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Sports Analyst 2
Ocho got some bad news. According to Adam Schefter, Michael Pennock suffered a partially torn ACL and in Sunday's game and has lost against the Panthers. Pennix is seeking a second opinion opinion but this is not encouraging. This is expected to be the fifth season ending injury for Pennix in his eight college and NFL seasons. Third ACL. He tore his ACL in 2020. I mean, excuse me, in 2018, 2020. And now he has a partially torn ACL in 2025.
Sports Analyst 1
Damn. Wait, so, so out of eight years he's been, he's been injured five out of eight.
Sports Analyst 2
Yep. College including season ending. Because one year I think he had a shoulder injury.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes. I think when he was at Indiana, if I'm not, I might, I might be wrong. I could be wrong, but I think when he was at Indiana before he went to Washington.
Sports Analyst 2
Yep.
Sports Analyst 1
That sucks, man. That, that, that, that totally sucks. That, that totally sucks. I, I hate that. I hate that for him. Obviously they weren't having the season, you know, they would want to have, but I think obviously the growing pains in being a rookie with it being, you know, your first time starting and getting the full reps, getting accustomed to how the game flows and how it goes and you know, the ups and downs of being the starting quarterback for a franchise. You need those reps. You need those reps. And I'm sure after this season ended he would have been much better.
Sports Analyst 2
Yes.
Sports Analyst 1
Being familiar with everything, the system, the play calling, the, the team, just, just everything together. Damn. That, that totally sucks. To be, for him to have a season in an injury and be behind eight ball and at that point, anything acl. There's no need for a second opinion. There's no need for a second opinion. Go in there, get the work that needs to be done so you can get back that much faster going into the following year, which you're having what, six, six, seven maybe you got a good, got a good six, seven.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah. I mean you, I mean look, just November, so you have the surgery. So you got December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August. That's nine months. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
You know, that's plenty of time.
Sports Analyst 2
Is it the same leg? Is it the same knee? I just hope he can have a career like Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis tore his ACL three times and came back to be an all world linebacker for the Carolina Panthers. So let's just hope if it's a situation like that because he ended up having a very promising NFL career after tearing his ACL as many times as he did.
Sports Analyst 1
Damn, man. That's. That's. Yeah, it's. It's some.
Sports Analyst 2
Somehow. Okay.
Sports Analyst 1
Drake London got hurt as well. I saw something with Drake. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
He's gonna be. I think he's gonna be out at least this week.
Sports Analyst 1
Damn, man. Like these injuries, dude, I'm.
Sports Analyst 2
The Falcons dropped the quarterback at the top 10. Paid a different quarterback 180 million to avoid being in the quarterback purgatory. Somehow they. A year and a half later, they're in quarterback purgatory. Raheem Morris after drafting Michael Pennix Jr. At number eight. We're talking about winning the NFC south and going to the playoffs. We don't want to be picking that high anymore. We don't want to be in that position that helped us make this decision. Say things to say they're not going as way. They're not going as well as they'd hoped. It didn't make sense to me.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
That you. That you pay Cousins that kind of money coming off the injury that he had and still sign a quarterback.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
A quarterback with. I get it. Ocho. But he still had an injury history. Yeah. I mean, think about it. You think it's hard for me to see a scenario where they will select any other player at any other position.
Sports Analyst 1
Right.
Sports Analyst 2
That's. Coming off that. That's. His career would have been ended like four times before coming to the NFL. So let that sink in. So let's just say he had five years and four of those years, his seasons ended with a season in the injury. You're probably not going in the top 10.
Sports Analyst 1
Damn. But also.
Sports Analyst 2
But I just hope, like I said, I hope he can have a Thomas Davis type.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Because Thomas ended up going to Pro Bowls and helping the team get to the Super Bowl. But it's tough. I. I can just imagine rehab all over again. Ocho. And the thing is, when you rehab, you can't train. No, you re. You just hoping to get back to a point where you have functionality. Training is where you put your body into a situation where, hey, you can call on it and you know it'll answer. He don't get to do that. You gotta you gotta rehab.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
That ain't what you do with rehab. Rehab just gets you back to where you were. I'm trying to get farther than where I was, Ojo. Where I was. It's. I mean, I feel. I feel bad for the young man.
Sports Analyst 1
I hate injuries, dude, because I understand how much it sets. It sets players back. Especially when you want to improve year to year.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
The season ends, you want to improve in your game, you want to add new things to your game, you know, to be able to help. Not just help you out, but help your coaches, help your players. Because the better you come back from a skill set is, the easier you make everyone else's job around you. That's. That's, that's what I always thought about. How can I make everyone else job around me? All right, we have a game when we have a game, or we got an officer playing. Carson, you don't have to worry about me. Bob Burkowski, Marvin Lewis, you don't have to worry about me now just focus on the other 10. Offensively, you already know I'm gonna be there for you no matter what you need. No matter what you need. So I, I always try to put that mindset in the players when you get in season. That's just coaching. That's just X's and no's. You're not getting any better in season.
Sports Analyst 2
No, you put. It's gonna be hard for you to maintain your strength.
Sports Analyst 1
Bingo.
Sports Analyst 2
Because guess what, Ocho? Your shoulders hurt, your hips hurt, your joints hurt. It's hard for you to get up under that weight and squat and, and do leg press and bench. I mean, you, you know, you do it as long as you can, but some days, hey, my elbows just hurt, my shoulders hurt. I can't get up under that heavy ass weight and press it. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, you get the bulky of work, the meat potatoes. You getting better as a player, you know, from, from a skill point is the off season. That's why the offseason is so important. That's why taking the time off, that's necessary. When the season ends, you get into that work. I'm telling you. Hey, receivers, come on. Come on down here. I'll let your boy, you know it. All these injuries. I, I can stop all these injuries. Listen to me. Everybody like to laugh and he, he and haha. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
All right, Ocho, the Falcons do not have a first round pick. That first round pick belongs to the Rams.
Sports Analyst 1
The Rams in Minnesota.
Sports Analyst 2
The Rams.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay.
Sports Analyst 2
They didn't have to give him anything for cousin's cousin was a free agent.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, that's right. That's right. You're right, you're right.
Sports Analyst 2
But I think about it. Oo, name another position. A guy comes off an Achilles injury after his 11th, 12th year in the league.
Sports Analyst 1
Right.
Sports Analyst 2
And gets that kind of contract. Name a position other than a quarterback.
Sports Analyst 1
No, there, there is none because they understand how valuable the quarterback position is. That's why you take a chance. You understand it's hard to get quarterbacks that have put up the numbers that Kirk Cousins has put up even though he only had one playoff win. It's extremely difficult. Extremely difficult. That's why taking a chance on a player like Kirk Cousins despite his history, you know, and not making a playoff despite the injury coming off in Achilles. Okay, you know what? Well, he's not a dual threat quarterback anyway. You know, once that Achilles heals up, he can be able to do what he normally does as a functioning quarterback. He's a willing and dealing quarterback. Yeah, it's like he will, he's a, he's surgical with the ball. He just is. That's him. We gonna take a chance and we don't give him that kind of money. And then also the type of, type of player, type of person he is, he's a high character guy, you know. You know, so you're willing to take that, take that chance, you're willing to make that investment.
Sports Analyst 2
This is not, no hindsight, but I told you at the time, I said Ocho just contract just doesn't make sense to me to guarantee that type of money.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
For a guy that. Now if that's Tom Brady, that's Peyton Manning type. Okay, I get it. They're certified. You know, they, they, they are, they're approved. But for a guy that hadn't had postseason success and, and he's had. Coming off an Achilles injury and he's not mobile to begin with, he's gonna be less mobile. Yeah, it didn't make sense to me. And then you go draft a quarterback. If that was the case, why not? Why just save that money, Ocho, and just go get you a quarterback if that's, if that was the route you wanted to take.
Sports Analyst 1
You have to think about it. Where they gonna get one from? Where, where you gonna get in the.
Sports Analyst 2
Draft like they went and got pinnocks from. Oh yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, listen, you understand how difficult it is to find a franchise altering quarterback. You understand how different that is? Because.
Sports Analyst 2
So, yeah, because it's one franchise altering.
Sports Analyst 1
No, but he, he can, he, he can help you compete week to week. He can help you compete. Look at, look at, look at what's going on right now. And some of the teams that have been struggling for years to actually find a good, decent quarterback because you know, once you get one, just let him be, let's let him be good.
Sports Analyst 2
Just give me. They took Atlanta in 2021 draft. They took Kyle Pitts number four. Guess who went number five that year?
Sports Analyst 1
Who?
Sports Analyst 2
Jamar Chase. Oh, yeah, this is Jalen Waddle with 6. Panay Sewell went 7th, J.C. horn went 8. Pants or Tad II with 9. Devonte Smith with 10. Michael Michael with 12. Rashawn Slater went 13. I mean, if you take a tight end that high, you gotta use them. But when they do use your. Kyle, you're gonna have to catch the ball now. And it's, and I know it's problem because he gets the ball so infrequently. He's trying to hit his head on the goal post every time he gets the ball because he's like, I don't know when I'm gonna get another chance. And he get. And I've never seen somebody score without the ball. You gotta get you, you got to catch it. Yeah. And I know, like I said, I understand the frustration of, of, of this will be because, you know, he came on and told us, hey, the chemistry that he and, and Phoenix had. Yeah, they were, they were talking pigs were talking about it in, in camp and he was talking about. He came on Nightcap and talked about it. Damn. And I don't know. Give me the coaches that were hired. Oh, they interviewed, they interviewed Jim Harbaugh. The Falcons interviewed Jim Harbaugh. Yeah, they said no. They interviewed Mike Vrabel. They said no. They interviewed Mike McDonald. McDonald's. They said no. I think they interviewed Ben Johnson. They said no, I'm happy Raheem got the job, but Mr. Blank probably like, damn.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, you got, you got to work with what you got. You got to work with what you got.
Sports Analyst 2
I just, it was Slow Neck Johnson.
Sports Analyst 1
Harbaugh, Belichick, McDonald, Callahan, Wilkes Grable, Joe Brady, Aaron.
Sports Analyst 2
Well, he did a good job passing on some of them. Ocho, he gonna have to get it together, man. Yeah, yeah. Cuz I look, they're getting restless. They're getting restless in Atlanta.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, them players got to help you out, man. They do playing players and players got to help you out. Listen, the old, the old ad is players will get you fired. Yeah, they will get you fired.
Sports Analyst 2
They can get you hired and fired.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Man, I feel for him, man. Damn. I just thought this was gonna be hopefully turned around. Oh, yeah. And Coach Belichick, man. Man, y' all saw Coach Belichick. The guy took his hat off. Yeah, we gonna talk about that. Ocho, did you see that?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, I saw it, man.
Sports Analyst 2
The coach took his hat off, the shake, and you can't even look the man in his eye. Ocho.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, hey, Bill. Do everybody like that, though? So I, I. He can't. He can't feel bad. You look at. You look at Bill at the end of Patriots games, and you keep. Keep it moving. He making a beeline.
Sports Analyst 2
You said an example. You ain't set no example in the interface because he's done this. Now. Think about how many times in the AFC Championship game that a Tony Dungey.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
A Bill Cower or a Rex Ryan has had to come out there and talk to cbs. This is. This is really what rubbed me the wrong way. And I think Coach Belichick is the greatest NFL coach ever.
Sports Analyst 1
Absolutely.
Sports Analyst 2
But this is what rubbed me the wrong way is that the rules don't apply to him, and the NFL has let this behavior go on, but let a player don't want to do the media and say, you know what? I don't want to do the media day, I'll let Ocho go do it. Yeah, they gonna. Doc. They gonna dock me money. Right. But he's supposed to do it. And he said, some special teams guy out there, some backup lineman. We ain't. Ain't nobody ever heard of him but his family. That's what rubbed me the wrong way. That man took his hat off to shake your hand, and then you, like, like, basically give him your butt. That's. That's, that's always rubbed me the wrong way about him.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
And it always have. And, And. And two things can be true. He can be great and be a jackass at the same time. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
And he's always.
Sports Analyst 2
And that bothers me.
Sports Analyst 1
You heard me, huh? He's always been this way, and he not changing. That's the funny part. Well, I'm in the NFL. This is the way I conduct myself. Oh. Now I'm in college. This is the way I conduct myself, and I'm not changing for anybody. I'm not changing.
Sports Analyst 2
I think the thing is.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes, sir.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah. When you're winning, when you don't win and you give people your job, your butt to kiss, and they're in position to hire you, what do they do, Ocho? They're like, okay, next.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, Y There was plenty of speculation to why the Cowboy star receiver C.D. lamb and George Pickens were benched for the opening drive against the Raiders. CD confirmed the rumors that he and Pickens had been out past curfew having dinner and a few drinks at Red Rock Casino. Okay. By the crib C. Cd you should have hit your boy up. I'd have came out with y'. All. However, CD made sure to shoot down any claim that he was seen throwing up around 7:30am CD said such a claim was offensive to him because he knows how to hold his liquor. Ocho.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, what's up?
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, he knew. Hey, hey. This what they do to Ocho.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, but shoot. Hey, I'm gonna be honest with you, boy. I had. Not me personally, but it was a lot of folk late during my time, either. I'm not one. I ain't no snitch, you know, I ain't. I ain't gon do nothing like that, you know, if I'm ever in the chair, I'mma just plead the fifth, you know, But I. I done seen it happen now. Now is a little bit different because we got cameras everywhere.
Sports Analyst 2
Everywhere.
Sports Analyst 1
Technology is a little different. So when we played didn't. Didn't nobody know because it wasn't nobody to tell unless somebody close to you snitched on you.
Sports Analyst 2
Yep.
Sports Analyst 1
Or you told me yourself by actually showing up late. And most of the times it was kept in house. Now, boy, everybody can see because he.
Sports Analyst 2
Got them camera phone.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Because even when you try to go out like, hey, can I get a picture?
Sports Analyst 1
I said, no, I'm just right.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, somebody gonna know. Cause you gonna post it.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey. And if you don't give hey. And if you don't give him a picture, they'll get mad and tweet. Guess who I just saw. He acted like an asshole, bro.
Sports Analyst 2
How you ghost me? How you gave up my position. It's like Ocho is like the guy that. That had went to the Airbnb and he left a negative rating. The guy that owned the Airbnb sent the photo of his wife to his wife of him going to the Airbnb with another woman.
Sports Analyst 1
But that's real. Yes, that was. No, that wasn't no Netflix show. Or. That's real life.
Sports Analyst 2
Real life. Oh, hell.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, hell.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, he got to see. You got to see.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, you messing.
Sports Analyst 2
He gotta get. Hey. He gotta get the dum dums.
Sports Analyst 1
What?
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, man.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, you done messed up my marriage on account of it wasn't me, but it was you.
Sports Analyst 2
No, hold on you say you messed up my Airbnb give me this bull job rating now. People ain't gonna want to come to my spot.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, that's the true meaning of a. I for an eye.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, but, Ocho, the thing is, if you in the wrong. Why would you even. Why would you even do that? Why would you leave a negative rating, right?
Sports Analyst 1
Because, for one, you didn't think. You didn't think he would. You would stoop that low?
Sports Analyst 2
You didn't think he was. I mean, I'm think most of these Airbnb's got cameras, right?
Sports Analyst 1
You can't handle camera in Airbnb. Airbnb.
Sports Analyst 2
At worst case, a ring camera.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, a ring camera.
Sports Analyst 2
Yes.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay. Yeah, you're right.
Sports Analyst 2
So how you go get in?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, okay, you right.
Sports Analyst 2
So with that.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, that's.
Sports Analyst 2
But you see. Hey, hey, Keon, you see the difference? CD and Pickets was out past curfew having dinner and a few drinks. They missed a series. You missed two games. There's levels. You're not at that level yet.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, Keith, we gonna get you there, boy. Come holler at your boy in the off season. I'm telling you, boy, we gonna get you right.
Sports Analyst 2
You hear me?
Sports Analyst 1
Let's go.
Sports Analyst 2
I. Me, man, I'm sleepy. I'm tired. Hey, my thing is. Ocho, would I. When like, we. After we had a meeting, you know, we have our individual meetings, then we have the team meeting. Mike gonna play a video. He gonna play the top plays from last week. We'll have a little music to it, and then, you know, he gonna give us our speech, what he expect, blah, blah, blah. And then we go. We go get, you know, a meal. Yeah, Ocho, I'm trying to go to bed. I ain't. I. I ain't got it in me.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, see, Unc, you a little different. Unc, you old school with your. You. You. A little structure. You got a little discipline. When it. When. When it came to your approach.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Players today, they're a little bit more relaxed. Relaxed. You know, I want to be outside. I want to enjoy myself. I want to have a nice little meal, you know?
Sports Analyst 2
Okay.
Sports Analyst 1
See what's out there. You know, we in Vegas.
Sports Analyst 2
I might have tried to shake the covers for dark.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah. Hold on. Today. Hold on. No, no. Before a game.
Sports Analyst 2
Nah, I can't.
Sports Analyst 1
I can't do that.
Sports Analyst 2
Huh?
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, listen, my cut off. My cutoff was Wednesday. My cut off. My cut off was Wednesday. If I don't catch you between Sunday and Wednesday. Oh, no, I can't. I can't do nothing with you. I can't. I don't want no. I don't want no type of. I don't want no. No lactic acid build up. I don't want no spaghetti legs. So you got, you got to do that work in between that, huh?
Sports Analyst 2
I cut off with two out for the game. How about cut off 2 apple gay. Hey, hold on. Yeah, yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, but, but you ain't had no leg. You out there running with no legs.
Sports Analyst 2
Nah, hey, nah, ojo. You see? You remember the movie Free Willie? Yeah. How Willie came up out that pool. Yeah, that's free willing. I had plenty leg. I think that's a. I think that's a misnomer.
Sports Analyst 1
You think so?
Sports Analyst 2
I think so.
Sports Analyst 1
I don't know, boy. I don't know because I. I didn't. I. Nah, I don't think so.
Sports Analyst 2
I. I had a couple. I know for sure. I had a couple of real big games. Real, real, real big ones.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm not.
Sports Analyst 2
Listen, I'm not like 160, 160, 180, 120. Well, you know, 150 and a couple tooth.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. I. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I'm. I'm not even superstitious. I'm not even superstitious, but I just understand that feeling of. Of horizontal activity and then finishing and having to stand up and. Oh, shoot. And just be being a little wobbly, you know, not, not, not, not, not being in my right state of mind, but damn, the equilibrium must be off. I don't play like that. I don't play like.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, yeah, me either. Ocho. You see? You see the position I'll be? I don't play like that either, But. Bad.
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Sports Analyst 2
In all seriously though, Joe, I like bad in today's time. Well, like you say, the technology the way it is.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Somebody sees you, it's just hard. It's hard. It's hard to get away. Cdn them. Owned it. Hey, Jared gonna tell Pickens to go out anytime he want to after that performance. Cause Jerry said that's one of the best performance he's seen.
Sports Analyst 1
Matter of fact, with the way they plan in general as a 1A and 1B, man, y' all go ahead and do what you need to do. Do what you need to do. You know, as long as you show up the way you. You've been showing up on the field, oh, man, we good.
Sports Analyst 2
Hey good. Just don't. Hey, just. Hey, just. Hey, just don't let nobody see y'. All. Don't let nobody see y' all going out.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, that's it. That's it. And when you come in coming. And when you come in coming through the back.
Sports Analyst 2
Though George Pickett hopes his first season is not his last. Pickett said, I'd love to be back, especially with CD And Dak. All my, all the guys, really. Pickens is the fourth and final year of his rookie contract that he signed with the Steelers at the second round in 2022. He's scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March of March. Pickens has 908 receiving yards through 10 games, the most through the first 10 games of a player's tenure in Dallas franchise history. He's. He's second in receiving yards. Oo, you know, I know you want pick to chase the bag. Would you be content if Pig stayed in Dallas?
Sports Analyst 1
Man, listen, hold on. I want to talk about these stats real quick. Now. I want people to understand and, and, and, and understand how special George Pickens is, right? George Pickens is second in receiving yards. 908. He only got 58 catches. Yeah, he only got 58 catches, man. So that's, that's letting you know he's doing more with less, you know, so let's start there. Now, George Pickens coming back to Dallas. I like the idea. I like the idea, right? You know, Pickens, CD Lamb, Dak, Dak, Prescott. We understand how special, especially with them having a, a year Remove going to a second year on how special they can be offensively. But I understand Dak has to get done again. I understand that.
Sports Analyst 2
I understand they'll do Dak again. They're not gonna let Dak know. I think Dak numbers Damn near like 70, $75 million cap here. So they'll redo Dak again.
Sports Analyst 1
Right.
Sports Analyst 2
But probably give them another four year deal, five year deal, making like $300 million. And they'll give him, you know, at the time of signing, they'll give him $100 million. He'll get, he'll get, I mean, he got guaranteed right now 229 million. So he'll get another deal, probably 250 million guarantee.
Sports Analyst 1
But is, is, is Dak willing to take less to make sure George Pickens gets what he deserves, to make sure he get close to his value? Because he's not going to get anywhere near close to his value. And if he stays in Dallas, I would love for him to stay in Dallas. He would be great there offensively and what he can do based on what he's putting on display right now. I love it. I love the idea. I just understand when it comes to getting your first contract, your first big contract, most of the time, unless you that guy, like that guy, guy. They've already paid CD Lamb.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
You know, so based on where he is right now, he would supposed to be. If he was elsewhere, he would overlap CD Lamb's contract, Correct? He would overlap it. But he won't be able to do and get his true value because he's staying in Dallas. So does he want to take a discount and say, you know what, I'm gonna stay here. I'm gonna take less to stay here in Dallas and be productive here, or do I want to go somewhere else? Now, whatever he chooses to do that, that's on him. But I'm gonna have a conversation with David Mulanghetta and we gonna sit down and we gonna talk and we gonna see what type of plan we gonna put together for Pick and. And see what's best for him for our foreseeable future. Now, Dallas Cowboy fans, I love y'. All. I love what Pick brings to the table. But don't be selfish. Don't be selfish. You should want what's best for pick two. Yes. Being with the Dallas Cowboys, that's what you want because you are Dallas Cowboy fan. But what's best for George Pickens, his family and his long term. Let's think about him long term, you know, and being able to set up not just his kids, but his grandkids kids, you know. Now, if he can get that done in Dallas, I'm all for it.
Sports Analyst 2
I. I think the thing is, Ocho, they, you know, they do. They redo Dak. That'll take. That'll take 30 million off the cap right there. To make his cap. To bring his cap number down. Yeah. They'll probably do something restructure, give CDs, money and a signing bonus. Yeah, that'll take more money off the cap.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, now we talking.
Sports Analyst 2
So now we talking. Could I. Could I see him getting a deal somewhere? Five years, 180 million.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. We cooking. Okay, we cooking.
Sports Analyst 2
I can see that we cooking.
Sports Analyst 1
Now the problem is, now, see, we think insensible.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Me and you thinking sensible. The chat. They thinking sensible. Especially any Cowboys fans. That's in the chat. You know, I love y' all too. I love y'.
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Sports Analyst 1
Y' all don't think I'm hating. I love y'. All.
Sports Analyst 2
But.
Sports Analyst 1
And Jerry gonna think sensible.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, I think is.
Sports Analyst 1
Is he gonna think sensible. Now we know how Jerry Jones is when it comes to when it's time to pay. You understand that now in George Picking gonna have the patience to deal with that Jerry like to do. Making you wait till the last goddamn minute. I don't know. We understand the issues that Jerry Jones has had with David Mulagueda in the past.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Is he gonna have the patience, the one that deal with the bull drive that Jerry gonna put him through? So there's other dynamics that come into play, you know. Well, what Muno Guetta might want to tell Pick, man, listen, we ain't got time for this shit. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. We ain't got time for this.
Sports Analyst 2
I think because Pick got an edge to him.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
I think Pick has a lot of on the field and how he goes about his business. On the field.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Has a lot of Michael Urban in him. Yeah, we know what Jerry thought. Thought of Michael.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes, sir.
Sports Analyst 2
What he thinks of Michael. So I think he would probably lean towards probably getting something done. That's. That. That's going to everybody. Because he realized now he traded for Mingo. Mingo ain't seen the field yet.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
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Sports Analyst 2
I think he's been a healthy scratch the last couple of times. Remember they traded a fourth round pick from to Carolina to get Mingo. He's finally got a guy. He's finally got a guy that's comparable to cd. It's hard to get a guy comparable to your number one. He can fight him tooth and nail. Big great hands, make tough catches. Tremendous run after the catch.
Sports Analyst 1
Very good.
Sports Analyst 2
Big, big, big body receiver. Jerry realized those guys don't grow on trees.
Sports Analyst 1
Absolutely not.
Sports Analyst 2
And we got him. And we got him in our home. The best thing to do when you got him in your home, Ocho, is what? Don't let him leave.
Sports Analyst 1
Don't let him leave.
Sports Analyst 2
Don't let him leave. He's on pace for 99 receptions, 1544 yards and 12 touchdowns. Dak is the only team in the NFL this season to have feature top five player in passing, rushing and receiving yards. Dak is fifth in passing yards. Javante Williams is fifth in Russian yards. Pick is second in receiving yards, man. So think about all the offense they got and look where they are. Because why the defense. Yeah, defense got to pick it up now. We'll see. We'll see if they can replicate what they did. They got the Eagles. We'll see if they can replicate what they did. They went out and made it. They. They let Michael Parsons. They traded Michael Parsons to get Kenneth Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams. That's what Aiden said. Look, we got to stop the run. Clark is more of a run stuffer. Cornell Williams can play the run, but he's more of a pass rushing dt.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
You got Clowney, you got Fowler, you got Williams, you got some guys that you got a Digginzua that you paid a lot of money to. He's still there. So we're gonna see. We're gonna see the Eagles. We're going to see what the Eagles. We're going to see what the Eagles. Because they're gonna need. You're gonna need to establish a run. You're on the road.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
See if Saquon can get loose. Looks like Lane Johnson is going to be out. They're going to have their backup in there. We'll see. He says, hey, I want to make a name for myself. Lane Johnson is etched in stone. He is what he is one of the great linemen in history. Now it's my time to get an opportunity to show you what I'm capable of. So it's going to be very, very interesting.
Sports Analyst 1
But everything.
Sports Analyst 2
I. I don't know what Jerry thought he was going to be when he traded for him, but he had to be. He has to have been everything that Jerry had hoped for and more.
Sports Analyst 1
Absolutely.
Sports Analyst 2
Was there ever a great. A teammate that you fought to keep on the team?
Sports Analyst 1
Man, T.J. man. Whoosh. Who's I. Even that. You know, I hate the dirty side of the business, but, you know, it is a business. I. I wanted who should stay.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
You know, I, I thought. I thought that, that, that, that. That chemistry we had and going. Being from Oregon State and going from Oregon State, being drafted to the Bengals. I mean, I, I wanted that continuity to. To. To stay throughout the entirety of my career, but obviously things didn't go that way. I mean, that's about the only person. That's about the only person.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah. They really ask me. They, they really, they. I mean, as I got older, I think once I went there and, and, and, and, and came back, I think Mike value my opinion on what I thought of certain guys, but for me, hey, you make your own Decisions. Hey, yeah, I'm going home. And if. Guess what? And when I come back in the spring for OTAs, and they ain't here, I guess they. I guess they moved on.
Sports Analyst 1
Right.
Sports Analyst 2
Despite being 8 and 2 and fresh off his super bowl win, there continues to be a lot of negativity surrounding the Eagles. A.J. brown threw more gas on the fire today when asked about speculation that he isn't the same player he once was. Oo let's take a listen. What AJ had there.
Sports Analyst 1
They go with that.
Sports Analyst 2
There's been speculation out there that you.
Sports Analyst 1
Are not the same player once.
Sports Analyst 2
What would you say to those people?
Sports Analyst 1
I guess that qu.
Sports Analyst 2
The same player.
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Sports Analyst 1
Hey, you see how the bull jab start? You see how the bull they come up with that? Oh, your production is not the same as it was before. So now you're not the same player no more. Oh, now you lost a step. This is the game they play. This is the game they play.
Sports Analyst 2
This is. This is.
Sports Analyst 1
This is how they do. This is how they. That's how they do.
Sports Analyst 2
You.
Sports Analyst 1
You know, ain't nothing wrong with that, man. Man, you can see. You watch film. You watch the games on. Ain't nothing wrong with that, man. Why even see them reporter to be playing. That's how she. You know what? I would have swung on that reporter.
Sports Analyst 2
But you see how Ocho. Ocho. You see how he framed it? What do you say to those that say that you're not the same player anymore? You see how he framed it? Yeah. Yeah. What do you say about those that say you're not the same? Hoping that he gets something? They got what he wanted.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
I guess Saquon ain't the same play either. They got what they wanted. Yeah, because the cont. It don't even matter the context. Yeah, y' all said I'm not the same player. Well, Saquon ain't got a thousand yards rush. Remember at this point in time last year, he had a thousand yards.
Sports Analyst 1
Exactly.
Sports Analyst 2
So why y' all didn't ask? Why are y' all not asking questions about him? So y' all keep coming. Y' all keep coming to me, asking me questions, but is the rug. Does the run game look the same?
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Sports Analyst 1
Sure don't. So that means Saquon lost it. No, ain't nothing wrong with him. Ain't nothing wrong with him.
Sports Analyst 2
It ain't nothing wrong with AJ Brown either.
Sports Analyst 1
The reporters know that. But then, you know the reporting gonna go fishing every time now. It. It's on the player, on whether they catch that Bait or not.
Sports Analyst 2
You're right, O Joe.
Sports Analyst 1
That's it.
Sports Analyst 2
You're right.
Sports Analyst 1
You know, A.J. brown, he wanted him. He go, he gonna give you what you want every time.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, A.J. gonna speak his mind now?
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, he gonna be every time. Hey, there was one other player just like that, too, that played, you know, over there, that War 81.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
You ask him a question, he gonna give you what you want every time. So be careful. He ain't sugarcoat nothing.
Sports Analyst 2
Man. I just think the thing is now is that we 8 and 2.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
So what can we be critical of? Ain't really anything you could be critical of because the team is eight and two. The number one individ. They're the number one team in the division. So let's go to A.J. brown, and hopefully he said something negative about somebody else.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
That's all. You gotta hope. That's all they're hoping for now.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. That's it.
Sports Analyst 2
You said, like you said, it's a fishing expedition.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Let me see how big. Let me see how big of a fish I can catch.
Sports Analyst 1
A matter of fact, this is the thing too, right? Debate is the way you word the question.
Sports Analyst 2
Yes.
Sports Analyst 1
Debate that the reporters use is the way they word the question. I'm a word it this way and say they say, you know, we don't even know who they is. Who is they? Is they watching film? Is they not seeing what's going on? Yeah. We aiding, too. I've been complaining about they the whole time. They should know what the problem is.
Sports Analyst 2
And how about this here? Ever whoever say that I'm not the same player will ask the opposing team why they could keep putting their number one corner on me. Then if I ain't what they say, if I. If I ain't what you think or what they say I am. Yeah. All I know is I get road coverage and I get the best. They get their best corner. They don't put their third corner on me. They don't put their second or third corner on me. Why not? They say I ain't got it no more. You're right. I don't. Throw me the ball and find out.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
That's the only way. I mean, that's. That's all I can tell you. That's all I got for you. I ain't got. I ain't got nothing else to say. I. I really don't. Look, y' all know how I feel about this situation. Yes. I'd like to be a more active participant in the offense.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
I think if We. If. If all the receivers, I think. Look, and I don't want to speak for anybody else, but I think we all think that we could be more involved and the offense would be. Would flow smoother if. Myself, devonte, Goddard, Dodson, if we became more involved.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
That's not where we are right now. Hopefully that changes. Any more questions?
Sports Analyst 1
Good day.
Sports Analyst 2
That's it. That's all I got for yo Joe.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah. Hey, that. That's. That. That's that good. Politically correct answer.
Sports Analyst 2
Hey, hey, hey. I thought about being politic. Hey, I still might. Might be perfect for politics right now.
Sports Analyst 1
Politician. Okay, okay. I. Like I said.
Sports Analyst 2
Hey, listen, with that being said, the Ocho. No, I was just like, hey, no, we're not. What you want me to say, man? You watching the games. Yeah, we're not. We're not. We're not playing well, and we're not good offensively. No. Who can you pick out and say, okay, they're doing an outstanding job offensively, bro, we ain't scored a touchdown in a month. A month. The Eagles, the professional NFL team, has not scored a touchdown. So there's enough blame to go around on everybody offensively, from coaches to players, myself, the quarterback, the offensive line, the running backs. There's no way to just pinpoint the blame because one time we get a holding call, next time we jump offside. The next time we. We make a mistake, we do a mental mistake. So there's enough blame if we just. And it's just not okay. We get something going. Positive. Hold it. We get something going, then we have somebody with a middle mistake. So there's enough blame to go around. But at the end of the day, it's. It's upon everybody on this offense that's in that room and the coaches to figure it out. So let me ask you a question. You think Cincinnati feeling sorry for us?
Sports Analyst 1
Nah.
Sports Analyst 2
You think Tennessee feeling sorry for us? You tell me the team that's on our schedule that feels sorry for us, that we haven't scored a touchdown in five weeks now nobody. So they not feeling sorry for it. Why the hell we feeling sorry for ourselves? Empathy is something someone else have for you. You can't have it for your damn self, right? Oh, Po me.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh. Well, stay over there. They're over there. But AJ A bro, don't let. Don't let them try to get you to try to try to throw dirt on somebody else. Don't even do it. Hey, y' all heard what I said. I don't say I don't really need to reiterate it. I just been saying this for the last year. I would like to become more involved in the offense, not out of selfish reasons. Do you see our passing game is struggling, and right now we're very dependent on the defense. But at what point in time do we get to cap the carrot? Do we. Do we have to. Do we get to earn our checks? Cause the defense is earning their checks every week. Every week. Right now we're getting free checks.
Sports Analyst 1
Yep.
Sports Analyst 2
So AJ later said he does not watch the other wide receivers do around the NFL. Reporters ask him say why. His response. It gets me upset. Absolutely. Now this. Now he's talking my language.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one, man. Hey, listen, unless. Unless you being productive, unless you are part of the offense week in and week out and knowing that you're. You're going to have those catches and those opportunities, I'm not watching the others that are getting them, because I'm. That gonna get me mad. You think I'm gonna be watching film on Jamar and JSN and George Pickens and Devonte Adams, and they out there going crazy weekend.
Sports Analyst 2
10, 12 targets a game. I'm getting four, five, man.
Sports Analyst 1
Please, man. Absolutely not. I don't want to see that. Hell, no.
Sports Analyst 2
I was very fortunate. Like I said, it wasn't like it is now. Ocho, where they had. We had this influx of tight ends, but yeah, Ben Colts had 160. I had eight. Had 40. Yeah. Nah, man. That man didn't know 120 yards better than me. No. Hell nah. I see Brett Jones or them guy. Oh, no. Hell no. So I, I, I, I. 1,000%. 1,000% I am. I'm not watching. And don't let me. And don't let me. You know I'm playing one of those guys. Yeah, man. Hey, Romo at. Man, don't y' all let that man come in here and show you out in front of me. Don't y' all let that man come in his house and show out in front of me. Now, I'm just saying, don't let that man come in his house and show out in front of me. Do what y'. All. Hey, do what y' all do to me in practice.
Sports Analyst 1
Right? I like that. It's a good one.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, man. Come on. Now. How that go? How that's gonna look, Ocho? Guns will come up in my house, go for a buck fifty. Now I'm on the side.
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Sports Analyst 2
Hey, like Tom. See, I Don't want. I want to play with Tom because remember that, that game that Randy went off.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Randy had like two or three touchdowns. Excuse me. To had a went off with like two or three touchdowns. He said come on Moss. He gave Moss four in the first half. You, you good? I'm good. Yeah I'm good. I'm real good. Kevin Petula and Sirianni are quite obsessed with the hitch route. Ranking the most hitch routes run per game via True Meteor. Dallas Goddard 9.44. Devonte Smith 9.1. AJ Brown 7.56. No other team has more players in the top 16.
Sports Analyst 1
What I what I told you what I told you the other day about, about the rock the route concepts. I can tell you what, I can tell you what A.J.
Sports Analyst 2
Brown.
Sports Analyst 1
I can tell you what Devonte Smith is running based on their alignment and based on formation and definitely based on down and distance every single time. Every time. I don't play for the Eagles, I, I love football. I'm not an Eagle fan but I watch the game. The fact that I can still tell you what they doing. I don't watch them every single week. I mean those, I mean if, if I know what's coming. You don't think the people that actually.
Sports Analyst 2
Watch film and get paid job to know.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah man, come on now.
Sports Analyst 2
I mean I just don't. I just don't know how you expect to be effective when you have this many guys in the top running hitches really push the ball down the field.
Sports Analyst 1
You got to because if you don't they gonna sit on top of everything. Which is why. Which is why most of the short and the intermediate routes keep getting knocked down.
Sports Analyst 2
Why? Because there ain't no threat for you going over the top of it. Hell no. Why am I backing up knowing you ain't going no farther than 10 yards? I ain't even getting out of my back pedal. That's why Smitty catch so many deep balls over the top because they he done hitched them.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, he done slanted him and hissing the death.
Sports Analyst 2
His didn't slam him to death and they'd be looking like oh here come. No, he over the top of you now.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, it's either the hitch, the slant or the curl. That's it. Oh or maybe the cross of the.
Sports Analyst 2
Overs the the overall over. A lot of times when they throw him the goalball he's on the left hand side.
Sports Analyst 1
Yep, that's it. That's the extended the route route treat for them right there.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, it's like it's and I know it's frustrating. It's frustrating because you see all these guys, you see Jackson, you see jsn, you see a Mecca, you see Puka, you see Chase, you see all these guys cut getting all the honey. I ain't getting up with vinegar. They a give me nothing. Vinegar. Yeah. I'm salty. Hold on.
Sports Analyst 1
And not only am I only. Not only am I only getting vinegar, they paying me $33 million. Yeah. And the first thing they gonna do is. Well, man, I don't know.
Sports Analyst 2
Your production slip.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah. You not the same. It seemed like you don't lost a step. We paying you 33, but the production you're giving us is like we paying you 12 or 10. So we gonna ask you to take a pic of what I already know. I listen, I already know the game ain't finna play.
Sports Analyst 2
Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to do that, guys. I wish I. I wish I could. I wish I could help you out with your cap.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Joe Burrow made huge steps in his recovery journey on Wednesday by being named a full participant in Bingles team practice. Excuse me. This is the first time that he's gotten the designation since he suffered the turf toe injury in week two. Joe would need to be activated by December 1st from the injured reserve to have any chance to play again this season. Ocho, your Bengals are three and seven.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes, sir.
Sports Analyst 2
Three and seven. There's only seven games to go. Yeah.
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Sports Analyst 2
Is there a scenario which you see if the Bron. If the Bengals were to lose Sunday.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes, sir.
Sports Analyst 2
Is there a scenario where you see Joe being activated? Because if he's not activated by June 1st. Excuse me, December 1st.
Sports Analyst 1
Yes.
Sports Analyst 2
That means he can't. I mean, basically he can't come off and he'd be on there for the rest of the season. Do you see a scenario where you guys lose this game and him come off injury reserve?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. Honestly, I think. Regards. There is really no scenario in this matter or in this case whether we win or whether we lose. Joe Burrow, being the competitor that he is, he would probably override any suggestions that he gets from doctors, anyone that sits in positions of power in, in that, in that, in that front office and he's coming back to play whether we lose it or not. I, I just knowing Joe Burrow, the type of player he is, the type of competitor he is, whether we have a chance to, to, to get to the playoffs or he going to want to finish the season off strong and, and make somewhat a statement to show that he can still stay upright. He can. He can still be healthy, you know, regardless of circumstances, whether we're going to the playoffs or not.
Sports Analyst 2
So you just. Hey, you just looking forward to them getting back out there on the field. You don't. You ain't really. You don't really think y' all gonna make no playoff? Make no.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, hey, Joe. Joe, honestly, right now, I. I haven't really, really thought of the scenarios or the possibility of us making the playoffs at 3 or 7. I think it's very, very difficult, Joe. Honestly. Yeah, I think it's very difficult. But for me, I would love for Joe to come back. Not even playoff scenario, but just to finish the season off strong. Finish the season off strong. Get in. You know, get in there. Do what you can.
Sports Analyst 2
Finish the season off strong.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Hold on.
Sports Analyst 1
Let me finish.
Sports Analyst 2
You about to be 3 and 8.
Sports Analyst 1
I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about from a team standpoint at this point, when we. When you're three and seven. I'm just saying individually, all players need to finish the season off strong from an individual standpoint, so they feel a little better about themselves going into next year. Regardless of whether we. We did well or we. Whether we did well or we didn't as a team.
Sports Analyst 2
Ain't no regardless. Ain't no area.
Sports Analyst 1
Right?
Sports Analyst 2
And stop using. Irregardless, you're not supposed to use air.
Sports Analyst 1
Right?
Sports Analyst 2
And regardless. Regardless by itself.
Sports Analyst 1
I said. I said.
Sports Analyst 2
Or.
Sports Analyst 1
Or regardless.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah, y' all were terrible this year.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were terrible.
Sports Analyst 2
And you can't finish out on no good note.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, I said. That's why I said individually. That's why the first thing I said. Even if. Even if we lose, which we won't.
Sports Analyst 2
Which we probably won't, you going to lose. Ain't no. Take the if out. Take the earth out.
Sports Analyst 1
We plan.
Sports Analyst 2
You know, first of all, hold on. Y' all was losing with Chase. Y' all losing with Chase. Yeah, he gone. Okay, now let's try again.
Sports Analyst 1
Like I said, someone.
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Sports Analyst 1
Someone who has a little optimism. Joe, I'm talking. Joe, I'm gonna talk to you. I got you. I'm a little optimistic. Ain't no telling what's gonna happen. I know Chase is not playing this game.
Sports Analyst 2
We got 11 weeks. I know what's gonna happen.
Sports Analyst 1
You know what I. Hey, hey, Joe. I don't like. I don't like the way Uncle's treating my bank.
Sports Analyst 2
Hey, hey, Ocho. I think y' all just need to let burn. Ocho Can I have. Can I. You know what? I just want to take my last bite.
Sports Analyst 1
Take your last bite. Take your time, man.
Sports Analyst 2
Talking crazy. I, I want to go ahead and finish and get some food on my stomach because I've been hungry. I had a couple events. I had to go to that.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
So I will get my last. My last right.
Sports Analyst 1
Take your time. Me and Joe got it. Me and Joe got it. Anyway, Joe, like I was saying, listen, from an individual.
Sports Analyst 2
You and Joe got it there. Go ahead.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, from an individual standpoint, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Knowing how Burrow is, knowing the competitor that he is, he's a liar. Hey, he, Joe, he. He coming back to play. Joe, regard regards to how we doing.
Sports Analyst 2
But listen, hey, but sometimes, Ocho, you know, we can get in our own way now. Yeah. The man been bogged down with Andrew. You know, that toe gonna linger, bro.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, Joe, I know. I know one thing. If Joe, if burrow ain't feeling 100, he not taking his ass out there.
Sports Analyst 2
On that field, well, then he ain't gonna play. It ain't no way that toe gonna be 100, man. You listen.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Let the man. Let the man heal up, and then y' all get another crack at it next year. If it don't happen next year, Ocho, you gotta blow that thing up.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay. Okay. I mean, I, I, I like that, Joe, but I, I, me, me, honestly, if Joe feels good and knowing, knowing how he is, he ain't sitting on that sideline. Joe, if, if, if he can go and then think about it. 80, 85, 87, even a 90, Joe Burrow, it is better than half the goddamn league. It's better than half the league out there even hobble. So I would like to see, just to finish it off strong, just, Just so you feel good about yourself in your head. And when the back of your head is like, well, God damn, I don't. I didn't been hurt three out of six seasons, you know, and it ain't. Ain't been able to contribute to help my team out, man, knowing him, man, I'm finishing this. I'm finishing this shit off.
Sports Analyst 2
Hey, look, I'm sure he probably does want to get back up. I mean, hell, he making a lot of money. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
But, Ocho, sometimes, man, you know, you got to get in. Guys, wait, man. And just tell them, hey, look, we understand. Yeah. We know you want to play. Yeah. But you probably need to sit the rest of this season. Now. We can get you right going in the next season. Hey, man, y' all out there just. Just playing football just to be finishing the season. They can't get hurt again. Now, come on, now.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, I mean, you right.
Sports Analyst 2
I'm trying to help y', all, man. I'm trying to.
Sports Analyst 1
Joe you. Joe, you right. But I'm. I'm telling you that how the individual is. He's an animal. But he an animal, right? He animal. I. I just. I just don't see any scenario where. Where he can go sit down especially. He was a full participant in practice today. He was a full participant in practice.
Sports Analyst 2
See what that thing feel like tomorrow.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Unless Joe Burrow come back as a combination of Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor, y' all ain't going nowhere. I don't give a damn what he come back at.
Sports Analyst 1
We understand that part, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
So he come back as Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor with a little big to Deion Sanders and Ray Lewis in there. So which one of them he gonna be, right?
Sports Analyst 1
I mean, neither one. Neither one. You have to understand that that's not the part we talk about. You got to understand the type of individual Joe is. You got to understand.
Sports Analyst 2
I know it is.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay.
Sports Analyst 2
You don't become the number one overall pick without being a competitor, and that's. But you also don't become somebody without being realistic.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, man, I. Honestly, a joke.
Sports Analyst 2
I mean, have you seen your defense?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. That man ain't thinking about none of that. That man ain't thinking about none of that. That man is thinking about getting on that field, getting back healthy and trying to contribute and finish the season off on a high note for him individually, so he feels better about himself going into the off season. I'm telling you. How you think. And I know it. Because if. If he wasn't, it wouldn't be no. No goddamn reason to be a goddamn practice today. Oh, hey, Joe. He was.
Sports Analyst 2
Look at that. Look on your screen. Look on your screen. No, Joe, we got something showing for you.
Sports Analyst 1
What's that?
Sports Analyst 2
This is what they bringing him up. Look at. Oh, look how they bringing it back, Joe.
Sports Analyst 1
Is that bubble wrap.
Sports Analyst 2
Y'?
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Sports Analyst 2
We got two. We got a choice.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, why y'.
Sports Analyst 2
All.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, listen, we ain't got no choice. Hey. Hey, dude. Hey, y'.
Sports Analyst 2
All.
Sports Analyst 1
Why y' all disrespecting my quarterback now?
Sports Analyst 2
Don't.
Sports Analyst 1
Don't. Hold on, hold on. Well, you. You over there laughing. He. He bet he better than Bo Nicks down there in Denver right now, and he ain't even. And Joe ain't even playing.
Sports Analyst 2
We're not debating his skill set. We're not debating how good he actually is. Okay, Because. Excuse me, we know he's great. We're not debating that.
Sports Analyst 1
I know, I know, but can you help me? Hey, but hold on. The joke's just flattening and the he and the haha and like, like he ain't that boy.
Sports Analyst 2
Don't. You don't think that fit. You just said the man been hurt three of his six years.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, I'm just speaking facts on what happened.
Sports Analyst 2
The first year he got hurt, the next year he went through. Then he went to the. Then he went to a Super bowl. Then he got his wrist hurt. Now he done missed 10. He missed the entire rest of that season, which was probably about eight, nine games. Now this is week 12, so he's gonna miss at bare minimum, a bare minimum another 10 games, right?
Sports Analyst 1
What the hell happened to my camera?
Sports Analyst 2
You act like we put this around Brett Favre. Peyton, come on now. Oh, there you talk about a guy that's been. He missed 10 games his rookie season, if not more. He's gonna miss 10 games this season with his wrist injury, he missed probably another 10 games. So he's missed probably 30 games since he's been in the league.
Sports Analyst 1
Right? I didn't need you to detail all that.
Sports Analyst 2
The whole thing. The best part, the really great with Ocho, you know this, they gotta be available.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, you right, you were available.
Sports Analyst 2
What good? What good is that? Man, I had the best feet, man. I had the best feet in the NFL. Yeah, but you played every other year.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, yeah, you, you right, you're right.
Sports Analyst 2
But you played every Sunday.
Sports Analyst 1
I did, I did, I did. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. You should have seen my feet, Joe. These things right here, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
Oh, yeah, I seen you cut a rug or two.
Sports Analyst 1
This thing right here, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, them boy got a mind of their own, boy.
Sports Analyst 2
You hear me? Hey, we already know what gonna happen though, Joe, man. Oh, have 150 yard and two touchdowns, but they lost.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, that's a lie. That's a lot.
Sports Analyst 2
Now don't do that, Ocho. Hold on. Don't do that. You saying long as Osho got.
Sports Analyst 1
He is.
Sports Analyst 2
He was cool.
Sports Analyst 1
Nah, nah, I'm not saying that. I did everything.
Sports Analyst 2
No, he wasn't happy about it. He just knew it was. Hey, yeah, he knew I'm gonna get mine. Unfortunately, I'm not in a situation where as a team we're good enough to win more than we lose, Joe. So I gotta do. I gotta do my part.
Sports Analyst 1
And Joe, my grandma always told me, baby, in life, you can only do one thing. You can control what you can control and do your part. So, Joe, I did my part. Now, collectively as a team, I can't control the other 10 people. I can't control the 11 people that's on defense. But I know what I can control. What's that, bro? I control me, right? I can control them feet that had a mind of their own. Hey, Joe, I'm the only receiver, I'm the only receiver in the history other game. They didn't pay me to play receiver, Joe. They paid me for my feet alone. I'm just saying. I'm just being honest to you. It's in my contract. If you look, I show you a copy of my contract, it. It states we are paying him individually on what he's able to do with his feet. That's what they paid me for it.
Sports Analyst 2
So you said. So you saying when the DB lined up in front of you, he had no chance?
Sports Analyst 1
Light up in front of who? You, man. The devil is a lie, Joe. Why ain't play that up there. You get a. Don't ever get too close to me when we have a conversation because I'm gonna talk to you all the way through the route, okay?
Sports Analyst 2
Huh?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, man, I. Joe, I ain't play no game, Joe. Hey, boy, he was a.
Sports Analyst 2
He was in this. He was in this band. Ojo can sing really, really good, but they ain't have no number one hits because they would let him sing lead. So when they let him sang lead or they had more people like OO in the band, they'd have been really, really good. So in other words, he really needed to play an individual sport where he could just rely on himself. Because when you play football, you really got to rely on the 10 guys on offense, the 11 guys on defense, and the level of guy that they tried out there every time on special team. OO did his thing, but like he said, he could only do he. He couldn't tackle nobody. He couldn't get no picks, couldn't sack the quarterback.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, Joe, we, we had. We had some and then they got.
Sports Analyst 2
Really good once they got. They got caught when. Well, Kidna wasn't bad. Kidnapped through for 4, 000. Kidna wasn't no bad quarterback, but they was bad enough that they got the. They got ended up getting Carson Palmer with the number one overall pick. And then once Carson got in there, they kind of took off from there.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. Hey, Joe, we were good, man. We. Listen, we. We had, we had some. We had some ups and downs.
Sports Analyst 2
Hold on. Let that. Look, I don't get. I don't pat you on the back now. Yeah, I was patting you on the back. I wasn't trying to beat. Dust out your clothes. Yeah, he want me to beat dust out of clothes now. Damn.
Sports Analyst 1
I appreciate it.
Sports Analyst 2
We just couldn't leave it at that. Man, Ocho was really good. Ocho did his thing.
Sports Analyst 1
I was nice. Now, you know, I was a little something. I was a little something to watch, man.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. Hey, Joe. Hey, you know. Hey, Joe. I could fill up a stadium by myself, Joe. I would like that.
Sports Analyst 2
You gonna put on the show now?
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, yeah, you're gonna get that. You're gonna get that when I was playing home away. I'm gonna fill your stadium up and.
Sports Analyst 2
See, that's what I need to see. I need to be. I need to be a couple of years. A couple of years younger.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Cause he'd be. I'd have been talking to him on the sideline, talking right out of the game.
Sports Analyst 1
How you gonna take my script and try to use it on me?
Sports Analyst 2
Ocho, you do realize I was talking before you was born, but do you.
Sports Analyst 1
Know where I'm from? Do you know where I'm from? Do you understand? We start in peewee. Peewee Optimus. That talking start at four years old. You weren't doing that when you was four. You. When you was in four, you was out there in the country, you know, picking watermelon. You weren't talking like this. I came out the womb talking. Yeah. That's what I do. Hey, Joe. I'm telling you, Joe. But you put me in the right environment.
Sports Analyst 2
But I say we talked it right out of this game, Joe. Hey, I'm saying y' all ain't never play against each other.
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Sports Analyst 1
Hey, Joe, I spanked him.
Sports Analyst 2
He was younger than me.
Sports Analyst 1
It don't matter, Joe. I spanked him when we played him. Every time, Joe, I showed up to the party.
Sports Analyst 2
That I was on. Okay, Joe, you was on. You was on the team. What you talking about, Joe? We already say you had 30 something yards, Ocho.
Sports Analyst 1
That's all.
Sports Analyst 2
That's what you mean, that's all?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah, I mean, because I'm just saying I'm really not a 30 yard receiver, so the fact that I only had 30 when you.
Sports Analyst 2
When and when you scored against the Broncos, Joe, I. I mean. Oh, I was already at the game. The game was over.
Sports Analyst 1
Whoa, whoa. Do you know you not finna do that? Oh, no, the devil is alive because you've been out the game now for 20 some years, and every time the Broncos play.
Sports Analyst 2
You talking about I. When? The game that you played when I was with the Broncos.
Sports Analyst 1
Right.
Sports Analyst 2
And the game you scored on, you scored with like 20 seconds. The game was over. I was on the sideline drinking Kool Aid bellies.
Sports Analyst 1
Well, hold on. Wait a minute.
Sports Analyst 2
Okay, Joe.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey. Hey, Unk. Hey. Hey, Joe. I think Unk might got amnesia. Because if I recall, in 2005 against the Denver Broncos, Monday Night Football, I went crazy. If I'm not mistaken, I retired.
Sports Analyst 2
I was in the booth. I was sitting at a desk.
Sports Analyst 1
What does that have to do. You just said I only scored against the Broncos. You just said I only scored in the Broncos in the last 30 seconds. That's not what I recall.
Sports Analyst 2
No, no, no. I said when I was playing on the Broncos with Shannon.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, okay.
Sports Analyst 2
With Shannon. I don't know what. What you did after I left. Yeah. But I'm saying I do know you score with like 35, 40 seconds left in the ball game. I done got my shoes off. I got on flip flops.
Sports Analyst 1
Okay, okay, it sounds good.
Sports Analyst 2
I got on sound. I got on shower shoes on the sideline. I done cut my tape off and everything.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
And you still in there playing. When you scored at the end, you were still there.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
It was either 2002, 2003. I ain't gonna lie to you. I remember like it was yesterday. We don't beat the. We beating the brakes off him, and then he gonna try to celebrate.
Sports Analyst 1
All right? I never. Hey, Joe. One thing I never do, I was always self. Aware. I was always gonna pull it up. You heard me, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
No, you weren't self aware with that one because I don't know why. Why? I don't even know why you scored a touchdown and want to celebrate.
Sports Analyst 1
Hold on. I'm telling you how it was. I never do that. Hey, Joe. Unless we. Unless we scoring first or I'm scoring to tie, I never celebrate. If I was scoring, we were losing. Never, never.
Sports Analyst 2
That.
Sports Analyst 1
That's. To me, that's a lack of self awareness. And to me and myself, I look crazy because why the hell am I celebrating? There's nothing to celebrate for. And we not winning the game or actually tying the game. So that's something I always kept in the back.
Sports Analyst 2
Well, you wouldn't win no game with me, but I'm just saying. And. Well, was it 03 or 02? I'm trying to think. It might have been 02.
Sports Analyst 1
N 02. I gave y' all that work that's all I know.
Sports Analyst 2
03. Oh, oh, oh.
Sports Analyst 1
Get it right. Ash, pull up the receipts.
Sports Analyst 2
Ash, When did all up. When did he score that touchdown? What? When did he score that touchdown?
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
Hey, hey, Joe. You see. You see Ash put out the machine, Joe. I was out there giving boy that business.
Sports Analyst 2
But see, what. Hold on. The score was 30 to 10. Hey. The score was 30 to 3. Empty calories did all that hard work. He got some cardio in the first four and a half. Quote, three and a half.
Sports Analyst 1
Why didn't you just heard it say I was giving y' all that work? You just heard, Ash, I give you all that work.
Sports Analyst 2
You caught a 23 yard touchdown. The score was 30 to 3. We done took our starters out. We ain't get nobody hurt. Nope.
Sports Analyst 1
The starters weren't out the game. They weren't out the game, cuz. What? That.
Sports Analyst 2
What?
Sports Analyst 1
You not. You're not gonna put no backups on me? Not. No. No, you're not. No, you're not. I think the person, if I'm not mistaken, that was coming me. He wore 24. He wore 24 with me the whole game.
Sports Analyst 2
Who dealt? O'? Neal?
Sports Analyst 1
Nah. No.
Sports Analyst 2
Champ wasn't there when I was there, Ocho, okay? I was gone. Oh, who was.
Sports Analyst 1
Who was it? Who was it?
Sports Analyst 2
It was Delta o'. Neal.
Sports Analyst 1
Well, he got that work, too, who.
Sports Analyst 2
Ended up playing with you in Cincinnati, if I'm not mistaken.
Sports Analyst 1
And he got that work. Anybody with a two and a number got that work for years straight. Except Reavis. Except Reavis.
Sports Analyst 2
I'm gonna give him his credit, I think. If I'm not mistaken. Who. Who you giving credit to?
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, Reavis. That's it. That's it. And it. Listen, hey, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
No, no, no, no, no, no. We didn't have Reavers.
Sports Analyst 1
No, I know. I'm just saying. I was telling Joe, anybody with a two as they first number got that work like 11, 12 years straight. Joe, I seen Reavis. Oh, man, it was like a bad relationship that never turned out right. You hear me?
Sports Analyst 2
And then how you get to Rebus Island? Couldn't get off there, huh? Let me find out. You was Gilligan.
Sports Analyst 1
No, I had Gilligan.
Sports Analyst 2
He was on Gilligan. Hey, Joe, I got somebody coming to rescue Gilligan.
Sports Analyst 1
Joe, I got stuck. Joe, I get. I ain't have my passport.
Sports Analyst 2
He had defense like that. Oh, Joe. Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
I mean, listen. Hey, Joe, he was nice. Joe, he was nice. He was nice. He was nice. All right. I'm not gonna say I talk crack. I Talk cray, I talk cash. But one thing I'm do well when it comes to defense, I'm gonna get up with it, give him his credit. And every time I see him, I give him his flowers.
Sports Analyst 2
That year he had a year, man.
Sports Analyst 1
Oh, Joe. Everybody got it. Joe. That 2009 season, Joe.
Sports Analyst 2
Yeah.
Sports Analyst 1
That was an historic run that will never be repeated. Never be. Every week he traveled with number one. I don't care. Hey, coach, I got it. Don't even worry about this.
Sports Analyst 2
And nobody, nope, nobody will get a hundred. No, a hundred. He shut down Megatron. He shut down Tio. He shut down. Yeah, everybody.
Sports Analyst 1
Johnson, Steve Smith, Andre, John. Nobody got over 50, boy. There's one person, there's one person who consistently was able to give reason that give Reavis that business and give him problems. And that was Stevie Johnson.
Sports Analyst 2
Stevie Johnson.
Sports Analyst 1
Yeah. Played, played in Buffalo. Hey, Joe. Stevie was about six fold and moved like he was five feet tall. I mean, as far his lateral movement and as quick.
Sports Analyst 2
You had to be quick to give him problems. You couldn't be a big receiver and be physical with him because that ain't into his hands. Then you had to be quick. You had to be twitchy. Yeah, yeah. If you weren't twitchy, it's a rap you got. You had hell on your hands. If you weren't twitchy.
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Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Date: November 23, 2025
Host/Analysts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson (and guests)
Episode Focus: In this lively Nightcap Hour, Shannon and Ocho cover the latest NFL and college football news, injuries, rankings, player controversies, and life advice, blending personal stories and signature banter.
This episode dives into the challenges faced by athletes—injuries, tough career decisions, and contract disputes—while also offering candid takes on modern NFL culture, team management strategies, and player legacies. The hosts also touch on locker room dynamics, media narratives, and even the importance of morning routines.
[03:05 – 08:36]
Michael Penix Jr.’s Injury History: Discussion on the devastating partially torn ACL Penix suffered, marking his fifth major injury in eight years. Both Sharpe and Ocho empathize, reflecting on how repeated injuries derail careers and development, using Thomas Davis as a positive example of comeback.
“You need those reps. And I'm sure after this season ended he would have been much better… that totally sucks.” — Analyst 1 (Ocho Cinco), [03:57]
“Rehab just gets you back to where you were. I'm trying to get farther than where I was, Ocho.” — Analyst 2 (Shannon Sharpe), [07:31]
Broader Injury Impacts: Talks about other recent injuries (Drake London), with the hosts lamenting how constant injuries, especially for key players or early-round draft picks, can upend both individual progress and team-building.
[05:45 – 15:03]
Quarterback Moves Under Fire: Criticism of the Falcons’ strategy to pay Kirk Cousins big money post-injury and then draft Michael Penix Jr., both with major injury histories. Sharpe questions the logic versus positional value and historic precedent.
“No other position does a guy come off an Achilles, in his 12th year, and get that kind of contract. Just for a quarterback.” — Analyst 2 (Sharpe), [10:00]
Talent Evaluation Regrets: Painful rundown of players passed over for Kyle Pitts in 2021 (like Ja’Marr Chase), lack of offensive chemistry, and coaching carousel headaches. The message: Atlanta’s issues go deeper than any one move.
[17:50 – 23:44]
Curfew Drama: CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens benched for breaking team curfew—the hosts admit it’s nothing new, but technology now exposes behavior that used to stay in-house.
“Now is a little bit different because we got cameras everywhere. Technology is a little different.” — Ocho Cinco, [18:49]
Locker Room Privacy & Loyalty: Ocho reminisces about keeping in-house secrets and contrasts today's more “relaxed” team culture with his old-school approach.
Funny Airbnb Revenge Story: A tangent about an Airbnb host retaliating against a negative review by exposing a guest’s infidelity—a metaphor for modern digital receipts.
[22:01 – 23:44]
Physical Prep Confessions: Ocho and Shannon debate the myth that sex before games hurts performance. Ocho’s strict “cutoff” vs. Shannon’s brag about big games post-rendezvous—both delivered with humor and braggadocio.
“My cutoff was Wednesday. If I don't catch you between Sunday and Wednesday...I can't do nothing with you.” — Ocho, [22:17]
“I had a couple of real big games...[after morning sex] — big ones.” — Sharpe, [23:28]
[28:46 – 34:08]
Pickens’ Breakout Year: Pickens' historic start in Dallas is hailed (second in receiving yards through 10 games). Ocho discusses the tough choices facing young stars between chasing the “bag” or staying with a contender.
“He’s doing more with less...58 catches, 908 yards.” — Ocho, [29:27]
Salary Cap Maneuvering: Detailed (and humorous) analysis of Dak Prescott’s inevitable contract extension and the complexities of keeping multiple star receivers. The realities of agent negotiations and Jerry Jones' “waiting game” approach are roasted.
“Now is he gonna have the patience to deal with that Jerry like to do, making you wait till the last goddamn minute?” — Ocho, [33:52]
Legacy vs. Payday: Strong advice for fans: let young stars do what’s right for their long-term future, not just for the team.
[41:46 – 55:47]
A.J. Brown Criticism: The hosts deconstruct negative media takes about Brown “losing a step,” defending him and exposing the manipulative phrasing reporters use to create controversy.
“This is the game they play...they come up with that ‘your production is not the same’...now you lost a step.” — Ocho, [43:35]
“Ever whoever say that I’m not the same player, ask the opposing team why they keep putting their number one corner on me then.” — Sharpe, [46:09]
Offensive Scheme Predictability: Ocho points out how easy it is to predict the Eagles’ playcalling—“if I know it, so do opponents!” They joke about how he could call the routes before the snap.
“Based on their alignment, the formation, and definitely based on down and distance, every single time...I can tell you what they’re doing.” — Ocho, [53:06]
Wideout Frustration: Insight into what it’s like for big-time receivers to watch others get more opportunities—“I don’t want to see that!”—and how stat lines can hurt future contracts.
[56:01 – 64:43]
Burrow’s Comeback Debate: Candor about Joe Burrow’s return from injury despite Cincinnati’s 3-7 record. Ocho wants his QB to end strong; Shannon counters that sometimes “you gotta get in the guy’s way” for his own long-term health.
“He can still be healthy, you know, regardless of circumstances, whether we're going to the playoffs or not.” — Ocho, [57:39]
“We can get you right going in the next season—don’t risk it now just to play out the string.” — Sharpe, [61:38]
Personal Pride in Losing Seasons: Ocho emphasizes players finishing strong to enter the offseason with confidence—“control what you can control.”
[67:03 – 76:20]
Who Balled Out Against Whom: A heated and hilarious segment where Ocho and Shannon argue over who put up numbers when facing each other’s teams, complete with memories, friendly jabs, and jokes on “empty stats” and defensive coverage.
“They didn’t pay me to play receiver, Joe. They paid me for my feet alone!” — Ocho, [66:16] “Anybody with a two in their number got that work for years...except Revis.” — Ocho, [74:20]
Darelle Revis Respect: Ocho offers rare praise for Revis' legendary 2009 season.
“That was a historic run that will never be repeated...every week he traveled with the number one [receiver].” — Ocho, [75:37]
On Medical Opinions:
“At that point, anything ACL…there’s no need for a second opinion. Go in there, get the work that needs to be done so you can get back that much faster.” — Ocho, [04:29]
On Modern Player Discipline:
“You know, if I’m ever in the chair, I’ma just plead the fifth. But I seen it happen now—now is a little bit different because we got cameras everywhere.” — Ocho, [18:49]
On Superstitions and Sex Before Games:
“My cutoff was Wednesday...I don’t want no spaghetti legs.” — Ocho, [22:17]
“I had a couple of real big games—real, real, real big ones.” — Sharpe, [23:28]
On Wide Receiver Life:
“How that go? How that’s gonna look, Ocho? Guy comes up in my house, goes for a buck fifty...now I’m on the sideline.” — Sharpe, [51:52]
On Defensive Greatness:
“That 2009 season, Joe…that was a historic run that will never be repeated...Nobody got over 50, boy!” — Ocho, [75:37]
The episode is packed with insightful football analysis, behind-the-scenes stories, and plenty of laughs. Shannon and Ocho keep it real on both the hard truths of NFL business and the lighter, personal side of the athlete’s experience, giving fans a detailed, fun, and unfiltered look at the league—on and off the field.