Nightcap - Hour 2: Jayden Daniels ROTY, Rodgers vs. Saleh, Bryce Young turnaround season

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay
Episode: Nightcap - Hour 2: Jayden Daniels ROTY, Rodgers vs. Saleh, Bryce Young Turnaround Season
Release Date: February 2, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe delves deep into the current landscape of the NFL, focusing on emerging talents, quarterback dynamics, and the intricate relationships between players and team management. Joining him is sports analyst Ocho Cinco, who provides insightful commentary and analysis throughout the discussion.

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1. Jayden Daniels: Rookie of the Year (ROTY) Contention

Shannon Sharpe opens the conversation by highlighting Jayden Daniels' impressive rookie season, positioning him as a strong contender for the Rookie of the Year award.

• Shannon Sharpe [10:39]:
  "Jaden Daniels is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He's the gospel. He's him. H, period. I, period. M. Yeah, he's him."

Sharpe praises Daniels' performance metrics, noting his efficiency and leadership on the field.

• Shannon Sharpe [10:53]:
  "He is 21 of 23, 254 yards, 2 touchdowns, 0 turnovers, 91 completion percentage."

Ocho Cinco underscores Daniels' potential and the rarity of his early success, comparing his rookie trajectory to other standout quarterbacks like Randy Moss and Justin Jefferson.

• Ocho Cinco [12:56]:
  "Why is it that some rookies can come in their rookie year and look like they've been before? The CJ Shrouds, the Jayden Daniels…"

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2. Rodgers vs. Saleh: Quarterback and Management Dynamics

The discussion shifts to the evolving relationship between quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers and team executives such as Matt Saleh. Sharpe expresses skepticism about the long-term viability of certain management decisions.

• Shannon Sharpe [05:14]:
  "No, you already again, Andy Dalton. If Andy Dalton is the answer, I need to know the question you're asking."

Sharpe criticizes the Carolina Panthers' management, suggesting that their impatience with Bryce Young could lead to detrimental decisions that impede the team's progress.

• Shannon Sharpe [05:30]:
  "You're never going to get what you gave up to get it. Despite the fact Dave Canalis said Carolina Panthers did not intend to trade the former number one overall pick..."

Ocho Cinco agrees, highlighting the thin leash administrators might have and the potential fallout of trading a promising quarterback too early.

• Ocho Cinco [06:07]:
  "They have to have patience. You can’t just buy your way into winning. It takes time."

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3. Bryce Young's Turnaround Season and Future Prospects

A significant portion of the episode centers on Bryce Young's performance and the surrounding controversies. Sharpe critiques the Panthers' handling of Young, suggesting that the management lacks the patience necessary for a young quarterback's development.

• Shannon Sharpe [07:42]:
  "Some quarterbacks have personal issues affecting their play, but that's not always the case. However, in Bryce Young's situation..."

They debate whether Young's performance issues stem from personal distractions or inadequate team support, with Sharpe emphasizing the importance of giving quarterbacks the tools and time they need to succeed.

• Shannon Sharpe [09:30]:
  "He wanted that bad. He wanted that. Two bills at 199."

Ocho Cinco speculates on potential team moves and the necessity for the Panthers to possibly trade Young if improvements aren't seen.

• Ocho Cinco [10:39]:
  "He can bring excitement. It might not be as bad as you think."

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4. Team Management and Quarterback Development

The hosts explore broader themes of team management, particularly how decisions impact quarterback performance. Sharpe uses historical examples to underline his points, comparing current scenarios to past NFL management pitfalls.

• Shannon Sharpe [14:21]:
  "Cliff Kingsbury and Lincoln Riley can coach quarterbacks like no other. They put quarterbacks in the best positions to succeed."

Conversely, Sharpe criticizes managers who lack the vision or patience to develop their quarterbacks properly, potentially leading to declining performances.

• Shannon Sharpe [16:04]:
  "If you miss that, you miss on that guy. You might not be in a position to draft another one."

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5. The Impact of Personal Life on Performance

Sharpe and Ocho Cinco briefly touch upon how a quarterback's personal life can influence their on-field performance, though they agree it's not always the primary factor.

• Shannon Sharpe [06:54]:
  "Sometimes personal issues play a role, but it's not always the case."

• Ocho Cinco [07:48]:
  "It can be a distraction, but I don't think that played a factor this time."

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6. Trade Speculations and Team Future

The conversation moves towards trade speculations, including potential moves involving Devonte Adams and the Raiders. Sharpe questions the feasibility of acquiring top-tier talent without giving up significant assets.

• Shannon Sharpe [32:43]:
  "You're never going to get what you gave up to get it."

Ocho Cinco discusses the challenges teams face in restructuring, particularly when dealing with high-profile players and limited trade assets.

• Ocho Cinco [34:23]:
  "Whatever you want, but you can't get them without sacrificing a lot."

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7. Concluding Thoughts

Sharpe wraps up the discussion by reiterating the importance of patience and strategic management in developing quarterbacks and building successful teams. He emphasizes that without these elements, even the most talented players can underperform.

• Shannon Sharpe [37:56]:
  "They don’t deserve to be on the field, but we're going to keep hyping them up. They believe it, and that’s what great leaders do."

Ocho Cinco echoes the sentiment, highlighting the cyclical nature of team management and player performance issues.

• Ocho Cinco [39:47]:
  "They're not listening, they keep doing the same things, and the cycle never ends."

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [10:39]:
  "Jaden Daniels is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He's the gospel. He's him."

• Shannon Sharpe [05:14]:
  "If Andy Dalton is the answer, I need to know the question you're asking."

• Ocho Cinco [12:56]:
  "Why is it that some rookies can come in their rookie year and look like they've been before?"

• Shannon Sharpe [37:56]:
  "He doesn’t deserve to be on the field, but we're going to keep hyping them up."

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a comprehensive look into the current NFL quarterback scene, emphasizing the delicate balance between player development and team management. Shannon Sharpe and Ocho Cinco provide a blend of praise for emerging talents like Jayden Daniels and critical analysis of management decisions impacting players like Bryce Young. Their insightful dialogue underscores the complexities of building a successful NFL team and the pivotal role of patience and strategic planning in achieving long-term success.

For more in-depth discussions and expert NFL analysis, tune into Club Shay Shay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or your preferred podcast platform.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

According to Adam Schefter, several teams have expressed interest in trading for Bryce Young. You're never going to get what you gave up to get it. Despite the fact Dave Canalis said Carolina Panthers did not intend to trade the former number one overall pick, he said you weren't going to bench him either. According to Shefter. Although the Panthers have said they don't plan to trade Young at this time, sources around the league believe it's only a matter of time before Carolina actually does complete a deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'd like to see him. I'd like to see a change of scenery. I'd like to see a change of scenery. Where he goes is very important. I'm not sure if he'll be a starter, but maybe due to injury. Based on where he goes. If a starting quarterback goes down and he's able to get in there with an adequate offense with a good supporting cast, then we can get to see the Bryce Young that we're used to seeing when he was at Alabama and it's unfortunate that it came to this and I think the benching is so early and only a second year because of the impatience patience of Dave of Mr. Tepper and Dave Canelis knows that knows that very well. You know to fire Frank wright Frank Wright 11 games in in the season because things weren't going well. Mr. Canelis knows that as well. He knows his leash is short if they don't continue to win, and he just felt that they couldn't win. Bryce Young at the time, and he's gonna learn. He's gonna learn. I don't think much is going to change with Andy Dalton at the helm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you already again, Andy Dalton. If Andy Dalton is the answer, I need to know the question you're asking. Second of all, Mocho, do you realize how far you would have set this organization back? Because if you miss that, you miss on that guy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, you're probably not going to be in a position to draft another one. And if you do, then what? If you don't surround. If you draft another quarterback and you don't surround it with anything, the same thing's gonna happen to that quarterback that happened to this one. Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

To square one. And it's probably going to keep happening until they. They draft. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm not. The way he treated Steve Wilkes after he turned that program around with Matt Rule, and you didn't even give him a. I don't wish bad. I'm just like my grandma used to say, boy, I don't wish bad on nobody, but I sure don't wish good on him either. So I'm not saying I wish bad, but I don't wish. I don't wish prosperity either. Yeah. I just think he's handled some situations very poorly. I think Steve Wilkes deserves an opportunity to get that job, and hopefully another opportunity presents itself for Steve. But that was a very. That was a very. I mean, he doesn't have patience. I don't know how he thought he was going to be a great owner without patience, because you got to have that. You got to have it.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's rule number one. That's rule number one in business in general. Forget owning a team, being an entrepreneur, running a business. And now. Now we talk about the NFL like, you can't. You can't use money and buy your way into winning. It takes time. It takes time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then, you know, they showed a situation. I think his. His ex is dating Tyrese Max. I think they're like, that's on his mind. You see what I said, Ocho? You see? You think so if you keep. If you keep your stuff private. If you keep your stuff private, you can break up in private.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you date publicly, you're gonna have to break up publicly, and then everybody gonna start speculating. That's why he playing bad. That may or may not know the Case. But I've seen guys. They have no girlfriend to play like crap guys be married and play terrible. I mean, we got to stop automatically assume because somebody's playing bad, there's something going on in their lives that's leading them to play bad. That's not always the case. Now that can be the case. Have I seen it? Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Yeah. It can be a distraction. It can be a distraction, but I don't think that played a factor. I'm assuming they probably been. They haven't been together for a while. Especially for her to be moving on like that in public.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean moving on when I was supposed to do wait?

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, you know what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know what you're saying. I know what you said.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they've been done. We just catch a window because they. She's just going in public now. She's not yours. It's just your turn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that's the thing. I mean, is there a time limit on. Joe, you break up. You break up with something, you break up with somebody. Is there the time limit in which you can go public with another person?

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no, I. I don't think there's a time limit, but I. I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, you need problems. I need to know you hurt. Because if you ain't. If you right away, you ain't love me anyway.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, listen, forget about love. Forget about love. If she moves on right away, she was already talking to that individual, you know, planting that seed while y'all were still together. That's why the tr. That's why the transition and moving on was so easy, because she, for once, he was already mentally checked out anyway. And she moves on and moves on fast. That person was already in play anyway. And if he's smart, you have a better understanding. Anyway, if she's willing to deal with you while you with me at some point as time goes on, then you're gonna get. You're gonna get the same treatment, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotta pick up.

[Ocho Cinco]

So it's a cycle. The cycle. The cycle never ends.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My grandpa used to say, boy, if they'll cheat with you, they'll cheat on you. Don't let that go over your head, Chat.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, listen, I. I've said I've said it before myself. I've said I've said it before myself. Whatever they're willing to do with you when they're not yours, they will do to you when they belong to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, that's a feed.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the cycle. The psych. The cycle will continue to repeat itself. Over and over and over and over, no matter what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you say they do what they do for you and they, you know, they knew because you say all of a sudden, woman start working out red say, boy, she get ready for somebody else to seal naked. Hey, that's when you just slept out of that trip. Like real.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Hey, that's. That's the wonderful thing, what we call life. And one thing about human nature.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One.

[Ocho Cinco]

Thing about human nature. Human nature is undefeated. Undefeated. You can post as many quotes as you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can say, they'll be killing me with that Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

And don't live by quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God. God in my life. God child. What?

[Ocho Cinco]

Don't live by Nan. Bit of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And got a head on the Bible and dude beating her back in. But she God child. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Jaden Daniels is Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. He's the gospel. He's him. H, period. I, period. M. Yeah, he's him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is 21 of 23, 254 yards, 2 touchdowns, 0 turnovers, 91 completion percentage. He goes on the road in a hostile environment against the Bengals. And they. We know the Bengals. The crowd is going to be raucous. They're 0 and 2. They don't want to go down. 03. It's very, very hard to make the playoffs going down. 03, because guess what? In order for you to get back to.500, you got to win your next three games. That gets you back at 500. You have a slip up, you could easily be 1 and 5 or 2. And matter of fact, not.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not to make matters worse. Huh? Ask. Ask. I'm not even gonna say it. Ask. Ask who we play next? Watch this. Ass. Ass. Who the bang will play next?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't y'all got. Don't y'all got Baltimore? No Baltimore. Oh, y'all got the Panthers. That's a win for the Panthers. I got the Panthers. That's easy. That's easy. Dude. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't. Who.

[Ocho Cinco]

Who you got?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Panther circle. Y'all on the schedule.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to that game. Not back. Back to this game. Listen, Jaden Daniels was phenomenal. Jaden. Jaden Daniels at the quarterback position played phenomenal tonight. Listen, the franchise, the commander franchise, they got them one. They got them a 1012 year. They got them a 1012 Year franchise quarterback. And we got a small sample size of it at lsu. I didn't expect him to come in this early. As a rookie. And this is the question I'm going to ask you as a rookie and look this good, this early. And my question to you, Anki, is what you might have a better, better way of answering. Why is it that some rookies can come in their rookie year and look the par, to look like they've been before? The CJ Shrouds, the Jaden, the Jaden Daniels. And then you have other rookies that don't look the par. They struggle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

They don't do well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's with any position. Some wide receivers come in and you get a Randy Moss or you get a Puka Nakua or you get a Justin Jefferson. And then sometimes, guys, it takes a little longer. Everybody doesn't mature. Some people reach maturity at 18. Some people it takes them 21. Some people take some 25. Some people never damn mature. But you do. It all depends on. Look, the one thing we know about Cliff Kingsbury, he can call some quarterbacks.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ian Lincoln Riley can coach quarterbacks. Now we can. You can say what you want to say about them as head coaches, but when it comes to running an offense, when it comes to putting a quarterback and taking what he does really well and taking and accentuating that and putting him in the most positive position so he can have success, it's hard to say somebody is better than those two. Now, Sarkeesian might have something to say about that because we know what he's done with quarterbacks in his tenure as an OC and a head coach. But that's the one thing Cliff Kingsbury, Lincoln Riley can do. They can coach the quarterback position and he has a quarterback processes information very well. He sees the field very well. He had Terry McLaurin earlier on a seven route and he threw it out of bounds. 100% of the balls that land out of bounds, the incomplete. But you say what he did on that next one, he put it up under duress, gave McLaren an opportunity, keep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Him in bounds in the bread basket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And McLaren did a great job of holding on to it. O this young man, I mean, the moment is not too big. You saw what he did at LSU last year. He won the Heisman Trophy. He was sensational. Dual threat quarterback. But the thing that I love most about him, he's not relying on his legs. He will only run if it's absolutely necessary. This was supposed to be marquee year for the Dolphins. So far, it's turned into a night where, as it stands, Tua will not be able to practice and play until week Eight at the earliest. And even that might be a hopeful timeline. While the schedule is extremely favorable until that time they get the Titans, Patriots, Colts and Cardinals. It's tough to favor Miami based on their quarterback situation.

[Ocho Cinco]

Brother Skylar Thompson is hurt. Tyler Huntley is stepping in. Tyler Huntley has played some good football when he's with the Ravens. Like, I think he can bring a little bit of excitement.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a different type of offense, though. That was a run based offense.

[Ocho Cinco]

This from a passing standpoint, I think. I think he'll be a little bit, Little bit better than being able to get that goddamn ball to waddle. Being able to get that ball of cheese up. Being able to get that ball of. Yeah, I think we gonna be. I think we gonna be all right now. Got a nice little dual threat quarterback. He pull it down and run with it when he need to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check this out.

[Ocho Cinco]

It might not be as bad as you think. If he can. If he can. If he can get in the boys about maybe the 2 and 2. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's bad.

[Ocho Cinco]

So you. You don't believe in Tyler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's bad.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, it's not as bad as you may think it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think it's worse.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm not saying that we. We bringing in Lamar Jackson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't calling him Lamar Jackson, but the man, he can play some ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you know Huntley with a fridge. You know Huntley with a fridge in.

[Ocho Cinco]

At one time, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

A free agent, which means any other 32.

[Ocho Cinco]

Sometimes, you know, they do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know that team could have signed it. Oh, you'll stop. Not if you're a quarterback. They might do that some other positions. Not that position because it's too valuable. It's too valuable a plot of land.

[Ocho Cinco]

But I ain't gonna say it. I don't even feel like being controversial. But don't worry about it. I'll let that one go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, is that look there are Ryan Tannehills available. Cam Newton is available. I don't know if Cam really wants to play or if he's in shape to play football. Desmond Ritter. Who possible trade targets.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bryce Wait to go where?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell Wilson, Carson Wentz to Miami.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bryce Young and TUA on the same team. I wonder why they. I mean, what other quarterbacks out there that are for me with that offense? I like Tannehill. He would have been nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz run Ran a. A variance of it under Doug Peterson. Doug Peterson. Andy Reid got the west coast system from Coach Parcels Mike Holmgren. So it's a, it's a, it's a offshoot of it. It's not, it's not like Kyle Shanahan and Sean Vay and Mike McDaniel, all those guys. Really? Yeah, but it's, it's a, it's an offshoot of it. Or they could tank and get the number one pick.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, you know how difficult it is to tank.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you might get, and you might get Travis Hunter. Or you could get your door.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wait. Jacksonville?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no. Miami.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, no. I'm thinking about the quarterback situation because I'm thinking about being a bust. I, I, I hate using that word. I hate using that word for that position, especially when you go as high as number one to Miami should do her.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's, that's, no, that's impossible because you just paid tour. That's impossible. Damn, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I mean, sometimes people build a new house and sell it.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, not really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Times people build a new house and sell it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not really. I, I've never, I've never heard of that one. If you build something, you're gonna be that longer than three or five years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are you trying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm looking to flip. That's a good one.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe they go get Joe Flacco.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now that. Now that's a good move. You talk about you want to. You want to add a spark to your offense and not miss a beat or a step. You go get you a Joe Flacco. But, yeah, you do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, push it down the field. Now he got an army. He ain't gonna move. Now the Statue of Liberty has moved more than Joe. Joe Flacco in the last 175 years.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, 150. But anyway, you get where I'm going. Derrick Henry, 209 total yards. A buck 99 on the ground. He caught a touchdown pass. The Ravens look very, very good tonight. And all three phases of the game, offense, defense, special teams. The special team didn't really. The kicking game really didn't come into play because when they got the ball down there, they got the ball into the end zone. The Baltimore Ravens are starting to look like the Baltimore Ravens. We expected them to look like Lamar Jackson. Again, outstanding performance for. What was he? 13 of 18, 156, two touchdowns, no turnovers. Derrick Henry, 24 for 199. I wanted him to get that, man. He wanted that thing bad. He wanted that. Two bills at 199.

[Unknown]

Gotta give you the word. Like, I have a staff, man. They tell. Like last last week, just yesterday, they came and told me, hey, Travis, need 10 more yards to go for another 100 for his, like, six consecutive game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Unknown]

So we was getting ready to try to get him a quick slant or something to get him his 10 more yards, because we're aware of that stuff. But the game, it played out differently, and I didn't want to be insulting to throw him a ball when we're up, you know, right by margin. So the staff tells you that they should have gotten that one more yard, man, Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Well, he needed. He needed six. No, he needed four because he had 196. He came and he got two. He got upset. Cause on the last. The last possession, they tossed it to him and he wanted a straight handoff. He wanted to hand it to him. Let the. He didn't want to Toss because he know the defense is going to be flowing. Because if you know you need that many yards, guess who else know you need that many yards?

[Unknown]

But all these big plays came from the tall sweeps, though. That, that, that. That's probably why they did that. All his big runs, he broke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did. And the fullback. But I didn't like it because what they did is they had the full back. They had to fall back in the offset. So I like him straight up in the eye. But when you watch this game, Ocho, what did you like about what you saw from the Ravens?

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, they look completely different than what they look the previous. What, Week one, Week one and two. Yeah. Being able to run the ball, I kind of feel sorry for the receivers. I feel sorry for Zay a little bit. I feel sorry for Aguilar, Mark Andrews, and likely because they're not getting. They're not getting the touches. I think they should because the running game is so efficient. Especially tonight, the play action worked a little bit better because the running game was so efficient. Derrick Henry doing what Derek. Derrick Henry does. We saw the Derek Henry of O that we saw when he was with Tennessee, somewhat in his prime, obviously being able to hit his head off the goal post. And I'm not sure how. How old Derek Henry is, but what he went 97, 95. And nobody.

[Unknown]

They couldn't catch him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

87.

[Ocho Cinco]

Couldn't catch it.

[Unknown]

He had great win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had great win. Yeah, there you go. There you go. What.

[Unknown]

What don't you mean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was I saying? Let's lose to the Broncos. Aaron Rodgers annoyed at solace comments on offensive cadence.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's not good quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, head coach said one thing. Start playing saying something different.

[Unknown]

Me, because I be on the cross like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cross send.

[Unknown]

They be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Send. Barabbas.

[Unknown]

I be on the cross. That was me.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gotta get on the same.

[Unknown]

Hey, man. Lord.

[Ocho Cinco]

They need to be same page.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When. When it. Hold on. OO when has he. When has Rogers ever been on the same page? He marched to the beat of his.

[Ocho Cinco]

Own coach out there. You can't. You can't do your coach like that. You can't throw your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's always done that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's always done it. When has he not done it? And see, that's what happens when you're great like that. You got MVPs, you want a Super Bowl, Ain't nobody gonna say anything.

[Unknown]

Hold on. Let's get this straight, big fella. Everybody on this thing was great. Now we ain't liking greatness on this Call.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, but I'm saying. But you know the time. You know how when it comes to the quarterbacks, the more, the more, the more hardware you have, the greater you are, the greater people are willing to sweep what you say, what you do under the car.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got to forget who's saying it. Now, you change the quarterback that makes a statement like that, they ain't sweeping nothing under the rug. And Roger, get away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, thank you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Stay with me now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take my point.

[Unknown]

But when. When does it. When does it stop?

[Ocho Cinco]

Never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Never.

[Unknown]

No, no, no. Every one thing about it. Everybody in this game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Unknown]

Has a shot clock. Yeah, Everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess what happens. It happens to everybody. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you.

[Unknown]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you not see what happened in Green Bay with the quarterback before Aaron Rodgers? Did you not see what happened to Aaron Rodgers? They will tolerate you. Go back and look. Ab. Situation in Pittsburgh. They will tolerate you until they can replace you. And when they replace you. Yeah, they done. It happens.

[Unknown]

Ab. Shannon ain't talking about you because, you know. Ab. Shoot back chat. I just want you. I'm just trying to say. You be relentless on this one. I love you, dog. Leave it alone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time. The one thing. The one thing I've learned about you, what you told me, is the. Hey, block that noise out. You know who you are?

[Unknown]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody. Somebody saying this about you or calling you this, you know, that's not who you are. So why does somebody that you. You don't even have no dealings with saying something about you bother you.

[Unknown]

That's right. It's the attraction. It's the attraction. Most people are attracted to hate. I'm attracted to love. Show me you love me. I got you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, I'm attracted to love, too, but I need a little bit of hate. Huh? Prime. I like a little. I need. I need a little bit. I need a little balance. Like on Twitter. Like, see you.

[Unknown]

You probably got ping pong pedals on your bed and you ain't got no ping pong tape. You probably want to be spanking all that.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got a whole. I got a whole dungeon. I got a whole. Done.

[Unknown]

Yeah, see, I don't want to hear that.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm just telling you about me.

[Unknown]

You got.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got a swing set, right?

[Unknown]

No, I do not want to see it, though.

[Ocho Cinco]

For those of you. You saw the movie 50 Shades of Gray, that was my script. They took. They took the field. I sent in footage. I was supposed to be Christian. Great. I was supposed to play that part in the footage I sent in visual reference to show them what I had and what I could do and what I do at home in my little dungeon. And they went and made a movie out of. I sued and all.

[Unknown]

The sad thing about it, sad thing about it, it's a little true to that, what you're saying. See, that's the thing that they don't understand. It's a little to every good joke.

[Ocho Cinco]

It'S a little truth my last name at heart. And I don't tell no jokes. I lie for you before I lie to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, y'all, hey, I'm clean. I'm clean as they come up time. You know me. I'm clean as they come time. Ocho. Antonio Pierce, head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders like the nig Post speculating that devonte Adams might have played his last snap with the Raiders. Don't be. Sports Illustrated wrote, don't be surprised if devonte Adams has already played his last snap with the Raiders. Michael Fabini. How do you say his last name? Michael Fabiano liked by Antonio.

[Ocho Cinco]

You have to understand when you see. When you hear things like that or when media has speculations like that, it comes from somewhere, huh? It ain't. It ain't coming out. It ain't coming out the air. It ain't coming out the air. So the fact that we're in the social media area. Antonio Pierce and many other coaches have social media as well. And the fact of him liking it. What did Antonio Pierce say in his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He says, I have some guys out there making business decisions, and we will make business decisions.

[Ocho Cinco]

Devonte Adams happens to end up with the New York Jets. I said it first. If devonte Adams happens to end up. There was one more team that was a needed reseal. If devontae Adams happened to end up in Kansas City. Kansas City first. Okay. Kansas City. It will be Amari Cooper. You could book that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or what you call them or. Hey, I'm sure. I'm sure what you call. Want to go there too.

[Ocho Cinco]

But I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I was surprised that they didn't get D hop when he was available.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they weren't paying enough money, remember?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought that would be a good.

[Ocho Cinco]

They were cutting me short on the cash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Throw me the bag. You know. You know what I can do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing. Oh, is that what you gave up to get Devonte? You're not going. Nobody gonna give. Nobody's gonna give you two first rounders to take to get a wide receiver because Guess what? I know you want to get rid of him. See, Tyreek got what he wanted because it caught everybody off guard. Nobody that. Hey. What? Nothing. There was no. There was no speculation. As a matter of fact, they had just. Did they lose the Super Bowl? They had just lost the Super Bowl. I think they lost. They lost to Tampa. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. No, they know. No, no, no, no. They lost to Cincinnati in the championship game. That was Tyreek's last game. Because, remember, they ended up picking a pass. He threw a deep pass, and it ended up getting picked off to Tyreek. Nobody knew that Tyreek wasn't available. Drew wanted to do a deal. Tyreek wanted to be a highest paid. The one thing is, hey, they're not gonna let you force the hand. Andy says, okay, hey, you can go shop yourself. So it's like, hold on. We mean, we can get Tyreek knowing that. There are some teams out there, Ocho, they really need a receiver. You talking about one of the top three of one of the top one. He probably ain't gonna get past three. So you got one of the top three receivers available.

[Ocho Cinco]

Whatever you. Whatever you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it going to take to get him? Whatever you want.

[Ocho Cinco]

But listen, you got to understand that them Kansas City Chiefs are in dire need of. Of a playmaker.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I don't think they give.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't think they give a first rounders at this point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, no, that's my point. You're not gonna get in return what you. Oh, so you know how it is. You buy a car, the likelihood of you B. You go buy a car right off the lot, keep it for three weeks.

[Ocho Cinco]

You'Re not gonna get what you pay. I think the Raiders understand that. But why would you continuously keep a player that's not happy around that? Let it be known that he's not happy and he wants to be out. He's not vocal about it, but look at his body language. Look at his mannerisms, right? You know, they gonna make it happen. I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is not what he signed up for. He thought that when he came there, he was going to play with his college teammate. That's what he thought. And after one year, his college teammate was gone. And so now he played it. He played with Aiden O'Connell. He's like, Bro, who gonna give me the ball? Because y'all got. Y'all got people out here thinking, I'm. I'm losing the step. I'm stepping off a cliff, and y'all not paying attention. Who throwing me the ball? I had Aaron Rodgers. I come, I get Derek Carr, and guess what? I still go for 1500. Make first team All Pro. My first year with a new team. They trade quarterbacks, and we got these quarterbacks that's throwing me the ball. And y'all expect me to make, you know, wine out of what y'all didn't. At least if y'all gave me water and grapes, I could make wine. Y'all give me vinegar and say, go make wine with it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Turn water into wine, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but they said what? Devonte said. Well, that's what y'all want me to do. Just give me some. Give me some grapes. I get the stomping, a little water, sugar. I. I can make something happen out of that. But you gave me vinegar. It's going to be bitter.

[Ocho Cinco]

He gonna be all right. They gonna listen. Antonio Pierce said you're gonna make some business decisions. They're gonna make it. And I'm telling you, if you end up with the jets or if you end up with the Chiefs, I said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, because that's 28, 29 million. Yeah, 20. Hold on, O. Let me ask you a question. And this is what I tell people all the time, but they need to pay him. I said, where did they finish in the division last year? Last. Well, they can finish that without it. I mean, oh, yo, you can finish lasting division. Got 29, 30, 40, $50 million. I mean, if I'm paying that kind of money, shouldn't I be first? I mean, on the cusp of being first now, they had a huge comfort behind win, down 10 points again to Cleveland. They came back, beat Baltimore down 10 points. So they have resiliency, they have resolved.

[Ocho Cinco]

Remember? You remember now? In order. In order to be. In order to. To. To be efficient, you know, offensive, you got to have. You got to have some dogs now. You got to have some dogs now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. I just think. Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're gonna be able to dance with it with the Rottweilers. That ain't gonna happen. You got to have some dogs out there to be able to compete.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do. I just think devontae at this point, would be happier elsewhere.

[Ocho Cinco]

He won't say. He won't say it, but I said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For him, it is. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, he's like, I've worn up my welcome here. I can only do so much. I play a very dependent position, and the people that I'm depending on, I can't or I shouldn't be. There ain't nothing worse than Being Ocho, you know how you like, you need a ride and need somebody to take you somewhere and you already know, hey, bro, I need to be here by X time. And you are the worst thing you to do in anything. Need a ride, Be in a relationship where you're dependent on that person, you know, because you, you get dependent on a person to treat you like any kind of. Think about it. Somebody making the money, they expect you to take whatever they, whatever they dishing out. Where you gonna go? Who gonna treat you like me? Well, I can go anywhere and get treated just like this here. I might not have the means, but at the end of the day, you treat me like stir Frank.

[Ocho Cinco]

A lot, a lot of folks in situations like that. Now you preaching now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is, it is. But it's like my grandfather and I tell this all the time. I remember my grandfather very vividly telling my aunts because they had gotten grown, they were still at the house and they wanted to come in, you know, they wanted to come in 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. My grandfather say, don't grumble and stay, grumble and leave. He said, tell me what, Tell me what a sob I am at your place, but you ain't gonna tell me what I am at mine. Cause you're not coming in here at the time that you want to. Grown folks have their own place. Whole bunch of grown folks don't stay with other grown folks and then try to tell them how to run their house.

[Ocho Cinco]

It sound like roommates, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't happening at Barney Porter's house. So guess what happened. They got this stuff in there. Don't grumble and stay, grumble and leave. Tell me what a mofo I am at your place, right? Man, I can't stand that mofo. He make me sick. But you at your place saying that. You're not gonna say that here, you know. Hey. Oh, Joe, man, look here. Yeah, you talk about Hurricane Paulie. Paula, look here. Barney Porter, they play the draws. Amen. He did not play with his kids or nobody kids. It was. He was matter of right. Imagine what I am magnified times 10. When that joker say, I'm gonna be at your house a certain amount of time, you better be sitting on that porch when he, when he said, I'm coming to pick them, I'm coming to pick them kids up to go to Bible study or go to Sunday school right there. And I'm gonna be there X time. It was no, hold on.

[Ocho Cinco]

Mr. Barney better be ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no. What do you think we Got that from Ocho. He did not play that. When that man said, we leaving for church at this time, Lord have mercy. I should have had my brother tell you. Ask him. Yeah, that joker didn't play at all. He was quick to say, look here, all that Joker and Kiki kid. He said, great. Grown men don't play like that. All that Kiki key. That's where I get that Kiki key from. Oh, no. But I tell you what, Chad, if y'all see my brother asking, say, say, Sterling, man, I heard your brother talking about your grandfather. Tell us what he was like, see what he say.

[Ocho Cinco]

Gonna ask about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

There was something sentimental when you, like when, when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?

[Matt Castle]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm running out of words oo at some point in time o this gotta stop now. Cleveland hasn't topped more than 18 points in a game this season. The Browns enter Week five with the worst third down offense in the NFL. And they could they failed. They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts today with Desean in the game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I got a question, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At some point in time, Ocho, what.

[Ocho Cinco]

What's the issue? What's the issue? Is it. Is it. Is it. Is it mental? Is it the play calling? I mean, what do you think it is? And I'm confused. Huh. I've been watching football for a long time, for a very long time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the.

[Ocho Cinco]

In the nose dive. In the nose dive. That, that I've seen from a personal standpoint of Argobe, maybe a top three quarterback when he was with with the Texans to what the. The version of Deshaun Jackson, the version of Deshaun Watson I'm seeing now. That's how in such a short time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Close to himself, such a short amount of time. Wow. Barring an injury, the only time. The only time, Ocho, I can say I've seen this kind of drop off from any kind of player. Hold on. Is through injury. Injury. If you have a significant injury, that would explain it. I could offer you. Ocho, man, you know, the man towards. He tore his patella tendon. Ocho, you know, the man tore the key leaf. He had back to back ACL surgeries. Ocho, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone. So that would explain the cataclysmic drop in his play. But I don't see an injury that would cause it.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's mental. It's mental, huh? Listen, do you know how hard that is to get back? Especially at that position, at the quarterback position, the court. Hey, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Because everything becomes.

[Ocho Cinco]

And at the quarterback position, you got the ball in your hands every time. So your judgment in your mind, it already got to be clear. Because if you judgment in your mind and you're not healthy as well, on top of that, you'll never be. You'll never be able to play well. You'll never be able to excel with that position. Like I was thinking about it. I'm looking at. I was thinking about it earlier today. Well, God damn, I'm looking at what they in the Browns got a Mark Cooper. You got Nick Chubb. You got Nick Chubb coming back soon. Maybe, I think maybe two weeks, maybe. Maybe one more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Joku and Joku.

[Ocho Cinco]

Elijah, you bought him a young bull. Damn. Why I'm going blank right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got.

[Ocho Cinco]

He bought him a young boy. Jerry Judy, you know, I'm like, well, okay, we good? Yeah, we good. We.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm talking about. We good. I'm just saying from a. As a fan, As a. As a fan of DeSean Watson, as a fan of some of these young bulls over there, man, that I enjoy watching, I'm like, okay, they gonna compete. They gonna compete. They gonna have a chance, you know, in the AFC North. And it just is not what I envision based on what I've seen in the past. And I really can't put. I can't put my hands on it, on why they look the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't even move the same. Ocho, he don't even move the same. He don't look the same in the pocket. And, and, and, and. And I think, you know, look, I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything, but I think that, yeah, that. That weighed a lot on his mind. I think it weighed a hell of a lot on his mind. And he was. He's. He hasn't been the same. And I think everybody knows that. I'm not breaking. Ocho, you and I are not breaking news. Everybody knows. I saw the guy. He led the league. His last year starting in Houston, he led the NFL in passing yards. He did that. I'm not so sure. DeSean, he's the 28, 29th, 30, 31st, 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently. Look at Joe Flacco and Indy. Look at what Joe Flacco did in Cleveland. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is, if I'm not mistaken. I think I read this is eight days younger than Anthony Richardson.

[Matt Castle]

Mom.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe. That old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes. It's because I think sometimes, Ocho, when you have.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

An image, and. And then all of a sudden that image is not what was being portrayed. And people start to, like you start to think, how do they. How do they look at me now? How do they perceive me? And that plays with you because you're out in the public. It's. If somebody. I. I would have been so. I'd have lost a lot of money, Ocho, if somebody would have said, shannon, he's never gonna be the same again. I bet you out your mind. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm like, hold on. Is he gonna have Shannon? He's not gonna have a career threatening injury. He's not gonna have anything. Nope. He just not.

[Ocho Cinco]

I would have bet it on. I would have bet it with the quickness, too. I know. I know it. I know what I've seen from him. I know what I've seen. And I just. I've just never seen a performance decline in such a fast rate, especially when you have Better, a better supporting cast than what you had in Houston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he's young. And Ocho, it wasn't like he's 30. DeSean is 30. Is he 30? He can't because he came out. He's 29.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got a better question for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just turned 29. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

How do we get him back to the old Deshaun? How do we fix the problem? How do we fix the issues?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. In professional sports, when have you seen a guy have this kind of precipitous drop and bounce back up? Name the sport. Football, basketball, baseball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ain't never happened, huh? Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard, Ocho, because so much of sports is physical. Yes, we've seen guys that had talent, but if you weak minded mentally, that's where you have to be the strongest. What do they say the best athletes have? What the strongest mentality you gotta be because that's everything. You have to have a self belief that I'm the baddest mofo on this field, this court, this diamond, this whatever the case, whatever your avenue, this court, what, Serena, whatever your arena is, you have the mindset that I'm the baddest mofo here. Damn. Cause a lot, bro. Tom Brady ain't the most talented quarterback. Not even close. He might not be. He might not be in the top one. As far as talent. Yeah, I'm talking about. I'm talking about physical talent, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking about the ability to run, jump arm strength. That's.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's where they beat you at. Him and pay that joke of mine, Drew Brees. That's where they beat you at, huh? They beat you upstairs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that. Coach, speak to Tom. Oh, man, that's a great Tom. Listen. And I tend to tell people. How do you know? I said I'm telling you how they think. Let me tell you, we did a lot of this too. They gonna tell you what a great team that is. And they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined, they're really well coached. But in that closed door, behind that meeting, Belichick is telling me we're going to kick their ass. And Tom Brady is in that meeting. Tell them at practice we're going to kick their ass. They don't deserve to be on the field, but we're going to keep hyping them up. He actually believed that. And what great leaders can do, they can convince others around them to believe just like they are. They believe just what Tom was so great and so Believable. Guys, we're going to kick. We're going to do this. We're going to do this, man. You hear what Tom said, man? We died 14. Charles coming back. Yeah, we coming back. Yeah, we coming back. That's how it works. I don't think desean. I don't think is what happened. Same thing. Look at Ben Simmons. Oh, look at Ben Simmons in basketball. Ocho all defensive, all star, all NBA rookie of the year. Yeah, he got hurt, but his mentality was. Is that what happened in Philly? Y'all remember I said it. I said he never gonna be the same. His coach criticized him and the best player on the team criticized him.

[Ocho Cinco]

But stuff like that shouldn't break you that he done it right there. That's motivated. I ain't what I. I understand. You don't think. Oh, okay, Bet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Okay. Yeah, it's the. It's the. It's. They call a play for you. Hold on. You say, hey, what down?

[Ocho Cinco]

What down it is. Okay. Okay, I'm lined up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's 4th and 5.

[Ocho Cinco]

Are we in the huddle?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. No, we're in the huddle. No, they call the play. They say, oh, huh. Let's say we gonna call 200 Jet X land. That's you. You the ex. No, no, but this what you do. You done lost your confidence so bad. You like Carson? Oh, hell no. TJ the ball. You got. Hell no.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got me what? 4th and 5 and you know, it's 4 down and they finna play man to man. Stop playing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You remember that game when they played Atlanta? They passed Ben Simmons the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, when he. When, hey, when he had the layout. Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See that I remember that. You see? You see what I'm talking about? Dave Canales threw Bryce Young back in the game with 4:15 remaining. And Bryce took his first snap in the game since being benched after 02. Oh, so you mean to tell me the quarterback situation that don't change anything? Huh? Huh? On the first play, he brought time and scrambling, found Miles Sanders open for a 27 yard gang. Canales. Brock did a fantastic job and said Andy Dalton will remain the starter for next week against the Falcons. After the game, Bryce Young asked if the current situation lit a fire put in here. Come on, what'd you say? Go Joe.

[Ocho Cinco]

Political, politically correct. He's saying, he's saying, he's saying all the right things, but maybe that is just him, though. You can tell from his, you know, his mannerism, the way he carries Himself. That's just him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Personality, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I see, I can see, I can see. Cool, dude. Real soft spoken. Real soft spoken. It just, you know, I think, I think he going to get opportunity again. I just, I just hope his confidence is whatever that opportunity presents itself, that he's ready mentally, you know, and I think it probably, it might be with the Panthers or if it's, if it's elsewhere, I, I hope he's ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, until they get some weapons, they're like, don't put me back in there because I ain't gonna look no better because Andy don't look, look at, look at Andy Dog numbers with those weapons and everybody. Oh, Andy Dawn. Woo. Look at Andy Dalton. We got a large enough sample size to know what Andy Dalton is. Large enough. Plenty large. I don't care who the quarterback is. Ain't nobody look. You better be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Make this. These receivers look good.

[Ocho Cinco]

They got, they got some nice. They got, I mean, they got, they got some boys over there now. Once they get Adam Thielen, Once they get Adam Thielen back, they got Xavier Leggett, they got Mingo, you know, they got some boys, they got Deontay. Listen, they got Deontay Johnson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had one target, one kid.

[Ocho Cinco]

They got some nice, you know, some nice little pieces. They just got to put that together. They got, they got to put it together. And then when you have a, when you have, when you have question marks at a quarterback position, that means the receiver position and the tight ends have to be that much better than the quarterback. It gotta be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's why, that's why he doesn't stand a chance. Because they're not.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's not nice, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not that much better. He ain't throwing, he ain't throwing the Kelsey and laporta and Kittle and guys like that. He's not throwing the Justin Jefferson and Chase and guys like that. Even if you want to go, even if you take those top 10 guys out and go the next 10. What, what guy? If I give you, if I give you. How many receivers you going to go to before you take Deontay Johnson? You leg it. I get it, he's a rookie. But how many receivers and tight ends are you going to go through before you pick one up for Carolina's roster? A bunch.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's rude.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's the truth, though. Rookies. Look at what C.J. was throwing to. He had Nico, Tank, Dale, Noah Brown's. Well, he had Dalton Schultz. He had nice feet. Which one of those guys are better than any of the guys that I.

[Ocho Cinco]

Name on the Panthers?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, which one of those guys is better than Nico Collins? Better than Tank Dale? Better than Dalton Schultz? Better than hell, Noah Brown?

[Ocho Cinco]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and they stealing all the joy from Bryce Young. Cause they ain't doing ish. I'm glad you brought I'm glad you brought that up the volume.

[Matt Castle]

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[Lexi Brown]

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[Mariah Rose]

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[Lexi Brown]

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[Mariah Rose]

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[Lexi Brown]

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[Lexi Brown]

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