey, O. I got the seven. Cause I started at six. I got the seven. You think it started like.

[Joe Johnson]

Like grabbing? Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. I hopped up off that thing. I said, oh, no, no, Friday. I. I'm done with this. He said, you're gonna have to go talk to Brian. I said, I went upstairs, Brian, Billy with the headquarters said, brian, nah said, bro, I'm done with that. I said, man, that thing hurt my hamstrings. Hey. He said, long as you ready. Long as you ready for the season, right? We good to go. Yeah. That was. Hold on. That camp was like, in May. I was 266. I came back for training camp in July. I was 232.

[Joe Johnson]

Got it all down, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You had to straighten up the fly, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, like a trump tax return. I was straight. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, the funny thing also about. About Steph, about Steph injury chat, for those that are listening, is the fact that it's grade one and he was able to catch it and not strain it that much for me. I had a little. A little. Just a little tweak, you know, pull, pulling, practice. And I caught it real, real quick after that, I. I still ain't missed no game. All I did was dry needling. Right. You know, the dry. Yeah, I did the cupping and they had some type of laser. I can't remember what the laser was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know that red. That red dot. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I chilled. I did it on Wednesday's practice. I chilled Thursday. I chilled Friday. I did a Saturday walkthrough. And then the game Sunday, I just wrapped it up. Obviously, I did a treatment each day. I just wrapped it up Sunday. It was out there. Was out there. Able to go full speed. And I'm sure the same thing will probably happen with Steph. That's why I said he'll miss one week and the following game, he'll probably play them hamstrings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tweaked my growing, too, on the diving board in training camp, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, playing around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, we go get the. You know, we get the pool. We at UNC University of Northern Colorado. So that's where our training camp was. That's where our training camp was in Greeley. And so, man, you know. Oh, man, Ocho, I want that thing. Hit that thing like new gators. O Jo, hit that thing.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And hit that tuck on the joint. I'm doing everything, Ocho. I'm like, man from Atlantis. I'm doing everything. I'm doing all that stuff on ch. I'm doing a jack knife. I'm twisted. That last one, I was like, g had a. A jug of fever, remember? I g can of that thing, mama. This last dance for you, Joe. One last time, Joe, Man, I came with that thing and hit that thing. Boom. Hey, I had to think of a good lie, man. Hey, wait, man. I think I too. I think I tweaked my groin. Yeah. Yesterday at practice. Hey, Ojo, I was killing that diamond board, man. I'm talking about the hideout. I'm talking about. I'm the 10. The 10 meter way up there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And them the worst growing hamstrings. Hey, anything?

[Joe Johnson]

Soft tissue, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you got anything soft tissue? Yeah, you gotta sit down. You gotta sit down. I don't care what you talking about doing. You gotta sit on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them injuries ain't nothing to play with. I mean, I broke my. Man, I broke my collarbone, man. You talking about the worst injury to have. Cause you can't let. You can't get comfortable. Yeah. If you sleep on, you definitely ain't sleeping on the side that you broke.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tried to sleep on this side. And that pressure. I was like, oh, Lord. I try to lay flat on my back. Oh, Lord. Man, I'm sitting. I'm sitting up like this here. Man, that thing hurt me so bad. Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, listen, when I was in Phoenix, my last year in Phoenix, playing with Nash, and I broke my orbital bone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did that, too. Joe broke my orbital bone in the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Playoffs, went up for a dunk, and Stackhouse tried to block it, but he kind of bodied me a little bit. So when I grabbed the rim, I tried to hang on and I slipped off and came down, hit my face first on the floor. Look, this bone right here, it was, yeah, sticking out my skin, but it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was sticking like this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like, I could touch it. I could tell it was something. You know what I mean? Okay, Ocho, look, they telling me I'm disoriented and everything. They like, man, you gotta shoot the two free throws. If you don't shoot the two free throws, then you can't come back in the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm. Damn. The free throws.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, man, listen. Do you see my eye, bro? Like, I can't. Like, it's something coming out of here. Long story short, I still shot the two free throws. I made one missed one that I went to the back. I remember when I got in the back, they asked me all these questions, like my birthday, where I'm from. I couldn't tell them people nothing. I couldn't tell. I went to surgery.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Next morning, I did the same thing. I was playing. I was blocking down on a combo block. It was 16 power. I never forget. And Mark's the ref. He was pulling and, you know, as a tight end, Ocho, I was a wide receiver at first, but I kept my wide receiver face mask at tight end. Yeah, man, he pulling around there. Hands, fists, go right through my face, man. Hit me dead in my eye. So I go to the doctor. The doctor knew who I was. He said, son, I'm gonna explain it to you like this. It was like you have a complete blowout. He says it's like you got into a bar fight and somebody kicked you directly in the eye with a boot. He said, your wall. Cause your eye. Your eye. This is your eye right here. It sits on the floor.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The floor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it's a bone. Yeah, this was gone. Damn. My eye had dropped like. Like three. Like 3.5 millimeters. So. Babe. Oh. Till my eye was sitting down. Sit down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Look, I got 18 screws and three plates in my face still to this day. From there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got. I got a mesh. I Can't blow my. I can't blow my nose. Cause if I blow my. An infection. I done had to have my plate, the whole plate taken out and put a new one in. Yeah, it got infected and I couldn't, I couldn't get that infection out of there. Cause he had the mesh. It hadn't gotten that, that mesh. Yeah, yeah. Hey, look. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And when they get cold, I catch them little headaches right there on there. Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, babe, I be close. Hey, had that Forest Whitaker going on, so. I feel for Stephanie. The thing is, Joe, man, like, as you get older, it just gets hard. I mean, like when you young, you get an injury, man, you can bounce back like that. Telling you, as you get older, man, the things take longer and longer to come back from.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man. Listen, let me tell y' all something. I was just playing in a lifetime league here in Atlanta, you know, I, I, I, I still enjoy playing. So I played a couple games, and after the second game, man, listen, my ankle swollen up. Cause I playing 40 minutes. I'm playing the whole game. So my ankle swollen up. I'm like, all right, I take a couple days off, man, it took me a whole month for my ankle to go down from a. Hey, look, I ain't tweaking. I ain't do nothing. Just regular playing. I probably overdid it as far as playing. You know, playing back to back games. 40 plus minutes, man. It took a whole month for me to get this thing together over here. Yeah, so it is. It's a lot tougher as you age.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Same what happened to me, Ocho. I was coaching in the celebrity NBA All Star game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two years ago in Indy. You know, just standing up, walking. You know, I'm just standing up, walking. I'm like. I'm a real coach, you know, I walk it up and I'm stalking out instructions and I'm walking down the bed. Man, my knee hurts so bad. They asked me did I want to do it again. I said, no, thank you. Absolutely, absolutely not Bad. George. George. George. Say, boss, you okay? He said, you Liberty? I said, hell, no, I ain't okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My knee badge. Oh, Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. I walk. I be parking as close as I possibly can. It used to when I was younger, I park way away. Cause I walk. Get some exercise. If I could park at the grocery store, I would. Hey, hey. Pretty soon I'm gonna have me one of the motorized cars. Don't look at me. Don't judge. Hey, we talk, but we don't judge here. Okay, Just so we know, we gonna keep you moving.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't worry about that. Oh, no, we're gonna keep you moving. We gonna keep you moving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that need a. It used to be them hill. Oh, man, I used to. Hey, Joe, before I got them hip surgeries, I knew my hips were bad. Oh, this. I used to have to get in the car.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I used to get in the car like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I sit down and then put my legs in. You know, Everybody else get in. Oh, and just sit down. Oh, no. Hey, I sit down there like you okay. I ain't okay. My hip killing me. Oh, it.

[Joe Johnson]

Woo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I pray you don't have to get those things done. But, hey, my homeboy Bucket just had his second knee replaced. And that work. Knees are worse than hips.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I told y' all, man, y' all gotta come see me, bro. I'm gonna keep y' all right. Now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My sister ain't played no sport. My sister just got her both of hers replaced. Damn. My brother got his hip replaced. I got both of mine replaced. My brother about to get his knee replaced. Damn. Yeah, I told my mom, I said, you know what? You and Daddy, y' all built some athletes, but y' all obey the paper mache. You couldn't find somebody with a. With better bone density. Y' all got us effed up.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. But, yeah, I think the thing is, look, they bought a little time by winning this first game. Now, if you go steal the second game, you're like, hey, Steph, we'll see you game five. We see you game six, Something like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you getting plenty of rest. If Golden State win game two, you ain't forcing them to come back no time soon. You know, take your time. But I don't see that happening. They ain't getting out of Minnesota tomorrow without they get out of Minnesota, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chris Finch said his team submitted clips to the league office that showed what he believes is egregious contact made against Rudy Gobert, none of which was called by the officials. On defensive rebounding, they do a lot of filing, shoving, pushing, holding, tackling. Rudy. That's clear. We sent a bunch of those clips to the league. In fact, I'm not sure I know another player in the league with Rudy's pedigree that is allowed to be physically beaten on the way he is. And so we've got to address it one way or another. Minnesota got dominated on the glass 51, 41, with Grobert grabbing 11 rebounds, a steep drop off from the 21 boards he had in Game 5 against the Lakers. Yeah, they do that to LeBron. They've been beating LeBron. They beat hell out of Shaq.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, listen, it's. It's the playoffs. Rudy Gobert is very tall. He's. He's absolutely much bigger than everybody else. So the fouls are going to be a little, you know, a little egregious at times. They got to play him a little aggressive at times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They didn't.

[Joe Johnson]

You have to do that. What is the. What is the coach fussing about?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They did not expect that man to come out there and get no. 23, 24 rebounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was anomaly. That's everything was a playoff high for him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he not going, he not going to duplicate that back to back like that. You know, he may have a game in this series to where he probably could get you 20 bulls, but to be able to come out night in and night out and do that, that's a lot, man. Bro, Ruby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if he could, he'd be, he'd be an mvp. Hell, Will's the only man that I know that can average 24 rebounds in a season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, boy, you gotta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He averaged 27 one year. I mean, Will had a 50, 25 and they said it was a fluke. So he came back next year that 44, 27.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, them numbers don't even be sounding real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we'd be talking Will the man every 24. All I know is the man averaged 24 rebounds for a career.

[Joe Johnson]

Where the footage at? Where the footage at?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tape, bro. They had tape delayed in the 80s. You think they got a whole lot of footage of games in the 60s.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, they got to have something that we can see, man.

[Joe Johnson]

They gotta have something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, I wasn't, I wasn't watching, Bob. I wasn't even around then when Will was playing. But the numbers that man was putting up don't even sound real. You can't do that in the video game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quadruple doubles because think about it. But you know, he had to have quadruple doubles because the blocked shot didn't come on official stat until the 80s.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So think about all the shots that they blocked. He said one and some of these guys 6465. So you know, will have some games. He had 20 blocks, 20 block assist. Assist wasn't a stat. Steals wasn't a stat. Think about that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And like I said, you just might as well just do away. The man got 150, 50 point games. You might as well just some of his stats just say like, you know what, we just gonna start over to give everybody a fair chance. Joe to have to give some. You're not gonna break those records. You're not gonna do it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not bro. He gonna forever hold on to him. Just like Lebron and these records that he done accumulated over the years. Ain't nobody breaking down them records, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, no.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Last night, Jimmy Butler was asked about the jeers he got from fans inside Target Center. Remember, Jimmy played with Minnesota 2017, 2017 through 2018. He said the noise doesn't bother me, but he said there's a limit to what fans can say to. To the players. That doesn't bother me, but people do have to watch their mouth. It's cool to boo and all that stuff, but calling people out of their names and all stuff where I can hear, which I can hear the boos. I get it. I understand. Let's just keep it at that. Joe, do sometimes the players. Do fans get, you know, slick with it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go overboard with the boos.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, man. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The booing. You get the booing. But I'm talking about. They talk about the mama and saying all that other stuff.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I think as athletes, we can all take the booing, even if you talking about us to some degree. But when you bring in your family members and you just. You go below the belt, bro, it just. It's only. It's only. It's only so much you can turn a blind eye to and act like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't see it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I mean? Until you fed up and now you have to react in a way that, you know, you. You hope that you don't have to. But sometimes, man, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta check the situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. All that. All that your mama be and all that Stuff. We not finna do that. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can you. Can y' all hear that in football? Do y' all gonna hear all that in football?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We. They not that close.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not that close where we could, like. We'll hear it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I like Joe. I like to antagonize the fans, especially when they talking trash, but I. I just talk trash back. But it had never gotten to the point. I think there's still a level of respect that they have, even though they talking. Talking shit to me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And family has never been. Ever been mentioned. It's always, you know, it's always me and just. Just going back and forth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, you're gonna boo. Yeah. I'm not that good. I get it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The mere fact that you talking to me lets me know that I'm good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if I wasn't good, you wouldn't even be talking to me. Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right. So we can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So we've established. We have established that you a liar. Because if I wasn't that good, why are you talking to me, period, Period? You ain't talking to everybody else. You talking to me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get that. But, yeah, I. I do think sometimes the fans can. Fans can go overboard and. And call people out of their names and all that stuff. And.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody. Look, somehow we. We've lost the fact that, like, money makes you not human. Yeah, man, if somebody paid me $30 million, somebody paid me this, they can say, whatever. No, they can't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody got a breaking point.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every. Everybody has a breaking point in which they say, okay, bro, that's enough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because you're still human at the end of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You human at the end of the day.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Money don't make you now. It gives you. It gives you ability. You know, you could throw money at problems, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It helps you solve some things. You get better medical attention and certain things like that on Joe. But you still human.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Well, listen, I mean. I mean, everybody's different. The more. The more money, the more money. I'm just saying I would make depending on the situation. But the less I could hear, the more. The more money I make, the less I can hear. I don't care. I can't even hear you from dying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, because what you said, you know, they like, if.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, if I was like Joe, and somebody asked me where my dog at.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I said, he got chill. You gotta chill.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, his dog not in the yard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His dog on the porch.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you gotta chill, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'M just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta chill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just gonna come over there. I just want to go. You know, we can walk. We can walk to Chad Stand park and hear Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ohio Players or something. Man, that's two minutes from Baja. Come on, man. I know it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know exactly where you stay, Joe. Yeah, yeah, we could take. We could take the coolers. Hey, take the food, get going right on up in there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because they look. They probably. They probably perform over here just about every. Every summer almost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. Yeah. I've seen. I've seen them twice. I've seen hauling those about. About four or five times. NDR Field.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man, it'd be live over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It do. I mean, I. I'm a. I'm a. But I like the concert. I could just sit down. I'd be chilling. You know, some of the people be having wine. I ain't, you know, I'm like, hey, let me have my. You know, my ginger ale, you know, sandwiches, you know. Hey, I'm good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't bring no. You don't bring no alcohol with you? You don't have no alcohol in you and you cool or not?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, nah. You know, the people that I come with, they normally. They like wine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, I bring that shade for you. I mean, we get on. We get on that shade.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got some. I got some friends, you know, they probably gonna come on and hang out a little bit all day, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, we good here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, look, by the way, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotta look at the Chastain series. I gotta look at the Chastain series and see who coming. Who coming.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, we gotta check that out. But while we talk about the laportier and the cigars, yes, I do have a company. I have friends. They like to smoke cigars, Ocho. They like to drink. They yak.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They've been asking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll get that to you. Yeah, I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

I see. I see y' all talking about doing something. Ain't then one of y' all invited me yet. Y' all just. Y' all going on and on and on. I'm just sitting here listening. I'm just waiting on somebody to be like, hey, you know, you. Oh, so you want to come?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, okay, you want to come? No, I don't even want.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't even want to listen. I had to say something. I don't even want to go no more.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, man. We got plenty of room for you, partner. Don't even worry about that.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay? Yeah, I didn't want to see. I just want to see what the property looked like.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man. Here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This man going, hey, hey, hey, Joe, we're going. We go ahead and get a table. We go ahead and get a table, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, we got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. What do you think? What do you think the worst fans are? What's the word? What's the. The fans that get on you the most?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Fed, man. Them was in Philly, bro. Oh, my God. Yeah, them fans in Philly don't play, bro. They be right behind your bench and they be. They be personal, Uncle. You don't be just. No. You trash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They doing their homework in Philly. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. Talking about everybody, your relatives, your grandma and all that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, by. By name, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, Everybod. You have a whole sign holding it up with everything on. You gonna be able to read it? That won't tell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oakland.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oakland. Oakland.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oakland had the worst fans.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, that bl. The black hole, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. Oh, hey, it like they let sand quit. Not for a day. So you look at y' all going to the Raiders. Y' all going to the Raiders game. Hey, how did. Get in here, Ojo?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's the worst fan for you?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, probably. Probably that black hole, but, you know. Yeah, probably the black hole. I mean, the Browns, it was a respect. It was still respect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'd be throwing batteries and pennies. They'd be doing too much not to win no games.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, they throwing all type of stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all need to keep the battery and charge your sorry ass team up.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, who you talking about, the Raiders?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, the Browns. They the one that be throwing the batteries and the pennies and hitting you upside your head.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't never had that issue. Yeah, you don't remember when I jumped in the dog pound?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they shove your ass right? That poor Bill. You shove your ass right back up out of there.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I jumped in the dog pound. I never forget in pregame, Pre. Pregame warmup, I went to the dog pound. They have an individual who was somewhat the lead in. In that area. His name was Big Dog. Big Dog. I asked Big Dog permission. Hey, if I happen to score on this end of the end zone, can I please jump to you? You know, with no disrespect, he was like, yeah, yeah, go ahead and do it, man. I happened to score on that end, and I jumped right in his arms, and everybody around him, they, they must not have known what I was doing, man. They took all a beer and they poured it all on me, man. I smelled like beer the whole the rest of the game, man. I never forget that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. The Cowboys made a big splash. Jerry Jones said he had something brewing. He traded for George Pickens. They will send a 2026 third round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick to the Steelers for Pickens and a 2027 six round pick. The Cowboys had been searching for a legit wide receiver alongside Ceedee. But is Pickens the answer for Dallas?

[Joe Johnson]

You got Damn right he's the answer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jaydon Blue, Ceedee Lamb, George Pickett and Jake Ferguson, along with Dak Prescott at the quarterback. Ocho, did the Steelers get enough for Pickens?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think, I think they have. I'm not worried about what the Steelers got. I ain't really thinking about them. The fact that you let one of the better players in the NFL go, despite the issues and the problems that he's had, forget that. You just made Dallas better. You just made Dallas better. A lot of people in the chat, they might not understand how good George Pickens actually is. He needs this. He needed to change the scenery. Not only did he get a change of scenery, he went to America's team. This is perfect for that. This is very, very good for that. Because not only is CD Lamb number one, you got you another number one in there too. You got you another number one that can hit his head off the goal post from anywhere. Slants, hitches, deep balls, whatever it may be. Dak Prescott has to be thanking the football gods for this addition to his offense. It makes him better, especially NFC East. The Eagles, they got Devontae Smith, they got A.J. brown. The Commanders, they got Debo Samuel, they got Terry McLaurin. The Giants, well, the Giants only have Malik neighbors. I'm not sure that the quarterback situation is still questionable. They have James, they have Russell Wilson. But the Dallas Cowboys should make some noise this year despite their defensive woes that have been issues for them, especially stopping the run dog. They should score 35, 40 a game. They should score 35, 40 a game. It shouldn't be no issues. I don't care nothing about your running game. To me, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not saying it's equivalent to getting Saquon Barkley. I'm just saying the addition of George Pickens will make them offensively that much better. Especially if whoever the officer coordinator is, I can't remember his name hit the Schottenheimer. Oh, shoot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he's the head coach, so he's a coordinator.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, they gonna be straight. Man, they gonna be straight. Now, don't be surprised. Now, I'm gonna say it here first. There's no disrespect to my Eagles. The Eagles. You know I love you. All my Eagles fans. You know I love you. No disrespect to the commanders either. I love y' all. But don't be shocked if the goddamn Cowboys win. NFC's. Yeah, I'm gonna be shocked simply because of that one edition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you, I'm gonna be shocked.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm telling you. It makes a quarterback job easy when you have around you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've been telling Ocho this since we had nightcap. I said it's called production intolerance. And as long as production is here, tolerance will be here. Tolerance will never supersede production. I told Ocho this, man. I said Ocho, I'm telling you. I said their team will tolerate you until they can replace you. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, remember we had that talk, right? Remember I told y' all talk with Pick?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Remember after I told you, I told you I talked to him. Have you noticed you haven't had any issues from Pickens after that point?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Joe Johnson]

I think it was Kansas City game, Christmas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Kansas City game.

[Joe Johnson]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember, he didn't run. They read that red cover, too. And the safety was split.

[Joe Johnson]

The tight end. That's how he picked up the tight end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But again. But again, he needed to change the scenery. On. I agree. This is. This is a good thing for him. He's an immense talent. On, he. His name needs to be the in the conversation of the top 10 receivers when it comes to not only production, because he has the talent to do it. All Schottenheimer has to do is use them the right way to his strengths. He's going to be tremendous for the Cowboys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look, I'm just trying to figure out what it is going on in Pittsburgh that all these receivers keep getting up out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know. But uncle and Ocho, I got a confession.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? That.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, I've been a long time Cowboy fan, man. You know Jerry Jones.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You from Arkansas. Yeah, I know you ain't got no choice.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jerry Jones alumni. Listen, I'm happy for us as Cowboys fans, and I'm looking forward to us having a pretty solid season, man. That's all I'm saying. I know I had to get to know Y' all before I told y' all that. Cause I know how y' all be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I figured. But you know what? I figured as much, being from Arkansas and how Arkansas is close to Dallas. I didn't think. Me. I wasn't gonna say anything. I was like, Joe, probably.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause everybody. Because a lot of people that I know from Arkansas, they do root for the Cowboys.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. They. They root for the Cowboys. So I'm not surprised by this, but I agree with you, Ocho. I do think this. This significant helps their offense. Now the question is, are they going? Who are gonna have. Who the hell they gonna have blocking for for that?

[Joe Johnson]

They got a little makeshift olive right now, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I think they.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They go.

[Joe Johnson]

They're gonna be all right, though. They're gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, what can the Eagles do, Ojo?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, they can run the ball, boy. And they can throw it and they can ball it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They can go get your quarter.

[Joe Johnson]

They got the best. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Gotta buy that damn D line. Yeah. And listen, this is important. This is an important year for pick, too, huh? Yeah, this is important year, man. There you go, right there. He needs to get the. I know. He see Jamar Chase, he seen Justin Jefferson, he see T. Higgins and everybody else getting paid. He deserves to be paid in that upper echelon of one of the top receivers in the league. And this is his year. This is. This. This is his year. You, you, you, you. No problems, no issues, no attitudes, no. No playing around. This is a money year for you. Go out there, handle your business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to get. I'm trying to be in that $30 million receiver range.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We gonna throw in the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he gonna get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who you think run the trade, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

The Cowboys won the trade. The goddamn Steelers ain't got no. They ain't even figured out the quarterback situation yet. I don't care how many picks you got. Third round, two, second round, first round, man. You have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Someone tweeted Ocho Dallas just broke the golden rule. Never buy a wide receiver, Mike Tomlin, and sell it. Do you agree?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I'm not sure how that's the golden rule. I don't understand, because every receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody hold on. Okay? Hold on, hold on. Martavius Bryant, how did that work out, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not sure. I can't remember where he went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Antonio Brown. How did that work out, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

It worked out well. When he left for who? Where? Everywhere he went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Raiders.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, wait. Oh, you talking about what they did personally now? I can't touch on that. Okay, so it worked out well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, how about Chase Claypool?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay, go ahead. Deontay Johnson, he hasn't been able to get his foot in the mud yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three teams. Three teams in six months.

[Joe Johnson]

He's in. He's in Cleveland right now, right? Yeah, yeah, him and Jerry. Judith, they gonna do damage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, did he get traded to Carolina? He went to Carolina first.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, and when Carolina did, he went somewhere else, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went to three teams. Baltimore.

[Joe Johnson]

Baltimore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And what did Baltimore do? Ocho? Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What you laughing at, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm just asking.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey. We gonna. We. We gonna be all right, though. We gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I can un. I can understand what the tweet is saying. Never buy receiver. San Antonio Holmes. Plaque made plaques. Had that great. Had that one season that he played with the Giants. They won the Super Bowl. Yeah, Mike Wallace, he kind of didn't have. He. I mean, he kind of bounced around. He had a pretty good year in. In Baltimore, but I think he got. He went to. Didn't he go. Where'd he go first? He went to Miami. Didn't he. Didn't he. Didn't he go to Miami?

[Joe Johnson]

I thought he was in Miami or Minnesota.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went to. I think. Y' all think Mike Wallace went to Minnesota, went to Miami first.

[Joe Johnson]

I can't. I can't remember. I can't remember.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then he ended up going to Baltimore, right?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't remember. I remember that nigga Mike was fast.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. What you trying to say? You saying the wide receivers, they come from the Steelers. They don't do nothing when they leave.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know why they have these issues when they're in Pittsburgh. That's what I don't get. Because, I mean, they're immensely talented. San Antonio Holmes was Super bowl mvp, Ocho, and they let him walk.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, AB.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he still might because he's a Hall of Fame talent. I just think he's going to have to wait a lot longer than what he should have based on the numbers that he put up. Ocho. That's all I'm saying. Claypool, I don't know what had happened to him. Martavius Bryant, we know he had some issues, but you look at the receiver, the one thing Steelers can do, ojo, they could draft receivers. I don't know how.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they gonna always. Always the Steelers. Listen, the Steelers, the Bengals, who else Always have A receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Cowboys, they had Emmanuel Sanders. Emmanuel Sanders was great in Denver. Yeah. But they just couldn't pay everybody. Yeah. So I. I mean, some of them. But some of the guys that they kept. They ended up having issues and ended up leaving. Is Claypool still in the league?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I'm not sure either, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know. I know. One thing. This is. This is. This is a do it, do or die, do or die season for George Pickens. His back is against the wall. He deserves to be paid. I understand the. The. The talent. You know, the talent. People in the chat watch the game of football. Despite whatever issues he may have on field sometimes, some of the antics, he is immensely talented when used the right way. I think that. I think the Steelers kind of didn't do him due justice, and obviously he didn't help his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I mean, the Steelers didn't have no quarterback to do him justice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that. That, that, that too. So what he did with what he had to work with, he did the best he could. Now going where he's going now with another elite partner on the other side of you, but he gonna eat. I'm telling you, he gonna eat. He. He gonna eat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned, Ocho, the NFC east, you got C.D. pickens, neighbors Debo, McLaurin, Devonte and A.J. brown.

[Joe Johnson]

But they loaded over there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that the best. Is that the best division for receivers?

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm from. From top to bottom. Now, the other. The other good receivers in the other divisions, but they. Well, they take the cake, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

They take the cake.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, most teams like. Yeah, they don't have. I mean, I think that. I think that the NFC north with Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay. Yeah, they got nice look, but not like this.

[Joe Johnson]

No, not like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not like this.

[Joe Johnson]

They got some good ones.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nfc, let's see. NFC West. Nope. NFC South. Nope. NFC North. We just mentioned the North. AFC South. No, the AFC West. Now, AFC south got some good ones. Cause they got Travis Hunter. They got Brian Thomas Jr. Hey, that's. They got Tank. They got Nico.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tennessee got. No, Tennessee got. Tennessee got Calvin Ridley.

[Joe Johnson]

Ridley. He by himself, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I think he is by himself. Because Traylon Brooks ain't working. He ain't working. And then you got the ones in Indy, and he got a nice little.

[Joe Johnson]

Squad, but still, it's not like the NFC.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, AJ's been to the Pro Bowl. McLaurin, Debo, Neighbors, CD. I think Pickett's been to the Pro bowl once. Devonte yeah. So all these guys Pro bowl players? Yeah. NFC. He's got the best receivers. A photo of Kenny Pickett from today's practice has gone viral, particularly his hand size.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he's saying his hand small. Huh? His hand small. You saw the comparison. You saw the side by side with him and Flacco holding the ball the same way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I see that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, they got a side by side, same picture, same pose with both of them dropping back. And the difference in hand size is crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He must be miss Rudolph must put that curse on him. You know where Richard Pryor told how Ms. Rudolph the Little monkey hands say where that monkey go? Ms. Rudolph say, if you don't bring me my goose or my turkey, you will see him again.

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No purchase necessary VGW Group void where prohibited by law. 21 + terms and conditions apply. Falcons fans are upset that the first round draft pick Jalen Walker will wear number 11. Julio Jones is the fastest player in history to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 and 13,000 yards. He most seasons averaging 100 yards a game. Most season with 250 yards. But the Falcons gave away his number 11 with the quickness and didn't retire. Should that Falcons have given away a number 11? No. Yes they should. They should not have given it away. Absolutely not.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean he's the best wide.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Receiver in Falcons history.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, look, I know dream. And what's the other one? White. Roddy white.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

84. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had you know, Billy White Shoes Johnson. They had Alfred Jenkins.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, Jumeo different different. But you know, you know owners I don't think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. They didn't. They didn't leave on the best of terms.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Owners don't see see it the same way we see it. You know, in understanding what they meant for the franchise. The way fans see Julio. I mean one of the best. Not actually one of. One of the best all time. Not only that, but one of the. The best receiver to come out of your organization and they just don't see the value in that. Especially to retire Jersey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I guess they don't seem to think nobody should get the jury retired to the. Well, let's see if they give that number eight away. What. What number is Michael Penny Jr. Cuz Matt Ryan was eight, right. Two Mike Robbers, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's see if they. Somebody give that too. You think they gonna get that two away, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I listen, I mean, there was, there was also a little, a little. Not turmoil, just a little incident. Somebody with the Browns took two from Shador.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he already had it or he took. What you mean?

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, so another player. I'm not sure who the player is. I don't, don't, I don't, don't quote me. I don't want to butcher anybody's name, but he chose two, and Shador have to wear 12.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm saying, I'm saying he new to the Browns or he already been there, ojo. That's what I'm asking.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. But I definitely think Julio, they should not have given that number, that number 11, to anybody. That's Julio Jones number.

[Joe Johnson]

I wouldn't even want to wear it. I wouldn't even want to wear it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's why I be wondering when some of these kids be coming out and they be wanting some of these legends numbers. I'd be like, man, why would you want to even do that?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You see, Abdul Carter wanted to wear 56 for the Giants.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, 56. And number 11. Cause Phil Sims wore number 11 is retired.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stray's numbers retired, I think is Don Meredith numbers retired. Maybe Ya Tittle. I don't know. I think Jazz up. Don't have many numbers retired, but they got a few.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think Stray. I know Stray. I think Strays Lt Sims.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. Oh, yeah. Oh, well, yeah, but they definitely should have Julio Jones number. Should be. They shouldn't. Nobody should wear that number. He was, he was too good. And I, I, I get it. See, sometimes I think Ocho people allow the last year to ruin 10 or 11 really great years.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And although it didn't end on the best of terms. Right. He's still Julio. He still, he still did a great job for that organization. He was a model citizen in. And that should, you know. Yeah. I mean, for him to be, to be what he was for that organization, the numbers that he put up, I definitely think he was more than deserving to have that number retired.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it happens at age. I remember when I left, I left, I left Denver and went to, went to Baltimore. They gave my number.

[Joe Johnson]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chris. What's Chris Last name? I forget now. Damn. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You won Super Bowls over there then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. What was Chris? Damn. I forget the guy's name. Now, in 2000, who wore number two? 84 in 2000. But when I came back, it was in my locker, bro. I was like, you actually thought I was gonna come back here and you was gonna be 84 and I was gonna be another number? You thought that? Man, please. Chris Cole. Yeah, Chris Cole. Where's he from? Texas A. Yeah, I seen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you know, playmaker. He like. He like. For the wide receivers, the Wear his numbers, though. Michael Eric.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Cause. Cause he said they talk about him when they talk about who wore that number.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they got their own little.

[Joe Johnson]

There.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they don't really. I mean, like, they don't really retire a whole lot of numbers like the Steelers. I mean, it's only a handful of people that had that. Like Joe Green, I think. I think Joe Green, 75, Terry Bradshaw, 12, Ernie Stner. I think Ernie wore 72. But they ain't a whole lot, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, DeAndre Carr.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, if they. If they. If they retired all them Steelers, great, man. You ain't gonna have no numbers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you gonna have no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like Boston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you think. You think about swan. 88, 82, 32, 12, 47. I think Mel Blunt might. Number might be retiring. Blunt. I mean, look at. Look at all those hall of Famers. They had like five or six on defense at one time. Two receivers, the center, running back, quarterback. So that's five on offense. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Jack Ham Lambert, Donnie Shell. Five on defense. So you got 10 hall of Famers out of your 22. How you like that, Ocho? You're coaching the hall of Fame, and your owner.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy, the R boy, was the real deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And you can make a case. LC Greenwood should be in the hall of Fame, but I definitely think Julio. They did, huh? Yes. Officially, it's like Joe Green. Okay. Okay. Officially retired is number 70, Ernie Stockton. Ernie Stockton was a. He was ID line coach when I was in Denver. Joe Green and Franco Harris. Those numbers are officially retired. Unofficially retired. Terry Bradshaw, Jerome Bettis, Troy polamalu, Mel Blood, 47, and Mike Webster. I don't want none of those numbers. Mel Blood made him change the game, made him change the rules. Mike Webster, I believe, is probably the greatest center to ever play. Now, you can make a case, you know, Dwight Stevens, Jim Otto. But, hey, he's on the short list, Troy. Hey, he wanted two or three best receivers. Me, Ed. I think Ed's the greatest safety.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, hey, you ain't gonna get no. You ain't gonna get no. There are some people that says, hey, Troy was every bit the equal, but I just thought Ed took the ball away more, turned it into points. All right, time for our final segment of the evening is now. It's time for Q and A. Dab Smith said ain't nobody worried about them Cowboys. Same team that had nine Pro bowlers and got smacked by the Packers. See that, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sean camp said number 21, a retired prime went to the hall of Fame as a Falcon. No, it's not like baseball where they put the cap on there. They'll list all the teams that you played for in football. So the Falcons are on there, the. The 49ers are on there. The Cowboys are on there. The Washington football team is on there, and the Ravens are on there. It's not like baseball where you get to choose a cap to go into the hall of fame. Russell843. Ocho, do you mind if someone were the number for the Bengals? Well, Isaac Curtis made that number famous. Ocho took somebody number. Y' all see y' all don't see y' all. You talking about Ocho. Ocho was not the first 85. I know what.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I made 85 known globally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord.

[Joe Johnson]

Globally, not just here in the States. You have to understand who you're talking to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

This is different. When people see the number 85, it resonates with Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. It does.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It does.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. That's no disrespect to the great set of 185, but also they gave it to. Tyler Eiford had 85. I'm sure somebody's gonna have 85 this year. I'm sure at some point. But shit, I ain't do nothing worthy of getting my damn number retired. No damn way. Shit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I think. Hold on. I think if prime would have had his career that he had. Now, see, here's the thing. He ain't gonna win no Super Bowls at the Falcons. He probably not gonna win defensive player of the year with the Falcons. So he had to go elsewhere. Cause he said, man, they tried to get. And the thing was don't show. They let him walk. They ain't even putting no tag on time. Casey Taylor said, as Ocho would say, don't cheat. Dunk on. Yo, which two teams have the most retired jerseys? Hell, probably the. The packers and the Bears probably. Cause they've been playing the longest. Yeah. Brands and Giants. Okay. I do. Packers. Packers were sorry there for. For stretch. Once they got. Once they got out the 60s, they were good and terrible. Dude, a foul code donated 50 and said if the Knicks win game three, man. Yeah, boy. What's it called? Gonna be on one. Bria Carter said it's time to have that convo about Jason Tatum. Hey, they better win this series.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they got an uphill clown. Yeah, they got a tough one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Op 30, Jason Tatum. I left my wife because she gave me an ultimatum. The Celtics repeated game one verbatim. Knicks in five. Chris Flores, Jayson Tatum, Shannon Tatum, Jason Statham, Nixon. Five won't show. They said, yeah, I told you the six foot Aquarius. We need old school. Knicks, Pacers, conference finals with a final appearance on the line. All the OGs from the past should come out for this one. Oh, they would.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Except I don't know if Dolan gonna let Oak back in the arena. He might have to go to. He might have to go to Indy and see that. But I definitely could see Xavier McDaniels and Charles Smith, Starks, Ewing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See those guys coming back and then the Davis boys. I don't know if Rick Smith still in the States. Reggie. Well, yeah, Reggie would now. I don't know. Reggie might be calling the game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Calling the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So he'll be there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Casey Taylor, ISO in the NFL always wanted AP Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin J. To win rings in the NBA. You invent sports and tracing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man. I had a chance too. Look, so look, when I was in Brooklyn, I took a buyout and I signed with the Miami Heat. Yeah, that was when I took my buyout. I was talking to LeBron and D. Wade. So those are my two choices on the teams I was going to go to that year. Cleveland, they came back from that 3:1 deficit in Ocho and they won the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, 2016.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's the year I signed with Miami, though. I signed with Miami cause a number, a couple things. First off, they only had one ball handler, which was D. Wade. And I'm like, right, I want to be able to handle that thing. I want to be able to dribble that thing. You go play in Cleveland, you got Kyrie, Braun and Kevin. It's only two other spots. Me, J.R. richard Jefferson. We're gonna be fighting for them two spots. I'm like, man, listen, I'm gonna go over here to Miami. I'm gonna go over here and help D. Wade. They were lasting three point shooting and it was a fun deal. Whiteside got hurt in the playoffs, which is why, you know, we came up short. But it was fun playing in Miami, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kemper, Norwood Jr said unk. My question is, after LeBron retires, who you going to root for, player wise SGA. Ant man. And Luca.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know where he going?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. It's out of Ant man or Luca.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man. Come on, stop playing, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my only two choices because I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don'T know why you playing around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause Luca, man, you know, growing up, my favorite player was Larry Bird, and Luca reminded me of Bird.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He a bad boy unless he rubod donated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle Nocho, I still see you guys stream on my platform. What is it, Rubler? I still hope to see you guys stream on my platform, Rubler. Is that it? Okay, sure. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy Dog. What it do? Hey, fam. Ocho. Congrats on your pilot's license. Since you're looking for more jobs, have you ever thought about bull riding? I think you would kill it. I have the perfect stage name for you. Rodeo Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Rodeo Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I should. Listen, I'm already. I've already bull riding once. I might as well do it again. I've been looking to be a content creator, man. I know. I see everybody creating content, but I want to do content right where I want to push the envelope a little bit, Joe. I'm going to push the envelope a little bit where it's, like, almost dangerous, where I could actually get hurt. So, like, I want. I want people to almost cringe right before I do something like, okay, this is almost life or death. I wonder what's going to happen, but I just don't know where to start.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do. Do the vert on a skateboard like Tony Hawk.

[Joe Johnson]

That's easy, huh? You know, I know the skateboard already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you don't. No, go on that vert.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, did you survive the half?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The half? Yeah, yeah, that.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I like that. That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tay. Say you think baseball is wrong for not letting certain players in the hall of Fame, not even the PD guys, but it's hard to make it to the MLB hall of Fame. NBA is easy as hell, and NFL does pretty good. Well, the thing is, with basketball, they take everything. They take college, they take international, they take NBA. In football, they only take what you did in the NFL. And I think in baseball, they only take what you did in mlb. Everybody that said the greatest player that they've ever seen with their own two eyes is Barry Bonds. Seven MVPs. Even if you strip away. Even if you take away everything that he did in San Francisco, he still got three MVPs in Philly. I mean, in Pittsburgh. If you take a he's still the only guy with 400 home runs and 400 stolen bases. That's before he even set foot in San Francisco. So strip San Francisco. San Francisco does not happen. Is he not a Hall of Famer? Yep. Red bull underscore 675. Hey, don't worry. Cause next year can be Steph Curry in a hurry. Edie McFlurry next to Eddie Murray. Lakers in five. We gonna get us a big man. We need a big we. We can't do anything. She in the chat again. It's time to have the conversation about Jason Tatum. You know what, Bri? We're gonna have a conversation. When Joe come back next week, we're gonna have the conversation about Jayson Tatum. Now, hopefully it's a good conversation. If they down three old they down, they get swept. We're gonna have a very uncomfortable conversation. A very, very, very, very, very uncomfortable conversation.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. Y' all know me. I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend Bingo. Ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And joining us, contributing to us and all things basketball from Arkansas, the Little Rock native, Arkansas alum ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thank you again. Thank you for your support. Thank you guys. We really, really appreciate. I know it was tough tonight because that last game was not a whole lot to talk about and we always lead with the final game. But thank you guys for your support and your continued support. And because of you, we get to do what we do. Make sure you check out shave by the Portier. We do have it in stock. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online and we'll ship it direct directly to your door. Voted best premium VSOP on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Tickets for our Not Safe for Work tour are on sale eight stops. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, LA, Miami, NYC, Chicago and Detroit. Tickets can be found at shayshaymedia.com tour. That's shayshaymedia.com Tour go get your tickets now to check out UNC and Ocho. Thank you guys. Again. Thunder pummel the Nuggets 149 to 106 and the Knicks come back down 20 to take a 20 lead on the road 9190 over the Boston Celtics. It shifts to Madison Square Garden on Saturday. Thank you for joining us again. I'm unk he's ocho, he's ISO. See you tomorrow.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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