Nightcap Hour 2: Hawks PUT Trae Young on TRADING BLOCK + James Dolan says KNICKS are a CHAMPIONSHIP team + LeBron continues to BEAT FATHER TIME + Bleacher Reports MOST OVERRATED NBA players + Tua wants FRESH START

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2 (Jan. 6, 2026)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Hosts/Guests: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, "Uncle Ocho", Joe "ISO Joe" Johnson
Episode Theme:
A lively sports roundtable dives into the NBA's shifting landscape (Trae Young trade rumors, Knicks championship hopes, LeBron James’s longevity, Bleacher Report’s overrated list), with sharp sidebars on NFL quarterback drama (Tua’s future, Russell Wilson), and the impact of NIL in college sports. The discussion is insightful, candid, and full of the hosts' signature banter and storytelling.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Trae Young on the Trading Block (02:14 – 18:00)

• Situation Overview

  • The Hawks and Trae Young’s agent have started "positive and collaborative" trade talks after denying him a contract extension. Young (27) has one year plus a player option left ($95M total).
  • Young is franchise leader in threes and assists, made Atlanta a postseason team 3x, but emergence of Jalen Johnson (24/10/8.5 averages) and Nickeil Alexander-Walker appear to shift Hawks' focus.

• Panel Analysis

  • ISO Joe: "I just don't think they're at that max dollar number. They’re gonna trade him and get value for him… I want guys to get their money." (03:35)
  • Joe Johnson: The conundrum: if Young goes to a win-now team, they may be stripped of supporting players to get him; likening it to the Carmelo-to-New York scenario (04:40).
  • ISO Joe: Hears rumors of Young to the Wizards for CJ McCollum due to matching contracts. “Big names gonna move in February.” (05:31)
  • Joe Johnson: “For you to win with a small guard as your lead guy—it ain’t happen very often… Iverson lost to Shaq and Kobe, no shame in that.” (06:40)
  • Uncle Ocho: Weighs in on Young’s defensive liabilities but offensive firepower. Consensus: Trae still makes teammates better, but team defense matters at winning time (08:11, 09:26).

• Notable Moment

  • Joe Johnson: “If it's a nip-and-tuck ball game… I’m putting Trae Young ass in pick and roll all night in clutch time.” (11:11)

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2. Knicks’ Championship Aspirations & Eastern Conference Rundown (21:33 – 29:00)

• James Dolan Statement

  • Knicks' owner claims, “We absolutely have to get to the finals and should win the Finals… We stay healthy, we’ll get into the playoffs in much better condition than last year.”

• Panel Takes

  • ISO Joe: “The key word is staying healthy.” (22:16)
  • Celtics and Pistons considered the main competition.
  • Sixers’ Joel Embiid’s health remains a big wildcard; Tyrese Maxey is impressing (23:20).
  • Cavaliers (Donovan Mitchell) need more help; panel doubts Cleveland’s ceiling unless more pieces step up (24:21 ff).

• Depth & Bench Chat

  • Knicks lauded for their defensive depth—Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby, Josh Hart, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell Robinson, Miles McBride (26:01).
  • Ongoing Cat (Karl-Anthony Towns) debate: best offensive big, but should play on the block more.

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3. LeBron James Defying Father Time (29:00 – 37:51)

• Discussion

  • LeBron, age 41, in his 23rd season, moves into 2nd in all-time assists (RS + Playoffs). He reflects: “I don’t have any holes in my game.”
  • Panel credits his adaptation: “He’s playing from the shoulders up, while the rest play from the shoulders down.” (ISO Joe, 31:00)
  • LeBron’s minutes, numbers, and approach compared to aging in NFL stars (Tom Brady, Peyton Manning). Exceptional that he’s still held to highest standards.

• Memorable Exchange

  • Joe Johnson: “When you great, they expect you to be great forever…that’s when you know you’re great.” (36:05)
  • On declining defense: “You expect a 41-year-old to play defense like 25? Come on, chat.” (36:05)

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4. Bleacher Report & The Most Overrated NBA Players (41:06 – 43:50)

• Bleacher Report Rankings

  • 5. Michael Porter Jr.
  • 4. Jonathan Kuminga
  • 3. Jerry McLean
  • 2. Paolo Banchero
  • 1. LaMelo Ball

• Reactions

  • ISO Joe: “Michael Porter Jr.—overrated? He told y’all he’d average 25. He’s giving you 26. That’s dead wrong.” (41:32)
  • Disagreement on Kuminga’s situation: “He needs minutes, not hate.”
  • Panel is baffled by LaMelo and Banchero on the list, agreeing both are special talents even if team results lag (43:10).

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5. NFL Updates: Russell Wilson, Tua Tagovailoa, & Quarterback Drama (44:00 – 53:20)

• Russell Wilson’s Injury Report

  • Russ hid a torn hamstring, didn’t want to lose job. Played through pain. Uncle Ocho: “Players don’t want someone else to step up if you’re out.” (44:41)
  • Hiding injuries to stave off incoming rookies is common—"I'm not letting my spot up. If I’m going to lose it, it won’t be from the bench.” (45:02)

• Tua Tagovailoa’s Future

  • Tua, benched late in Dolphins’ season, says “a fresh start…would be dope.” (50:08)
  • Panel discusses Dolphins’ financials—a $56M cap hit, $100M dead cap if cut. Consensus: Tua likely stuck unless waived, but teams won’t trade for salary.

• Notable Quote

  • Joe Johnson: “You couldn’t offer enough to pry a QB away these days.” (47:27)
  • On coach-player dynamics: “Sean Payton don’t play none of that… You gotta be strong to play for Sean. He talk crazy.” (48:32)

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6. NCAA/NIL Money & The Transfer Portal Gold Rush (53:24 – 59:40)

• Discussion
  • Texas Tech QB Brandon Sorsby makes $5M in NIL—a single year, exceeding Shador Sanders’s four-year rookie deal of $4.6M. (53:24)
  • Ocho: “For premium passers, this is what they get. But you gotta be premium.” (54:08)
  • Transfer portal is overflowing: “Stop hitting the portal before you think about it. Don’t run from competition!” (55:34)
  • Uncle Ocho: “If you that boy, you that boy, no matter where you at.” (57:46)

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7. Listener Q&A, Storytelling, & Life Lessons (59:40 – End)

• Notable Exchanges

  • World Cup favorites, wild college experiences, and relationship wisdom from Ocho and Joe—laugh-out-loud stories about “learning the hard way” with love and heartbreak.
    • “Down here, we call her a goer.” (Uncle Ocho, 63:26)
    • “Difference is…a guy is fine being number two. He don’t really care about being number one!” (Joe Johnson, 65:49)
  • Sports hypotheticals: What if Shaq could shoot like Curry? “He’d average 100 a night!” (80:39)
  • Lions, Dolphins, and coaching carousel updates.

• Advice to Aspiring Podcasters

  • “Even when you don’t feel like it, you gotta do it. You gotta put the time in. I want to know what you’re willing to sacrifice to achieve that success.” (61:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “For you to win with a small guard as your lead guy—it ain’t happen very often… For the most part, small guards, you’re not winning with them.”—Joe Johnson (06:40)
• “He’s playing from the shoulders up, while the rest of these dudes playing from the shoulders down.”—ISO Joe on LeBron (31:03)
• “When you great, they expect you to be great forever...that’s when you know you’re great.”—Joe Johnson (36:05)
• “Even when you don’t feel like it, you gotta do it. You gotta put the time in.”—Joe Johnson (61:58)
• “If Shaq could shoot like Curry, he’d average 100 a night!”—Joe Johnson (80:39)
• “Down here, we call her a goer.”—Uncle Ocho (63:26)

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Timestamps of Major Segments

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |---------|-------------|-----------| | Trae Young Trade Block | Panel breaks down Hawks' approach, scenarios, and Young's market | 02:14 – 18:00 | | Knicks & East Preview | Knicks' title hopes, top East teams, player health | 21:33 – 29:00 | | LeBron James’ Longevity | LBJ’s game evolution, aging stars, legacy | 29:00 – 37:51 | | Bleacher Report Overrated List | Panel reacts to controversial NBA rankings | 41:06 – 43:50 | | NFL: Russell & Tua | Hiding injuries, protecting jobs, Tua's future | 44:00 – 53:20 | | College NIL Money | Transfer portal, player market “bag chasing" | 53:24 – 59:40 | | Q&A & Story Time | Podcaster advice, life lessons, audience Q&A | 61:36 – End |

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Tone & Takeaways

• Authentic, witty, insightful: The Nightcap crew blends deep NBA/NFL knowledge with relatable humor and life experience.
• Unvarnished truths: Whether critiquing team moves, NIL money, or relationship dynamics, the panel keeps it 100.
• Entertaining & inclusive: Room for both die-hard sports debate and off-court wisdom. If you missed the show, you didn’t miss a beat, thanks to the hosts’ storytelling and candid advice.

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See terms all right Joe According to Shams, four time NBA All Star Trey Young and his agent are working with the team on a trade. Young's rep and the Hawks general Manager Ansi Salah have reportedly begun positive and collaborative talks over the past week on finding a resolution. The Hawks and Young agents have maintained dialogue over the future of his future over the past several months since the franchise elected not to offer the contract extension to a 27 year old guard. Young have this season and next at 95 million total on the deal with a player option in the off season. Young has been the face of the franchise since he was drafted in 2018, and since as the team's all time leader in three points, three pointers and assists. He has led Atlanta to the postseason three times in his eight years, including a run in the Eastern conference finals in 2021. But the Hawks appear poised to turn the page of a new era with the emergence of Jalen Johnson, who's averaging 24 points a game, 10.2 rebounds and 8.5 assists, and free agent acquisition to kill Alexander Walker, who's averaging a career high 20 points. Joe? Yeah. What is the best trade scenario for the Hawks and Trey at this point?

[ISO Joe]

I've been. Uncle Ocho, I've been hearing a lot. Honestly, honestly, I don't know what's the best trade scenario. But due to, you know, Nakia Alexander, you know, he stepped up, he's been playing. I mean, he's having a career season. You get guys like Vic come off the bench. The Daniels kid who's been playing Daniels, Dyson Daniels. But I think we run into kind of similar situation that Dallas ran into. They didn't want to pay Luca no 300 million. And I think this is kind of, kind of similar. I don't think that the Hawks don't want Trey. I just don't think they at that max dollar number, you know what I mean? So instead of probably letting him just walk, they gonna have to trade him. They gonna have to trade him and get some of value for him. I'm for the play. I'm with the players, bro. I want guys to get their money and at the end of the day, I know Trey want to get paid. So, you know, they, I'm sure they gonna figure out a situation to put him in to where he can, you know, still thrive, do his thing and get paid. At the end of the day, the.

[Joe Johnson]

Problem that they're going to run into Joe and Ocho is that teams are going to be unwilling to give up young pieces for you to get back. Because he wants to go to a situation where he can win. It'll be like if you're not careful, you're playing Carmelo, Carmelo left the Nuggets to go to the Knicks, but the Knicks had to give up all the pieces to get him. And so we got there. There was nothing. This is not a situation where, you know like a kd, KD walked to the Golden State. They still had Clay, they still had Steph, they still had Draymond.

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[Joe Johnson]

They still had to get Houston. They still had Pieces around. When you trade All Star, I mean normally you have to, you got to strip it down and who wants to be stripped down and, and, and, and go into that situation?

[ISO Joe]

Man, I've been, I mean, I can only go off of things that I've been seeing and hearing, but I seen him going to The Wizards for CJ McCollum Just because the contracts work out and CJ will be on, he on the expiring contract. So the Hawks will probably take it, but you never know. I'm telling you, it's gonna be some big moves made around here, man, come February in the NBA, it's gonna be some, some big names that's gonna be moved. And at the end of the day, bro, just. Trey got it. He got to keep, he gotta, he gotta stay strong in faith, bro, keep his head right. But I know you want to get paid, but out of anything, I know you want to get paid because he's.

[Joe Johnson]

Looking at like, man, I've been to four, I'd have been to four all star games. I've been an all NBA selection, I've led the league in assist. I've been a 2010 guy. I've numerous, yeah, I've had a career high. I think I've averaged 27, 28 points a game while averaging double digit assists. And I see guys getting 250, 300 million. I want my slice of it. And hello, I, I can't say that I blame him, but.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I don't either.

[Joe Johnson]

But who is gonna. Where can he get, where can he get that? Because I don't, I mean you, I mean for you to win with a small guard as your lead guy, it ain't happen very often. It's not, it doesn't happen very often. I mean if you go back, you look at Steph, you look at Isaiah, Thomas, Iverson, I mean, when you look at, I mean, Iverson lost the Shaq and ain't no, ain't no shame in losing the Shaq and Kobe when you are, when you're a one man show. But for the most part, small guards, you're not winning with them. Joe, you know, six, six foot, I Mean, and if Trey lucky to be six, six foot guards in today's game.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Today's game is a little different. You playing positionless basketball, these dudes, it's not necessarily. It ain't but a handful of teams who really have a center on their team. The rest of them playing with like size guys who are very interchangeable and can play multiple positions.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[ISO Joe]

You know what I mean? So. And the Hawks kind of have that, and they've been pretty successful, you know, and playing those big lineups. So. I mean, it's unfortunate, bro, but they. I'm sure they probably gonna end up trading him. I just hope he goes to a situation that's suitable for him, but for a winning situation. Ocho. I don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't either. Go ahead.

[ISO Joe]

He can go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, I was gonna ask.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, I know I'm getting my basketball knowledge on, so I've been watching a little bit, seeing what's going on with the NBA, understanding the landscape and, and when I look at it, even though he's short in what he does, I know he's a liability on defense, but what about what he brings for you offensively? His offensive production is much, much higher than, than most at his position. Even though he is short, wouldn't that be advantageous for a team to be able to be able to trade for him?

[ISO Joe]

But based on what he can do, even though he's a liability on defense, I think offensively. Oo, I don't have no problem with him offensively because he, he makes guys around him better. Know what I mean? He's a guy who can go out there and get you 30. He can go out and get you 15, 17 assists with it, you know what I mean? So he gonna have. He can make guys around him better. I think it's more so the defensive end that team's gonna have to kind of make up, you know what I mean? But I think he's a hell of a player, bro. And I've been watching him for quite some time and like I said, these guys have made quantum leaps and bounds, meaning the Atlanta Hawks. But I just feel like with Trey out there, bro, I thought that he would bring an element to him that they all would still thrive. And I've been watching the games when he's been playing and they just hadn't been resulting in the wins, but they, they've been putting up monster numbers, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

I got a question. I got a question too now. You got Ja Morant, right?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got Trey Young, my Young bull, New York Knicks point guard, Brunson. Brunson. Now if I'm not mistaken, is Brunson like this elite, elite defender, but you, but he's a scorer.

[Joe Johnson]

They did in John, in John and.

[Uncle Ocho]

John Marant an elite defender.

[Joe Johnson]

But what they did, but he's a scorer. Elite defenders around him. You look at, you look at what Josh Hart, you look at over og, you look at, yeah. Mitchell Robinson, Mikhail Bridges, you see what they surrounded with elite defenders. You look at, you look what they had in Memphis. They had Dylan Brooks, they had Jackson the third, you had a Stephen Adams and now you got a Ed Eady. So. Yeah, but see the thing is it's hard, it's hard to win when you got three or four defenders on there, unless you got guys like okc. But those guys can score and defend. And the thing is that they understand this is Shay's team. J Dub is number two, chance number three. Everybody understands the pecking order. And it's like when we come in, if we want to get shots, we got to defend at elite level.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, they defense, they defense create offensive opportunities.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Shay is taking both shots. Shay's off mostly. If they play 82 games, the games that Shay play, he's gonna take the most shots damn near every night. Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

No matter what.

[Joe Johnson]

So you understand that. But it's just hard. You look at Luke as another one and see the problem is if it's a nipped up ball game, I'm putting Trey in the pick and roll every night, the whole night in the last, in the, in clutch time, the last five minutes of the ball game, the game within five points. Trey Young ass is in pick and roll. Luka Donch's ass is in pick and roll. Austin Reeves asses in pick and roll.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it's almost damn near unfair that you, these players that are, that give you such high volume and such high offensive output is almost like they villainize for being able to do it. Because something has to give. You can't be both on, you can't be great on both ends of the floor.

[ISO Joe]

Yes you can.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, hey Joe, it's only so many.

[ISO Joe]

I know, I know it's only so many. But oh, I think that the effort, the energy and effort, you gotta be.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, Joe, say it's effort to want to play defense and you, you gotta.

[ISO Joe]

To play defense, bro. Like you gotta want to do that, you know what I mean? Like that's gotta be kind of in you. And that's hard to find, bro. It's hard to Find guys who really want to defend. Everybody so caught up in scoring the basketball, right? Making a sweet pass. But you ain't gonna never find a lot of dudes who want to pick up full court and get down and dirty and play defense, bro. They.

[Joe Johnson]

That's hard to find because those guys don't get max contracts that do that. The Shades get max contract. The, The. The Lucas, the yic, the Giannis, those guys get the max contract. The Jason Tatums, those are the guys that get the max contract. So. Oo, it's just like wide receivers. Who gets the max contract? Guys that catch the football, not blockers.

[Uncle Ocho]

The football, not the blockers. Yeah, yeah, I got you.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, hey, look. You look at them teams that Iverson played on that Philly team, it was all defenders.

[Joe Johnson]

He was the only offense, and he.

[ISO Joe]

Was the only one out there going haywide. He could shoot, shot. He wanted to, you know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Need somebody to take the ball out for him. Somebody got to take the ball out. Ocho the kid, babe wasn't trying to get. Tyrone Hill wasn't trying to get no shots. Eric Snow wasn't trying to get no shots. McKee wasn't trying to get. Hey, nah. Your job is to get the ball off the glass and pitch it back out to me if I miss.

[ISO Joe]

Yep. Hey, hey, you laughing. Hey, Ojo, you laughing. But he had all blue collar workers, bro. Yeah, I'm talking about dudes doing all the dirty work. All the dirty work.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's crazy.

[ISO Joe]

So you can't play like that nowadays. It's over with.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, that money, that money done got. Look, I think guys want to win, but I think guys want to get paid more. I want to get. I want to win Ocho and Joe, but I want to win. Try to get me 25 and 7. Can I do that? I ain't really trying to. I ain't trying to win. To get 10. And see, the thing is, it's gonna be hard, Ocho, because it's just like any. It's just like anything. How you ask a receiver to go from catching 100 ball, 90, 100, 110 balls, all of a sudden we need you to catch 50, but you gonna win, man. Damn that right now, if you get him, if you get him coming in, and that's what he's used to. He cool with it, right? But averaged 27 points and 10, 11 assist, you don't let him get to the All Star game. Being all NBA selection average of 25, 27. And now all of a Sudden you say now, you know, we need you to average 18, but we need to play, play a little. Oh, no.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. But I think, I think wherever he do go, I think he's, I think he gonna thrive, though. He gonna get back to, he gonna get, he gonna get back to that, that 25, 27 points a game. Let him assist wherever he go. Cause he's probably gonna have to go play with a bunch of young guys if I'm just keeping it 100.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, he gonna pull up from anywhere.

[Joe Johnson]

I just think the thing is gonna be hard for him to be in a winning situation and play the style that he used to play in.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

[Joe Johnson]

It's hard, man. It's hard. A six one. Now KD change teams. Okay, you know what KD is? KD is extremely efficient. Katie don't need, but KD don't need but somewhere between 12 and 17 shots to get you 30. Giannis, you know, Giannis is efficient. Cuz Yanis is Euro stepping. He dunk it. Every once in a while he'll get hot and hit turnarounds. But you know what you're getting, you know, but you know what you're getting with those guys. It's hard, man. It's just hard. And I, I, I feel bad because you look at it the way the landscape is around the league, I'm trying to look where he can go and be in a winning situation and still be himself. I got places he could go and get those numbers, but I don't know if you're going to be able to challenge for a championship.

[ISO Joe]

I mean, he can go to a winning situation. It may not be 25 to 10. He may go about 20, 20 and 8. But I just feel like, because Unk, even though he's so great at handling the basketball and making plays for himself and others, I feel like he can play off the ball as well. Like, I've seen him play. I've seen multiple games this year to where he's had, you know, big scoring nights, you know, playing off Jalen Johnson vs. Jalen Johnson playing off him as well. So it's kind of, it's like, it's just the games that they've played, they haven't been winning. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson]

The worst thing to happen is that he got injured and they got a long, extensive look at Jalen Johnson. They got a long, extensive look at those other guys. Ocho. That's why starting quarterbacks don't like to get no backups, no reps. Peyton ain't let nobody get no reps. Tom wasn't letting nobody get no reps. Drew wasn't letting anybody get in the damn reps. Because the last thing I know how I got my black ass on the field. Oh, excuse me, my white ass on the field. Because somebody let me get a look. I ain't trying to do that. So him being out hurt him. But it was a blessing for the Hawks because they're like, hold on. I don't know if Jalen Johnson would have been able to do this and if Trey is healthy, because Trey's going to dominate the ball, Joe, and he's going to have the ball in his hands. And I don't know if Jalen Johnson is going to have the ball in his hands. I don't know if these other guys are Walker. I don't know if they're going to be able to do what they do.

[ISO Joe]

I think, I think Walker's been the biggest surprise. Uncle Ocho, he averaged eight points last year a game in Minnesota. That man averaging 20 points a game. I'm talking about efficient.

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[Joe Johnson]

And he came up the bench. Is he still coming out the picture? He's starting now, Joe.

[ISO Joe]

Nah, he's starting. He's starting now. He's starting now. He, he balling. He doing his thing. Man. They, they got a multitude of dudes. That's, that's really getting to it over here. Playing great, probably having career years as well. So I guess they gonna kind of ride it out, see whatever they gonna try to add.

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[Joe Johnson]

Damn Joe the New York Knicks owner James Jo Dolan, in a rare radio interview, says the Knicks can win the NBA Finals as constructed. I say we want to get to the finals and we should win the finals this Is sports. Anything can happen. Getting to the finals, we absolutely have to do. Winning the finals, we should do. Look how far we got with our group last year, and look at we planned and who wasn't. We're going into the second half of the season. Josh Hart is still out. Landry Shammond is coming back. We got depth. We stay healthy, we'll get into the playoffs in a much better condition than last year. Joe, do you believe the Knicks is currently constructed can get to. And win the NBA championship?

[ISO Joe]

I think they can get to the finals, Uncle Ocho, you know, like the key word is that he said was staying healthy. You know, you gotta stay healthy, man. The. The playoffs is a different atmosphere. It's a different pace and game guys playing extra hard. So, you know, you gotta stay healthy, but at the same time, man, you gotta look at the Pistons, the Celtics, who we didn't even think was gonna even be in the running, but they've been.

[Joe Johnson]

Jalen Brunson, who. I mean, Jalen Brown, J.B. brown.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Got a 50p. Lane average of damn near 30. Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Ever since he got there, Ever since he stopped putting that air.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, he let it go.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. He been getting to it. So I think. Yeah, I think the Knicks got a chance, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

They got.

[ISO Joe]

They definitely got a chance. They got. They got Molly whopped in in Detroit tonight, but I think they definitely got a chance, man. They got a chance.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I agree. I. I like the Sixers, but I just don't know if Joel Embiid will ever be what Joel Embiid once was. Because Tyrese Max and Edgecombe, they balling. They balling, man. Tyrese Maxey, I like, should be an all star.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I should.

[Uncle Ocho]

He.

[ISO Joe]

Is he gonna be an all NBA that man, 30 a game.

[Joe Johnson]

He getting at it.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Maxi.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. It don't matter if MB play or not, though. He getting to it.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know if they can get to the championship without Embiid, though. I don't know if they can contend because they need Embiid.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, they need him. They need him. They need him.

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[ISO Joe]

If he. If he can somehow, you know, stay healthy throughout the playoffs and just be. And be there to where, like.

[Joe Johnson]

Because I.

[ISO Joe]

Even when he been playing Uncle Ocho, he's still been giving them anywhere from 20, 25 a night now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

And B has easy right now.

[Joe Johnson]

The. The Pistons 27 and 9. The Celtics are 23 and 12. They're in second place. The Knicks are 23 and 13. The Raptors 22 and 15. The Sixers are 19 and 15. Orlando Magic is 20 and 16. The Heat 20 and 16. The Cavaliers are 20th and 17. I don't know what happened this year.

[ISO Joe]

What happened, Joe, man, I don't need, you know, because it's, I look at Mobley, I think Mobley has to, he, he, he got to go up another level or two for me, Uncle Ocho, to help, to help Donovan. I know Darius Garland been hurt and I think he, you know, he stubbed that big toe the other night. So I think that's always, the, the, the injury is gonna always linger with him. But Donovan need help, man. He needs something. He gonna need another guy who can come along and help tote this wagon.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

I don't know. Cleveland, they, they, it might be over with. That, it might be over. It might be over with for that man.

[Joe Johnson]

And Donovan still. They didn't sign Donovan to a long term deal, have they? I think he's still on that Utah deal. Is it? I think so.

[ISO Joe]

I think Donovan probably want to go somewhere else anyway.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you want to go to the Knicks?

[ISO Joe]

I. Yeah, that's, that's where you want to go?

[Uncle Ocho]

You said Miami.

[ISO Joe]

Nah, hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

How you gonna go to the Knicks and Brunson there? What are you gonna run to.

[Joe Johnson]

He need the ball in his hand. They don't, they don't fit well.

[Uncle Ocho]

But he, he can't go to the Knicks.

[Joe Johnson]

He signed extension last summer. What'd he get? Signed three year 150.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah, that was last year.

[Joe Johnson]

I know he, he ain't brought it because he needs the ball. Yeah, Brunson needs the ball.

[ISO Joe]

The Knicks got a chance.

[Joe Johnson]

They do. They do.

[ISO Joe]

They got a chance.

[Joe Johnson]

They got.

[ISO Joe]

I know they riding.

[Joe Johnson]

You got guys that can defend. You got Mikhail Bridges, you got og you got Josh Hart who could defend. You get guys, Miles McBride off the bench. You got Jordan Clarkson off the bench that can squirt once in a bunch. You got Mitchell Robinson that can defend the paint and catch. Cat. Cat, you know.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Cat on a given night can go get your 40. I just wish sometimes he starts, stop shooting threes and get his big butt down the block at 7 foot tall. But hey, hey.

[ISO Joe]

And you know, and you know they still hung over from the in season tournament that they won too. So I know they feeling good about that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hold on. Y' all mentioned about the players that the actual starters that can get your points and what they could do.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

What about the bench? What? The bench.

[Joe Johnson]

They got Miles McBride, Jordan Clark, Mitchell Robinson. They got guys that can defend the Paint. You know, Mikhail Bridges gonna play damn near 45 minutes. Well, hopefully Mike Brown don't play him like Phil's Tibbs did. Cause he played them guys 42 minutes in the regular season.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. Nah, he got it. Mike Brown got it down. He ain't having that over there.

[Uncle Ocho]

I forgot. Hey, I forgot. I forgot. Jordan Clarkson was over there in New York.

[Joe Johnson]

So he's a guy that can come off and give you instant offense off the bench. Miles McBride is instant offense off the bench. Mitchell Robinson, now he's a defender, but he'll get your double digit rebounds. He might have six points, 15 rebounds, but that's what you need, somebody to protect the paint. That's what, that's all you need. Cat. Cat is going to be Cat now. He's in a much better head space now. Look, he got engaged recently. So normally that, normally, hey, guys normally go to a new level when they get, when they get, when they get that, that someone solid in their life. Now they've been together for a minute and remember talking to him, I mean he was like, you know, this is my best friend. When I went through my worst time, you know, losing the passing of his mother, she was there, she held me down. And he said the same thing. And I think, I think her father her had passed in the family and he was there for her. So yeah, I'm happy for Cat. I like Cat. I just wish he stopped shooting so many threes. Other than that, I got no issue with Cat.

[ISO Joe]

He ain't gonna do that. He said he the best shooting big man that ever lived.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, but Dirk Navisky.

[ISO Joe]

What you mean? Where he at?

[Joe Johnson]

He and he. I'm saying, did he not exist?

[ISO Joe]

He said, he said Dirk can't shoot the three better than him. Lord, I'm just tell you what the man said.

[Joe Johnson]

Now. I don't know, it's hard for me to take somebody over Dirk. When I, I saw Dirk in his.

[ISO Joe]

Prime, I played against him in his prime.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't talking about the last three years of Dirk. I'm talking about Dirk a year a ne.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I'm talking about when he getting to that money. I'm talking about you only thing you can do is hold your hand up.

[Joe Johnson]

And hope he missed.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, that was it.

[Joe Johnson]

And we ain't even mentioned yoke yet, but we're gonna let that slide. Despite recently celebrating his 44th birthday, first birthday in his 23rd NBA season, LeBron James thinks his game is still as strong as it's ever been. Speaking to reporters after Sunday's 12114 win over the Grizzly. LeBron said I don't have any holes in my game that has allowed him, allowed him to help the Lakers be successful this season. That statement came after LeBron moved into second place in the NBA all times assist list when you combined the regular season and playoff games, surpassing Banana Boat partner Chris Paul. But you have to look when LeBron didn't have an outside game when he got into the league for in order for you to play a long time when the game has evolved, you have to evolve and adapt with it.

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[Joe Johnson]

He's been able to do that. Yeah, he was maybe a downhill guy. He went to King, he went to Houston, he got that turnaround. He got better at the 3. Now his 3 is a little off. This year he's shooting 30% when he's a career, I think 35% shooter. I think last year he was like 37%. So this year his free throws are down. His free throws under 70% when I think he's shot 78% last year. But you got to realize you're asking him to do something that he really hadn't done his whole career, and that's play off the ball. LeBron normally has the ball in his hands the majority of the time. Luca or AR will have the ball in their hands. So he's having to to reinvent himself in year 23 at the ripe age of 41. Does he have the athleticism that he had in his 20s? No. Does he have the athleticism he had in his early to mid-30s? No, but he still got. He still can get downhill when he wants to. He just can't get down as consistently as he once could. He still hit that turnaround jumper and if that turnaround jump is falling you at his mercy.

[ISO Joe]

But, but the thing is, akin Ocho, he playing from the shoulders up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe]

While the rest of these dudes playing from the shoulders down. See, he. His IQ for the game is so high. You know, he's so intelligent as a player that he's always gonna be effective. He knows how to affect the game, you know, kind of, he lets the game kind of come to him. Now sometimes he a little. He a little bit more aggressive, but for the most part, he kind of feels the game out and he kind of brings what he feel the game, what he feel is needed in order for them to get over the hump. It's still impressive to watch him play, man. He still looks like he's in great shape. And for me, that's probably the biggest key, Uncle Ocho, because once you get up in age, it's hard to keep that weight off you.

[Joe Johnson]

It is.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, who. Hey, you. Hey, who you telling.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, I think it is, Joe. It's also hard. As you get older. The biggest thing that I noticed when I got older, I just couldn't do it with the same frequency as I once could. I could have a big game, but I was gonna put them things. I wasn't gonna be stringing them together. LeBron used to go 30, 30, 30, 30, 40, 30, 25, 28. Now is 17. It's 8, 26, 28, 15. It's just. As you get older, you just can't. Your body just. And you still got the same mind.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, he don't. But you know what it is? He don't. He don't be pressing out there. No, you know, he.

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[ISO Joe]

He looks for those other guys to get those other guys involved to where the game can become easier for him. You know what I mean? So I. I think it's just as impressive to watch him nowadays than it was when he was younger. Because when he was younger, he was all athleticism. He was using that to the T. Now he's just outsmarting these guys now, man.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's what happens. You have to evolve. You have to play the game with your mind because you lose athleticism. And when you lose and when you're so reliant on that, when that goes, what can you do? That's why it's so hard for speed guys to play. I mean, that's why I said work on your technique, because you're not gonna be as fast, you're not gonna be as strong, you're not gonna be able to jump as high. But that technique, being able to get in and out of them breaks, Ocho. Oh, yeah. That'll keep you in the league another year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, I didn't. Hey, hey, Ocho. I didn't know this. Joe, let me know if this is true. If you play three years in the league, you get what medical. You play four years in the league, your family get it. You play five years in the league, everybody get it for life.

[ISO Joe]

It's something like that, huh? It's something like that. I don't know about the three, four years, but I know.

[Joe Johnson]

Cause I saw Yavaceli, he had the Knicks. He was saying that's why he gonna play in the NBA.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, for the medical. Well, hey, look, the. The. The medical benefits have been good.

[Joe Johnson]

If.

[ISO Joe]

That what y' all want. To know they. They've been good. I ain't gonna lie to you, boy. They don't get down, they'll hook y' all up. In football, you get five years.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe, the first three years.

[Joe Johnson]

No, the three years, you get your pension. Four years is medical. In five years, the family get medical forever.

[ISO Joe]

I'm talking about. Are you saying if you play.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Yes. In the NBA, y' all got. No, we don't get that. No matter how long you play, you get it for five years. That's it. You get it while you playing, and five years after you play, you get to take it any five years you want to. Hey, there.

[ISO Joe]

It's a cold game. What?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, but look. Yeah, it's been impressive to watch a lot. A lot of people gonna have to come up with some new podcasts because ain't gonna be no more hating on LeBron. Cause what they gonna say then?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, and they gonna. Hey, let me tell you something. They gonna miss that man when he gone, bro. Like, I know people talk a lot of trash. He got a lot of people who love him and love him, but he also got people who hate him as well. But, boy, I'm telling you, they gonna miss that boy when he gone, they gonna miss him.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, but look, that's. That's. That's where we are right now. Look, I. I mean, he's 41. He ain't getting no younger. He wants to stay in the game. He's gonna have to. You have to evolve your game. You have to evolve. And. And I. I can't believe people expected a man 41 years old to my. He don't play no defense. What? 41 year. Let me ask you a question. When Ben Wallace was 35, was he playing defense like he was? When he was 25, 26, the Kimbertumbo, was he playing defense like he was. What about. What about Rodman? So you mean to tell me you expect somebody in their 40s to play defense like they did in the 20s and the early 30s? Come on, chat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, you know, they hold. They. You know, they hold. They hold. LeBron.

[Joe Johnson]

And the real fact that y' all got those kind of expectations let you know just how great he was? Yeah, because let's be real, y' all didn't have the same level of expectation. Kobe, you're 16, you're 17, you're 18, you're 19, you're 20. Jordan, y'. All. What y' all take? Man, that was just ceremony. Oh. But I said, well, if he'd won a championship, Would have been a ceremonial ring. No, but LeBron, you just got a different level of expectation. That's when you know you great. When people still see you like you were when you was 20. When you in your 20s and early 30s Ocho and they still hold you to that standard. That's when you know you great.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. When they they feel like it ain't never supposed to be no dip in nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

And we know seen it. Tom Brady, Manny, they had the same expectation when Tom was in year to what? 23, 21, 22, 23. Man. Tom should go to Buddy. You don't realize the man fought at 3:44 and you still expected to be out of. Yep, man, the man they gave Peyton Manning a 10 chance to ever be able to have the full feeling in his right arm. Well, he paid Manning. Damn. I ain't give no grace. Nope. When you great, they expect you to be great forever. You think they give, they give. They don't give Ronaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo any great leave. They do the Ocho. They expect me to be Lionel Messi.

[Uncle Ocho]

No leeway they expecting. Yeah, the expectations are high for them.

[ISO Joe]

With the amount of money the boy making over there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, date different.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh Joe.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[Joe Johnson]

What they get right, Joe? What they get wrong?

[ISO Joe]

They say Michael Porter Jr. Overrated. That man averaged almost 26 a game.

[Joe Johnson]

Man.

[ISO Joe]

Man, that man over there balling. He told y' all what he was going to do. He said he was going to average about 25. He averaged about 26 a game. He just gave it. He just gave the Nuggets the business last night. I don't think they right on that one. They get that. That one. Never wrong.

[Joe Johnson]

What about Kaminga saying he's overrated?

[ISO Joe]

I don't think Kaminga overrated. I think he need to be in a situation where you Know he can play, actually. I mean, Kurt just ain't messing with it.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know why. Just let. Not let him go. Why you bring him back? Y' all do all this hullabaloo and bring it back to just sit it, park his ass on the bench.

[ISO Joe]

Because it's like that. It's like that. It's like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Ex.

[ISO Joe]

Girl, when y' all broke up, you.

[Joe Johnson]

Don'T want nobody else to have you don't want them, but you don't want nobody else to have you.

[ISO Joe]

Y' all don't. Hey, oh, show y' all don't broke up, so you ain't seen in a little while. So when you see again, you're like, oh, okay. We might can make this work.

[Uncle Ocho]

Me.

[ISO Joe]

They just ain't playing them. What you doing?

[Joe Johnson]

They call you. You ain't heard from somebody in three months. What you doing? Not talking.

[Uncle Ocho]

Not you.

[Joe Johnson]

You know you miss me. Big head, right? Yo, you know they thought they throw that big head in there. Well, you know, kinda. Then they got Paulo Banchero, and then was number two, and LaMelo Ball was number one. But I don't know about Paulo, man. Paulo balling.

[Uncle Ocho]

He be balling.

[ISO Joe]

I don't think his numbers ain't been what they were.

[Joe Johnson]

What they were last year when he was an all Star, huh?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, they ain't. They ain't been there. And I think because Lamelo ain't. Ain't never won. Being in Charlotte, everybody got him. Overrated, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

And Lamelo. Hey, Joe. Hey. Lamello a baller, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's a who. He listen. He's the. The. When you talk about Hoopers, he's that every essence of it, you know, Maybe a little flashy for some coaches, but hey, listen, he's a joy to watch. He's a player that'll put butts in the seats. Because if you're going to watch the goddamn Hornets play, you. You're going to watch Lamelo.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, he gonna give you some highlights. But being stuck in Charlotte.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, yo, we don't gave you your basketball talk. Now we going back to football. Oh. Pro Football Talk reported Russell Wilson has a parting gift for the Giants in the form of an inevitable NFL investigation regarding two. Oh, excuse me. Regarding an undisclosed grade two hamstring tear he says he suffered on the last play of practice, week two game against Dallas. Russ responded to the report, said not the Giants fault. They did not know because I didn't want to tell anyone because of the circumstances. I had to play through and try to go out there and ball that day, but we were going to win that wild, crazy game. Wow, Ocho, what you making this ojo?

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, listen, it happens all the time, huh? Most of the time, players get hurt.

[Joe Johnson]

Especially with that.

[Uncle Ocho]

That, too. Hey, Joe. They want to play, Joe. I mean, you know, too. You don't want to let not just yourself down. You don't want the team let your teammates down. You don't. And you don't want. You don't want to allow someone else to take.

[Joe Johnson]

You drafted the quarterback in the first.

[Uncle Ocho]

Round, Ocho, and that's exactly why he got his ass out there on that goddamn field, regardless what injury he suffered in practice. I'm not let. I'm not letting my spot up. If I'm gonna lose it, I'm not gonna lose it on the bench, right? That ain't happening. Ain't happening.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, I'm with you on that. Hey, that little hamstring, you're gonna have to take this thing up. But you think I'm finna squander this opportunity and sit over here because I got a hurt hamstring?

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Uncle Ocho]

And listen. And malice already short. Malice is already short anyway, because you drafted him. So I know at some point I got to go anyway, but I'm gonna go on my terms. Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Who he do.

[ISO Joe]

Who he do this against?

[Joe Johnson]

Huh? I think it was the last pay of practice before the Dallas game. The man threw for almost five. He threw for 450, didn't he? They lost it overtime, if I'm not mistaken.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he got.

[Joe Johnson]

Ben.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got benched.

[Joe Johnson]

That.

[Uncle Ocho]

He got benched the next week after that game. He had a hell of a game, Joe.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I was watching. I couldn't believe it.

[Uncle Ocho]

He was out there cooking. Boy, that's the one. Malik Neighbors went crazy towards the end, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

What do you end up with?

[ISO Joe]

Man threw a career high against her.

[Joe Johnson]

That ain't saying much, though, Joe. Everybody threw a career high against y' all for the rest of the year. Against y'. All.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, you ain't lying. You ain't lying. You ain't lying.

[Joe Johnson]

I only think they won another game after that, though.

[ISO Joe]

Oo, I'm with you. Where you right.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[ISO Joe]

And my blood pressure watching them Cowboys, man.

[Joe Johnson]

He got. No, he got benched after the Chiefs game. Yeah, he threw 450 that game against the Cowboys. Yeah, I. I think the thing is, look, the last two years, you know who had the biggest cap number on the Broncos or show?

[Uncle Ocho]

He gone now, ain't he?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Russ carried the Biggest cap number against for the Broncos the last two years. He was the highest paid player and wasn't on the team, man.

[ISO Joe]

He wouldn't give me all nothing in Denver, man. What happened?

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't wait. Boy, your guess is as good as mine.

[ISO Joe]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

You probably should be a little leery if a team wanting to get off a quarterback. Cause they so hard to come by, Ocho. They are so hard to come by, Joe. And for a team to be willing to trade you, You couldn't offer. You couldn't offer. I mean, and not to say Russ was a top five quarterback, but Russ was in the MVP running for a couple of years and then he would, you know, fall to down the stretch. But Russ, you can make a case that Russ was a top 10 quarterback in Seattle those last couple years on Joe.

[ISO Joe]

Absolutely.

[Uncle Ocho]

That that would be a great argument. That would be a great debate because he actually was so.

[Joe Johnson]

And then I know he wanted the contract and it's like, nah, we see slippage and you know, he wanted out. They found Denver. Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

And then Sean Payton got there and all hell broke news.

[Joe Johnson]

Sean old school. I don't know if you ever been around Sean, but Sean.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, I know Mr. Payton.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, yeah, he don't play none of that. He don't play none of that. He parcels, you know. Parcels don't play none of that. So those guys, you know, come up like that. That's how they coach. He's like that, he's like, nah, this here n we're not having this. And but you got to be strong to play for Sean. You got to be strong. Yeah, he gonna be. He talk crazy. He talk reckless.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, dude, you remember when B. Nick snapped on him, snapped back on him.

[Joe Johnson]

You remember how he was yelling the offensive lineman jump. You remember in Detroit? Oo we talked about it. The offensive lineman jump. Russ could have to the sideline and he undressed Russ. I like that jump, man, if you don't get out my face, how you mad at me? Because he jumped. But.

[ISO Joe]

Ain'T nothing like them old school coaches, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but these new guys ain't used to that. They not used to. They can't have Jojo.

[ISO Joe]

They can't, they can't handle it. It's very fragile now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you got to be everybody friend. You got to tell everybody how great they are.

[Uncle Ocho]

I, I, hey, they, they shut down quick.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho.

[ISO Joe]

They gone.

[Joe Johnson]

Tua is open to a fresh start after he was benching the team's final three games of the season when he spoke about after McDaniel's decision on Dec. 17 to a declined to comment on whether he had played his final game for the Guppies. Well, his tone shifted during the team's locker room clean out today. Would ask if he'd like a fresh start at the events this season. That would be dope. He said I would be good with it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, listen, listen. He's probably fed up at this point. He's given us that organization, that franchise, everything they can. He's gotten hurt multiple times. He's had concussions. And I think for him, a change of scenery would be fascinating. I think he. He'd welcome that. I think he'd enjoy it. He deserves that. Now. I'm not sure where you can go. We can still have a fair shot that I'm not sure we can go to still have a fair shot to be a starting quarterback. But a chain. A change of scenery would be good for him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, you bro, I would love.

[Uncle Ocho]

I would love from the star somewhere.

[Joe Johnson]

Unc, but we're sports car in Wyoming. What you gonna do with it? You need a pickup truck. Where you gonna go?

[Uncle Ocho]

That was a good one. Hey, that was a good one. Your sports car. I gotta write that down.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm gonna put that in my notes.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm trying. I'm trying. I. I just. I don't know. I mean, when you look around, I mean, are teams. Are teams gonna be willing to give compensation? He got two years still guaranteed on that contract. Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

What they owing.

[Joe Johnson]

What? Probably about 80 million 90.

[Uncle Ocho]

So he get that regardless to where you go though, right?

[ISO Joe]

But. But the other team, whoever you go to, they gotta pay, right?

[Joe Johnson]

But you have dead cap money on your cap.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, tour. So he has a 56.4 million cap next year, huh. I wonder if they going with.

[Joe Johnson]

He got a $56 million cap hit. If they cut him before June 1st, it's basically $100 million dead cap.

[ISO Joe]

Whoa. Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I. I don't see it. I don't see a team taking on a salary. I don't.

[ISO Joe]

You're gonna be right there with the guppies.

[Uncle Ocho]

So what you think? Where you gonna be?

[Joe Johnson]

They probably release him, let him go fight pick on somebody else. Somebody else will let. Look, Ocho, if I know. If I know your house about to go in floor closure, I'm just gonna let. Hey, unless you drop the price, I ain't gonna get. I'll get a lot of foreclosure. I know you're going to Try. I know you. I know you want him gone. I know he wants to be gone. Right. Why am I gonna give you draft capital for. Okay, you take a fourth round of four of you. No, let me take it. You take a fifth or sixth round of four, they're like, nobody gonna take on that salary. They don't want that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. So hold on. Let me understand this. Let's see if they do release it. Right. He still.

[Joe Johnson]

You still get his money? Yes. The same thing with Russ. Remember the Broncos released him and they still owed him $38 million.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah. I think a change of scenery would be good for him.

[Joe Johnson]

I agree.

[Uncle Ocho]

Where? I'm not sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, Texas tech. New quarterback 1 Brandon Soursby will be reportedly earned more in one season of NIL than the value of Shador's contract. Shador Sanders entire four year rookie contract. Shador's four year rookie contract is 4.6 million. Brandon Sorsby will get an estimated $5 million from Texas Tech in one year. In 1987, SMU got the death penalty. They're the only team to receive the death penalty, which means they did away with the football program for paying players $61,000. In 2026, the Texas Tech player. Texas Tech team will pay the quarterback $5 million.

[Uncle Ocho]

I mean, listen, that, that's, that's where the game is going, huh? That's where it's going. You know, for premium passers, this is what they get. But you got to be premium. You got to be premium. See Carson Beck, what, making what, four and a half, four million this year, you know, so. So it's understandable. And I think that number might continue to climb, especially for that position if you're really good at it.

[Joe Johnson]

We saw Levitt leave Arizona State. I think he went to Kentucky. Trinidad Chambliss is replying for a hardship. He's trying to get another year. Like, bro, I ain't trying to leave this right here.

[ISO Joe]

Them boy again paid.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Quarterback left for Indiana, Joe and Ocho. Cause you know, Mendoza's going. He's graded at the top quarterback in the draft. He about to get 45 million fully guaranteed.

[ISO Joe]

His brother ain't that nice. Ain't his brother. Yeah, and one of his brother.

[Joe Johnson]

You like, I can beat you out. I mean, you can't. You can't have a, a Pomeranian or, or Chihuahua trying to guide the chicken coop. Fox is gonna come, possibly gonna come eat the eggs. Fox is gonna come eat the chicken. He better. You better have a barbell or A co. You better have something. Alibi something.

[ISO Joe]

Damn, man. College.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, and. And, you know, players, they need to.

[Joe Johnson]

Stop hitting this portal before you go to it. I think it's reported like, 3, 000 players in the portal, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yep. 3500 and some change, to be exact. And if you. If you hit in the portal, you know, for money reasons, I get it, but I hope you're not running from competition. I hope most of these players, Joe and Unk, they not running from school. School because they don't want to deal with competition. Because when you get to that next level, it ain't nowhere to run. Oh, nah, you got to compete, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

You a free agent. Cincinnati got 20 million for you, and the Denver Broncos got 45. What you doing?

[Uncle Ocho]

Shoes.

[Joe Johnson]

Exactly. I hope you ain't running from competition on your. They got that man $5 million. You 20 years old.

[Uncle Ocho]

What? Oh, yeah. Oh, you. Yeah, I know. That's. That's what I just said.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why I run into the money.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's why I clarified.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Can you imagine? Oo you 20 years old, and they got Oregon State. Say we got. We got. Oh. Oo, we got 500,000. But u dub say, ooh, we got 2 million. Where you going, Ocho?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see you. I'm gonna be watching.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you gonna be able to square catching the fish with that paper?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, the funny thing about it in the market.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. And Unc, this is a life lesson, too, because, you know, you see how them boys following the money, huh? You know, this is the same way of working real life. Sure hunt Joe.

[ISO Joe]

You get a promotion, you know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, come on, now.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, the.

[Joe Johnson]

The.

[Uncle Ocho]

The bigger the bag, the bigger the attraction.

[Joe Johnson]

You're right.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, I couldn't. I couldn't imagine this when I was in school, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

Shoot, I could imagine it. Just the numbers wasn't that big.

[ISO Joe]

But hold up, uncle ocho. Out of 3, 000 kids in the portal, all them dudes ain't trying to get no payday. Some of them are running from the. Running from that. From that smoke.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. You know, and. And, you know, Joe, you think about the quarterback getting 5 million, 3,000 players in the portal ain't getting that kind of money. I still think there's a. That's running from competition. Listen, if you that. If you that boy, you that boy. No matter where you at, you gonna be that boy. No matter where you at. If you like that, like you may like you may think you are. I ain't going no goddamn. Well. Nah.

[ISO Joe]

But I think this was expected, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

You know, it's for guys who playing lower D1s who may have had a great season. Now they. They're going to one of these top piles.

[Joe Johnson]

You see Chambers, he left fair state Oo. He was a D2 quarterback. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

D2 quarterback. Yeah. I saw that story when they played, so that was dope. He trying to get that six years.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because they pay good at Ole Miss. You got him in the playoff this year. Can you imagine what that bag, he gonna get about 3 million, 3, 4 million next year.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Easy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that'll set me up. Because I don't. I don't know how big he is, Ocho. He don't look very tall, but he look good. I mean, he throw the ball and he throw the hell out. The ball on the move.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you do. You know who I thought was small until I watched him play? God damn, I thought Bryce Underwood was small.

[Joe Johnson]

No, he big kid. He like 6, 3, 6 4, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man was big as hell, man.

[ISO Joe]

Kid in Michigan.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't even know that.

[Joe Johnson]

He liked Terrell Pryor. You remember Terrell Pryor?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Anyway, he was Cleveland, too.

[Joe Johnson]

He transitioned. He moved to wide receiver. He left quarterback with the wide receiver at Cleveland. Got a thousand yards.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, that boy Underwood getting. He getting a big bag in Michigan.

[Uncle Ocho]

A.

[Joe Johnson]

He is.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He nice now.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, we gonna get you out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Huh? I miss something? Airplane 98. The Holy Ghost whispers done told me everything's gonna be all right. Go Broncos. Ocho. The 1999 France World cup was a great run of my favorite 26, 2006 squad with Zening Zidane was magic. What was your favorite World Cup?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, my favorite World Cup. Oh, that's a. Oh, that's a great question. That's a loaded question, too.

[Joe Johnson]

1986. Oh, Diego Maradona.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, honestly, even though there have been some great World Cups, my favorite World cup that I was actually able to be in presence for. We had to be in Qatar, France and Argentina. What was that? 20.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that was a good one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yo, with Messi and what you call them. I thought he had it, Mocho. I thought he had it.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. He almost did. And there have been many, many World Cups that were. Are better than that. But the fact that I was there Sitting right there in the front and able to witness it not watching on TV is why I would make that one of my favorites.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, probably 99 for me. To women. The first year. To women. Chastain hit that and took that. I mean, the old guard.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Mia Ham, Brandon Chastain, Brianna Scurry. I remember watching it, like, what a moment.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Aaron Owens, 513. I'm about to start a sports podcast. Got any advice for me? UNC and Ocho? Yeah. You got to be really devoted. You got to spend a lot of time, bro. It ain't no, I don't feel like doing it today. Even when you don't feel like you got to do it, bro, you gotta.

[Uncle Ocho]

Must up the energy.

[Joe Johnson]

Every day. You see, hey, we about to hit, you know, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. Hey, you got to put the time in, bro. Everybody says they want to be successful, but I want to know what you're willing to sacrifice to receive that to achieve that success. Right? It's mad at 22:15 and ISO. How did Joel Embiid had Ocho X when he was rolling up those wires? What? Ocho called his girl in the back. You and J. Cross are my favorite ISO players of all time. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate that, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that was funny, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Dang, Ocho, I feel bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, that. That was a class. That was a classic night one. Classic.

[Joe Johnson]

I know because I heard. I kept hearing people say, man, he. Man, man, he had that girl in the Haitian Hucker book. I say so. That's what the Haitian Hucker book.

[Uncle Ocho]

Let see.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was. No, really, no, really. No reason to feel bad for me, cuz. It was only two weeks. My homeboys have warned me, man. This ain't that, man.

[Joe Johnson]

He pulled that much out of me and your girl in two weeks.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen. Hey, listen. Down here, we call him. She was. She was a goer.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

She was the go.

[ISO Joe]

You just didn't know it. You just didn't know it.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, they told. Hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why he got us so quick.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I was.

[Joe Johnson]

I was.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, that was a freshman, Joe. So I thought, you know, I thought I was doing something.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, No, I was. I was.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was playing way above my pay grade.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's how it be.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know, Joe said she was good. She was so. She was nice and flexible.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Come on, huh? Come on, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I'm good now, though, you know? Hey, listen, I see any signs of anything. Okay, bet. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, hey, Joe. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what that turned me into.

[ISO Joe]

Now I already know.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I don't even play. I see any signs of anything. Oh, so you want to be funny? All right, it's gonna be a comedy show now. Come on, we. Hey, we can. We can both play. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen. Come on, man. Hey, listen. I said that, man. Pull on. I said. Oh, my God. That's an old traffic where he put on it. Oh, Joe, I know it.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, Joe, I know it turned you into a savage, bro.

[Commercial Announcer]

Oh, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Absolutely matter of fact, not. Not Joe. You know what? Obviously, no, not with get to tell you the truth. Not even a savage, because everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt. And. And you should be able to trust everybody. All it take is one.

[Joe Johnson]

It just heighten your awareness. That's all it did, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's it, Joe. It take. It take one thing, Joe. And then.

[ISO Joe]

And.

[Uncle Ocho]

And always. Let me see how I say this the right way without being respectful, because I. I played number two for such a long time.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

When I put myself in the number one position, all the bullshit don't work.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

None of it works. None of the game. None of the lad. None of the. Oh, my. But none of it.

[Joe Johnson]

Difference is, Ocho, between a guy and a lady. See, a guy is fine being number two. He don't really care about being number one. A number one lady, she tried to be number one. The number two lady trying to be number one. Yeah. I'll be back here. Sydney, drums. I don't need to be lead single. I'll never need to get on the microphone. I just beat these drones. Absolutely not.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe. Hey, Joe. Number two is such. Number two was such a beautiful spot. I ain't got to deal with the headache. I ain't got to deal with the fussing. I ain't paying no bills. You come to meet event and I'mma shoulder to cry on.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And also and ride now, man.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going. Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Dead and bubble. Hey, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. I'm perfectly fine being Jerome. What I mirror at od. Od. Hey, I don't need to be mar today. After all, I'm holding the barrel. Hey, I'm doing the bird. Have your.

[ISO Joe]

Don't tell nothing about the bird.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, you.

[Joe Johnson]

I grew up.

[Uncle Ocho]

I grew up on that. Hey, there was a day, Joe. Now. Now I got me a nice little.

[Joe Johnson]

Nice oh, they got Cambodia.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I'm good now, Joe.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, he locked in. He locked in.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, Joe ain't got no problem, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

But you know. Hey, hey, hey, hey. At first, hey, he was like Gattaca. Y' all remember that movie Gattaca with. With a Halle Berry? Everybody was dressed like Ocho. You know when they say got a tight.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, he got a tight.

[Joe Johnson]

What me do he.

[Uncle Ocho]

You think I gotta. You think I got a tight bone?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, what's up? When I get a bag of Skittles?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why I eat every color. I don't pick and choose.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Uncle Ocho]

Pick and choose.

[Joe Johnson]

That man had a party, had a Oso girl. Hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at.

[ISO Joe]

He can't help himself.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, come on. Hey, Unc, man, come on. Hey, hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, this. Hey, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

This way back in 1992.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

[ISO Joe]

But, but you know that feeling, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, we didn't. Hey, we didn't all been there.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

We didn't all. We didn't all. We didn't all been there.

[ISO Joe]

That why I say, boy, it scarred you a little bit, but that's.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, it scarred me to the point where I have. I, I. I approach things with a better understanding.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Like, even if we. That doesn't belong to me, that's not my property. Come on, Aunt, what you. He what this guy? What that is.

[Joe Johnson]

Why you got got.

[Uncle Ocho]

Birthday stuff.

[ISO Joe]

You throwing out tonight?

[Joe Johnson]

Oo, hey, Uncle.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, uncle. Off that liquor tonight, boy.

[ISO Joe]

He can't help himself. He can't help himself.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at.

[ISO Joe]

He can't help himself.

[Joe Johnson]

He can't help.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, I bet some of the people in the chat lost, they might not know what the hell we talking about.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, they know what he's talking about.

[Uncle Ocho]

They would have had to be here for that show.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, you got some more stories.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, I got, I got about. I got about two more, but I ain't gonna tell you tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, my goodness, man. Oh, man, I'm sorry, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Now, you good, you good, you good, you good. You know, it's good to let y'. All. You laughing at my pain.

[Joe Johnson]

I would do that, Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, you know, you gotta think this back in 92, so it don't really mean it don't make me nothing no more.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Me and my homeboy just happened.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, what's wrong with it, Ojo?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, hey, he on that liquor tonight, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

I have no Water tonight I had no liquor.

[ISO Joe]

Tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't drinking. I'm saving that. I'm saying Saturday and Sunday.

[Uncle Ocho]

Are you sober? Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Chad. I'm sorry, child. We gotta get through this. We gotta get through this. Come on. We got some more Q A. Ocho already told you that Judy is the number one. What more do you need to see?

[Uncle Ocho]

Wait, I ain't hear that anymore.

[Joe Johnson]

OO already told you that Judy is a number one. What more do you need to see?

[Uncle Ocho]

Just a little consistency, that's all.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Lord. You still crying as your car. Do y' all think kickers positions important stressed in the league? How well would you. The 2000 Ravens fared with Lamar Jackson at the hell, bro. You got to understand, it was a different game back then. They could drop their body weight on Lamar. They could do all kinds of things. It's not like it is now. The quarterback is the most protected. The quarterback is like witness protection.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Did you see. Did you see how Elway got hit? Do you see the. Did y' all watch the video? See his documentary?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all better go look at that and see how them guys hit. It's a deal with a different game back then. Lamar is sensational. And that. That's not to say he couldn't play, but, boy, all that running around, they.

[ISO Joe]

Were gonna be hunting. Boy, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Trey Newsom as a free man in 26. Please listen to Ocho's advice. He's only looking out for your best interest. Ocho, that 98 France kit clean, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Appreciate that. Yeah.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

26.

[Joe Johnson]

We good. We good. We. We.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, we. We in 26. We.

[Joe Johnson]

Know what happened.

[ISO Joe]

I put that.

[Joe Johnson]

I put that. Put that beat. I put that beat that Scully on. It's over.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

J.J. carver, 80. If the Raiders need any defense, look no further than Elgato. They be giving. Ooh, hell. Family wealth builder. Should Brad Holmes be fired due to the Lions falling, Detroit fans are lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks. What do you think? And Ocho. No, no. You had a down here. You had a down year. But, bro, look at your draft. Look at what you got. You drafted Aman Ross, St. Brown. You drafted Jameson Williams, you got Jir Gibbs, you make the Jerry Golf. You look at your defensive guys. You got Jack Camel, you got Aiden Hutchinson, you got. But a lot of those guys. The secondary was injured. Now you pan. No.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

No, man. You guys right there. GT New Shannon. Why you got to keep calling my Dolphins guppies, man? We've had a bad enough. With who? With the tuna. Turn of all over at quarterback and not winning a playoff game in 26 years. Give och. Give. Give us an Ocho a break.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, what do you call him? Tuna Work.

[Joe Johnson]

Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over. Tudor. Lanny Ray. Hey, guys. Ocho, I got a dad joke for you. What do horse eat the day of a race?

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know what they eat.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing. They fast. Good one, lady. Marlon Wilson. Why aren't people questioning Matt Nagy the way they questioned E.B. eric B. Enemy for head coaching jobs. Well, we'll see. You hear reports that there's a possibility that EB might be going back to kc? We'll see. But I don't know why. Magnaki getting head for a job. Andy Reid called the plays when he got the job in Chicago. Andy Reed called a play. They say they want somebody that's. That's called plays before. Eddie Carr says Ocho out here looking like uncommon with the hat on. Run for me. What's the hold up with Mike Epps interview? Also, it'll be dope if y' all had prime on once a week. Put Memphis on your tour.

[ISO Joe]

Can I see, bro?

[Joe Johnson]

Be patient. Be patient. Brian6198. Ocho who's the best head coach for Jackson Dart in New York? Y' all better not agree. Oh, it needs to be. You got a quarterback. It needs to be an offensive mind. Ocho trying to think who would be a great. Hey, I can know. Clint Kubiak, Seattle's O.C.

[Uncle Ocho]

Mr. Mr. Gannon, Arizona Cardinals.

[Joe Johnson]

Jonathan Gannon.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's a D. He's a. Yeah, he a defensive mind.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't he a defensive mind? Because I think Shane Stichen was the offensive coordinator and he went to. He's in Indy when Jonathan Gallon to D.C. in Philly.

[Uncle Ocho]

Stefanski. Officer Guy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, But I do believe Brian Flores gonna get a job this. This hiring cycle. QMAR says I'm a. I'm a Hogs fan and sad to see Trey go. I hope he goes to the spurs or the Bucks so we can see Trey to Wimby or trade to Giannis. Best passer in the league, in my opinion. I don't see him going because they got Darren Fox, they got Stefan Castle and they got Dylan Harper. They don't need Trey in San Antonio. Now, I can see a scenario Milwaukee, but.

[ISO Joe]

I, I do. I. I do believe he topped 2, 3 best passes in the league, by the way. He can pass. He can pass that ball. But yeah, I don't see him going to San Antonio neither. I don't even see San Antonio messing with nothing they got going on over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Other to go. Ocho will. I am Shakespeare. We need to end nightcap like that every night. Very insightful thoughts with the spoken word. The Sean underscore show. What's up, fellas? If the MVP goes to the most valuable player, then Drake May should win the award. The Rams are good team without Stafford. No, they not. And with two great receivers. Go past your thoughts. I. I just. Look, I. I don't know. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Lamar was going to win it last year after 41 and 5, and his team was. Had some tremendous success. And then Josh Allen got it. And that's not to say Josh Allen didn't. Didn't earn the right to be the MVP, but 46 and 8 led the league in passing. Led the league in passing touchdowns. I don't know. For me, it's. For me, it's Matthew Stafford. I don't know what you think, Ocho and Joe, but I think Matthew Stafford is the mvp. To me.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I mean, I was going. I was going with staff anyway. If anything, obviously after that week he had. We played bad last week. He redeemed himself this past. This past weekend. Some people say Drake May. Drake May deserves it based on what he was able to do after going forward 13 the previous year. So it's. That's. That's tough. That's tough.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, you.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're gonna have. You're gonna have two different. Two different. Two different sides of the spectrum. On people that think it should be Drake May and people that think it should be Matt stafford.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, if 46 and 8 don't get it, I don't know. I don't know what you gonna do to get it. Ky Mar, you wore blue and orange in college and in the NFL, you really bleed it. Yep. And my high school colors were green and gold, so my brother got green and gold when he got with Green Bay, and I got blue and orange.

[ISO Joe]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Ronnie M. What's up, Nightcap. Who do you think should dominate the sports more in their prime? Shaq Curry shooting or Prime Brady with Vicks? Man, if Shaq can shoot the ball like Steph Curry, that man average 100 points tonight.

[ISO Joe]

That's too much. God ain't giving you all that now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no. Absolutely not, man. One could shoot the ball like stealth and be dominant like he was. Oh, man, please, man, please. He get 100 tonight. He averaged 100 a night. He put a record out where nobody ever break it.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, but I'm gonna tell you something with women can stay healthy. He gonna be close to it, man.

[Joe Johnson]

He got, he got it. Oh, he gotta put some.

[ISO Joe]

I'm. I'm saying from a defensive standpoint. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he'll better defender.

[ISO Joe]

He can average. He can average four to five blocks a game if not more. Double figure rebounds. Obviously you know you're gonna be at at least 20 points a game. Yeah, he can, he can sh.

[Joe Johnson]

Health. Will n Shout out. Keith Burns. He was my special teams coach at TSU and also, also my time, my all time favorite coach. Love you coach. I'm his favorite kid he coached. That's my dog. I appreciate that. I just talked to him the other day. I talked to him Saturday. He ain't doing. Is he at Howard now? Oh, thank you guys for joining us. We really, really appreciate your support tonight. We had a nice lively chat even though we didn't really have a sporting event to come on out there. That just goes to show you the level of support that you give a Nightcap. And we can't thank you enough. Enough. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. That is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree, Pro Bowler and all pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three that joins Nightcap normally on Wednesday. But since we're off this Wednesday, he decided to join us early on a Monday and we can't thank him enough. University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native, seven time NBA all star of the Atlanta Hawks. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thanks for coming on with us, man.

[ISO Joe]

Thank y', all, man. Thank y' all for having.

[Joe Johnson]

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[ISO Joe]

I'm unk.

[Joe Johnson]

He's Ocho. That is ISO Joe, we're off tomorrow and Wednesday. We'll see you back on Thursday. Thank you guys for joining us. These eyes. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math@t mobile.com switch and now T mobile is is in US cellular stores.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Uncle Ocho]

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