Nightcap Hour 2: Eagles FANS want Jalen Hurts BENCHED? + End of the Chiefs ERA + Michigan FIRES Sherrone Moore

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2 (Dec 11, 2025)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Hosts: Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Featured Guest: Joe Johnson ("ISO Joe", brief mention)
Episode Theme:
A candid and wide-ranging sports and life talk: dissecting the Jalen Hurts controversy among Eagles fans, reflecting on the potential end of the Chiefs dynasty, grappling with Michigan firing coach Sherrone Moore, and tossing in classic tales and playful debates.

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Episode Overview

This unfiltered hour finds NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco tackling heated NFL debates and personal stories. They start with Philadelphia Eagles fans’ impatience with star QB Jalen Hurts’ struggles, then shift to the sobering potential end of the Kansas City Chiefs’ reign, before wrapping with weighty reactions to Michigan’s dismissal of head football coach Sherrone Moore following scandal. Sprinkled throughout are trademark moments of humor, wisdom, and personal reflection.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles Fans Want Jalen Hurts Benched?

• Shannon Sharpe opens with the recent Hurts meltdown: five turnovers, three straight team losses, and growing fan calls for the QB's benching (03:48).

  • He quotes coach Nick Sirianni:
    “I know every time I go out on the field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we have a chance to win the game. That’s something that’s been proven.” (03:57)

• Ochocinco is incredulous to the knee-jerk reactions:

  • “You got a quarterback that’s been to the Super Bowl twice. He just won last year. … Now things aren’t going well, you ready to jump ship?” (04:36)
  • Argues that switching QBs is delusional—fans are spoiled by outliers (Patriots, Chiefs) who made winning look normal.
  • The duo emphasizes:
    • “The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.” (Sharpe, 07:37)

• Cultural context:
  Philly fans’ intensity is acknowledged, but the hosts urge perspective and patience—winning consistently in the NFL is “hard as hell,” not the norm.

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2. NFL Realities: The Challenge of Sustained Success & Relatability

• Sharpe lists painful reminders:
  “You go to the Super Bowl, you win, and now fans act like y’all just been winning forever. Bro, it’s hard to win in this league.” (05:24)

• Ochocinco notes that:

  • Teams play tougher schedules after winning, compounding the difficulty of repeating (06:33).
  • Football’s ups and downs are like relationships—disagreements happen, and perfection isn’t real. The dialogue slides into comedic banter about arguments, relationships, and “seasoning” to keep things interesting (08:46–15:19).
  • [Memorable moment:]
    “A little argument, a little debate. That ain’t nothing but seasoning. That’s all it is, you know, a little salt, little pepper, you know, little paprika.” (Chad Ochocinco, 14:53)

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3. Life, Humor, and Sleep Apnea

• The pair roams through jokes about relationships, making up after fights, and Shannon’s sleep apnea:
  • “Let me put my CPAP machine on and go to bed.” (Shannon, 16:36)
  • Ochocinco prescribes dubious nutrition tips (avocado), which Sharpe summarily rejects.
  • The banter detours into wild talk of eating Rocky Mountain oysters and animal hunting, with both displaying mock bravado about rural prowess and weapon know-how (19:21–26:31).

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4. End of the Chiefs Era? Travis Kelce’s Candid Reflection

• With the once-dominant Chiefs at risk of missing the playoffs, Sharpe reads Travis Kelce’s candid words about the struggle (31:55):

  • “This year, I just can’t find [the answers] … I keep thinking if I show up to work … [like] years past … and it’s all come together and this year, it just not. Tough.” (Travis Kelce quoted, 32:00)

• Reflecting on decline:

  • The hosts relate to the anguish of no longer having “it”:
    • “When you closer to the end than the beginning—this might be the end.” (Shannon, 33:21)
    • Sharpe and Ochocinco recount the body’s inevitable decline even for greats; Sharpe cites his own later-career struggles to maintain peak performance week to week.
  • “For a great player to give it up—when you great, that’s all you know.” (Shannon, 38:23)

• Memorable Anecdote:

  • Sharpe describes eventually being covered by lesser defenders:
    “I’m used to getting your best corner… now they just got some guy… Who is this? … That’s all the respect they got for me now.” (39:07–39:32)

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5. Michigan Fires Coach Sherrone Moore

• The show pivots to the bombshell news of Sherrone Moore’s firing following an internal probe revealing a staffer relationship (45:12).

  • Sharpe details Moore’s rise and abrupt fall.
  • Ochocinco reflects soberly:
    • “At some point, when we in positions of power, you almost somewhat feel invincible. … And every time a situation like this does happen, it always gets out. … It’s sad that it’s come to this.” (46:58–48:06)

• Sharpe draws parallels to other coaching scandals (Udoka, Mel Tucker, Petrino), shares personal empathy from having gone through public turmoil:

  • “All your everything. All everything that you worked your entire life for… you feel it like it’s crumbling right before your eyes. Gone.” (50:06)
  • “Night has a thousand eyes—on most nights it has a thousand and two, because somebody sees you.”
    (A college professor’s quote, 51:30)

• Emotional Note:

  • Shannon recounts the loneliness of scandal, grateful for the family members who kept him afloat (54:03–55:47):

    • “I just remember my brother calling me every day… The hardest thing was when Bucket called him crying… now I broke down… I said there are better days on the horizon, we just got to weather the storm.” (54:07–55:06)

  • Philosophical takeaway:

    • “Everybody, they either entering the storm, they’re in the storm, or they’re coming out of the storm… Only three phases.” (55:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------------|-------| | 03:57 | Sharpe (quoting Sirianni) | “I know every time I go out on the field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we have a chance to win the game. That’s something that’s been proven.” | | 04:36 | Ochocinco | “You got a quarterback that’s been to the super bowl twice… Now things aren’t going well, you ready to jump ship?” | | 07:37 | Sharpe | “The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.” | | 14:53 | Ochocinco | “A little argument, a little debate. That ain’t nothing but seasoning. That’s all it is, you know, a little salt, little pepper, you know, little paprika.” | | 32:00 | Sharpe (Reading Kelse) | “I keep thinking if I show up to work … and it's all come together and this year, it just not. Tough.” | | 38:23 | Sharpe | “It’s harder for a great player to give it up because when you great, that’s all, you know.” | | 39:32 | Sharpe | “I used to get double and triple team. I don’t even know this dude guarding me...” | | 46:58 | Ochocinco | “At some point, when we in positions of power, you almost somewhat feel invincible...” | | 50:06 | Sharpe | “All everything that you worked your entire life for… you feel it like it’s crumbling right before your eyes.” | | 51:30 | Sharpe (professor’s quote) | “Night has a thousand eyes—on most nights it has a thousand and two, because somebody sees you.” | | 55:17 | Sharpe | “Everybody, they either entering the storm, they're in the storm, or they're coming out of the storm. Only three phases.” |

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Final Q&A and Lighter Notes

• Top Frank Sinatra songs:
  • Ochocinco: "My Way," "My Funny Valentine," "New York, New York" (57:19–58:21)
• NBA Q&A:
  • Top five ISO players: MJ, Kobe, KD, Penny Hardaway, James Harden, Allen Iverson (60:03–61:58)
  • Various playful sports hypotheticals and listener shout-outs

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Tone and Language

• Authentic, unfiltered, brotherly: Shannon and Chad oscillate between sports emotion, street wisdom, philosophical rumination, raunchy humor, and playful ribbing.
• Mix of sports insight and real-life lessons: They bring gravitas and vulnerability to the realities of fame, aging, and personal mistake—while never losing camaraderie or punchlines.

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Key Timestamps

• Eagles Fans/Hurts Discussion: 03:48–07:58
• NFL Culture & Relationships: 08:46–15:05
• Chiefs Decline/Kelce Quote: 31:55–40:06
• Michigan Fires Moore: 45:12–55:47
• Q&A (Sinatra, NBA, listener questions): 57:05–65:04

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For listeners seeking both NFL heat checks and hard-won life wisdom—plus plenty of classic banter—this episode delivers the real, from locker room to living room.

Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S odoo.com Jalen Hurts had five turnovers on Monday and the last the last came in overtime to lose the team's third straight game. Booze were also heard during the team's Black Friday home loss to the Bears. And it doesn't take long for discontent among football fans to move to the Cause to make a quarterback change. A change in Philly would involve moving Tanner McKee or Sam Howell into the starting lineup, but Nick Sariati made it clear this morning that's not something that entertained by the team. I think that's ridiculous. I know every time I go out on the field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we have a chance to win the game. That's something that's been proven. We won a lot, a lot of football games. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's a bunch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a bunch of. You see how they turn you started to change, turn on the man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see how they play games. Things not going well. You gotta. You got a quarterback that's been to the super bowl twice. He's been twice and he's won one. He just won last year. It ain't even been six, seven months. Huh? It ain't even six, seven months since he won his last Super Bowl. Now things aren't going well. You ready to jump ship? You ready to jump ship till about change it to another quarterback that is nowhere near as talented and gifted as when you got right now and think things are going to change because you switch quarterbacks. Like come on now, come on now, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I know is those same fans that Was booing, called Cam crazy, called Cam to everything, but a child of God wouldn't say. When Cam said what he said earlier this year. You remember, Ocho, how they jumped on it with both feet?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They was on top of him. Hey, listen, pulling this hair, everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know. Philly fans, they. Hey, they don't play. Look, they don't want to. They got a Super bowl and I get it. Philly fans, they're hardcore. They love their Eagles, blah, blah. I get all that, bro. Y' all better enjoy this. Yeah, y' all make it seem like y' all just been winning forever.

I mean, yeah, you went to the soup, y' all went to the play. You went to the Super Bowl 80, Wander Warskin. You got beat by the Wild Card Raiders, and you went again with Donovan, and then you got beat by the Eagles. You went back with Nick Foles and you won. You went back with Jalen. You lost. You go back again and you win, bro. It's hard to win in this league. See, what has happened, Ultra. You know what has happened. The Patriots and the Chiefs got people thinking. Winning every year, winning the division every year, going to the playoffs and going to super bowl, that's. That's easy ain't easy at all.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They made it look easy now. Yes, they did do. They made it look easy. So they're thinking it's possible for everyone else to do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Coming off a Super bowl win, man, the chance of you actually repeating is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Extremely hard because you played at the toughest schedule. Every year you get division winners. Every year.

You already played your division, you get. Now you're going to play your division winners, and now you're going to play another division. So this year, they played the AFC west.

The Chargers, the Broncos, the Raiders, and. And the Chiefs. Next year, who knows, it might be the south, right? It might be the North. You might have to play, you know, the Steelers. Well, that was. That. That might have been la. That might have been two years ago, they played the Steelers or something. But anyway, you gonna have to play another. No, bro. I mean, for them to even suggest such foolishness.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know, that's how I start, though, now. Yeah, it's coming from somewhere. The call and the knock always come from inside the house. Always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Man, Ocho, they better sit down and enjoy this. Yeah, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The devil you know is better than the one you don't. Oh, that's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You keep on. I mean, look, I get it. You see hey, you see Josh Allen, and you see Mahomes, you see Matthew Stafford, and. Oh, I. That's what I want. I want that. I want that. I want that. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you said what? You said the devil. The devil you know is better than the one you don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, that's a good one. Now, I'm gonna use that in my next argument.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, why you getting the argument? You'll be looking to argue.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, so I can use your quotes. What else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man? Oh, don't be bringing me your foolishness. He can't help it. He can't help it. I get. Man, look here. Me and Cambodi, we got along great. We had us a great old time. We was talking, laughing about the fire, you know, she was having a good time. She like, yeah, okay. How you doing? Yeah, blah, blah, blah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I need to be able to hit her with these quotes and. And then.

I like to sound like Confucius. You know, at times like that, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be sounding like confusion. Why don't you just be right? Why don't you just do the right thing? Why you got a buck so much?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, sometimes it's always good to go right, but sometimes I like to go left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

Hey, you like to be a little combative.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Keep everything balanced? Joe, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe. Don't you like Pete? I mean, hold on. I saw somebody say they've been in a relationship like. Like 10 years and they really never had an art. Oh, was that. Was that George Clooney? George Clooney said he been married to him and his wife and never had an argument. I hear Taylor. Taylor, excuse me, Kelsey, on his pod say him and Taylor really never had no. Just. That's what I want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, don't you want that a lot? Don't care who tell it, man, don't be believing that stuff, man. They just be saying stuff. You know, the camera there, people gonna see it and, man, everybody. Mama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because sometimes you leave a dish in the sink when you could have put it in the dishwasher. You left something on the floor where you could have put it up in the basket. I get it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard to not have no disagreement.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's. That's. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, zero. I'm talking about zero disagreement.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you know that ain't true. You know that ain't true. And that. No disrespect to them. Like, come on now, you ain't gotta. You ain't gonna pull the wool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got a lot of us.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, you Ain't got a lot of us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all said it ain't possible. It ain't possible to be in a relationship and not argue, not have a disagreement.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A disagreement.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And most disagreements turn to go lead to an argument. Yeah, Verbal altercation. It happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. Because here's the thing, Joe. What happens? Let's just say for this. This how it happens. Okay? You are okay. You right. Oh, you right. Oh, you just don't care. You just said I write just to shut me up. No, you're right. No, I ain't right. What have I been right before? You normally. You normally got something to say. I'm saying you right. I was wrong. Oh, now you wrong. You ain't been wrong before.

So now.

You wrong. You dead wrong. I'm right. Oh, now you right, because I said it. See, I knew you didn't mean it. See, now, what could have just been a fight, disagreement. You're right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got lazy. I put it in the sink when I could have just put it in the dishwasher. You right, babe. You right. Instead of. Instead of taking the trash out of trash can and put it in a big bag and leave it on the floor, I could have just, you know what? Put it in. Put it in the big, black, big bag and take it to the trash can. You right. I'm lazy. You right. I'm lazy. That. That is not like she had them to be lazy. Oh. Oh, you just said that. You don't mean it. I know you don't mean it. I agree with you. I. I could have done that, but I was tired.

[Odoo Announcer]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

See.

So what could have been something easy, and then I just like, okay, you right. Nah, I. I ain't got no fight in me. They. They done rob me. I'm a fight. How did they rob me of the fight? Right.

You. I. I used to debate with the best of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. That. That's me. That's me. That's me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes it ain't worth it, man, to get you get your water boiling like that. It ain't worth it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Tell you, Joe. You know, Joe, if you don't do it often. See, I don't do it often, Joe. I'm not combative. I don't like conflict, Joe. But every so often, every w. Moon is almost like foreplay in a sense. Huh? You setting it up for later. You set the play later. You know, the. The Call the play. Call the play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. You got. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You feel me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hoping that that's the fancy Call on the two point play. That's your best call. That's your best call. For you. That's your best call on show. Because normally your best call. You gotta. You got. Give me your best fourth down play. You got one, you got two. Not the best one. Okay. Your best two point play. Yeah, that was the best two point play. So you know the words you say, I hope Ocho. I really hope. You setting this up. You got something called I really hope it's a bomb burner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I hope he got something playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, Joe. And it started. This starts. It's. You let it marinate throughout the day. Let it marinate throughout the day. Start something, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I don't start. No, no joke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sometimes you got to do it on purpose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking about even if the day going perfect, I'm talking about y' all both having a good day. You're out of nowhere.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, just. Yeah, Joe, just start some. Joe, no, no, he just like. Just pull a hair or something.

Make one of the tracks come out, you know, she got. She got trash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no. We got no track. We got no track over here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay, my bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

I'm just. Me. I just like. Okay, you're right. Just leave it alone.

I just. I just. I'm. I don't. I don't really like. I mean. Cause I. I used to debate for a living, so if I. I don't want to debate. I don't want to come home and debate.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you right. I just want. Hey, I'll say. I said, are you right? Let it go. But if I say let it go, just let it go. Yeah, women ain't gonna. Well, the women that I've dealt with ain't gonna let it go. Yeah. No. Sometimes they can't let it go. Huh? They. They. They try to pull that. That other side up out of you, and then when they come out. Yeah, they looking crazy. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, you like that?

I didn't. I say let it go. I said, babe, let it go. Just let it go. I just let me watch tv. Now you come stand in front of me in the tv.

Okay. I go downstairs. I go to the entertainment room. They coming right down there, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right down with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Oh, that's your problem. You don't know how to communicate. You don't have to. I said, but now it's not a good time. Yeah, I'll talk. I said, look, let me calm down. We'll have this discussion. I want to talk, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, y' all gotta. Hey, hey, Joe. Y'. All. And listen, when you eat your food right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta add seasoning. You got to add some type of flavor. Hey, listen, a little argument, a little debate. That ain't nothing but seasoning. That's all it is, you know, a little salt, little pepper, you know, little paprika.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't too much. No, look, you know, sometimes you get chicken, add your little lemon pepper to it. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Barbecue sauce to it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's all it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you add a little affection after all that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so you. You. You a sex after argument type of guy? Me? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, for the right price.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, price. Would you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you. Oh, you don't charge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get out of here.

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you ain't living right. Hey, Joe, y' all ain't living right, man, if you on your own, you don't charge.

[Odoo Announcer]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Your lady and this.

[Odoo Announcer]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In this economy, boy, ain't nothing, ain't nothing free. What? Yo, she got, Joe. She got the pay. Joe, I ain't. Boy, I ain't playing. Mike. Boy, I kid you not, but don't be no fool now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you make her mad and she gotta pay you to get happy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You ain't getting what? Dick. My bad. Excuse me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't nothing free.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, you running. Hey, you running a hell of a ship over there, ain't your boy?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I mean, I will, but I just, like. Look, I just want. You know what I'm saying. You were charged. Huh? Huh? You say you were charged? No, no, no, no, no. I mean, after an argument, I will have sex. I will.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just, like. I don't. I don't. Cause, you know.

Just let me go to sleep. Let me put my. Let me put my CPAP machine on and go to bed. My CPAP machine.

I have sleep apnea, so. Which means I stop breathing throughout the course of the night, so it's. It shoots.

Condensed air up your nostrils.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, right, right. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it helps the palate relax.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I can. I can fix that. Just a little diet, a little nutrition to fix that, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah.

What you mean? Ojo? What you got?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, for. For sleep apnea. How you say it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sleep apnea? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get you. Get you some avocado, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate avocado. You do? See, you ain't really got no taste, though. That's why. I don't understand why. And that is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, you in Cali. Joe would you like some avocado, too? I didn't ask for that. I just said, they get a breakfast sandwich. I said nothing about. I said, let me get some eggs and some bake. I ain't mention nothing about no avocado toast. I don't want no avocado on no McMuffin. I don't want no avocado on no bagel. I don't want none of that. Well, I t some avocado. Oh, you like avocado? What, with little salt and pepper, man? Nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it a got no taste.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all eat oysters? No. Hey, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Why.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why eat oysters? I don't eat no oysters.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't eat oysters, man. Yeah, yeah, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you. You eat Rocky Mountain oysters, too, though, right, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Rocky Mountain. I ain't never been Rocky Mountains. Ain't that in Colorado.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it is, but that ain't. That ain't. That ain't what. That ain't what they. That ain't what you eating, though.

Hog testicles.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no, I ain't never did that, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, hey, that's what. Uncle. Uncle Ocho enjoy Adventures. We own it. Yeah, we own it. Hey, Joe, bring your cripple ass on. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So that's like. That's like we on some fear factor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, it's Unc and Ocho Adventures featuring Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But we supposed to have adventures. Not. Not a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta eat stuff. That's an adventure.

You eating goat eyes. Hog eyes. Ears. Yes. You eat all that stuff.

Yeah, we gonna go boat, we gonna go Paris paragliding, and we gonna go skydiving.

Hold on. I know you ain't doing no paragraph. I know you ain't doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I thought we was going to kill stuff, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This already dead. You ain't got to kill it. Just eat it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Listen. If we gonna do it right, let's do it where we kill it and then eat it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

No, I'm gonna put you on the farm. I'm gonna have you. I would have you catch the hog. Because they have to castrate because you know they got too many. You don't. Can't have too many male hogs, so you have to castrate them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I got him. I got him. I got him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can hold. You gotta hold. You gotta hold the legs now, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'mma hold his leg. I got him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, like this. Oh, you gotta have his hind leg.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I got him. And then what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I do?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What I do to him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sorry, Chad. I'm sorry, neighbors.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What I got to do to him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta hold him. Yeah, the. The, the guy, the foreman on the farm, he gonna come and take his testicles out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I could do that. I don't need no help.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't do that.

Because you gotta make. You got to make sure you have both of them because if you don't take one, they'll go. But want to go back in there, he'll still be able to impregnate. And you don't want that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ah. Okay, okay, okay. I'm ready. I'm ready. Hey, we got, we gonna go deer hunting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not going with you nowhere with no gun. I might, I might do some bow hunting with arrow. I ain't doing nothing with no crossbow. You not been the dick chaining me. You not been to shoot me in my ass.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't gonna shoot you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you're not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna be in a different area, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no different area.

You don't even know how to carry a gun.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got my, I got my cdls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, CDL is a trucker license.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I mean, you know, I'm trying to save my license.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Conceal permit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what I'm talking about. I knew it started with a C.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want you, I don't want you too far away from me. I need to keep you in eyesight. I need to be able to see where you at and what you, you know, I mean, not for real. For real. I need it. I need to keep a good eye on you, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's what I do. Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I used to be in the field. I said like, you know, I don't want to bring him a pad joke, but you know, I used to be be out there in the field, Joe. I know how to work that thing, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out there in Florida, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe.

Come on, Joe, man, you know this man. It's me, man. I'm at the city. Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, he ain't never been hunt before in his life, Joe. He ain't never shot nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I've been hunting. I. I've been hunting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might have done some two legged hunting, but you ain't with no phone, okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, and you've been, you've been fox hunting, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I hunted every, in every field, in every aspect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I ain't trusty. I. Like I said, you got, you Got to show me. I gotta see. I gotta see. You go to the range and I gotta see how you hold a gun. I gotta see all of that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, well, I'm like. Well, I'm like King V with the. With the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't go hunt with no pistol, bro. You take a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You take a. A gay. You take a shotgun or you take a high caliber rifle, you take a.30, all six, you take a.30, 30, you take a.223, you take.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got a Draco, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't what you go hunt with. You a ninja with a Draco.

We ain't hunting them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready, man. That's what I do, though. You know, I can adapt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We go. We go hunt. We go hunt pigs. We go to. We go to some place in Texas. They got places. They got those feral pigs that. We go hunt pigs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay. Hey, when I. When I draw that thing up, well, I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why. Oh, yo, you shooting a shotgun or you shooting a high caliber rifle? You. You not shooting no pistol, so you ain't gonna hold nothing like that, okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that. Recall that gun. Go kick back and kick him in his eye.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, it's gonna be right. Hey, Uncle's gonna be right here on my shoulder, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But here's the thing. If you got. If you got a high caliber rifle with a scope on it, in the recoil, the scope will come back and hit you dead in your eye. If you don't know how to hold. If you don't hold it firm enough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho, I know how to do this, man. I'm telling you, man, I'm. Hey, with that piece. With that piece, I'm like that, man. I'm good. I'm telling you. I just don't want to talk about my past like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You never shot an animal.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I don't shot. I didn't shot squirrels, raccoons.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you shooting with? What you were shooting? Pelagon. You shooting Pelagon?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm. Nah, John, I love ar, you know?

Yeah, because they used to take. They. Hey, they listen. Hey, Hopefully.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hopefully, you shooting squirrel with a.22. That's what I hope you use so there would be some meat left.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We not eating it. We in the city, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, where I'm from, you got to make a statement. You got to let the squirrels know. You gotta let the possums know if they see one of their homies get it. They know and understand, okay? This ain't the house to be playing with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. That ain't how it works. You realize how. How squirrels are?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Squirrels are. Squirrel. Squirrels are animals that if one. If one vacates the area, others come in. That's how they operate. So that's why. Unless you like when you have animals in your house, like you have squirrels, that's why you have to remove them and board up where they came in at. Because once they leave, if you get those out and you don't fix that area in which they came in, more going to come right back in there. Yeah. Now, I ain't telling what somebody tell you. I'm telling what I know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you get rid of. Oh, they saw what I did to his homeboy. They ain't gonna come back. They don't. It don't work like that. They don't give a damn what you. They glad you did that to their homeboy. So now they got a good place where they can go rest and put acorn and put. And put food in. In your walls.

Especially if they got. If they got babies. They about to have babies. Oh, they coming. I'm telling you, man, look here. I thought that I had the Olympics. I had the squirrel Olympics at my house.

They were getting down. What? Joe, at night when I try to go to sleep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like a disco. I said, oh, man, I think they trapped. I think they trapped like they scratch. They travel like 14.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See that. Hey, that's. That's. See, they ain't respect y', all, man. Girls right there in the city, they. They respected me, man. I ain't playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't how it worked. We. Hey, look, we can go. We. Hey, we can go catch. We can go catch alligator turtles. We can go noodling. Oh, Joe, you have been noodling. Nah. What's noodling, Noodle, is when you go catch those big catfish, but you have to stick your hand in a hole. Okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like. And they. And they grab your hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You pull them out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, I like that. Now, that's fun. That's fun. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you might. Hey, it might be an alley. It might be an alligator. Snapping turtle. You got to be careful. You might. It might be a moccasin.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you know what I'm saying, Joe? You know what I'm saying, Joe? You know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, ready?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, Ocho just talking. He ain't gonna stick his hand.

You ever been frogging? Yeah, man. You ain't never caught. No. You ain't never caught no frog joke. That joke ain't never been at no night catching bullfrogs. You talking about? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Just because y' all got them, that don't mean you go catch them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you think we did as kids, huh? I caught my. Caught bullfrogs in legit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You be out there catching them iguanas, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man, we don't really bother iguanas, though. You know, they. They be in the street, they be chilling. I don't really bother iguana, but bullfrog. As a kid, I used to get. I used to catch bullfrogs and I used to dissect them in class, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, class, but. And we go and we gonna eat, and we gonna eat the legs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't have frog legs on chocolate cover. Frog legs. When I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had frog legs before.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, when I was in India. Tastes like chicken.

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready for this. Boy, I can't wait, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, you always talk about you. You really can't wait for something. You ain't gonna do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sorry. Because I just want. I just. I just want us. We gotta hang together like we family, man. It's gonna be fun, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I said, ojo, you got the shot. I don't know about Joe. I. I don't really trust you like that. Cause I'm gonna tell you something about guns. Them things ain't nothing to play with, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How you gonna tell me you know where I'm from?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know where you're from. I know you ain't never handle no shotgun or no high powered rifle. That's what I do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I grew up. I grew up in the war zone, man. I had. I had to protect myself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't shooting shotguns, and they're not shooting high caliber rifles. They're not. Oh, no, no, no. They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They shooting high caliber. Now, come on now.

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, I would take your word for it, but you got to show Joe. I'll let Joe go. You go with Joe first. And if y' all come back, I'll go next.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'll show you my footage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I go.

[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The Chief could be officially eliminated from the playoff contentions in Week 15, and Travis Kelsey said the situation is a tough reality for the 6 and 17 to be in. Neither Kelsey nor the Chiefs have missed the playoffs since 2015. During the latest episode of New Heights, Trav said, I feel like I've always had answers in years past and this year I just can't find them. I keep thinking if I show up to work and put in the work and fix the issue through my practice habit, through perfecting the game plan and my fundamentals is what I've been taught and to go out there and try to play my ass off of the guys next to me and it's all come together like his years past in this year. It just not tough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, stuff it happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's coming to an end. Yep. Yeah, he knows it. Everybody knows it. And the thing is, is that, is that when you, you. It happens a lot. Ocho, you can take the. Joe, when you start to press, you're not playing like you want to play. It's late in the ball game and you want to make every play, you want to take every play to the house. And so in order to do that, you got to like, sometimes you got to like, do this. You see what I'm saying? You see my eye ain't on the ball, Joe. Yeah, because I'm trying to get going. I'm trying to get going. And ball on the ground. And he had a situation.

Mahomes put a little behind him. He dropped that one. He threw another one, what we call a sail rock and that one popped up in there. It was all on his head.

Taking it off and picked it. So it, it's frustrating because, you know, you closer to the the end than the beginning and this might be the end.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And it sucks. It sucks for Traverse. I think he came back, you know, contemplating retirement last year, but he didn't want to finish his his career off that way. He came back this year hoping things would be different. And just as as a team, it just hasn't gone well at all. And most of the time, one of the things that really hurt and really bothers bothers you as a competitor, did you put the work in during the week. You put the same hours doing the same formula what you did in the past and the end result was the super bowl. And now you're doing the same thing and things just aren't going well. The ball's not falling your way. The calls you normally get from the refs, they're not going your way this time. You just are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Reality.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And that's. And that's the hardest. That's the hardest part, coming to grips with that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because like I said, my thing was Joe and Ocho. I could go out there, like, there'll be a game, I go get you. 130.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two touchdowns. Next game gonna be 30 yards. Next game will be 40 yards. I couldn't do it back to back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I was in my, like year. 6, 7, 8, 150, 161, 130, 99 and two tubs.

Couldn'T do it anymore. Yeah. I can still have a big game. You go, I think my last year, my last year, second to the last game, I go sell them for 101. Three touchdowns, offensive player of the week.

But in between that, I just couldn't. Just couldn't, you know, play. Play who we play. Said we played the Chargers. Always had a good game against the Chargers. So week before the bye week, Chargers 13, 153, three touchdowns, offensive player of the week. Come out to buy week, get the Ravens nine for a buck 61.

You know, I'm cooking like. I'm cooking like that guy. I'm cooking like, hey, yeah, I'm white hot. You know what I'm saying? You see? Oh, I don't touch that. Yeah, I'm like that. I'm killing everybody.

Man. As you start to get older.

It'S tough. And you. I'm sore, right? It's taking me longer. Whereas before I, I could, I could, I could play. I could play on a Sunday. And I felt like my first couple years. Don't you like that Sunday, like that Sunday Thursday game? Man, that ain't nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nothing at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, nothing. Joe.

What year? Cell, man?

Year 10.

When is the bye week? I'm not looking for the buy, Jo.

It's hard to back to back that thing like that, man.

It's.

It's just, it's just, it is tough on him because we've seen a guy, you can make the case. And I can. And I do. I think. You do. I think, look, I think it's between him and Gronk, but I think when, when you go look at the playoffs and you talk about a guy that has as as many yards, as many touchdowns as Jerry Rice, and we know how we all hold Jerry Rice in very high regard, you look at his numbers in the playoffs and they're Right there. And what he's done in big moments, he's always been. Especially in a playoff. Excuse me, in playoff games, Travis.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Been that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And it's hard when you can't be that anymore.

G. Isn't it funny how time just slips on the way.

Happened to us all.

Happens to us all.

And. And like he said, he used to be able to fix that, Joe. Yeah. He used to go, hey, oh, this is what I did wrong. You know what? Instead of. Instead of trying to rip, I probably should have did arm over. Instead of arm over, I should have ripped.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Instead of any of that, I probably should have collided him, knock him off balance, break away from him. You know what? Maybe I need to drop my hips a little more. Maybe I need to sell it a little more.

But after. I mean, after a while, you see a guy in a movie long enough, you already know what type of movie you gonna do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good one. It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's. It's. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough on. Came with Joe because we. I mean, as a competitor, I mean, obviously, you know, the way the season ended for him last year in the super bowl, you know, he. He couldn't retire like that, so he had to come back. You know what I mean? So. Yes. When do you say or when do you feel like or even think that, man, I should just probably go and give it up. It's. It's hard to do that. It is. Because.

It'S harder for a great player to give it up because when you great, that's all, you know? Yeah. And it's hard for you to be anything but great. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But one thing about it, Joe, and all that film won't lie to you that, you know, you might think you great, but the eye in the sky does not lie. And you can look like a shell of yourself. And watching. And in watching yourself, your body language, your mannerisms, it'll let you know. Yeah, I just ain't got it no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Getting out the blocks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I'm always one step behind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

I mean, and then, you know, you looking at guys. I'm looking at guys that starting to guard. They start let anybody guard me. I'm like, y' all don't got no more respect than that for me.

I'm like, who are you? Where you come from?

Oh, oh, I'm offend, Joe. I'm offended. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

I'm like, you're the. I've used to get. Hold on. I'm used to getting your best corner. I get number one on third down. Now, they just got some guy.

Yeah. Oh, my goodness. I'm used. I'm used to getting double and triple team. I don't even know this dude guarding me. Who is this? Yes, that's what they got. That's. That's all the respect they got for me. Now.

Y' all ain't got no. Y' all ain't playing no boxing one. Y'. All. Hey, y'.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all ain't playing zone, but got a man traveling me everywhere I go. That's what I used to get, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah, they playing zone, but I got a guy going me. And I gotta read it like, hold on, man. Why you stop? I said that's a zone. But, yeah, you got a guy tailing you.

Oh, my goodness. And now they just got some Joe Smo out there. Hey, because that's back when you had them batteries in your leg. You ain't got them batteries no more, man. Look here.

That's. Hey, start. Stop. Hey, that. Hey, the Zara Rod that Henzy that. Ah.

Hey, hey. Oh, you. You drive a stick. You like that stick.

Getting on that clutch too hard. That was me. That's. I was starting to stop it.

Hey, run through contact. Oh, hey, I run through contact, man. I start gotten year 13. Year 14. I hit that blinker. Let me get on up out of.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially if it's cold. Yeah.

And you watch guys as they start to get older. Watch how easy they go down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nobody want none of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, Joe, you start looking at. Look at them guys in year 12, you're 13. Watch how quick they pull that turf over the head.

You think they jumping in the bed when it's cold? They get that great. They get that turf up on them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, hey, listen, that's called a business decision.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As you get older, you make more and more of them.

[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Sophie Cunningham]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Ocho and a stunner. Michigan inspired his head coach Sherrod Moore, according to reports by Dan Weissel and Adam Schefter. Pete Bammel added that the fine will be for cause. Michigan athletic director Wardy Manuel said in the statement that Moore was fired after internal investigation revealed credible evidence of an inappropriate relationship with a staff member, which is a violation of university policy. Moore took over the full time job from Jim Harbaugh who left to go to coach the charges in 2024 after the Wolverines won a national championship. Remember, he filled in a couple of games when Harbaugh was suspended. He was the offensive coordinator and he was the interim head coach and that's how he parlayed that into the job. Michigan knew about more situation for a while and internally waited after the signing day period to take action. Action. According to Josh Pate. Pate claims insiders have been expected the job to come open for weeks and now Michigan has likely already engaged in potential candidates. Ocho.

Sharon Moore. It's alleged it's being reported that someone was on the staff.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Elevated to his executive assistant. End up having a relationship with her. If I'm not mistaken, he has a wife. I think he has a couple of kids. Two, three kids.

We saw a situation with. I made Udoka. We saw a situation with Mel Tucker. It's happened.

I think Rick Patino had a situation like that. I think Bobby Petrino had a situation like that.

What are your thoughts, Ojo? I mean then I go to you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, you got to be careful. You got to be mindful. Obviously at, at some point we in, we in positions of power, you almost somewhat feel invincible.

Taking advantage and abusing that power. That said power for those that, that work with you or, or part of an entity that you are part of and you think you're safe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think you say you, you, you take all the right, right steps, you do all the right measures to ensure your safety and that individual does hoping everything they can to, to make sure to protect you and what you guys have going on. But for some reason every time a situation like this does happen where you think nobody could be able to pull back the covers of the layers on what you have going on. It always gets. It always gets out every time because there's so many stories of these type of situations happening. It's, it's. It's sad that it's come to this wife, family embarrassment that they have to deal with. The young lady who's also a part of this, the embarrassment that her and her family are going to have to deal with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It kind of sucks. It sucks. Sucks real bad on both ends for both parties that are involved.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, I don't think there's a. There's a way you can feel safe in a situation like this. Like, it's almost like looking over your shoulder every time. You know what I'm saying? You go to work or you. I mean, at some point, you know, maybe some guys don't get caught, but more times than not, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, it's just. It's a tough situation, bro. You. You gotta have a discipline. You gotta lead by example. You know, you. You lead men, so you want to be an example to them, leading the right way and to have this. It's just unfortunate, bro. I think the thing is, is that.

All the situations that you've heard, you never think a situation like this can happen to you, Even though you're doing what you've heard about now, this is gonna be different. She ain't like that ain't gonna happen. It ain't gonna get out. Don't nobody know but her and I. Blah, blah, blah.

And.

I can imagine.

Six, seven months ago, I went through something very similar. So I can. I know what that storm is like. And, and unless you've been in it.

That's why when people say, this is what I would do, you don't know what you would do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Until you in it. Until you in that pressure cooker, until you in the. The eye of the storm.

Until you in. Until.

You and I have had a conversation. So, you know, I know. You know. I know. I know you know. To be in. To be in that storm and know everybody know.

All your everything. All everything that you work your entire life for.

You feel it like it's crumbling right before your eyes. Gone.

Yeah.

And only people that's going to be there. The only. It's going to be a select few. It's going to be a select few.

That's the hardest part.

I mean, everybody look. It's kind of it. Look, and I understand the situation, but if you, if you're married and you engage in an inappropriate relationship, why would you do that? You Married and see, everybody always say, why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, if you thought she was gonna get called, if you thought something was gonna go wrong, you wouldn't do it, right? The same reason you speed. If you thought you was gonna get caught, you think you would speed. No.

Unless you're a kleptomaniac, you're not gonna steal, you know, klepto just can't help it. But some people don't. You don't shoplift, you don't steal stuff if you think you'll get caught. That's why a lot of people, most robberies happen at win at night. You got the veil of darkness. Because I don't want to get caught. I don't want to be seen the same thing while you creep most times. What would the creeping take place.

Boy? College professor told me, say tonight has a thousand eyes, you know, most likely has a thousand and two because somebody sees you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, I'm writing that down. But that's a good one there, boy.

Damn. Say the knight has a thousand eyes on most night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It has a thousand and two because somebody sees you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know when I'm gonna be able to use that in conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then the other reports that came out that he was arrested and things that, you know, some things escalated.

Dam.

That old hoo ha, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's undefeated. Hello.

Think about Samson and Delilah, David and Bathsheba.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it made a fool of. It made a fool of us all. Though at some point.

In some way, shape, form or fashion.

One of the most powerful things on earth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy.

Well, that's a hell I would. There are some people I have. I don't hate anybody, but there's a few people I really have a strong disliking for. I wouldn't wish what I went through on them.

I wouldn't.

I wouldn't. Boy, it was tough.

Boy. It was some days that all I had was.

Not you, Ojo and Joe.

My family that was there.

Nobody else was there.

All the phone calls people used to call and hey, how you doing? What's up?

I think that was the. Besides that, yeah, it was embarrassing, but I think that was the toughest part.

That people that you thought would always be in your corner, all of a sudden they weren't there.

And.

I just remember my brother calling me every day like, man, tell me a joke. Maybe like, hey, I know you got some story. Tell me what papa used to do in this situation. What would papa say? What would granny say? What would this. He Was always trying to pick me up. He said, nah, bro. He called. He called Shelly. How's he doing today, Shelly? He's like, he ain't doing good. He called my sister called Bucket call.

I think the hardest thing was when Bucket called him crying.

That was really the only time that I broke down because I'd never seen Bucket cry. I saw him cry one time when his brother got killed. We were in college. The only time I had seen Bucket cry. And when he cried and broke down, now I broke down.

Man, I was like, bro, I said, homeboy, we gonna be okay.

We're gonna be okay.

I said, there are better days on the horizon. We just got to weather the storm. Just gotta stand it. Sharon. I can tell you, bro, you got to stand in it.

You got an A. I remember Mary Porter used to always tell us. And I didn't really understand because I'd really never gone through anything. She said, boy, everybody, they either entering the storm, they're in the storm, or they're coming out of the storm. There's only three phases. Everybody's doing something. You in it, you're coming in it. You slap dab in the. Smack it in the middle of it, or you leaving it.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Own it.

Just damn, someday you like, man, am I gonna. Am I gonna wake up? Is this a dream? Am I gonna wake up?

Nah, bro, it's real. That's what Sharon is thinking right now. I guarantee you, like, this is a dream. Is this real? This is really happened.

Just like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Blink of an eye.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just like that. Everything that you worked a lifetime for.

All these bricks that you. Stop that you. That you. What is that, Jenga, where you have to bring. You try to pull one out and don't topple down and, you know.

Start stacking all back over again.

All right, we're gonna get out here on this one. It's our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and a human.

Damn. Oh, your guy. El Pregnade Ocho. Frank Sinatra was one of my top five most listened to artists this year. If you could go back and hang with the rack pack, what would be your top three songs? You're playing for Old blue Eyes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, if I can go back and hang with the Rat pack. Top three songs, probably My way, which is probably my favorite, which is a representation of myself, the way I do things in life.

My funny valentine is another one I really, really like.

I'm trying to think, there's one more, there's one more, there's one more, There's One more that I really, really try. So many to pick from.

Go.

There's so many.

My way. Probably New York.

New York. A theme song. New York.

So it's so many. He just put me on the spot with that one, bro.

That's my three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw. Joe, have you received your nightcap awards yet or that dinner in the eight with up. Yeah, Joe, go get his before you get charged, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I. I told you. I told you. I know. Listen, I know how to get in your house. I ain't tripping, Joe. I know how to get in the house. Joe. I took my. I took my last two while he was on the road.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got them jerseys, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, nah, I'm gonna get. I'm getting them. I'm gonna get them next time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not for you, Ocho. Huh? I think they sent me the bar to you. I think they sent them to.

They're on the way. All right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're on the way.

At. Oh. 513. After watching the game interview on Club Shay Shay, I decided that whenever I mess up and get called out, I'm just saying I was 24. Yeah, you noticed that.

True enough of 73. 41 LaMelo Ball. LaVar Ball UK say basket or ball. Lakers in Cancun. Probably the temporary setback. Temporary setback they got us tonight. 1010, 1367. Please set up the podcast Olympic Challenge. We gonna work on it. We gonna see what we can do. We definitely gonna see what we could do. Mike and Mike, TJ7UN UC. Everyone responded to the Podcast Olympic Challenge is hilarious. I hope y' all do set it up and prove y' all the champs and everything and have the bragging rights over the podcast world, man.

Pappy ray9445, who's your top five all time ISO players? Joe? My top five all time ISO players, ocho. Now I'm going.

Obviously I'm gonna have to go. Mj. Yup. Kobe. Yup.

I'm on Katie.

I'm.

I'm going. Penny Hardaway, man. That was.

Penny Hardaway and Michael Jordan. Two guys out in Kobe. Two guys I watched growing up. And we get what you mean, Joe. Yeah. One man. Three. No, you say the three. The two guys you like walked you up was Penny Hardaway, Jordan and Kobe. That was three guys. But I know what you meant. Three. Yeah, yeah. Three. Three.

Who else? ISO guys. Hey, couple you. You forgetting one of the greatest ISO players ever.

Who you talking about? James Harden. Yeah, I played with James that year he averaged 36.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He averaged 36.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. Listen, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, shout out to James Harden, man. He just. He moved In, I think, 10. He did top 10 in scoring in history. He just moved in 10th place, I think. Yeah, for sure. For sure. James, he. You couldn't stop him. Oo, yeah. You got one more. You can only put one more in there. So you got. AI. You got Mellow. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah. AI Allen Alerson. Okay. Yeah, you're right. I play. Hey, look, I came in. I came in NBA 2001. AI was at the pinnacle, at the peak.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, nothing you can do about it, man. Hey, hey. He came in here. He came in Atlanta one time. My first year here. T. Lou was a. Was a point guard. I don't know what he got against T. Lou, but he gave us. He gave us 55.

He gave us 55. He stayed out to 6 in the morning. They said that I security. So he said, yeah, man. Hey, I stayed out to six in the morning. Y' all gonna be all right tonight. He scored 55 and got kicked out the game. He ain't even finished the fourth quarter.

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Aretha Burton, 83, 46. TMR wants all the smoke up. And Chico, wait. Since y' all scared.

And they don't want none of us, everybody be talking Sheldon Pole. 5,000, 125. Is the Mavs going to trade 80s this year? I mean, I've been reading that. Everybody up for debate, up for trade, except Cooper Flag. Yeah, that's what I've been saying. You can't trade.

Isaiah Lively now. I mean, you can't trade Lively because he just had surgery on his foot. He's out for the season. But I guess Gafford. I guess AD I guess.

Yeah, I heard Kyrie naming that too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So they blowing up the whole spotlight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look like it. Josh R. 2808. Y' all just go fishing and call it a day. Oh, we could go fishing, too. We could do that too. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Why they bumping them?

I know them country, but them country bump because they never been fishing.

At D. Underscore. Team tuned. Ocho, do the Carters have a new wide receiver? One in Michael Wilson. He's been balling with Jacobi Brissette, and we haven't seen Marvin Harrison Jr. Do anything. This. If we keep it in the book, keep all of this ass off that. Number 14 for the. Of the cards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, boy, he right. Cook it. One thing about it all you need is opportunity.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You get that opportunity, you have to make the most of the opportunity. And when you play as well as he's playing, I wouldn't say he's better than Marvin Harrison like that, but he sure is showing out. He's showing up. That ain't nothing but. That's nothing but audition, huh? That's all it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you see what happens. See, I like when, when the backup would come in, he thought, who gonna get open?

That's what he doing here. He ain't got. Oh, with this guy number with this guy with drafted differences. I'm gonna throw it to. I'm gonna throw it to the guy. Joe, that ain't gonna throw it back. Right, right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Michael Wilson cook it Cutting ain't cutting up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He absolutely is.

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Thank you very much. As the San Antonio spurs advance to the semifinals of the NBA cup thanks to a 132119 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers, they will take on the the OKC Thunder. And on the other side, if I'm not mistaken, I think it's the Knicks taking on the Orlando Magic.

That's where they are. That. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. And my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend. Bingo. Ring of fame honoree, a former pro bowler and an all Pro, that is Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And the third member of the Big three joins us every Wednesday night. University of Arkansas alum, Arkansas native, seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks, ISO, Joe Johnson. Appreciate you joining us again, Joe. Yes, sir, thank you. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you for your eyes, ears and your word of mouth. Because none of this at Nightcap is possible without you. So thank you again for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by Laportier and you cannot find it in a city or state near you, head over to laportierconac.com to order you a bottle. It is a premium VSOP Cognac, the smoothest, best tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it though. Compare it, try it against others and you'll see we have the smoothest, best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Check out my media company on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, eighty four. With eighty four being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat again. The San Antonio spurs advanced to the semifinals of the NBA cup thanks to a 132119 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers. They were led by Stefan Castle, 30 points, 10 rebounds and six assists. This is Nightcap. I'm up. He's Ocho. He's ISO. We're back tomorrow after Thursday Night Football. Appreciate that, Joe. See.

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