Nightcap Hour 2: Lakers are COOKING with Luka & LeBron + Luka Doncic SHOULD BE in MVP DISCUSSION + Wemby & Spurs END 6 YEAR PLAYOFF DROUGHT + Andre Iguodala says WINNING ISN’T a PRIORITY for NBA PLAYERS + Matt Leinhart says HELL NO to UN-RETIRING his ...

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2: Lakers are COOKING with Luka & LeBron + Luka Doncic SHOULD BE in MVP DISCUSSION (March 20, 2026)

Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson, and Ash)
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (Nightcap)
Episode Theme: A wide-ranging, high-energy discussion about the latest in the NBA—focusing on the Lakers’ recent run, Luka Doncic’s historic night, MVP debates, Wemby leading the Spurs back to the playoffs, evolving league priorities, and sports culture, past and present.

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Episode Overview

This Nightcap Hour 2 episode dives into some of the biggest NBA stories: the surging Los Angeles Lakers with their star combo of Luka Doncic and LeBron James, Luka’s monster 60-point night, and whether he deserves more MVP buzz. The crew debates the shifting priorities in the NBA, celebrates the San Antonio Spurs breaking their playoff drought thanks to Victor Wembanyama (“Wemby”), and explores hot takes on jersey retirements, player motivation, generational changes in sports, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Lakers and Luka Doncic’s 60-Point Performance

[02:47 – 10:38]

• Luka Doncic drops 60 points (18-30 FG, 9-17 3PT, 15-19 FT) in 38 minutes, tying his second-highest scoring game; LeBron posts a 19/15/10 triple-double.
• Crew discusses the chemistry between Luka and LeBron: LeBron facilitating more, not forcing shots.
  • “LeBron kinda figured it out... playing off Luka, and you see the chemistry show.” – ISO Joe [04:42]
• Lakers on an 8-game win streak; naysayers discounting the wins, but the team is surging to 3rd in the Western Conference.
• Defensive improvements: Marcus Smart's hustle praised; Lakers mixing in more zone defense, creating turnovers.
• Concern about missed free throws in tight playoff games: Luka and LeBron both left points at the line.
  • “You gotta put the ball in the basket when the clock stop.” – Chad [09:13]

Luka Doncic in the MVP Conversation

[09:49 – 11:20]

• Chad vehemently argues Luka should be in the MVP discussion: “Third seed in the West... leading the league in scoring. He’s probably averaging 40 over this eight-game winning streak.”
• Joe and Ash agree, but suggest that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander might have the MVP race locked up.
• The frustration that Luka’s greatness is being overlooked (“they don’t even have him in the discussion”).

The Modern NBA: Pace, Scoring, and Awards Criteria

[11:20 – 14:49]

• Impact of rule changes and faster pace—how today’s game taxes top players physically and leads to more injuries.
  • “Game played at such a fast pace... you running three, three and a half miles a game.” – ISO Joe [12:38]
• The evolving skillset: now even bigs must handle and shoot from deep (“That's what makes Wimby so phenomenal at 7'4.5, he can put the ball on the floor.” – Chad [14:49])
• Discussion of new awards eligibility rules (games missed, etc.) affecting contracts and All-NBA selections.

Victor Wembanyama & the Spurs’ Playoff Return

[14:49 – 17:08] and [45:48 – 47:22]

• Praise for “Wimby” on his breakout, including a game-winning fadeaway to clinch the Spurs’ first playoff berth since 2019.
  • “Wimby like a cheat code out there. Man, what you supposed to do with all that?” – ISO Joe [46:40]
• Spurs’ legacy of transformative bigs: David Robinson, Tim Duncan, now Wemby.
• How to defend San Antonio now (“You gotta tame the guys around him...can’t let Fox or Castle go for 25, 30” – ISO Joe [47:10])

Player Priorities: Winning vs. Numbers & Money

[47:55 – 50:08]

• Andre Iguodala’s comments: “Winning isn’t the priority for NBA players now,” referencing stats-driven contracts and a third of the league tanking.
  • Joe supports: “Guys are so caught up in their own brands now... and it’s easier to get numbers with the floor spaced out.” [48:23]
• The explosion of NBA salaries—$400M contracts predicted.

Old-School Sports Culture vs. Today

[26:24 – 29:53, 51:02 – 55:26]

• Stories about wild college football days, parties, and locker rooms—contrasting past camaraderie, physicality, and discipline with today’s more commercial, individualistic environment.
• Long debate about whether stars should allow their retired college jersey numbers to be reissued for special talents.
  • “My legacy is already cemented in that jersey. The fact that someone else is wearing it, I would see that as a sign of respect... But not for just anybody.” – Ash [52:59]
  • Chad is adamant about keeping his number retired: “There’s a reason why we got number two. Ain’t no way.” [54:43]

NBA Defensive Assignments & No Off-nights in the West

[16:36 – 19:43]

• The daily grind of guarding elite scorers night after night: Luka, Shai, Jalen Brown, Ant-Man, Steph, etc.
  • “You don’t get no off nights in the West, partner.” – ISO Joe [17:40]
  • On prepping for those match-ups: “You better get you some sleep. You know they coming in, they mind is right.” – ISO Joe [19:09]

Why Luka Doesn't Get More MVP Respect

[37:09 – 39:28, 65:11 – 66:31]

• JJ Redick’s theory: Luka’s habit of arguing with refs hurts his MVP case.
  • “Forget what he’s doing on the court, you know we not gonna put him in the MVP conversation simply because he complains to the refs. That makes absolutely no sense.” – Ash [37:38]
• Stat comparisons: Luka has more 60-point games than LeBron, KD, and Dirk combined.

Luka’s Unique Playing Style

[39:47 – 41:56]

• Segment on how Luka is so effective despite not being traditionally athletic.
  • “He knows how to manipulate the game... gets into a spot...deceptive, can stop on a dime, great angles, uses his body.” – ISO Joe [40:46]
• How the Lakers’ offense leverages weakside shooting and LeBron’s “dunker spot” role.

Playoffs, Brackets & Lighthearted Banter

[63:25 – End]

• March Madness bracket updates, predictions, and trash talk about whose bracket is busted.
• Fun Q&A about childhood sports memories, video game battles, and favorite defenders they’d faced.
  • “Who gave me the toughest matchups on defense? I’ll probably give it to Ron Artest because Artest was so physical.” – ISO Joe [69:42]
• Closing thoughts: “If you want to be great at YouTube or podcasting, you have to put the time in. It’s a lot of work.” – Chad [79:09]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Luka’s performance:
  “You get a guy rolling like that, bro, you shake his hand. Great game. We going on to the next.” – ISO Joe [04:42]

• On Lakers’ critics:
  “People try to dismiss them...if they beat the Knicks—aberration. Nuggets? Aberration. But they just keep winning.” – Chad [03:59]

• On defense in today’s league:
  “Great offense, gonna beat great defense” – ISO Joe [18:17]

• On jersey legacies:
  “Make your own number famous. Get you a number and make your famous.” – Chad [55:26]

• On the grind of the NBA season:
  “You don’t get no off nights in the West, partner. You better bring your lunch pail every day.” – ISO Joe [17:40 & 17:45]

• On NBA player priorities now:
  “Guys are so caught up in their own brands now...” – ISO Joe [48:23]

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Highlighted Timestamps

• Luka goes for 60, Lakers 8th straight win: [02:47 – 10:38]
• Luka’s MVP candidacy & West playoff race: [09:49 – 11:20]; revisit [65:11 – 66:31]
• Changing eligibility for awards/contracts: [11:20 – 14:49]
• Wembanyama and Spurs clinch playoff spot: [45:48 – 47:22]
• Andre Iguodala’s “winning isn’t a priority” comments: [47:55 – 50:08]
• Retired numbers debate: [51:50 – 55:26]
• The NBA’s star-studded nightly grind: [16:36 – 19:43]
• Why Luka isn’t the MVP favorite: [37:09 – 39:28]
• Luka’s playing style dissected: [39:47 – 41:56]
• Playoffs, brackets, & fun banter: [63:25 – End]

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Tone and Atmosphere

The episode is playful, animated, and deeply knowledgeable about both basketball and football, with the hosts sparring over stats, narratives, and personal stories. Their insider perspectives as former elite athletes elevate the conversation, and friendly razzing keeps the energy high throughout.

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Summary

This Nightcap episode delivers sharp analysis of the Lakers and Luka Doncic’s rise, candid MVP debates, generational shifts in NBA culture, and personal anecdotes from OGs of the game. The show stands out for its mix of strategic breakdowns (“LeBron facilitating...not taking a whole bunch of shots...super efficient” [04:42]), passionate takes (“Lucas in the MVP discussion. How could he not?” [09:49]), and locker room banter. The result? An episode that’s as entertaining as it is insightful—required listening for any NBA or sports fan.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Luka Dodget Put up 60 points tonight. Tied the second most points in Luca scored of the game. But why behind the 73 that he had against Atlanta matching the 60 point. Remember he had a 60 point, I think he had a 60 point triple double. Wasn't that against the Knicks? He had a 6020 trip dub where he missed on purpose. He reached the 50 point plateau for the second time in his five in his last five games. And he did so on the second night of the back to back. LeBron finished with 19 points, 15 rebounds, 10 assists. And he tied hall of Famer Robert Pearce chief for the most games played. Excuse me. At 16:11, Luca played 38, played six, 38 minutes. He has 60 points on 18 of 30, shooting 9 of 17 from the three point line. He was 15 of 19 from the foul line. So he had 60 points, seven rebounds, three assists. LeBron had 19, 15 and 10. Marcus Smart had 13 points, Austin Reeves had 18 points. And they go on the road and win the eighth consecutive game. Now people gonna try to dismiss them because when they beat the Knicks. Oh that, that was an aberration, right? Beat the Nuggets, that was an aberration. They beat the Wolves, that was an aberration. They beat the Houston on Monday and Wednesday. The Rockets aren't that good now they beat the Heat. You see what they try to do in order to invalidate what the Lakers are doing. Just say the team that they're beating aren't any good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but if they would have beat the Lakers. Cause I remember they say they can't do nothing with the Nuggets. Yic got LeBron's number. They can't beat good teams. Now these teams, they're good teams and they're beating. Well, let's try to undervalue what the Lakers are doing by saying this team's not any good. Guys watching the Lakers tonight. Joe, what did you like about what you saw from Luca?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean his aggressiveness, you know, just being able to get to his spots. Uncan Ocho whenever he get ready, no matter who's guarding him. It was nothing they can do. Man, you get a guy rolling like that, bro, you shake his hand. Great game. We going on to the next. But I like how, I like, I like how LeBron I like how LeBron kind of get in there and facilitate unk. Like, you know, he, you know, he reads. He kind of reads the game like he ain't taking a whole bunk of shots. He been super efficient and, you know, obviously he had a triple double tonight. But I think him playing off Luca, he's figured, he, he's kind of figured that out. They figured that out as a team. And you can kind of see because the chemistry kind of shows. It's, it's, it's resulting in the wins. Are they. What's they? What they number three in the west now?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They three. They two. I think they got like two. They like two up on, on fourth and two and a half. On fifth, they're 45 and 25, so they got 12 games to play.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And I'm sure they want to finish the season strong to where they can have home court advantage in that first round for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? So, hey, man, they've been playing great ball. You know, we. We've been wondering if they could keep it up. I mean, they've been pretty consistent as of late.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They have. LeBron didn't even take a three pointer. He didn't even shoot the three. So he's been. And 15 rebounds.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's huge.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Four of them on the offensive end. Ocho. Yeah. Your team, your heat. You like the heat?

[Ash]

Yeah. Hey, man, listen, I love my heat. I love my heat. I love what, what, what, what they did tonight. Bam. Bam had 28. God damn. Tyler had 21, Larson had 11. But I'm not sure what Spo was doing defensively.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Ash]

I'm not sure what he was doing, obviously, with Luca going off the way he going off at some point. Hey, I need to meet him. I need to meet him at half court, Joe. I need to meet him when they inbound the ball. I wanna, I wanna put that pressure on him all the way down the court.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, they tried.

[Ash]

Hey, man, Spo letting them boy play one on one damn near all game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, the problem is with the Lakers, if you double Luca, they know how to play on that backside so well that you gotta give up some. Ocho, you giving up dunks, lobs or wide. And they've been hot. They've been hot as of late.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, because think about it. You got, you gotta. You got one of the best pass, one of the best passers in NBA history. So if you double him, guess he's gonna swing it to LeBron, he gonna swing it to Austin Reeves, and then they go they gonna catch it. You already compromised because you got a two on one on Luca because you made him give it up. Now somebody's gonna attack the basket. And guess What? Lob to LeBron. Lob the DA.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Or wide open. A wide open shot. It's just a matter of they knock it down to Marcus Smart or Rui.

[Ash]

And so they.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They put. They put you in a bind. They put you in a bind.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they got a good thing going right now. They got a good thing going. I know they're playing really well.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And like I said, Look, Da, he only has six points tonight. Only play 29 minutes. He was three or five from the field, from the floor. He had four rebounds. I can live with that. Plus 13.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

You notice.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I can live.

[Ash]

You notice. You notice what nobody been talking about since. Since the league has been winning these past few games.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Ash]

Nobody mentioned nothing about their defense.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, they've been. They've been playing well. They've been doing a great job. The best player, they've been making him give it up. If you notice, they've been for. They forced a lot of turnovers on KD because KD not proficient at passing out of it. So they turned him over. Yeah, the throw it out of bounds he gave Marcus Smart was taking it from him. They did a great job. So they're doing a great job. They play a lot of. They've been doing a lot of zone, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they have.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They're not getting caught in that one on one look. And you go look at late in the game, Ocho.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Austin Reed gave up by four layups in a row. About four layups in a row.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, Marcus Smart help him though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

A lot. A lot of times what he does oo, it may not show up on the stat sheet, you know, meaning if he making shots, that's. That's a plus defensively, the disruptive that he brings to the game. You know what I mean? He junks it up. He a great defensive player and he understands his role and he's starring in his role, which is why. Another reason why I think they've been playing great basketball late. Cause he's taking the challenge on these dudes who supposed to be like that. Yeah. You know, the KDs of the world, you know, things of that. So, you know, he taking that challenge, bro. He making it tough on him.

[Ash]

Yeah, he made. He make it real ugly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The thing is what concerns me about the Lakers especially. Cause, you know, playoff games, Joe are close, Joe. They miss a lot of free throws.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They do, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They do a lot of free throws. They do when the clock stop. You gotta, you gotta put the ball in the basket when the clock stop

[ISO Joe Johnson]

and you, you miss a lot of free throws from your main guys. Yes, Luca LeBron like they, they are.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

AR was shooting 80, was shooting 87%. He goes six or 10. So they missed between, between the two of them. They missed 11 free throws. They missed 10 of them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they get the bulk of the shots. They, they, they got the ball in their hands at all times. They got to do better. Both of them got to do better.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They do. But I. Look, I know people don't want to talk about it, but Lucas, Lucas in the MVP discussion. How could he not be in the MVP discussion?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, he's in there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Third seed in the West. You say the west is the tougher conference. He's leading the league in scoring. In the last five games. He has two 50 point games and he had another 40 point game and he had a 30, a high 30 point game. So he's probably averaging probably 40 over. Over this eight game winning streak. And he was a rebound short. Remember the other night he was a rebound short of a triple double. Chicago, we had 44, 12 and eight. He was two rebounds, I think of a triple double. I'm staying in there. I'm getting that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Listen, now, he ball. He definitely in discussion. He in discussion.

[Ash]

For sure he not gonna win. But he's in the discussion.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, but the mere fact they don't even have him in the discussion. Ojo. Oh, I think, I think Shay's gonna win it. And I think deservedly so. Look, I think it's Shay, I think Luca, I think Wemby, I think Jokic and I think jb, Jalen Brown.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And you see, you see what you call him, he out man for the Detroit Pictures.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Collapse long.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So he's gonna probably. It's gonna probably hurt him because it's expected. That lung has to feel back, has to, you know, re. Inflate.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I think he can only miss like four more games to be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's over.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because you're gonna miss. Guess what? No. All NBA.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No. Mvp.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that hurts because guess what? That goes towards the max contract, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ash]

You think, you think for a player like that they allow that to. To affect him?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, if you as great as he

[Ash]

is, you don't mean they wouldn't give him no grace. Understanding that he's a max player.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That grace is 100 million extra. 100 million?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That ain't. That ain't an extra incentive for 25.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

100,000.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's extra 100 million.

[Ash]

I understand what you mean. I understand what you're meaning, but you still understand that. I mean the team in general, where

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you know they're giving out an extra 300 million, it ain't free.

[Ash]

You understand the player that you're getting,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

it is because they say you need to be at all NBA selection two years after you sign the initial deal.

[Ash]

I got you. I got you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And plus, that's going to be big. What you gonna do with Jalen Durden? He gonna say, well, hell, since y' all gave, put it in his contract, put it in mine. You. You see the slippery slope that you start?

[Ash]

Yeah, yeah, I got you, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look, I hate that they did it like this, but Adam Silver say, man, y'.

[Ash]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all taking too many games off. We playing these Saturday Sunday games, and y' all missing and people paying all this money for these tickets.

[Ash]

I'm watching.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I think they knew that these. A lot of these cats, especially the top cats, weren't going to be able to meet the game requirements criteria.

[Ash]

So they.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because, look, Uncle Ocho, the game is played at such a fast pace now. If. I'm telling you, if you one of the top guys, you running three, three and a half miles a game, and you doing that every other day, and this is the fastest pace the game has ever been played. Why you think. Why you think all our top guys get hurt?

[Ash]

Yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

it's too much on their body, obviously.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So they playing at a pace like they did in the. Joe. I remember in the 80s, the games was routinely 140, 150, 153, 161. You know, the games was up and down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then they said, well, that's too much. And then they let. They let them. They let them start playing football right then.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Then guys.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then they say, that's too much.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they just walking the ball up, throwing it in the paint, throwing it in the post, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

In the 90s now, it's just. The game is just. Guys, games have developed, and the game is at a high pace right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man. Guys, the game. I remember games. Playoff game within 73, 68.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now you got. Guys scored 80 points in one game by them damn self. And they would play four quarters, they be in overtime. And the final score, Chicago, 82, Nick 78.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

With overtime, it's. It's a different era. Now I think the thing is these guys are more skilled. They're. I'm not saying the guys that. The top guys, but you got more. They got more guys that, that. Okay. You still got the same amount of guys that's up here. Yeah, but I think from, from this to here, you got more guys.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shoot the basketball that can do more things than they could in the past.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. You absolutely right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You absolutely can shoot it now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the game has evolved. It ain't just if you 6, 9, 6 10, you get under that basket, shoot you a few jump hooks, do the George, Mike and Drill. Now we ain't doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, you better be able to put that ball. You better be putting. Put that ball on the floor and be able to put it in the basket from 28.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me? Yeah, you better be able to shoot that thing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what makes, that's what makes Wimby so phenomenal at seven four and a half, seven five. He can put the ball on the floor.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy can do more than that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, he had a game winning shot tonight. We're going to talk about that in a little bit, but he can stretch. Hey, he can shoot the three and we already know what he is defensively. Yeah, the, the, the thing that concerns me, Joe, will he ever be enough to get enough games in that he'll be able to win these major awards, the defensive player of the year, the MVPs, the all. I mean how many, how many games when we missed?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's gonna be tough, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, that, that Joe, where them people like to say the Lakers are better off with LeBron. Y' all still out there, y'. All. Yeah, Nate. Lakers still better off without LeBron.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They, they was tripping. They were tripping.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm just curious. I'm just asking. I'm just, you know.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Asking for a friend. My friend was asking to say, man, I ain't got no platform like you, but after chat. Are the Lakers still better off without LeBron?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, if they, if they gonna get this LeBron this

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

can only miss three more. Well, he missed 15 right now, Joe. He can only miss three more ball games.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wimby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If they probably ain't got no more than what, 12, 13 games left.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they probably got 15 on the high end.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He gonna, he gonna finish them because if he finished, he'll probably win. What? Defensive player of the year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He should.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he will.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

In hell. Step, step on. Stefan Castle should be right. Or be a team member too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, boy,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Marcus Marshall being there.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like the kid done from the Clippers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You like, done defensively?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, defensively, hell, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause he's taking the tough assignments, bro. You. I mean, think about it every night. You getting booked, you getting Shay, or you guarding Luca. You know, you get. You. You gotta. You gotta deal with Jalen Brown.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got to deal with Brunson.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got K. Cunningham.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't get no break.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you don't. They gonna have. They gonna have Casen Wallace in there, too, though. He leading the league. And still he gonna. He gonna be in there, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I'm like, bro, I don't. I. Can I get a night off?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right? Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You get Luca, then you get Shay, you get Castle, you get Brown, you get Brunson, you get Cade. Yeah, well, damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's your job, bro. Hey, we sick. Hey, you our little dog. Hey, sick him. Get him, get him. Get him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, when Steph is healthy, you got Stephen.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When Dane come back, you got Dame.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't get no off nights on the West.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jamal Murray.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't get no off nights in the west, partner.

[Ash]

You gotta put. Put your track shoes on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You better bring your lunch pail every day. It's gonna be tough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that's not. That's not. That's not an easy assignment to draw. Yeah. Because all those guys are buckets.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You have an off night, somebody hit your ass for 40. Somebody hit you with 50. Somebody hit you for 35. I mean, and you. Hey. And you got people out there think, man, he. Man, he can't. No, he can play. Those guys are just really good, right? Great offense, gonna beat great defense.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause there are sometimes that. Hey, Luca was making shots tonight, man. Hey, if I. Mitchell, if I knew. Guys, I'm looking at sp Night sport. What you want me to do? You see this man shooting this ball from this man down here in high. Leah shooting the damn ball. Get up on it.

[Ash]

Where you at?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, sometimes you got a.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's why. Hey, dude, get it going, bro. I'm telling you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

First off, coming into the game, you need to already know. Okay, look, that's why I say, like, when I played against Cold T Mac and all them Ocho, I made sure I got my rest that night, bro. Cause I needed all my energy. I'm telling you, if them jokers gonna have 30, 40, I gotta make sure I have about 30, 42. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And I knew, and I knew it was gonna be hard trying to stop him. So, man, listen, when you know who you playing, so you don't get embarrassed. You better get you some sleep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We forgot about Ant Man. You got to deal with Ant man, too, you know? Ant man looking to drop 40 on you. Everybody that we mentioned can give you the easiest 40 quick. And you mess around and slip.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Might give you 50, 60.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There you go. There you go. And now y' all.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. Catch a rhythm. You let Luca catch a rhythm. It's over.

[Ash]

It's a rap.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's over with.

[Ash]

You got good rest before you had to see them boy T. Mac and Kobe there, Ma.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, what you gotta have some rest, ojo. Cause you know they coming in. They, they, they. They mind is. Cause you could tell from the start how aggressive guys be. And they playing in Atlanta. I don't know what it is, but a lot of cats like to play here in Atlanta. You know what I mean? I could tell by the energy, you know? I can feel it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Aren't yours the same?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, you got a televised game. Oh, you know people. Hey, man, I got Ocho, man. I gotta pick on Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You're not gonna go. Guys be looking. If they play good against the big guys, they gonna be, hey, let your boy get that Pro bowl vote. You see what your boy did last week, right? You know, oh, you're not gonna get no pro boat on me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you help defense in the NBA when we played. When I'm playing against them, dude, if I'm guarding them, Ocho, my hip. Defense ain't about nothing. You hear me? I'm locked in on my man. Damn. My bad. I gave up a layup. I just don't want to make the score.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That ain't my man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that ain't my man. Hey, my. I ain't gonna look up at the end of the game. My man got 44, and I got 15. Nah. Right, right, right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, double bump that. No. Double bump what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right. Cause we in trouble if you can't guard your man and I got to pay all the tip, then we in trouble. We in trouble. I need you to be able to guard him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, no. They be asking you to do unrealistic stuff. Oh, you want me to block DT by myself? He whipping our tackle ass. What you think you gonna do to me? I help somebody, but don't give me. That ain't my responsibility.

[Ash]

That's funny.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But the Lego looking good. I gotta get to A game? I gotta find out what game they play.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, you ain't. You ain't gonna do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm a good idea.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They ain't got but 10, 12 games.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know. Hey, them playoff tickets.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You going to a game, man?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I better cut this. Hey, Joe, I'll see you tomorrow, man. Baby, baby. This man about to make me lose all my religion. Hell, no, Man. Nah. Last week we was out there. Last week. Last week we was out there two days and the Lakers play. I forgot that we had Tuesday off, and then by the time I remembered

[ISO Joe Johnson]

it, they probably was playing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But I wouldn't even think, man. We had been traveling so much, I wasn't even thinking about it. And then I just thought about. I said, jordan, man, I could have went to the game tonight, But I'm getting. I'm gonna get out there. I'm gonna get out there to a game.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, Let me know where you going, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I will not. I absolutely will not let you know what I'm doing. Hey, me and Joe being Joe, gonna be out of one of them house games.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. And you know the playoffs about to get ready to start, too, Uncle.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, y.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Instead of climbing the ladder, so. Them boys. Hey, hey. Boy, them house gonna be something to see in the playoff. They playing great ball.

[Ash]

Yeah, I'll be there with y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All. What?

[Ash]

I'll be there with y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All.

[Ash]

Just. Hey, listen. Hey, tell me when you going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'll be there the next time you see me. Partner, you better. You better put your sets up. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You better put your.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Next time you see me, you better put your sets up. That's all I'll tell you.

[Ash]

Hey, I'm gonna be right here on the phone waiting on you, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm right here on the phone. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's the Laker schedule? What's the Laker schedule?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, he flies. And you finna have surgery?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, who you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's all right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I go out there with a crutch.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't gonna let him see you like that when you.

[Ash]

Hey. When you go, hey, uncle, you going to surgery?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm contemplating. Oh, so you're not going?

[Ash]

You're not going no more?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, I'm trying to postpone this thing, man. I ain't trying to be laid up like that. Hold on.

[Ash]

You just said you only had to recover.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What. How long?

[Ash]

Recovery.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They're on the road to the 27th,

[Ash]

and then they have Nets, Wizards and Cavs at home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna go see a guaranteed victory. So I'm gonna go see when is April. That's in April, right? Actually, no, this last game in March.

[Ash]

So they play the Cavs 331 and

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

then that's the last game of the regular season. 331, March.

[Ash]

Last game of March.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Ash]

And then their last game of season

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

is against the jazz on April 12th. Okay, I see. I'm gonna see. I gotta make sure, cuz. Boy, I would be pissed if I go out there and spend all that money. LeBron ain't playing. LeBron. Luca ain't playing. Hey, I might have to walk out there on the cold to get a tech.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's why you wanted to stay a tight race so they can. So they can continue to play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you see, think about it. LeBron played in the back to back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ash]

He gonna take a game off, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, this would have been a time, but hey, he's like, hey, I gotta get my body ready. Luca played it a back to back. Think about it. What he did last night, what they did last night in Houston.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fly from Houston down to Miami. This thing dead dead serious.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They probably in Miami kicking it right about now. It's got the day off tomorrow.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Cause they play. Yeah. Cause they play Orlando on, I think, Saturday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. Probably got him. Big boy party tonight. They probably kicking it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I already know what going on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They don't do that for the football players. Don't. Yo, we get our ass up out of town as soon as.

[Ash]

Hey. Hit the shower. Shower. Get dressed and get on the bus.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. It's too many of y'. All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. From the time. From the time the game in. Oh, they're about an hour. We pulling up out of there, all that. Hey, hey, we gotta go. Hey, hey, wrap it up. We gotta go.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, Joe. Hey, when they hit that horn. You know how you see your family after the game?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When the bus hit that horn, it's time to go.

[Ash]

Time to go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy, they'll leave you. Have your family bring you to the airport.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn, I miss la.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because we first started la, I had Mark Carrier family. He had two sisters and his mom. They would come to the game and they would bring big old pans of fried chicken, collard greens, macaroni and cheese, rolls I like. Well, damn, do I get to eat anything?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, by the time I get

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

ready to eat it, I got two wings left. O.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, they. They Y' all know they can't keep y' all around too long, man, they all at least one or two. One or two of y' all gonna get into something for real. Yeah, they gotta get y' all out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it testosterone level still through the roof. We still got that adrenaline pumping.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yo, still running out, Red Bull.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, but that's why you. I mean, if you think about it, Ocho, most of the time, the fight start. What happened after game? In college, at the game, you know, we. We had guys look at the fight. They go to the party to fight. Ain't nobody going to dance, trying to hide no lady. They looking to set it off, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You go. You go to the. You go to the party in college, who out there fighting? Them. Them football players.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Them cute.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All y' all out there tying it up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm like, sharp, sharp. Hey, the coach ain't security. Why you come get me? Come on, man. Why y' all want to fight, bro? But see, I. Hey, back now. Hey, the guy squeezed one off in you back then. Everybody was just knuckling up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, they ain't playing.

[Ash]

Them always different.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They ain't playing no more now. Hey, ain't nobody taking no ass cutting like they used to. Hey, you take an ass cut, you be all lumped up and everything. Hey, but you just keep it moving now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Better had that fire went off up in you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Better have that fire for sure. And then we be fighting amongst each other like, dude, we just played y' all in the huddle together, dapping everything up. And now y' all out here tearing up the door. At least it was reasonable during the season, once the season was over. And Friday night and Saturday night, they snatching the phone off the wall. They snatched the TV off the wall. Bro, we got the TV in a lock with two locks.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's up with all that, man?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What? Look at here. A Joe. I'm talking about snatch the bri. They had to put the TV in padlocks. Padlocks. Them jokers get drunk. I'm talking about everything. All the phones off the wall, the washing machine turned upside down, the TV snatched off the. I was like, bro, how we gonna wash clothes? How we gonna make any calls? Y' all keep doing this. Ish.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. Oh, it was.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, like I said, I hope it's not like that now. But, boy, back then, I bet you still.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You still got some of that. You still got some of it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because they open it to that level, Joe, when I say it was on another level.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, I'm saying we're on another level. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you know, we had them guys that look, I'm talking about, they look for, hey, man, sharp, I'm out. You know, hey, I'm just gonna. Hey, just go ahead and stay up tonight. Cause I'm gonna get in some.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. See? And that's what you get from a 19, 20, 21, 22 year old.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

They gonna act like that, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You didn't have a whole lot of money, Joe Ocho, you know, so them guys don't put their money in. Yeah, they come back there with some Everclear, some golden grain, 190 proof.

[Ash]

What's that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, well, they can start a car. They don't cut. They cutting up oranges, they cutting up apples. They cut the bananas. Lil McClock Joker just staring out the window.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, Joe, what's that? What's that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's. You put that in your car and it'll go, hello, it's 190 proof.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's alcohol. Oh, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Ash]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh my goodness, it must be cheap alcohol, like for.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, it's cheaper.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Get the parties. Ain't nobody drinking.

[Ash]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, maybe if you got your work study, you was able to get some Cavasier or some Hennessy, like that. But for the most part, you drunk Black Label, you drunk Schaefers, you drunk them big mouth Mickeys. You had Everclear, you had, you know, you had cheap stuff. Yeah, that'll sit you on your ass. Yeah, but that's why everybody comes. So everybody know they gonna be drinking I had everybody wallet. Anybody that had wallets, anybody had chain. Gold chains or bracelets. It's all in my room.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come Sunday. So they bring it on Friday. Come Sunday. Hey, Sharp, I. I leave my wallet over here. Yeah, it's up there, bro. Hey, man, Sharp, did I give you my chain? Yeah, it's up there. Cut out because they know I wasn't going nowhere, right? But, Joe, I enjoyed the camaraderie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Had. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy, I sure hated when Friday and Saturday came. I ain't gonna even lie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The boy act of food in there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Did they?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, I'll tell you, I already know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You couldn't have no party. You couldn't have. They. You had to let them in. You couldn't have no party. Okay, this party is for this group.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Them boys shutting it down. They shutting it down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They go in the tank. If you got a keg. If somebody got a party and they got kegs. The kegs back in Peacock. They don't took them kids. They don't took them kings. And you. We are. Hey, we had a dude. I ain't gonna call it. I ain't gonna put him out there like that. They don't stole a keg. But they didn't have the spout. Because you know, you gotta have the spout.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This joker went to his car. It's like, what? It's like. This ain't gotta. He got a spot. He got. He done brought a tire iron. So he wanted to bust it. The. The keg? Yeah, he wanted to bust the keg open and say, man, if we bust the top off, we can get the cans out of it. He thought the keg had cans in it. He didn't realize. They say, fool, if you hit this, this thing is going to explode. Hey, we have some guys. We have some characters on there. I don't know how. Some of them guys. Yeah. I don't know how they got in school.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's what.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, if dynamite were brain, they couldn't blow their nose. I have no idea.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

But they could play football, right? Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you, man. You got that, man. Hey, that. They don't call no coverage. Don't call no route. Hey, run this tackle here. If you get the ball tackling. Those were the days. JJ Reddick on why Luka isn't talked about more than MVP discussion because he complains to the refs. I don't know. That's why. That's it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They gonna hold that against him.

[Ash]

Forget what he's doing on the court, you know we, you know, we not gonna put him in an MVP conversation simply because he complains of the refs. That makes absolutely no sense, but I understand.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, no, he averaging what, like 30. He averaging like 33 a game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I think. I think he's in the conversation. They obviously, with 10 to 12 games left, if they can continue to keep winning. Is he gonna win it? Nah. But I definitely think he in there, man. But I think Shay. Shay has kind of sold it up, if you ask me. So that's probably why they don't really talk about it that much.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Somebody told you to invite some of your. You need to invite some of your former teammates. I absolutely will not invite any of my former teammates from college over here unless it's funny. Absolutely not. It'll tell him what they gonna say. Crazy to think, but Luca has more 60 point games than LeBron, KD and Dirk combined.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn. Hey, the boy been playing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shaq has one 60 point game, which is 61. LeBron has a 60 point game. I don't think KD have a 60 or Dirk.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, the boy can play. Yeah, he can play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, for sure he can play. He's been playing pro since about 12 or 13 years old.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

After you saw what he did to the Clippers as a young, young player, as a 21, 22, they had all supposedly all those defensive stoppers, they had pg, they had Kawhi, they had Pat Bell, and he cooked everybody.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I said, no, he. For real.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's. That's when he made a believe out of me too. I was like, damn, they can't do nothing with that boy out there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, and that would. And that was PG was at his prime.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yeah. They supposed to have a chance.

[Ash]

Hey, we. Hey, today on the late one, right, Joe, on my soccer podcast.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What'd you do?

[Ash]

So my guest today, we had Miles McBride that played with the Knicks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ash]

I think he hurt right now. So he from Cincinnati. He went to Mola High School. And we had a segment where we talked about comparisons. Right? So we were comparing soccer players and who. And we use NBA players as a reference. And obviously Luca's name came up, you know, today and talking. And I say, how does Luca cook? The way he cooked. But it seems so slow.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

From the naked eye, from me watching at home, like he's not explosive like a Russell. Like a Russell Westbrook.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ash]

Like D. Rose in his Prime. How does he go? And he's like, man, listen, he knows how to manipulate the game. He knows how to manipulate defenders. He knows how to use his body, you know, and. And get into a spot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

I mean, the way he explained. He's explained it so perfectly where it just made sense. If you never watch Luca play and you hear him explain today on the show now, it was. It was dope.

[Kevin Bacon]

It was dope.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He's. He's very deceptive, Ocho. You know, he can stop on a dime. He has great breaks and he has great change of direction, you know, I mean, you don't have to be the fastest, the quickest, the most explosive, but if you know how to take angles, you know what I mean, you know how to use your body to keep defenders away. And that's what he does. Like, it's impressive to watch because you're right, he's not the fastest or the quickest, but you can't stop. None of that he got going on, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he gonna get to his spot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And the thing is, you worry about you. You make him get a ball up, he'll come right back and get it back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They so hop.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Go ahead, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They so high powered on their weak side, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

As far as shooting the three catching lives, like, you can tell those guys know what they gonna do. They very decisive when they catch the ball right there in the middle. Even Jackson Hayes, like, they make. They make pretty good decisions right up in that area. And they've been very effective in that. In that area too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And you see LeBron getting a lot of dunks from that dunker spot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, you know, he. He loves the ball at the nail.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because now he can wheel and see, and it's hard to bring the double.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You can't double from that spot.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't double him there.

[Ash]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And so. But that's gonna be. That's. I gotta. Obviously.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

the sky Game the Spurs in their six year playoff drive behind Wimby's game winner. Wimby buried as a 17 foot fadeaway over Iguidaro with 1.1 second to give San Antonio a 101 to 100 win over the Suns. The sharp mark Mark the Wimbys first go ahead and make in the final five seconds of the fourth quarter overtime in his career after missing the previous five attempts. Hey Wimby.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Two hot teams too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wimby had 34. He was perfect from the free throw line. 34 and 12 D. Fox had 23, Vesel has 12, Champagne had 14. Castle was out tonight.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but they deep though. They. It don't even matter. Okay. Oo that Castle didn't play. They deep. These two hot teams right now, Phoenix have been playing great basketball. Spurs has been playing great. But Wimy like a cheat code out there. Man. What you supposed to do with all that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hope he miss. Cause you ain't bothering that shot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You just gotta. You gotta tame them guys around them in order to beat them.

[Ash]

Gotta. Well you gotta play. You gotta play five on four, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm saying like you gotta kinda figure, you know when we gonna get his. But we can't let these other dudes, Fox and Castle and all them go for 25, 27, 30 points. Cause now we ain't got a chance.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, no, but the spurs are headed to the playoffs. I mean they get number one overall draft pick David Robinson, number one overall draft pick Tim Duncan, number one overall draft pick Wimy they keep them a

[ISO Joe Johnson]

nice big over there on the. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Every Damn near every 12 years they got another big.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not just any old big, a whole game changing big.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Andre Igadala says winning isn't the priority right now for players in the NBA. You got one third of the league tanking. You got guys who will never contribute to winning but have big numbers and then get paid. All agents do is say what your numbers are, then match them to whoever gets paid the highest in that category. So it's like I can average 24, but because it's not hard as it used to be. So now it's like, why play the right way to win when you can make more money getting buckets? Joe, any truth to that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's a little truth in it, I think. You know, guys are so caught up in their own brands now, Uncle Ocho, that, you know, they. They want their own brands to be successful just as much as, you know, whatever it is they doing on the court. You know what I mean? They want all that to be successful off the court. So you see a lot of guys who kind of, you know, kind of in their own lane, trying to do their own thing. So I think it's some truth to what Iguodala is saying. You know, it is a. I don't want to say it's easier to score, you know, in this era, but without the paint being so clogged up and the floor being so spaced and open, there's more opportunities. You know what I mean? There's more opportunities. And. Yeah, he is right. These agents do compare. It's just like in any other sport in football, if you. The franchise, a dude, we going with the. What, top five average salaries.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? So, like, if you. If unk. Average 25, we gonna look and see who averaged 25 and what he make.

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Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's how. That's how it's been.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What they gonna look at, Ocho? The Rams? Puka? AJ Looking at. Look at what Chase got. Yeah. Look at my neighbor numbers to Chase. Jsn. Look at my numbers to Chase. I don't know. I don't know what y' all want me to tell you. That's the way it works.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I. I get it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because the thing is, is that, I mean, look, it's so much money. 300. 300 million. Move. I mean, look at the contract. 300 million. Tatum and Brown got 300 million dollar contracts. They're about to be a $400 million guy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

In the next 10. In the next 10 years, they're gonna be a guy making half a bill.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Because the way the TV deals are and the money.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Endorsements. Yes. Oh, no question.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My goodness, I hope it be my daughter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You better. Hey, you better get there. Get a son, Joe, and get it right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got. I got. I. You know, I got a little fo. Yo over here. He looked like he's six. My little youngest son, Jet. Yeah. Yeah. He fold. He looked like he's six over here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you. He's shooting. He's shooting the rock.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. He should do a little bit of everything, man. I keep him right? We. I got him playing soccer, get his footwork right. You know what I'm talking about, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't let him play no football, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I ain't gonna let him play no football. We might play a little flag or something, you know? You know,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

don't let it play football. It's different. I mean, you gotta, like, you gotta really love it, Ocho. Like we did. Cause, you know, playing, bro, we had to get that paint.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. Flag. I. By playing flag, I'm trying to play hot water. I'm trying to put the helmets and pads on.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. As a little kid, you know, it's funny to me to see them kids out there, six, seven years old, man, hitting each other like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Ocho, baby, we had them snap on hip pads, butt pants.

[Ash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I never forget 1988. Boy,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

we tried. We tried. Hey, boy, we. Hey, we. And all that time we done been. We done been playing with our pants for years. We tackling in the front yard, we tackling on pavement, and we got.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Boy, please.

[Ash]

Playing throw up tackle. Y. I remember that boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all gonna get hurt.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, well, Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Touch that football. Bustle up, tackle the man with the ball.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Ash]

Good days there, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right. This is gonna be an interesting conversation. Former USC quarterback Matt Leonard revealed he's denied multiple requests to unretire his number 11 jersey for current players and recruits. Leonard said there have been multiple times where people at UFC have, have. Have asked me if I would unretire my jersey for some five star prospect. And do you want to know what I told those guys? Straight up? I said, absolutely effing not. I'm never going to retire my jersey for some random dude, by the way, that could wear number 11 and then transfer after a year. The only person I'll ever let wear USC number 11 would be Cole, who's not there right now. He's at smu. Or my two boys, if they end up going to USC and playing football, that's it.

[Ash]

I mean.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, Joe, let me know what you're thinking. Yeah, I mean, you had a jersey retired at Oregon State and somebody said, you know what? A wide receiver comes to you? Or the Oregon State came to you and said, ocho, we got this five star guy. He wants to wear, I think, what, he was 85 in college.

[Ash]

I was 80. I wore 80.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, you was 80.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This guy wants to wear number 80, you let him take it down off the wall.

[Ash]

Depending on who it is, huh? Depending on what it is. My legacy is already cemented in that jersey. And the fact that someone else is wearing it, I would see that as a sign of. A sign of respect. For one even wanting to wear it behind me being what I've done in college, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Now, again, it's very important. Depending on who it is. That's what matters most. You ain't just be no goddamn slouch and just wearing a jerk just because you want to have it on. Hey, Joe, if you that boy, right? Put that thing on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, Joe. University of Arkansas, if you had that number, they put that number up in the rafters and somebody said, we got this five star Joe and he wanted. You will let him get it?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It depends. I'm with. Ooh. Because I, I, I, I know some cats. I know some cats.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

From around the way. I'm talking about some youngsters. Like, if they, if that was, if that was the case. Yeah. I got a guy. I would definitely let him wear it. Yeah, for sure. But I got. Obviously my jersey is not retired, but I do enjoy watching the Razorbacks play. And Billy Richmond Jr. The third, Billy Richmond III, he wears number 24. That's what I won in college.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He'd be out there doing his thing. So I like to see that two, four out there getting money. You know what I'm talking about?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't gonna lie.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't doing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The answer is absolutely not. My jersey in Savannah State is retired. Number two. I have the only jersey that's retired. Yeah. And I've had guys hit me up on social media to my man Ocho. Do you know what the dude told me?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He said, you let me make you let me wear this number. I'm gonna make it more famous than you. You see how you turn your head on your.

[Ash]

He said he was gonna make it more famous than you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Hey, that's. That's. That's a good attitude to have. Is it? Was he really like that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know. Number two ain't coming down. There's a reason why we got number two. I got. Look, I was thinking about, like, what number could I get? And it just so happens by the time I got to Savannah State. Yeah. My brother had number two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because at first he was number 26, and then he was number 85. I had number three in college. I mean, in high school, he had number three. They Retired. They retired both of our. Sold. They retired number three for him and for me so nobody else could wear it. So when I got to college, I was like, man, what number should I get? I was like, three is good, but there's something about two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I like, I got number two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When Bill. When Coach Davis say, son, can't nobody else wear this number, they said, ain't no way.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't no way.

[Ash]

It just don't look right, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He say, son, no. Oh, I'm a three time all American, three time conference player of the year. Three, you know?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Kodak All American.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was like, bro, get. I say, make your own number famous. Get you a number and make your famous. Make you want to retire your number.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ah. N. You ain't getting that number.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, but what if he. What if he been wearing number two his whole career, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, he weighed Elmer two until he got to college at Savannah State, because he hit that one. Ocho. I'm not so sure it would look right. I'm not so sure to look right. Number two. It's anonymous, everybody. If you went. If you. Anywhere from the 80s, if you. If you was, like, came back to Savannah State from the time from 86 to 89.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They already know who that number is.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because I had it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because, you know, back then, you know, you had to take. We have no. No custom. No sleeves. So I used to take my arms.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And in the front, I had it. I had the tape side up so it looked like a question mark.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

please. I mean, come on, man.

[Ash]

I don't know. Some. Some. Some. Listen, you know, like, 85. 85 in Cincinnati, when other players wear it, you know, it. It. T. Higgins. I liked it. T Was like, man, I can't do it. It just. It. It just don't feel right. Yeah, it don't feel right. And then seeing other people at 85 just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I feel that same way. O. When I see people at 84, I was like, bro, come on, bro, you in 84. In Denver, you. I mean, do y' all know what that number represent? Y' all know who wore that number? I mean, look, me personally, I think it. Look, if. If you go to the hall of Fame, your number should. Your team should retire. I mean, like, there are very few numbers that's retired. Like, Steelers, they don't retire. I think Joe Green's numbers retired.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ernie Stner carries. I think Franco's. I think that's. Those are the only ones. I mean, but, like, you got the Bears, you got teams like that. They got so many guys in the damn hall of Fame, they run out of numbers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, you got the Bears, you got the packers, you got the Giants. Teams that have been in existence for over a hundred years. Yeah, they got, you know, 20, 30 players. Well, that's 20, 30 numbers. You only got 100 numbers, so you only got so many. But, you know, now, Ocho, when I first got to the league, you couldn't have a. Like a. A1 through, you know, 20 number.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Unless you. You like Ahmad Rashad. He got drafted as a running back, so that's why he was able to have 22 at wide receiver. So if you got drafted at a position and they move you, you could keep your number.

[Ash]

Your number. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So that's why, you know, you had, you know, numbers like that. But nah, hell nah, nah. I couldn't get. I could say nah, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, Like I said, you gonna need to be. I'm trying to think. You better be Charles Woodson.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gotta be a bad boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause Woody was number two. Woody was number two at. Michigan. Yeah, but, bro, don't make your own number. I tried to get me a number. Well, obviously in high school, you know, hey, my brother got it. I want that number and two. Nobody had two. Looked around. As a matter of fact, the guy that played opposite of me, he was. He want. He wanted three. But Coach Davis had done told me I can take any number that I wanted. Yeah, I want two. It's just something about that, too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That two hit a little different on the man. Hey, we all wore number two for what, a little significant part of our career, huh?

[Ash]

Yeah, I wouldn't. I was number two in. In high school. Trying to be like a Dwayne Starks. War two first when he was a quarterback.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And Samari roll, you know, smart roll.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I do.

[Ash]

And Samari won number two when he. And then when Samari left and I won number two. Oh, you know, you got. You got majority right there too, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, that's the one.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, Joe, that's my high school jersey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you want this one?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's the one you supposed to been sending me. You supposed to been sending me that a minute ago.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We're gonna get that out to you. Which one you want? You want the home jersey?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The red after the rose jersey after that damn stunt?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I want both of them. Both of them. They're on the way, Joe. Yeah, okay.

[Ash]

Hey, hey, hey. I never did Ask you how you got. How you got my high school jersey?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you need to ask Joe that. Cause Joe about to get him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You asked Joe how did he get him?

[Ash]

Hey, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Them jersey get to you, Joe, but I'm gonna be on your ass now, boy. All right? I need my jersey, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Joe. You said that's collateral, huh? Yeah, man. Come on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can put them on ebay. I know they'll go for a little something.

[Ash]

It ain't signed. It ain't gonna go for nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it go for a little something.

[Ash]

Hey, hey. I ain't. I ain't seen my high school jersey in so long.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, pretend you didn't see it.

[Ash]

I done saw that. Un Send me that, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I'm not gonna be able to do that. All right, now it's time to play a fade presented by prize picks. All right, we got UK and scu. Malachi Moreno, six rebounds. Yeah, he gonna get that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

More. Evan Mahaffy. Arkansas. Who? This is Arkansas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think that's Akron.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Akron. Akron.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So he get points and rebounds. Sixteen and a half,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

man. We all gonna be on here guessing,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think. How did we do yesterday? Did we do good yesterday? I mean, today? Nah, Acuff, I don't think a cuff ain't get us out. Get us our points.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He did.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, not the points, but he. But you combine points and assists.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, y' all don't worry about it. We'll get y' all next time. All right?

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't got no money now. I put on my butt over here. I'm gonna go more. I'm gonna go more.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Anthony Del Oso, Arizona guard. Is he gonna make one of the half threes made?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So he gotta make two to win? Yeah. Oh, man, he been shooting three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm going. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right. Oh, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Darren Peterson. Point, eight and a half points, rebounds and assists.

[Ash]

All together.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All together.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I' ma say. Yeah. I feel like Dan Peterson, he here to chatter. I feel like he gonna come out and put on the show. I got him. Yeah, I got him going over.

[Ash]

I like it, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm sure hope he stay his ass in the game long enough. If you do that, we got it. So we going over 25 to win. 150. Download the app today. Use code SHANNON to get 50 in lineups. After you play your first $5 lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be right. All right, it's time for the final segment.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The evening.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's time for Q and A.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's. Maddie says Ash go ahead and schedule a nightcap show in San Antonio for June. Shaolin Wimby is so final. We're going honking, baby. Oh, I can't forget and still.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello,

[Ash]

child, please.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jordan to go Ocho bracket done by lunch King. Isos going to Mollywop, Ocho, Easley, Liberty City. Saw them boys from Little Rock don't play.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello. I told y', all, man.

[Ash]

Hey, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Keep.

[Ash]

Keep thinking that now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, don't worry.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We're gonna.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We. We gonna show up and show out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

TS car wash detail service ISO up. Where y' all think Jordan Poole going to end up at next season? Why you think he keep hopping around?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's a great question. Cause he went from starting Uncle Ocho to now coming off the bench. And I've seen. I went. I went to the game when they played the Hawks. I think it's probably been a little over a month ago or so now.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And the man barely even played, bro.

[Ash]

Did he piss somebody off? Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I just think they. I think they just ready to move on. They gotta be ready. I mean, he.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He was barely playing ojo like. And I know he can play, so I don't know what it is if he done rubbed in the wrong way or if something he's not doing. I'm not sure. But they. They ain't giving them no love. They going with the young guy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He ain't been the same since he left Golden State.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah. Do you take that structure and stuff for granted, bro?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You do. Twitch and Ash. Can someone please tell the media MVP voters to stop hating on Luca and stop trying to take away from his greatness. They've robbed him from MVP in previous seasons. Shannon, you need to talk to Stephen A. And Perk and tell those guys to stop trying to take away and downplay Lucas greatness. And every year, the Haper brothers try to downplay how incredible Luca is. Tell them to stop. I think they know how great Luke is. He's. He's a historical player.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's about to lead the league in scoring for a second time. And he's only 27 years of age. 26. 26. I think he's 26 years of age. Maybe 27 now. Oh, he's great. He's historically great.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

A guy that can go get you 40, 50. He can get you 20 rebounds. He can get you 15, 20 assists. He's 27. Offensively, he has no weakness.

[Ash]

Defense.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Offensively, he has no weakness. He can shoot the three. He can shoot the mid if he need to, he can get to the rim. Ain't gonna play above the rim, but he could. He gonna get to the rim, he gonna stop bait you, you're gonna hit him in the back and he's gonna kiss it off the glass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And, and a am one he can post up. Yeah, he got everything in his repertoire. He can do everything. I. I agree. He just gota. He got to give you a little more effort on defense. And he, he does, he does try.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He been doing that lately.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he tried.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Too. Said like if you're here for Lakers and five

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Lakers in five.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If we get, if we get, if we get the T Woods, we're gonna get them in four.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, oh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You feel like you say 444.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You feel good about them playing the team?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I feel great. I feel Tony the Tiger great.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't, I don't feel great. I don't feel great. They playing great basketball. But I'll just we three and all

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

gives to Timberwolves this year.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, listen, let me tell you something. When I was playing in Brooklyn, Uncle Ocho, we went, we went 3 and 1 against the Miami Heat that year when they had LeBron D. Wade and Bosh and we played them boys in the second round of the playoffs. We felt good about it. We thought we actually had a chance to win.

[Ash]

They swept you?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, we won one game. The only how we won that game, we had to shoot a. A franchise high threes. We made a franchise high three just

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

to win a game. TS car wash detail service. Jokic averaging the triple double. How's the MVP not already his Because Shea and people think about it, he's a guard. He's averaging 3111 half points a game. He's shooting 50 from the floor. His team has the best record. He's the best player on that team. Unfortunately guys, he gonna win it again.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And people are tired of success. They tired of seeing Jokic. He didn't already won. What? Two, three. How many? One, three, three. Yeah. And. And you get bored with greatness, fellas, you do the man. The man just averaging. He, he ain't doing number averaging just a triple double. That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, big, big boy. 29, 12 and 10.

[Ash]

That's crazy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So hey, hey, you got, you got an argument there now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Taco Fall is the missing piece for the Lakers to win all year. You need someone to slow down, women to force him to take bad shots. Reach out to Rob and Jenny and make it happen. Thank me later. Taco can't move, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He can't keep up.

[Ash]

Taco by seven. Seven.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. They gonna put taco in them picking rolls, have them swiveling them hips ain't gonna make. Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

this is a day phenom. I'm running up these burner accounts to get y' all the two meal.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, appreciate it, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Appreciate it, bro. Pedro, Jackson, can you wish my big sister Nicole a happy birthday, please? Thank you. And keep up the good work, y'. All. Absolutely. Nicole, happy birthday. Pedro wanted to wish you a happy birthday. Happy, happy birthday.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Actually, say this big head, sis, but happy birthday. Hopefully you're doing something fun, man. All right, so who gave you the toughest matchup on defense? Unc oo. Who's the defender that you said, man, it's going to be a long day. Who gave me the Iggy 481?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Who gave me the toughest matchups on defense? I. I'll probably say. I'll probably give it to run our test because Artest was so physical. Uncle Ocho.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not only him being physical, but he had great hands, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know about y', all, but, like, I done play with cats, and, like, defensively, they just have a knack for, like, you know, getting deflections, touching, touching the ball. You know what I mean? That's how I run our test. Was. So it's like, when you played against him, you knew not to play with him. Go and give him one. Ha ha. And go and get by him. But all that dancing and all that, boy, he gonna be gone the other way with that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And he built like a D lineman, man. Man, Ron, man, Meadow Hugh big.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he huge. Yeah, he can move them feet, too, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And, hey, he played with his body.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So that ph. That physical contact, that's what. Right up his alley.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Tough for him to play like that today, though.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it would. They be calling fouls left and right. They would.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Albert Lewis was the guy that helped me become the player that I became. He was like 6:2. He was long, he was angular, and. And he gave me a lot of different looks. Sometimes he would freeze me, quick jam me. Other times he would feather. Sometimes he's sitting right there. Other times he play off. I mean, he just kept you guessing. So you. You worried about what is he gonna give me this time? Is he gonna quit damage? Is he gonna feather me? Is he gonna. You know, he gonna pray, press? Is it gonna play off? You thinking about all the things that he do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All the while.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I gotta think about what I got to do. I gotta get open. At the end of the day, whatever he does, I still got to get open.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So what he does can't have a bearing on what I got to try to do. Get open. Give John a throw. Yeah.

[Ash]

Shoot. Right. But me, probably out of everybody. Gotta be Reavis. Gotta be Reevis. That 2009 season, he was so patient. He was so strong. As it just seemed that nothing. Nothing was working. You know, from. From a technical standpoint, I was. I was off a lot because I was more thinking and just trying to go. And boy, he get the arm bar and then ride that goddamn hip. He had a. Joe. He had elite ball skills.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Ball skills. As soon as you. As soon as you pass maybe 7 yards and them eyes go back, he looking for that ball. As long as he could feel you. As long as he could feel you with that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ash]

Eyes back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He gonna run you to the. He gonna run your ass out of bounds too. He gonna make the quarterback drop it in the bucket. He ain't gonna give you no. He ain't gonna give you no room to throw it over the top if he gonna throw a perfect pass.

[Ash]

He was the real deal, bro. He was the real deal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's mad at 22:15. Don't ask us how we got WIM number one. How LeBron went to Cleveland or Magic went to LA. The league knows AJ staying in Utah, it was different because the Lakers, The Lakers had the number one overall pick. There was no lottery. Then they changed it because teams were tanking because back to back years, the Houston Rockets, they got Ralph Sampson. And then the next year, they ended up getting Akeem Elijah one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But they said it done with that. So they instituted a lottery. And guess what? The Knicks have been downtrodden. And guess who Get Patrick Ewing in 1985.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Get out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Knicks. And people. And people been saying it's been suspect ever since.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Junior underscore Cool cat Wimby sends my spurs back to the playoffs since 2019. San Antonio, stand up. The Fiesta is back in town. Let's go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They gotta say, you guys got a chance to be good for a while. You absolutely do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Woo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Special.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna have to get out there and see Wimby play when he come to la. Yeah. Brandon Crow. Hey, Nightcap. What's the earliest childhood memory? Do you guys have any stories?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The earliest childhood memory. I just. I remember when I first started playing at the Boys and Girls Club, Thrasher Boys and Girls Club. Uncle Ocho. I was about seven. About seven. That's about the earliest I can remember playing at the Boys Club. My mama was working at the Boys Club, so I was in there in the gym all day trying to think.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you got, Ocho?

[Ash]

Shoot. The early. The earliest I can remember, 1988, playing for Miami Lakes Optimus Pythons. Coach Bud, I was a little kid. I was small. I'm not sure. I can't remember how old I was. I'm not really that good at math.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you level to 12 in 88? Yeah.

[Ash]

No, I was playing before that. Then.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I hope so. Out there with them little.

[Ash]

Hey, I had a little, I had a little. Hey, Joe. Man, I was so little, man. I had a, a big old head. Yeah, them little tiny shoulder pads and helmet. I, I, I never forget, man. I got the, I got the picture. I got the team picture somewhere in, in, in grandma house, man. I got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What, what position you play?

[Ash]

I played nose tackle.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I know y' all got ran through.

[Ash]

Hey, nah. Hey, I was a thumper.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy.

[Ash]

I was a thumper back then. I don't know what happened when I got to the league.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, how you gonna play nose guard at 32 pounds?

[Ash]

No, I would look, but I play nose guard. I don't know. It's funny.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nick Mars says made it to 46. Stay great guys birthday wish with hoping Ocho pay. Don't tell King I say no more. Live, Nick. Appreciate you, man. Happy birthday, bro. 46.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Happy birthday, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all know the song G? Isn't it funny how time slips on the way?

[Ash]

What you do about that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like the Google dog said, I don't want the world to see. Because they might want to understand. Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Taco fall to the Lakers. If that's the move that get the Lakers to beat the Spurs. A body of size down low. Wimby think deep. Nah, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How you go? He can't, he can't guard with me out there on that damn perimeter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Taco could only guard me at 58 with two repair bilateral hips

[Ash]

fall like this to that deep water. Come on out here with your boy now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on. Yeah, he'd be falling. All right, your majesty. Old fleet. I had 13 correct. I'm nervous about Duke in Arkansas, though.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What do you mean he had a 13?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You had 12. I had 11. Ocho had 10. So. He said he's worried about Duke. He worried about somebody beating Duke in Arkansas.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I, I, I can see, dude, that point you need to chill, Ojo.

[Ash]

All right. My bad.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not for real. Don't. Don't even. Don't. Don't start there with that bad juju, bro. Now that's bad juju, bro.

[Ash]

Tell you High Point, they in North Carolina. You know, I told you. Rob.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Rob.

[Ash]

Gonna get y' all boys at work now. Don't say I ain't tell you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We can't be.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's mad at 2215 King ISO Prince UN. A gesture cap a lot. Best prediction for the next start, to join Luca La la land. Once LeBron ties, I got Joker joining MVP Luca.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, we.

[Ash]

How the hell he gonna get out? How the hell he gonna get out to Denver?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't see that happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's just wishful thinking. Uncle just want the Lakers. He want.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he said that. I didn't say that. Oh, that would be nice, but I don't know if we need two slow guys that don't play defense.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they. Not they. I think the Lakers are taking, but I don't think that Denver ain't give, boy. Denver ain't get a plea.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

First of all, the one thing we know about the Lakers, they always gonna have a superstar. They always have. You go back. It started with Will and Jerry West. Well, actually, west and Elgin Bailey was there, but then they traded for Wilt, and then they traded for Kareem.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then they traded for Shaq, and then they had Kobe. It didn't. I mean, that was. That was after the Magic got there. In. In 80. In 79.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then you trade for Shaq, and then you got Kobe, and then you get LeBron, and now you got Luca. So you've had 40 years, maybe a small period of time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

In the last 50 years in which you didn't have a superstar, you go back to Minneapolis, and they had George Mika. So the Lakers. I mean, you're in Hollywood. You got to have star. Ain't no way around it. It's not. Okay. See, you're not in Utah. You gotta have a star in la, because if you don't, they're not coming.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They used to walk in red carpets. They used to live in Malibu. They used to eat on. On patios, on rooftops. They need to be seen. You're not gonna be seen if you suck. Yeah,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

they gonna keep. They always keep them. A star now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Absolutely. I don't know. Hey, thank you. The gifted of Nico, because it's gonna be. It's gonna be tough sledding once LeBron left. But now they got a guy they can keep for another 10 years. Any advice on YouTube may help. Jalen TV frequency. YouTube rewards frequency. But this stuff ain't easy, man. This is work. So if you think you're just gonna set up a microphone and kind of do it when you want to, you're not going to be successful. You got to put time in it. And how successful do you want it to be? It's. It's a lot of D work. I mean, you see Ocho and I enjoy. We come on here, but you don't see. I mean, Ash and her team is constantly working. You see the graphics team, they constantly putting out clips. They constantly editing. They constantly do it. It is a lot of work.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

To do it, to do it properly and to. To put it out, to do two, three shows a week. I mean, look, you can do one show a week. That's what. That's what Club Shay shares. It's, you know, once a week, it's a conversation, and once a week, every Wednesday at noon Eastern, it's coming out. But to do what? We do this five days a week during football season. We're the. You know, we do four days a week. Right now. Now we're five. Because of March Madness.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's a lot of work, bro. And so you got to ask yourself if you want to be great at it, you want to be good at. You got to put time in D, man. What's up, nightcap, fam? Five LeBron or four KDs. Who's winning?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What? Five LeBrons?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If. So you have five LeBrons and five KD. They playing. Five. They playing team basketball. Who winning?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, I'm going LeBron, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm going LeBron. LeBron's a more complete player.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

DeShawn Allen, 9204. What's up, guys? Can you see. Can you see UNC reaching out to Jerry Stackhouse to become the next head coach at unc?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I know. I know. That's. That's my guy, man. Jerry Stackhouse. He with the warriors right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He with the Warriors? Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, UNC alum.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

One of the UNC greats. Might be possible, because you got to have somebody who can connect with these young boys.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Uncle Ocho, I know who they could go get. And somebody that's familiar with unc.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And somebody who they gonna respect.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[Ash]

Tell. Tell Mike. Come on. Come on down there and coach now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Mike who?

[Ash]

Shoot. There's only one Mike, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Mike. Mike. Over there winning. Winning NASCAR races left and right. He ain't studying y'. All.

[Ash]

Yeah, I'm just saying, think about that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mike. Too hard. Hey youy wanna. You wanna.

[Ash]

You. You wanna change the program, Have Mike come coach?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, chill.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mike ain't got the patience. When you that great. You don't got patience.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The greater you are, the less patience you have.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Or you said something then.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because the thing is. Oo, it comes easy to you. I mean, people think it comes easy to you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Because I had a conversation with Magic, and Magic was like, man, sharp I be. They be doing stuff. I'm like, bro, get that. He's like, Magic. That's you. That's you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You expect.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You expect people to pick up things and do things. Like, man, that's so easy.

[Ash]

It was easy to you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's easy to you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bear game 268 Ocho, y' all should invite Uncle ISO. Y' all should invite Ocho to the next game y' all go to just to make him pay for court size tickets. I bet he show up then.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I think. I think if me and Aun just gonna have a good time, send him a couple pictures and videos, that's it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's all we got to do. Get our haircut at. At. At the arena.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, cuz. Cuz, right now, boy. Hey, you an alternative school. You ain't go to school with us no more.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ash]

While y' all at the game, I'm gonna be right at home playing FIFA.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Say, with your in school suspension, with

[ISO Joe Johnson]

your feet kicked up.

[Ash]

Feet kicked up. Playing FIFA either FIFA Battlefield or Call of Duty, one or the other.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I bet I whoop your ass in FIFA too. I'm all right in FIFA, man, come on, Joe, don't.

[Ash]

Dang, Joe. That's all I do. Joe, don't. Don't do that. Don't. Don't disrespect me like that. No, I know we be on here clowning that. But all that. Now you're getting disrespectful, telling me, hey,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

send me your game attack, homie. Just don't. Don't talk me to death. Send me your game attack.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. That's the first time I heard somebody say that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't about to do all this tone, wrestling with this man. Man, just send me a game attack.

[Ash]

Everybody in the world know all I do is play fee for the past 15 years. You not finna beat me at that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man. Say send the game Attack. Why you explaining right? Everybody.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Everybody know you the big capital. That's what everybody know, homie.

[Ash]

Hey, one thing about it, when it comes to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We ain't talking about the one with the shoulder roll with the cane. Hello.

[Ash]

Hey, when it comes to competing.

[Kevin Bacon]

Hello.

[Ash]

When it kind of competing, ain't no cap. You not beat me in FIFA.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, the man said send the game. Attack. Thank you, thank you. Just prime time. First time going to see the Lakers play. And Braun had a triple double and Luca had 60. Crazy. Cause it didn't feel like he had 60 because he was so efficient.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, 18 for 30. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That boy was cooking chicken. He had a cookout and everybody was invited. Yeah. What you want? What you want?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Got him a 60 piece, man. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank each and every one of you joining us for this March Madness edition. Hopefully your but your bracket isn't busted. Too bad. But hey, tomorrow's a different day. Is another day we'll see. It's gonna be real. Hey, after Sunday we'll know a lot more about whose bracket is really looking like, you know, going to throw that thing in the trash.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We are. We already know it, but we're gonna keep it to ourselves for right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right? We do. Y' all know who I am? I'll be favorite up my partner, co host, Liberty City's own, the bingo great, Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the big three joining us, seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks, ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and do us a favor.

[Ash]

Comment.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Chad, thank you so much. Subscribers, your eyes, ears and word of mouth. It's everything and we cannot thank you enough for each. Again, thank you for your support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by La Portier, head over to laportiercognac.com if it's unavailable in a city or state near you. As you can see on your screen there is a premium VSOP cognac. We have the OG bottle which is 750, but now we have the 375 the Junior. The same great quality, same great taste, the same smoothness. Please, please drake responsibly and VC erased a 19 point deficit in the second half to take down the six seated North Carolina Tar Heels in overtime, 82 to 78. Duke survived number 16 Siena. They rallied from 11 down and a half to win 7165. Texas potentially ended AJ Debonza's college career thanks to a 7971 victory over the number six BYU Cougars. The Bonza had 35 points and High Point Studs number five seed Wisconsin 83 to 72 as they move on. Darius Acuff scored 24 points as Arkansas breezes past Hawaii 97 to 78. That's it. I'm up. He's Ocho. That's ISO. We'll see you back tomorrow night. Thanks for joining us guys.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Peace out. Sam.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yep.

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