Nightcap Hour 2: Dave East TALKS New Album Karma 4 + Mike Tomlin's OUT OF CHARACTER comments on Browns TRADING Flacco

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2 — Dave East on "Karma 4" & NFL Hot Takes

Date: October 14, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson)
Guest: Dave East

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed episode of Club Shay Shay: Nightcap explores both hip hop and NFL hot topics. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson welcome Grammy-nominated rapper Dave East, who shares insights on his new album, Karma 4, his journey to independence, and his basketball roots. The panel then dives into NFL coaching drama, hot-take debates about quarterback moves, and authentic locker-room talk, blending sports analysis with barbershop banter.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Dave East Talks "Karma 4" and Creative Process

(Starts 02:44)

• Album Overview:

  • Karma 4 is Dave East’s first fully independent project.
  • Features include Nipsey Hussle, Wiz Khalifa, Larry June, Key Glock, Mozzie, Jeremih, Jacquees & more.
  • "I’ve been signed since I came in the game, like 2015… it feel good to put it all together myself."
    — Dave East [03:36]

• Collaboration Process:

  • Dave emphasizes the challenge of aligning busy collaborators but notes all the features came from real relationships.
  • "Everybody got back to me when they could. It was love."
    — Dave East [04:39]

• Artwork Inspiration & Tupac Influence:

  • The album art pays homage to Tupac’s iconic Vibe magazine photo:
    "Me and Pac got a lot of similarities… beyond just the music to the acting, the Gemini… with me being independent now… I wanted to pay homage to Tupac."
    — Dave East [07:22]

• Influences and Lyricism:

  • Raised on varied hip hop influences: Big Pun, Nas, Hov, DMX, Snoop, Outkast, Dipset, etc.
  • "I never was really in a box... me growing up and paying attention to all them different styles, it gave me my style."
    — Dave East [05:42]

• Balancing Old & New Sounds:

  • "With me, I gotta do it my way… but my ear is always to the streets, to what’s going on today."
    — Dave East [08:37]
  • Discusses adapting sound while staying authentic amid fans clamoring for “the old Dave East.”

• Music as Evolution:

  • "You can’t have the same child twice… each one of my bodies of work is like a kid."
    — Dave East [10:26]

2. Ballin’ Before Rappin’: Dave East’s Hoops Journey

(Starts 11:28)

• Dave played college basketball at Richmond and Towson, initially dreaming only of playing pro ball — "I never thought I was gonna be no rapper."
  — Dave East [11:40]

• Admits hoops “broke my heart” but is grateful music gave him a new path.

• Knicks Fandom:

  • Lifelong New York Knicks fan, attends games and reps the city.

• Rap Game Hoops:

  • Shannon: “Every name come up when I ask about rappers who can hoop — Dave East got real game for real.”
    — [13:04]
  • Dave explains many rappers start hooping after getting famous, but he’s got legitimate hoops roots and “can’t swindle nobody now” because tape is out there.

3. Adapting to Streaming Culture & Social Media

(Starts 15:10)

• Dave joined "Castanet MafiaThon 3," highlighting the importance of adapting to digital/streaming trends:
  • "That streaming world is a whole new… animal. And it got all the kids in a headlock…It was a dope opportunity for me… they living how you would want to live as a kid."
    — Dave East [15:23]

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4. NFL Coaching Firings & Franchise Patience

(Starts 20:02)

• Discussion of Titans firing Brian Callahan and how franchises churn through coaches and GMs.
• Chad: “This ain't a microwavable plate... you don't draft a quarterback, have a new coach and put him out there... and have success right away.”
  — Chad Johnson [20:54]
• Shannon: “They don't have patience, Ocho... They fired the general manager, they fired Brable, they fried, ran Carthon, and guess what? Now they fried Brian Callahan.”
  — Shannon Sharpe [22:17]
• Ownership often lacks football background, treating it too much like a business and not understanding the process.

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5. Debate: Authenticity vs. ‘Snitching’ in Football

(Starts 33:42)

• The panel discusses Mike Tomlin's unusually candid critique of the Browns trading Joe Flacco.
• Shannon lauds "authenticity," while Chad debates the difference between being real and "snitching out" teammates or coaching staff publicly.
• Memorable Exchange:
  • Chad: "There's a difference between snitching and being authentic in your answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked."
    — Chad Johnson [39:28]
  • Shannon: "Snitching only takes place in the street… You and I do not partake in that… But as a quarterback in the NFL… there are things that you can and cannot do."
    — Shannon Sharpe [39:39, 40:50]

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6. Quarterback Controversies: Justin Fields & Tyrod Taylor

(Starts 43:03)

• Lamenting Justin Fields’ struggles with the Jets and Tyrod Taylor’s role.
• Chad: “As good as Justin Fields is… you just have to find a way to string all those qualities together consistently…”
  — Chad Johnson [43:36]
• Discussion about patience with young QBs:
  • “It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho. At this level, that clock’s got to go off...”
    — Shannon Sharpe [44:29]

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7. Coaching Contracts & Buyouts: Penn State & More

(Starts 48:05)

• Penn State’s firing of James Franklin; debate over contract clauses requiring job search and offset pay.
• "You take that money, there's an expectation… Results must follow every time."
  — Shannon Sharpe [53:05]
• Jimmy Sexton as the agent mastermind behind huge buyouts; contrast to coaches with less savvy contract clauses.

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8. Rapid Fire: Q&A & More Sports Takes

(Starts 53:19)

• Fan questions include best athletes watched, QB legacies (esp. Aaron Rodgers), the greatest college football teams, and NFL running back supremacy.
• Chad: "Neymar, Mayweather… Djokovic." [66:47]
• Shannon: "LeBron. Serena. Bolt." [67:16]
• On Aaron Rodgers: "He’s going to go down as one of the ten best quarterbacks to ever play… as gifted at throwing the football as anyone…”
  — Shannon Sharpe [68:33]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Independence:
  "Ain’t got no middleman with that." — Dave East [05:14]

• On Adapting in Hip Hop:
  "You gotta be able to adapt. If you don’t, your sound becomes dated …But I’m always… up to date with all the lingo." — Dave East [08:37]

• On Being a Knicks Fan:
  "I gotta go Knicks, man… they didn't let me down a lot in my lifetime." — Dave East [12:32]

• Locker Room Code:
  "Anything… inside that locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home." — Chad Johnson [39:54]

• On Authenticity:
  "If you are a coach or a quarterback at the highest levels, you cannot be authentic." — Shannon Sharpe [53:51]

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------| | 02:44 | Dave East joins, Karma 4 discussion | | 04:17 | Album collaborations process | | 05:19 | Tupac inspiration for artwork | | 08:02 | New York rap, adaptation, lyricists | | 11:28 | Basketball history, Knicks fandom | | 13:17 | Dave East’s reputation as a baller | | 15:23 | Streaming, Castanet Mafia experience | | 20:02 | Titans firing Brian Callahan, patience | | 33:42 | "Authenticity" vs. "snitching" debate | | 43:03 | Justin Fields, Tyrod Taylor discussion | | 48:05 | James Franklin’s Penn State contract | | 53:19 | Q&A, sports hypotheticals, fun banter | | 66:47 | Top athletes the hosts enjoy watching | | 68:33 | Aaron Rodgers legacy |

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers a dynamic mix of hip hop artistry and deep-dive NFL talk with characteristic candidness and camaraderie. Dave East’s segment provides a vivid glimpse into the struggles and triumphs of going independent in the music business, while the hosts keep it real (and real funny) discussing current football turmoil, locker-room culture, and the nature of “keeping it authentic.”

Whether you’re here for the music or the football (or both), Shannon, Ocho, and Dave East deliver an energetic hour that’s as insightful as it is entertaining.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Diplo? I pulled up real quick.

[Chad Johnson]

He was about to leave on tour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're about to jump in your tour.

[Chad Johnson]

Bus, and we had like three hours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was really cool.

[Dave East]

He really just, like, randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to show you.

[Dave East]

And I was like, okay.

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We'll get back to that. Now it's time to welcome in Grammy nominated rapper. They tell me he's a great Hooper. They say he one of the best Hoopers in the rap game. They say, hey, when he come up, everybody all of a sudden they can't find their shoes. He has an album coming out, Karma 4 that will be released actually on my daughter's birthday. 10, 15, 25. Here he is, Davies. Dave. What it do, bro?

[Dave East]

Yo, what up, my boy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm good. We got.

[Dave East]

Oh, Joe, what up?

[Chad Johnson]

None. Chilling, man. Chilling, man. What's good? Everything good.

[Dave East]

Yeah, everything healthy, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, I'm looking at the Karma 4 features collaborations. Nipsey Hussle, Wiz Khalifa, you got Larry June, Key, Glock, Mozzie, Jeremiah, Jaques, Mano. Tell us a little bit about the album. What makes this album so special for you?

[Dave East]

It's my first official independent joint. You know, I mean, I've been signed since I came in the game, like 2015. I was signed with Nas early on, I went on the Def Jam. So it feel good to, you know, put it all together myself. And the last call I dropped was 2020. So it's been five years since I did that, touched into that series. So it feel good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when it comes to making an album, especially with, when you have collaboration like you do, how difficult is it to, to have everybody on the same page, you know, hey, listen, I need, I need, I need a verse. I need you to do this, send you the beat. How difficult is to complete an album of this magnitude when you have collabs like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's. Yeah, it's.

[Dave East]

Yeah. No, it take a while, you know, you know what I'm saying? Because everybody got different schedules, everybody running around doing whatever they doing. So I would say the hardest part is just the time, you know, I mean, like I had, I had. It was a few features I had that, that got right at the end, you know what I'm saying? Like right before I turned it in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, thank you, bro.

[Dave East]

Like, you know what I'm saying? But I would say overall, everybody that I worked with on this album I got a, a personal relationship with. So nothing was forced, you know, I mean, it was, it Was all natural. Everybody got back to me when they could. It was. It was love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's always nice to have a personal relationship. Because is it like, when you with a. A big studio, they reach out and do a lot of this for you and. Because, like, okay, hey, such and such, you know, Sony, Epic or whoever, Capital Records or whatever the case may be. But now, because you say I got a personal relationship, hey, you just pick up the phone and hit them your damn self.

[Dave East]

That's a fact. That's 100% fact. I ain't got no. No middleman with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The artwork for Karma 4 is an homage to Tupac's iconic VAG magazine cover shoot, which recently celebrated its 30th anniversary. Right.

[Dave East]

Who are some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, obviously, when you do this, like, the Tupac thing. So obviously, Tupac was a big inspiration for you. But who's some of the other inspirations? Who are some of the rappers you like? Okay. I kind of like. I kind of like their style. I kind of like their beat.

[Dave East]

Growing up, I was a big, Big Pun fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Dave East]

I was a. Of course, Nas, hov, dmx. DMX really probably made me feel like I. I wanted to, like, write my own rap. I would probably. I would get at the dmx. God bless his soul. It was a lot back then for me, like, just coming up, I never was really in a box. I listened to Snoop Dog Pound. I listen to Outkast in Atlanta. I listen to basically everything that was coming out of New York. Rough Riders, all of that dipset. I gotta. I gotta ear for a lot, you know? I mean, so I think me growing up and paying attention to all of them different styles, it. It gave me my style, like, musically, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The COVID was that your idea or was that. Well, you independent now, so it had to be your idea.

[Dave East]

Like, it was a record, you know what I mean? You know what that was? My shouts, my cousin Check, he's a die hard. Like, I. I love Pac. I got Pac tatted on me, but he's a die hard. Die hard. Like, okay, Every lyric, he know all the unreleased that nobody never heard. Like, he's a POC fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You feel me?

[Dave East]

So one day we in the studio chopping it up, and he said, yo, I gotta. I got a record on the album called Crazy. He was like, yo, for that video, I'm gonna put on the. Andy kind of look like Pac, he got the ball. He remind me of Pac, my cousin, but he like, yo, I'm gonna do the straight jacket in the Video, you know what I'm saying? And we gonna, we gonna recreate the park. I'm like, yeah, nah, I'm gonna put the straight jacket on, like. So I basically kind of took his idea.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, you took his idea, you know what I mean?

[Dave East]

But I, I, I remember that vibe that, that, that issue when Pac was on that cover. Me and Pac got a lot of similarities, I believe, beyond just the music to the acting, the Gemini, the, It's a, I just got a lot of connections to Tupac. And I felt like with me being independent now and a lot of things I've been through is it, it's enough to drive you to the edge, you know what I'm saying? And I think I balance it well. So I really wanted to pay homage to Tupac with the COVID That's basically was the gist of that, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, no, I was gonna say, when it comes to, to the era of music that we're in now, the sound, the way people rap, obviously, when you think about New York rappers, you think about lyricists, right? Actually being able to understand what everybody is saying. You have an ear for the game. You've been in the game for a very long time, right? Is it easy to, to stay true to being a lyricist, being that you from New York, right, Or wanting to adjust to the sound of how music is right now, or the time that we're in? It changes every 10 years, right?

[Dave East]

I think, I think in any lane, you gotta, you gotta be able to, you know, add. Add whatever's going on, right? To what you got going on. That's the word I was looking for. You got to be able to adapt. Because I think if you don't adapt, then your sound becomes dated, your sound becomes the old, you know what I mean? Nobody wants to be the old. So I think with me, I gotta do it my way. I gotta stick to what I know, stick to what I love. But I'm always, my ear is always to the streets, to what's going on today, you know what I mean? So production wise, what I'm talking about, the lingo, I'm up to date with, all of that, what the kids is talking about, you know what I mean? So I' ma always add that into the music and what I'm talking about on the songs, you know what I'm saying? So the kids that might be 10 to 15, 20 years younger than me, they can still be like, oh, I know what he's talking about, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, Dave. But the thing is, it's really tough to adapt because you have a sound and people are used to that sound. And a lot of times when people try to get out of that box, people like, man, I don't like the old Davies. I don't like this new Davies. And so you have to walk a tightrope of, like, giving the people the original, the OG Davies that they're used to hearing while trying to sprinkle some new flavor in. Because it is a fine line, because you hear a lot of time, man, I like the old sound better all the time.

[Dave East]

All the time. But you know what? I tell people to that, bro. I feel like with music, for me, I can only speak for myself what music is, like, what am I going through at that time? Where's my life at that time? So a lot of that. A lot of times people like the music. When I was still living in the projects, I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was broke.

[Dave East]

I was trying to figure it out. I ain't had no jewelry. I ain't had no calls, so I might have sounded like I was starving, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't. When I go back and listen to it, I don't really hear too much of difference besides my voice, my tone of my voice. I got older. But I feel like with that, you can never. Like, you can't have the same child twice. You know what I mean? Like, that's how I kind of treat it. Like. And each one of my bodies of work is like a. It's like a kid. Like, you know, I mean, like, I put certain amount of time into that project. I. I was emotionally going through this during this project. Like, you know, I mean, like, I can't recreate those feelings. I can't recreate people that might have died and was around me while I was making that music and the energy I was getting off of them. And now they're not around them, you mean? So it's like, yeah, people don't know that it takes to putting into the music. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think it's just growth, bro. Like, and the people that really, really rock with me, they grow with me, you know what I mean? Like, as. As time go on, they grow with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You played college ball at the University of Richmond, transferred to Towson, clearly. Did you. Did you have hoop dreams? Or was it like, you know, were you rapping and hooping at the same time?

[Dave East]

I never was. I never thought I was gonna be no rapper. I never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I Never seen that.

[Dave East]

I thought the league, that's all my mom, my pops, my grandma, that's. You know, by the time I made it to college playing ball, that's all I had been pushing up to that point. Like my family was behind it. Yeah, that just went left, you know what I mean? But the talent was there. I was blessed with all of the height, everything. God gave me, all the tools I needed to play basketball, you know what I'm saying? It was just my. My mindset at 17, 18 years old, it wasn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wasn't what it needed to be. You weren't as disciplined and structured, 100%. So who's your team?

[Dave East]

In? What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

In basketball?

[Dave East]

In the. In the NBA?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man, Knicks.

[Dave East]

I gotta go. I gotta go next, man. You know, I mean, I gotta go. I gotta go big and wild, bro. I gotta go next. They, they, they let you down? They. They didn't let me down a lot in my lifetime, you know, I've been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here a little while. All your life, Your entire lifetime, Some of your lifetime.

[Dave East]

Yeah, my pops can remember last time, you know, I mean, they got that joint, so. Yeah, but I'm a, I'm a Knick fan, bro. I'm at the games, I rep them, you know, I mean, right? I'm a ride with New York because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody, when we talk, when I talk. I've interviewed a lot of guys on Club Shay Shay. We have guys here on Nightcap. And every name come up when I thought they talk about rappers, who they talk, man. Davies, man. Dave, he's got real game, for real.

[Dave East]

Oh, the basketball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I was talking to Herbo, I was talking to Chris Breezy, I was talking to Snoop. I was talking to Wit. I was. I was talking to everybody. Your name is the first name come up. So I guess you, you be taking, you be taking these, these rappers money, Dave.

[Dave East]

Nah, you know what it is? I think, to be honest with you, bro, I think a lot of rappers and I don't know nobody, like they, they background and they life and all that, but I think once they got on to whatever it is they got on, got their money, it became like a pastime for them, like a hobby, you know what I mean? Like something they do in their free time now that they've made it, you know what I'm saying? Before I ever thought about rapping or making a song, I was hoping, I was hoping, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, really, really, you know what I mean? I was on that, like, so I feel like that. And the Fact that now they got footage out of me. Somebody put a clip together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't swindle nobody now, huh?

[Dave East]

I'm a rapper now, man. I do the rap thing now, man. I acted a little bit here and there, but I fell in love with the music. Basketball broke my heart, man. I gave basketball mad years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it.

[Dave East]

It ain't go how I wanted it to go, so I had to hurry up and find something else, you know what I mean, to kind of save face like my mom's. And it was like, I. What you gonna do now? Like, you blew that opportunity. What you. I mean, so I'm. I'm thankful for this music, bro. I'm real thankful for it. Who.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who's your football team?

[Dave East]

The G's, man, The Giants.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, yeah.

[Dave East]

Hey, I just went to the game and we just. We just. We just beat the birds, man. You know what I'm saying? We just packed them up. So, I mean, I. I felt I was actually in attendance for that win. I felt good, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, y' all know you gonna come to my high this week, though, Dave, you know it ain't gonna go too well for y', all, man. Oh, y' all play the Broncos.

[Dave East]

Here you go. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You were recently on a part of Castanet mafia. Mafia. Thon 3. Yeah. So what. What's. What's mafia? What's it like?

[Dave East]

That was dope, man. Like, like, even with that, like, like y' all was just asking me, how do you keep. Adapt to what's going? Like that dreaming world is a whole new.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a whole different animal.

[Dave East]

That wasn't even going on when I came in. I ain't been in it that long. But that's super new. And it got all the kids in the headlock down to my daughter. That's. They was tuned into that, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I put out stuff all the time. They don't care nothing about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The cast did not.

[Dave East]

Come on, you know what I mean? I'm like, damn. But that was a dope opportunity for me and I just saluted. I was, I was. The energy in that crib was fire. Like, they just like, they living like how you would want to live as a kid, you know what I mean? Like, if you could just be big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They grown ass kids, you know what I mean?

[Dave East]

Like, you could just. You and all your homies in a big ass mansion doing whatever y' all feel like doing. I think it's dope. Bro, I think it's super dope for them to invite me up there and let me, let me do my thing up there. That was dope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's live his four his album Karma 4 will be released on Wednesday the 15th. He got got features with Nipsey Hussle, Wiz Khalifa's Larry June, key Glock, Mozzie, Jeremiah Jacques, just to name a few. Dave, thank you for joining us, man. Best of luck on the album, best of luck being independent. Thank you for coming by Nightcap, guys. Oh, Jordan, I really appreciate that.

[Dave East]

Appreciate y' all, man. You know that all the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate you.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Dave East. His new album Karma 4 drops on Wednesday. That's Caleb's birthday. Ojo the Titans have fired Brian Callahan just six games into his second season as head coach. His team was 4 19. The Titans were 3 and 14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting Cam Ward. With Callahan firing the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall, six of the past eight. See seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan. Ocho.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you think?

[Chad Johnson]

It's not. It's not the coaches. It's not the coaches, it's the owners. Hey Chat, stay with me real quick and understand this. The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right? The owners are businessmen, huh? And the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football, in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it. You throw money at it. And that return on investment, it happens right away when it comes to the game of football. This ain't, this ain't a microwavable plate. You don't, you don't draft the quarterback Have a new coach and put him out there on the field and think you all are going to have success right away. That's not the way it works. That's never been the way it works. Now sometimes you get a quarterback like you get a CJ Shroud, you get lucky, you get a Jaden Daniels, and you get lucky, you get a franchise altering quarterback right away. That changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win. But listen, I. Look, Brian Callahan getting fired, obviously, first year with camboard. It's not the microwave. This thing, food you can't just put in there and heat it up and all of a sudden you're going to have success. It just doesn't happen like that. It never has.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't have patience, Ocho. They're not letting anything develop. You know, I have, I used to have a saying. I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch. There's a process in which egg hatch into a chicklet. These, what these owners are doing, they're smashing eggs. They're not, they're not going to let it hatch. They fired the general manager, they fired Brable, they fried, ran Carthon, and guess what? Now they fried Brian Callahan.

[Chad Johnson]

What are they doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't know, do they do.

[Chad Johnson]

My, my point exactly. So obviously they're not football people. They're not. They're businessmen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, she is Amy Adams.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think, I think the last is pronounced Skunk.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Strunk. Her father, Mr. Bud Adams.

[Chad Johnson]

Bud Adams, Yeah. Okay, I know who that is. I know who that is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He passed away and turned it over to her. I don't know how involved she was at the time. So you inherit this business and, and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people to run the business now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years. His kids have been in the business from day one. So they're going to understand how this business works.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they, they have been a part of it since he purchased the team in 1989. They've been a part of it. I don't know how involved she was with it. So. And you're trusting other people. I don't know how involved they were with it. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's tough, Ojo. It's tough and it's not Like a, another business. Because Ocho, if your business is not doing well, you just don't, you just don't sell it. You just don't scrap your a, Start buying the CEO, start finding the vp, the coo. You don't start finding a whole bunch of people. You give it time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you have to, you don't have a choice. You have it like, but, but those that are in positions of power, I don't think they understand how the game of football works. You're drafting number one for a reason.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're terrible.

[Chad Johnson]

You drafted number one for a reason. That quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs. Yes, I mean that's just, that's the nature of the business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, true. But they say. But these young quarterbacks going to dysfunctional franchises, if they was functional, he wouldn't be there. What the hell. There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're bad. How would that be fair that Kansas City win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft? They, the Eagles win the champ, win the Super Bowl. They get the first pick of the draft. We talked about this the other day is that the Lakers won the championship in 82 and guess what they got? They got to select James Worthy number one overall.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How is that fair?

[Dave East]

Right?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. No, so normally the best, so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up. If we just put the, the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad. I just, I, I, they just, they're not going to give it time. OO they're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks. These quarterbacks are going to be getting $3 million. Three. Excuse me, 300 million.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so there's like, but this is.

[Chad Johnson]

The problem, this is the problem that scares me. If you only gave Callahan two years, right? You drafted Cam Ward. I'm not sure how much time he, I'm not sure how much, how many years are on his rookie deal. Do you have the patience?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got four plus to fifth year option.

[Chad Johnson]

Do you have the patience with him as well? So I don't know, stuff like that scares me. It scares me especially when you fire coach that early, knowing that you're drafting and, or you're picking in a position you're picking for, for a reason. Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a Goddamn thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't. I mean, hey, Baker Mayfield. Wasn't Freddie K fired doing Baker's rookie year. Right. So it. This is not. This is not new. This has been going on. You go back to last. You go back the last decade plus and go back and look at the 1 overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year.

[Chad Johnson]

Crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because a lot of times he was there the year before and they get the working quarterback and they get. You gotta go, yeah, okay, Hugh. Hugh, Jack. Okay. Okay. So see, it's. This is. This is not. This is not something new. It's been going on, but I think now we're starting like, damn. What do you expect from a team that, that let Derrick Henry go. You didn't get anything for him and you traded away A.J. brown for trilling. Brook Burks.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now he's in the. He's in. He was in Denver, I think, today or last week, working out. So do you think that is a team that is equipped.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You let Derrick Henry walk out the door scott free. You traded A.J.

[Dave East]

Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You the bet. You got. You had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable. Yeah. And you fired him.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn. Who, who, who gonna be the next coach?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Mike McCoy is. Was on the staff, so he's taken over. He was the head coach at the Chargers, so he's the interim.

[Dave East]

He was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was offensive coordinator in Denver when Denver went to that super bowl and they got the doors blown off him. But he. He decided he was at the. I think it was San Diego then in the end up moving. They went to the playoffs his first year, but then he ended up losing his job. So he. He's the interim coach at this point in time. I just don't think. I just don't think they have an idea. You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time, you fire him. You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years. That's not. That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program. I just don't. I just don't. I don't know if they're going to get it right this time around either, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, listen, if they don't. If they don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see if we can come away with. Get us a little opportunity, you know? Hey, listen, we could diversify our portfolio.

[Dave East]

No, I'm good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My portfolio is diversified.

[Dave East]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. You know, it don't hurt to add a little more. Now, can you imagine? Shannon Sharp, Manager, Tennessee Titans I. I've.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've made it abundantly clear I want no part. I want to cover the NFL in this capacity. I don't want to work for an organization.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In any capacity.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns and general manager Andrew Barry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals. Ocho let's take a listen to what Mike T. Had to say.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me. Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us because it doesn't.

[Dave East]

Make sense to me to trade a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area. But that's just my personal feelings. Look, Mike T. Don't. That's not his style. Mike T. Don't normally involve in the A. He always say, that's not us. That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers business.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But why you why you think Mike T. Stepped out of character?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, they asked him a question, he asked him a question. He gave him something different. He gave him something different. And obviously even he has to always show face and be someone that he's truly not. You know what? I feel like being myself today. I like that one thing I told Young that I want coaches. I want players to obviously start doing. Sometimes I want them to tell the truth. Sometimes I want them to say exactly how they feel. I want the locker room talk the conversations that are had to be said in front of camera. Now what he just said just. There is something that he would say if there were no cameras rolling. I enjoy that. That's authenticity, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you like what Tua said?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Tua.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I don't like that part.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's authenticity.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no. I don't like that. See, I'm. Listen that. I, I, I'm not, I'm not throwing nobody under the bus.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said you wanted authenticity.

[Chad Johnson]

You, you didn't. And you're not. You just, you're not. Listen to me. I don't like the snitching on people. I don't like that part. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want authenticity, you can get to pick and choo. Authentic. If it's authentic, you want it. That's what you said, Chad. Is that what he said?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Help me out. Chat.

[Chad Johnson]

You're confusing. Let's you, you don't, don't put authentic and snitching together. That's, that's not, that's not together. I like, I like Mike Thomas answer. Because there's something most coaches or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera. So the fact that he did say it and it was out of character for him as a head coach means it's authentic. That's how he really feels.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question.

[Chad Johnson]

Who did is to where it was snitching and throwing people under the bus that he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were they late? Were they late? Did they miss? Did he lie?

[Chad Johnson]

I wasn't there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What Tua said is what he was saying. If the cameras weren't there, that's, that's.

[Chad Johnson]

Called snitching on cameras or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said you want people to be authentic now you want them to be authentic sometime.

[Chad Johnson]

See, you going from, you going from one spectrum to the other. So if we were talking about two, I would say that snitching like I did yesterday. Now we talk about Mike Thom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is he being truthful? Is he being truthful? Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who Tua?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. We weren't there. We don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's. Hold on. You. How can it be if it, if, if he can't be snitching, then hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

We weren't there. We weren't there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he ain't snitching?

[Chad Johnson]

No, he's snitching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you know you were there.

[Chad Johnson]

Exactly? Because just the context and perspective of what I have to go off of you saying what we should Anyone?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I say nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me say something. We shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room. You shouldn't add the quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But we shouldn't know anything about what Mike Thomas thinking.

[Chad Johnson]

Why not? Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why not?

[Chad Johnson]

How you trying to compare the two?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying. You say you want authenticity.

[Chad Johnson]

I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said you want people to tell the truth.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was telling the truth. He was telling what he experienced. Guys coming late, guys missing. You didn't like that. Cause you said it's snitching. But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth. You want people. I want people to be themselves.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait a minute. Stay, stay, stay. Stay with me. Stay with me now. Now. I don't mind. I. I don't like the snitching part. You don't throw your teammates under the bus. As a captain, as a quarterback, you always take issues and put them on yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do now.

[Chad Johnson]

Mike Tomlin just giving his. His. His perspective based on, you know, the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals. There's nothing wrong with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just giving you his perspective of why they're losing.

[Chad Johnson]

No, stop. Stop trying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just go by what you say. You say you want people to live in their truth. You say, hey, oh. You say, oh, I just want people sometime. I just want people to come up there and tell what's on their mind. That what you told me. I said, ocho, you can't do that. You say, why not, Huh? I said, because it'd be a detriment to the team. You say, I don't care. I just want it to be true. I just want people to stay. You say, stay. Oh, stay with me just for a second. Stay with me right now. I said, okay, I'm gonna stay with Chocha.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you don't understand.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't understand, man, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All tour did was say, guys, the reason why we're losing. We got. We. The reason why we're losing is that when we have a meeting and we scheduled a meeting, our guys gonna show up. Are they gonna show up on time? When we say we're gonna do this, are we gonna do it? That's what he's saying. He would tell the truth.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't nobody business. That ain't nobody know. You don't conduct yourself like that as a player and mention about your players. You know that you don't put that business out there like that. You don't do that. Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know, he. He done Got everybody in trouble. We all go into jail for the tour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know. So in other words, you don't want people telling the truth all the time. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Come again?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you're saying you don't want people to tell the truth all the time? Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't want people snitching. Snitching, There's a difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked. Those are two different scenarios.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about this here? Snitching only takes place in the street. The street are snitching. When you partake in that activity, you're supposed to be a code.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You and I do not partake in that.

[Chad Johnson]

There's also an NFL code.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anything. What is it?

[Chad Johnson]

Inside that locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time, huh? So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you should. You just shouldn't snitch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, how can that. Man, listen, y' all see this, man?

[Chad Johnson]

We. We gotta live by a code. If we don't live by a code, what are we living for?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we got. So the locker room got the same code as the street?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yeah. What you mean, yes, the same? It's the same. You gotta live by the code. I'm just saying.

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[Chad Johnson]

You gotta live by the cold, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

And listen, it's an unwritten rule, too. Somebody doesn't even have to explain it. You just understand and know in that environment what you can and cannot do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As a quarterback in the NFL or as a coach in the NFL, there are things that you can and cannot do. Thank you. That's all I want to hear. We move on. Thank you. That's all I wanted you to say.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right. But then you have some people like myself that. Hey. That choose to do the opposite.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. That's all I wanted you to say. Ocho, I'm like, man, this man talking about, hey, I go up there, but why can't a quarterback just put people on blast? Why can't the quarterback? I say, ocho, you'll know. Goodwill. The quarterback can't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

When Ken Moore came out and said, I'm gonna be honest with y', all, man, we fucking ass like. That was refreshing, huh? That was refreshing. I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric, politically correct, from the same goddamn school.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was refreshing that Tua told us the truth. That Guys be coming in late. The guys be missing things. It was refreshing.

[Chad Johnson]

No, it was not. No. Hey, that goddamn cambod. Now that was some funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They asked tour what's going on all Tour said the reason what One of the reasons we might be. We got to take it serious. We got to make up our minds are we going to come into on time or the Met the meetings that we schedule, are we going to attend them? He was just being honest.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I got you. Okay. Oh, shoot. Now you got me thinking about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This man told me. This man been telling me it's fresh. It's a breath of fresh air.

[Chad Johnson]

It is like. And, but you didn't like it. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

That there's something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I understand. You said you wanted. I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that come along with it because I don't know. You know. According to reports of SNY network, Tyrod Taylor has the support of some people in the jets building as their QB one over Fields. They feel like Justin was given the job without any competition. Yes, he was. Justin Fields got two years at 40 million and Tyrod got backup money. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm, I'm mad things aren't working out. Honestly, to be honest, I, I really, I, I really thought, I really thought. This has been really, really good. Finally Justin Fields, you get your opportunity, you get your team, you get to be quarterback number one. You don't have to look over your shoulder. You don't have to worry about, you know, Russell Wilson or, or, you know, being pulled. Understand whenever you come.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chicago.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Chicago. Things didn't go. I, I'm like, God damn. Finally he gets his team. He goes to a place where they actually want him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson]

Where they actually want him. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world. And for some reason, obviously it just hadn't panned out. It hadn't panned out the way it would. As, as good as Justin Fields is, I've seen the flashes of brilliance from him. Whether it be throwing the ball, whether it be no running the ball or escaping the pocket and just extending plays. I mean, he can do it. You just have to find a way to string all those qualities together consistently, over and over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, Tyrod is not the athletic phenom that he's not. I mean, Tyrod, when he came into the league, now, Tyrod was athletic. Remember him at Virginia Tech?

[Chad Johnson]

He can go now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was the backup to Joe Flacco when they won the championship. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. Tyrod could play.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could play. And so I agree with you. But for whatever reason, it hasn't clicked yet for Justin Fields. It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho. And you know, at this level, at that level in which he's playing at what you and I played at, that clock's got to go off, guys. They gonna be running scot free. Yeah, guys are not going to be running scot free. You got to throw guys open. You gotta. You gotta throw with great anticipatory skills. And right now it's just like he's glitching, bro. You can't hold on to that ball, bro. This ain't seven on seven.

[Dave East]

They coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think. I think they give him a couple more games, Ocho.

[Dave East]

I do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's too soon. It's too soon to pull a plug right now, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not going 0 and 9 and not make changes. I've got to make some changes.

[Chad Johnson]

But what are they right now, the 0 and 6?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I go to 0 and 7, 0 and 8. What? What? Come on, Ocho. What you want me to do? Go owing 15 before I make a move?

[Chad Johnson]

What's the next three games? Hey, you know, once you. Once you make that move, if. If you go from. If you go from Justin Fields to Tyrod Taylor, that just. That just erases and scratches everything as far as him being.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to win games, okay? I'm talking about Panthers, about the future Panthers, okay? Bengals, Browns.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

It's either now or never. He won't get an easier stretch.

[Chad Johnson]

Easier?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He won't get an easier stretch.

[Chad Johnson]

Did you just. Did you just hit it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many games have The Panthers won? 2, 3? They're 3 and 3, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Did you just see that? The Panthers demolished the Cowboys or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they're three and three. Okay, what. What are the Bengals? Two and four. What's Cleveland? Two and four. Browns are one and five. So you got a three and three, a two and four and a one and five. Now give me the next three they got.

[Chad Johnson]

They got a chance of winning. Winning one out of those three because they ain't beating the pants of the Bengals.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins. Really?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, they might be the Dolphins.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, they might beat the Ravens.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah. Lamar be back by then. Hey, if. If things don't go well, do you even bring Lamar back at all? Or you just let him? Let him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Paying him $50 million? You damn right I'm bringing it back.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talking about.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, no. No chance at the playoffs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, who said they ain't got no chance at the playoffs?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just saying if they don't. Depending on when.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I mean, look, they're on the bye week this week, so this will be three weeks, almost four weeks a month. How severe was the hamstring injury? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, well, he'd be back next. He'll be back next week. Then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Franklin is required to look for another job in coaching or broadcasting according to the copy of the Penn State contract attained by Front Office Sport. If Franklin's new job pays him less than the 8 million he's owed annually through 2031, Penn State only owes him the difference. So he's required. I don't know why he put that in his contract.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crazy. I don't know why his agent let him. His agent couldn't have been Jimmy Sexton, because ain't no way Jimmy Sexton let you put that in your contract, right? Hell to the no. You fire me, don't worry about what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna draw the pension from you. That's what I'm gonna do.

[Total Wireless Ad Voice]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm worried about my check. Everything else ain't your business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Johnson]

Definitely ain't. That's. That's. That's unfortunate. You never want to see anybody lose their job, but that sucks. Now you got to pick up and leave. You've been there for a while. See, that's why I couldn't coach, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did Jimmy let him put that in there? Oh, my God.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hell, no, I'm. Who was Jimbo Fisher's agent? The guy that he got 80. That he got 80 million and he ain't got to do nothing out of there.

[Chad Johnson]

Jimbo gave him that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you see, Kirby Smarts buy out his 118 million.

[Total Wireless Ad Voice]

God.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, Kirby Smart won't have to. Won't be in that position no time soon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no way.

[Chad Johnson]

What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got. I mean, Jimmy Sexton is the coaches guy. I mean, probably what you say. 70 of the coaches. Probably 70 of the coaches. Jimmy Sexton represents them.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I ain't looking for no job you want.

[Chad Johnson]

Jimmy could represent us. You sure you don't want to put your hand in that? Put your hat now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hired who? Jimmy. Oh, oh, oh. Barstool gonna hire him for $1. So they owe him 7,999,000. That's funny work. One day A week. That is funny, but I'm not Ocho. We've been talking about this for, like, the last three weeks. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not surprised by this. And I. And there are Penn State. They were just in the college football playoffs. I said, I get all that. I said, but go back and look at his record against top 10 teams. Yeah. He's beaten one top 10 team in the Big Ten since he arrived. That was in 2016. He beat Ohio State. He's 4 and 21. The athletic director specifically stated it was against big games. You can't win big games. Now you losing to Northwestern. Now you losing the ucla, who had. Hadn't led all season long, hadn't won any games. Yeah, they got. You got to go.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that sucks, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to go.

[Chad Johnson]

That sucks. That sucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to go.

[Chad Johnson]

I hate to see people lose their job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do, too. But when, you know, when you coaching, there's volatility in coaching. Coaching is just like the military or being a. A Pentecostal minister.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you got to move around.

[Chad Johnson]

Even if you got to move around Penn State, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Penn State, let's say, you know, Oregon or any of those ACC or SEC teams, they're just better. They got better players. They were a reason. They were 4 and 21. There's a reason you only beat Ohio State one time since 2016. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They say we've been investing 500 million in upgrades to Beaver Stadium. We paid top dollar for defensive coordinator. We paid top dollar to keep some of these, These. These. These upperclassmen. And no, no, no, we're not going for it. You're Penn State. Yeah, you're Penn State.

[Chad Johnson]

Basing everything off the name. You're the Dallas Cowboys. Now, what's that gotten you in the past 30 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry? See, but here's the thing. Jerry is great at marketing. Penn State say nah. And here's the thing, Ocho, you know those uniforms, I mean, bro, you got black cleats. You got no name on the back of your jersey. I mean, I don't know. Do they got names on the back of their jersey?

[Chad Johnson]

No, it's plain. Penn State uniform is playing white.

[Shannon Sharpe]

White helmets. Come on, bro. How you sell that when you getting haircut? You can get a haircut in Oregon in the locker room. You get 50 different. You get 50 different. You got 50 different uniforms and you get to keep them. All right, but how you compete with that? How you compete with Ohio State with what they got going on you, Michigan, the Georgia and The Alabamas and the Texas and the Texas A M. But I'm paying you. Jane Franklin making $8 million. So they paying him like he a big time coach. You got to deliver, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

It's only the coaching. Only take it so far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What he should have said. You know what? You know what? Don't pay me this because I can't. I can't deliver like that. So don't give me no 10 year extension. You take their money. There's an expectation. You know what happens, Ocho, when you take the money? There's an expectation of what?

[Chad Johnson]

Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Results must follow every time.

[Dave East]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what. That's what comes along with it. And coaching. You get into coaching.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I see. That's why we should do it. I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, I'm good. Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey man, we could be like a. A package deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm just saying you should about go ahead. Ain't nobody else. I ain't got nobody else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I wanna. I like snitching. D. Todd said Ocho is right. You can be authentic without snitching.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you. Thank you. That's what I'm talking about. You're a real one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You cannot be. If you are a coach or a quarterback at the highest levels, you cannot be authentic. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

I was authentic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You play quarterback?

[Chad Johnson]

Damn near.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. I believe the Broncos have the team to go all the way to the Super Bowl. Let's go. Broncos. 84. Should be retired. Kemper. I mean, we. Look, we got to play a little better offensively, but it seems to me, if I had to guess, Sean Payton was very conservative saying, look, if we don't put the ball in harm's way, they can't drive to beat us. You see that offense over there? It's anemic. It's pathetic. It's pedestrian. So with that being said, they're going to have to play a lot better Sunday against the Giants because that performance that they put on the field offensively will not get it done. Get it done. Sunday against the. The Giants. Ojo, Pitt, Cincinnati. You owe me that jersey from last year's bet. I'll let you slide because you're having a rough season. It's going to get worse over under two and a half, 2.5. How many tackles would Jamar Chase have on Thursday?

[Chad Johnson]

None. Because we gonna win that game. We definitely gonna win this game. A division rival Steelers coming in Thursday night. You Know, crowd going with. Going crazy. Gonna be about 40 degrees.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, it get cold in Pittsburgh, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, I know, I know, I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I don't think the war, the weather is going to have an impact. Let's see, who do I want? I want Aaron Rodgers. I want Joe Flacco. Aaron Rodgers. Joe Flacco. Aaron Rodgers. Joe Flacco also.

[Chad Johnson]

Is that how you feel? Is that how you feel?

[Dave East]

Okay.

[Total Wireless Ad Voice]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

And you're only saying that because Joe because. Because Aaron Rodgers playing well right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your guy hadn't played well in a while, since the Super bowl in 2012. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I just saw my guy have a 17, a 17 play drive down the field after halftime. And he only been there for 17 minutes. He'd been on our team for 17 minutes and he took our team down the field and drove.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He'll look worse on Thursday, trust me.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, let's bet. Okay, well, now I want to bet, but okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't want to bet. TS car washing detail service. Y' all had bling bling on yesterday. Yesterday night. Will Russ ever play an NFL game again?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, hell, I think he better than Flacco. That's just me personally. I'm trying to think. Question, is he okay being a backup?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, you have to know your role as you. As you get further into your career as you get older. You understand you can't do the things you. You once did when you were young. You're not in that position anymore.

[Dave East]

I get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, that's how you think it. But let me ask you a question. Tell me what quarterback thinks like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, and that's the hard part. And knowing. Knowing when the journey's over. Knowing when you're not the main character.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you still ain't told me the quarterback that thinks like that, considering the man got 300 plus touchdown passes, he's won a Super bowl, he's been to eight Pro Bowls.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that resume looks beautiful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And you think he gonna be okay being a backup, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I mean, listen, reality has to set in at some point. It just does. It just does. And if you don't agree, if you don't believe it, they'll show you. How about that? And they. They've showed them. Oh, you still think you're a starter? Well, let me show you why you're not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, he got 8 million, a lot of backups. Now that thing better to go down. That thing finna go down to like 2 or 3 million.

[Total Wireless Ad Voice]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And 2 or 3 million by the time you move your family. Get the family all up there. Get a place that's big enough, it worth it. I don't know where Russ want to live. I don't know if he's going to live in Seattle or he wants to live in.

[Dave East]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even know where Russ is from. I don't know where Sierra's from, but I don't know. Patrick Donovan. Ocho, let's bet Loser shaves his eyebrows. Hashtag Steelers. Steelers are rumored to get Tyreek. Now, that. That can't happen. Maybe go after A.J. brown. Ocho, if I get my eyebrows, can I get a signed jersey?

[Chad Johnson]

I. I get your jersey, but I ain't playing my eyebrows.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got no eyebrow. Hold on. Hey, J Dub, you hear that? He want to get that man to jersey, but won't give you your jersey. J Dub, you might have to do something bad to Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, whatever you want to do, let me know. I'm here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

JJ Carver said Ocho really dressed up as. As his shadow. Ocho dressed up like an intern. Y. N. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I went to the concert, man. I had a good time with the kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be. It says now, Uncle Nocho tell me with the straight face that Bijan not the best running back in the league this year. Rise up. Yeah, yeah. You're getting no debate from us right now. He is.

[Chad Johnson]

We said that earlier.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it's. You know, he and Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor been putting up stats, too. I don't know if you noticed it, but he leading the league in Russia. But, yeah, Bijan has been phenomenal this year. Yeah, he's outplayed. He's outplayed cmac. He's outplayed Derrick Henry. He's outplayed Saquon. Right now, it's just he and Jonathan Taylor. Casey Taylor said. Oh. I need you to copy and paste this message to Wheezy. F. Yo, Wheezy, I know you know, if you, Drake and Barbie release a trio album, only y' all would do numbers on numbers. Wheezy, I need it. Wheezy, we need it. F is for flawless. Yeah, I know. I know. Wheezy Wheeze ain't. Listen to me when it comes to no music, who the hell am I?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, listen to me. You know we collab before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

King me said, Lord have Mercy, L.A. and the Mariners for the World Series. Good pitching tonight. It looked like the Dodgers gonna go.

[Chad Johnson]

They gonna. They gonna win again. They just won last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gonna win again. You see who they got? Shohei Mookie, Freddy Freeman, Hernandez.

[Chad Johnson]

Boy. Good boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Drew. Freddie Freeman is a playoff monster. Let's go. Dodgers here. Did they win again? I sure hate Atlanta. Let it. Let Brady go. Freddie was the Braves chipper. He was chipper. You know what happened? I fell on that turf over there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I ain't felt that in about 13 years. Boy. I hit that shower.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you don't know a lot of. You don't know a lot of bumps and bruise. You got to that adrenaline wear off and you getting that damn water. Hit that water. Hit it. Jason Zeldorf said dart as a dog. We coming from the NFC east crown. We put in foot to you know where next week against the Broncos. Dart is way better than Fields.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I can't scatter. Bo gonna run past her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tate over, boy, please. We got something for that.

[Chad Johnson]

For Scatterboat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. All right. Y' all ain't got nothing for scat pack.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Desmond Wilson. Rise up. Falcons look good tonight. Can y' all shout out my brother, man? Zach Frazier. Zach. Yeah, Falcon did look good. I. I'll give it to him. They look good. Bijan ran the ball well. Drake London was catching it. Pennix threw the ball well. Defense got after Josh Allen sacked him several times. Did a great job stopping the run initially, but, yeah, they played well to pick them off twice. Rise up, Falcons. Dylan Mitchell. Uncle Ocho. Do you believe the 2019 LSU Tigers with Burrow, Jeddah and Jamar could beat the 2016 Browns? Is it possible for. Oh, no.

[Chad Johnson]

God damn it.

[Dave East]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

You tripping, man. Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? Alex, how. How'd you hit Slade so hard that you knocked yourself out? Yeah, I knocked both of us out. I did, but I hit it. I. I hit it with. With. I dealt my head. I should have just caught it with that flipper who you hit Chris Slade on a Monday night. You got it, JJ. Please tell people how good that one you01, um, team that might be the best team in college football history. Go back and look at. Go back and look at those guys. Y' all do realize Sean Taylor was special teams and trail roll. They had Antrell Rose. They had Buchanan, Philip Buchanan. They had Clinton Porters, Frank Gore, Willis McGahey. They had Jeremy Shockey. They had K2. They had another tight end that ended up going to the NFL for the. I think it was Everett. I think he went to Buffalo. Man, look at that office. Brad McKinney.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they were loaded, McDougal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had.

[Chad Johnson]

Nose tackle Vince.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Vince Wolfo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had like 16 first rounders on that team.

[Chad Johnson]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All of the linebackers, Vilma, DBs, everything. Williams.

[Dave East]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bria Carter. Y' all remember Cortland versus Andre Lord? Yes, but see, that was in the field of play. Now, had they did that in the field of play, they probably would have got a jack. They got fine. Boom. But afterwards.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, every. Every so often.

[Shannon Sharpe]

David Amos. My Pats are coming. The Pats do look good. The past do look good. And guess what? Buffalo do not look invincible anymore. And they've already gone to Buffalo and beat them once. Saucy D. Speaking on what Tua said, Jerry Goff said last year after the loss to the Commanders, he couldn't sleep at night for a month.

[Chad Johnson]

A month?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, I still ain't got over the loss to Jacksonville. That been damn near 30 years ago, and I won three Super Bowls and got a gold jacket. They shouldn't beat us. I. So Noah up. What do you do if referees call the. AKA cheating the game like they did in the Bears versus the Commanders?

[Dave East]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I didn't. I didn't notice any. Any calls. Maybe I missed it. Guys, y' all gotta stop thinking just because y' all lose, the ref cheated. Question for OO. Start.

[Chad Johnson]

Cut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cbs.

[Dave East]

Unc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fox. Unc. Espn. Unk.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, start.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fox. Unc. Yeah, go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Fox. I'm definitely starting. And what was it? Trading?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Start.

[Dave East]

Bench.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cut.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm a bench ESPN and I'm gonna cut CV at eight days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, babe. Yeah, I. Sure, babe. Yeah, Fox. Fox. Let me act up a pure food. Let my hair down.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saucy. Across all sports, who are three athletes that you enjoyed watching in your life?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I'm gonna go. Neymar, Mayweather. Damn. Djokovic. I would say Alcaraz, But I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm LeBron. Serena.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boat.

[Dave East]

Oh.

[Chad Johnson]

That'S a really good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sir. Case, my guys, when it's all said and done for Aaron Rodgers, what will be three words that sums up his career?

[Chad Johnson]

One of the greatest throwers of the ball, no matter what you say, whether you like them, whether you don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, he was sensational. I still don't understand how he didn't win more championships with the team that he's had.

[Chad Johnson]

Some good ones, some really good ones.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that mofo what they went up.

[Chad Johnson]

Against some good ones as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you can't lose to Jimmy Garoppolo. You can't lose to. You had the better team. And you were at home and you lost to Brady and you can't. Can't. But he's one of the. He's gonna go down as one of the 10 best quarterbacks to ever play. I don't think you can put him over. Obviously you can't put him over Brady, can't put him over Manny. But he's. He was phenomenal. He is as gifted at throwing the football, Rolling left, rolling right from the pocket. He can charm things. Or you can change arm slots. And he threw a beautiful ball. I still don't know how he didn't win. More with you Thursday night. About to be an old bowl with Flacco and Rogers. Yeah, because Rogers about to be 41 and Flacco's 40, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Dave East]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Flacco was 40.

[Shannon Sharpe]

John Tavius Collier, can you give my brother Tracy a shout out for his birthday? He has the same birthday as your daughter. Absolutely. Tracy, your brother Jonathan want to give you a shout out. Happy early birthday. Yep. Your birthday is the same day as my oldest, Kayla. I'm sorry, baby. No birthday gift this year. All you get is daddy love you. Chill Cosby. Say, oh. How long do you think tour remains the starter this year? Well, I think he's gonna be the starter this year. The question is, how much long is he gonna remain in Miami?

[Chad Johnson]

Almost Zach Wilson time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't think. I don't. I don't. I don't think they.

[Chad Johnson]

No, they won't do that. Nah, I'm just talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the question is, Ocho, how much longer does he remain in.

[Chad Johnson]

Now that I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's gonna be very interesting.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. That is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo's ring of fame honoree, former pro bowling all pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. Make sure you check out shave by Laportier. Go online, order the best tasting premium bsop cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself. Just head over to Laportier cognac. Make sure you check out my media company, Shay Shay Media on all of its platforms and my clothing company, 84, with 84 being spelled out. That link is pinned in the chat. The Bears will walk off field goal beat the Commanders 25:24 and the Atlanta Falcons beat the Buffalo Bills by 10 to move to 3 and 2 as the Bills fall to 4 and 2 by a score of 21. Excuse me, 24:14. Atlanta Bijan Robinson had himself a day 19 carries, a buck 70 and a touchdown and also chipped in with six catches for 68 yards. Drake London 10 for buck 58 and a touchdown. Almost got another one. Stepped out of bounds right as the time ended right before the half. Thank you for joining us. We're off tomorrow, which is Tuesday. We'll see you here Wednesday. Thank you guys. Appreciate the support again. Ocho out.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Diplo I pulled up real quick.

[Chad Johnson]

He was about to leave on tour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're about to jump in your tour.

[Chad Johnson]

Bus and we had like three hours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was really cool.

[Dave East]

He really just like randomly showed up to my house and I'm like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like I have a song that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to show you.

[Dave East]

And I was like okay.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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