DeSean Watson (4:50)

Who would they bring in, huh?

Shannon Sharpe (4:53)

Somebody.

DeSean Watson (4:54)

I like the fact that they are bringing him back. God damn. I wanted this to work for him so bad, huh?

Shannon Sharpe (5:02)

I did too.

DeSean Watson (5:03)

It just hasn't panned out the way it should be. I'm hoping and wishing and wanting to see that same DeShawn Watson that we got to see when he was in Houston when. When he didn't have the weapons that he has at his disposal right now in Cleveland. And it just hasn't panned out to be just that. He gets another shot at it. He gets another opportunity at it. Another offseason training, another mini camp, another. Another training camp. So I'm hoping he gets Achilles. Achilles, right?

Shannon Sharpe (5:30)

Yeah, he ruptures. He ruptures his Achilles.

DeSean Watson (5:32)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (5:33)

I mean, it's just hard for me to see Ocho.

DeSean Watson (5:36)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (5:36)

After being so far removed from when we saw you at your best right now, the injuries, an Achilles injury. He has shoulder surgery. The shoulder surgery is the easy to overcome. But that Achilles, different.

DeSean Watson (5:49)

That's a different ball. It's just hard.

Shannon Sharpe (5:51)

Ocho. You just don't see guys do what he's done and then all of a sudden ascend back up. It's like, you know, it's like a plane. Boy, it's hard to get. Hey, now you get one of those little trap dusties. It's easy to pull them out of a nose dive. But when you got, you got a jumbo jet. Oh, yeah.

DeSean Watson (6:11)

Oh, it's, it's difficult. I mean, even if, even if we don't get the old, the desean Watson a bowl, can we get the desean Watson that we can count on a desean Watson that can, that can not turn the ball over, make all the throws, you know, be able to hand it off. The Chubb.

Shannon Sharpe (6:30)

I don't even recognize this guy.

DeSean Watson (6:32)

Yeah, I mean, they still.

Shannon Sharpe (6:33)

I don't recognize him. Ocho, what we saw in Houston, and even if we even. And I'm just saying. Okay, let's just say we don't get 100% of what we saw in Houston, right? Let's get 90. Can we get 85? 90. Ocho. Ocho. I don't know if we've, I don't know if we've gotten 40% of what he was in Houston. It's not even been close. Yeah, it seemed like everybody looks better in that offense than him. Yeah, Flacco threw the ball better in that offense than him. Jameis threw, throws the ball. But now look, granted, Jameis a turnover machine, but at least Jameis is throwing for 3, 400 yards. I don't know if Deshaun has had a 300 yard game in that offense. And when you can run the ball with Chub. Cause he's had some years where Chub was healthy. Now this year Chub started, he wasn't healthy and last year he got nicked. But man, I, I, I just, I just don't know. I hope I want to see. Cause nobody want to see the guy. I mean. Oh. I mean, the guy got traded at 26.

DeSean Watson (7:33)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (7:33)

And it's prime. We don't see guys, we don't see quarterbacks.

DeSean Watson (7:37)

That's not. No.

Shannon Sharpe (7:39)

Unless they have injury. We saw. Yeah, Brady left, but Brady was in year 20. Manning left, but he had a serious injury. We Saw Drew Brees, but Drew Brees wasn't the Drew Brees that we. But he still had an injury, but he wasn't the Drew Brees and with the Chargers that he became with their Saints. So it's, it's an anomaly that we see guys quarterbacks. Yeah. Rogers left but you look at, look at, we look. What year was it with Rogers? Like 18, 19. Same thing with far like what, 16, 17. Normally we don't see 26 year old quarterbacks that are uninjured leave.

DeSean Watson (8:19)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (8:21)

So hopefully he can get this figured. I hope he could get this thing figured out. Oh, choke. I'm the only one that's not surprised by this. Ed isn't rooting for Saquon to break his record. Hall of Famer Ed, Eric Dickerson was honest about how he feels. I don't think he'll break it. Do I want him to break it? Absolutely not. Ed was also quick to point out Saquon. If he does, he'll do it in 17 regular season games. One more to edit. Ed, you do realize that you broke OJ's record in 16 games and OJ's with 2014. What are we talking about? That's why I'm saying Ocho, remember we had that conversation. You say should we add an asterisk? And I said no, because at one point in time the records were in a 12 game schedule and then it went to a 14 game and then it went to a 16 game and eventually it's gonna go to an 18 game. So maybe all. So maybe if you get a receiver and he plays a good 12, 13, 14 years, he could challenge Jerry's record. Because if he plays that length of time, that's an extra season. A season and a half.

DeSean Watson (9:30)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (9:31)

So now the record now all of a sudden the sack total, you might have somebody oo catch 160 balls. You might have some. Yes. You gonna look, you gonna get a 2,000 yard receiver. Yeah, because they're playing more games. But it is what it is.

DeSean Watson (9:48)

Yeah, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (9:49)

But I'm not surprised. Ed Hustle. I don't pull no punches on that, but I'm not whining about it. He has 17 games to do it. Saquan is 268 yards away from Ed's record that he set 2105 during the 84 season. Remember in that season Dan Marino was the MVP. Ed was the offensive rookie of the year. That was the year Dan went 48 touchdown, which broke Dan F's record. But he also went 5,000, which many thought was impossible. 5,016 games in that era, that's like 6,000 yards in today's era. But I digress. The Eagles have two more games on the remaining schedule. He's 1838 yards. He has to average 133.5. Now he's playing the Giants and the Cowboys, both who are terrible against the rush. Now it's gonna be a little different because there's no threat of Jalen hurts. Kenny Pickett is going to get the start tomorrow.

DeSean Watson (10:48)

Also.

Shannon Sharpe (10:48)

Jalen.

DeSean Watson (10:49)

Jalen is already out. He's already out, but you know. You know who they gonna. They gonna put the. They gonna put a team on. On Saquon back now. Yeah, put a team on Saquon back. When they have to throw. When they have to throw, they will. I think A.J. brown and DeVonta Smith. Hey, listen, you. You already understand the landscape of the game, understand the game plan going in. I don't think you're gonna get the balls you. You might want. It's not going to be the same.

Shannon Sharpe (11:18)

No.

DeSean Watson (11:19)

They call in changes significantly when the number two quarterback is in the game. It ain't gonna be the same. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be some mad faces on that sideline. Now.

Shannon Sharpe (11:32)

All I know, Ocho, if I'm the Cowboys and Giant, you ain't getting no record against me. You ain't gonna have me in the record books.

DeSean Watson (11:39)

But I don't know how they gonna stop it. They ain't stopping nobody.

Shannon Sharpe (11:41)

Easy. I don't care. I don't care if Kenny Pickett throw for 5,000 yards. He ain't getting it. And the Jazz, I don't care if. I don't care if AJ and Devonte go for 250 a piece. He not breaking no Ocho.

DeSean Watson (11:56)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (11:57)

You see that sack record they keep shorted, right?

DeSean Watson (11:59)

22 and 5. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (12:01)

Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and Michael Strahan and the packers right there. Yeah. The touchdown mark, right. The yardage marked. You know, you said, oh, no. Oh, no. You ain't got no record on me, right? I ain't gonna be. I ain't gonna be in your highlights.

DeSean Watson (12:17)

Not.

Shannon Sharpe (12:17)

Not gonna happen. Nope. Nope. No can do. Saquon has topped that number in six of his 15 games. With Jalen hurts being out with a concussion. The Eagles made more, and guess what? Now he gonna get opportunity. Cause they're not gonna just drop back and throw the ball.

DeSean Watson (12:33)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (12:33)

And the Cowboys are weak against the rush. The Eagles offensive line is very, very good. They're Physical. You're gonna have to have to match their physicality, but.

DeSean Watson (12:45)

Oh, yeah, but I'm not surprised.

Shannon Sharpe (12:48)

Look, I said I know Ed. We worked at Fox together. But I've known Ed for a number of years. We make no secret about it. I mean, people like, oh, Ed never made any secrets about it. He don't want anybody to break that record.

DeSean Watson (13:00)

Yeah, most definitely. I mean, listen, records are meant to be broken.

Shannon Sharpe (13:05)

Some people hold them more. Cap, I didn't. I broke somebody's record, Ocho. Yeah, I did. So it didn't mean anything when Tony got my record and eventually killed a little Kelsey Gonna have more 150 yard games than I got and.

DeSean Watson (13:19)

Right, okay.

Shannon Sharpe (13:19)

And I did, Ocho. All I could do was the best I could do. I can't measure if somebody breaks my record. I'm not measuring myself against them. I did the best I could do. I got everything I could out of my ability, Ocho. So what somebody else did that doesn't diminish what I did. Right. And I think sometimes people look at it like that, Ocho. Sometimes if somebody I had a record, they broke it. Now the compare. No, ain't no comparison, Edie. I don't think anybody's going to compare Saquon to you, bro. Bro, You a top 100 running back. Top 100. You a top 100 player in the history of the NFL. Your place is secure.

DeSean Watson (13:59)

Yeah. Different.

Shannon Sharpe (14:00)

And when I see you, I would say, man, you need. You need. And let that ish go and put up a sign say, break that record. Saquon. The Sacramento Kings fired Mike Brown on Friday. He was just 31 games into his third season as head coach and just got two years removed from. Just two years removed from being coach of the year. After ending Sacramento's 16 season playoff drought as the number three seed, no less, the Kings, after adding DeMar DeRozan this summer, has gotten off to a rough start. Starting the season in 31 games, 13 and 18 and have lost five straight. Brown did a presser at the full practice, was fired. He was informed on a phone call as he was on his way to the airport to leave to play the Lakers. Mike Malone. This is what Mike Malone had to say. He went scorched earth on his former employee. Fine, Mike. At first I was really shocked and surprised. Then I caught myself. I said, why am I shocked and surprised? I'm not. I'm not for two. Two reasons. One, because an NBA head coach, ultimately you're going to get the blame. When the Kings win. The credit goes To Fox, it's a bonus. When they lose, they blame going to go on Mike Brown. That's the way it works. And for two and who works and who he works for. So I'm not surprised that Mike got fired because I got fired by the same person. And really. What? Pissed. Okay. What peed me off about the fact that they lost the night in the fifth game in a row, I believe. Tough filing the jump shooter. They had practice this, this morning. How he does the media. He's in his car, heading to the airport, fly to la. They call him on the phone and tell him he's fired. No class, no kahunas. That's why. That's all I'll say about that. Mike, I think you said a lot. I don't think you need to add any. I don't think you need to add anything to that.

DeSean Watson (15:57)

Why would they, why would they, why would they wait if you already know? Especially a decision like that has already been made. It's not like, you know, y'all want to fire him now. The man have been through practices and everything, you know, all week long. And then you wait until it's time he's head to the airport. They don't play. Yeah, you know what? When you come to decision, we're no longer going to retain you or your contract. You're fired immediately. Can you imagine? I would have, I would have cussed her own man.

Shannon Sharpe (16:26)

What you gonna do? Okay. You still fired, don't you?

DeSean Watson (16:28)

Yeah, but you could, you couldn't have tell me, you couldn't have told me that at the facility. You couldn't have told me that before I put this goddamn suit on and headed to the goddamn airport.

Shannon Sharpe (16:36)

Yeah, I think Ocho, honestly, this is what I think. I mean, it was tough. Cause they had a lead and it was Fox that fouled a guy on a three point shot and now it's a four point play and he was kind of critical. And normally what happens, you don't criticize your superstar star player. Yeah, but they just, if I'm not mistaken, hey, look this up. Didn't they just give him a contract extension in June?

DeSean Watson (17:04)

Darian Fox.

Shannon Sharpe (17:05)

No, Mike Brown.

DeSean Watson (17:07)

Brown. Oh.

Shannon Sharpe (17:13)

A lot is being made about the comments about De'Aaron Fox. Fox doesn't feel like the King's roster feels guilt following the. Wow. I wouldn't use the word guilt. That's the nature of the job that we have. Obviously him signing extension this summer. We thought we'd be together a whole lot longer, but that's the decision that they Made. But at the end of the day, too, he's still getting paid. Wow. A great part of being an NBA player and being an NBA coach, those things happen. But contracts are guaranteed. Wow. I don't think he's disappointed that Mike Brown got fired.

DeSean Watson (17:47)

No, no, not. And the fact that you mentioned money, anytime money, money comes into play, when mentioning someone being fired, well, you shouldn't feel that bad because you still get to get paid anyway. Yeah, listen, that's the nature of the business, especially when it comes to basketball for players and coaches.

Shannon Sharpe (18:02)

But I feel bad. Yeah, I felt bad. Ocho has happened to me twice. Let me tell you why I feel bad because I feel bad because I feel if I'd done my job, the man still have his job. But for you not to feel any guilt, for you not to feel any remorse, you don't feel that you could have done anything different to save this man's job. Nothing.

DeSean Watson (18:22)

The only thing they can do is win and play better. That's pretty much it.

Shannon Sharpe (18:26)

But he said don't have no guilt. So, I mean, what. Hey, I mean, he's averaging 26 points. I mean, he's a phenomenal player.

DeSean Watson (18:32)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (18:33)

If I wish the Laker. I mean, hey, all things being equal, the Lakers probably should have. Wait, no, probably, knowing what we know now, should have taken him over Lonzo. But you know, Magic wanted a pass first point guard, right. Fox is more a score. But now what do they need scoring to go along with AD and LeBron. Now LeBron is out tonight. I think they're playing the King. They are playing the kings. And A.D. and Austin Reeves and Rui are having outstanding games right now. But that's just me. But I mean, I'm reading his and I don't like, I just read it. He said, I wouldn't use the word guilt. That's the nature of the job that we have. Obviously, him signing his extension this summer. We thought we'd be together a whole lot longer, but that's the decision that they made. But at the end of the day, he's still getting paid. Like, oh, he getting paid. So. So what?

DeSean Watson (19:26)

Yeah, why am I feeling. Why am I feeling bad about it?

Shannon Sharpe (19:32)

Because had you had played better, maybe had you not filed that guy on that three point shot and you won that game, maybe he have his job for another day or another week and then maybe you guys turn around, you go on a winning streak and he still would have been. But that's neither here nor there. We'll never know. Ocho. Ocho. Check this out billionaire Tyler Perry reveals that his son only gets books and Legos for Christmas and is only allowed to fly commercial until he understands that I work and he does not. I think, I think his son is what, 10? How is 10, 12 years. 10 years old.

DeSean Watson (20:09)

It's not a bad thing. Is he not a bad thing?

Shannon Sharpe (20:11)

Books and Legos.

DeSean Watson (20:13)

Yeah, read. Yeah, read.

Shannon Sharpe (20:16)

So that's the only. So that's so. So if somebody would have gave you for Christmas, you only don't get books and Legos.

DeSean Watson (20:22)

How do you know? You know, Tyler is exaggerating a little bit.

Shannon Sharpe (20:26)

We just read what he said. I mean, you know, you know you're.

DeSean Watson (20:29)

Getting, you getting your child, you're getting your 10, however oldest son or daughter maybe. No, you're getting them more than you know, books and Legos. I know you're getting more than that.

Shannon Sharpe (20:36)

Well, if it's a lie he told it.

DeSean Watson (20:38)

I also understand the lessons about flying commercial. I like that he's setting the precedent. You're not gonna, you're not gonna be spoiled when, when your time does come. You need to understand the value of a dollar. That's what my grandma, that grandma ain't still letting me early.

Shannon Sharpe (20:52)

Now let me ask you a question. How did, how do. Have you seen Tyler Perry's home?

DeSean Watson (20:57)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (20:58)

$100 million.

DeSean Watson (20:59)

Can I ask you a question?

Shannon Sharpe (21:00)

How you live in a hundred million dollar home and you're not spoiled? You think, you think Tyler getting up and cooking breakfast or his mom's cooking breakfast? No cooking breakfast or chef. You think so who you think, you think he has security so when he goes someplace, you think they got security? Security. So how you not be, how do you not be spoiled in that environment?

DeSean Watson (21:19)

You know what? And when you're in that environment and Tyler Perry understands what it took to get, to get to that environment to be able to get a hundred million dollar house, the work you have to put into it and you want to make sure you instill that in your child so your child doesn't become lazy and depending on you. So when you're no longer around, they're able to function for themselves.

Shannon Sharpe (21:40)

Well, the kind of money Tyler got, when he no longer around, he gonna be straight, you know? I know he's. Let me ask you a question, Ocho.

DeSean Watson (21:47)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (21:48)

When you growing up, did you have heated toilets?

DeSean Watson (21:51)

Hell no.

Shannon Sharpe (21:52)

Exactly. I bet you he got them. Would you want to be?

DeSean Watson (21:59)

Probably.

Shannon Sharpe (21:59)

So I didn't have no garage when I grew up. How many stall garage do you think Tyler Perry has home have?

DeSean Watson (22:06)

5, 6, 10 probably something like that.

Shannon Sharpe (22:10)

How many rooms you think that house? 100 million dollar room. 100 million dollar house. How many rooms you think? And it got a private landing strip so he can land his jet right out there in the. In the front yard.

DeSean Watson (22:22)

That's nice.

Shannon Sharpe (22:26)

I get the gist of this. But. But, Ocho, you can't instill that in a child. At the end of the day, child gonna be want to do it or he doesn't.

DeSean Watson (22:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, you know, I don't know how the saying goes, but train the child up in the way I say, you.

Shannon Sharpe (22:44)

Know, leave a child in the way you'd have him to go.

DeSean Watson (22:46)

Oh, yeah, you got to do. You got to. You got to do what you do. Do the best you can. You know, once they turn 13, everything, that's, that's. It ain't nothing else. No.

Shannon Sharpe (23:00)

Yeah, he's. He probably, you know, he understand hard work. Godparents. Oprah Winfrey, she ain't got no money. Cicely Tyson, who recently passed away. I think she was 99 years of age. But okay, I do. But I get the gist of what he's trying to do.

DeSean Watson (23:18)

Trying to do, yeah, most definitely.

Shannon Sharpe (23:20)

But it's just hard. Yeah, it's hard when you know what, I want this. And the chef goes in there and swipes it up, right? You want French toast, You want eggs Benedict? You want a waffle fresh made, I might ask. Not no box. Not no Eggo. Not there's anything wrong with Eggo. But he probably eating fresh waffles. Would it turn. Got the machine and they turn it upside down and make sure. Good on both sides. Ocho.

DeSean Watson (23:51)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand what Tyler's doing, especially if you know Tyler's story, where he comes from, what he went through to get to where he is. I kind of get it, though.

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DeSean Watson (25:51)

Whatever it is they don't want me to be.

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Shannon Sharpe (27:16)

Oh, now it's time for the last segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

DeSean Watson (27:21)

Hold on, let me grab this real quick.

Shannon Sharpe (27:26)

Aaron Owens says Riley Moss got cooked this week. Who they if your team lost this week, I don't want to hear you say foot or ball. Didn't you see the Ravens win on Wednesday? Did you not see that?

DeSean Watson (27:45)

Listen. Hey, don't do that. Don't do that.

Shannon Sharpe (27:47)

Don't do that.

DeSean Watson (27:47)

Don't do what you are. Denver Bronco. You are Denver Bronco. You spent most of your career as a Denver Bronco. So you cannot say foot or ball at the. What happened tonight? Yesterday, matter of fact.

Shannon Sharpe (28:01)

So let me ask you a question. Had you won that super bowl ring with the. With the. The Patriots, you gonna say what you gonna say? You ain't no Patriot.

DeSean Watson (28:11)

Yeah, because I didn't contribute to that ring at all.

Shannon Sharpe (28:13)

You did. You caught a touchdown that year and you caught a key first down.

DeSean Watson (28:19)

I. I did, too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (28:27)

Xx. O. Sanity in Ocho's voice. I better not hear you say foot or ball. Better yet, I better not hear the letters F or B come out of your mouth. I should have never said, boy, y'all will kill. I should have never said that. I should have left that alone and just saved that and just told you that in private. And now that's all that's on my timeline.

DeSean Watson (28:50)

Matter of fact. Hey, that's a new shirt right there. That's a new slogan for the shirt. But not say foot or ball.

Shannon Sharpe (29:04)

Scooty Puff said keep that same energy for both Knicks INT late in the fourth quarter as the burr all season see it with your chest out. Yeah, y'all saw me. No, you can't. That's what happens when you predetermine. He predetermined where he would go. He didn't read that because if he had read it, he just saw Pratt and got up underneath it. He predetermined. I'm throwing this over ball to Sutton no matter what. No matter what. He didn't read it.

DeSean Watson (29:29)

Pratt picked that thing right off.

Shannon Sharpe (29:31)

Yes. King win said since eight wins, a since winner wins and losses the QB status. Let me ask you a question.

DeSean Watson (29:44)

Yeah, it is.

Shannon Sharpe (29:46)

That's the only position they get credit for wins. Who's the all time winningest quarterback? Tom Brady. They've always been. That's always been Ocho. I tell you what. When is the last time you say a tight end or wide receiver has 20 come from behind wins?

DeSean Watson (30:03)

Never.

Shannon Sharpe (30:04)

Who they give that stat to the quarterback. They've always given it to the quarterback, y'all.

DeSean Watson (30:11)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (30:11)

This is not like all of a sudden we're changing the rule to say wins are a quarterback stat. They've always done it.

DeSean Watson (30:19)

Always.

Shannon Sharpe (30:21)

That's why Tom Brady. Wait. You see, soon as Patrick Mahomes get in the playoffs, you will see most postseason playoff wins. And you're not going to see that for offensive lineman. You're not going to see that for a defensive tackle. You're not going to See that for a tight end or wide receiver, you're going to see that. For coaches and quarterbacks, it's not new, guys. It's really not. I get it. Joe Burrow's having a phenomenal season. He is. But wins have always gone on the quarterback's resume. And the more you win and they double come playoff time. We're not making this up. I don't know that team stat of eight straight weeks of 250 passes and three touchdown minimum elite territory. Lamar is special, but he's dragging the team. So, I mean. But seven losses, though, so what are we gonna. What are we gonna do? I mean, they don't give. They don't give wins and losses to any other position other than the quarterback. They've always done that, guys. I don't know why. Look, and I get it. Y'all like Joe. Joe, you're probably from Cincinnati or you're LSU or you're a Joe Burrow fan, and I get it. But they've always given wins and losses to quarterbacks. Ocho, you know, that was definitely.

DeSean Watson (31:47)

Most definitely. Yeah. I just. I just don't.

Shannon Sharpe (31:49)

I don't.

DeSean Watson (31:49)

I don't like the fact that it. It comes up when a quarterback like the quarterback like Joe or whoever it might have been putting up the number he's putting up. And the one thing that keeps him out of the conversation is the fact that you have, you know, the losses you do.

Shannon Sharpe (32:04)

Y'all remember those great seasons where Kobe was putting up those numbers, but they were losing and he ain't getting no mvp. Y'all remember that? Yeah, that's what happens. They've been. Hell, I remember when Matthew Stafford threw. He went 11 and 5 and he threw for 5,000 yards. And he ain't get no MVP. Y'all see, what y'all trying to do is that y'all trying to make it seem like this is an isolated event that there's never been in the history of the game. Hell, Patrick Mahomes had 38, six and he went for 13 three in the win. Aaron Rodgers won it. Guys, this has happened before. Hell, dan Marino threw 44 touchdowns one year and didn't win MVP.

DeSean Watson (32:45)

Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (32:46)

They gave it to LT. They didn't give it to him. I'm just saying because I think Dan won. I think Dan was 9 and 7. But we got to stop this notion that. Oh, since when did wins become a quarterback stat? Always. Most win through the first five years of a start. My own most win most. That's what they do. Coaches, the Wins and losses go on the coaches and quarterbacks resume, right? Who has the most wins as a wide receiver? Who has the most wins of the tight end? Who has the most wins as a db? You couldn't tell me, but I bet y'all know who has the most wins all time wins as a quarterback. Who has the most all time wins as a coach. Who has the most all time wins as a general manager. Guys, this is not new. It's really not. Joe has had a phenomenal season, but I think it's going to be extremely hard with seven losses, considering how well Lamar is playing with five losses. How. Considering how well Josh Allen is playing with three losses.

DeSean Watson (33:56)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (33:58)

Jared Goff with two losses. I just. I think it's just going to be hard for him to get it. That's. Damn. Jerry Rice has the most win by wide receiver. 194, which you've never heard. Jason Whitten has the most career wins by tight end. 150. Daryl Green has the most career wins by DB162. You ever heard those stats before, Ocho?

DeSean Watson (34:27)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (34:29)

No, but Tom Brady. How many times Tom Brady got two something. Most win by coach Don Shuler. Second most wins, Coach Belichick. Yeah. And then you probably have to go like Tom Lander. Something. But it's always been that, guys. It's always. I'm not making up any new news. I'm not breaking. Making up anything. But wins and losses has always been stole, bestowed. Because that's how we judge quarterbacks. Wins and losses.

DeSean Watson (35:01)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (35:01)

And especially come playoff time. Quan said, can Josh Allen do what he's doing in the AFC North? He doesn't have two guys. So now we got a transplant guys. Oh, Lord have mercy. Do you believe. I believe Joe is operating his system right. You're not going to go ask Joe to do what? To do what he's doing in Baltimore because that's a totally different system. He.

DeSean Watson (35:32)

Completely different. Completely different.

Shannon Sharpe (35:35)

You don't. You're not going to ask. You're not going to ask Joe to go run Josh Allen's system because Josh runs a totally different system. They're not going to ask Joe Burrow to run no quarterback power. They're not asking. They're not asking Joe to run Zone Reed like Lamar does. Guys, it is okay. Y'all make it seem like Joe is in the last year and he's retiring. He's going to have other years to potentially win the MVP, right?

DeSean Watson (36:09)

He gonna win one?

Shannon Sharpe (36:11)

Yes. How old is Joe? 27, 28. Cause he stayed five years. Right. So he probably was 23 when he came out. So he. He's older than Lamar.

DeSean Watson (36:26)

Yeah, I believe so. I'm not sure how Joe. How old Joe is.

Shannon Sharpe (36:31)

He just turned 28 and Lamar is 27. Yeah, he turned 28 on December 10th. I think Lamar is just 27. Mahomes is 29. But, you know, Joe was redshirt. He transferred and he stayed. So he stayed in. You know, he stayed in school a little longer. He was better had he come out after his junior year. He's probably a third or fourth round pick. He goes back and have the greatest season ever for a college quarterback, and he goes number one overall.

DeSean Watson (37:02)

That was a great season.

Shannon Sharpe (37:05)

That's a pretty good turnoff. Ocho spent an extra year in college and become the number one overall pick as opposed to leaving early and being a third or fourth or maybe in a fifth round pick because he did not have a good junior season.

DeSean Watson (37:16)

Yeah. And he lived up to those expectations, too. He had, but he is living up to them.

Shannon Sharpe (37:22)

Yes. Lamar Robinson said. Hey, Uncan Ocho, depressed Giants fan here. Besides an exorcism, what do the Giants need to do better to do to be better as a team?

DeSean Watson (37:35)

As a team? You got to start with getting the quarterback first. He said.

Shannon Sharpe (37:41)

You got to get your Giants fan.

DeSean Watson (37:43)

Yeah. Once you get a quarterback, everything becomes so much easier because all you do is you build and put pieces around that quarterback and you go from there until you get that boy. It's gonna be hell, boy.

Shannon Sharpe (37:57)

Yeah. I mean, you got a great piece. I like neighbors. He's phenomenal.

DeSean Watson (38:02)

Yeah, he nice.

Shannon Sharpe (38:04)

Gotta. You gotta show up that offensive line. I mean, y'all your bro. Y'all a couple of years away. Cause y'all, y'all more. Y'all. A quarterback is a great start, but y'all, y'all some pieces. Y'all about five or six players away. About five or six players away.

DeSean Watson (38:24)

It's gonna happen. It's just gonna. It's gonna be over time, though.

Shannon Sharpe (38:29)

Little Steelers hurricane youth football organ say uncan oo. Where do you see Cam Ward going in the 2025 draft? This is what we know. We know the Giants need a quarterback. We know the Raiders need a quarterback. We know the Saints need a quarterback. We know Tennessee need a quarterback. Saints don't really need a quarterback, but they might need to start looking because this is what we know. Ocho who? The Saints.

DeSean Watson (39:02)

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Shannon Sharpe (39:04)

Derek Carr gets nicked every year, and he either missed time during the season or he misses A large part of the time that take wipes the season out. Right? But Tennessee, the Giants, the Raiders, they absolutely need a quarterback. The jets need to think about a quarterback also.

DeSean Watson (39:26)

They got to do something. Every team you just named, they have to do something. If they're serious about the PE and changing the.

Shannon Sharpe (39:35)

Cleveland got Cleveland. Cleveland needs to think about one also.

DeSean Watson (39:40)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (39:41)

Because Baltimore is straight. Cincy is straight. Pittsburgh, you think Pittsburgh, because they got Russ, they got Justin. AFC West, Bo Nix is set. Herbert is set. Kansas City is set. So Raiders, you need something. AFC South, India set. Houston is set. Jags are set. Tennessee, you not set. Right. Go to the NFC North. Green Bay is set. Detroit is set. Seahawks, Minnesota.

DeSean Watson (40:18)

Well, they double set.

Shannon Sharpe (40:20)

They double set. Chicago set. They got Caleb Williams. Go. Okay, let's go to the. Let's go. Ocho say he wants to go to the NFC West. You got the Rams set, Cardinals set. Who else? The 49ers. So you got 49ers in Seattle.

DeSean Watson (40:38)

Rock getting ready to get paid now.

Shannon Sharpe (40:40)

Okay, Gino, you want you. I mean, Gino is like fifth and passing yards. Yeah, they smack dab. They went to the playoff. They right dab on the hunt again this year. So I think they're set. So now you got the. The NFC South. Tampa set, Carolina set. They ain't drafted a quarterback. Atlanta just drafted and won the first round.

DeSean Watson (41:03)

Yep.

Shannon Sharpe (41:04)

In New Orleans. So.

DeSean Watson (41:05)

But only a few spots now.

Shannon Sharpe (41:08)

Yeah. And so you got Miami. Miami. Miami don't need a quarterback. Who else in the alce? Buffalo doesn't need a quarterback. So you got the jets and the Patriots. The Patriots just selected one. So I think it's going now. Just because a team. Maybe somebody. Maybe somebody zoom up the board and say, hey, we want to draft the quarterback for the future. Because we don't believe the quarterbacks coming out in the next two to three years are better than what. What. What's eligible right now, Ocho? Never know. Hell, we didn't see Andy Reid zooming up. Hey, Alex Smith, they just took him to the playoffs. Andy Reid goes up 17 spots, 16 spots to get a quarterback.

DeSean Watson (41:55)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (41:57)

So you never, never know. Buzzy Dylan Gabriel is only a few touchdowns from re breaking the record, which will make Cam Ward look hella dumb. Look, I. Look, Ocho and I, we discussed this a little earlier. Yeah, Ocho and I, we're in accordance. We wouldn't have done what he did, but this young man did what he did. We don't know why he did it. I'm just going to trust his judgment. That's not what I've done. Either I'm sitting out or I'm playing. But I'm not going to start the game and then come out. The second half, I finish it. Yeah, that's not what I'm doing. It's just hard for me to believe Del Ocho that he, like, okay, I got the record knowing that Gabriel is coming behind him, but who knows? And then it's just. It's not a good look. But he did it, Fuzzy. I don't know why he did it, but that's the decision that he made. That's the decision that he's going to have to live with. And your last college game, Ocho.

DeSean Watson (43:01)

Yeah, man. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (43:02)

Nah, I ain't going out like that. Not me. Not me. I'm not going out like that. But, hey, Evan. Bursting. Since when has strength of a roster been a part of MVP evaluation? Look at Kurt Warner roster. Look at Peyton Manning's roster. Look at Tom Brady's roster when he had Moss, Mahomes, had reek and 87. So who we. Who, who, who are we looking at? I guess this. Is this about. Is this about Lamar? And I think we went through that the other day. We went through that. Edan had 1548 yards rushing. And you're right. He won an MVP with Reggie. He won an MVP with Marvin Harrison and Stokely as his wide out. He won in Denver. He had. Who did he have? He had DT demarius Thomas, rest his soul. He had Eric Decker. He had Julius Thomas. He had Wes Welker, had no Shamarino. So.

DeSean Watson (44:04)

That boy were loaded, bro.

Shannon Sharpe (44:06)

They. They were. And as he mentioned, you mentioned Kurt Warner. Kurt had Oz. He had Tory Holt. He had Isaac Bruce. He had Reggae Ray. He had. Excuse me, Marshall. Marshall was offensive player of the year for like three years in a row and he won an mvp, so. I get it. I get it. Trudy Lawrence said. Hey, Shay, at oo. Have you seen 6888 movie by Tyler Perry? What are your thoughts? I have not.

DeSean Watson (44:36)

I have not seen it either.

Shannon Sharpe (44:37)

Is it good?

DeSean Watson (44:39)

Yeah. I mean, sh. I. Listen, I've been a Tyler Perry fan since the stage plays.

Shannon Sharpe (44:45)

Oh, yeah, the stage plays was unbelievable.

DeSean Watson (44:47)

Yeah, I haven't had an opportunity to go to watch anything. Speaking of. Speaking of stuff. Watching stuff. You. You watch Squid games, huh? No, no.

Shannon Sharpe (44:57)

I mean, I would like to watch a lot more things if they stop bringing bowl games in NFL football on tv we see like. I've been watching games. I watch games Monday, watch games Wednesday, watch Game Thursday, watch game Saturday. Gotta guess what. Got games against Sunday. Games get Monday. And then we got basketball. Then we got the bowl game we about to have, you know, the college football playoff. About to crank back up ass. Said it was great. Maybe we'll watch and do a nightcap movie review sometime.

DeSean Watson (45:30)

Hey, I like. I like that.

Shannon Sharpe (45:32)

What? What? What did it. Come on. I ain't got no money. Well, I got your. I got new. I got your Netflix account, Ash.

DeSean Watson (45:38)

Yeah, it's on Netflix. You gotta. You gotta. Well, if you didn't watch the first one, I don't know if you're gonna be lost watching the second one, but.

Shannon Sharpe (45:45)

I guess I was talking about the Tyler Perry play.

DeSean Watson (45:48)

Oh, okay.

Shannon Sharpe (45:50)

Yeah, I said I got Ash Netflix account, so. And she be watching trash movies too. Actually, it's called. It's called six triple eight. Oh, that's what the movie's called. Six triple eight. Okay. Shows what I know. And I try to watch a lot of stuff and stuff, but you need to let me know there's something that we gonna talk about so I can watch it. Other than that, what we gonna talk about on here? I watch Apache Hall. Said, Uncle Nocho. I recently turned 29 on the 23rd of this month. And I was wondering if you two have any advice for a man approaching his 30s, wanted to start a career and a family. What you mean start a career?

DeSean Watson (46:38)

Start a career.

Shannon Sharpe (46:40)

Now, family I get. Bro, you 29. What the hell you mean, start a family? So I'm trying to figure out what you did from the time you. Your early twenties till now.

DeSean Watson (46:50)

You have. You was out there having fun, huh? You was out there having fun.

Shannon Sharpe (46:54)

Hey, you can have fun, but you have to understand. What about a career?

DeSean Watson (47:02)

You gotta star. You gotta start that. I mean, it ain't never too late to start, but you should.

Shannon Sharpe (47:08)

Yeah, but you don't know. But you don't start thinking about a career at 29. Yeah, you might not start the career, but I mean. Okay, let's just say, Ocho, you was doing something, but that's not what you wanted to do.

DeSean Watson (47:20)

Right? And that's different. That's different. But you gotta get. You got. You gotta get. You gotta be able to separate the two, though.

Shannon Sharpe (47:27)

Yes.

DeSean Watson (47:28)

Do the career. Get your feet wet in the career.

Shannon Sharpe (47:32)

Then get the fail.

DeSean Watson (47:34)

Then get the family. Yeah, that career rolling a little bit, man. Get some consistency first. Yeah, family.

Shannon Sharpe (47:45)

Yeah, I mean, you. Look, I ain't gonna tell you how to live your life. You can do it however you want to, but it's a lot easier if you got a career and to get a family than get a family and try to find a career.

DeSean Watson (47:54)

Yeah.

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Shannon Sharpe (49:00)

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Shannon Sharpe (49:11)

Bobby, what do you want to be?

DeSean Watson (49:13)

Whatever it is they don't want me to be.

Bob Dylan (49:14)

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DeSean Watson (49:29)

They just want me singing blowing in the wind for the rest of my life.

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Shannon Sharpe (49:41)

Turn it down.

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Shannon Sharpe (51:07)

Patrick, you gotta get on the ball, bro. Anthony Bank. Anytime a woman says need to talk, either y'all break it up or you in big trouble.

DeSean Watson (51:14)

True. Hey, boy, listen. That's the. That's. You have three words you don't want to hear. Oh, that's four. My bad.

Shannon Sharpe (51:23)

Yeah, we got. We get the gist of what you were saying. She want to talk and you. And you don't want to.

DeSean Watson (51:32)

Hey, listen. And I tell you, he bring you that phone and he show you that phone. Who is this?

Shannon Sharpe (51:38)

Who? Oh, joke, you know. Hey, you get amnesia.

DeSean Watson (51:46)

Hey, hey, hold on. You start squeezing, man. I don't know. I ain't never seen that before. Yeah, I don't know who that is.

Shannon Sharpe (51:56)

That ain't what you said. That ain't what you said right here. Hold it, man. Somebody. Somebody. Somebody done photoshopped my phone, man.

DeSean Watson (52:15)

Hey, I remember them days in high school and college.

Shannon Sharpe (52:17)

Oh, Joe, that was you. Like, why you going. My phone.

DeSean Watson (52:21)

Yeah, yeah. I remember them dating. Hey, this was good, but as always.

Shannon Sharpe (52:30)

We need to talk. What? Oh, can I. Oh, Ocho, can I ask you something? No.

DeSean Watson (52:47)

Oh, I remember them days.

Shannon Sharpe (52:52)

Joe Sergeant say, stay with me now. Can I get a birthday shout out belated December 27th. 1 of 1 of your favorite supporters since CBS and NFL Broadcasting Day. Absolutely. Joe. Thank you so much, bro. Appreciate that. Happy belated birthday. Never too late to get a birthday. We normally here. We normally go like three to five days. After that, it's too late. We get you next time around. We ain't gonna be. We ain't gonna be no three months past your birthday. To my man, my birthday was in March, and here we are in. We are May. That a little bit too. That's a little bit too. Too late. But, Joe, happy birthday, man. Hopefully. I mean, bro, you had a lot going on. Got Christmas birthday. That's sad for you. Cause, you know, you get one gift, it's a Christmas present. So I feel sorry for people that. That got December birthdays especially close around Christmas or. Oh, Christmas. Cause. Oh, yeah, I got you a Christmas gift. That ain't no Christmas gift that birthday. Because you Got it in Christmas wrapping paper.

DeSean Watson (53:51)

Yeah, and I won't. I want both.

Shannon Sharpe (53:55)

Dylan Mitchell said. Can you give me a shout out? I'm a spinal cord injury survivor and intense recovery from Mississippi. Dylan, keep your head up, bro. Chin up. One step at a time, one day at a time. And believe that you are going to walk again, that you're going to be the old Dylan that you once were, that when that you did. Unforeseen incident happened. But guess what? Sunshine follows rain. And, Dylan, you're going to walk again.

DeSean Watson (54:23)

Praying for you.

Shannon Sharpe (54:25)

Oh, he got. Oh, he got. Oh, I thought he said, oh. So he got ms, Multiple sclerosis. Dylan, I'm trying to think. Do I know somebody that had that? Is it. Is. Is it curable? Ash? Dylan, we praying for you, bro.

DeSean Watson (54:46)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (54:48)

It's tough. It's. It's tough to be something one day and then have to. And then your life is altered the next. And we at Nightcap, the family here at Nightcap, bro, we. You. Our sincere thoughts and prayers go out to you, bro, because I can just. I can only imagine what you must be thinking, what you must be going through, what your family is thinking, what they're going through. So I don't even know if I have the words, and I'm pretty good with words, and I don't even know if I have the words, but all I can say is that, bro, we're here, we're with you. Stay strong in your spirits and in your thoughts and just continue to be the best dealing and. And pray, and hopefully you find comfort. But sorry, sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but we believe in you and we believe that you're going to pull through this clutch conversation. Podcast says, what advice do you have for small podcasters between. Love the show advice. It's a lot of work, bro, and it all depends because I don't really know when you said, I don't really know what type of podcasting that you do. I don't know if you're sports involved, if it's sports related because, you know, sports happen on holidays, sports happens on the weekends, basically. Sports, said Lyle, is year round. Ocho. It used to be, you know, football is year round. You know, you got basketball. So one thing bleeds into another. Now, we don't really cover a whole lot of the other sports. We're mainly focused on football and basketball. Now we've kind of gotten to the, you know, track and field because the Olympics and the world championships, which I really like that. But I think the thing is that hard work, find your niche, whatever it is you're going to do, and just become. Just become addicted to the grind. Get people that are also addicted as much as you are to the grind and just try to be the best. Immerse yourself in what you're trying to do, what you're trying to accomplish. Read a lot, but I've surrounded myself with really good people. I am not the smartest person in the room. I think I'm like third. And there are only three people in the room. So I feel good about that. I feel really good about that. But I think clutch. That's it, man. You gotta start small. I mean, everybody started small. Everybody started. Nobody really started at the top of the food chain, but it's a gradual climb. It's the work in workout day by day one subscriber 10 subscribers but it's all about creating great content. Make people want to listen to what you have to say. Make people talk about what you're having to say. Hey, man, did you hear that? That podcast, Clutch Pod Conversation podcast, man, they had a bit some interesting conversation. They talked about this and so forth and so on. So that would be my advice that I would give you. Make people talk about you. Make people want to listen to you. Make people want to see you. Download what you have to say. Make people want to share what you're. What the content that you're creating. Damn on here. I was trying to be on here for like an hour. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite unc. I'm down, but I ain't out. Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that, like, button. The happy guy. Liberty City's legend Bingo Ring of fame honoree. He's so happy. He's so, so happy. But I'm gonna have the last laugh. Those who laugh last laugh loudest Bingo Ring of fame Martoree. The Pro bowl, the all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson again. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that, like button. Go tell family, friends and loved ones to do likewise. Make sure you subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. And thank you so much for your support and your continued support and beyond. 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DeSean Watson (60:49)

Who they be?

Shannon Sharpe (60:51)

I'm gonna tell you in a minute. The Bengals keep their slim playoff hopes alive and with a fourth quarter win thanks to Joe Burrow 400 plus yards passing, three touchdowns. All the T Higgins as they beat the Broncos 30 to 24. Now they just need the Broncos to lose next week. They need the Dolphins or Indy to lose one of their last two games and they make the playoffs. But if the Broncos win, it does not matter which. The Broncos will win and so it won't matter. Chargers could clinch a playoff spot with a 40 to 7 shellacking over the New England Patriots on the road. BYU demolished the 20 number 23 Colorado Buffaloes by the score of 36 to 14. This was Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter's last game is Buffalo. They didn't go out the way they wanted, but they got to feel real proud of the new tradition that they've established in Colorado. Cam Ward sets the Division 1 mark with 156 touchdown passes in his career, but he doesn't come out for the second half. I'm sure that's something that's going to be talked about over this next couple of days. The Browns and DeSean Watson have agreed to a restructured contract. Eric Dickinson is not wanting Saquon to break his record. Sacramento Kings fired Mike Brown over the phone as he was on his way to to the flight to go head to LA to for the Kings to face the Lakers. That's Nightcap for you. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you for staying up late. We'll see you tomorrow after Sunday Night Football. I'm unk He's Ocho. We're out.

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