Nightcap Hour 2: Dillon Brooks Gets DROPPED By KD After TRASH TALKING + Jayson Tatum RETURNS to MSG + JJ Reddick CALLS OUT Lakers Team + Max Kellerman CHOOSES Cooper Flagg OVER Luka + Kevin Durant OR Ant Man in Playoffs?

Summary

Club Shay Shay Nightcap Hour 2: Detailed Episode Summary

Episode Date: April 9, 2026
Main Topics: Dillon Brooks vs. Kevin Durant, Jayson Tatum’s Return to MSG, Lakers’ Struggles, Cooper Flagg vs. Luka, Ant Man vs. KD in the Playoffs
Hosts and Guests: Shannon Sharpe (Joe), Uncle Ocho, Brian

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Episode Overview

This energetic Nightcap Hour 2 episode dives into the latest NBA controversies, elite player matchups, and playoff predictions. Shannon Sharpe and his roundtable put a comedic, insightful spin on locker room trash talk, injury comeback narratives, team chemistry issues, and hot takes rocking the basketball world. The episode’s tone stays authentic and unfiltered—bouncing between serious basketball analysis and playful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dillon Brooks Trash Talks Kevin Durant—And Gets Dropped

Segment: 01:00–04:25

• Dillon Brooks tried to get into Kevin Durant’s head with trash talk but ended up being crossed over and humiliated by KD during a recent game. The panel watches the clip and reacts.

  "That man stumbled twice, he touched earth twice, and he just calmly knocked down the midi. Hey, man, better watch who you talking to sometime.” — Uncle Ocho (01:20)

• The panel loves the drama of trash talk but acknowledges that talking against elite players like KD often backfires, motivating them to go even harder.

  "[KD] said that, you know, Dylan Brooks ain't got no effect on his game. That's a lie. ... It'll make you pull out what you got." — Uncle Ocho (01:43)

• Brooks’ antagonistic style is discussed as a way he gets himself hyped, but it doesn’t seem to faze all-time greats.

  "That might bother lesser tier players. You don't play at that level. ... Cameras called. KD said my worst season is better than your best season." — Joe (02:33)

Memorable Moment

• Everyone cackles at the KD/Dillon Brooks clip and references infamous trash talk battles in NBA history.

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2. Jayson Tatum Returns to MSG After Achilles Injury

Segment: 04:25–10:23

• Tatum is returning to Madison Square Garden a year after tearing his Achilles there. His public comments admit to being “not thrilled” about it; the crew discusses the mental hurdle of returning to the injury site.

• Host personalizes the struggle by reflecting on his own return to Oakland after a major injury.

  "Now that he's talking about it... I broke my collar bone in Oakland. The next time I played in Oakland, I went 96 yards down the middle of the field, scored a touchdown ... It didn’t even dawn on me that, like, man, this is where I broke my collarbone last time I was here." — Joe (06:52)

• Panel feels Tatum will be fine—he's playing well since coming back, and “the tendon is as strong as it’s going to be.”

  "I think he gonna be just fine. He looks great from, from his movement and how he's been playing. He's been shooting the three ball better, getting to the rack." — Uncle Ocho (05:35)

• Notes how physical Knicks vs. Celtics matchups get, and the upcoming game will be “pretty intense.”

Memorable Moment

• Riffing on Tatum’s surprising height (“he like 6'10”!”) and roster matchups with the Knicks’ recent trades.

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3. Lakers Team Chemistry Drama—JJ Redick Calls Out Players

Segment: 11:15–18:48

• After another Lakers loss, JJ Redick publicly calls out the team, especially Rui Hachimura and Jarred Vanderbilt (Vando), for lack of effort and execution.

• The hosts debate if the cracks are appearing or if missing stars (LeBron, Luka, Austin Reaves) explain everything.

  "You got two of your best players out... These ain't guys who you just throw the ball to and they can go get you a bucket. They play great off of your great players." — Uncle Ocho (12:00)

• Redick’s hyper-detailed, uncompromising coaching style is discussed.

  "He should have been a lawyer. Because his notes ... are so—to the T." — Joe (15:03)

• Lament over how role players are exposed when stars are out. Lakers’ roster isn’t as “loaded” as some claim.

  "How many quality minutes are those guys getting up there on other contending teams?... None." — Uncle Ocho (14:31)

Notable Quote

• "Just play hard. At one point the score was 42-42... I look back up, it's 69-47." — Joe (17:28)

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4. Max Kellerman’s Hot Take—Cooper Flagg Over Luka Doncic?

Segment: 23:17–27:00

• Kellerman claims he’d “rather have Cooper Flagg over Luka Doncic,” citing Flagg’s elite defense and potential to be the best player on a championship team.

• Panel debates Luka’s greatness and impact versus the hype around Flagg.

  "Let me ask you a question. If I take Cooper Flagg and I put him on that Dallas team and I remove Luka, can he do what Luka doing to the Clips, with Kawhi, PG and all those defenders? No." — Joe (24:41)

• Context on how rare it is for teenage rookies to star; Flagg’s success against the men’s national team cited as evidence of real talent.

  "I saw them joker scrimmage against the men's national team ... and what he was doing to those guys, I said, oh yeah, he have no problem." — Joe (25:47)

Notable Quote

• "His numbers was better his rookie year than LeBron's." — Uncle Ocho (23:59)

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5. Youth Versus Experience: Kevin Durant or Ant Man for Playoffs?

Segment: 30:45–39:03

• Brian Windhorst (“not close”) says for the 2026 playoffs, he’d rather have Anthony “Ant Man” Edwards than Kevin Durant.

• Panel agrees the argument is legitimate—KD has only won one playoff series since leaving the Warriors, while Ant has won four in just two years and brings two-way energy.

  "He let it be known. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm out here to kick LeBron ass. I'm out here to kick KD ass. I'm out here. I'm going at these boys. ... He plays hard defensively, he guards, and then he can take over a game." — Uncle Ocho (31:48)

• KD’s age and impact discussed—numbers remain strong, but the effect on winning and playoff results has declined.

  "It seems like as a player gets older, even though if he gives you the same numbers, they don't impact the game like he once did." — Joe (36:58)

• Revisits KD’s career arc—winning MVPs as the leader of GSW, criticism for joining them after being up 3-1, and legacy perceptions.

• Concludes that NBA’s youth movement will only make it harder for aging stars to win again.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “That man stumbled twice, he touched earth twice, and he just calmly knocked down the midi... Slim Reaper. He ain't playing no games out there.” — Uncle Ocho on KD humbling Dillon Brooks (01:14)
• “KD said: ‘My worst season is better than your best season.’” — Joe (02:44)
• "He looks great from his movement and how he's been playing. ... It's gonna be in the back of his mind, but I think he's gonna be just fine." — Uncle Ocho on Jayson Tatum's return (05:35)
• "He should have been a lawyer. Because his notes... are so—to the T." — Joe about JJ Redick's coaching style (15:03)
• “Let me ask you a question. If I put Cooper Flagg on that Dallas team and remove Luka, can he do what Luka doing to the Clips?... No.” — Joe (24:41)
• "He let it be known. ...I'm out here to kick LeBron ass. I'm out here to kick KD ass. ...He plays hard defensively, he guards, and then he can take over a game." — Uncle Ocho on Ant Man (31:48)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|------------| | KD drops Dillon Brooks after trash talk | 01:00–04:25| | Jayson Tatum returns to MSG | 04:25–10:23| | Lakers’ struggles—JJ Redick calls out team | 11:15–18:48| | Cooper Flagg vs. Luka discussion | 23:17–27:00| | KD vs. Ant Man for playoff run | 30:45–39:03|

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Episode Tone & Flow

• The conversation is lively, often humorous, with the hosts riffing off each other’s stories and one-liners but always looping back to sharp NBA analysis. Reflections on former playing days and coaching wisdom ground the analysis, blending real athlete experience with current hot takes.

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This episode is a must-listen for NBA fans who love spirited debates, inside stories, and unfiltered perspective on both current stars and rising talents.

Transcript

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[Joe]

Dylan Brooks talk all that trash to kd, Just immediately get his ankle broken. Take a look at this clip, guys.

[Uncle Ocho]

This was nasty, But he killed. Hold on. Did y' all see how when he caught the ball, he looked left like he was going toward the pick and he rejected real quick. Hell, Dylan Brooks didn't know what the hell was going on. That man stumbled twice, he touched earth twice, and he just calmly knocked down the midi. Hey, man, better watch who you talking to sometime. Yeah, Slim Reaper. He ain't playing no games out there. I like to see when dudes do, but I like to see when dudes talk stuff. I like watching Dylan Brooks play in his antics, him being emotional. Yeah, but hey, man, sometime they don't do nothing but turn some guys up, bro. It turns some cats up, man. To the point. Yeah. After the game, KD said that, you know, Dylan Brooks ain't got no effect on his game. That's a lie. That man. Hey, he, he, he. He made you going in that bag, you know, somebody go to talking to you, it'll make you pull out what you got.

[Brian]

Oh, yeah, and the funny thing about it, Dylan Brooks, he go with everybody, especially the better players. When he competing against, you know, the KD's or the LeBrons, he gonna antagonize you. He gonna get in your ear a little bit, try to throw you.

[Joe]

But. But them great players they don't f. They don't bother that don't bother them. That might bother lesser tier players. You don't play at that level. You think Dylan Brooks is the first guy to try to get up?

[Brian]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, think about LeBron. He had, how he had to deal with a blowing all in his ear doing all this foolishness. Yeah, these guys used to it. Cameras called. Katie said my worst season is better than your best season.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, it's some truth in that.

[Brian]

Hey, it's levels to everything, Joe. But when you had that competing and you a talker. Dylan Brooks always been.

[Uncle Ocho]

You ain't said none of that.

[Brian]

Yeah, he always been one. That gonna antagonize you. You don't get this work. I don't care what your seasons look like, whether it's better than my, whether it's better than my, my best or not. I'm gna talk this.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I think that, I think that they got by them getting traded for one another pretty much. I think that's kind of, you know, it may be a little something there.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Little bad blood Jo be a little something there.

[Joe]

Boy, you trade for Dylan Brooks for Kevin Durant. As much as you talk, you ain't bother them D lineman than Joo, you know who the Bob. Hey, D.B. come here. No, I ain't talking to you. I'm talking to him. I'm talking safety. You're a chalk too,

[Brian]

man.

[Joe]

Look, I, I, I love it. You know, that's, that's what Dylan Brooks is doing is more to get him going, himself going than that impact. Because when you're dealing with those level of guys, right, it ain't got nothing

[Uncle Ocho]

to do with them. Right. But if they, if they end up, if they end up meeting in the playoffs, it's gonna be some smoke. It's gonna be some smoke. Trust me.

[Joe]

Just on a year after tearing his right Achilles tenant in Madison Square Garden, Jason Tatum will make his return Thursday when he and the Celtics take on the Knicks. Tatum said he's not exactly looking forward to it. Tatum said. I mean, yeah, I thought about it. I'm not like thrilled to go back to and play there. The last time I played there, obviously it was traumatic experience for me. Obviously I knew at some point I would have to get over that hurdle and play there again. So it's going to have to be this Thursday. But it's not like I'm thrilled about it, but it's part of it. I've decided to come back and play. So I'm not necessarily skipping certain Games I can't play back to back right now, but I decided to come back and play, so it's just another game on the schedule. Joe, are you concerned about those type of comments? Normally, guys, like, man, I was a little jittery to go back out there the first game back, because I am coming back when many thought I was going to miss this regular season. But he's like, he's not looking up. It's a specific place. Normally, guys, it's not the specific place. It's like the first game. Now, if the first game was back there, his first game back. Joke.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right, right, right.

[Joe]

But now you've been playing two, three weeks, and so I'm gonna get your point.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't think. I think he gonna be all right, man. He's been playing great basketball since he's been back, especially over the past, what, maybe five or six games or so. But, yes, it's natural. If you had an injury somewhere and you get back in that environment or in that same place, that he's gonna think about it. Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean? Playing in Madison Square Garden, thinking like, damn, last time I was here, you know, it's right here in this particular spot where I was laying at when I tore my Achilles. It's gonna be in the back of his mind, but I think he gonna be just fine. I think he's gonna be just fine. He looks great from, from his movement and how he's been playing. He's been shooting the three ball better, getting to the rack. I, I, I, I don't think. I don't think I, I think he'd be all right.

[Brian]

Yeah, I think he'll be.

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Brian]

I ain't, I ain't never been injured, so it's hard for me to say. Woody would be thinking about, obviously, if you had an injury and you're going back to the place, what injury actually happened. I think it's in the back of your mind, but being a competitor, you really can't let it. Really can't let it get in the way.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Are you actually planning and performing, you know, at the highest level? Obviously, you want to go out there and do what you do. So I, I'm. I don't know. Joe, Joe, Joe, you and that y' all be better to. It kind of, kind of assess that.

[Joe]

Now that he's talking about it, I was like. And I. It never dawned on me. Oo I. In 99, I broke my collar bone in Oakland. The next time I played in Oakland, I went 96 yards down the middle of the field, scored a touchdown against the 2000 for the Ravens. That was my first time back there. It didn't dawn on me until now.

[Brian]

Yeah, okay, okay.

[Joe]

It, I, it didn't even dawn on me that, like, man, this is where I broke my collarbone last time I was here. It, I, I, it didn't cross my mind until we started to, like, he started like I tore my Achilles in, in, in Madison Square Garden and I'm coming back. Like I said. Now, maybe I, it would have been at the forefront of my mind if my first game back would have been in Oakland, but because so much time has passed, had passed, I'm just happy to go back to Oakland. Hey, I, I look and I, and I agree with you, Joe. I think the, the mere fact that he's been there for three weeks and he's gotten better and better and better and better. I, I, I don't, I don't think he has anything, I don't, me personally, I don't think he has anything to worry about. I think that, that, that that tendon is, is as strong as it's going to be.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I do think, you know, considering that it, that, that, that the Celtics are playing the Knicks, that's going to be a physical, physical game. Uncle Ocho, you know, it's going to be a playoff game. See them big wings that they got? They, that's why, that's why the Knicks went out and got og that's why the Knicks went out and got Bridges because of what to play against Tatum and Brown. So it's probably, it's probably going to be probably one of the most physical games he's going to play since his return. If we just keeping it 100. I mean, because it ain't but a couple games left. Everybody's still kind of jockeying for position, you know what I mean? So it's going to be, it's going to be pretty intense.

[Joe]

It, it is. And man, when you, you think about it, Joe, I didn't realize until like seeing like Jason Tatum said, Jason Tatum,

[Uncle Ocho]

like, man, that boy tall man

[Brian]

here,

[Joe]

I was thinking all this damn time, he like 6, 8. Nah, that both like 16.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's the advantage and that's the advantage that they have because you can play Tatum at the four and have, have, have your five out there. Obviously, when they had poor Zingus or Al Horford, you know, they were playing metaphor and play one of those guys at the 5, but they got a, they, I don't say I Won't say a totally different team, but they got different type of bigs now. You know, obviously they got Vusovic. You can shoot the three. He could spread the floor. Yeah, but the other kid, I can't. What's his name? I like him. Defender, rebounder, rim runner, lob threat. Gonna play hard. And that's what they've been missing. That's what they. That's what the Celtics been missing. It's gonna be a good game tomorrow.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, it's gonna be tough. Cause you know what, and you can't take anything away, you know, out of the matchup because I think the Celtics beat the Knicks during the regular season last year and damn the next. Damn this.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe]

They could.

[Uncle Ocho]

They had number A, Big body Bronson.

[Joe]

Yeah. They have no answer. No matter how. Think about it. No matter how big of a lead they had, Nick would just. Just methodically just track them down.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yep. Because even the game, Tatum got hurt. I thought he was playing great, but hell, they were still losing.

[Joe]

Unbelievable.

[Uncle Ocho]

They were losing when he, when, when he got hurt.

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[Joe]

After the Lakers lost last night, JJ Reddick crawled out the entire team on Rui. He wasn't doing his job. I took his ass out. He didn't say ass out on Vando. It was a confluence of things he did wrong. Damn. Oh, Aiden, he can't catch the ball. Reddick also said. Also got into the on the sideline with Vando. Reddit called timeout just 16 seconds until the second quarter to sub Vando out for the game. Telling Dalton connect to check in in his place. Vando walked over and. And let him hear it. Joe, are the cracks starting to show with the.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I don't want to say the cracks are starting to show, man. You got to look at it from this standpoint. I mean, damn, you got two of your best players out, you know, who.

[Brian]

Who.

[Uncle Ocho]

Who makes the game easier for everybody else. Now, if those guys are out and you putting Van Gogh and these guys in advantageous situations to where now they gotta do. They gotta do stuff offensively that they're not accustomed to doing or, you know, basically playing both ends of the court, like, yeah, it's gonna be some mishaps. It's gonna be some, you know, some grunt. Some players grunt disgruntled because of, you know, there's not. There's. There's not many opportunity, man. These ain't guys who you just throw the ball to and they can go get you a bucket. They play great off of your great players, you know what I mean? So now that Luca and AR is out, I mean, hell, Braun didn't play. Damn.

[Joe]

What, Ocho?

[Uncle Ocho]

What y'. All. What y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Ocho]

What y' all want us to do? What y' all want me to do?

[Joe]

And that's what Vandal said. Bastard.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on.

[Joe]

No Braun, no ar, no Luca. And then you hadn't played Dalton Connect since Hammer was a hatchet. And now all of a sudden, you go, 16 seconds. I just got in.

[Uncle Ocho]

And we play.

[Joe]

I read on the court.

[Uncle Ocho]

And we playing against okc, the best team in the damn league. They just beat us by 50 the other day.

[Brian]

Hey.

[Joe]

And now they came back and got us about 37. Go ahead.

[Brian]

I say coach got to know, man. He got to know, honestly. Oh, know your personnel, Joe,

[Joe]

you too. Honest. He can't. Yeah, because he ain't lie. DeAndre ain't got the worst hands I've ever seen.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know what? I. I noticed that too, man. Cause I'm like, he. He do be missing a lot of, you know, them look. Yeah, but, man, you. You. I mean, that's. I don't think that was a. Well, I think for. For jj, it was a situation to where he could make a point. You know what I mean? Like, listen, I'm gonna put my foot down. We gonna get our ass kicked tonight, but I'm gonna chew off in these dudes ass tonight.

[Joe]

But that just goes to show you, look how those guys look. Look how Those guys look. OkC look when Shay and Jalen Williams weren't playing. Look how they look. Not look how Lakers players look when they big guns no play. Look at other teams when their big guns don't play. How they look.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, damn.

[Joe]

And y' all talk about the Lakers. Oh, the Lakers. Loaded with what? With what? With what they got. How many? How many, Joe, be honest. How many quality minutes are Those guys getting up there on other continuing teams.

[Uncle Ocho]

None. I mean, you. I mean, for the Lakers, you just got too many key guys out. I mean, look, Marcus Smart out with Luke LeBron. I mean, damn, what you expect?

[Joe]

I. I just. I just expect. Joe, if I throw you the ball, you to catch it. That's all I want you to do. And don't let. And don't let it go out of bounds. And the man said it was a confluence of things that he did wrong. Well, damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Other than.

[Joe]

Other than having Jersey tucked in and chuck it in the game, that's the only thing he seemingly did right.

[Brian]

That was.

[Joe]

That was just.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, with them you playing, you arguably playing against the best defensive team in the league. Man, these dudes, they stingy. They ain't giving up nothing. Okay.

[Brian]

See, no matter who hurt.

[Joe]

Well, okay, I can understand that. But here's the thing, Joe. Like you said, you was in the right spot. Even. I'm gonna be where I supposed to be. So we cut the tape on. I'm where I'm supposed to be.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I'm. I can't let who we playing dictate how I play. Ocho. I will be where I supposed to be. I'm gonna do what I'm supposed to do. It seemingly. I could be wrong. I could be totally off base. But JJ wasn't pleased. Jj, like, because the one thing about the little while that I did work with him, he's a very, very serious guy, and he ain't got no problem. He gonna tell you now that ain't what happened. Nope. He very meticulous with notes. I mean, he come out there and he know, like, he should have. He should have been a lawyer. Because his nosa immediately wrote, yes. Yes. He like. He write the dissertation. Absolutely. I'm like, well, damn. My. My. My nose don't look nothing like this. Hell, my nose probably only I can read them. Somebody get his notes, they gonna be able to read everything. Because it's so. I mean, to the T. To the T.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. He got notes like that. So I'm. I. I'm just concerned about sometimes, like I said, the coach say. Like my coach told me one time, say, sean, sometimes I gotta lie to him. Sometimes I gotta tell them they good. When.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Not sometimes I got to tell them they're doing a good job when they're not.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, listen, I mean, think. Think about it, though. Think about it. I think. I think with the Lakers getting embarrassed last night at home, fellas, I think that's really what Said JJ off. You know, you, you making. You making. You know, put brush that under the rug on the road. But when you at home in front of those Laker. That Laker crowd.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got to you regardless of who, just play hard.

[Joe]

Just play hard. Joe. Joe, they quit. Joe, you do your hold on. At one point in time, the score was 43. It was 42. 42. I look back up the score. 63, 47.

[Uncle Ocho]

That sound about right?

[Joe]

That's no. 6. Yeah, like 69, 47. But anyway, I think they went on like a 20. They went on like a 23. A 25. 5 or 27.

[Uncle Ocho]

Five run.

[Brian]

Jeez.

[Joe]

Yeah, the score was 42, 42. And then they go on a 27. They go on like a 25.5 or 27.5, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

But listen, Lakers depleted the OKC Thunder. They're healthy. They're fully healthy. They ready for the postseason. Uncle Ocho. They ain't playing no games.

[Joe]

Joe, can I just get you to play hard? Can I get you to be where you're supposed to be if I throw you the ball, catch it, even if you missed the shot? But Joe, if I throw you the ball and he goes out of bounds, well, then what I'm supposed to do if you're not where you're supposed to be on defense, if we got. If we. If we calling for a pick at the top. What, bro, why I gotta keep go set the pig? Why gotta keep doing that? Because why I gotta keep saying get over.

[Brian]

Get over Them lights bright over there in la, huh, Joe?

[Joe]

And all the joke. All the jokers that's been playing, they've been in the NBA a while. Rui's been in the league far too long. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Brian]

They've been in the NBA for a while. They ain't been in that Lakers under them type of lights and that type of pressure for a while. It's a difference. Your big guns out, your big guns not playing.

[Joe]

Rui has been in those situations. RUI was on the team that went to the Western Conference finals against Denver. RUY was in the situation when they played, when they was on the road. And he hit big shot after big shot. Joe, you remember he's hitting big shot at the big shot against Memphis. He and AR damn near single handedly him that game. Cuz, hey, LeBron's like, nope, keep. He kept beating him, kept beating him. And then LeBron got him, got him back. When they got back to. Got back to la, Bron said, y. Y' all done. Yeah, y' all done. Yeah, it's over. It's over for y'. All. And he had that, that monster game the last game. But I, I, I think it. And that's why I couldn't cope. That's because you got a lot.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's because they expecting, they was expecting too much from Aiden last night. Just keep it 100.

[Joe]

I mean, from a, from a number one overall draft pick that's seven foot tall. That's in a contract year. I'm expecting too much.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Because the guys who he typically play off of, hell, they ain't out here tonight. I ain't like Aiden can get the rebound and bring it up like a point. He got the. You know what I mean? Like.

[Joe]

But I gave him the ball, Joe. He gave it back to him by throwing.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying he been playing like this, un. Is what I'm saying. I'm saying. But the fact that you've had Ar, Luca and Braun out there, hell, that go by the wayside. But now that they ain't out there, now it's very glaring because it's magnified.

[Joe]

Yeah, everything gets magnified when those guys are not there to cover.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, so, so now. Yeah, you gonna use him as a scapegoat? Yeah, he, he, he say he's. He's sick of aging stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He's an ak. Catch the ball. And that's how it is sometimes. I mean, you got. Been playing like poop, but you had guys to pick the poop up.

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

Now when there's nobody there to pick it up or cover it up, you're like, well, damn, is everybody just gonna let the dog just go out here? Because I'd be walking. I'm like, bro, it makes me mad. The guy. Hold on. You pick the poop up, put it in the bag, and then throw the bag on the ground. You should have just left it down there. Joe, how sorry do. Chad, how sorry do you have to be? You pick up behind your dog, and then instead of carrying it and putting in the trash can at your home, you throw the bag on the ground with the poop in it.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that's why I walk my dog at night. I don't take that down. We're gonna let it go.

[Joe]

Come on, Joe. Joe. See Joe get some bag to pick it up. Come on, Joe. Don't be that guy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Brian]

Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's why I walk my dog at night. Oh, hey.

[Brian]

Oh, you. Oh, you don't pick up. You don't pick up at the door.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't got no bag or nothing.

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Man.

[Uncle Ocho]

We just out there. Get the bag.

[Joe]

Joe. Joe. Come on, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, that man be dropping some lows. You know the master. You know you done that.

[Joe]

I, I've had two, I've had two bull masters. I got a Boreble, I got a Nikita. Yes. I got the giant size bag and some of them sometimes it'd be like, like, like a Dairy Queen tone. I said, bro, get up, bro. You know, if you know for a dog to go in front of you, that means he trusts you because that's yeah. Vulnerable. That's why. That's why the dog looking at you people like, well, why the dog looking at me, cuz? He like, okay, you got me right, Cuz, you know I'm in a. Just like if you on the toilet, somebody come beat the brakes off me. Why you lock the door, man? You don't want somebody to run down on your shoulder without. Man, don't, don't. Hey, just let me put my clothes on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, and don't let it be running too. Boy. I'm damn sure you picking it up.

[Joe]

Uncle.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm sorry.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey.

[Brian]

No, sir.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Hey. I remember my brother. My grandma beat my brother had my brother did something. My brother have no shirt on granny. Gr. You gonna beat me like this? You damn right shut down on him. He thought he gonna put it. He thought he granny gonna let him put that T shirt on. Gr. And you know my granny had to tell. Yeah, I had to shut down on that boy ass. Well, my grandma was a snitch. That's where I got it from, guys.

[Uncle Ocho]

My grandma tell it. Yeah,

[Joe]

but, but J.J. told the truth. Max Kellerman says that he would rather have Cooper flag over Luka Doncic coming into the NBA. I would rather have Cooper flag over Luca. I like his style of play. I like. Luca is better playmaker. But Luca isn't a defender. Cooper is excellent. Cooper flag is one of these actual that can defend one through five level players. He's an athletic and he has a style I like which can lead to winning in a championship. He can be the best player on the championship team. I would say he's the best teenager since LeBron. Well, that's not really, that's not really going out on the limb because his

[Uncle Ocho]

numbers, I mean his numbers was better his rookie year than LeBron's. But I don't, I, I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm a Cooper Flag fan. I, I, I, I like him I like everything about him. He's been thrust into a situation, but, man, do y'.

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[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know. A lot of people don't remember when Luca first came into the league, bro, he probably was about 20 pounds, slimmer, you know what I mean? He used to go through that lane and dump that ball, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

He, He, He.

[Uncle Ocho]

He a hell of a shooter, a hell of a score. Obviously, he understands angles. He has a high IQ for the game. But you can't take. You can't take that for granted, man. He ain't like. Ain't like he's 6, 2, 63 out here. Now.

[Joe]

Let me ask you a question. If I take Cooper Flag and I take. And I take Cooper Flag and I put him on that Dallas team and I remove Luca, can he do what Luca did with. Doing to the cliffs? No, no, with. With Kawhi PG and all those defenders? See, I. I think sometimes people, you lose sight of just how great Luca is. And I get it. He's not. He's not the. And most of the time, guys, because I think when we get guys that can score a bunch of points, you get a guy like a Kobe, you get Jordan, you get LeBron that's averaging 27, 28, and you like, man, look at. They lock it down on both ends more times than not. Guys that could score a lot of points didn't play great defense, right? It takes too much out of you to, To. Okay, I'm gonna go give you this work on one end. All of a sudden, I'm gonna sit in the chair and try to do what I do for 30, 36 to 40 minutes.

[Uncle Ocho]

He wasn't. He wasn't known for being a defensive player. Coming up, Luca coming into the league like he never was known to be a stop.

[Joe]

What European player is known for defense?

[Uncle Ocho]

There you go.

[Joe]

They might block some shots. AKA AK47. Andre Korolinko would block some shots, but he wasn't sitting in a damn chair. I mean, to sit in that chair, you, You. You take. You take it for granted. But look, I'm not saying Cooper Flag. Like I said, I saw Cooper flag and I saw him coming out of Maine. But what I was impressed was when I saw them joker scrimmage against the men's national team that was taking their ass to Paris and try to get that gold medal and what he was doing to those guys, I said, oh, yeah, he have no problem.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Joe]

That's. That's 12 or however many players we seen over there. That's what we. That's our best we got.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's a.

[Joe]

That's Bam. That's Bam. That's ad. He giv work.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he's a. Oh, yeah, he g. Yeah, he adjusted. Well, he. He probably. He got off to a rocky start to start his rookie year, but. You talking about the second half of this season. Yeah, he's picked it up tremendously.

[Brian]

He been balling.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he's been everything. He's been everything they imagine. Yeah.

[Joe]

But he had to grow up.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Because like you said, he tired of losing. And I ain't losing. No, I ain't losing. High school ain't losing but a handful of games in college, and here we go. I'd have lost more games on a damn week than I lost my whole college career. Man. Losing suck, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, the NBA, different, bro. It's a reality.

[Joe]

And you can think about it. Even you can win. Think about this. I mean, going 62 and 20. 20 damn games. These guys. Some of these guys lose more games than in. In.

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[Joe]

In an NBA season. Then they lost all the high school

[Uncle Ocho]

and all the college.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you don't know how a guy gonna be able to deal with that, Uncle Ocho, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

That.

[Uncle Ocho]

That. That losing can break you, bro. It'll make you. It'll make you lose sight of where you at, how you got to where you at. You know what I mean? Like, imagine. Imagine being on a team, bro, and y' all only win eight, nine games out of 82, man. You gonna. You might lose a little bit of your swag. You know what I mean? Come and tell you. I know I always bring this up, talking about when I first came here to Atlanta, we only won 29 games, man. It's hard to enjoy outside the outside of basketball. You can't. You don't want to go nowhere. You don't want to see nobody. You don't want to hang out. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

That's. Hey, that's tough. Yeah. Excellent. Because guess what? Guess what happened when they see you. Hell, if you was home. That's why y' all win more games. Yes. We're not in the club. Hey, that's what you get. I didn't. I didn't go out that much. I mean, we were losing. Like, that's why y' all losing. Hell. Oh, y' all in here. I'm like, well, damn, man. Hey, we ain't supposed to have no life. I said, you know what? I said, you know what you're Right. Let me stay my living. We lose. Let me stay my black ass hole. Let me take my ass off. We. We lose the draw, Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

Right. I swear, boy. Hey, go ahead.

[Joe]

Oh, what you want to say?

[Brian]

Not shoot. Hey, I only had one winning season. 11 years.

[Uncle Ocho]

Damn.

[Brian]

I ain't had no guy. Hey, I ain't had no choice, Joe.

[Joe]

So you going out regardless?

[Brian]

Hey, I got. No, no, I didn't really go nowhere. I'm just. I'm just saying, you know, I show my face, but I didn't allow it to affect me.

[Uncle Ocho]

And.

[Brian]

And what I had.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm saying, was it something to do in Cincinnati? Oo, it's something to do in.

[Brian]

Yeah, but Cincinnati, one of the greatest cities of all time in comparison to Atlanta. Not Atlanta. And in Houston.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. You saying it can compete with Atlanta and Houston?

[Joe]

Yes. No, that's not what he's saying, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

He lying, ain't it? She don't like me.

[Joe]

Yeah, you can't say lying, telling the story.

[Brian]

Hey, Joe, listen to him.

[Joe]

No, it's not.

[Brian]

Hey, Joe. Joe. It's a hidden gem that most people don't know about unless you. Unless you. You from there or you play there. You wouldn't understand.

[Joe]

ISO speed say he from Cincinnati. And say the women terrible. Now, that's what he's saying. He from there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all excuse me for a minute.

[Joe]

You go against you. You see? No. Nobody.

[Uncle Ocho]

My glass. You see my glass. I know y' all probably ain't got nothing in front of y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Ocho]

Uncle look like he on the road somewhere.

[Joe]

Yeah, I'm on the road. I'm on the road, but I'll be back. I'll be back soon. I'll be. Hey, I'll be. I'll be in the.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, your girl. Your girl, she seen my lady at the gym and.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Shelly and she. Yeah, make sure Joe get these glasses. And I said, it's what. What better time for me to put on my toasty. I know y' all ain't got nothing

[Brian]

going on, but what you. What you drinking, Joe?

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, Joe, let me tell you how you do take it. Hey, get you some. I put. Put some ginger ale in there. I don't know if you've ever had it with ginger ale.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe]

It's real nice, Joe.

[Brian]

Hey, you know, we only to use ginger ale when we sick.

[Joe]

My grandma said get some ginger ale. Really? You do know I'm, like, running 104 fever, you know? Yeah, she got everything going on. Hey, but you know, the Mo people, you get sick, you just need to go boo boo. What Boo Boo got to do with me sick and my stomach ain't hurt. Go boo boo. What is that gr. Yeah, okay, Brian or Joe, let me know. And, oh, let me know what you think about this. Brian Winhorst said he would take Ant man over KD for the playoffs. And it's not close to. We're not talking historically. We're talking for the 20, 26 playoffs. I think Ant Man, I don't even think it's a debate. Durant has won one playoff series since he left Golden State. Ant man has won four series in the last two years.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe boy, that's the. That's a good argument. Okay?

[Joe]

And it's closer than you think. And like he said, we're not talking about historically, we're talking about right now. He says Kevin Durant has won one playoff series.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, one I like. And I. I'm. Hey, listen, man, I love both of those guys. Game. I think the way Ant man competes, you know, he let it be known. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm out here to kick LeBron ass. I'm out here to kick KD ass. I'm out here. I'm going at these boys. Y' all hear what he told Obama?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Telling my. Y' all better. Y' all better watch out. Yeah, I'm. I'm a bad boy. Huh?

[Joe]

Man, you got.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, you. You gotta love that, bro. You gotta love it. And not only that, he goes out there and backs it up. He plays hard defensively, he guards, and then he can take over a game. I. I can see with Brian, I can see where he's at on this.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's not as far fetched as people think. I think the thing is that people look at it historically and they look at the time of Kevin Durant at Golden State, and KD is a bad boy. Don't get me wrong. But until there's this perception, be it true or imagine, that KD in the postseason hasn't enjoyed a level of success outside of Golden State, be it true or imagined, but the facts line up.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think he got.

[Joe]

He got. Remember, he got swept his last. He got swept in. In. In the Nets. The Nets got swept by Boston. Yeah, he got. He got swept in Phoenix.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Brian]

Hey, look what he was playing with, though. That's not even.

[Joe]

See. Does you see what did.

[Brian]

When.

[Joe]

Did they ever say that about LeBron? Do they ever say, look what LeBron was playing with? Yo, what they say?

[Brian]

Well, we. We talk. We talk about we talk about. We talk about ANT man and kd.

[Joe]

Yes, but look at what ANT man got.

[Brian]

Wait, look what. What ANT man got.

[Joe]

Yes. You do realize that. That KD got swept with Kyrie? Was Kyrie any good?

[Brian]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

What about Devin Booker? Devin Booker any good? Okay, be careful now, Joe. I'm just asking. I don't know. Joe. Joe, the. The basketball are official, so we got to have somebody that. That's. That's great and everything. You, the soccer guy. That's you, Ocho. Come to soccer. Yeah, Basketball. We go to. Joe. Joe, is Kyrie.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he's some good. Y' all know he's some good.

[Joe]

In Brooklyn, they got swept. Boston swept him. Is Devin Booker.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes, sir. We talking all NBA players. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I think.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think. I think the most disheartening thing when it comes to fans and people who speak on the game of basketball, especially.

[Joe]

No, stop it. No, I'm not. I'm still going. I'm gonna finish your point, but I just saw something.

[Uncle Ocho]

Dealing with Katie. Dealing with Katie is that. Yeah, they lost to the warriors, and then he went and joined them.

[Joe]

That's the same thing.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think people have a hard time respecting that.

[Joe]

Although he was up 3:1.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, 3:1. He was up 3:1. You supposed to put them boys away. But although he. He didn't go to the warriors and piggyback, I mean, hell, he still let him. He was the MVP of them two champions.

[Joe]

He was the finals MVP twice. What you mean?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he was. He was the finals mvp. If it wasn't for him, hell, they wouldn't win.

[Joe]

No, he wasn't no passenger.

[Uncle Ocho]

They need.

[Joe]

People need to stop saying that. He was a passenger. Kevin Durant was not no damn passenger.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, I ain't gonna lie. Braun was at his apex then, boy. Hey, listen, that's the only player you probably could have went and got that that was going to get you.

[Joe]

That was the only one. And that's why they wouldn't.

[Uncle Ocho]

Because he was giving him.

[Joe]

There's no way. There's no way. That team, that 739 team, after LeBron walked them down 3 1. They were psychologically done. Kyrie was at his apex. They had no answer. They had no answer for Kyrie. They had no answer for LeBron. It was over. They had to go get a neutralizer, and Kevin Durant was it. Now, y' all said Kyrie was hurt, and J. No, no, no. James Harden was gone. Kyrie was not hurt. When they got swept by the. By the. The.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The Celtics don't do that. Now, Kevin Durant is great. He's historically great, but the facts of the matter is the facts of the matter. It's kind of like y' all have revisionist history and y' all try to run every. Blend everything together. Don't do that. They got swept. Boston swept them. Then he went to. He went to Phoenix. Phoenix,

[Uncle Ocho]

yeah. Just saying.

[Joe]

So it's not as far out of the. It's not out of the. The realm of possibility. I can see why Brian Windhorst said what he said, Man. And you wouldn't be wrong if you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right now.

[Joe]

If you. Excuse me. If you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, right now. It's a lot of people who would take ANT man over KD right now.

[Joe]

Yeah. I just said, you know what, Joe and I could be wrong. And. And I want to. What you let me know what you think. It seems like as a player gets older, even though if he gives you the same numbers that he once gave you, they don't impact the game like he once did. The numbers don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think although kd, he's forever gonna be an efficient scorer. I mean, he makes it look easy, but there was once upon a time where. I ain't saying he was, you know, all defensive player, but, you know, he. He was blocking shots. He. He would play some defense. I mean, hell, he's seven foot. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I just.

[Joe]

Especially Golden State. He was doing a lot of real things.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, he was. I think now, you know, he just got that thing cruise control on offensive, where. You know what? I'm gonna get y' all 25 to 28 a night. You know, I'm getting a few rebounds, few dimes, but for the most part, I mean, at 37 years old, he. He'll bucket still.

[Joe]

Yeah. He still give you 20, 23, 24 points a night. 2025 points a night. And he's still shooting in. In. In the 50s.

[Uncle Ocho]

He just need. So you need them young. He need them young bucks to do

[Joe]

the bulk of the.

[Uncle Ocho]

The heavy lifting. Meaning defensively, you know, rebounding.

[Joe]

I mean, that. I mean, his thing. His thing was. And he goes in state. He was a tremendous help defender. Like you said he was seven foot tall. I mean, what seven foot do, you know, be sitting in a chair and he's not. He's not. Elijah one. That's not what. He's not a David. I mean, you know, he's not that type of defender.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's just not.

[Joe]

But he did what they asked him to do. He did very well.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he did.

[Joe]

But this notion that Kevin Durant. Oh, he went to Golden State and kicked. No, he didn't kick. Hey, had he not gone to Golden State, they not winning no two more championships. They're not winning those back. They're not winning those back to back championships in 17, 18. That ain't happening. And if he doesn't get hurt, they don't win back to back. They win three peat. Yeah, I don't care what people say. Toronto not beating them. Not if kbd healthy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, serious, it's hard when you. Cause offensively, he just had too much firepower. You couldn't double nobody. You just kind of had to live with it because look, I played against them guys in the playoff series when I was in Utah, the Warriors and the first championship run. We played against them in the second round.

[Brian]

Boy, we're getting to it.

[Joe]

Joe, they smoked.

[Uncle Ocho]

What you mean? Like a blunt?

[Joe]

Huh? Man, it was on that pack.

[Uncle Ocho]

They swept they first round series. So they had been waiting 10 days. We won seven games against the Clippers and we won game seven. We had one day of rest and then we had to play the man. They toe off with us. It wasn't nothing we can do with them.

[Joe]

Boy,

[Uncle Ocho]

I know.

[Joe]

Look, I, I just, I. I think once KD a point guard, I think that's what they're missing this year. And guess what? It's going to get harder and harder for these older guys to win championship. Joe, this league is getting young and young and these guys are good.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's why I think these dudes going some way somehow. I don't know how. I think Braun, Katie or Yanis, I don't know how two of them gonna end up on the same team. Two of them gonna end up on the same team. You watch what I tell you.

[Joe]

Yeah. They might need to do that to combat OKC and, and San Antonio.

[Uncle Ocho]

What? Cause OKC ain't going nowhere no time soon, partner.

[Joe]

None. Yeah, zero.