Nightcap Hour 2: Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown BEEF?! + Unc Gets BOXING LESSONS from Claressa Shields + NBA early season INJURIES STACKING + KD Rockets THRIVING

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2 (Nov 20, 2025)

Host: Shannon Sharpe

Co-hosts/Guests: Chad "OchoCinco" Johnson, "Iso" Joe Johnson

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Main Theme & Purpose

This lively episode of Nightcap (Hour 2) dives into emerging NFL off-field dramas (specifically the supposed tension between Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown), explores the state of wide receiver–quarterback relationships, catches up with NBA injury trends and the explosive early seasons around the league, and features a fun segment of Shannon Sharpe getting a boxing lesson from Claressa Shields. The conversation is rich, loose, and always brimming with the hallmarks of Club Shay Shay: honesty, nostalgia, rowdy banter, and sharp sports analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown “Beef”

Timestamps: 03:05 – 09:57

• Deshaun Jackson’s Comments:
  • Shannon Sharpe unpacks DeSean Jackson’s vague claims of “something going on” between Eagles stars Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown, likening it to his own frosty dynamic with former QB Donovan McNabb.
  • Quote:
    • “It’s not all about football. It’s not all about X’s and O’s. I have a relationship with the quarterback and I didn’t necessarily like. And when it ain’t there, it sticks like a sore thumb.” — Shannon quoting DeSean Jackson (03:20)
• Relationship Dynamics:
  • Joe and Ocho both comment on their own excellent relationships with QBs. Joe notes wideouts get labeled “divas” only because they refuse to act robotic.
  • Quote:
    • “They find a word to use. They call it a diva… Oh, he likes to be an individual and express himself? Yeah, he’s a diva. Just a bunch of joe. That’s all it is, right?” — Joe Johnson (05:52)
• Production vs. Satisfaction:
  • Sharpe emphasizes how top-tier receivers can’t handle being under-utilized after achieving success.
  • Quote:
    • “If going to the Pro Bowl last year, winning the Super Bowl wasn’t going to suppress that, you think getting him four targets a game — he gonna be cool with that?” — Shannon Sharpe (08:40)

Ocho on Eagles Offense:

• “The way Matthew Stafford throwing that thing around the field, it’s night and day from when you know Jalen Hurts is back there.” (09:45)

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2. Wide Receiver vs. Quarterback: Myths & Realities

Timestamps: 03:40 – 07:10

• The crew reflects on why receivers get the “diva” stigma and how off-field relationships color on-field stories.
• Shannon: “If that guy got to throw me the ball, he the last guy I’m gonna piss off.” (06:44)
• Joe: “I never understood wide receivers getting into it with the quarterback, and they the ones that got to get him the ball.” (05:22)

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3. Boxing Lessons with Claressa Shields

Timestamps: 21:03 – 25:41

• Boxing Fundamentals
  • A fun, hands-on segment where Joe walks Shannon through jab, hook, and uppercut techniques — with Claressa Shields coaching and quick jokes flying about footwork and “Stephen A. Smith uppercuts.”
  • “Your jab a little soft. Boom, boom. Still moving. So now that we got that jab.” (22:22, Joe)
• Transition from Football to Boxing:
  • OchoCinco: “I got so much admiration for boxers, bro… That’s like a rhythm and timing sport. You gotta be putting in some work.” (24:11)
• Cardio & Humility:
  • Joe Johnson recalls how exhaustion nearly tanked him in his own amateur fight, highlighting that fighting is different-level fitness.
  • Quote:
    • “We was in the fourth round… I was in hella shape. We got to the fourth round, that last minute, Joe, I couldn’t even put my hand up here if I wanted to.” (26:32, Joe)
• Shannon jokes he’s got “too much muscle” to box well:
  • “I gotta lose about 15, 20 pounds… I live too much.” (27:33, Shannon)

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4. NBA Early Season Injuries and Fast Pace of Play

Timestamps: 32:12 – 37:31

• Star Injury Avalanche:
  • Ocho and Shannon discuss the catastrophic number of top NBA names (Giannis, Wemby, Zion, etc.) missing games for lower-body injuries. (32:12+)
  • Ocho: “I feel like now, guys are really just saving their legs for the game… you bound to get some of these soft tissue injuries.”
• Why It’s Happening:
  • Shannon: “They don’t practice like they once did… Practice is mainly walk-through now.”
• The Pace Factor:
  • 2025 NBA is at the fastest average pace since the late ’80s, which is both fun and potentially hazardous for bodies.
• Scoring Boom:
  • 157-point regulation games, individual 70- and 60-point performances are now “routine.”
  • “The talent in the NBA now is so much different from what we’ve ever seen. I ain’t never seen as many seven-footers who can play the point guard, who can shoot the three...” — Ocho (38:55)

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5. Spotlight on NBA Stars: Jokic, Luka, the Rockets & Young Guns

Timestamps: 37:32 – 56:00

• Skill vs. Physicality:
  • Shannon: “It’s just like the quarterbacks, Ocho. You get guys that are more skilled and are in a softer league…these numbers are astronomical.” (38:40)
• Jokic’s Brilliance:
  • “He’s a station wagon… All you do is pick it up, dropping the kids off to school, slow and steady, that’s it… He probably done pass Bron, so he probably behind Russ, Oscar, maybe Magic.” — Shannon on Jokic’s triple-doubles (47:24)
  • “He covers every facet of the game… But don’t get it twisted now — could drop 50 on you!” — Ocho (49:25-49:40)
• Luka Doncic & Modern Guards:
  • “I’m looking at Luka… they don’t even — think about it. Averaging 30 points was reserved for the best. These guys are getting 30 like it ain’t nothing.” — Shannon (43:49)
• Houston Rockets & Young Talent:
  • Rockets are called out for surging (“They 10–3, man.” — 53:47) and praised for roster construction around Sengun and KD.
• OKC’s Youth Movement:
  • “They 15–1…they might be better than what they were last year.” — Ocho (54:45)
  • Shay Gilgeous-Alexander and Chet Holmgren highlighted for future All-Star nods.

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6. NFL: Chiefs Fatigue, Cowboys Confidence, and Shador Sanders’ Opportunity

Timestamps: 62:08 – 64:34

• Chiefs Burnout?
  • “Any time you get to the Super Bowl, things are gonna continue to get difficult. You’re not gonna keep running through everybody…” — Joe (62:27)
  • Both agree Mahomes’ Chiefs will still be a threat come playoff time.
• Cowboys Hopeful:
  • “You feeling good about your Cowboys, huh?” — Joe
    “Come on now. Come on now.” — Ocho (63:22)
• Shador Sanders to Start:
  • Shannon notes Shador’s first NFL start: “I expect Shador to go out there and play well… He’s going to get to run an offense he likes.” (Final minutes)

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7. Life, Fame & Relationships

Timestamps: Frequent throughout, particularly 11:19 – 16:17

• Rings, Marriage & Public Perception:
  • Banter about how marriage/rings change public perception for athletes (Mahomes, Kobe, LeBron, Michael Jordan, etc.).
  • “You see how a ring change the perception… how we think.” — Shannon (10:57)
• Storytime:
  • The guys swap stories about old school phones and dating, drawing laughs (65:07 onward).

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8. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Being a “Diva” Wide Receiver:
  • “All I want you to do, hey, just go out there and score touchdowns, get the yards, all that other stuff. Y’all work that out with your quarterback.” — Shannon (06:14)
• On Exhaustion in Boxing:
  • “That last minute, Joe, I couldn't even put my hand up here if I wanted to.” — Joe Johnson (26:36)
• On Modern NBA Skill:
  • “I ain't never seen as many seven footers who can play the point guard, who can shoot the three, who could post up, who can play-make.” — Ocho (38:55)
• Jokic Comparison:
  • “He's a station wagon… All you do is pick it up, dropping the kids off to school, slow and steady, that's it.” — Shannon (47:24)
• On Vince Carter, National Anthem:
  • “One of the, if not the greatest national anthem ever sung for a sporting event. It's between her [Whitney] and Marvin Gaye at the '84 NBA All-Star.” — Joe (69:32)
• On Not Cheating in (Video) Games:
  • “If I face somebody cheating, I just ain’t gonna play with them no more.” — Shannon (73:15)

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Notable Segments with Timestamps

• Jalen Hurts/AJ Brown Speculation: 03:05–10:01
• Boxing Lesson with Claressa Shields: 21:03–26:48
• NBA Injury/Talent Explosion: 32:12–44:49
• NBA MVP and Triple-double Leaders: 46:35–50:35
• Houston Rockets Focus: 53:10–56:54
• Chiefs and NFL Storylines: 62:08–63:27
• Shador Sanders’ Start: 76:10–76:50
• Old-School Phone Memories: 65:07–67:25

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Tone, Style, & Atmosphere

Casual, humorous, and rowdy — but with deep insight. Panelists laugh, reminisce, take loving shots at each other, and offer authoritative commentary on the evolving complexity and spectacle of modern pro sports. The episode is loaded with quotable lines, locker room perspectives, and exclusive athlete insight.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Show:

Nightcap Hour 2 is a blend of thoughtful sports takes, off-field dynamics, cultural context, and locker room storytelling. The hosts break down the public perception vs. reality in football beefs, praise the current generation of skill-based NBA players, worry about the state of player injuries, and have real fun showing off their boxing training. The mix of story-driven sports analysis and personal asides means every topic gets an “insider’s” twist, delivered with Club Shay Shay’s signature braggadocio, wisdom, and humor.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Don'T trust much of anything.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's the rage bait.

[Joe Johnson]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Desean Jackson threw some gasoline on the AJ Brown Jalen hurts relationship. D Jack says as you can tell, it's something else going on. And. And I got a great relationship with him. I respect him. I can say it but I know something else is going on. It's not all about football. It's not all about X's and O's. I have a relationship with the quarterback and I didn't necessarily like. And when it ain't there, it sticks like. Like a sore thumb. That's all I'm gonna say. Now we know he didn't have the greatest relationship with Donovan McNabb. I guess he was telling the story about D. Jack was one of the first players I think he got. He was first team. I think he was a first team. He was a Pro bowl receiver and a Pro Bowl. Pro bowl butt returner. Like the first time that a player been selected to the Pro bowl in two positions. And he said that Donovan said something to the. To the fact that I don't think he should have made it exist. I don't know. That's what D Jack was telling the story. But he has a straight heads or had, I don't know the relationship currently a strained relationship with dmac. D Jack say hey, something else going on. That's all he gonna say. He ain't gonna say no more. O He said but there's something going on. OO you was a wide receiver as far as I know. You had a great relationship with all your quarterbacks. Kitner, Carson and I think only really quarterback. I don't know if you had anybody else in Cincinnati. Yeah, I mean Scott Mitchell.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I've never had any issues. I never had issues. No, no, no gripes obviously with the quarterbacks which to. To me, to me if you think about me, Joe, you. You know me for a while. Uncle you know me for a while. Not just on the show but before. You know I'm very likable. I'm very likable. Not in a setting just like this talking on the mic. But hell, come on man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I see, I see. That's it. You know Spanish Right. I see. I see.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you. But.

[Joe Johnson]

But I'm very likable, Joe, and I'm easy to get along with in any environment. Hey, Joe. I walk in a room, boy, I light up the whole goddamn room, Joe. I'm the same way in a locker room, so I've never had any issues with any quarterbacks. I'm. When it's time to work, you know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. When you're on Nightcap, you don't light up that room.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I light up the room. I light.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said that out loud. Did you hear that? Oo I said that out loud.

[Commercial Announcer]

I heard.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I heard you. I heard you. I. I love. I love everybody. I love everybody, so. I ain't really had no problems. I never understood wide receivers. Get into it with the quarterback, and they the ones that got to get him the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Oo give you the ball.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Why they call y' all divas? Why they call the receivers divas?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you know, they always look for a word to use when we. When. When we're not. When we're not aligned in how they view we should be. Like, that's. That's how they find a word to use when we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We don't.

[Joe Johnson]

When we don't conform to the ways they think we should act, right?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

No, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They find a word to use. They. They call it a diva, you know, oh, he don't want to get with the program. You know what? He's a diva. Oh, he don't want to be a political robot. Oh, he's a diva. Oh, he has personality. Oh, he likes to be an individual and. And express himself. Yeah, he's a diva. Just a bunch of Joe. That's all it is, Right?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Name any of the top female artists, and everybody says the same thing about them. From Aretha to Patty to Shaka to Beyonce to Mariah to Whitney, all of them say the same thing. Yeah, Name one that they. They didn't call that. When you. Them. When you. Them girls, okay? So be it. Yeah, okay. They. Them guys, they know it. Yeah, they know it. They got a problem with it. Hey, all I want you to do, hey, just go out there and score touchdowns, get the yards, all that other stuff. Hey, G. Let y' all work that out with your quarterback. Yeah, y' all work that out with a quarterback. But like OO said, if that guy got to throw me the ball, he the last guy I'm gonna piss off. I'll piss off the offensive coordinator before I piss off him. Because even if the coordinator calls something that's not coming to me, I'm not primary. That quarterback like me enough. I'm gonna be primary whether he called it or not. No.

[Joe Johnson]

Or not. Exactly. Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm staying on his good side. Damn. What? Hey. Cause at the end of the day, it's like, well, what you. Hey. John said, hey, we called this. I want you to run this. Got it? That's. That's not what we call. That's what he called. I don't give a damn what y' all call. That's what he called. You ain't got no ball in your hand. You got a clipboard. You got a headset, right? I want the football. He got it, and he told me to run this, so I assume he going to throw me the ball, so take it over. I don't even. Hey, Ocho. I don't stop to carry it on. I said, hey, he called it. Take it with him. I'm going to the bench. And keep it moving. But look, it ain't going away because we've seen. Because what has happened, Ocho, is that I think a lot of people thought after they won the super bowl, know what AJ Say, you know what? But AJ wants to win, and he wants to. He wants the offense to be productive. He knows there's a level that this offense can get to that is not getting to. And he's tired of. He's tired of, like, oh, you know, skating by and relying on the defense and, you know, 15 completed, you know, 15 passes when this offense can be so much more.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? And he's like, I'm, I'm just tired of it. And so if going to the Pro bowl last year, winning the super bowl, wasn't going to suppress that, you think getting him four targets a game, and he gonna be cool with that after he came off a Pro bowl and a Super Bowl? Ojo Joe.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's crazy. Crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't gonna happen. It's just not. And I, I don't know. I don't know what they can do short of him being like Jackson, Smith and Jigba or, or being Cooper or being a puka. Nakua, where you getting 10, 11 targets a game? I, I, I don't even. I don't know. I don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, uncle and joke. That offense, obviously, when you think about JSN and what he's doing in Seattle, when you look at Puk Nakua and obviously with the Rams, the creativity, the schemes, the multiple Formations that they put those individuals in to be successful and get those kind of volume. Targets and catches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And yards. That's not the Eagles offense, man. That's not the way they run the offense nor do they have the type of quarterback is he capable of doing that or throwing high volume like that? Maybe, but that's not what they do in, in Philly. It's just not. So when the targets that you do get, it's going to be a few of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you better maximize them.

[Joe Johnson]

You better maximize them. You got to maximize them every time, every chance you get.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I agree. I, I mean the way Matthew Stafford throwing that thing around the field, it's night and day from when you know Jalen Hurts is back there. That's it. I mean they just two totally different quarterbacks.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, Joe. Matthew Stafford is a gunslinger Joe, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, I'm watching him.

[Joe Johnson]

Mojo Joe. He's a gunslinger Joe. I'm not, I'm not calling him Brett Favre, I'm not calling him Aaron Rodgers. But he ain't too far off when it comes to throwing that goddamn ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he can throw it.

[Joe Johnson]

He different boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing, and the thing is is that now you get a better appreciation for him because he's winning. Yes. He ain't doing nothing different than what he did in Detroit.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was throwing no look passes in Detroit. He threw for 5,000 yards.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Detroit. He had a 500 yard game in Detroit.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's just winning now.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see the difference between winning and losing. We look at Matthew Stafford totally different now than when we looked at him in Detroit and he got. And he's the exact same player. Yeah. He's just winning.

[Joe Johnson]

You got a ring now too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So see you. What'd you say, Ocho? You see how ring change the perception of.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How we think.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But a ring does that. A ring will change the perspective of how we look at women, how we look at men. They're more stable, they're settled down structure. They're more structured, they're level headed. They're more apt to act accordingly. Yeah, see, you see, I ain't talking about no super. I'm just talking about they go in the finger.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see how we, we look at things totally different with that ring. Male, female. Let me, let me, let me where it be male or woman because I don't want them to my op. You see how, you see how beside he tell him he called him what women? Yeah, women. I apologize. Anybody that was offended that I Used the term female. I apologize. I meant women. Yeah, ladies, women.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm. I'm glad you went there, too, with that. I know we were talking football, but you gave a nice little life, a nice little life lesson on. On. On how we're viewed on the outside looking in, especially.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Especially for those who can. Who can see us and want to partner with and have a better understanding of. Well, hell, these individuals, these young. These young black men, older black men as well, you know, they got a little discipline now. They not the same as they was gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That what I'm doing. Yeah, I gotta do it. Joe. Joe. Yeah, but we. We might as well go back.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, hey, look, look, look. I. I like. I like how Jordan and. And Ash done the little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

The wood thing right before, you know, right before we came on, you know, y' all had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold up, though.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Why I gotta be the drunk? The drunk guy getting married with no sense, though. That's all I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why I gotta be that guy? Why y' all couldn't figure out nobody else for me to be?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta be Tay Diggs. I had. Losing my mind, going crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, who was I. Who was that in that movie? Which one was that? On the. On the.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know, man. I don't know. I didn't know I was the one out there drunk, busted and disgusted. Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, damn. So let me get it right. You wanted me to be that guy, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

No, I should have been o.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't even drink drink, so it can't be me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. They don't know that, though, okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. Hey, but hold on, hold on. Let me get back to my point now. Let me get back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

We talk about rings and how rings, you know, we're viewed differently.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Change the perception of how people view you.

[Joe Johnson]

How people view us. So I think, Joe, you. You, Joe, you're not married, but you got your woman, huh?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, one thing about it. Hey, listen, we say we would jump in the broom next year. We can make it a triple decker wedding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We probably get a great price on the venue.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Joe, what you want to do.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Joe, we gotta sit down and talk about this guy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, boy, you got cold feet. Don't do that. He got cold feet. And you answered that too fast.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, all right, all right. I'm just saying we got. We gotta really. We gotta.

[Joe Johnson]

Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Ocho. I mean, damn. I Mean, you know, you've been with your people for a little minute now. You lay. I mean, me and Joe, I mean, I might need a man. Like I said, might be 27. Can I do.

[Joe Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now you promise, you promise. You said 20, 26, you would jump in the broom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now promise, you know, oh, Grandpa used to say promise like pie crust, thin and easily broken. You know what I'm saying? A marriage is a commitment.

[Joe Johnson]

Here we go. Hey, and I listen. And marriage is a commitment also. And with that marriage, how do they view you again? Tell me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They view you as structured and stable and. And. And that's somebody I want to. I want to. That's why you see, that's why you think. Hey, think about it. Patrick Mahomes, what did he do? Josh Allen, what did Josh Allen do this off season? Mary, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Michael Jordan, what did they do? Stephen Curry, what did they do now do now? Now you hit Shohei Otani. Aaron Judge, the only guy that was really like the baseball guy was Jeter.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He waited till after he get married. But if you go back and look at the other guys, all those guys. So what did Tiger woods do? Go get married?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Phil Mickelson was married. Jack Arnold, all those guys were married.

[Joe Johnson]

So what is that telling you? So you, You. You saying you running it all the way down and you still. And you still not understanding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I understand that, Joe ultra.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, so 20, 26, we. We jump in the broom. Whether you want to. Whether you want to or not. I'm saying I'm sure you got somebody in mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, and listen.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm glad we on the same page, man. I'm glad we on the same page because, hey, we. We can be viewed differently. And once we're viewed differently, boom, we talk about more blessings, you know? You know what? We could work with them. They a little different now. They didn't. They didn't settle down.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

The clouds, the storm is going now. It ain't nothing but sunshine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so we can't. We can't do that or we can't do that talking? No moto ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

What kind of talking?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The kind of talking that we used to do.

[Joe Johnson]

That's okay. We can. We can. Hey, listen, we can't lose. We can't. Listen, we can't lose our edge now. We can't do that. We can't lose our heads.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I thought uncle coming back in 26.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We supposed to, you know. Yeah, we. Joe, you know, I'M still, I still got, you know I got, I got 12, I got 12 month probation so they say, you know, you know, probably like May, like after a little bit after April, May. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

You know April, May, man hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When that ball drop hey Joe hey you know hey oo it was, you know what I'm saying? It's 2 245, you know what I'm.

[Joe Johnson]

Saying hey, when that ball drop it's a rap, it's a new, it's a new year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh man, when the ball dropped probation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Officer he be watching man.

[Joe Johnson]

Fuck the po. You a good time serve. You know they let you off early. Yes sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Before we, before we move on, Nightcap staff wants you all you guys to.

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[Joe Johnson]

I turned off news altogether.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Don'T trust much of anything.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's the rage bait.

[Joe Johnson]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Commercial Announcer]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America to Carissa Shields teaching me how to box. Let's take a look at this.

[Joe Johnson]

Let me see this. Where you at? Almost. So we gonna be your legs on. Hey man, step into your arm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put some of the weight on your back foot. Okay. Back leg.

[Joe Johnson]

Because what you gonna do when you push off?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to make sure that your that your waist stay in the middle of Here. So when you push off, you going.

[Joe Johnson]

Forward, but you still just take a little step.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go. That's the good job. So you push. They going to feel it, though. See, I'm just waiting.

[Joe Johnson]

That's one of the ones that, like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like a flicker.

[Joe Johnson]

If you push off your back leg the way that you really want to push off and really get it. Ah, that is going. It's going to stick them, you know what I'm saying? Like, make them say what's up?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

So when you got this hand, get that hand up because you don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Want to hit your chin. Yeah, you're right.

[Joe Johnson]

So you're gonna pull this shoulder back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Switch positions, and put that shoulder in front.

[Joe Johnson]

That's where the power comes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Joe Johnson]

Boom. Almost. Try again. Go. That was more stronger. Oh, that was you. Are you sniffing in gingerbread?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? Your jab a little soft. Boom, Boom. That's. Still moving. So now that we got that jab.

[Joe Johnson]

We got that right. We gonna get our hook. We're gonna pull this shoulder back now and make a L with this hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The L uppercase handle. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Twist.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need some raps. You sweating already? Yeah, you see that?

[Joe Johnson]

So last four is we're gonna have that jab.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Step with it.

[Joe Johnson]

We'll have that two, you're gonna put that three on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the uppercut, dad. See everything that'll be on top. One, two, three. But the uppercut, you're making a U here. So it's coming from here, here. If you want to go to the.

[Joe Johnson]

Body, bend your legs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to go to the head, you bring it right now. 1, 2, 3. Uppercut here. There we go. Perfect. That's actually pretty good.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's Stephen A. Smith uppercut. They really not ready.

[Commercial Announcer]

For shame.

[Joe Johnson]

They're really not ready for us. Hey, I can't get to your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Call me.

[Commercial Announcer]

And I'm.

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm coming. Hey, hey, wait, man. Hey, hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you got to come work with your boy, man. We can come up with your boy. I'mma show you how that thing supposed to look. Hey, hey, hey. Ass. Hey, hey, show, show, show Uncle Joe that clip, man. Hey, Chat, let me show you how you supposed to look. Hey, look at this. Look at this.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Look at this.

[Joe Johnson]

This is how it's supposed to look. And look how. Look how smooth. Yo, I don't play, Joe. Nice and tight everything hand. Hey, hand handle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, up top.

[Joe Johnson]

Just real sharp.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, man, listen. Hey, Ocho, I got. I got so much admiration for boxers, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Not only just the shape that they be in, but that's like a rhythm. Rhythm and time. In sport, that ain't nothing. You could just pick up and go in there and know you're gonna look like Muhammad Ali, and you got to be putting in some work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything tied together. Yeah, everything tied together. Hey, the feet. Them hands tied to the feet.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. The funny thing about it is the whole body got to be working in unison.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It does every.

[Joe Johnson]

Everything has to be working in unison. And obviously, there's certain coordination that you have in football. To be able to transition into boxing, it's very difficult. It is very, very, very, very difficult. But, you know, boxing, that's my thing.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Joe Johnson]

And. And, you know, when I. When I fight Devo. Hey, hey, Joe. When I fight Devo, when I fight Debo, and that. Y' all just saw a nice little clip and that. That's from three years ago. So you gotta understand, I've been training for. For the last. One, two, three, the last five years now since I fought. And obviously, you know, it's my first time in there, so I'm not gonna look nothing like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on. I thought y' all fighting in the Octagon.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, it. Oh, Joe. I'm gonna keep him at a distance, Joe. I'm gonna keep out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you got to use that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yo, you just saw that clip, right?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, them feet, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm keeping at a distance. I'm gonna hit him about 10 times, and he'll never be able to touch me, never be able to grab me. Joe. Hey, I'm getting around everything, too.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I'm not running either. I'm not right.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You stand now. You right there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yo, I'm telling you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna keep my arm out for my range, and I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay at mid range the whole time.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Like. Hey, hey, like, both of y' all got. Y' all feeding that tie.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You right there on it. You.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I'm coming through, and I'm parrying everything, whatever it may be. Joe. I'm doing whatever it takes, Joe. I'm getting in there. You gonna get that work.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hold on.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You say your trainer told you something about stay on the phone.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, I'm on the phone every time because that's how I got knocked down in the. In my first fight.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You weren't on that phone.

[Joe Johnson]

I wasn't on that phone, Joe. I was tired. I couldn't. Hey, Joe. I couldn't I swear for God, I'm. Hey, it was funny. Everybody be making jokes. Oh, you got knocked down. Whatever you. You got there. But you haven't been in the boxing.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Ring the three minutes long, ain't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Long ass time. Long, long time. Your arms get so heavy you can't even lift him up.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, I was in. We was in the fourth round, Joe. Oh, my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honest, my, my.

[Joe Johnson]

I swear to God, Joe, I was in hella shape. We got to the fourth round. That last minute, Joe, I couldn't even put my hand up here if I wanted to. I couldn't. I could. I couldn't put it up. I couldn't. I did everything I could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See them all trained. That's why they help. They have the hands up. That's why they train like that. You get used to holding your hands up when you tired, because if you.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Don'T, it's gonna be night night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing. And the thing is, Joe, anytime you throw a punch, you leave yourself open because. So if you. If I shoot the jab out here. Yeah, I'm protecting this. Yeah, but he come over the top with some power. If you go back and look at how Bud Crawford called. Canelo. Canelo, okay. And Bud failed him out. They got to the later rounds. He shoot the jab, Bud over the.

[Joe Johnson]

Top out right away. And then, you know, you got to be so confident, Joe. You got to be willing to exchange. You got to take one to give one. You got to be willing to exchange. But I'm. I'm excited. I'm excited. Hey. Hey, Debo. Hey, James Harrison. I hope you see this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got. I got too much muscle, Joe. I need to lose. I gotta lose about 15, 20 pounds to.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

To be able to get that. Get them shoulders right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man, I live too much.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you looking at, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, I was looking. I was looking at the chat. I was hoping Debo was in the chat. I just know I'm gonna beat his ass. I'm gonna rearrange his face. I'm gonna rearrange his furniture. He think, oh, hey, all that muscle, Joe, I'm gonna have. I'm having. Looking so silly out there, Joe, with the footwork, man.

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Anything go better than Lego and Star Wars? I don't think so. Kids will love becoming a part of the galactic action while playing out their favorite adventures like with Jango Fett Starship. I mean, this Lego set is fantastic. It features a detailed recreation of Jango Fett's starship with four stud shooters, a seismic charge dropping function and wings that rotate with gravity. Plus it has three minifigures. Jango Fett with two blasters and a jetpack. Young Boba Fett and Llama Su, perfect for endless play. Now for the big fans, there's Jango Fett's Firespray class starship from the Ultimate Collector series. Packed with details and surprises for fans, this large scale set is perfect for anyone hunting for a mindful building escape. Plus you end up with a fantastic display piece. You can build this while your little ones build the kid set. You'll be like Jango and Boba building an adventure shop. Now for Star wars lego sets on lego.com or in lego retail stores.

[Joe Johnson]

I turned off news altogether.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate to say it, but I.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Don'T trust much of anything.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's the rage bait.

[Joe Johnson]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Commercial Announcer]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna give him a three piece and a biscuit. Move around. They move around, Joe. Not run away, Joe. Move around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Move.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I get you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you, Joe. This is your subject. The NBA at large is having seemingly been hit with an injury at a disastrous rate. The start of 2025. We're not in them. A month into the season, Giannis Wimby, Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard Zion, Paulo Banchero, all sitting out and have already with meaningful lower bodies, either calves, groin or key leaves. The league average pace of play by team is 100.5, which will be the fastest since the late 80s. Joe, have you ever seen this many stars miss this kind of time this early in an NBA season?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

No, I haven't, Uncle Ocho. I hate it for the game, but man, listen, you know, back when I first came in, man, guys was working, man. We were playing. The guys playing hard. You practice hard. You weren't just revving it up for the game. And I feel like now in this, in today's game, you know, guys are really just saving their legs for the game. And it's like you revving it up so high during the game and then you taking two, three days off and then you revving it back up. I mean, you, you bound to get some of these soft tissue injuries, the groin, the hamstrings, the, the calves. Somebody give, man at some point. I mean, basketball is strictly running sprints, sprints, quick sprints up and down the floor. So I don't know, man, I, I, I, I, I hate it for the game, but yeah, I think, I'm not sure if guys work as hard as they as guys used to. I'm just be honest with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's different game. I mean, Ocho and I, we know it in our sport. They don't practice like they once did. Training camp, they don't practice like they once did. There's really no 2A days where guys are out there pounding on each other twice. Practice is mainly walk through now. I think they can only have what, 13 practices, Ocho. And during the season, it's just a different time now. And.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I just think the thing is that you got to put your body through. What you wanted to go through the rigors of an NFL season is that you hit in practice. I mean, I ain't saying you got to take the guy to the ground, Ocho, but you got to let them feel it. You got to thud up, right?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get your body used to that. You can't ask a car, I mean to ask a car to just get out on the track and say, you know what, we're just gonna be chilling. Just take it out the garage and say, okay, now go 500 miles.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

No, no. If you're only doing it on every Sunday, then some you gonna, you gonna throw a ride and win them, son.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. But the pace of play, I mean, I saw the Lakers let. Lakers got 140. I saw a team the other night in regulation got 157. These teams, I mean, that's what it used to be. That's what it used to be. You saw, you saw easy a 160 to 150, a 155 ball game. 171 80s teams just score 180 points, Ocho. Yeah, I mean, I think it was the, the Pistons beat the nuggets. 1831-811801-83181, something like that. But teams would routinely get in the 140s and 130s, 140s. And then in the 90s they shut it down. And then all of a sudden it was 9. It was 73 to 68. And you're like, man, don't nobody want to see that bull jive at all. Now you got guys scoring what the entire team scored in the ball game. You got guys going there by themselves, Joe. You can you see guys getting 70 points. You see guys getting 60 something points in a game of One guy. When in the 90s, there are guys that were teams scoring 60 something points.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Man, listen, every, every guy on the floor now is a threat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a threat for sure.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

To, to score, to shoot the ball. You can't be out there if you're a liability nowadays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You know, these teams putting up, they, they, they gonna give you them, them appetizing shots because they want the tempo, they want the pace. So you gonna play against, you know, some of these teams who get up and down and you get you a couple good free looks, but, man, listen, the game is played at a much, much faster pace nowadays because you don't have guys. Obviously. It ain't but three, four guys in the NBA who post up, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

It ain't but three, four guys. I mean, then you, you look at some of the top guards, like Lucas, Shay, Braun. I'm talking about guys who on the perimeter and they post up and they, they can play out the post. But it ain't, but it ain't but a few guys who post up in this league. Now, it's pick and roll, lead, catch and shoot, catch and go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. And the guy that. But the guys that can post up can all shoot the three. You're looking at Jokic.

[Joe Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think Jokic had another triple double at the end of three quarters. You look at, he could post up, but he can shoot the three. Giannis is not the most proficient. He can post up. Now, guys, it used to be every guy on the court, if you mess around and have a night and not pay him attention, he can go get 30, 40 points on you. Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Why are you playing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it used to be only your top two guys. Maybe you had one two guys on a team. Now Grayson Allen dropped 42 points.

[Joe Johnson]

Crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Now I'm telling you, you don't pay attention to these guys. You're like, oh, man. Oh, he don't worry about it. He with us, that Joe will go. He'll go eight for 14 from the three.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you look, man, that joke got 40 on us. Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You talking about you thinking Hardenstein can't play. You look up, he got 30 points and 17 rebounds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is guys a different time. Now. These guys, these guys are real. See? And I think the thing is, look, I'm not saying the guy.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm not saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I look at it like this, Joe. I think the guys are more skilled and they soft the league. So the numbers are going to get out of hand. Yeah, because they back then the physicality, they not letting you come. You might come down the lane one time. I bet you won't bring your ass back down there again.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I bet you wouldn't.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm telling you. You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And there was no plate. I mean, there was no flagrant. File that. That's play on now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you, you know, you go to block a shot and the guy come down on your foot, that's a flagrant. They're gonna get the shot, they're gonna get three points and they're gonna get the ball. It's just a different game. So these guys are so skilled now. It's just like the quarterbacks, Ocho, you know the quarterbacks now they got throwing coaches. Hell, they in junior high.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They go to these seven on seven camps and they working with guys. So when they come in the league that's so skilled now I'm skilled in a league where we can't punish the quarterback, we can't touch the receivers, we can't punish the receivers. So we got a guy. We got guys that are more skilled and are not a. And not as physical of a league. You see what you're going to get. Yeah, same thing in the NBA. You get guys that are more skilled. That's not. That's in a softer league. And now. Yeah, these numbers is astronomical.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I agree. Because the talent in the. In the NBA now is so much different from what we've ever seen. I ain't never seen as many seven footers who can play the point guard, who can shoot the three, who could post up, who can playmate. It's man I watched singoon play the other night. The center for Houston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, Ocho, that man, seven foot, they inbounding the ball to him. He walking it up like he Magic Johnson.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, hell, I saw him get dunked on the night too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did he?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but it was, it was. It was a foul on. What's the one with the afro?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, he pushed off Jared Allen.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Jared Allen. He mushed him, but he dunked on him. But he mushed him in the face.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Man, listen, these dudes ate it back. Even back when I came into the NBA in 2001, guys weren't playing like that. You had two traditional bigs. None of them shot threes, you know what I mean? So the. The floor was a lot more clogged up. Now it's so much space out there, right, that you able. If you if you're a great one on one guy, you can get by your man, man, you're gonna always opportunities. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's why. So that's why the score is up. I mean, look how many 30 point scores we got, man. Look at all. Look at Austin Reeves, Austin reeves averaging like 28 points a game, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Lakers look good, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You see Braun come in, take that.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, quick, look, look, look, look, look what Braun tell you, man, I ain't just no score. I ain't gotta score 25 tonight. I'm gonna settle for this little left 12 assist.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna feel my way in. I'm gonna get to where y' all want me to get to. But right now I ain't no need me interrupting what Luca and Ar got going on them boy ball out of control over there.

[Joe Johnson]

It's so funny. As great as LeBron is, he has a understanding and a self awareness to understand. Listen, when I come in tonight, I'm gonna facilitate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I think LeBron is probably the best overall. Overall in every aspect of the game. He brings everything to the table. You know, he's not coming in. You know what? Oh, I need the ball in my hands. I need to dominate. I need to be able to shoot. He has a, he has a fee. He has such a feel for the game. To be able to come in and do what he did yesterday with all the time he's had off because of him and having Cicada and that's crazy. He looked real good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, look, and Luka, how you stop him? Cause you can't speed him up. He's bigger than you think, he's stronger than you think. And there's a, there's not a shot that he can't make. I mean, you saw the guy make three half court shots in a row. Where they do that at? I mean, we've seen guys make half court shots. Okay, fine. He made three in a row.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

From half court. Yeah. I mean, he stepped back and just when you think, hey, he'll head fake you up and then whoop, whoop, he'll hey, get you up in the air, jump into you and what?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, he had 30.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had 30 something night. And you look up, you're like, I thought I knew he was special when I saw him do what the Clippers and they had this great defensive team. They had Kawhi, they had, they had pg, they had Pat Bell, they had all these defenders and he cooked every last one of them. Was that in the mullen but he cooked every last one of them. I said, well, with that defensive team, if they can't stop him, what happens if he goes? Gets a team that don't have defensive guys like that, you're not stopping that.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, man, he cold. He cold. He ain't. Hey, like I say, he ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He ain't moving fast out there, but he understand angles. He can flip his hips real quick to where, you know he can cut you off and get to his spot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And once he raised up, you so nervous that you don't want him to punch if you're a late contestant.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he gonna.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He probably gonna make that nine times out of ten.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but look at the guys. Look at Bird. Wasn't the fastest. He get to where he wanted to go, how he wanted to get there. Same thing with Jokic. You look at a guy, Jokic ain't gonna jump over a credit card, but he gonna bust your ass for a 30 point triple double on a nightly basis. Look at Luca. He ain't gonna jump over Postage stamp, but he gonna give you 35, 10, and 8 on a nightly basis.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah. Boy got game, man. He good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I think.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I think. And for me, I think Braun is in a perfect situation. He ain't gonna. They don't have to count on him to score almost 30 or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He could settle for 22. You know what I mean? 12 boys, 10 assist, something like that. Like, you know, he. He gonna be able to kind of coast his way into this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, yeah, it's gonna be like I said, I mean, the guys. Look, I'm. I'm old enough to remember, and I remember those guys of the 80s, but I just think it's things called evolution. They know more. They got better training, they got better supplementation, they got better nutrition. So obviously, as things evolve, you know, and if I evolve something, Ocho, and then you make it easier for me to do it. These guys look superhuman.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at Luca and, And. And. And some is Shea, and I'm looking at these guys. They don't even. Look, think about it. Do you understand that the averaging 30 points was reserved for some of the best? Yeah, These guys are getting 30 points like it ain't nothing.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Rolling out of bed.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I. I mean, I think Shea has one game this year in which he hasn't scored 30. I mean, I mean, I'm just looking at him. I'm looking at these guys. I'm like, well, damn, Pretty soon, I mean, 30 is the new 20 is the basically the new 25. And pretty soon, Joe, I'm gonna be honest, I'm not gonna be surprised if somebody averaged 40 points a game. 40, 40. Luca average. Think about it. Luca averaging 35 now.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, who. Whatever player come, come along. You know, obviously right now the European players are the best players in NBA. Whoever comes along averaging 40, 40 a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Game, somebody gonna be in the high 30s, 40s. Watch.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He gonna be. Hey, hey. He gonna be in shape like Giannis, but he gonna have a jumper like KD.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

If you, if you're gonna average 40 up, you're gonna have to be in some shape.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at. Think about Luca. Luca walking the ball up. Luka ain't pushing. Luka ain't pushing no pace. Luka walking the ball up. He gonna get to his spot. Yeah, boy, if l. And let me tell you how, if Luca shot 40, cuz Luca gonna shoot a low percentage because he shoot so many step back threes.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he gonna shoot a low percentage. But if you let, if, if he see a couple of them things going early, you might as well forget it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like, hey, he gonna get. He gonna get 40, 50 on us tonight and just like, hey, we just gonna try to contain everybody else. It's kind of like what Tylose said. Tyloo said our job was to let Jokic score, but don't let anybody else do anything. Okay. 55, 12 and 6 later. Well, I ain't know he's gonna score like that. Yeah, yeah, they got that kind of ability. A big guy that can shoot, he can post.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And he done figured out your defense. Okay, cool. They ain't bringing the double team tonight, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna cook. He gonna cook.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Zoobox me and big zoo box. I'm gonna give him a little dream shake down here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, he go pump and up and under you.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you can do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't that.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You just gotta hope he missed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now Aaron Gordon, who got injured, Aaron Gore was knocking down three. So if you bring, if you bring the guy off. Aaron Gordon. Boom. He kick it. Aaron Gordon, he make that. That's that hammer pass, cross court. Boom. Knock down three. Okay, you break. Jamal Murray can knock it down. It's just these guys now, man, they could just. Going crazy with. It's just like, damn.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I. I think with Yokesh, why I love him so much, because he just kind of takes what you give him. If you want him to be a score, he'll score. If you want him to be a passer, he don't have no problem getting 17 assists. If you need him to rebound, he can get 20 boards. He ain't tripping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know he gonna have a triple double again. He just. He got a triple double again tonight.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Man, this is crazy, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Nice, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it's crazy. I would not be surprised when it's all said and done. This Joker don't have 250. Maybe 300 triple doubles. Joe and Ocho. Yeah, he gonna break Russ record. I mean, he probably. He done pass bronze, so he probably behind Russ, Oscar, maybe Magic. I mean, he. Hey, look and see what Jokic is. He probably number four already. A triple double. It was a second round pick. The man got drafted into the Taco Bell commercial. He three behind Magic. What? How many does he have? Okay, he's on Freddie. How many? Joke have 150. He got 172 already. Oscar had the record, I think, with 180. 181. Russ probably has like two. Two. Oh, eight, two. Nine. Maybe 210. He might pass Russ this year. Let that sink in with. Because he doesn't have wear and tear on his body. O Joe. Because he's not a. He's not a race car, right? No, he's a station wagon. All you do is pick it up, dropping the kids off the schools slow and steady. That's it. And when he on the road, he ain't going.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He ain't go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, whatever the speed limit is, that's what he go.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here in the school zone. And say 15, 20, that's what he going. It say 35, 40. That's what he going. He ain't going above 60, so y' all might as well. Hey, he gonna be in the right lane. He ain't gonna be in that fast ass lane. He ain't gonna be in the center lane. But man, these guys, I'm watching this, Joe. They going crazy.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look, the. The, The MVP is gonna come down. I mean, I know it's kind of like a two man race right now with him and Shay, but Yoki's got me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Doncic is gonna be at. Luca gonna be in that. Cause the Lakers gonna win enough games this year. Luca's gonna be in there. Giannis is always gonna be in it. Joki just had his 10th triple double in 14 games.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. People don't want to give credit. It's hard for people to give up those old guys. But when it's said and done, it's going to be hard if he gets another championship or two, Joe. It's going to be hard to not have him in the top 10.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he just, he got. He covers every facet of the game. He's such a great passer, a willing passer, right? And it's like. But don't get it twisted now. Cause I dropped 50 on you now.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You fall asleep over there now. I dropped 50.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's 7 foot tall. Ocho. You laughing. He's 7 foot tall.

[Joe Johnson]

Who's 7ft tall?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jokic.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Jokic.

[Joe Johnson]

Why he look so small on the court? Not. No, he don't look small, but he don't look like. He don't look like kd. KD look tall as hell.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

KD is slim. He a slim tall like Yokoj ain't like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean, man?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Got a little weight on him.

[Joe Johnson]

How?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, there's a great chance. I mean, for me, it's hard to say he's not a top 20 player already.

[Commercial Announcer]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when he's done. Oh, Joe, another championship. I mean, think about it. He's finished. He's finished second in the MVP to Shea and, and Joel Embiid. But he has three already. He gonna be for the next five years. He's gonna be one, two or three in the mvp.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. And, and if he can get Jamal Murray to continue to play at that All Star level, they'll have a chance, huh? Yeah, they'll have a chance. He needs somebody to come along with him, though. He ain't gonna be able to do it by himself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Because think about it. Gordon got hurt last year when. What would it have been in a game seven if Gordon doesn't hurt that hamstring.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause he go, hey, your two Bigs, they got no chance against him. Cause he go, whoever your Big is, just say, son, we love you. And, and, and, and ain't no shame in getting a triple double. A 32.35-point triple double average on you. Ain't no shame in that. He does that to everybody.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Just do what you he cooking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your Big. Ain't nothing he can do.

[Joe Johnson]

Do what you can.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I thought, I actually thought though. The Thunders, Hardenstein and, and big boy. What's the other one name? The big toss.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Chad Holmgren.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I thought they played him pretty well. I know he still got kind of got his numbers, but they long, athletic, active. You know, you would think that they would probably give him a little problem because they can kind of mix up Coverages with him, you know what I mean? But I know you don't get it. I know he gonna get his numbers, but I just think OKC gonna be too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, you know what happened though? They, they played the best when they went that box and one on him. They put, they put Caruso in back.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Of him and let him fight him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then like, hey, and then everybody we gonna swarm because now you don't have Aaron Gordon. We don't have Aaron Gordon out there. So we're not really worried about his replacement.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if they got Gordon and they're clicking, it's gonna be tough. Cuz you already know you already conceding 30, 10 at bare minimum 8. You already basically you already conceding the triple double to him. Now if Murray go crazy like we know he can. Oh, you got your hands full.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now Gordon is giving you 20 a night.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, but I, I don't know if y' all been looking over here in the Eastern Conference, you know, the Hawks been playing well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The P playing unbelievable without Trey.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I know, man, they got them. They got a lot of like sized guys out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like. Yeah, they got a lot of 6, 6, 9, 6, 10, 6, 11 guys, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And they all defensive minded, you know what I mean? Yeah, they all defensive mind and Uncle Ocho and they've been, you know, they've.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Been having success kangaroo and they got Jalen Johnson and they got.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

What's them boy? Hey, them boy been balling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They have, they have. I watch.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

They lost to Detroit yesterday. But Detroit, I got Detroit good. They, they hell in the east over here now.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't worry coming out of the sun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Goon Shingoon. Yeah, the Rockets. The Rockets ain't lost for one game, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, talking about since they kicked off, you know, they went 0 and 3.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, they didn't.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

They didn't got hot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They, they, they. Hey, they won. They won. They, they won. They would. Yeah, they lost their first and then they went 1 and 2. They 2 and 2. 3 and 2. 4 and 2, 5 and 2. 5 and 3. 6 and 3. 7 and 3. 8 and 3, 9 and 3. Now they're 10 and 3. They just beat Cleveland. They beat Orlando in overtime. KD hit a big bucket and then they beat what you call them tonight by 10. They're 10 and 3, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

It's gonna. I'm telling you, when I watch the Rockets play, I'm looking at Sengun out there running the point. Why Reed shepherd come set him a pick. Reed shepherd, the little shooter he'll come set a pick for Sengun. Man, I don't know how you gonna stop that because you can't help off kd obviously, you know what I mean? You gotta try to make these other guys make plays. But man, they got guys stepping up, playing big Uncle Ocho boy. Hey, they finding a little fine tune rhythm and timing. You know, they getting their chemistry and continuity together over there at 10 and three. It's probably got them what, number two. Number two in the west right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, the Nuggets. 11 and three. Yeah, OKC.

[Shannon Sharpe]

OKC ain't lost but one.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they. They 15. They 15 and one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they might be better. They might be better than what they were last year.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

They finna try to beat the 70. What was that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The warriors had 73, 73 and nine.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You don't think they gonna try to get that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they're gonna try it, but man, you know how hard it is. I mean you lost nine games in an NBA season.

[Joe Johnson]

That's crazy, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

They got dudes coming in the game putting up a dub. I ain't never heard of these dudes coming out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, they got there, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

They got dudes o show. They got dudes coming in the game who would drop 20 on you. Like hold on, where the dude come from?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and all of them, they're never going to be on the court without at least three. Three wing defenders I'm talking about. And J Dub ain't played yet.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And then every time you look up, Shay got 33.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Check H. I told you. Now look, I told y' all doing the finals. I said the. The biggest thing for okc, for them to be a dynasty is if check hre can continue to improve and, and, and take his game to new, new heights. You know what I mean? Be efficient and be that rim protector, that Swiss army knife that is hard to guard. And man, he been bought. He'll probably be not probably he'll be an all star this year too, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. You know, this year Joe, they don't take positions, they just take the top vote getters.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, so basically what y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Normally you get the two bad court and the three bigs. Ain't none of that joke. You might have all. I mean obviously I think Shay, Luca, Steph, but you might have KD in the way. Shingoon. I mean theoretically, I, I think bronze gonna all. Brian is gonna be there with the votes because the fans.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm saying if by the time offset Bricky here, let's say they they. They don't. They lost three games. They 38, man. They gonna have to get at least two guys in there for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because then didn't Jdub go last year?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, he did go last year. He hadn't even played a game yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope.

[Joe Johnson]

J Dub, J Dub. Nice boy.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, he got some game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the Rock is gonna be tough because they got a guy that can go one on one. I mean, Shingoon, compost. KD obviously composed, but they got a ball. They got God. They can put the ball in his hand late and he can make it, make it happen. And that's kd. And Shingoon says, I don't have. I don't have a problem giving up, giving the ball up to a guy that I know that can make that shot. So they're gonna be tough. They got Armin Thompson that can defend and can score. You got big, big Adams, big Stephen Adams. He go, hey, he might not give you but four or five points a night, but he gonna give you double figure rebounds. He gonna see great screens.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Hey, hey, you know what? I think that's so underrated, especially in basketball. Like, you get you a guy who can really set good screens. Uncle Ocho can get guys open.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, or free him up.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I want him. I want him on my team. Every time I'm trying to get this jumper off. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, Joey, gonna need some help here. Time to play or fade. Presented by prize picks. Here's the 4 pick flex play ahead of tomorrow's game. Desmond bane, more than 20 basketball. We got basketball and football here. Desmond bane more than 20 and a half points versus the Clippers.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Where they playing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are they playing at? What are they playing, Ash? I think the Clippers on the road. In Orlando.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

In Orlando. Desmond Bane.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Banaro's out. So basically Wagner and. And Bane gonna be needing leading the scores. Anthony Black been playing very well.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, Ben Caro out. Okay. Yeah. I say B. I say bang. He probably. He'll probably drop a dub. The Clippers been struggling, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They've been struggling bad. I'm gonna go. I'm go more. James Harden more than five and a half rebounds.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. We going more. I don't know. Josh allen more than 225 passing yards against that stout. That stout Houston Texans defense in Houston.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, as stout as they are, as good as those two defense ends are, as great as Stingley is. He gonna get 225? Huh? He gonna get 225? Yeah, absolutely. Listen, Josh Allen is one. You Josh Allen is one you can't stop. He's one you can't stop. And they're. And they're able to impose their will. When it's time to run the ball, they're able to impose their will. So he gonna get them yard. Trust me.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

All right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho say trust him. So I'm trusting him more on Josh Allen. 224 and a half passing yards. Dalton Schultz, 38 and a half receiving yards.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, hey, that, hey, that's, that's your, that's your area expertise.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they hadn't been getting them a whole lot of opportunities lately. I like Bishop. I'm g. Say less. Less than 38 and a half receiving yards. 25 to win. 150. Download the app today. Use code SHANNON to get 50 off after you play your first five dollar lineup, prize picks. It's good to be right. All right, final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Pat Dub said Ocho 80 qualified for the World Cup. How's the vibe in Miami?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you know what? The vibe is crazy, right? I, I live all, I live very far. I live very far out west. But I'm sure if I was to go, you know, near the city, you know, where I grew up at. But I know they going crazy in Little Haiti right now. I know they're going crazy. Hey, Unc, you know what that mean? It's been 51 years. It's been 51 years, if I'm not mistaken, since Haiti is qualified for the World cup, maybe, maybe any competition of this magnitude, if I'm not mistaken. But you know, don't, don't quote me. But God damn it, that's dope. That, that's really dope, man. I'm excited for all my a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jason, CJ099OO. You were always losing. Don't tell us you never celebrated.

[Joe Johnson]

And obviously, obviously, obviously Jason wasn't listening very well. I specifically said if we weren't going into tire game or we weren't ahead, I didn't celebrate if we were losing. Like, listen, I was very self conscious and self aware when I celebrated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Christopher E. Evans Jr. Said, Do you guys think the Chiefs just might be burnt out because they play so many regular season and postseason games?

[Joe Johnson]

That's a good one. That's a great question. That's a great question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about Ocho. They've scored at this point last year. This last year they scored, they've scored more points, given up fewer points. Patrick Mahomes has more passing yards Last year at this point in time, they were seven and three.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This year they're five and five and five.

[Joe Johnson]

But you got. You got to understand, right, each time they get to the super bowl, things are gonna continue to get difficult, you know, if they're not gonna keep running through everybody each year like they always. Like they've always done. So now you get to a point where you're gonna have to have. You're gonna have to have. You're gonna have adversity. You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to, you know, get some hurdles. All those one score games you lost, you won last year. You're losing those one score games. You're losing them now. So I. I think anytime 15 had the chance to not only make it to the playoffs, but when. When the rubber meets the road, like you say, they're gonna win those games when it matters most. I never. I never count my homes out, regardless of them being 5, 500 or not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They need to get on the ball. They got some very tough guy. They got the Colts, and then on the short week, they got the Cowboys.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's gonna be nice.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

No, we gonna take advantage of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you feeling good about your Cowboys, huh?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Come on now. Come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't blame you. I don't blame you.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Henny H. Said Max Crosby is coming for him. Talking about Shador. Yeah. I just hope they keep him out. Ocho, you finally fixed the camera. I'm happy for you, but I'm upset it wasn't me who did it, but congrats.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh. Oh, yeah. Matter of fact, it wasn't even me. She's watching right now. She's the reason for it. She told me what to do. All my cable, all my HDMI cables.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I wasn't using Apple products, so. Because I have. Because I'm using the Apple. The Apple. The Apple camera. So I got all Apple stuff, you know, to go into the. So everything flows. All that, what? Out of market. How do you say it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Aftermarket.

[Joe Johnson]

Aftermarket stuff is the reason why it kept cutting off an hour into the show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you supposed. I mean, that's what you're supposed to do.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Why you laughing, Joe?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, bro, you so good.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. My baby. Hey, baby. I know you watching. Hey, girl. All right, all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

El pray says, Ocho, how was it playing alongside Steve Smith and Demetrius Posey back in college?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Rest in. Oh, rest in peace. Demetrius Posey. Demetrius. Posey was the better. Better of the three of us. Demetrius Posy. When we played in junior college, he was the real deal. He was the real deal. He's similar to like Andre Johnson, you know, kind of. Yeah. Yes, he. He seemed like. Same body style.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Joe Johnson]

Very aggressive play. Good hands, nice route runner. That's. That's who he was at that time. Unfortunately, he passed away. If I'm not mistaken, I think it might have been a car accident. And it was me, me, me, Demetrius posing and Steve Smith. And the Steve Smith. What you see now, what he saw in the league. Steve was already like that in college.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm talking about the little bads.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was. Hey, he was always like that in college. Mean as hell. Yeah, he was. He was always like that, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I bet Smitty, his first year in the league, he was a rookie.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he made it as a returner. And if I'm not mistaken, I think his daughter. I think he had a daughter at the time. He had a. He had a newborn. But I've always liked. He. He was always cool. As a matter of fact, I. I voted for it for offensive player of the year that year. He won the triple crown.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Daz react says, man, that's when you know you're locked in with her. Left my other one. When you fall asleep on the phone. That only happens when you see a future. It been a few times, you know what I'm saying? Been on the phone like four, five hours, Joe, you know what I'm saying? Back then, you know, when I was coming up, Joe, you had to keep putting that quarter in the pay phone. You have one minute left.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, and. And the funny thing about it. Remember when we used to have house phones?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know. You know, during the day, your mama say, man, stay off that phone in case anybody trying to call me. So, hey, hey, Joe, you wait till she fall asleep and you call your girl. And you know, ain't nobody gonna be calling the house past a certain time. Will you be? Hey, you be on. Somebody laid up chilling. Fall asleep. Hey, fall asleep with the phone. You pick it up in the morning. Hello? Hello? You still there? Yeah, yeah, I'm here. Hey, this is a good days, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get a phone, Joe? Hey, you're one of you trying to talk to the phone my grandma. Boy, get your ass out the phone and take this trash.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, are you wait till I get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On the phone to say that you could. Hey, you could have you wait y' all got your Phone and say that.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Hey, and I know y' all ain't on here on this three way time. My damn phone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, originally, Joe, when I first. When we first got the phone, there was one line. So your neighbors. If you was on the phone, your neighbors couldn't get on the phone, but your neighbors could pick up and hear you talking.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if you don't. If you want to use the phone, you would ask, like, Ms. Such and Such, can you get off the phone? We need to make a call right quick. Yeah, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You Barney's boys grand boy. Yes, ma'. Am. Okay. Okay. Can you get off the phone, Miss Such and such? Papa say he want to use the phone. All right, I. I'll be off in a few minutes, boys. Yeah, that's the way it was. Hey, and don't mess around and think you hung it up and the phone off the hook, because now it's gonna ring. Busy. Yeah. What? I've been trying to call you for the last 15 minutes. Who in the hell left that phone off the hood? It was an accident. Trust me. Nobody wanted to hear your mouth. If Shador gets hot, wins a few games, they gonna flex the Browns to prime time in a meaningless game. They all. They care. They don't care. They care about eyeballs. Who gonna watch? Yep. That's what they care about. Views.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And people want to see that, young man. They do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dr. Frankie Bellamy. Ocho, did you see Unk punching that bag on Club Shay? Shay, you might want to pay up that 6900. Just saying. Love y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All. Nah. Based off what I say, I'm. I'm a Rene gonna paying that money, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I'm hit. I'm have to hit it with one of them body blows. Make it pee on himself. Joe also say the coldest app, the coldest athlete quote y' all ever heard. Georgia packing up one suit for Game 6 in Phoenix. Cause he knew it was over.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, nothing like that, bro. You seen that on Last Dance Up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Where that man said, hey, hey, I'm only taking one suit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bill Parcels had it with the Giants. Because back then, you won when you won the championship game. The next the following week was the Super Bowl. It wasn't two weeks off like we got now, Ocho, to build it up and sell it, right? Coach Parcel said y' all packed for two weeks. Y' all pack for next week because you're not coming. We're not coming back.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pack beat San Francisco in San Fran and flew down to Tampa. That's when Whitney. That's when Whitney sung the national anthem. Just were flying over and she had that tracksuit on.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. One of the. Wait, if not the greatest national anthem ever sung for a sporting event. That is between her and Marvin Gaye when he's singing at the 84 NBA All Star.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All Star game. I think that was in Staples, too. No, it was a deform. It wasn't stapled. It was the form.

[Joe Johnson]

The great form. Yeah. Great Western Farm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he killed that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or your hoodlum. Kawhi Leonard ain't ish. If we take them rings away. You can't, though.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

You can't, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did that. I mean, Toronto. Think about what Toronto's been since he left. Think about Toronto couldn't get over the hump. Now, granted, LeBron had moved out west, but he got Toronto. Probably looks like gonna be their own loan championship. He did that. He won another championship with Tim Duncan. Them. He did that. He's a two time defensive player of the year. He's done that. No matter how you look at it, He's a top 75 player all time.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

And when he suit up, you know what you.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

He gonna get. He gonna give you what you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Carlin Liberton shout out to Haitian soccer team for the World cup qualification. Yes. Congratulations, Haiti. The great nation of Haiti qualified for the World Cup. David Florence should ATL look to get Shador.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

How.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dion is head coach, man, I'm afraid if Raheem don't turn this thing around, they gonna. They gonna make a move, man. Because that's not. It's. I mean, you pay 100 plus million for cousins, you take a quarterback with an injury history, ain't no guarantee oo that. That. That. That Penny Jr. Gonna be able to start the season.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he had a history. Yeah, he had an injury history.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait, you know that. You know that going into it. That's why they have a scouting department.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They have the people that. That you weigh. You weigh your pros and your cons, and obviously there was nobody else available at that time. And when he was on the board. That's a chance you can't pass up. We got to take a chance on him. And that's what they did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, JJ said we need you to go back to 2026 on the dot, not a second later.

[Joe Johnson]

I told you. I told you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you got to get the people what they need.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we got something coming for y' all tomorrow. So be on the lookout. J.J. carver, move like Pop Tart crust. Just high security or a couple of Y ends.

[Joe Johnson]

I, I, I am. I'm security.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't really go places where they gonna be no problem. I'm going to a place, you know, we, we try to have a good time. You know, I ain't bother nobody. Everybody just want to say, hey, how you doing, man? Blah, blah, blah. Hey. I, I don't, I don't go to places where there's something you might even. I even think something might pop off.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'd be there. You good. I'd be there. If it do pop off, I'll be there. You know, I'm, I'm security.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Junior locks. How you mofos get over? You think someone you think is cheating and you got that gut feeling. Well, it all depends. I'm assuming we're talking about card games or shooting dice or something like that. Ocho, I think that's what he's talking about.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I need, I need better context I could take.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think you can think about in a. Maybe, I guess, a video game, I bet. Can you cheat in Madden or something like that. Call of Duty or something like that? Can you cheat?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you, you can. You can. You can manipulate the games. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I. Look, look, if I face somebody cheating, I just ain't gonna play with them no more.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

I'm just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's the end of for me because I, I can't. I can't because I know I am. I, I don't like losing anyway. And then you cheat me on top of it, right? And a lot of times, you know, with a joke, with cheating Joe, he talking trash. Hell no. Nah, Jay, just. Hey, just chalk it up to the game and say, man, I'm up out of here, man. I ain't, I ain't. I ain't fooling with y' all no more. 5o. Say, it's my fiance's birthday on Friday. Can you wish her a happy birthday? Her name is Charity. Charity, Happy birthday. Your fiance wanted to wish you a happy birthday. He wanted to let you know also that you know what you completed. The happiest day of his life was when he met you. The second happiest day when you said yes, you would marry him. The third happiest day when it actually happens. So, Charity, to you and your fiance, congrats. Many, many years of blissful marriage and happy early birthday, man.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Got him a Scorpio, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I guess. I don't know about no signs. I just know cancer and Leo.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, my brother, I think my brother. April 6th, I think he might be. He might be an Aries or something. That sound about right?

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

April 6th.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, he Aries. Okay. I don't know about this. I don't know. You know. You know, I'm just. Oh, cancer, you know, soft, hard shell. Nice. So, you know, I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know, took a while to get, you know, get through, but once you get through, man, this guy, oh my gosh, he's really nice. He's a great guy.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll vouch for him. You know what I'm saying? I'll vouch for Mojo. He's a great guy. Yeah. Oh, Helen, I love what you've done to the place. Oh, my gosh. Oh, yes, me and we were in the Hamptons, you know, just a couple of bottles of wine, just some friends. It was awesome. You gotta see it sometime. Just come up to the place. Oh, show. Just come up. You and your girl come up to the place, Joe.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You have an open invitation. It's great. It's. Oh, this time of year is magnificent. No, it's really the spring. Spring or summer. That's our summer home. You know, we got a place in the Hamptons, the south of France. We've got a flat in London, guys. It's awesome. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. That is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree. A former pro Bowler and an all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And the third member of the Big three every Wednesday night. He joins us from. He's an Arkansas love. He's a Arkansas native, a seven time NBA all star, ISO, Joe Johnson. Thank you again, Joe, for joining us. Appreciate that. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit like, hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Head over to laportierconac.com if you cannot find shade by laportier in a state or city near you, just order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and be safe. Head over to my media company and follow it on all of its platforms Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being pinned in the chat, Shador Sanders will make his first NFL start this week against the Los Angeles Raiders. It's going to be a great game. I expect Shadow to go out there and play well. He gets an opportunity to practice, gets an opportunity to throw the ball to the receiver they get. And guess what? They're going to call plays that he likes. He's going to get an opportunity to run an offense that he likes. I can't wait to see that young man in action again. Thank you guys for joining us. Ocho and I'll be back tomorrow after the Bills Texans game. So thank you guys for joining us. Joe, thank you. I'm up.

[Ocho (Chad Johnson)]

Appreciate it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's ISO, Joe. We'll see you back tomorrow night after Thursday Night Football. Foreign.

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