Nightcap - Hour 2: Eagles' Tush Push Survives + RIP Jim Irsay

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – Nightcap - Hour 2: Eagles' Tush Push Survives + RIP Jim Irsay
Release Date: May 22, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Joe Johnson (“Uncle Ocho”), Chad Ochocinco Johnson

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1. Introduction

The episode kicks off with host Shannon Sharpe and co-hosts Joe Johnson and Chad Ochocinco Johnson delving into current NFL topics, blending sports analysis with engaging banter and listener interactions.

2. The Tush Push Controversy

Timestamp: [25:01] – [26:05]

Shannon and Joe discuss the NFL’s recent ruling on the Tush Push play, highlighting that 22 out of 24 teams voted to ban it, with notable teams like the Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jaguars, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, and Titans opposing the ban.

Shannon Sharpe emphasizes support for the decision:

“I salute you. I salute you. Because at this point, so every time there's a play or there's a situation or there's a scheme that we can't stop in the off season, we're going to go vote against it.”

The conversation centers on the impact of the Tush Push on the game, the need for strategic adaptations, and the sentiment among teams striving to maintain traditional gameplay elements.

3. RIP Jim Irsay

Timestamp: [06:06] – [10:00]

Joe Johnson delivers the unfortunate news of the passing of Jim Irsay, co-owner and president of the Indianapolis Colts, who passed away at 65 years old. The hosts reflect on his contributions to the franchise and the NFL community.

Joe Johnson shares his personal sentiments:

“He led the team since 1997 and presided over the franchise's greatest errors. He was 65 years of age. Earlier today, he posted on X his support for his Indiana Pacers and Herb Simon ahead of their opening game in the Eastern Conference finals. He passed shortly after that.”

Shannon Sharpe offers condolences and praises Irsay’s character:

“I have only met him a handful of times. He always respected the way we play, really loved the way we do. You can tell you study, love that you love the NFL.”

The discussion underscores Irsay’s legacy and the void his absence leaves in the NFL ownership landscape.

4. Charlotte Hornets’ Playoff Prospects

Timestamp: [02:19] – [05:05]

The hosts analyze the Charlotte Hornets' current roster and their chances of making the playoffs. The conversation focuses on key players like Brandon Miller, Lamelo Ball, Miles Bridges, and Joel Embiid, emphasizing the importance of player health and development.

Shannon Sharpe highlights Joel Embiid’s value:

“Nobody ever questions when Joel Embiid plays. And he's good to go, right? He's unstoppable.”

However, concerns about Embiid’s health and availability are raised:

“But I just don't know, Ocho. He might play 65, 70 games. He might play 25 games, and I can't bank on that.”

The hosts debate the team's strategy, suggesting that Brandon Miller could be pivotal:

“They need him to develop into a young Mellow.”

5. Speculations on Sports Franchise Investments

Timestamp: [05:08] – [17:59]

A lively discussion ensues about the possibility of self-investing in sports franchises. Joe Johnson humorously outlines grand plans to revitalize and invest in college sports programs, particularly Savannah State.

Joe Johnson shares ambitious ideas:

“I'm going to get Nick Saban. I got 20 million. Nick Saban, five years, $100 million, man. They got Nick Saban coaching at Savannah State. You're damn right.”

Shannon Sharpe echoes the enthusiasm, imagining enhanced facilities and top-tier coaching:

“We got the best uniforms, best coaches, and best food, treatment facilities, amenities.”

The conversation takes a humorous turn as both hosts joke about their investment capabilities and the practicalities of such endeavors, blending aspiration with light-hearted humor.

6. Fox’s Top Wide Receiver Duos

Timestamp: [27:38] – [37:38]

Shannon and Joe review Fox’s ranking of the top wide receiver duos heading into the next NFL season. They discuss the accuracy of the rankings, agree on certain pairings, and critique others.

Shannon Sharpe critiques the ranking structure:

“I would have put Baker Mayfield in front of Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford.”

The analysis covers various duos like Jamar Chase & Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott & C.D. Lamb, Jerry Goff & Amon-Ra St. Brown, among others. The hosts provide their insights, agreeing with some rankings while disputing others based on performance and potential impact.

7. Q&A and Listener Interactions

Timestamp: [51:11] – [62:22]

The final segment transitions into a Q&A session, where listeners pose questions about basketball, player performances, and hypothetical scenarios. The hosts engage with humorous and candid responses, maintaining an entertaining atmosphere.

Shannon Sharpe and Joe Johnson engage in playful banter, discussing topics like gym routines, player comparisons, and memorable sports moments. They also touch upon listener contributions and share personal anecdotes, fostering a sense of community among their audience.

8. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [61:46] – [73:04]

Shannon wraps up the episode by celebrating their achievements and expressing gratitude to listeners. They also briefly reference upcoming sports events and tease future discussions, ensuring the audience remains engaged and anticipatory for subsequent episodes.

Shannon Sharpe concludes with appreciation:

“Thank you for your support and your continued support. Because without you, there is no Nightcap.”

Joe Johnson adds a lighthearted note about awards and future plans:

“Look, they’re gonna send us out Webby Awards, Ocho. We’re gonna get our Webbies.”

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Shannon Sharpe (25:01): “I salute you. I salute you. Because at this point, so every time there's a play or there's a situation or there's a scheme that we can't stop in the off season, we're going to go vote against it.”

• Joe Johnson (06:06): “He led the team since 1997 and presided over the franchise's greatest errors. He was 65 years of age.”

• Shannon Sharpe (02:19): “They need him to develop into a young Mellow.”

• Shannon Sharpe (05:08): “We got the best uniforms, best coaches, and best food, treatment facilities, amenities.”

• Shannon Sharpe (27:38): “I would have put Baker Mayfield in front of Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford.”

• Joe Johnson (30:00): “Man. I don't know. How many reps do you think you do with these?”

• Shannon Sharpe (61:54): “You do?”

• Joe Johnson (62:22): “He’s a ninja that's talking on the ninja that's talking on YouTube.”

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Conclusion

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe and his co-hosts provide insightful analysis on NFL controversies, honor a notable figure's legacy, discuss team dynamics and player prospects, and entertain with speculative sports investments and interactive Q&A. Their blend of expertise, humor, and heartfelt commentary offers both seasoned fans and new listeners a comprehensive and enjoyable exploration of current sports narratives.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The volume.

[Joe Johnson]

Brandon Miller is reportedly the only untouchable player on the Hornets roster. One opposing exec told Hoops Wire that he's led to believe Brandon Miller is the lone untouchable Charlotte roster is the only loan untouchable On Charlotte's roster, though he doesn't think Lamelo Ball or Miles Bridges will be moved. No one will pay what the Hornets are surely seeking for either player, the executive said. Joe, what do the Hornets need to do to become to just to make the playoffs? Dang, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

They need some of that talent they got over there to develop, like Brandon, Brandon Miller. They need him to develop into a young Mellow.

[Joe Johnson]

Gotta stay healthy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, you need Melo to stay healthy. It's just so many components that. That need to be in place for them to be a playoff team. I think they got some talent, Uncle Hocho. Yeah, it just seemed like ain't nothing been going Charlie way over these past few years, man. You know what I mean? So they may be a team who need to make some. Make a few splashes, Uncle Ocho, this summer, you know, I don't know what it is, but they need some help.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, if you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, they need to get Mellow, Mellow up out of there, boy. Mellow. Mellow belong on one of them big market teams, boy. He's. I'm talking about he box office. He's exciting to watch. He's one of them players like, man, you. You put the ball in his hand, man, ain't no telling what the hell finna happen, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

But here's the thing though, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. There's a lot of players, but is he going to stay healthy? That's his problem. Is he box office? Yes. Can he put the ball in the basket? Yes. Can he stay healthy? No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Availability.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's the best ability. Nobody ever questions when Joel Embiid plays. And he's good to go, right? He's unstoppable. He's the closest thing to Shaq that we've got in the NBA when it comes to unstoppability. But I just don't know, Ocho. He might play 65, 70 games. He might play 25 games, and I can't bank on that. Yeah, that's the problem that you have with these guys. Some of like Lamelo and Joel Embiid. The only thing is, how healthy are they going to be? How many games are they going to play this year?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Damn.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, Phillies spent some money on Embiid and. And Paul George. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, look, they already done. Did they? Charlie got theirs. They had. They. They drafted. Kobe traded him. Drafted. Shay traded it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, hey, look.

[Joe Johnson]

What they did is that they took Vladi Divat for Kobe. Yeah, right. Kobe got. So the Lakers got the draft rights. To Kobe for Vladi. And then Shay was traded to the Clippers for. They swap. Swap in. Yeah, but. Well, if that's the case, you should have just take Miles Bridges and then if that's what you wanted. I never understood that. We gonna select this like Vince Carter and Antoine Jameson was traded for each other. Throw them four and five. Just take. Just take the guy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Or like Orlando and Golden State. When Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber came out, would you draft Chris Weber with Shaq? Why not just take Penny with the number one pick, right? I don't get it.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. I don't know. Charlotte, Y' all gotta make. Y' all gotta do something. I got some sad news. Ocho co owner Jim Ursay passes away. He led the team since 1997 and presided over the what story Franchise's greatest errors. He was 65 years a day. 65 years of old. 65 years of age. Excuse me. Earlier today, he posted on X his support for his Indiana Pacers and Herb Simon ahead of their opening game in the Eastern Conference finals. New York Knicks. He wrote, go Pacers. Good luck to Herb. The entire Pacer organization at our city. He passed shortly after that. I've only met him a handful of times. Most of the owners, I mean, let me stop saying most every owner that I meet, they're always gracious to me. They always. I respect the way you play, really love the way you do. You can tell you study, love that you. You know, you love the NFL. And we appreciate. Wish we had more guys like you. All of them. Mr. Blank. Jim Irsay, when he was in. When he was with the. The. The. The Hornets, Jerry Richardson, all. I mean, I know. All I know for the most part. All of them. And they've always been very, very, very, you know, respectful to me. And it's, you know, death is never fair, man. You know, I mean, when you. When you. When you were young, it's like, damn. But now, you know, that's the one thing about it, is it can't be fair. Can't.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to take black, white. You got to take young, old, got to take men, women. Got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And that's.

[Joe Johnson]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the way. Hey, Joe. Though. The way I've always been. That's the way I live. I live the way I live. Huh? Every day. I treat every day like it's my last. I'm always happy with it. Why are you always smiling? But why are you always laughing? Why are you always telling people you love them everywhere you go? Why would you meet people, you hug them. You hug them. You act like you'd have known them 30 years. Because I never know. I never know. So if they if in remembrance of whenever it's time for me to transition that moment, that one moment, you always remember, it's always, always a good one. It'll always be a good one. The funny thing about life is when you're born, you never know when your expiration date is. Nope. You never know your expiration date is. So I always love to live life each day as if it's my last. Which is why I look at people that think they can. No matter what you do, you know, if you believe in God, you understand. God knows when that day is. You don't. But for some reason, people on Earth have this inclination that there are certain things I can do in life that can extend that expiration date. That's not the way it works. No, it's not. That's not the way it works. You can't extend anything. But when it's time to go and that knock coming to, calling at the door. You hear me? When that knock off.

[Joe Johnson]

When you coming home, it's the one appointment you can't reschedule.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Stop playing, man. Stop playing. Hey. Oh, I can eat this and I live a little bit longer, or I can do this and I live. I mean, what. What, man, if you don't get out here and live and enjoy yourself before that time come. Because you don't know, man.

[Joe Johnson]

So it's. I'm sure the. Because he was a very generous man to the city of Indianapolis. He loved his coats. Obviously, his dad. I think his dad name was Bob. What do you mean his name was Bob? Her say he took over for his dad. I think his daughter's gonna take over for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that's sad, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I thought. Yeah, but. Jim Merce gone at the age of 65. NFL exec Troy Vincent announces a new end of the year award. Protector of the Year recognizes the best offensive lineman each year. Credit Dion Dawkins and others for champion the cause of the Ocho. Who do you got winning? The first one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who do I have winning?

[Joe Johnson]

Yep. If anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would say. Is that a Deion Dolphins, right. And right title.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For the East.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm going.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going. Trent Williams or Big, what you call them? Dwayne Johnson. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Lane Johnson.

[Joe Johnson]

Might have something to say about that Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I. I understand it, but I'm saying what Dion Dawkins was able to do and that goddamn Dion Johnson Trent Williams missed a few games. Yeah, we know how great Trent is. I didn't say Trent's name simply because he missed a few games. We know what he can do. But I think from. From a point of standpoint of being dominant all season long, man, what Dion Dawson was able to do and Leon Johnson, two. Two tremendous players. So there's a protective year this year or this past season, I would. I would go with those two.

[Joe Johnson]

Uh. Oh, Browns fans are upset. Something the mayor said. Cleveland Mayor Justin Bibbs said, I don't care if the Browns leave Cleveland. There are more important priorities than the Cleveland Browns. Hey, yeah, everybody says that until they leave St. Louis. You know, St. Louis said that, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, until they left and Arizona left.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, we want another team. And then guess what? The Rams came, and then they left as the city of St. Louis. Where they'd like to have another NFL franchise.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. You know what it does for them?

[Joe Johnson]

Raid Oakland, man. We don't care. They went to la. Come back, come back, come back. They went back. We don't care if y' all leave. Ask Oakland. Do they want another team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. If you understand what it does for the economy, having a team, having a franchise in your city. You understand every network. Be careful what you wish for.

[Joe Johnson]

Every network. Ocho gave up the NFL. CBS gave it up. NBC gave it up. Abc, Monday Night Football used to come on abc. Remember that, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

They gave it all back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I remember the.

[Joe Johnson]

Now look at what they paying. Netflix, Amazon. Now, I don't know if y' all noticed, but keep an eye on. When these con. When these are in 20, 30, don't be surprised if your Sunday football is on Netflix and Amazon, they got. The NFL don't care nothing about no loyalty. Now, I understand the NFL's been on CBS for a long period of time. I know these games. I'm telling you, they got hordes of money, lots of it. Hordes of money.

[Unknown Speaker]

Top dollar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. You ever think about that? Can you imagine if we had the kind of money, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean us had that kind of money? Like, I don't want that kind of money. Like Netflix? Hell, no. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Amazon. Hey, what if we had money like Jeff Bezos?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, Come on, Ocho, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

Y' all. Y' all wouldn't know how to act.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me? Oh, me? No, I'm. Listen, Joe, I'm. I'm well off, and I'm risky.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you couldn't hit me in the ass with a red apple, you know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, you gonna give me a quarter of a bill?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. I don't. I don't really do much, and I'm. I'm good now. I've been good for. I tell you what, I don't really do much. Jo, if you gave me much, much more than what I have now, I mean, I'm probably gonna do me much more. I'm gonna still be gaming. I'm still be eating McDonald's.

[Unknown Speaker]

You probably have a couple more cars.

[Joe Johnson]

I tell you what, Savannah State gonna have the best go to have the best HBCU football team. They're gonna have the best band, they gonna have the best academic program. I guarantee you that. I can't guarantee you a whole lot else, right? But I guarantee you, yeah, Savannah State would be the equivalent of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, of hbcu, whoever. Whatever programs that they do have, whatever at Harvard, Princeton and Yale, I'm going to get them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. As a matter of fact, I would probably do the same, obviously, never having an opportunity to go to fam. But having such a love and enthusiastic passion for the school in general. Why God do the same, huh?

[Unknown Speaker]

I have fam.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You looking like a college university. It'd be better than.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Better than. Best uniforms, best coaches, and best food, treatment facilities, amenities.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going to get Nick Saban. I got 20 million. I got $20 million. Nick Saban, five years, $100 million, man. They got Nick Saban coaching at Savannah State. You're damn right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, boy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have. I flipped Tallahassee upside down, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going to get the culture. I'm going to get the coach in Connecticut. I got $12 million a you. Hey, I'm spinning, man. I got 200 billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's just too much, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Please. Hey, Tattoo. Oh, yeah. We got the best track program. We got the best everything. Oh, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know.

[Joe Johnson]

You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I would want to do if I. If I had Jeff Bezos type money? I would want to own a team. I would want to.

[Joe Johnson]

You want to. You want to own one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to own a football team. Yeah. Like I. I like. I don't want to.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you're gonna have to overpay to get one. You know that? But you got that kind of money, so you don't really care.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I see him doing that.

[Unknown Speaker]

At some point, though, huh? Can't y' all see Jeff Bezos getting. Getting a. In a sports franchise?

[Joe Johnson]

He had opportunity. He could have bought. He could have. He could have bought the Broncos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could have bought Washington we won't let him in. They won't let him in, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think he really wanted it.

[Unknown Speaker]

He probably waiting for. For hella.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, what do you mean? Did they let the. Walton just brought the Broncos. He worth 100 plus billion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah.

[Joe Johnson]

Honestly, Ocho, I don't. I don't want no franchise. I just go like, hey, set the kids up. Hey, this is all y' all get. Y' all blow this, you outta gas. But you're out of gas. I'm sorry, but, man, I'm too charitable. There'll be a lot of kids. There gonna be a lot of kids. Hey, Glenville High School. Hey, you graduate when you want to go to college? Four years paid for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like that.

[Unknown Speaker]

You've been thinking about some of this, ain't you? Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Already. I already got. Already got. I already got that money spent. They already know how I do. After you ask track and field athletes in the world championships, man, I gave about 700,000. Yeah. Was it Olympics or the world championship? Olympics. Olympics, yeah. Win the gold medal. Breaking world record. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, don't forget me. I was in on that, too, now.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I'm saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, you know, we bless him a little bit.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, okay. Okay. Southern.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, we went down to Southern. They performed. Hook them up. Hook him up. Yeah. Like I said. God know what he doing. He know not to give me no 200 billion because he already know. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, listen, you know what? I think our chances of greater or getting that kind of money are really, really good. Because he knows our heart. He know we're going to do it that much.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm going.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm helping everybody. I'm helping people. Like in the natural disaster, like the fires or hurricane. What y' all need? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Joe. I'mma go. I'mma go play the lotto tomorrow. I'm. I'm. I don't. I'm just feeling lucky. Listen, if the Indiana Pacers could win a game like that tonight, down what, 12, 14 for two minutes on the clock.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Ojo, man, I'm playing a lot O, Joe.

[Unknown Speaker]

Okay, I'mma hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'mma hit and I'mma give me a property.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I tell you what I am gonna do. What? I'm gonna go to Nashville and I'm gonna buy me a farm and I'm gonna have me some mini horses, some mini cows, some mini goats.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why didn't I go to you?

[Joe Johnson]

I want to be out. I'm gonna Be. No. Absolutely not. Don't.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's gonna be trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. I want many horses. I want many cows. I want some mini goats. I want me some dogs. I want me some animals like raccoon, possums.

[Unknown Speaker]

You want some raccoon and possums?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, for pets.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm with you with the animals, but the raccoon and possum, Unc, I can't do the raccoon, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I want a raccoon so bad, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, let me tell y' all something. When I played the University of Arkansas on the Nolan Richardson, he had a farm. He still got a farm. He still live on the same farm. And he had horses. He had Great Danes. And this man has deers that walk around the yard, in the house like.

[Joe Johnson]

They dogs, deers.

[Unknown Speaker]

Man, I'm 17, 18 years old on his farm. You know, he used to throw all these events for the team, for the players.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Fight us over his wife Cook, God rest her soul. She just passed away not long ago. But, man, I've never seen a deer walk up to you and let you pet him and rub him. Look, they all run together. The deers, the Great Danes. He got horses. He had four wheelers. He had the whole nines over there. Oh, man. To go over there and have a ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. That's what I'm gonna get. That's what I'm gonna get. But the Browns. Look, Browns Club. I understand. I understand, Mayor. Sometimes these owners try to squeeze you and add taxes, hotel taxes and sale taxes and things, and make you pay for the stadium and, you know, a three, four, you know, two. $3 billion stadium. Hey, man, you like. That's not. That's not what I want to use the citizens of Cincinnati for. Yeah, but if I, you know, if I had that kind of break, you know, I got. Jimmy has one. I mean, he's got good money. He don't have money like, you know, the top 50 people in the world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

But, you know, ojo, you got 250 billion. I build my own stadium. Yeah, man. I mean, bro, when you got. When you got $200 billion, what's 5 billion?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like you. Oh, so it's like you right now just giving away by $10.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Basically, you making that kind of. Making that kind of revenue. It's reoccurring, and he's still getting it every year.

[Joe Johnson]

It's not like he. It's not like he. He lost five. It ain't gonna be, bro. Amazon knock on my door by five, ring my doorbell about five times a day. You have titles going crazy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. So we're gonna have to get in contact with old Bezos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Joe Johnson]

I got his number.

[Unknown Speaker]

You got his number?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You know, you know me and. Me and the commission like this and so the connection between the commission, it was able to link me with Mr. Bezos and you know, I am man. Give me your number, man. Just in case, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Keep in touch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, just keep in touch. I might need you for some business or something.

[Unknown Speaker]

Just keep that tucked away, don't you? Yeah.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

Ocho the NFL needed 24 boats to ban the tush push. They got 22. Here are the 10 teams Here are the 10 teams that voted against the Tush push band. Obviously. The Eagles, Ravens, Browns, Lions, Jags, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Jets, Titans, every team that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn'T vote, every team that chose not to vote against the Tush push. I salute you. I salute, I salute you. Because at this point, so every time there's a play or there's a situation or there's a scheme that we can't stop in the off season, we're going to go vote against it. We're going to find a way to stop it because we can't personally or we just don't have the personnel to stop the twist for us. Oh, we're going to go vote like, come on man, this is what the game has come to. Stop it if you don't like something. Hey, when I played, teams, coaches, media, they complain. He always celebrating when he get in the end zone. Well, hell, shit, stop it. That's all.

[Joe Johnson]

Keep him out. That's what I said about oh man, Tio getting the end zone. I said, y' all don't want to dance, keep my dance on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's pretty simple.

[Joe Johnson]

Same thing as you don't keep my dance on. He gonna dance. He gonna do whatever he gonna do. He gonna grab pom poms, he gonna get popcorn, he gonna do whoever dance it is, he gonna do it. If you don't want him to dance, keep my D on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Simple. Simple as that. So when it comes to, when it comes to the tush push, keep him out of short. Keep them out of the red zone.

[Joe Johnson]

Keep him out of 31, 34. Yeah. Keep my goal. There you go, Ojo. He's reported that temp was flared during the debates. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lord, during a lengthy speech on the Tush Push Band, called the play a win, win for the team regardless of whether it was bad, comparing their success. Success. Tweet a wet dream for a teenage boy because it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Because it was so effective and it had to be outlawed. Lurie also criticized NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and executive vice president Troy Benson for pushing to ban the play after Lori finished. Vincent, who played for the Eagles from 96 to 03, called him out for using the term wet dream in front of women, per Seth Wickersham.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to choose your words wisely.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Listen, if it's all men in the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Room, bojo, it's okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. It's like we're in the barbershop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We talk openly. There's women, there's kids in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We keep it pg.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Change the sentence structure. That's all. That's what I call it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Change the sentence structure.

[Joe Johnson]

And we get. You know, hey, I don't really see the comparison because they didn't have an outlawed that phase that a boy goes through. They haven't outlawed it. I don't think they're trying to outlaw it, Ocho, but I think a part of me wants to understand what he was trying to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't get there. I didn't get there like he got there. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I understood. We were trying to go with it. I was picking up what putting down Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Fox released their top wide receiver duos heading into next season. Number one, obviously, Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow. Number two, Dak Prescott, C.D. lamb. Number three, Jerry Goff, Amon Ross St. Brown. Number four, Jalen Hurts, A.J. brown. Number five, Matthew Stafford, Puka Nakua. Number six, Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans. Tied for seventh with Jaden Daniel and Terry McLaurin, along with Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers. Number nine, C.J. stroud, Nico Collins. Number 10, Tua and Tyreek. Also receiving votes, honorable mention, Josh Allen, Khalil Shakur, Justin Herbert, Lad McConkle. Trevor Lawrence, Brian Thomas Jr. Jalen Hurts, Devontae Smith, Joe Burrow, T. Higgins. What did they get right? What did they get wrong?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I wish? I wish I had. I could have this. What was this on? Huh? Do you know what site this was on?

[Joe Johnson]

It was on Fox.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Fox Sports.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

It's on the screen. No, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I Know, but the screen is so small. You can see that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, you click on it. You can click on it on the screen on that.

[Joe Johnson]

No, you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can't. You can't.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm talking about to make it big on you. On what he looking at?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you can do that?

[Joe Johnson]

Are you looking at it, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's right here. It's right above Joe Head. But, you know, it's like you can't.

[Unknown Speaker]

Double tap that screen and make it pop up big on your. On your screen right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it made it smaller.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, hey, get some. Hey, get some big eyes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me see if I can make it bigger. Damn. I can't. Nah. Now I'm going back through. Damn. I can't see it. Let me see. Based on what I know, I know they got Joe right? I know they got Joe right now. They said duos we should be talking about quarterback, number one. Receivers is up there. Number two. Number two.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's right, ain't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who?

[Unknown Speaker]

Dak and CD Lamb.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, who is that? Who is that? At number three?

[Joe Johnson]

Jerry Goff. And I'm in. Ross St. Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That's a good one. So what they got The Eagles at 4.

[Joe Johnson]

Eagles at 4 with Jalen Hurst and A.J. brown, Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakur at 5.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans at 6. Ash just texted to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, thank you. Thank you, Ash. So I get. I can see it a little better. Thank you, mama. Okay, now we're talking. You know what?

[Joe Johnson]

This.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The. The order. This is about, right?

[Unknown Speaker]

This.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is right. This is right. And. And what was. Was. Was not fair, obviously, because A.J. brown doesn't get as many opportunities as a mon. Ross St. Brown. I would. I would have kind of flipped that. And I would put Baker Mayfield in front of Puka Nakua and Matthew Stafford. And I put Matthew Stafford and Pukinakua at six and then put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans at five. The Jaden Daniels is. Okay. It was their first year. Lamar and Zay Flowers is perfect. Nico Collins. Whoa. Collins and CJ Stroud deserve to be up a little higher. Yeah. I'm putting C.J. shroud and Legal Collins at seven. I'm putting them at seven. So really, really at seven. You could have. And I don't like the fact that Tyreek and Tua, just because they had an off season, they all the way down at 10. Because when they on fire.

[Joe Johnson]

So who you gonna put them in front of? So coming into this Year where you gonna put them?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, coming into this year for the sake of them having a down season because of Tua's injuries last year he, we, we can keep him at 10, but we know when Tyreek is on. You already know what type of production that is.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but we saw Brian Thomas. We. Hey, I, I don't know who going to be what you call him because I mean just imagine if Malik neighbors had a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh hey. And he still had a great year.

[Joe Johnson]

He had 109 catches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had a great year. But hold on. You know who not on here, which I don't understand why he's not on here. Probably, probably because of Trevor Lawrence. That goddamn Brian Thomas Jr. Now he, Brian Thomas Jr. Should be on here despite him.

[Joe Johnson]

With who, who is quarterback?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. That's the point. It don't even matter who his quarterback is. Look at his numbers as a rookie. God damn it.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Down there, down there in that adult ballet room. Yeah, the nose snot in everything.

[Joe Johnson]

I guess. Lux. I guess luxury. Luxury gave you, you know.

[Unknown Speaker]

Look, he can't get together over there.

[Joe Johnson]

You know we can see you right Ocho?

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, it may not care.

[Joe Johnson]

Little further off screen. Oh, the other way. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Ojo, the chat says the Cowboys are number two for clickbait. Chat thinks they're too high, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they're not too high. They're not. Even if you don't like the Cowboys. Even if you don't like the Cowboys. And the defense was horrible. They always lose in the first round of the playoffs. Now we talk about from a quarterback and receiver standpoint and production that those two put up together, especially last season. They had a great year together last year and that that was year before last, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Remember dad got hurt last year? That was year before last. Yeah, year before when CD led the league in catches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Well, matter of fact, if that's what we're going to do, if that's what we're going to do and they gonna put him at number two. Well hell, the year before last Tyreek was an animal.

[Joe Johnson]

So they said they saying coming in but they're basing it on coming into this season.

[Unknown Speaker]

Okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Where do you think that this season, right? Well they're looking at status is held back healthy and he has someone opposite CD that you can't double it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Okay, I, I, I understand. I understand. I, I like this though. I like this though. I would, I would.

[Joe Johnson]

Oo, did you see this video? Aaron Donald with 130 pound dumbbells. Ooh, I See, look at this. How many reps do you think you do with these?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo, 130, maybe eight at most. I mean, I'm just being honest. Maybe eight at most. Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, he can do something with them. 130s.

[Joe Johnson]

Got nine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He playing around, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

I.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, your boy. I ain't what I used to be, Joe. You said what I do. I had them. How many? I do remember, I did. I had 132 and a half. Yeah, I did 132 and a half. I did those for 10. Hey, look, when you playing, when you.

[Unknown Speaker]

Done playing, that's a part of you that kind of sticks with you. Especially if you love, like, staying in shape.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Joe. Not all of them do that, Joe.

[Unknown Speaker]

I know, I know. Not all of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you see some of them boys now, you'd be like, I know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. You're like, hey, there's some DBs and running back. Look like D line and O line. I'm like, I always said I wanted, like, if a father and son were to see me, like, he used to be an NFL player, right? Oh, I can see he played tight end.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

I can see that. I didn't want to look like a D lineman. I didn't want to look like an offensive lineman. I wanted to look like, okay. People look at me, they say, oh, you. You play the sport, what you play, right? I can tell.

[Unknown Speaker]

So, man, hey, yeah, no, no, it's. Some guys I even kind of just let go. And I. I'm never. I'm never with that. I'm a guy who always love being in shape. You know what I mean? Like, I. I enjoy that part of it. So I enjoy the grind. I embrace the grind, actually. And it's. It's fun to me, man. So when I see big Aaron Donald out there throwing them. Them 130s around, I'm like, yeah, he ain't even playing no more. That man's still out there getting it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I mean, for me, I mean, the to. To, they just hold. Lifting that heavy weight just hold too much weight on me, Joe. If I try. If I try to get down on the 250, I gotta let them. I gotta let. I can't go over 100.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Cause my ego won't let me stop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, I'm here. I'm hitting 130 for you in the morning, Joe. You know, I got my gym session at. At 6am I'm hitting 130s for you, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

You ain't doing 130. That's how you coming like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Joe. No, I gotta play around with them hunds. I just, you know, I post them hunds all the time on Twitter and Instagrams. 130. I'm gonna go up tomorrow. See, see, See what I'm looking like? See what I can do? All right.

[Joe Johnson]

Not much. You ain't doing them 130s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's bet you won't. Bet not. Put. Put some money on it.

[Unknown Speaker]

How many times you gonna hit it?

[Joe Johnson]

None. Zero.

[Unknown Speaker]

I want to know because when I see you, when I see you trying to toss. Toss them 1-30s around, I want to see how many times. I mean, how many times you telling me you gonna hit that one? 30.

[Joe Johnson]

Not one. Hey, hey, Joe, I told you how many times you're gonna do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, on Twitter, you could somebody send it to you, right? People in the chat, they'll send you me playing around with Hunters doing 10:15. So if I could do 10:15 with a hundreds incline or decline, what you think I'm gonna do with the 130s? I'm. I don't know. They haven't did one thing in a minute.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You won't be. Yo, we gonna see tomorrow, Joe. I'm. I'm sending. All right. I'm real. I'm real strong. I just. I'm scrawny, though. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

You always been like that. Like, you probably can't pick up a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lot of weight, but you, man, but my body won't expand the way I want it to expand. You feel me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like right now. Like right now, it's probably my biggest I ever been. Like right now I'm about to. Honestly, about. About 196. Yeah, I'm about 196 and I can't get. I can't go over that, Joe. I got a problem eating three meals a day.

[Unknown Speaker]

So look, even if. Even the way you eat, you ain't got no you. You can't pick up no weight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, man. Joe, that's my problem. My baby be trying to get me to eat three times a day.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I eat one meal a day. I'm good the whole day. The whole day. Don't care nothing about nothing else. I'm on the game. I take me a nap, get ready for the show. And she'd be like, did you eat? I'd be like, damn, no. One big meal one day and I'm good. I'm satisfied the whole day. Smoke my cigar, get my coffee, and I'd be set. If I. If I was able to be a little bit more disciplined and structured and actually eating three meals a day, you know, breakfast, lunch and dinner, workout, you know, creatine and protein, all that. I just get up, go to the gym, eat that breakfast after that, and I'm done. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. But, you know, back in the. Back in the day, Joe, I used to. Bad lift here when I was playing at 228. I could handle 100. Those 770s. I did the 170s for six.

[Unknown Speaker]

Damn. Yes, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Because I used to work. I used to like when I first went to Baltimore. Yeah. I would work out by myself because I ain't really know anybody and I ain't really trust nobody to spot. And, you know, a lot of times I work out by myself and it is. I took. I took four or five down. Did it six times by myself. I probably could have got seven, but I always, I always, When I work out, I always leave one in the chain. Yeah, always basically by yourself.

[Unknown Speaker]

You mess around.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I can't. Can't afford to get stuck with four five on me, so I got six. I was like, I thought about. I contemplate. I said, nah, let me go ahead and rack it. And then I'm like.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, y' all, y' all, y' all like real bulky.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, I mean, basketball, we real lean.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You don't need all that strength. You mess your shot up. All that strength in your shoulders.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. And because we do so much running, it's hard to keep that type of muscle on. So when I see Honest and Shay and how they all cut up and ripped up, man, that take a lot of work, man. Yeah, it take a lot of work.

[Joe Johnson]

And I would stay strong, Joe. I would stay strong probably till about week 12, week 13, until my shoulders start getting really sore because I was still doing. I can still do up until probably week 14, 15. I still could do like three 15 for like 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's.

[Joe Johnson]

I probably. I can still handle like 120 pound dumbbells for like eight. But after that, that's.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's squat waiting for me. 400, 415, 315. That's squat waiting for me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Ocho, they got a new thing called Enhance game to debut in 2026, allowing PED use in Olympic style events. Oh, that. According to espn, the Enhanced league, which will feature Olympic style sports, announced plans to host in exactly one year its first annual competition in which athletes would be allowed, if not outright encouraged, to use PEDs like steroids, testosterone and growth hormones that are typically illegal to possess but banned in sports. Not typically illegal. Is legally to possess in some situations, but banned in sports. Drugs that are illegal in the United States won't be permitted, however, and athletes must reveal which drugs they are taking and undergo medical screening. Though not plans are to enforce the drug testing program. The games will feature eight different events. Swimming will hold 50 meter, 100 meter races, and freestyle and butterfly track will hold 100 meter, sprint, 110 hurdles. Weightlifting feature, snatch, clean and jerk and. Yeah, snatch and clean and jerk.

[Unknown Speaker]

Man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you might see. So you might literally see somebody cleaning jerk £600.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's way too much now.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, lunch is telling. Scott said he did damn near 580.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, them dudes be broke all up when they done.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't there some.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, like 180.

[Joe Johnson]

Some of them lose a lot of weight. I mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S. I'm curious to see what some of the records would look like.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, but I don't know if they'd be ratified because you got to be in a governance sanctioning body for it to get ratified. Like, if you run. Let's just say somebody run 9, 5, 7, they're not going to get in the record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. I just want to see if somebody can even accomplish that with the enhanced. With the enhanced.

[Joe Johnson]

I still believe Ocho. I'll go to my grave believing had Usain Bolt not pulled up in the last 10 meters, I believe he might run sub 9, 5.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to realize he started doing sideways 10 meters to go and ran 9, 6, 8.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So just imagine. Because he was so excited. Just imagine had. He had run through the line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he was moving. Boy, he was looking.

[Joe Johnson]

I still believe it's gonna be a long time. It might be a situation where just like Flo Jo's record is gonna be safe for an extended period of time. Right. I don't believe anybody. I don't believe anybody going 10, 50, 49.

[Unknown Speaker]

Ain't nobody gonna be both.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't see anybody, man. Ain't nobody being close. Ain't nobody. Ain't Nobody been under 10, nine, six. Ain't nobody been. I mean, we hadn't had somebody go under nine, seven since Johan Blake and Tyson Gay and that was 2008, 2009. So think about where we are now. We hadn't even capped somebody. Nobody's even going on. Has anybody gone on the nine, seven, five?

[Unknown Speaker]

That boy was. Must watch tv.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, what's the pay. Is the pay gonna be equivalent or is the pay gonna be better than what it is, you know, with the Olympics? Because, I mean, I don't understand.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, like the Olympic pay. I mean, your money for the Olympics is basically in sponsorship. So you gotta be somebody like a Cindy McLaughlin or Noah Lyles. Cause most of the people, most of the women, men and women that compete, that little stipend they get from the US Olympic Committee ain't really doing a whole lot, Ocho. Yeah. They need to make.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They need to fix.

[Joe Johnson]

So you gotta work at, you know, you got other Home Depot or Lowe's or whatever. You in one of these programs or something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fix that.

[Joe Johnson]

They need.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They need that.

[Joe Johnson]

Because think about it. Oh, remember we had this conversation. What other countries are playing for gold, for gold medals and silver medals?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who was first? China. Right? Was it China?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, there was this one country, like, dude got a. Like a condo, got a house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Talking about taking care of you, taking care of your people.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Usain Boat, world record of 9, 5, 8. Johan Blake ran 969. Tyson Gay ran 969. Asafa Powell had the world record at 972. Justin Gatlins run 9, 7 4. Andre DeGrasse, it was win 80. He ran 975. I don't believe nobody's run 975 in the last decade since those guys ran those. Those nine, seven. I mean, that 958-96-9, 969.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got a question too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seeing these high school kids out there in Houston, they keep talking about they ran nine, nine.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that boy. That boy, he from San Antonio. Tate. I'm gonna say 9, 9, 992. They got a kid in Georgia, just ran 998. Texas. You know Texas, they different out there in Texas. Hell yeah. I think you had to run sub 10, 2 to get fifth place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But are they really that close to our. Yes. In athletes?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. You see the kid from. You see the kid that won.

[Shannon Sharpe]

From.

[Joe Johnson]

From Bullis in Maryland?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uhhuh.

[Joe Johnson]

He ran 4420. Yes, yes. These kids are dazed. They doing it now, Ocho.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, listen, hey, they starting young too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Just like guys play basketball and football at a young age, these kids start running and specializing at a very young age.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, I had a guy I was talking to out here in Georgia and he was like, man, you know, we don't take 8, 9 year olds when it come to baseball. You got to start them about at three, four years old.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. You got to be able to see how to hit that curveball, that slide and that change up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Because after you get to a certain age, you get scared of the ball.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So I got to get you young enough where you don't, you, you have no inhibitions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

That's like people that, you know, people that handle snakes and things like that, they start very, very young. When you don't have inhibitions where you like because if you, if you just take a, you take a two or three year old and sit and put a snake down there, the first thing they're going to do is try to pick it up. Yeah. Because they haven't been taught to fear it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I got to get you in a situation where you don't fear it. That's why you, if a kid want to swimming what you do, you start them out young, they don't feel the water.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

They have no comprehension of how dangerous the water is. So, so when you playing baseball, I got to put you in a situation where you don't fear getting hit by the ball and that curveball damn sure make you feel like you about to get hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you got, hey, you gotta sit there, you gotta sit down.

[Joe Johnson]

Gotta sit on there. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

All right, we're gonna get you here on this one, don't yo. Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Finn's NJ said N Smith made shots in prime time like his ones we all made in our childhood backyard hoops with no witness. Dude balled out. He absolutely did. Big shot after big shot after big shot. I don't know. Look, I don't know what he. That's right. He gonna show them to the kids grandkids Yeah, I don't know if he got kids, but hey, you say this one, you should make sure you get that game ball.

[Unknown Speaker]

Fourth quarter, you score 20 points.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, 20.

[Unknown Speaker]

20.

[Joe Johnson]

And you ain't in a conference, in a conference finals game.

[Unknown Speaker]

And you ain't first, second nor third option. Come on, man. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's possible. See? You see how it's possible? So when I tell y' all I can come off the bench and scope 28. You don't think that's possible?

[Unknown Speaker]

Nah, nah, aim close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. I'm just saying there's a small example of someone doing it.

[Unknown Speaker]

And man, that man a professional athlete.

[Joe Johnson]

He. He.

[Unknown Speaker]

He's a starting small forward for the Indiana paces.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you think I am?

[Joe Johnson]

You a ninja that's talking on the ninja that's talking. Just talking on YouTube.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, who think he can do everything other son.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm listen the nigga talking on YouTube. But that was funny that way.

[Joe Johnson]

Junior, Junior. 908 said trash being thrown. Stephen A. Alone. Nick's on the phone. Hello. Faces in fire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Pity. Pat, man. What the hell? What the hell? What the helly? Paces in five, fans. New Jersey said New York Knicks play Pacers playoff rivalry is one of the all time in sports. Yeah, they normally come down to, you know, game five. And we see Reggie, when Reggie hit all scored all those points in that one moment. And we see Patrick Newing get a dunk put back. And then the following year he missed the layup right at the cup. Hey, Eddie, been good.

[Unknown Speaker]

Pace has been great.

[Joe Johnson]

Adab Smith said, the most mixed way to lose.

[Unknown Speaker]

Because you can feel the energy and excitement in Madison Square just by watching the game. And they wanted to erupt. You could tell when they had that 14 point lead. Uncle Ocho, I could feel them celebrating over here on this side. I feel it. I knew they was happy, but boy, look, that lead started trickling down. And once I seen Indiana cut it to like two or one, I said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, it's a wrap.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's gonna be a. It's gonna. They got a fighting chance, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Kurt said, ISO, do you remember Kobe, Gerald Wallace combo?

[Unknown Speaker]

Kobe and Gerald Wallace?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Was he the Kobe stopper?

[Unknown Speaker]

Nah, nah, I didn't think so either.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I thought it was Bruce Bowen. Was it Bruce Bowen?

[Unknown Speaker]

It was like, it was like. What's his name, his last name? Patterson. He played for the Blazers. They call him.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Reuben Patterson.

[Unknown Speaker]

They used to call him the COVID stopper.

[Joe Johnson]

Kobe.

[Unknown Speaker]

Kobe tore him up. Who else they used to call the Kobe Stopper man.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, Gerald Wallace used to be Gerald Wallace. Gerald Wilkins. Dominique, brother.

[Unknown Speaker]

Dominique. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Was the Jordan Stop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was.

[Unknown Speaker]

He wasn't a Jordan stopper.

[Joe Johnson]

Nobody was a Jordan stopper. Age cigars and cognac was the Jordan stopper. Cause when he was in his prime, ain't nobody age.

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, nothing. Nobody could do with him.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing at all. Nothing. Mikey, Mike say the best thing for SGA with that supermax. Shay represents himself. All that money is his. Yeah. If you a guy that can go get the supermax, you really don't need an agent.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, he don't got no agent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Joe Johnson]

He fired him.

[Unknown Speaker]

Boy doing it. Yeah. Hey. Cause if you do your part on the court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look, no matter who represents you.

[Joe Johnson]

They'Re going to give you the Superbags. They're going to come. What do Ant man need an agent for? Ant man gonna get the max supermax, right? Jokic gonna get the supermax.

[Unknown Speaker]

And that's why I commend Lamar. Lamar and his mother for taking care of his contract. Yeah, you don't need it. Don't use him.

[Joe Johnson]

Kemper Norwood Jr. Said, oh, got got the Knicks versus the Timberwolves in the NBA Finals. My question is, if you're the GM in the NFL, who would you be? Your first overall pick? Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, or Cam? Newt?

[Unknown Speaker]

Man.

[Joe Johnson]

Who you picking first? Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And she asked you.

[Joe Johnson]

They did ask you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't put that on me.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, knowing what I know now. Knowing what I know now, I would take Lamar. I would take Lamar, Cam, Mike. Two of the three number one overall picks, right? Mike Vick was the number one overall pick, and Cam was the number one pick. And Lamar was 32. Yeah. Okay, O.J.

[Unknown Speaker]

I was here playing for the Hawks when we had the Mike Vick era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they experienced Mike Vick.

[Unknown Speaker]

Listen, listen. I had season tickets to the Falcons game, and, man, let me tell y' all something. It was nothing like it, brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I already know.

[Joe Johnson]

I told you, you had to be. I tell people this all the time, Joe. You had to be there to witness it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, it was. Listening when I'm talking about. Cause, you know, we would play sometime early Sunday, game 12. No, man, we'd be rushing out of there just to. Just to walk over to the. To the arena to catch the Falcons play.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, man, that was different, bro. Hey, that was different. He was special, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, check this out. We got a little video, a little something I was doing a little something I put together. Joe, tell me what you think Joe.

[Unknown Speaker]

Let me see what you got going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How much that is.

[Unknown Speaker]

He thought. He ain't doing nothing. Making love to them 60s.

[Joe Johnson]

Are them only 60s kilos? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute. How much that is?

[Joe Johnson]

What's 120, 127. I mean, 132.

[Unknown Speaker]

How many times you hit that?

[Joe Johnson]

That's 132 pounds, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, I'm gonna make me a video in the morning. I'll show you.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. How many times did I hit that, Joe?

[Unknown Speaker]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was seven. Huh? We hit it. That was seven.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Hey, there it is. We go. See? One, two, three, four. Okay, I got eight. You know what I'm saying? Don't sleep on o' Shea. Don't sleep on o' Shea. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't move fast like I used to.

[Unknown Speaker]

But, hey, as long as you got some motion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As long as you got some motion. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, something don't show. I just said. Don't you. Yeah, yeah. Now. Now, that's. That's 200. That's 132. That's 264 pounds. Now, if you don't give me my money, you gonna see that strength again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are you talking to me, Ocho? Oh, you gotta. When you talking, you gotta address the person you talking to. You ain't say no name.

[Joe Johnson]

The person owed me 5,200. That's turned into 5,900. If you don't pay me my money, you gonna see that strength again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that. I like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, check this out, Ocho. Casey Taylor says, speaking of competition, Uncle Nocho, too many NFL quarterbacks, running back, wide receivers. Who would you want to compete on the US Flag football? A tournament with NFL players making their own professional flag. If the NFL played a professional flag football team, they gonna lose and get their ass whooped. I don't know why y' all. Why y' all think y' all figure y' all can just take these guys risk? Because these guys are professional football players. These guys play professional flag football. There's a difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And for. For the. For the hundredth time, if you take a professional flag football team and you take the best NFL players against that flag football team, and they played a hundred times, the flag football team will annihilate the NFL players a hundred goddamn times. Are you honest? Best ones every time?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. That's just like saying. That's just like saying the University of Florida, because they won the national championship. Oh, they'll beat the worst NBA team. You and I Both know that ain't happening.

[Unknown Speaker]

That ain't happening.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, how many times we go through this, man? Alabama won, man. Alabama beat the Cleveland Browns. Alabama beat the Jags. Alabama get their ass toe slam up. I don't know what y' all. I don't know what y' all thinking, but ain't no college beat no professional football team.

[Unknown Speaker]

I don't think no college beat no professional football team. But when you say flag football and you and y' all tell me you give some of the top guys in the NFL, give them a little time so they can gain some chemistry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, now, you know, we're not speaking, man. We not doing. Ain't no. Ain't no.

[Joe Johnson]

We got three. They just going out there and playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Going out there and playing the nuances. The nuances and the nuances of the flag football game, which the NFL players aren't used to in the way those that play flag football can manipulate the game because they know the advantages that they have. Yeah, NFL players ain't winning that. I don't care how fast, how strong. That don't got nothing to do with the game of flag football. No, the advantages that they have on Sundays at 1 o' clock, they don't matter in flag football, Beta.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, look what I got. Ojo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, what's that? What?

[Joe Johnson]

It's the 56th annual NAACP image Award. Outstanding Podcast Society and Culture Club. Shay Shay. Shay Shay Media. Shannon Sharp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, damn. Congratulations. Are you anything to say congratulations? You anything to send your boy one, Ocho? What? That's all I got, Ocho. Another one for me.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, they gonna send us out Webby Awards, Ocho. We gonna get our Webbies.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hold on. We missed it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wanted to go up there and say I fucking love you again.

[Unknown Speaker]

Hey, I got an Emmy over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got an Emmy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where your Emmy at?

[Unknown Speaker]

It's upstairs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's that?

[Unknown Speaker]

That for me?

[Joe Johnson]

What it look like, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, how you got that?

[Joe Johnson]

Don't worry about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's Beach High.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. You tell me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that must be. Hey, boy. That's nice. Where you get that? You reached out to my school or something?

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, I ain't bothering nobody. I'm in my home.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but I'm trying to understand how you got my high school jersey.

[Joe Johnson]

Why you worried about it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I paid for it.

[Joe Johnson]

They sent it to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who sent it to you?

[Unknown Speaker]

Oto, you ain't getting no residuals from that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hall of the High Tides. Is that the name of your team? Is that the name of your team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

High Tides. Hey, Joe, you know who all went to school with me? That's. You know, that's my little cousin.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wayne Starks. Dwayne Starks went there, too. Terry Cousins. Remember Terry Cousins, Coach, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All of us was on the same team. I was the baby. Hey, but send me them jerseys so I can frame them.

[Joe Johnson]

I can put him in my garage, put up 5,900. You can get them. Oh, y' all can see it back. I just want to see. Y' all can see the end of the image of war. Yeah, you can see it. You can see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I ain't. Listen, you keeping all the wars. I ain't got no wars. Look, all I got is the nightcap sign.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. Hey, you gonna get you right, Old Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because I. I wanna.

[Joe Johnson]

What happened to the camera, Joe? I'm blurry. Oh, that came back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It came back.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that better. I like that right there. I like that right there. Like that right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard me out.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That you got all the awards behind you? Cause you won't send me none. Look at. Look at me.

[Joe Johnson]

You got your awards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where they at? Where they at? Where they at?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what you did with the awards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I got is a black wall.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know what you did with your award, but you got this. You got the webbies just like I got the webbing. As a matter of fact, you took the webby that night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, you know what? I think I know. I know what my awards at.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So can you. Can you call. Can you call and tell them to send me my. See my. My shit.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay? You're not finna get me involved in your bull jive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, ain't no bull jive. You just said not to ask for nothing back. I was. So I would need your help in extending that, Grace.

[Joe Johnson]

You got your plaque. Your million subscriber plaque.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they took all. They took that, too.

[Joe Johnson]

You got the hundred thousand subscriber plaque.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She took that. She took that, too.

[Joe Johnson]

You got the Signal award. Synopsis award. You got the Synopsis award.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Unknown Speaker]

You got everything.

[Joe Johnson]

You got everything that I got that I want?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I just explained to you that they.

[Joe Johnson]

And. And. And we got three more webbies.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. But hey, just. Just do me that favor. Do me that grace and I'll make that call. So have them ship. Have to ship. Have to tell them to ship it to you, and then you ship it to me.

[Joe Johnson]

She right down the street.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Richie Smalls, 23:20 says start, bench, cut Unc Gronk, Kelsey. Start Kelsey. Bench Gronk. I'm gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was a good order. That was a good. That was a good.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't got no problem with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna start now. Hell no, I'm starting, Unc. I'm a bench Gronk. I'm gonna cut Kelsey. I don't care. Nobody. Yeah, that's my dog. You know what I'm starting. Uncle talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

Trey Scott said, what are y' all undisputed goats. Like Boat and Phelps. Ain't no like no goat and Phelps. That man got all them damn gold medals. The man got 23 gold medals. Ain't nobody doing that again. Nobody doing that. I mean, the only person that's close is Larissa Latina, the great Soviet gymnast. Ain't nobody gonna get to get them that many medals. Ain't nobody gonna stick around that long, right? And swimming that many events, right? No, you want to say Simone Biles. Okay. In gymnastics, Simone Biles, all those world championships, she's got moves named after some of the moves that she's done. They've outlawed Jaime Lopez, the great Greco Roman wrestler from Cuba who's won. I mean. I mean, for Bo to win gold medal. I mean, first of all, there's only two men that's ever won. I mean, he had the record, he had the gold given to him because Ben Johnson tested positive. But prior to that, no man had ever won back to back gold medals. In the 100, he tripled. He three peated. No matter. Number one, back to back, go to the 200. He three pedded and he won three goals in the four by one. One got rescinded because the guy tested positive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I mean, go.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, both is boat. Boat and Phelps close. I mean, what are we talking about here, Q? Ziggy said Ocho ain't pay yet. Can this 499 go towards it? You owe me. He want. He putting $5 towards your debt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I appreciate that. Matter of fact, if the whole chat. If he had the whole chat contribute 5. 5 $20. I mean, I think it could be paid off by the night.

[Joe Johnson]

If it will happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm saying the chat contributed $20 to the Ocho fund to pay Unk.

[Joe Johnson]

No, you gonna pay Unk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know, but that. The chat is my.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, see, there you go. You sound like that pastor talking about. You gonna close the chat off until they start Donating but close the chat. Close the chat. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Doc, how you doing? Hey, fam. My husband completed his last treatment for prostate cancer today. I know you remember this journey all too well. I do. When? When I tell you God is good. That's a truly an understatement, man. Please get your checkups. Absolutely. Absolutely. Go get your colonoscopies. If you. I mean, if you have a history. I started getting tested when I was 35 because of my family history. And. Whoo. Got it tested. I got tested like a month before I was supposed to go out to work at Fox Undisputed. I got tested in July. As a matter of fact, my results came back, like a week before I was supposed to go. I had the surgery in 2017. It's a little. It gets a little going through TSA because I still got those pellets inside, those lead pellets inside of me. But, Doc, I understand what you say when you say God is good. He ain't good. He great. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. What an exciting game. Down 14 with under three minutes to go, the Indiana Pace has come back and tied in regulation and winning in overtime by the score of 138. 135. Tyrese Halliburton and Aaron Neesmith played sensational. The entire team played really well. They didn't turn the ball over. They turned the Knicks over. And every big play they every. Every clutch shot and big play they needed to make down the stretch, they made it. They snatch home court after one game. Can they get game two on Friday? We'll find out. But the Indiana Pacers up 10 in the NBA Eastern Conference Finals. Thank you guys for watching another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharpe, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And discuss all things basketball. Is our contributor extraordinaire. We want to thank him again, Joe, for coming on with us. Arkansas Little Rock alum, a native. Excuse me, University of Arkansas alum. That's ISO, Joe. That's Joe Johnson. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank you, each and every last one of you that joined the chat and all of you that have ever joined the chat. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Because without you, there is no Nightcap. There is no Unk. There is no Ocho so we thank you. There's no ISO Joe contributing, so thank you very much and hopefully you'll continue to support Nightcap. Please go check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock. If you can't find it in a city or state near you order it. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone they are gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Pacers beat the Knicks 138, 135 to take a 10 lead game two Friday night. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow. I'm Ocho Joe we're out.

[Unknown Speaker]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

They admitted they effed up and are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

One man's antiperspirant and it's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. So try it and see what the fuss is about.

[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Try the OG Cool Rush for yourself.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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