Nightcap Hour 2: Illinois SHUTS DOWN Iowa + Doc Rivers Speaks on BUCKS ELIMINATION from PLAYOFFS + Sixers BIG 3 is BACK + Arizona ADVANCES to FINAL FOUR

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2: March 29, 2026

Main Theme:
This episode dives deeply into March Madness basketball updates, with a focus on Arizona and Illinois’s path to the Final Four, NBA playoff fallout—including Doc Rivers’ comments on the Bucks’ playoff elimination—and major NBA roster shakeups (notably the future of Giannis Antetokounmpo and Ja Morant). The hosts also discuss the Sixers' new "Big 3" and the importance of discipline and leadership in professional sports.

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NCAA March Madness – Arizona and Illinois to the Final Four

[03:35 – 13:19]

Arizona’s Statement Win Over Purdue

• The guys break down Arizona’s 79-64 victory over Purdue, securing their spot in the Final Four for the first time since 2001.
  • Freshmen Braden Burris, Carter Karchenikov, and Cora Pete combined for 52 points.

    “I was a little worried in the first half though, Joe, but boy, them jokers came out in the second half.” – Joe [03:50]

  • Discussion about halftime adjustments and how Arizona controlled the tempo down the stretch.
  • The physical challenge Purdue’s big men posed and Arizona’s response.
• Uncle Joe calls out Arizona’s freshmen:

  • “The two freshmen, matter of fact, the three freshmen... Cora Pete and Burris, they turned it up… The big boy, he got into a rhythm, and he was going at them bigs that Purdue got.” – Uncle Joe [04:28]

• Joe credits Arizona’s depth and collective play:

  • “Everybody pitching in doing something, they... a great team collectively, bro. They gonna be tough to beat.” – Uncle Joe [07:14]

• Predictions & Bracket Banter:
  • Good-natured trash talk about bracket picks, with Ocho bragging about still having live Final Four teams.

  • “You might have played the game of basketball, but when it come to picking winners, that’s what I do, Joe. I’ve been a winner all my life.” – Ocho [11:03]

Illinois Dominates Iowa

• Illinois returns to the Final Four for the first time since 2005:
  • Outscored Iowa 40-12 in the paint, out-rebounded them 38-21.
  • “Whoever says size doesn’t matter…” – Joe [07:52]
• Key players highlighted:
  • 7’1” junior center and Wagner (guard, likely a lottery pick).
  • Stepan Stojakovic’s son with 17 points off the bench:

    • “He can shoot it, but this boy, he’ll get to the rack.” – Uncle Joe [08:24]

• Recognition of Illinois’s readiness and depth—critical for tournament play:

  • “Illinois’s got a great chance. Yeah, you got them big boys in the paint… you got a few guards who can get to that chicken… you got a chance.” – Uncle Joe [08:47]

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NBA Focus: Bucks’ Playoff Elimination and Fallout

[16:54 – 23:53]

Doc Rivers on Bucks' Struggles and Elimination

• Doc Rivers laments the lack of a healthy stretch and star depth:

  • “Obviously since I’ve been here I haven’t had a healthy stretch...it’s been Giannis, it’s been Dame… Every other team has two or three (stars). We needed help. We were thin…” – Doc Rivers [16:54]

• Hosts debate if these are valid reasons or just excuses.
• Decision to fire Adrian Griffin questioned (record of 42-13 at firing).
• Organizational instability and mismanagement are discussed.

Bucks’ Future: Giannis on the Move?

• Bucks mortgaged a lot to pair Giannis with Dame—now Dame is back in Portland, and a roster teardown seems imminent.
  • “I think Giannis is going to get traded this off-season.” – Joe [18:09]
  • “They’re not going to let him go into that last year and walk for nothing...” – Joe [18:15]
• Comparisons to the post-Kareem era in Milwaukee.
• Discussion on challenges for small-market teams to rebuild—emphasizing need for drafting well.

Broader NBA Moves:

• Memphis Grizzlies’ rebuild referenced:
  • “It’s time to get out of Memphis.” – Uncle Joe on Ja Morant [24:39]
• Miami Heat’s disciplined culture highlighted as a possible destination for stars seeking long-term success.

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Player Discipline, Leadership & Mentoring

[24:32 – 45:44]

Ja Morant: Talent, Turmoil, and Potential Move

• Hosts discuss Ja Morant’s recent struggles, off-court issues, and loss of team structure after teammates are traded.
• Emphasis on the importance of leadership, structure, and “the right environment.”
  • Ocho on Miami Heat culture:

    • “The closest thing to the Patriots and Bill Belichick, the Patriot Way, is the Miami Heat.” – Ocho [25:36]

  • Uncle Joe praises Heat’s work ethic:

    • “I never seen an environment like that...after the game, the whole team in the weight room.” – Uncle Joe [38:00]

• General warnings against “yes men” entourages and straying from the “main thing” (your professional focus):

  • “You gotta have somebody or multiple people that tell you what you need to know and not what you want to hear.” – Joe [31:52]

The Sacrifice Behind Greatness

• Extended inspirational discussion on the sacrifices, discipline, and monotony behind greatness in sports.

  • “Greatness is boring… There is a sacrifice to be great. The greater the accomplishment, the greater the sacrifice must be to meet said accomplishment.” – Joe [41:46, 42:18]

  • “You can never forget how you got there, bro... to be able to sustain and stick around for a long time.” – Uncle Joe [29:05]

• Reference to Michael Vick and the importance of having someone real in your corner:

  • “If you don’t have a voice of reason in your ear...” – Joe [30:57]

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NBA: Sixers "Big 3" is Back

[47:14 – 49:38]

Sixers’ New Core: Embiid, Paul George, Maxey

• Impressive stat lines as all three perform at a high level:
  • Embiid: 29 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blocks
  • Paul George: 26 pts, 13 rebs, 4 steals
  • Maxey: 26 pts, 8 assists, 7 rebs
• Hosts see real potential if all remain healthy:

  • “If Paul George and Joel Embiid gonna give you this on a night to night basis...man, we just got a new team that’s entered the chat.” – Uncle Joe [47:41]

  • “They beat a hot Hornets team tonight… to go in Charlotte and get a win, it tells me a lot…" – Uncle Joe [48:30]

• Maxey’s relentless approach praised.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Arizona’s momentum:
“Everybody pitching in doing something… great team collectively, they gonna be tough to beat.” – Uncle Joe [07:14]

On chasing greatness:
“Greatness is boring… There is a sacrifice to be great. The greater the accomplishment, the greater the sacrifice must be to meet said accomplishment.” – Joe [41:46, 42:18]

NBA realities:
“You gotta have somebody or multiple people that tell you what you need to know and not what you want to hear.” – Joe [31:52]
“I think Giannis is going to get traded this off-season.” – Joe [18:09]

On healthy team culture:
“I never seen an environment like that… after the game, the whole team in the weight room.” – Uncle Joe [38:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:35 – 07:14: Arizona’s win over Purdue and breakdown of freshmen impact
• 07:26 – 10:13: Illinois’ win, key players, March Madness updates
• 16:54 – 21:05: Doc Rivers, Bucks’ exit, and questions about management
• 22:11 – 24:50: Giannis trade talk, implications for Bucks’ future
• 24:32 – 29:22: Ja Morant’s situation, off-court challenges, importance of leadership
• 41:10 – 45:44: Sacrifice, discipline, and what greatness costs
• 47:14 – 49:38: Sixers’ “Big 3” performance and playoff prospects

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Summary

A rich, candid episode capturing the drama of March Madness, NBA playoff shakeups, and the off-court realities shaping superstars’ careers. The hosts blend lighthearted banter with sharp analysis and honest life lessons about leadership, focus, and what it really takes to achieve—and maintain—greatness in pro sports.

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[Joe]

electricforall.org for the first time since 2001, the Arizona Wildcats are headed back to the Final Four. The top seeded Wildcats punched their ticket with a 7964 win over the number two Purdue Boilermakers, setting a school record for wins in a season 36. In the process, the Wildcats will take their 13 game winning streak to Indianapolis where they'll play the winner of Sunday's game, Michigan and Tennessee, against the veteran Purdue team. Arizona was led by its talented freshman, Braden Burris, 14. I can't even say his last name. Carter Nocov, 18 and Cora Pete had 20 combined for 52 to up faith up faith on the biggest stage in their young careers. I was a little worried in the first half though, Joe, but boy, them jokers came out in the second half.

[Ocho]

I don't know what kind of adjustments they made at halftime.

[Uncle Joe]

Uncle Joe Nah, they hey, hey, they coach told him, look, y' all gonna mess around and we gonna be looking back on this game talking about, man, we should be still playing. That's what he told me. Y' all need to come out with a little sense of urgency in this second half. Because in that second half, Uncle Ocho, the two freshmen, matter of fact, the three freshmen, the guy number eight, I can't say his name neither, but Cold P and Burrow and Burris they turned it up in the second half. I thought cold P really got into his. He got into a rhythm. The big boy, he got into a rhythm, and he was going at them bigs that Purdue got. That's why Purdue was able to hang into the game. And that's why when you see Arizona play against Arkansas, we kind of thin and frail down there. We got guys who could play on the perimeter, but we ain't really got enough girth to deal with them big guys. Purdue had that. Purdue had some bigs that was going at them. They was offensive rebounding. They was making it tough for Arizona. I just thought in the second half, Arizona, everything kind of slowed down for them freshmen because all three of those guys freshmen. Number eight is a freshman. Kobe, the freshman. Burry's a freshman.

[Ocho]

Hove.

[Uncle Joe]

Huh?

[Joe]

Carchenikov. Karchinikov.

[Uncle Joe]

He nice, bro. He nice. Great in transition. Can shoot the three. He played fearless. Get to the bucket. He didn't make no 3 tonight, but for the. For the most part, he's been a great energy source for those guys. Man, they. They play well together. They got some great. Some. Some good bigs mixed in with these freshmen who kind of doing some heavy lifting. Uncle Ocho, but they deep. They play of the year. Was a point guard, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't even know if he was a leading score on the team. Maybe he was, but I didn't think he was the best player in the Big 12. That's just me personally. But collectively, as a team, I don't really see nobody beating Arizona. I ain't gonna lie.

[Joe]

It's gonna be interesting to see what. What Michigan does with Tennessee tomorrow. We'll see what UConn and Duke does.

[Ocho]

That's gonna be a good one, boy.

[Joe]

Yeah, but Arizona look good. They look good. Four guys had four guys in double figures.

[Uncle Joe]

They did, because, hey, hey, Purdue. Purdue is a disciplined team, unc and oo, they ain't, you know, they ain't gonna typically beat themselves. They had a few turnovers here and there, but for the most part, they play the right way. They play through their bigs. They point guards play, make score. I mean, it was a tough game like you said in that first half. I thought Purdue was gonna run away with that thing.

[Joe]

Yep. I did, too.

[Uncle Joe]

Arizona locked in that second half, fellas. They came out.

[Joe]

That second half is like, oh, damn. They started. Hey, they started letting them threes go. They start. Hey, they started crashing the boards and getting second chance opportunity. I'm like, okay.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you see, once they Got the lead pretty soon. You ain't see number, tail lights?

[Uncle Joe]

Nope. Everybody pitching in doing something, they, they, they, they a great team collectively, bro. They gonna be tough to beat. I ain't gonna lie. They gonna be tough to beat.

[Joe]

Illinois going to their first Final Four since 2005 when they were led by Darren Williams. Team in college basketball figured how to use their size to an advantage. The third seed Eli outscored the ninth seeded Iowa 40 to 12 in the paint and out rebounded them 38 to 21. Whoever says size doesn't matter,

[Uncle Joe]

Illinois got. Hey, that, that big seven one junior they got down there, that big boy in the paint playing around these perimeter guards that they got who can score, you know, Keegan, Wagner. Wagner, he gonna be a. He gonna be a lottery pick, Ojo, in this year's draft. Oh, hey, hey.

[Joe]

He got busy today, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's another freshman. That's another freshman stepping up, making plays, playing huge.

[Joe]

Guess who else stepped up, Joe? Who stole Yakovic?

[Uncle Joe]

There you go. Yeah, you know what? He might come out too, uncle Ojo.

[Joe]

He might. Junior.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, he played. He played well. He played well today. I mean, super efficient. You know, we look at his dad because his dad was such a great three point shooter. He can shoot it, but this boy, he'll get to the rack okay. Ojo, he didn't even shoot no 3 tonight.

[Ocho]

Yeah, he had 17 points. He was 7 for 9. Yeah, he did off the bench too,

[Joe]

Uncle Joe, he's been doing that.

[Uncle Joe]

He's been doing that all year though. I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

I done seen Illinois play a few times. He been doing that all year. He been doing that all year. Illinois's got a great chance. Yeah, you got, you got them big boys in the paint who know how to play and ain't gonna take no bull job down there. You got you a few guards who can get to that chicken. Yeah, and you guys, you got a chance.

[Joe]

Hey, the Atlanta, man, they look, they, they look good. I will. Hung around as long as they could.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe]

They needed, they really needed their guard, their guards to like play above their head. Yeah, yeah, Sturge played well. I mean, I mean, he did what he did. He does what he normally does. He does. He did what he was supposed to do. Yeah, and hell, I don't think, I don't think he's been off the court. I think he's played all 40 minutes, damn near all games.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. Nah, he did, he had to. What we, what we saving you for? Yeah, you gonna have a whole week of rest if we could win. Hey, but. Yeah, they guards. They guards. They had to get something from your guards, bro. At this juncture, you know, the tournament, you gotta have some guys who you can lean on, perimeter wise, but you also need some good bigs, you know, who. Gritty, tough, and can get you some chippies around the basketball, right? Illinois is ready, man. They ready for the next round, fellas. They. They might be who they got next, huh? They don't play Arizona, do they?

[Joe]

No.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we got. Hey, hey, either way, that's gonna be hell. Either way, whoever. Whoever they got to play out of them, too, is gonna be hell, boy, man.

[Joe]

Yeah. Cause they honestly. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And then the winner of here at the bottom, Iowa State, in Michigan.

[Uncle Joe]

Ocho, you had Arizona when you got Arizona winning.

[Ocho]

Go ahead. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You know, my bracket. My bracket's still intact, baby. I told you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, I ain't gonna lie to you, Ojo. You do. You do for a win, bro. You do for one. You do for one.

[Ocho]

Put me like that, Joe. Don't do me like that, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

You do for one, huh?

[Joe]

You do.

[Ocho]

What you talking about? Look at my bracket, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

What we talking about? That's what I do, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

So you need you.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, you might have played the game of basketball, but when it come to picking winners, that's what I do, Joe. I've been a winner all my life.

[Joe]

See, that's why we can't never let it win, though. I don't know who worse, Ocho or Joe. What?

[Uncle Joe]

Come on, man. Come on, Come on.

[Ocho]

I don't brag. I don't brag. Y' all the one making fun of me, talking about. I pick mascot, man.

[Uncle Joe]

Holler about on brag. He did. Just got through gloating talking about he animals.

[Joe]

Hey, he picked all animals. He got the wild cat. He got huskies. If you got an animal in your name, that's oo te.

[Uncle Joe]

That's what he did. That's what he did.

[Ocho]

See how y' all know some of the things y' all don't say? Hurt me. How you know it don't hurt me inside?

[Uncle Joe]

Dang. Your bracket busted too, huh?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, my bracket is done. I'm done.

[Ocho]

Hey, y' all need to just follow my lead from now on.

[Joe]

Your Ocho still got Michigan.

[Uncle Joe]

Hold on. But. But if Arizona. If Arizona lose, they next game. I mean, what is. It's just a. It's a three way tight end, huh?

[Joe]

Nah. Cause he got. He got Duke. He still got Duke. He got Duke going to the Final Four. And he got Arizona going to the Final Four.

[Ocho]

What y' all talking about? What? Hey, matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna do, Joe?

[Uncle Joe]

Uncle Joe, what you gonna do?

[Ocho]

Lotto. I'm gonna play lotto. And I know I'm against the right numbers, and whatever I win, I' ma split it with y'. All.

[Uncle Joe]

You would do that?

[Ocho]

Yeah, for y'. All.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Joe, you still got. Oh, Joe. If Michigan. If Michigan goes, you need. You need what you call, but you basically, you need him to get knocked out. You only got one chance. He got two chances. What I need, you got to hope. You got to hope. You got to hope Duke and Arizona get knocked out. That's really the only chance you got, cuz you still got. You still got one team. You got Michigan going to the finals.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Long as I got. Long as I got a fighting chance. You hear me? As long as I got a chance. Hey. You never know.

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[Joe]

being eliminated from the playoffs. It's been disappointing. Obviously since I've been here I haven't had a healthy stretch and it's been out your key guys. It's been Giannis, it's been Dame this year having Only one quote unquote star. Every other team has two or three. We needed help. We were thin and all the talk and all the stuff probably didn't help either.

[Ocho]

Is that, are those considered excuses?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I think they decision to move Adrian Griffin, who was what, 42 and 13, something like that? Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah. He would be. Yeah. He, he, he was doing a hell of a job. I know that. I think they were number what, one or two in the east at the time. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Ouch. I don't know, man. I don't know what, what they saying they getting rid of Doc.

[Joe]

Look, ever since the uncertainty with, with Giannis for the last couple of years, Yan is going. Is he staying? They, they got rid of a lot of their roster to get Dane. They gave up a lot to get Dane that didn't pan out. Dame is back in, back in Portland.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Giannis is going to get traded this off season.

[Uncle Joe]

I believe so too.

[Joe]

It's going to happen.

[Uncle Joe]

I believe so too.

[Joe]

It's going to happen. He's not going to sign the extension and they're not going to let. Let him go into that last year on that and, and walk for nothing. Absolutely foolish to do that. So he's going to get moved and what do you have?

[Uncle Joe]

Well, you going to have to hope, hope you trade for some, something that's. I don't know if you can get equal value for him.

[Joe]

No.

[Uncle Joe]

But never if you, you know, you making you. You can get some, some good compensation for sure.

[Joe]

But in order to get good compensation, you probably going to have to trade him to where he doesn't want to go.

[Ocho]

Whoa.

[Joe]

That would just, you know, Joe, the team, everybody knows what you got to trade him. They know you're not going to let this contract, the ink on this contract dry and let it walk out the door for free. You're not going to let have an OKC situation. What happened with Kevin Durant? Kevin Durant walked out of the door and got. You got nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And so you got to trade him. Where he wants to be traded probably doesn't have the compensation or the players that you would want to try to rebuild this.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't know. I think you got to think about

[Joe]

when they traded Kareem. You know how long it was before they fielded a contender.

[Uncle Joe]

A long ass time. Because it's hard to get free agents in Milwaukee.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to draft really well. They did a good job.

[Uncle Joe]

Yep. But I agree.

[Joe]

I, I don't. I honestly and I like Doc I just don't know how he holds on

[Uncle Joe]

to this, especially if they, if they,

[Joe]

they're eliminated from the postseason. They done.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, especially, I'm saying. But with that being said, especially if they get rid of Giannis, I can't, I can't see. I can't see Doc stand either. I ain't gonna lie to y', all because he went over there.

[Joe]

I'm trying to figure out, Joe, what made them do what they did. They had to have consulted Giannis on this. Ain't no way.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, it might have been him. Him and him and the head coach. Maybe they would hit maybe heads or something.

[Uncle Joe]

Maybe Ojo and I think they brought Doc in there just to, to be able to deal with Dame and Giannis, you know, two, two great talents to try and get him to mesh, you know, similar to what he did with kg, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. I think they brought him in for those reasons, thinking that he could get them over the hump and they just got bogged down with injuries, bro, and never reached their potential.

[Ocho]

Damn, that's messed up.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. So they wonder has clothes for sure.

[Joe]

You know, the wheels came off the moment Dame got hurt and they bought Dame out of that contract. Yeah, it was over. Because look at the compensation that you gave up to get Dame. Now you're saying, you know what it failed. Fans of Milwaukee fans, we failed you.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, because you pay Miles Turner, what, 108 million and talking about you only got one star. Well, hell, you just paid somebody 108 million to come help him. And he wasn't what, he wasn't what you thought he would be.

[Joe]

No. And I don't know what he thought he was going to, what, what was going to happen when he went there. I don't know, maybe he was frustrated with his role in, in, in Indy. I, I, I don't know, Joe. I think Dame, with Dame there, you know, Giannis, I can anchor the defense, get some easy buckets, because they're going to load up to stop Giannis and load up that Dame. And I'm going to be working some

[Uncle Joe]

one on one and he can, I think, and he was thinking more of, you know, you look at Giannis, who you know is a downhill demon, he going to get downhill, he going to create havoc. And if I'm a center, if I'm Miles Turner, where I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be spotted up at that three point line. They paying me to keep this floor space, keep these dudes honest, and let, and let Giannis work And it just haven't been the case, bro.

[Joe]

And that's the thing, when you sign with free agency, you never know.

[Uncle Joe]

You don't, man.

[Joe]

I mean, when they broke. When they broke that team up, well, what really happened is Chris Middleton got hurt once. Chris Middleton hurt that knee. He was never the same.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Nah, he was never the same a couple of years, and then they ended up moving on. He wasn't the same. They let Holiday go. They thought they would. They thought they could, you know, fix it with Kuzma and some other pieces. Gary Trent Jr. And it just. It didn't work. It didn't. I like Bobby Portis off the bench, but it just didn't work.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, no, I think Bobby. Bobby been giving him great minutes even, because when them guys sit out and he start, he gonna get you 20 and 10, you know, I think he a great asset to have on the bench. Coming off the bench, he'll probably. Because he still got some great value. He'll probably get moved, too. But it's unfortunate, bro.

[Joe]

They're probably going to start all the way from scratch, Joe. They're probably going to.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

[Joe]

They're gonna strip it down. Strip it down to the foundation.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Joe]

Try to build this thing back up.

[Ocho]

Hey, Uncle Joe. They gonna do the same thing the Dolphins doing. You hear me?

[Joe]

What you mean, strip it down?

[Ocho]

Strip it down to the bottom. I told you where Giannis was going, right? So we. We know what that destination is going to be.

[Uncle Joe]

You think. You think he's still going to Miami?

[Ocho]

Joe, I done sat in the meeting, Joe. I'm telling you now.

[Joe]

When.

[Ocho]

When you saw the reports about it happening, and you saw the reports, where there smoke, there's fire. That's how. That's how. That's how I be telling y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Ocho]

I know what I'd be talking about. It just wasn't able to happen. But when. When off season come and it happened like Man Oju was right, you know? You know, my eyes and my ears to everything have sports related in Florida now.

[Uncle Joe]

So what's gonna happen with Ja?

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what? Hey, what's wrong with Young Bull?

[Uncle Joe]

It's time to get out of Memphis.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, what's wrong with. With Young Bull over there in Memphis?

[Uncle Joe]

They even gave up everything. Yeah. Everything they had around them that was worth something. Oh, Joe, they gave him.

[Joe]

They traded Desmond Bane. They traded John. I mean, look, they got. Think about what. They got four. First for Desmond Bane, I think they got three, two or three Ones for Triple J. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

You gave up Booker, like, you gave up all your muscle. I mean, man, what you. What you looking for now?

[Joe]

And so now, I just don't know. I mean, John's gonna have to do things differently.

[Ocho]

What you mean by. What you mean by that? Huh?

[Joe]

How he conducts himself off the court.

[Ocho]

So you mean, you think he's still gonna be there?

[Joe]

It doesn't matter where he goes. He's still gonna have to conduct himself differently than what he did in Memphis.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. But. But I. I think conducting himself and when it comes. When it comes to going to the right environment, you know, going over to that.

[Joe]

That.

[Ocho]

That prison, that. That. That prison over there in Miami, which is like playing the Bill Belichick in basketball terms, the closest thing to the Patriots and Bill Belichick, the Patriot Way, is the Miami Heat.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they conduct themselves, Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

If you got some discipline, it won't even affect you, bro. Like, it. It's just a way of life, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, they expect you to work hard, but if you're a disciplined guy, you know, who don't mind doing a little work, you know? I mean, like, that ain't gonna. It ain't gonna affect you. Trust me. I've been in the system, bro. It ain't gonna affect you. But if. If, If. If working first and foremost in your life, partner, then, yeah, it's gonna be a problem.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we gonna get him, right? We're gonna. Hey, hey, Joe. He need to get his NBA career back on track.

[Joe]

I hope so.

[Uncle Joe]

You got to, man. The man got the hottest shoe. He got one of the hottest shoes out. Yep. And you can't. And you. I mean, you and you not even playing.

[Joe]

And it's just imagine. Just imagine, Joe, what he could be with that engine that is Nike behind you.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. They had him projected right now, as we speak. He's supposed to be top three point guard in the league right now, if not the best. That's what he's supposed to be right now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, see, I. He. He needed. He need to hang around somebody like me, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Why is that?

[Ocho]

Listen, I'm only talking about on. On the point of the discipline and always want to work, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho]

That's all I know. I play around and make jokes a lot. I'm talking about serious.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

When it comes to that discipline stuff and locking in on doing something, I don't. I don't play like that, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

[Joe]

Think about what he Was before he started doing all this. These shenanigans. He's all star, all NBA.

[Ocho]

Hey, a sight to see. You hear me?

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, that's what Uncle Joe.

[Ocho]

He was a sight to see. I don't even watch basketball, but there are certain individuals that will force me to turn the game on because there's something to see. It's exciting because you don't know what's gonna happen. A player like Ja is unpredictable in the game.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm not talking about.

[Ocho]

I'm not talking about the annex. I'm talking about. What are you doing? That goddamn court.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Joe]

Is another one off the court, started impacting.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it gets in the way. Ant man is another one. Ain't no telling what the hell he gonna do on the court.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, yeah, but that's why when these guys first come into the league, you always see these great flashes. Because one like, we all know. Cause we all been there our first time playing. And professional playing in the pros. You so damn nervous and scared that you like, I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do to be able to shine out here. Like, I'm gonna work my butt off. I'm in it. You know what I mean? Like, your work ethic is through the roof when you first get to the league, bro. But once you figure the system out, Uncle Ocho, and you know how to manipulate it a little bit. Yeah, stop working as hard. You know what I mean? Cause things done became a little easy. Your confidence through the roof and, you know, can't nobody stay in front of you. I think the work tends to suffer a little bit because you starting to get. You getting all these sponsors from all these different people, and you got all these obligations that you gotta meet. But you gotta always keep the work in the forefront. And don't forget the main thing. The main thing, man, you can never forget how you got there, bro. To be able to sustain and stick around for a long time. You can never forget how you got there. You remember as a kid, Hell, I know, I ain't gonna lie. When I was seven, eight years old, I was wishing I could play in the NBA. So from that point on till I was 20 years old when I got drafted, that's how long I had been working.

[Joe]

Ocho. I tell guys all the time, I said, bro, you're a football player now. I'm with this, okay? When they take football to play, take football away. When last time you heard from Momocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Joe]

No, but you said, no, no, no, no. No, that's not what you said. You said you was this, this, and this and this. Now football's gone. I ain't seen nothing.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Keep the main thing. The main thing. Yes, sir. Use football to do all these other things. There will come a time that the. The. The. You'll leave the game or the game will leave you, but then you can act a fool. Do whatever you want to do, but don't lose sight of who and what you are. You are a football player. Don't you let these people get it. Don't. Hey, don't you listen to the street committee on this social media tell you that. You something else. When they take that away, when they take basketball away, when they take football away, what they doing?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. On to the next, bro.

[Joe]

You.

[Uncle Joe]

It.

[Joe]

Everything is right there for you. Right there for you. And look, at some point in time, look, we gotta hold. We gotta hold the individual responsible because I had a great conversation. I had Michael Vick. I had Michael Vick on the pod. And, you know, when he worked at Fox, I did. We talked to him. And I was like, mike, it wasn't nobody around you that could tell you. He, like, everybody that was around me was doing what exactly. What was I doing?

[Uncle Joe]

Hello?

[Joe]

So how are they going to tell me to stop? And then why would I listen to them?

[Uncle Joe]

Right?

[Joe]

So if you don't have. You don't have a voice or reason in your ear, because here, the thing. Ocho, you know this. Joe, you know this. I'm not gonna be the one. Because I'm not gonna have you stop the bus and ask me to get off. Because I'm trying to have you do right. I'm gonna let you do wrong. So you keep me on this damn bus.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's one of the problems, huh? Everybody entourage. Too many yet. Too many yes men.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

They're always going to be somebody that got. Got to be the brains.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to.

[Ocho]

If. If we have an entourage, we have a group of people we've been around since yay high, whatever, now you've made it. Now you the golden goose. You the golden egg.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You gotta. You gotta protect. You gotta protect, right?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Somebody got to be the brains. If the. If. If the golden goose ain't gonna have the brains, somebody else has to be the thinker for them, right? They'll be thinking, man.

[Joe]

So, hey, you gotta have somebody or multiple people that tell you what you need to know and not what you want to hear. Because a lot of times people that you write, John, man, you be you. You gotta, you got this far being you. Yeah, I can be me. Why would you even want to your entire life to get your family out of that, getting out of the projects or getting out of that single family. And there's nothing wrong with that. But ain't nobody says, you know what? I want to be a professional athlete and still stay in the environment and the circumstances that I've grew up in.

[Uncle Joe]

Right.

[Joe]

Nobody says that. So don't get me wrong because I know y' all gonna flip it, man. I'll make it seem like there's something wrong with the projects. I'm not saying that. But you work your ass off for a reason to leave those situations only to have the same mentality that you had when you was in that situation.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Shouldn't you want to change?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I would hope so.

[Joe]

If you think about it, guys, you make it out of there, what do you do? You get you a nice car, you get your nice. You don't drive that same type of car that you had when you was growing up.

[Uncle Joe]

Hello.

[Joe]

Hubcaps missing, mismatched tires.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah,

[Joe]

you don't. I, I, I think he's phenomenal. And I had an opportunity guy. Y' all know, look, I saw him, I saw him play several times. I've been to a lot of Laker Memphis games. I think we all know that. Yeah, he's phenomenal. Yeah, he's phenomenal.

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[Joe]

He just, he just needs some leadership, some guidance to say, bro, enough is enough. You done had your three year run where you did everything that you wanted to do.

[Ocho]

Lock in, lock in.

[Joe]

Bring it on home now. Come on home.

[Uncle Joe]

I think, boy, I think he'll thrive. I ain't gonna lie to y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Uncle Joe]

I think he'll thrive in that Miami situation.

[Ocho]

Come on, Joe, talk to him.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm saying because you know what? One thing about Pat Riley, he gonna have a real sit down a one on one with him, you know what I mean? He do what everybody hell he did with me. And it's gonna be something in that meeting, bro, that you're gonna be able to take and run with. And all you got to do is apply. If you apply, I promise you the sky, the sky would be the limit for this kid again, bro. Then, I don't know. I just feel like Memphis ready to move on. I think John ready. They are.

[Joe]

They're moving on, Joe.

[Uncle Joe]

And to get in a new. They clean house and to get in a new environment, you know, it'll help in more ways than one. I want to see him, I want to see him excel, Uncle Ocho. I want to see Job back out there throwing grenades, covering his ears. I want to. I'm here for all that, man. I, I like the cool stuff, you know what I mean? I also like to see the guys who put in the work though, you know? I love, I love me a hard working cat. A dude who don't mind being there first and being there last, you know, getting, getting, getting them shots, getting them shops up before practice, after practice, he in the weight room. And that's why I say in Miami, bro, I never seen an environment like that. I'm talking about to where after the game, the whole team in the weight room. We all in that lifting weights. I'm talking about D. Wade, ud. It don't matter. Everybody in there. And that's the type of environment you want to be around.

[Joe]

Like dudes.

[Uncle Joe]

One them dudes weren't rushing up out of that Uncle Ocho to go to no club. I never went to the club when I played for the Heat. Man, we work so much, boy, I couldn't wait to go home and lay down.

[Joe]

Joe. That's the thing. The club gonna be there. The club gonna be there. Yeah, Club will be there when you out the league. Too. And they're gonna treat you different when you ain't that guy.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle. Hey, Uncle Joe. And one thing about that club in Miami. Hey, Joe, you know, it don't. You don't get. People don't show up till 2, 3 in the morning.

[Uncle Joe]

I know. Hey, hey. And they love the Miami Heat, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Joe]

They love them Heat players. Boy, that's all you got.

[Joe]

And that's the thing. Just.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey.

[Joe]

When your best player is your hardest worker, you. That's why you get. You get a Kevin Durant, you get a Kobe, you get a Jordan, you get a Steph Curry, you get a LeBron, that's what you get. You get Shay, that's what you get. And then when you see these guys that maybe not as talented and they work their asses off, now you get a Tyrese Maxey, now you get Austin Reeves. Yeah, that's what you get.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see guys like, well, damn, where he come from? Yeah, he came for working his ass off.

[Uncle Joe]

That's it. Head down.

[Joe]

It's not that. It's not that complicated. It's not. But you know, the ones that work,

[Uncle Joe]

it ain't complicated work. It ain't complicated. But y' all know it's a lot of sacrifices that got to come with it.

[Joe]

Meaning.

[Uncle Joe]

Meaning, listen. Meaning, if you ain't. Hey, if you ain't got people around you who think like you. Meaning, like, if you just got cats around you and they can't wait to 9, 10 o', clock, come to ask you if we going to the club or not, man, please. You gotta have some dudes who around you who want to work, who gonna hold you accountable and keep you in check, bro, like you. You gotta have that. You know, you gotta have that.

[Joe]

I look and people go jump in the comments, man, everybody work hard on their job for 40 years. A lot of people work hard, work at their job, and have no aspirations of moving up. I'm just here to collect this check.

[Uncle Joe]

I'm good, right?

[Joe]

I'm talking about a guy. Greatness is boring. Go sit down and talk to any of the greats. I'm. I'm talking about in an athlete's term, because I haven't, you know, I've met Jeff Bezos and have a conversation, but we did not talk business. He wanted to talk sports, so we talk sports. Yeah. Most of the time when those type of people come around, they don't want to talk about what they do. They want to talk about what you do.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And how did you do what you did and what was it like? What was Elway like? What was TD like? What was Brady like? What Peyton Manning. That's what they want to talk about. But when you talk about greatness, I wish listen to them talk. Listen at Brady. Listen. That Brady, when he talk about greatness and the sacrifices that he make and the monotony of it.

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[Joe]

Look at Serena when she talk about greatness and the sacrifice and the monotony and Tiger. And I know Tiger's going through what he's going through, but it's hard to deny nobody had a peak like he had.

[Uncle Joe]

No. No, sir.

[Joe]

Look at LeBron, look at Steph, look at all the great. It is very monotonous because ain't nothing entertaining, ain't nothing sexy about lifting iron and running yourself into exhaustion and getting up like Joe, say a thousand 1500 shots a day. Ain't nothing sexy about that. Guess what? You do it over and over and over, and people tell me, man, you eat the same thing. That's boring. Some people do things over insanity. OO is doing something over and over and hoping for a different result. I did the same thing over and over, hoping for the same result to be successful every time I stepped on the damn field.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

There's a sacrifice to be great. The greater the accomplishment, the greater the sacrifice must be to meet said accomplishment. There is no other way around.

[Uncle Joe]

Ain't, bro.

[Ocho]

You can't cut no corners.

[Joe]

What do you want to. What do you want to be, man? I want to be this. Okay. What are you willing to sacrifice to get that? If you're going to put what you want here, you got to put what you're willing to sacrifice here. Because they go hand in hand.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The greater the accomplishment, the greater the sacrifice. It's going to cost you some. It's probably. It might cost you a relationship or two. Yeah, it might cost you a friend or two. It will. Might cost you a family member or two.

[Uncle Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

But what is it that you want? Because you got to remember now, when you was as a kid growing up, who was there, who believed in you? I. I talked about this all the time from. I was in high school. I can go get my. My senior book and I can read what they said. Shannon, when you rich and famous, don't forget me, Shannon. I know you gonna make it. That's all I talked about.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

All the times that I didn't go to the party. You from who Country? You boring. You don't smoke, you don't drink. Okay, you right. I Don't. But I don't know if that's going to help me get into college. And when I got to college, I don't know if smoking and drinking now, don't. Hey, don't get me wrong now. Hey, George Clinton, why must I chase the cat? You're futuristic, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I did what I did, but

[Uncle Joe]

homework,

[Joe]

practice, working out, studying. I had to get it. I had to get it. Hey, the teacher give me two weeks to get. Get an assignment in or I'm getting that thing done. About three, four days. I ain't waiting till the last minute. I was not no last minute type of guy. There ain't no way around it. Guys, I wish. I wish I could tell you. I wish I. I wish I could tell you there's a easier way to success and to reach that, but there's not. There's not. And you look at these guys and. And you hear stories. I've never seen Jordan work out. I've never seen any of these guys. But you hear stories, and I guarantee you their story sounds a lot simple. A lot like what you went through. Ocho. What I went through, Joe, what you went through. It's very similar. You don't get to that level. It's not an accident, my brother tell our people all the time, you know what? It wasn't planned. It wasn't an accident that we both went there, but it wasn't planned either. Yeah, but what our grandfather and grandmother instilled in us, the work ethic, the determination to never quit, to never give up. I mean, man, I had all these, all these offers to go everywhere. A top player in the state of Georgia. Here I am, Prop 48. Man, this ain't for.

[Uncle Joe]

Man.

[Joe]

Later for the. Let me kick it with my boys right here. Nah, hell no. Somebody going to. Hey. And I'll never forget my coach David said, He say, son, if you good, they'll find you. They gonna find me in Savannah State. Yeah.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Son, if you good, son, if you. He said, if you as good as I think you are, they're gonna come see you, they're gonna come get you. That's all I needed. That's all I needed.

[Uncle Joe]

Man, listen, it's been dudes drafted from D3 schools. Man, if you good.

[Joe]

Langston, you went try to go here, tried to go there. One year at Oregon State, that's all I needed. You know why? Because that's why God planned it. Yeah, see what God planned for you, AKA kicking you out of school, being back had to go back to Miami. Going to Samo Juco. All God had all that. So you know what I'm saying? Y' all through. I'm gonna test you. He said, I'm gonna test you.

[Uncle Joe]

Hey, hey, what they say, Uncle Ocho? You make plans and God sit there and laugh at you.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah. Every time.

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, they already knew.

[Joe]

He already knew. He already got it. But man, John, you got too much talent, bro. You got too much talent. You too good. And what's John? 28.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't even know if he did. Is he 28?

[Joe]

Oh, I'm gonna say 27. 28.

[Uncle Joe]

I don't think he that old be 26. Oh, yeah. Wayne. Hey,

[Joe]

Joe. The Sixers, big three are back on the block. Joel Embiid, 29 points, six rebounds, two blocks. PG Paul George, 26 points, 13 rebounds, four steals. Tyrese Maxey 26 points, eight assists, seven rebounds. Joe, if Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, Paul George, PG 13. If they are healthy, can they make some noise in the East?

[Uncle Joe]

Yeah, yeah, they can. Uncle Ocho, look, look. If Paul George and Joel Embiid gonna give you this on a night to night basis because this ain't the first game they didn't play well since they didn't been back. I think this they second game plan. But they both putting up great numbers, shooting at a high efficiency rate and they controlling and affecting the game on more than just scoring. I think you know, their veteran presence mixed in with, with Maxi and Edgecombe, them young, reckless, abandoned guards, man, they could beat anybody in the east because can't still can't nobody guard and be. If he. No, hell no.

[Joe]

If he can't answer for him. Not, not in the East. Well, first of all, ain't nobody in the NBA can guard him. Oh, he needs West, North, South. I don't if there's an aba, the G League. Ain't nobody can guard Joel Embiid. Nobody.

[Uncle Joe]

He don't even have to be a hundred percent. I think Philadelphia because they beat a hot Hornets team tonight in Charlotte. It ain't like Charlotte ain't been no slouch for since February probably since 1st the 1st of February. Yeah, they probably got one of the top records in the NBA. Like they've been playing great basketball. So to go in Charlotte and get a win, it tells me a lot if Embiid and Paul George can fit in with these guys like this. Hey man, we. We just got a new team that's. That's entered the chat because they, you know, we didn't counted Philly out for so long. And since Tatum came back for the Celtics, we. We put them one. You know, Cade been hurt, so we kind of dropped the pistons. But, hey, this looks scary, man. Cause I'm gonna tell y' all something. Tyrese Maxey still ain't letting his foot off the gas. He don't care who out there.

[Joe]

No, no, he going at everybody.

[Uncle Joe]

He don't care who out there he go get. Hey, he gonna get his shots up. He gonna be effective. He gonna apply pressure. They got a great team on if them dudes stay healthy. I'm talking about

[Joe]

they.

[Uncle Joe]

They got a chance. They got a chance.

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[Joe]

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