Nightcap Hour 2: Lakers have NO SHOT without a HEALTHY LeBron + Iso Joe PREDICTS Ja Morant & Ant Man TEAM UP in Minnesota + Jaylen Browns HAIRLINE STRIKES Again

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2

Episode Title: Lakers have NO SHOT without a HEALTHY LeBron + Iso Joe PREDICTS Ja Morant & Ant Man TEAM UP in Minnesota + Jaylen Brown’s HAIRLINE STRIKES Again
Date: November 6, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-hosts: Chad Ochocinco Johnson, Joe (Iso Joe) Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives deep into the latest hot topics in the NBA and NFL, blending basketball analysis, entertaining banter, and a dose of locker room storytelling. Shannon, Ocho, and Iso Joe chop it up about the Lakers’ title chances without LeBron, Ja Morant’s future and attitude in Memphis, and a hilarious roast session on Jaylen Brown’s hairline. Throughout, they debate key NFL moves, speculate on possible NBA trades and team-ups, and roast each other with trademark wit and authenticity.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The Would-Be Breece Hall Chiefs Trade

Discussion Start: 02:53

• The panel discusses rumors about the New York Jets almost trading Breece Hall to the Kansas City Chiefs.
• Ocho imagines a Chiefs backfield with Hall, Kareem Hunt, and Isiah Pacheco, noting “somebody in that backfield would have been going.” (03:15, Chad Ochocinco)
• The group agrees Hall’s “kind of speed… could have changed the dynamic of that offense” (03:18, Chad Ochocinco).
• Shannon raises an important point about not wanting to overpay for a running back rental:

  “…the thing is Ocho, you don't want to have to bring a guy in and you got to pay and he's a rental and I gave [up] a third round pick for a rental. Right? I'm gonna want to sign him.” (05:28, Liberty City Zone/Shannon)

2. The Importance of NFL Kickers – “Games are won and lost on your leg.”

Discussion Start: 10:06

• The Rams sign kicker Harrison Mevis, dubbed “the thicker kicker,” bringing nostalgia and analysis about how critical kickers are for NFL teams.
• “Games are won and lost on your leg. So therefore you have to be damn near perfect if you're a kicker in NFL.”
(10:34, Chad Ochocinco)
• Debate over the game-changing impact of long field goals and the pressure on kickers, with shout-outs to notable legs around the league.

3. Lakers Update: LeBron’s Health & What It Means for LA

Discussion Start: 13:16

• Breaking news: LeBron James out with sciatica; next steps are live 5-on-5 play as he rehabs.
• Joe Johnson gives props to young Lakers (especially Nick Smith Jr. and Austin Reaves, both Arkansas products).
• The core question: Can the Lakers compete without LeBron?
  “If the Lakers plan on going far, you gonna need the king, man…” (14:29, Joe Johnson) “It’s championship or bust.” (17:27, Joe Johnson)
• The group notes improved depth in LeBron’s absence but unanimous agreement the team has “NO SHOT” at real contention without him at full strength.

4. Ja Morant’s Future & Attitude in Memphis

Discussion Start: 25:28

• Ja’s recent suspension and his critical press conference comments are analyzed.
• Joe Johnson on Ja's attitude:

  “You just gotta watch what you say… to whom much is given, much is required.” (26:08, Joe Johnson)

• Shannon likens Ja’s attitude to Kobe’s infamous “fine, you want me to pass, I'll just stand in the corner” game, suggesting a fundamental impasse between player and organization.
• Speculation on Ja’s next move — with Minnesota (pairing with Ant-Man) and Miami emerging as possible fits.

  “I wouldn't mind seeing him playing next to Ant man now.” (36:06, Joe Johnson)

• Extended Miami banter, with Ocho pushing his city as the ideal destination:

  “I think personally, Miami would be a good place for Ja Morant to come to because of the environment, because of Pat Riley and the fact that he rules with the iron fist.” (37:01, Chad Ochocinco)

5. Jaylen Brown’s Hairline and NBA Hair Riffs

Discussion Start: 39:01

• The crew playfully roasts Jaylen Brown’s shifting hairline and rumored hair units.
• Ocho claims:

  “I can grow a full head of hair. The problem is when it comes to having hair, with hair comes maintenance… that costs more money. How do I eliminate expenses? By not having no goddamn hair.” (40:04, Chad Ochocinco)

• Joe Johnson jokes about Atlanta barbers and the creative magic of men’s hair units, leading to a bet that Ocho will show up with a beard unit soon.

6. NBA: Klay Thompson’s Struggles with the Mavericks

Discussion Start: 51:59

• Klay Thompson has been benched, averaging poor shooting percentages.
• Joe Johnson:

  “He looked lost out there. If you ask me, Uncle Ocho.” (53:02, Joe Johnson)

• Shannon speculates he should have taken less and stayed with the Warriors; his skillset no longer fits surrounded by ball-dominant new teammates.

7. Offense vs. Defense: KD & Draymond Debate

Discussion Start: 55:59

• KD claims offense is more important than defense for championships; Draymond disagrees.
• Joe Johnson reconciles that both are essential:

  “When you get in the playoffs, the game slows down and the teams that do have a guy or two who can go get his own… that's very valuable.” (57:01, Joe Johnson)

• Shannon highlights how the Warriors needed KD to counter LeBron:

  “…if I take KD off that 17-18 team… the Warriors beating them? …Bron got… he had two more championships.” (57:34, Liberty City Zone/Shannon)

8. Evolution & Softening of the NFL/NBA

Discussion Start: 60:17

• Extended analogy between the evolution of skills in today's players and the way leagues have legislated out much of the old-school physicality.
• “Because of the physicality in both sports [being] diluted, I think it gives us a false sense. And that’s not to take anything away…but man, physicality boy, you thought long and hard…” (63:24, Liberty City Zone/Shannon)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If the Lakers plan on going far, you gonna need the king, man.” — Joe Johnson [14:29]
• “Games are won and lost on your leg. So therefore you have to be damn near perfect if you are a kicker in NFL.” — Chad Ochocinco [10:34]
• “[Ja Morant] just gotta watch what you say. To whom much is given, much is required.” — Joe Johnson [26:08]
• “I think personally, Miami would be a good place for Ja Morant to come… because Pat Riley rules with the iron fist.” — Chad Ochocinco [37:01]
• “You can't have it all. You want $300 million, a beard, and a head full of hair?” — Liberty City Zone/Shannon [44:54]
• “He looked lost out there. If you ask me, Uncle Ocho.” — Joe Johnson (on Klay Thompson) [53:02]
• “Because of the physicality in both sports…being diluted somewhat, I think it gives us a false sense….but man, physicality…you thought long and hard.” — Liberty City Zone/Shannon [63:24]

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Funniest Segments

• Jaylen Brown’s Hairline Roast:
  An extended bit about the transformations, with Ocho and Joe riffing on hair units, beard units, and Ocho promising to grow his hair out to prove a point. [39:01–45:30]
• NFL Kicker Stories:
  The hosts share war stories about the unique pressure of NFL kickers, referencing big legs like Aubrey and Cam Little, and Ocho jokes he should get signed. [10:06–12:48]
• Locker Room/Weight Room Talk:
  The group debates Ja Morant’s frame and hypothesize if he puts in serious weight room work, and swap stories about pain tolerance and pregame rituals (smelling salts, gum, no mouthpieces). [30:40–34:46]

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Additional Segments

• "Play or Fade" Power Play Picks: [65:08]
  • The trio analyze their Prize Picks for upcoming NFL games, picking over or under on various player stats with friendly arguments.
• Audience Q&A: [68:20]
  • Rapid fire questions on everything from receiver rankings (A.B., Fitzgerald, D-Hop, Evans) [70:56] to coaching philosophies and speculation on college prospects.
• Debate: Is defense or offense the key to a ring? [55:59]

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Timestamps for Important Discussions

• [03:15] — Breece Hall / Chiefs backfield hypotheticals
• [10:34] — NFL kickers, Rams signing Harrison Mevis
• [13:16] — LeBron’s health, Lakers playoff outlook
• [25:28] — Ja Morant’s future, attitude, possible trades
• [39:01] — Jaylen Brown’s hairline and NBA hair banter
• [51:59] — Klay Thompson’s fit in Dallas discussed
• [55:59] — KD/Draymond: Does offense or defense win rings?
• [60:17] — Evolution of the NFL/NBA, changing physicality

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Conclusion

This episode is packed with sharp hoops and NFL analysis, matched by humor, deep player insight, and real talk. For fans eager to know the real, unfiltered perspective of pro athletes—and to hear how today’s NBA/NFL compare to the “old school”—this Nightcap is a can’t-miss.

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Host Sign-Off:
“Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We greatly, greatly appreciate that support. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharpe… That’s Liberty City Zone, Chad Ochocinko Johnson, and the third member of the Big Three… that’s Iso Joe Johnson. See you tomorrow night after the Broncos put that beat down on the Raiders.” [79:51]

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If you missed this Nightcap episode, you missed real ball talk, big laughs, and the kind of locker room locker room honesty only Club Shay Shay delivers.

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[Liberty City Zone]

After the jets dealt Sauce Gardner and Quinny Williams, many assumed the franchise would also deal Breeze Hall. The Chiefs reportedly offered the Jets a fourth round pick for hall, but New York wanted at least a third rounder and turned it down. Ocho, can you imagine what the Chiefs offense would have looked like with Bree hall as his running back?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, Bree hall at running back, you got Kareem Hump, you got Pacheco. I think if, if the Bree hall trade would have went through, somebody in that backfield would have been going. Somebody in that backfield would have been going. But the kind of speed that Bree hall has and being the change the dynamic of that offense, you know, especially with play action, hey, that would have been nice. I know Bree. I know Bree upset. I know he mad than the.

[Liberty City Zone]

You know he was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know he mad. He got. Hey, I can see he. I saw a little, A little post, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Breaking news. Breeze hall caught at the airport and Sauce Garden Locker trying to get out of. Trying to get out of New York. It was so funny. It was so funny.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

But understanding how bad they are right now. Hey, it gotta hurt. It got. It gotta hurt.

[Liberty City Zone]

I'm leaving that team. Hold on. I'm leaving that team. And I know what the Chiefs represent. Yeah, their record is not the greatest, but they still got Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, they still got Travis Kelsey. They still got those weapons and they have Andy Reid anytime I'm surprised they didn't make it. A fourth say, okay, we'll give you fourth, but we'll make it contingent. We win the division or we make the playoffs or something like that. It. It converts into a third. I was surprised that they just said no, but hey, Brett beach is hard to argue against. Him and Andy, what they've been able to do, they seem to always push the right buttons. Remember, they went and got Kareem Hunt, brought him back. Remember Ocho, they brought Nicole Hardman. They brought him back and what did he do? Catch the game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl. So it's hard to argue, Joe, that when the Chiefs do something like you, it's hard to find Fault. But. But hey cuz, Pacheco's gonna be out oo he's gonna probably be out like two, three weeks, maybe a month.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And you know what the fact I think obviously the Kansas City Chiefs, they, they value, they value Bree hall in a sense but don't value him enough for a third.

[Joe Johnson]

They don't.

[Liberty City Zone]

They value pigs more y.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially from a team that knows how to draft and the plug.

[Liberty City Zone]

Where is he? Is he on the final year of his contract? Because you know you brought. Because the thing is Ocho, you don't want to have to bring a guy in and you gotta pay and he's a rental and I gave him a third year, I gave him a third round pick for a rental. Right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna want to sign him. So it'd been interesting to see but I definitely think he could have. Excuse me. I definitely think he could have, he could have helped the Chiefs. Yeah, the running game know but Pacheco's gonna be out. We'll see. What Kareem Hunt. Kareem Hunt is not really a every down back. He's a short yardage. He's a short yardage back. 3rd and 1, 4th and 1. He could catch the ball a little bit. I mean he block a little bit.

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Man Breeze hall would have definitely helped Football fans who miss Sebastian Janakowski have a new guy to watch. Rams announced they've signed kicker Harrison Mavis to their practice squad. Dubbed the thicker kicker, he's 5' 11, 243 pounds. The move comes after Joshua Cardi, Los Angeles regular starter is 10 of 15 on field goals and 23 of 26 on extra points. Oo, what you. What you thinking?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, listen, that's a good thing when it comes down to kicking. Unk, games are won and loss on your leg. So therefore you have to be damn near perfect if you are a kicker in NFL.

[Joe Johnson]

And.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they brought in someone he played with, not xfl. Did I say that right? He's coming from. From somewhere.

[Liberty City Zone]

No. Wasn't he. Is he Mexico? Is he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's.

[Liberty City Zone]

Don't. Don't they sign a couple of players each year from Mexico and put them on the practice squad? Oh, yo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I'm not sure. I mean, Ashley. Ashley would be better suited to answer that one, but I know if I'm not mistaken, the person that they did sign is coming from somewhere where I think he missed one kick all season long. So this is something that they do that they do need because, I mean, you know, the kicking position is very important. Despite that, you only have.

[Liberty City Zone]

Atlanta just cut their second kicker this year. You remember they had Young way co. Yeah, he, he, he, he shank one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

They brought this other guy in. He missed the pat.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they got him.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, they gave him his walking play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't play because it's too important. Huh? It's too. The kicking position is too important, especially when it comes to close games. And games are decided on kicks that you make. So this is tough. They need to bring me in the kick.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that boy Aubrey got a foot on him. Boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, we gotta.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you saw Will. I mean, what's his name? Will. Cam. Will. Will. Cam hit that 68 yarder?

[Liberty City Zone]

Cam Little.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I seen Little.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Yeah, Cam Little. And then Aubrey had a chance to tie it.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, yeah, he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He missed. He missed it though. But he got a leg. But hey, Joe.

[Liberty City Zone]

Oh, yeah. Hey, that thing, that's who I thought would break the record. Oo, I thought, I thought Aubrey, the Dallas kicker. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, because he's indoors and at the end of the half, something like that. You let McCam Little kick the 70 yard in preseason this year for real? Yeah, yeah, Mr. Steven.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But do you know how. Hey, Joe, you know how hard it is to kick 70 and be accurate from that goddamn far? Out you can't get no height on the ball. So you got, you got to kick it straight, be accurate. And then you got to worry about the defensive line jumping up and blocking it because you can't put too much height on it because you won't be able to get it out that goddamn far right.

[Liberty City Zone]

And you got to worry about you missing it. They running it back cuz you ain't got nothing. You got two guys that really make the tackle. Those are the wing guys.

[Joe Johnson]

That's it.

[Liberty City Zone]

And those guys don't make the tackle. Guess what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

House call House.

[Liberty City Zone]

He's undrafted out of Missouri in 2024 Oo. He played in the UFL.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what I meant to say. UFL?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

UFO 5 11, 243. That boy built like a running back, ain't. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Joe. This LeBron James will not be traveling for the team's upcoming five game road trip starting Saturday as he covered as he recovers from sciatica on his right side, according to Shams. Shams also reported that next step for LeBron is in his rehab is 5 on 5 live play, which could, which could come against the G League players or when he returned. When the Los Angeles returned from the road trip on Nov. 16. Lakers personnel are still operating under the belief LeBron would debut will come around mid November. Hey, look, Joe, what you thinking?

[Joe Johnson]

I'm, I, I like what the Lakers been doing. I want to give some, I want to give a shout out to, to my young boy, Nick Smith Jr. Over there, you know, for the lady.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He from the crib. He's from Little Rock. Okay.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, look, look.

[Joe Johnson]

And they got AR over there. Who from Arkansas too.

[Liberty City Zone]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

Them boys getting down over there, man.

[Liberty City Zone]

Kobe, Ozarks.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait a minute.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Austin Reese from where he from?

[Joe Johnson]

Arkansas, New York. That's probably, that's probably like, that's probably an hour and a half from Little Rock. Chill out, Ocho. Listen, like Ocho, we ain't got but a few players in the league, so we, we all got to stick together.

[Liberty City Zone]

You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, Right, right.

[Joe Johnson]

So I root for him.

[Liberty City Zone]

I root for all of them.

[Joe Johnson]

But man, I've been hearing this about that. They don't need LeBron this man, if y' all play, if the Lakers plan on going far, you gonna need the king, man. You gonna need him. It's good that these guys are getting out here and they playing great, but when LeBron gets back on the floor, they're gonna need to keep that same confidence and effort that they have but if they plan on going far, man, they, they. They gonna need LeBron to come in and do something.

[Liberty City Zone]

And plus. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I was going to say, the funny thing is, as well as they're playing now, offensively, with LeBron coming back, he still fits that dynamic. Right. So the floor of the offense still continues.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. No, I was. Go ahead. I'm gonna let you finish up.

[Joe Johnson]

You want them guys to continue to have a confidence that they playing with right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? Like, without LeBron on. With LeBron on the floor. Yeah, maybe it is a little different. Maybe, you know, it's a lot more pressure, but with him not being on the floor, you need. I love the. The confidence that these guys are playing with. They just have to keep it up when he does come back. You know, they can't defer to him too much. You know what I mean?

[Liberty City Zone]

Right. Yeah, I agree. I think the thing is, for me, Joe, is that this helps with the depth, because the problem that the Lakers always had was depth is that what happens when LeBron and Luka's not on the floor or what happens when those guys are off the floor. Now, we can see that now. LeBron or Luca or Austin Reeves will always be on the floor, so they'll always have somebody that can initiate the offense.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Whereas before, you, like, damn, you had to play LeBron Harry of damn near 39, 40 years old, and you got to play in 40 minutes. Guys party. That. That old ain't supposed to be playing those kind of minutes. Right. Luca wearing down. And so now you got Rui, that's playing really well. You got Le. The. The guy they got from Memphis that's playing really well. The other night, remember, they went to Portland.

[Joe Johnson]

What's the. What's his name?

[Liberty City Zone]

Laravia. Laravia.

[Joe Johnson]

And he been balling. You know, it's been going under the radar because AR been playing so great when Luca hadn't been playing. But he's been. He's been amazing for them.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yep. And you get, you mentioned. You mentioned Bryce. Bryce came in and gave him. What did he give him the other night? He gave him six assists.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Bronnie.

[Liberty City Zone]

Brought it. Brought it. Yeah, Bronnie.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Bronnie.

[Liberty City Zone]

So what that does is that it's going to give them confidence that they can, like, we, man, we can do this. We can do this.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Liberty City Zone]

Now, look, you know what, the expectation there. I, I think sometimes, like, when LeBron is not there and, like, Luca wasn't there it's a situation where like, man, ain't nobody expecting anything of us.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

But they know when LeBron is there and they know what the expectations are.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

And it's really that simple.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. It's championship or bust. And that's it for me. When you look at deandre Ayton, he's probably going to benefit the most out of LeBron not playing right now because he's playing at a. At a. At a great level right now.

[Liberty City Zone]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They giving him a lot of lives.

[Liberty City Zone]

A lot of. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Little chippies right there at the rim and he's been playing great. So I think it's only.

[Liberty City Zone]

That's what Luca needed. If you notice, Luke is at his best when he got a law threat.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Liberty City Zone]

When he had Lively, when he had P.J. washington, when he had. What's the other guy name?

[Joe Johnson]

Gaffer.

[Liberty City Zone]

Gaffer?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

You see, they went to the NBA finals once they got PJ Washington and they got Gaffer. He needs a lot of threat as long as he got a live threat because. Because look, he gonna get to the rim. And now when you. You least expect that, he. Man, listen, hey, Deandre A. There's no reason Deandre Aiden shouldn't average 14, 14, 10 and 5 when you.

[Joe Johnson]

Talking about with LeBron or without LeBron?

[Liberty City Zone]

With. With both of those guys. Because he's a lob threat.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

So you got to pay attention to those guys. Look at Zoobox. How many? Look at what Zoobox average last year. And mouth with nothing but lobs and putbacks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, A, they.

[Liberty City Zone]

They ain't run because they're not going to run offense for DeAndre Aiden. Just like they don't run offense for Zubots. Yeah, whatever you get, you get a lob. You get offensive rebound and dunk it back home. That's how you're going to get your points. DeAndre Aiden's gonna get his points the same way. The Same way did DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre Jordan became an all NBA selection with number lobs and putbacks.

[Joe Johnson]

Rim running. Rim running. Yeah, that's it. But I think Aiden, he has a lot more to his game as far as shooting a 15 footer. Shoot. He can shoot the three. They just don't want him to rely on it. You know what I mean? But listen, let me tell you something. When Luca came back, I know he a bad boy, Uncle Ocho, but man, what that boy doing out there is unbelievable, man. I mean, he moving that Luka like, you know, ar ar was playing amazing. Luca came back, boy dropped 40 something.

[Liberty City Zone]

I ain't he. But he get it so easy. Because the problem, the thing is, Joe, that joker, I ain't never seen nobody that can get hot like Luca. Luca can have a 20, 25 point quarter like nothing. You look up, he don't drop four threes. He done got two and ones and he got two, two layups.

[Joe Johnson]

He got this.

[Liberty City Zone]

What the hell? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. He's slow stepping them boys out there. Hey, Ocho. He ain't moving fast, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, it don't. It don't. Look. Hey, Joe. It look like it's in slow motion. But everything he do work, Joe. Everything move work.

[Joe Johnson]

It's angles, bro. It's angles. It's. It's. It's the way he take his angles and his breaks. He can stop on the dime and then hit you with that step back.

[Liberty City Zone]

He just.

[Joe Johnson]

He got. He got a lot in his arsenal, man. It's. It's fun to watch. I ain't gonna lie.

[Liberty City Zone]

The fake. Hey, Joe, he. And then when you don't jump, he poop. Little push shot. Anyway. Hey. And then he gets you up in there, then he jumps into you and then kisses off the glass like, man, just some bull job.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. And he got. He got some range too, because he's shooting two, three feet out beyond the three.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yes. On a step back.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. That's tough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, they playing. They playing right now.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, they playing San Antonio playing Wimby. Luca got 17. 6 and 7.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, he got 20.

[Joe Johnson]

26 and 7. 26 and 7.

[Liberty City Zone]

Damn, Joe. We've been.

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Liberty City Zone]

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[Liberty City Zone]

Latest on Jah and Nightcap. Fans have been dying to know what your thoughts on the situation. What's going on with Ja? They suspended job for conduct detrimental. They played the Lakers. They had a big lead, Arkansas and Luca go crazy in the second half and they rate a 15 point lead. The Lakers end up having at one point, I think a 13, 14 point lead. They ended up winning comfortably. But Ja was, I guess Ja was critical that they asked John why didn't he play. And John was like, ask the coach, blah, blah, blah. And then they asked him something else. He said, well, the coach probably thought it'd be a good. That probably helped them win if I was on the bench. So what are your thoughts about what's going on with Ja in Memphis?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, you. If I could tell Josh, I mean, you just, you gotta watch what you say. You gotta watch your attitude. You gotta watch how you carry yourself, you know? Cause I ain't gonna lie, Uncle Ocho. I'm watching the game in the last seven minutes of the game. I'm like, what is he doing? He just passing the ball, going to the corner. He was very nonchalant and it just looked like he didn't care, you know what I mean? As a guy who ultimately could have been like the face of the league, has a top five signature shoe, like, to whom much is given, man, much is required. You know what I mean? So whatever the. I know they got a new coach in and he's implementing a system that's pretty much taking the ball out of Jai's hands. And I think, I don't really think he, he cared too much for that, you know what I mean? Cause he been rocking with the Rock the whole time, making plays, doing what he do. And now they got this other coach who's like almost similar to like Phil Jackson when he came to Chicago he took the ball out of MJ hand. He gonna run this triangle. It's gonna benefit the whole team. Now, you know, it may take down some of your stats, but collectively as a team, we gonna be better. I think it's kind of similar to that situation. But, man, just watch your attitude, bro. Like. Like everybody's watching Uncle Ocho, you know, look, you can't just.

[Liberty City Zone]

They are.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't just be in your feelings about what Memphis is doing when you got 31 other teams watching and trying to see, okay, do we think JOC can fit in our system? Because. Because, you know, ultimately that's what you're doing, bro. You still trying out for other teams, But I think. I don't know, maybe. Maybe it's time for him to move on, because it don't look like.

[Liberty City Zone]

I think so. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

He need to change the scenery, Joe. I don't know what else you need to see. I don't know what else you need to see, Uncle. I'm not sure what else you need to see. You say he needs to worry about some of the things that he doing. You know, his mannerism, the way he carried himself. He fed up. He tired, Joe. Sometimes you get tired. Where the Memphis Grizzlies going? Where are they going? Do they have a chance? Are they going to win with John? Do they have a chance to compete for an NBA championship while Jaws there? Probably not the chance. Probably not.

[Joe Johnson]

If he play. If he play. If he plays at a level to where we know Jock can play at that mega star level, right? I. I think anything's possible for the Grizzlies, but the. The way he's playing now.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, no, he don't want to be. He pouty don't want to be there. It was something. It was something that was going on. He pouted. It was that situation. What was that. That game seven that Kobe had where he just passed the ball. Oh, y' all think I'm gunning the ball too much? I'mma show you. Go win. And he went and stood in the corner, and that's kind of what Ja did. And. Oh, you say Ja is fed up. They kind of fed up with J. They're not going to have that long leash like they've had in the past.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Liberty City Zone]

I think. I think he really like Taylor Jenkins. Taylor Jenkins let J have the ball. But as you mentioned, Joe, this guy here, and y' all looking at Shay, man, I want to have. I want to pound the ball like Shay. Don't nobody be saying Nothing about Shay. You know, the way the, the warriors play. They play hot potato. The ball don't stick. Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody pounding the ball right.

[Joe Johnson]

It's popping.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, I, I, I told you, I told, you know, there's a good chance, you know, I heard Toronto was keeping an eye on the Josh situation. I talked to Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison. You know, they keep an eye on the situation.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, to get, to get job, to come over here in a, In a more structured and more disciplined environment, I think he'll be happy here down in Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho. Ocho.

[Liberty City Zone]

Go ahead and explain to him.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, with, with all the ballet dancing y' all got going on down there in Miami.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's called.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you talking about adult ballet.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. There we go. And you know, Pat don't play all that, man. Yeah, he run a real tight ship.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, it depends. If you're gonna buy in, it's a good thing. But if you ain't buying in, then it ain't gonna be no good thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, everybody in the NBA, even I know about Pat Riley, you know, but you got to understand, he rules with the iron fist. Do what you need to do in court when it comes to taking care of business, and you can enjoy yourself outside of that. It gives you a chance to relax.

[Liberty City Zone]

Nah, he don't really let you do that. Not Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho. Hey, Ocho. Pet got, he got. He got people all over Miami.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, I know that. I know that.

[Joe Johnson]

He gonna know everything. He gonna know everything you're doing. So when you think you sneaking out and doing this and that. Oh, yeah, yeah. They already know. They already know. They already know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to get. Make my team better, man, so we can come out East.

[Liberty City Zone]

That's all.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, but what I do want to ask you, I want y' all to. When I, When I look at John, I watch him play, I wonder, I wonder how much does he take the weight room serious, you know? Cause with that frame he has and.

[Liberty City Zone]

The way he play above the rim, man, a lot of landing on the floor. I've watched him several times when he played the Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, and I know, I know in football it's mandatory for y' all to lift weights.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

In basketball. Listen, you cannot make it through a 82 game season without being in love with that weight room, bro. You have to be in that weight room. And when I watch him play. He got that thin frame, and he's so. He has so many great attributes that I don't know if he really taking the weight room serious. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know. You know what's funny, Joe? Now that you say that, I think as. As small as he is, as wiry as he is, I think if he did take the weight room seriously, but we don't know if he does or not, but there's only so much weight he can put on because his frame is so small. You don't want to get too big. You don't want to get too bulky.

[Liberty City Zone]

Ocho is about taking those. Those falls. It's about taking that concrete. Look at Steph Curry, and then look at Steph Curry. Now you can see how his body.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Transition. Yeah, the transition over the years. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he got. Steph got some nice cuts. What I'm saying is Ja has that body to where he can be really cut up and lean, and I just don't know, man. I don't know if he take the weight room serious. I think that's probably first off, you know, that's one thing he has to do, man. You got to take care of the body, bro. You got to, because it'll take care of you.

[Liberty City Zone]

And you need some paddock. I mean, I stayed sore because I stayed lean.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

I mean. I mean. Hey, man, hey, you hit me like that there, Joe, and I'm. I'm so. I'm sold for three, four days. I mean, I hurt. I hurt so bad because I was lean. I. I played it like five and a half, six percent body fat.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I played a two percent body fat.

[Liberty City Zone]

That's a.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a gladiator sport, though, with y' all playing, man. Hey, listen, listen. I commend y', all, bro. Like, that's. Look, I never played football, but I. I, you know, I. Man, that's.

[Liberty City Zone]

Oh, you gotta have a little screw loose, Joe. Huh? You gotta have a little screw loose. It ain't for everybody. Yeah, I know everybody.

[Joe Johnson]

You're right. You gotta have a loose screw up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I would cry. I was crazy out there, Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hold up.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Oh, Yo, y' all used to be off them. Y' all used to be off from Advils and. Thousand dollars for the game.

[Liberty City Zone]

Joe. Smelling salt. Smelling salt. I ain't taking no smelling salt right before kickoff, Joe. I took Tylenol. I ain't take. I took Tylenol. I take three Tylenol and I Had.

[Joe Johnson]

They had.

[Liberty City Zone]

In my locker, I had six Tylenol, and then I had. I had three, five packs of Big Red. Yeah. So that the Big Red was my mouthpiece. Chewing gum was my mouthpiece. Because I didn't play with a mouthpiece, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you did.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, I ain't got time to take no mouthpiece out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you know. You know, I had a mouthful of goals. I had a mouthful of goals, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't playing with no mouthpiece because I need to be able to talk. I need to be able to talk, and I want to make sure you hear me. But before the game, Joe, I take the smelling salt, right? I open the pack, put the smell of salt on my hand. Right here.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Put it. Putting a little line, and I smell it. Salt, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Before the game. Hey, Joe, I was crazy, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

What's the little thing that they break and then you.

[Liberty City Zone]

That's a capsule. That's smelling salt. Capsule.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's a smelling salt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I used to open mine. Why you open the whole capsule and put it. And put it on my hand, you know, like it, like it. Like it was that stuff. Yeah. Hey, Joe. I'm telling you what I used to do, Joe, to get myself ready for the game to get.

[Liberty City Zone]

Huh? It is.

[Joe Johnson]

That stuff is. Listen, they used to put it in a cup. They used to break it, put it in a cup and. Yeah, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

They got, they got the capsule. They got the, the, the, the, the. The. The sticks. Now, Ocho, that's a stick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sticks.

[Joe Johnson]

And you bring.

[Liberty City Zone]

You just pop the top off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

And put it back on. Yeah. But, hey, that stuff make you. Hey, you get it too much, you know, make your ass pass out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, I. I needed that before the game, Joe. I need. I need to be wired.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, we had a guy that did. He. He saw everybody else doing it on show, and Joe. So. Hey, man, let me get some of that. And you know, you supposed to just like, like that that joker.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, boy.

[Liberty City Zone]

Listen, roll back in the air.

[Joe Johnson]

That stuff ain't nothing to play with, boy.

[Liberty City Zone]

Nah, hell, no. But I think it's gonna come to an end. Joe, I'm gonna be honest with you. I think I. I think Joe John's time in Memphis is going to come to an end.

[Joe Johnson]

I do, too.

[Liberty City Zone]

And I think it's going to be sooner than later.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I agree. And I.

[Liberty City Zone]

And. But where, though?

[Joe Johnson]

If we had to take a few.

[Liberty City Zone]

Guesses.

[Joe Johnson]

Where y' all think he gonna.

[Liberty City Zone]

The Kings need a point guard. They just gave up Dearon Fox. No, they need a point guard.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You want him down in Sacramento. Come on, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Go over there with Schroeder and, and Westbrook. Obviously you gonna have to trade one up. Now. I don't. I don't want to see him over there.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, but. And you got DeRozan and you got Lavine over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I don't want to see him now. I, I do. Like I. Hey, now listen. I wouldn't mind seeing him playing next to Ant man now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, boy, you. Hey, Joe, you cooking?

[Liberty City Zone]

Joe ain't going back. Conley don't want to go back to Memphis.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, you cooking.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't about what he want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, don't go ahead and cook, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, look, if, if, if Minnesota could pull that off because in the playoffs, you know, Ant man kind of wore down. He need another guy who can take charge, take he does of a game. Yeah, I think that'll be a decent fit. I don't mind seeing him in Miami, but you know, know, it's just a lot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, Joe, you cooking tonight?

[Liberty City Zone]

Joe, it's just.

[Joe Johnson]

It's just a lot. Come with it.

[Liberty City Zone]

Oo, and you see, you see. Go Bear. Gober ain't did nothing since he played the Lakers in the playoffs last year. Had 27 and 20 and they had 27A. Had 27 points since then in all the games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Miami Heat organization, all the powers that be are probably going to see this. They. They watch the show.

[Liberty City Zone]

They. They are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They are friends of the show. They let me know when I went to the NBA YoungBoy concert which was held with the Heat play in their arena. Everyone told me to tell you, hello, Unk. I'm just bringing that up because now we talk about the Miami Heat. So now, you know the officials that work there, I know they do see this show. So therefore, you heard what Joe said. I think personally, Miami would be a good place for John Morant to come to because of the environment, because of Pat Riley and the fact that he rules with the iron fist. It would be a good fit for him. Because you already know when you come here, we don't play no games. I'm gonna make sure. I'm gonna make sure J is good outside of that. That structured environment of the NBA. He going to be a great representation for the NBA shield. And, and, and being here in Miami, he gonna be all right because he's in good hands with me. What do I like to do, Joe? What do I like to do? What's one thing I never do. I never put myself 50, huh?

[Liberty City Zone]

Y' all 25.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think I can hold on to? Stay with me real quick. You think Jock come to Miami? I can't get job to sit nine hours a day with me smoking a cigar.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Playing a video game all day, eight, nine hours a day.

[Joe Johnson]

We don't need him sitting, smoking no cigar, playing video games all day. I'm saying I really want to see him in the Eastern Conference because I just feel like the west so thick. I think he.

[Liberty City Zone]

If.

[Joe Johnson]

If he goes to the east, it'll kind of balance things out. Because right now, when you look in the Eastern Conference, I ain't looking at nobody but New York and. And Cleveland, probably, who gonna come out of the East. I agree. So you send. You send them over there in the Eastern Conference to Miami. I think they got a fighting chance.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You cooking tonight, boy. You might.

[Liberty City Zone]

The west loaded.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, what's your cash at? Let me see your goddamn money, boy. Hey, you my dog tonight.

[Joe Johnson]

How much? You said 200.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I see you 200.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, all right, all right. I'm shooting to you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I see you 200.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna shoot it to you.

[Liberty City Zone]

O. Joe. Joe. Jalen Brown strikes again. He had. He had that Beijing on, and it got over rookies. Keyshawn George tonight. Can you see it? Can you see it on your.

[Joe Johnson]

I can see it.

[Liberty City Zone]

Scroll up. But guess what he. Look at there. I'm trying to figure out what happened to that man hair. He. He had twists at one point. What happened?

[Joe Johnson]

That man had a high top fade, twist.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, hold on.

[Liberty City Zone]

So that was a man unit. That wasn't even his.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was just getting ready to say that. Maybe it was. Maybe it was a unit.

[Joe Johnson]

There was no unit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't think so?

[Joe Johnson]

No way.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yo, Ain't no way you lose all your hair in a fast two years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's two. Yeah. Two years. That's impossible.

[Liberty City Zone]

Joe. You remember he had a hot top, and then he had twist. He had knots. Hey, look, look.

[Joe Johnson]

It's just like God cut Ocho hair. God cut his hair.

[Liberty City Zone]

But it was a gradual process, Joe. Not over two years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, you talk about. You talking about me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. God cut your hair.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't understand. I can. I can grow a full. A full head of hair.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, no, you can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I showed Unc before. I grew up to be on the show.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, you ain't show Unc. Not gonna lie. You ain't gonna get me. Send me have me send my soul to hell lying for you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. No, no, Joe. Hey, Joe, listen. Joe, stay with me real quick. Joe, I can grow a full head of hair. The problem is when it comes to having hair, with hair comes maintenance. With maintenance comes having to buy supplies to support said maintenance. What does that do? That costs more money. How do I eliminate expenses by not having no goddamn hair.

[Liberty City Zone]

The hair on his head is just like the hair on his face. That thing's splotchy here. You got a patch over there. He looked like Patch the Pony.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm. I'm telling you, Unc, they're. There are many pictures of me with a head. With a full head of hair.

[Liberty City Zone]

You ain't Ocho. I can see look on the side. Yeah, your hair grow, but on the thing. That thing smooth and shiny at the top, which means ain't no hair growing there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you acting like I'm Caucasian.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, no, that thing got a shade. That thing got shade. Don't know grass going up in the shade.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'mma show you. I'mma grow it out. I'mma grow it out.

[Liberty City Zone]

But I need you all to tell me how JB did this. How did he go from that? He had. That joker had the kid. He had the kid hot. He did.

[Joe Johnson]

He did.

[Sponsor Announcer]

I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't know, but I'm. I'm gonna start blaming his barber, too, for putting his dry eraser stuff on his head when you know he got to go out there and play, man.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, yeah, see, you got to get that. What you call. You got to have that rinse so you can't put that spray on there because you start sweating. You see, the more Baptist. The Baptist ministers, the Pentecostal minerals, they get up there, that thing be coming down, all this started dripping.

[Sponsor Announcer]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, you got a problem? They come up. Hey, how you doing, brother? Sharp. Hey, give me the pound. But JB, come on, JB, hey, you gotta let that go, JB. Yeah, because one night he had called LeBron to my LeBron. How I do look, hey, LeBron said I can. Hey, hey. You see LeBron to let his go. LeBron said, you know what? I fought it long as I could. I fought it till I was 40. I'm at peace with it now. Yeah, yeah, but hell, JB in his 20s.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he probably in his 20s. He late, man. Man, I know some dudes when I was in high school who had went ball headed. So it don't matter because he in his 20s now.

[Liberty City Zone]

It do matter, because, Joe, you got a 300 million dollar contract. You got everything. You can get everything you want. Except here, you better go to turkey. You know, you go to Turkey and they only charge like seven dollar a follicle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know, it's funny, everybody keep going down to Turkey to get their head done. But how come nobody in the U. S understands what they're doing in Turkey and brings it here? So we ain't got to take that long.

[Liberty City Zone]

They can do it. But Joe ocho, they charge seven dollar follicle and, and USA charged 10, 15, 20 a follicle.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Liberty City Zone]

So you know how many follicles they got? You got to pull out the back of your head to get that to grow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do you know what the procedure is called?

[Joe Johnson]

And is it painful?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. Cause they do, they do give you some numbing medicine because they gotta pluck it out. You know they numb the scalp a little bit, Joe. Right, but you, hey, they plucking it out at the back and putting it.

[Joe Johnson]

In there, man, look, I'm good, but.

[Liberty City Zone]

You know, if you know anything about hair, this hair is different than the hair in the back of your head.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's why, that's why it looks different, man, listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know what I want?

[Liberty City Zone]

Girl cup. See, Ocho got that beachy back here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, come to the front and beat.

[Ad Read Announcer]

You to the back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, this, see, this is what we're not gonna do. We, we're not gonna make assumptions about my hair texture when I got, I got good head in my family. I got. Look at, look at my kid. Hold on, this is how you know I got good.

[Liberty City Zone]

Look at their mama.

[Joe Johnson]

Because they mamas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they who?

[Liberty City Zone]

They mama.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, no, they mama's got good hair because of me. No, I don't, I don't. Huh?

[Liberty City Zone]

I don't sound right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm just saying, Joe, my kids long, luscious, beautiful black hair.

[Liberty City Zone]

You know that ain't you? You don't got no long, beautiful, luscious hair. My daughter got long hair. Ain't got nothing to do with me. Her mom got long. Her mom hair longer than hairs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, no, my, my, my. Everyone I have kids from. They bald headed.

[Liberty City Zone]

So again you bald headed. No, see you got, See you had. I remember when you was younger you had police hair rolling up and park anyway on your head.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hell no. Hey, I'm feeling good, but I can't.

[Liberty City Zone]

But I'm, I'm just saying at that point, at that point. And the thing is, he looking at it like, man, I got a full ass Beard. A full beard and up my head. Ball is calling.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, it happened like that sometimes, man. You can't. You can't have it all, right?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, JB, you can have it all. You want to have $300 million? You want a beard? You want a head full of hair?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't. Hey, you know what? I want to try. Hey, Uncle Joe, What I want. I want a beard. Like a. Like a lace front beard and a full beard.

[Joe Johnson]

You're gonna go get that unit.

[Liberty City Zone]

They do that for you. They put.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know how. You know how in Philly? You know, the. The beard in Philly is like a staple. A staple of a. Yeah, I won't. I want a full beer. That. That'd be.

[Joe Johnson]

It's cats out here really getting that unit put on their face, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Swear to God.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

You get that little man unit to put. To get your whole little.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, but it.

[Sponsor Announcer]

But.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I'm talking about the kind of look real, Joe. I ain't talking about no. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, man, I've been watching. They be putting. They be putting dreads that look real.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, I gotta do that for a show, huh? Tell me where to go, Joe.

[Liberty City Zone]

Do what for a show?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like get the. Get the. Get the unit with some dreads.

[Liberty City Zone]

I gotta. I gotta.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I got a guy down here who can get.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, you break your ass out here looking like Predator if you want to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, come on. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Where you at, Joe?

[Total Wireless Announcer]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

He here in Atlanta. I got a guy for you. I got a guy who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, Joe, I'm serious. I'm gonna come on the show with the whole look. Hey, looking like. Looking like a little.

[Liberty City Zone]

Just get the beard, Ocho. You don't need the dreads.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I'm gonna do the beard. I'm gonna do the beard. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe. Hey, hit your boy. Tell me. Let me know how much you know that. Hey, did you know the flight to Atlanta? It's 45 minutes, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, I'm gonna hit him for you. I'm have something.

[Liberty City Zone]

Oh, yo, don't go to that ladder. But you don't. Hey, you won't be in that four hour line going through tsa.

[Joe Johnson]

You see that?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, I saw it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What happened to tsa?

[Liberty City Zone]

God, if they ain't getting paid.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, hold on. Oh, so they just say, forget coming to work.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How long the government gonna be like this? Huh? What you think?

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, somebody gotta give.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, will they get back pay for the time that's missed?

[Liberty City Zone]

No, they're supposed to, but probably not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, this, this might be an opportunity for them. Like, hey, we're gonna go ahead and lay y' all off. Go ahead and lay y' all off. If you're trying to trim the government, what better way.

[Joe Johnson]

They gonna. Hey, look, they gonna have them robots in there working in a minute.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, that's, that's tough, man. That's tough. I feel for people that actually have government jobs and they're having to deal with the issues of it being shut down right now. And see this, these are times like.

[Liberty City Zone]

That needle snap and knee wick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, does the president have power to over oversee and overrule whatever it is that's going on?

[Liberty City Zone]

All I know is, is that President Trump said when President Obama had a lockdown that it's on the president. He got both houses, he got Senate and he got the House and he got the Supreme Court. And as a Republican president, right? So I don't know whatever you all want to say. All I know is that we've had the longest shutdown in government history on his watch.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How long you've been shut down? Huh? How long we've been shut down?

[Liberty City Zone]

What? Damn near like 30, almost 30 days.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, we've been shut down the whole month. Hey, Joe, See, this why they. This why you need people like me as president. This why you need people like me in positions of power to make some of the calls. Now, you might, you might not like the jokes, you might like not, you might not like the entertainment. But when it comes to making sure the people are good, that's why I come into play. That's why I come into play. The American people would not have to suffer, you hear me?

[Liberty City Zone]

10 years ago. Oh, you know what I remember 15, 20 years ago, that was seen far fetched. That ain't far fetched anymore. Anybody. You don't really have to have qualifications to be the qualified office.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm qualified. It's one. It's one. Hey, Joe, I can switch it up.

[Liberty City Zone]

Like, you don't have to be. That's the point. That's my point.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Liberty City Zone]

It. It, you. It used to be that like, okay, you ran at some local level, you ran, you know, you ran at a state level, you ran at some level. Now you got a name, you can be it.

[Joe Johnson]

You just need somebody to back you.

[Liberty City Zone]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor. Clint Eastwood, Jesse Ventura, Al Franken. There have been a lot of people just that that got into politics. Just don't name the President of the United States. He never held Public office before at no level. So it's not as far fetched. I know, I know you, I, I think you're saying it tongue in cheek, but in actuality it's not as far fetched as one would think.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. As long as you got the right backing, somebody backing you, that's it.

[Liberty City Zone]

Now you got, you gonna be bought and paid for. You do realize that, right? You don't run, you don't make no decisions.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh well, listen, when it comes to the world and how the powers that be work, I know the people that we can visibly see, I know they don't make the calls. I know they don't pull the strings. I know the people that pull the strings. I'm not going to talk about it, but I know how it works. I understand that. All jokes aside, I know who really, who really hits.

[Liberty City Zone]

Day 36. We've been shut down. The government. Well, we, the government, The American government has been shut down for 36 days.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We, we all, we all shut down.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, but look, I mean, look, and I think the thing is people are fighting for these benefits, the SNAP programs and, and to try to keep the cost of, of, of health care down. Because you got to realize before aca, they call it Obamacare, it's American health care situation. You do realize companies could kick you off if you had a pre existing condition. You got asthma. Now we're not going to insure you. Oh, you've had cancer before. We're not going to insure you now. They can't do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, you won't have none of these problems with me in office. You won't have none of these problems with me in office. I'm, I mean, I'm here for the American people.

[Liberty City Zone]

Huh? Everybody say they put American people till they get in office.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, is there anything, is there anything I've ever said, if that ever said and then follow through with it? Think about it.

[Liberty City Zone]

You can't, Ocho, you can't. Because you can't get in there without the backing of that money.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I know people. Huh? Can I tell you the people I know that had the money?

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Can I speak real quick, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Sure, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, I, I have a very, a very strong existence down there in Mexico. Right? You know, you know brother Carlos Slim.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Very good friend of mine.

[Liberty City Zone]

You need to know Elon Musk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on.

[Liberty City Zone]

You need to know. You need to go Larry Ellison. You ain't, you need to know Zuckerberg.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't let me.

[Liberty City Zone]

That's who you need to know. You need to know Peter Thiel. That's who you need to know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you ain't even let me finish.

[Liberty City Zone]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got heavy hitters in my roller deck just like that. Maybe not to that magnitude, but I'm talking about with the. With the bees on the end.

[Liberty City Zone]

Huh? You need. No, no, no, no, no. You do realize. You know how much Elon Musk is worth?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I know like 500 billion.

[Joe Johnson]

Billion.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. Okay. You know how much. You know how much Larry Ellis is worth?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Larry. That's my homeboy, Larry Ellison.

[Liberty City Zone]

Zuckerberg. Yeah. So you got to get in people with that Ocho now, their agenda. They won't. Deregulations, right? They won't. They want a system of no checks and balances.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Talk to me.

[Liberty City Zone]

Okay, Larry, we ain't gonna talk. We gonna move on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We don't want to make a political show.

[Liberty City Zone]

Klay Thompson has been benched by the Mavs. D' Angelo Russell moved in the kids starting lineup. Didn't matter. The mouth. The Mavs lost to a Zionist pelicans tonight. Clay has been struggling. He entered tonight shooting 31.8% from the field and 26% from the three this season while averaging eight points a night. He. He scored 11 points tonight. The Mavs are now two and six. Luca is averaging more points than Cooper Flagg, Anthony Davis combined this season.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, it's hard when you got a rookie out there playing point guard.

[Liberty City Zone]

He ain't no point guard.

[Joe Johnson]

I know. That's what I'm trying to say. You got a rookie out here playing point guard who is not a point guard. And Clay needs guys around him who can playmate for him. You know, he's not a guy now that you can just throw him the ball and be like, man, go get.

[Liberty City Zone]

A no and go one on one. That's not what he is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

So when you got. You got him surrounded by. By guys who really trying to ISO and get to the cup and they trying to get their own. If you just want to be. If you just want me to keep it. 100.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And he's kind of. He's.

[Liberty City Zone]

He looked.

[Joe Johnson]

He looked lost out there. If you ask me, Uncle Ocho.

[Liberty City Zone]

He does. Because look at who. Who can get in the ball. P.J. washington. That's not his role. Gafford. That's not his role. Lively. That's not his role. Cooper Flag ain't no point guard. He tried to get his own. The only guy really that could get in the ball, he was on the bench. And that's d' Angelo Russell. Now Russell's on the court, and now he's on the bench. So what he should have done, and I understand, he should have took his ass to LA and had an opportunity to play with LeBron that can find a shooter in the corner that's going to get you excellent shots. Right, right.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I just think with the unfortunates of, you know, Kyrie not being there, you know, it's. It's. It's obviously made his job a lot harder. He doesn't get the looks that he normally get because Kyrie can play make not only for himself, but around him. And man. Yeah. Like, he. He just. He. He doesn't. He looks lost out there. When I, When I watch him play, I just see a lot of guys trying to get to the cup, going one on one. It's not. It's not really a system for him.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, it's not. And I. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Was it pride? I don't know if, If. If Golden State, what they offered, but he'd have been better staying in Golden State, taking less money.

[Joe Johnson]

They weren't gonna keep him in Golden State.

[Liberty City Zone]

Not. Not at the money that he wanted. No. Right.

[Joe Johnson]

So that's an insult to him that he's. The fact that he done won, what, four championships.

[Liberty City Zone]

Four championships.

[Joe Johnson]

He, man, he like. Hold on. He felt like they probably owed him some back pay. And the fact that they ain't want to pay him, he probably thinking.

[Liberty City Zone]

But you do really realize there was two years he didn't do no play because remember, he tore his acl and then he tore. He tore his Achilles. And they still kept them 30 million dollar checks coming, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, hey, because you got to.

[Liberty City Zone]

Realize that Steph, Steph. Now they owe Steph because they got step on the cheek because his ankles were so bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

So they. They owe Steph. Steph should be able to play till he farted and say, you know what? I ain't what I once was, but y' all owe me because there were times I was lighting it up and y' all paying me chicken feed. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, they. They. They done made up for it though, huh?

[Liberty City Zone]

No, hell no. Not with Steph. Man. Look here. That's the most expensive franchise in the NBA, right? $11 billion. They owe Steph a billion. They won't step a billion. Joe Laker and Peter Gruber, they owe stuff a billion dollars. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

From what he's done for that franchise.

[Liberty City Zone]

Absolutely. Yeah. Because they were out Look, Golden State did have a couple of years. They upset. Who they upset? Was it the Mavericks? The ac? They upset the Mavericks.

[Joe Johnson]

Uhhuh. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

But for the most part, ain't nobody Steph Curry really put them. Look, when they had run tmc, when they had Mitch Richmond and Hardaway and.

[Joe Johnson]

And Mullen.

[Liberty City Zone]

Chris Mullen, Chris Mullen, good. But them guys had retired 20 years ago.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, longer than that.

[Liberty City Zone]

Stephen, Steph and Clay and Draymond. So Draymond responded to Kevin Durant recent comments saying that offense, not defense, is the key to winning championships. Kd, who's two finals MVP alongside agreeing with the warriors, recently claimed that elite offense is more important than team success. More important to team success. Excuse me. But Draymond pushed back saying if anything, it was like a head scratcher. I was like, huh? But on the flip side, it wasn't that much of a head scratcher because I know, Kevin, I think when you look at any team that has won a championship, they had great defense. And if you look at most teams that couldn't quite get over the hump, oftentimes it was because they couldn't get stops. Those who don't believe defense is valuable, if it's simply they don't win. I don't think anyone ever really been hell bent on carrying an opinion about those that don't win because of your opinion equals zero.

[Joe Johnson]

I think, look, both could be true to an extent, because when you get in the playoffs, the game slows down and the teams that do have a guy or two who can go get his own, who can go get a bucket, that's valuable, that's very valuable.

[Liberty City Zone]

Also.

[Joe Johnson]

I understand what Draymond's saying. Yeah, you got to be able to get stops, you got to be able to guard your yard. You gotta. You gotta be able to play defense where you. Where you don't have to give as much help. You know what I mean?

[Liberty City Zone]

So let me ask you a question. If I take Katie off that 1718 team, the warriors, so there's no KD, it's Steph, Clay and Draymond and it's Kyrie, LeBron and that staff. The warriors beating them.

[Joe Johnson]

Brian got. He had two more championships.

[Liberty City Zone]

Thank you. Yeah, they remember in both game threes what Kevin Durant did. It was Kevin Durant that hit the shots. Both games that was heard around the world. He was the guy that could. He couldn't stop LeBron, but he could match LeBron point for point. Right now Steph could go point for point with Kyrie. Now Clay, they really didn't have anybody that can match up with Clay, because that was the difference. Yeah, you weren't stopping LeBron. Look at LeBron. He averaged a 30 point triple double KD. KD was going. KD was the guy that. When I needed a bucket, KD. Okay, 1, 4 KD, go get your stuff. Go get what you need.

[Joe Johnson]

Because guess what, Uncle Ocho, you couldn't double team him.

[Liberty City Zone]

You couldn't double team kd, not with Steph.

[Joe Johnson]

Not with Steph and Clay out there. You cannot double team. So you have to live with the one on ones and you have to.

[Liberty City Zone]

Live with the results.

[Joe Johnson]

You got to hope that man missed. And he was unbelievable in them two finals runs, bro.

[Liberty City Zone]

He get that ball at the nail, you you cooked.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a rap.

[Liberty City Zone]

You just gotta hope he missed because you got. Because you got Clay in one side, you got Steph on the other. Now what you gonna do? Where you gonna bring the double team from?

[Joe Johnson]

You can't. That's why he was Finals MVP two years in a row. Yes.

[Liberty City Zone]

You can't. You. If he post up, he could put. He could play with his back to the basket. He was the only guy, he could get his shot. Nah, look, I believe you. Look, I believe Draymond. Yes, you need defense. Yes. But in basketball, you got that dog. You got a guy that sometimes you don't think they try to play defense on Mike. You don't think they try to play defense on Kobe and shaq. Shaq averaging 36 and 18. What defense? You got to stop that. What you throw at him.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, and Kobe was right there with him averaging 30. Yeah, than 36. Kobe was averaging 30. I'm talking about in the playoff runs that they was having. Man, that was just Mike.

[Liberty City Zone]

Mike averaging 41 in the finals. What you gonna do with that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, and the funny thing, too, the. The way the game has changed, especially basketball, where you play defense. Defense is not the same as it was back in the day anyway. No, I mean, I always. I always hear the chirps and I always hear the grumblings about they don't play defense these days. And so is it really. Is. Is defense really that much of a factor when it comes to winning NBA championships?

[Liberty City Zone]

They jacking up a whole bunch of damn shots.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, look, it's almost like. It's like the NFL, they done softened the game and made it. Made it possible for, you know, the quarterbacks.

[Liberty City Zone]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

It's the same thing in the NBA. Like, you can't hand check no more, you know, What? I mean, like so many different variables to, to enhance the game and make it.

[Liberty City Zone]

It is. You know what's happened, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

What has happened? These guys are skilled. So skilled. Yes. And the game has been taking, you know, the, the physicality. So now it looks like, man, this guy better than Jerry Rice, this guy better than Randy Moss, this guy better than to. Well, they've taken the physicality out of the game. And, and these guys are skilled. Yeah, guys, I mean, guys are skilled. I mean, you know this thing called evolution.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

You know, guys get better at things. They, they, they study the old guys and they add to what those guys could do. So now you take a Devonte Adams that can run rock exquisitely without the physicality. He ain't got to worry about nobody putting that soup bone upside his head. Hey, Ocho, think about last week. How many one hand catches you saw last week? I saw more one handed catches in the first three, four weeks of the season than I was seeing a whole year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

In the NFL.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you had to think, you had to think twice, okay, go up there. Joe, you had to think twice during our day about going across that middle. Forget one hand. Just having an understanding of where everybody's coming from before the snap of the ball. So you knew exactly where it was coming from. Joe, I'm telling you, as, as reckless as I played, without a care in the world, I understood where everybody was coming from, Joe. I had to know because they would, they, they already trying to knock my head off because I talk before the game, throughout the week, right. I talk during the game, Joe. I got to know everything. Joe, were they doing that there today? In today's game? And the way the NFL has handicapped the game where it's, it's unbelievable, some of the plays some of the players are making without, without caring, without, without.

[Liberty City Zone]

Worry, without consequences and repercussions, with none. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, when I, when I first came into the league, Uncle Ocho, it. There wasn't no fives and fours shooting threes. It wasn't no. Antoine Walker was the only guy and he was a power four. He was the only guy shooting threes. Now if you can't shoot the three or catch a lot, you can't even play.

[Liberty City Zone]

You can't. Nope.

[Joe Johnson]

There's no post up. You, you don't see many guys post up now. Now the guys who post up, they're small, they're the guards. You know what I mean? From like you, you know, when I used to watch guys before I got in the NBA. I used to love watching, obviously Michael Jordan, Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady and those guys post up like your scores post up.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they not throwing it down there to DeAndre eight, no, 10, 12, 15 times a game. It's just not gonna happen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? So if you can't shoot or catch a lot now in today's game, it's gonna be hard for you to play, brother.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. So I think that that's what's happening is that. And, and these guys are extremely, extremely talented. But because of the feeling, physicality in both sports has been diluted somewhat. I think it gives us a false sense. And that's not to take anything away from these guys because I do think they're extremely talented. But man, physicality, boy, you a. You thought long and hard. You had a. There are a lot of a. There are a lot of prehistoric receivers. Had the T. Rex arms.

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't want that.

[Liberty City Zone]

Hell no. Boy, you go across the middle with Mike Singletary and next thing you know, you looking at the ear. You looking at your ear hole because they. I remember the first time I, I was retired and I thought I saw a three step slant route and I was like, I know that guy just ain't run no three step slant route, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[Liberty City Zone]

Back in the 90s, the 80s, the 90s, you'd ran that one time, I guarantee you they couldn't have paid you enough money to run it again. Listen, listen, they put that, they put that helmet right here.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho, my rookie year, I played against Stockton and Malone. Ocho, I'm gonna take. I seen, I seen Malone coming down the middle of the lane. I was right up under the goal. Take a charge. I o. Laid that joint. I let him lay it up. I let him. The man came in there with his knees almost at my face. I said, look, coach took me right out the game. He said, hey, you gotta take that job. I'm like, man, no I don't. I ain't gonna say standing in front of Noah.

[Liberty City Zone]

All right, Ocho, Joe, it's time to play Fade. Play or fade. Presented by prize picks. All right, here's the three pick power play ahead of Thursday Night Football. Joe Oo. Bo Nicks will throw for more than 218 yards. Who they playing? The. The Raiders.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

We have to do. We have to deal with Max Cross because he go, he gonna be an issue.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What they playing?

[Liberty City Zone]

I'm gonna take y' all word for it.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, what they playing at. They playing in, in Denver. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. That's your quarterback? And you taking that word for you don't believe in him no more?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, I believe in him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

It sound like you had some doubt over there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, sound. Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

J.K. dobbins. More than 72 yards rushing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know about that one. That's on you, huh?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, I'm. I'm a little ler about that, Russ. 71. 71.

[Joe Johnson]

How you been playing, huh?

[Liberty City Zone]

Oh, he been playing good. Oh, he been balling. Oh, he, he. I think he topped 10 in Russia.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that man has. I. I got him. I got him at 72. He'll get y' all 72.

[Liberty City Zone]

Reggie do got a good run defense, though, I think. What Raiders rank red defense. Ash.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, uncle O. Joe.

[Liberty City Zone]

15Th, 16. So they middle of the pack.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Middle of the pack.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. We get 72. We should get 72.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's all we need. Come on.

[Liberty City Zone]

Okay. Gino. Less than 213 yards passing, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They let Jacoby go too, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know if Gino gonna get there.

[Liberty City Zone]

They got Brock Bowers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You still got Brock Bowers?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. I'm gonna say no. He gonna get. He gonna. No, he going over that. You think so? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. This, this. I got caught up last week.

[Liberty City Zone]

The other day, we. We might get him though. If we can put pressure on it, we might get it. We might sack it about 10 times. But second, about 10 times, though. You know what? I'm gonna go less. I'm gonna go less. We're gonna sack it. We're gonna sack it. We're gonna get his ass. Hey, man, so we going. We going.

[Joe Johnson]

He said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Okay. We're going more and more or less.

[Joe Johnson]

I sure hope he ain't watching.

[Liberty City Zone]

25 to win 150. Download the app today. Use Coach Shannon to get 50 in lineups. After you play your first five dollar lineup, it's good to be right. All right, we're gonna get you out of here on this one time final segment of the evening. It's time to say Q and A. Oo. You can't say foot or ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, why? I mean, it's a new week. I mean, obviously you can't say.

[Liberty City Zone]

You can't say that until you win.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. You can't say foot the ball after a 24 hour period. That goes the window.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, you can't say foot or ball until you win another game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Life resets.

[Liberty City Zone]

No it don't. Hannah said Jaylen is three for three from the hairline. All cardi say oh. Either the camera's playing trick or that intermittent fast it kicked it real. I watched yesterday's show and tuned in today. Like, hold up. What happened?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, what y' all mind?

[Liberty City Zone]

I did only eat once today, though. Bad. But I don't think that it'll be faster. I'm gonna start. I got. I think I will start. I will start next week. Synergy Energy. How do you feel about Nick's opinion from the first? From the first. First things first. What he had to say about the Broncos. What he say? What he the Broncos aren't real. Oh, yeah. You got to realize Nick's from Kansas City. He's a. He's a Kansas City. And it's a great time to be. To be a fan of Kansas City. But Nick knows, like, I know we used to beat the brakes off Kansas City. So it's about time y' all get some payback. But the Broncos gonna beat Kansas City when they come to Denver. Watch tonight. G say ranked these receivers 1 through 4 over the past 10 years. A B, Mike Evans, Larry Fitzgerald, Hopkins and it's close. One is close. Out of a B and fits.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Man. Ocho, that's. This Ocho. This show. This show expertise here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'll probably go Larry Fitzgerald, then a B and who the who the other two?

[Liberty City Zone]

D. Hop and Mike Evans.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mike Evans and then D. Hop.

[Liberty City Zone]

Y' all heard it from the wide receiver extraordinaire, Adab Smith said coach got secondary that can compete any passing unit in the afc. The move to get sauce was help stop Pat and Josh. Yeah, they can. But that defense ain't gonna mean anything if you turn the ball over six times.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, well, listen. And the funny thing about it, too, Uncle Joey, you think about it. The goddamn Colts turn us turn the ball over six times and only lost by seven. They only lost by seven. So you take. You take away two, maybe three of those turnovers, they probably still win the game.

[Liberty City Zone]

You're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Tino Davis said. Disappointed in my Chiefs not getting breeze Hall. Yep. I'm just. I mean, I'm not disappointed. I'm a Bronco fan. I want them to have a little help as possible. Philly talk with PA High. Roseman said multiple times. AJ Wasn't going anywhere. I understand, though you need clicks and find it funny media only tries to bring down Philly. Players love the show. No, he said he wouldn't trade him. Now we'll have this Car. Oh, you think it's gonna go away in the off season? Oh, can you tell? Philly talk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't. I don't. I don't think fans understand how the business works. They don't. They. They. They're so caught. They're so caught up, like in right now and what's going on. They don't understand how the business side of things work and how owners and those in positions that call the shots, they. They don't understand how they think.

[Liberty City Zone]

Sheldon Pope ISO can coach Cal, discover and develop the next NBA star at Arkansas like he did in previous stops, Memphis and Kentucky.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, y' all see the talent we got down there in Arkansas?

[Liberty City Zone]

Hey, yeah, we.

[Joe Johnson]

We ranked 14, but we got some. We got two.

[Liberty City Zone]

Two hold up.

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[Liberty City Zone]

But that money playing out. That chicken money paying off hunch.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello. But we got some. We got some nice. We got some nice freshmen. Derek Acuff and Malik Thomas. Those freshmen have been, you know, toting the scoring low. But we don't just got the freshman. We got some other guys that's, you know, been around the block and know what it takes to win. And, you know, Kyle gonna get the talent down there. Now we just gotta put it together and see if we can bring another national championship down.

[Liberty City Zone]

We overdo you the new. You're a new Jorge Castillo said. Ocho. You're a new GM. Who you taking? PS2 or Asante Samuel.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Asante Samuel Jr. Or PS2? I mean, which one?

[Liberty City Zone]

The senior.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, well, that's a good one.

[Liberty City Zone]

Everywhere it is, because senior was really good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Very. Hey, that goddamn scene gonna go at seven. Put them heels in the ground and dare you. I dare you. He ain't got to be in your face. I dare you to throw it. Oh, that's a good one. Hey, listen, I'm gonna go to Sante, okay? Hey, as. As great as and greatest P2Is right now, I'm going with Asante bro.

[Liberty City Zone]

For him to be the size that he is, 6:2, 6:3, and the fluidity in which he moved. He can stab left. He could stab right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Liberty City Zone]

Flip his hip, drop drive. I don't know. I mean, you probably got to go. I'm talking about big corner. Mike Haynes was. That was before your time. It was before my times, but I remember Mike, to see a big corner like that, long, rangy, that had that kind of technique. Aaron Lewis was a tall corner similar.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Similar to Bobby Taylor.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. More fluid than Bobby. Yeah, way more fluid than Bobby.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Much better.

[Liberty City Zone]

Bobby. Bobby was physical.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

But the The, the, the, the, the, the. The grace and the ease and the fluidness in which man, that joke was portray. Emotional. Yeah. Hey, you watch that joke. Hey, you watch that joke? He just sit there. Go ahead and do what you're gonna do now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, he not. He's not budging. He not budging until you go.

[Liberty City Zone]

Okay, look, bro, you doing all this stuff now, you do realize I know you're doing all this dancing in the line. You ain't going deep, right? So I ain't getting about this backpack. I just want you to know. Yeah. Philip Turner, why the media make it like Sauce washed up? He just got to a Super bowl contender. Watch how he about to turn up. And Ward coming back. I bet if the Chiefs of the Bills had made the trade for Sauce, they would have been praised for it. The Colts, just not the team they're promoting. I'm not so sure one of those teams would have given up what they gave, but the Colts gave up. I get why the Colts did it, bro. You do understand? Let me ask you this, Philip. You think the Broncos will take two ones for Pat certain ii? Hell nah. You think. You think the Texans giving up Stingley Jr. No. So you. You. You keep talking about that, but you have to ask yourself in the middle of the season after they just paid this man $120 million, you're not asking yourself the right question. You talk about why ain't nobody hyping it up and everybody done this because people looking like, well, damn. Okay, but what. What. What did the Colts know that we don't? What did the jets know that we don't? They the one that signed him. You gave him a young corner. He's a, what, two, three time Pro bowl player, and the team is willing to get. Get off you four months after they gave you that. Guess what? That's. That's the thing I love about sports. You get to prove it, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Liberty City Zone]

Every single week, you get to prove it. Yep. And maybe you're right, Philip. Maybe being in a different environment, being on a team that's winning, maybe that reignites him, man. It's hard, man. It's hard to stay positive when you're getting your eyes beat out every damn week.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Matter of fact, and speaking of speaking of proving it, there's a very, very big game that the coast are playing this Sunday. I forgot who. I forgot who. They're. It's. It's a very good game. God damn it.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn it. The Colts got a good game this Sunday, man.

[Liberty City Zone]

What's up? OO question. If OO was on your Broncos team back in the day, would you guys still get along with coach Shanahan? Like, oh, oh, OO gonna be blocking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Blocking who?

[Liberty City Zone]

That corner? That's safety. You know, in the west coast system. Yeah, you gotta look at Debo, look at Jennings. You can't. You can't play in that system because that's the only way the running back's gonna have success because you trying to turn 10, 15 yard routes into 4050 yard touchdowns. And sometimes you have to knock DBs. You have look at TO. People don't realize how good a blocker to was. He'll be 50 yards downfield blocking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, T, get a hand on you, boy. You ain't going nowhere, boy.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, I'd had Ocho right. I'd had Ocho right, Ocho to have some jewelry. Ocho already been in the hall of fame.

[Joe Johnson]

You probably had to put some knots inside his head, but you had it, right?

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause he won't come in here. You know, the Miami boys, they come in there with a bull jive, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what? I like it the way it is. I like.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

It's cool, it's cool.

[Liberty City Zone]

No, chill. Will, do you think. Do you guys think AD Gets injured more from basketball or from celebrating after a good game?

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Nah, I think he came in. He came, he came in the camp a little overweight, man. And yeah, if you use training camp to get in shape, you. You're gonna have to. You're gonna have to deal with them soft tissue injuries.

[Liberty City Zone]

Yeah. Cause your body ain't used to carrying that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, Ocho, in basketball, if you don't enjoy running, right, the game ain't gonna be fun to you, man. It's gonna. You're gonna deal with a lot of injuries and that's gonna take the love away. So I tell cats, man, they out. Hey, you know, my son in college, he got, he got, he got his homeboys who get on the phone. How can they improve their game? Be in elite shape? Go right two, three miles.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, listen, I offered everybody my services. Regardless of sports you play to prevent soft hitch injuries, to prevent injuries in general. I mean, I've done all I can. I let everybody do what they weigh.

[Liberty City Zone]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We greatly, greatly appreciate that support. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. That is my partner and co host. That's Liberty City Zone. That's Chad Ochocinko. Johnson and the third member of the Big Three that joins us every Wednesday throughout the year. That's ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you again for your support. Make sure you check out Shay by Laportier head over to laportierconjac.com if you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium BSOP Cognac on the market. Try it, compare it against others and you'll see what we've been saying all along to be true. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Also, follow my media company on all of its platforms that Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, it's that link is also pinned in the chat. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night after the Broncos put that beat down on the Raiders. I'm he's oo he's ISO. See you tomorrow night after the game. Thank you for joining us.

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