Nightcap - Hour 2: Lamar vs. Allen MVP race, Giants lose #1 pick, Bowers breaks TE rookie record

Summary

Club Shay Shay Episode Summary: Nightcap - Hour 2: Lamar vs. Allen MVP Race, Giants Lose #1 Pick, Bowers Breaks TE Rookie Record

Release Date: December 30, 2024

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe, alongside co-hosts Chad Ochocinco and San Francisco 49ers linebacker Fred Warner, delves deep into the pivotal moments of the NFL season. The discussion centers around the intense MVP race between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, the New York Giants' unfortunate loss of the first overall draft pick, and Brock Bowers' record-breaking rookie season as a tight end. Below is a structured overview of the key discussions, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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1. Lamar Jackson vs. Josh Allen: The MVP Showdown

The episode opens with a heated debate between Chad Ochocinco and Fred Warner regarding the current MVP race between Baltimore Ravens' Lamar Jackson and Buffalo Bills' Josh Allen. Both quarterbacks have put up impressive statistics, making the race exceptionally tight.

• Statistical Comparison:

  • Lamar Jackson:

    • Passing Yards: 3,955
    • Rushing Yards: 852
    • Total Touchdowns: 43
    • Interceptions: 4
    • Fumbles: 9 (including 5 fumble losses)

  • Josh Allen:

    • Passing Yards: 3,731
    • Rushing Yards: 531
    • Total Touchdowns: 41
    • Interceptions: 6
    • Fumbles: 8 (including 2 fumble losses)

• Notable Discussion Points:

  • Closeness of the Race: Both quarterbacks are neck-and-neck, with only a single fumble separating them ([07:57] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Impact of Team Performance: The Bills' status as a number two seed and the Ravens' potential to win their division could sway the MVP decision ([05:36] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Future Projections: Speculation that Lamar might surpass the 4,000 passing yards mark and add significant rushing yards, bolstering his MVP case ([09:00] Chad Ochocinco).

• Key Quotes:

  • Chad Ochocinco: "If Lamar Jackson has over 4,000 pass yards, a thousand rush yards, and 40-plus touchdown passes, I can't let that season go out in vain. He deserves the MVP." ([10:03])

  • Fred Warner: "It's so close. They have to nitpick and find something to say when the numbers are so close." ([44:33])

2. New York Giants Lose the #1 Draft Pick

The conversation shifts to the New York Giants' mishap in the draft, where they lost the coveted first overall pick due to poor performance.

• Operational Analysis:

  • Record Impact: The Giants' 3-13 record led to them losing the first pick, landing them in the third seed ([05:52] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Potential Trades: Chad discusses the possibility of trading draft positions to acquire higher draft picks and improve team structure ([10:45] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Team Strategy: Emphasis on establishing a winning culture despite the setback, with hopes of rebuilding without key players like Miles Garrett ([12:25] Fred Warner).

• Key Quotes:

  • Chad Ochocinco: "The Giants played themselves out of the first overall pick. We're trying to establish a culture that can lead into next year." ([10:17])

  • Fred Warner: "I don't like that our future is in the hands of other teams. It bothers me that we have to rely on other teams and hope things fall into place." ([21:08])

3. Brock Bowers Sets Rookie Tight End Records

Highlighting individual excellence, the hosts celebrate Brock Bowers of the Las Vegas Raiders for his remarkable rookie season.

• Record Breakdown:

  • Receiving Yards: 108 yards, nearing the record of 116 set by Zach Ertz.
  • Receptions: 108 catches, just nine short of breaking Ertz's single-season record for rookie tight ends.

• Performance Highlights:

  • Game Impact: Bowers led the Raiders in receiving in a victory over the New Orleans Saints with seven catches for 77 yards ([29:55] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Record Milestone: Pushing towards multiple single-season records, showcasing his potential as a premier tight end in the league ([30:20] Fred Warner).

• Key Quotes:

  • Chad Ochocinco: "Brock Bowers set an NFL record for the most receiving yards by a rookie tight end in a single season and the most receptions by a rookie in a single season. He's nine catches away from breaking the record." ([29:55])

  • Fred Warner: "Brock Bowers has a chance to break Zach Ertz's record. He's performing exceptionally well and is a key asset for the Raiders." ([31:15])

4. Additional NFL Insights and Player Performances

Beyond the main topics, the hosts offer analyses of recent NFL games, player performances, and future prospects.

• Game Analyses:

  • Buffalo Bills vs. Pittsburgh Steelers: Discussion on factors influencing the playoff standings and player performances.
  • Miami Dolphins vs. Cleveland Browns: Evaluating the Dolphins' slim playoff hopes and the significance of upcoming games ([20:18] Chad Ochocinco).

• Player Highlights:

  • Miles Garrett's Achievements: Garrett made NFL history by recording at least 14 sacks in four consecutive seasons, solidifying his reputation as a defensive powerhouse ([22:55] Fred Warner).

• Key Quotes:

  • Chad Ochocinco: "Miles Garrett is playing too well. He made NFL history by tallying at least 14 sacks in four consecutive seasons." ([22:57])

  • Fred Warner: "With Miles Garrett and T.J. Watt contending for Defensive Player of the Year, it's shaping up to be an exciting end to the season." ([24:40] Chad Ochocinco and [24:46] Fred Warner)

5. Listener Q&A and Shoutouts

In the latter part of the episode, Shannon Sharpe facilitates a lively Q&A session where listeners send in shoutouts, birthday wishes, and personal anecdotes.

• Notable Interactions:

  • Shoutouts: Congratulations to listeners on milestones such as graduations, engagements, and birthdays ([55:58] Fred Warner).
  • Engagements and Birthdays: Personal stories shared by Chad Ochocinco and Fred Warner, fostering a sense of community among listeners ([59:25] Fred Warner).

• Key Quotes:

  • Chad Ochocinco: "Congratulations to Jalen and Janet on their engagement after seven and a half years of dating. Can't wait to meet you guys in New Orleans." ([59:25])

  • Fred Warner: "My new year's resolution is to not curse as much. I'm in therapy for my cursing and want to trim back a little bit." ([64:26])

6. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes

Shannon Sharpe wraps up the discussion by highlighting upcoming events, merchandise, and encouraging listeners to support the podcast by subscribing and voting for awards.

• Upcoming Attractions:

  • Super Bowl Show in New Orleans: Announcement of tickets going on sale and a sneak peek into special guests for the spring tour ([54:34] Chad Ochocinco).
  • Merchandise Releases: Information on Shay Media's latest clothing line and special offers ([73:12] Shannon Sharpe).

• Key Quotes:

  • Shannon Sharpe: "Make sure you check out Shay by La Portier and our newest release of T-shirts, sweats, and stocking stuffers. Limited quantities, so grab yours while supplies last." ([74:12])

  • Chad Ochocinco: "Thank you for supporting us in '24. Continue your support in '25 as we have shows and a spring tour lined up." ([73:12])

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay provides an in-depth analysis of the NFL's most compelling narratives as the season wraps up. From the neck-and-neck MVP race between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen to the Giants' draft woes and Brock Bowers' standout rookie year, Shannon Sharpe and his co-hosts deliver insightful commentary enriched with engaging banter and listener interaction. Whether you're a die-hard NFL fan or casual observer, this episode offers valuable perspectives on where the league stands as it gears up for the next season.

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[Fred Warner]

Hey uncle. It's so close though, bruh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is, it is.

[Fred Warner]

It's. It's so close. It's so close. And I I think it's gonna come down to this late I think it's gonna come down to this last game and and one of them having to have an extracurricular a day. They got to do something special because it's so close, you know, to actually define why they deserve that mvp. You know, they, they can't fall, by the way, the wayside in week 17. They can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The question is. The question is Ocho with the Bills already having a number two seed, are you going to play Lamar? Excuse me? Josh Allen, right? No, Lamar gotta play because Lamar gotta win. They gotta win. They can win the division.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Win the division. I get a home game, then, hey, who knows? I'll take my chances. Hell, I might get two home games and never know. Somebody might get upset. Ocho, right. A five seed might be somebody. Well, Lamar never be the five. Lamar would be the four seed, three NFC East, AFC West, AFC East. Lamar's the three. There'll be three seed if they win. Okay, so. Yeah, see, they could get. Well, if they won, that means they would have. Who, Artie? No, Pittsburgh can win the division. Oh, the winner. Okay. The winner of the AFC north would be the three seat. Okay, okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do we get the. The fumbles? It's close. I said it was close. Even though when everybody said Josh Allen, where it was locked up, it was run away, I said, no, Lamar is still playing too well.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, I see.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's playing too well. It's not over and it's going to come down. I said it's going to come all the way down to the end of the season. And I believe it will. And I think it's close. I think it's extremely, extremely, extremely close. And. But people said. But here's the thing.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now people said, Dak, look at Dak numbers last year, 12 and 5, Lamar had a better record. Less touchdown passes, less yards. He got the MVP this year. He has the less of the records. Better the numbers. Allen has the better record. Similar numbers, right? Okay. Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson has five fumble loss. So he has nine total turnovers.

[Fred Warner]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Josh Allen has two fumbles lost, which means he has eight total turnovers. So that's how close it is. Ocho even.

[Fred Warner]

That's close.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's close. So you got One guy with nine, the other guy with eight. One guy with 41 total touchdowns, the other with 43.

[Fred Warner]

And if I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. The Bills have to play the Patriots, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Bills play the Patriots, okay, In Foxborough.

[Fred Warner]

And who the Raven, who The Ravens have to play for their last game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Ravens played the Browns.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, Shit. And the Brown. Listen, the Browns beat them last time, too, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they ain't beating them this time.

[Fred Warner]

No, no, listen. If I was to give an advantage. You see, ain't him. Goddamn divisional games. It's different, man. I don't know. It don't matter what you're.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you just watch. You just watch the Browns. The Browns ready? Look, Miles Garrett playing his ass off if I'm him. If they can't show me a clear picture, go and get rebuild, but rebuild without me.

[Fred Warner]

Listen, listen. A clear picture, fuzzy picture. You already know what it is. Listen, you already know what you get. And you're not going to be there long enough for them to get it together.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you just not.

[Fred Warner]

You're not going to be there long enough, you know, so, you know, somebody give you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Somebody give you two first. Somebody will switch position with you in the draft.

[Fred Warner]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you're not going first of all. You don't want to switch position with anybody in the draft because you're going to have a higher seed than anybody that's going to be willing to trade. But somebody give you two first rounders, maybe a player and even a second rounder for Miles Garrett. He's 29 years of age and he's a premier pass rusher. Those guys don't fall out of trees. No, not him. So, yes, this thing is going to come down to the end. It's going to be interesting. I don't believe Josh Allen's going to play. Excuse me. They're locked into the two seed Lamar Jackson. Numbers could even look better. Could it be a situation he throws for 4,000 yard over? Yeah, he's going to throw for over 4,000 yards. Does he rush for 148 to give him a thousand? I mean, the man rushed for four, passed for 4,000, rushed 4,000, has 40, 40, 41, 42 touchdowns. Ocho, I got to give him the MVP. I'm sorry.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'm lean. Ocho, I've been telling you, I've been leaning his way for like the last three, four weeks, right? But with 4,000 pass yards, a thousand rush yards, 40 touchdown passes, what are we doing here?

[Fred Warner]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I. Not a knock on Josh Allen because Josh Allen had a phenomenal season. Yeah, but I can't. I can't let a guy that throws for 4,000 yards rush for a thousand. And with 40 plus touchdown passes, I can't let. I can't let that season go out, go away in vain. I can't. I can't. The Giants Played them. Ocho. The Giants played themselves out of the first overall pick. Remember I told you that's why. That's why they put your boy in that thing. DeVito.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Giants 3 and 13 picked up a win at Met Life the stadium in his final home game thanks to career days by Drew Lock and rookie Malik Neighbors. Hold up. Jermaine, whatever his name is. I ain't fit to butcher that man name. But you know, Jermaine, you rather your team go out there and fight for every inch that lay down and just take an ass whipping. Yeah, you get your ass picked. You get your ass picked. That's what you wanted. But what are the player coming into? You got to establish some sort of culture. We're trying to establish a culture that can lead into next year. Once we get more pieces in here, I'm sure everything will still work out how the franchise needed to work out. Now New England has the number one pick. Tennessee has the number two pick. Cleveland has the number three pick, the Giants number three. So is that a situation? Does somebody come up in, wow, New England. Or do you sit there and take a Travis Hunter? Here's the thing. OO yes, sir, I like Travis Hunter. But are the Patriots one player away or do you. Or do you give me two first rounders? We switch draft positions now. I want a first rounder in 25 and 26 and 27 and plus I want a second round pick in 26 and I want a third or fourth round pick in 27. Is that where we go with this? Oo I don't know because I think they're more than one player away. That's just me personally. And I won't trav to go. I won't Travis Shador. Clearly, clearly they're not taking Shador because they just drafted Drake May.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, this is interesting. This is very interesting. I think I would love to be in the war room. I would love to be in the war room with Kraft and Mayo and see what their thoughts is on, you know, the special skill set that, you know, Travis Hunter has. What can he do for us? What can we do even if we are multiple players away from being able to compete and be in contention and looking like we used to look, you know, those 20 years when we had Belichicker and Brady. Can we get a player like Travis Hunter to come in here and help us win? Can he be a difference maker? Can he be a difference maker on the, on the defensive side of the ball and the offensive side of the ball? I mean, that, that that's something that you have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know if he enough to impact it like that, Ocho, huh? I don't know if he's gonna play. I think, I think me personally, what I would do oo I would trade, I would trade the pick, right? And I'm gonna get me three. First I'm gonna switch because I'm gonna still be in the first round, right? Ocho, you picks away, you a lot of guys away, especially on the offensive side of the football. Yeah, a lot of guys. You need wide receivers, you need some line, you need some D linemen, you need a lot of things to go right in New England. See the funny, the COVID is bare, right?

[Fred Warner]

The funny thing about that, when you say you need a lot of picks like that, what you name it right now that takes time. That takes time. That's not happening. No one in two or three years, you think you're going to fix all the situation or all the pieces?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Fred Warner]

You're going to miss some time, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got a quarterback who missed. I got my quarterback.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now can I get me a receiver? Do I go in free agency? I. I'll make a play for T. Higgins. Now you see what I saw? Now I got milk. I put him with booty. I got Hunter Henry at the tight end position. I like Ramandre Stevens, right? Boom. Now I got some pieces to play with now, Ocho. Now I got some chance pieces to deal with.

[Fred Warner]

I like that, I like that, I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause you got the cap space. Yeah. I pay T. Higgin the premium. I give him 31, 32 million dollars a year at the wide receiver position. I got, oh, I got five years, 160 for it. I give him 80 million, $85 million guaranteed. So now I got a wide receiver to go with my quarter young quarterback. I got Hunter Henry, solid tight end. I mean, they got a couple of pieces. I can work with that, Ocho. But you look at the places. New England got the first pick now, I mean, this could change. OO New England has the first pick. Tennessee got second. Cleveland, Giants, Jacksonville Carolina, Jets, Las Vegas, Chicago, New Orleans.

[Fred Warner]

I'm curious, I'm curious how it's going to pan out. Now. The, the, the, the draft order might be what it is right now, but we have to understand what teams need. And teams are going to, I don't think panic is the right word. They're going to do what's necessary. They're going to be on that phone in the war room doing what's necessary. To make sure they get the player they want.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, most of them, I ain't waiting till to get to the war room. I'm plotting right now.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, you plan to. Now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm plotting right now. Ojo, right.

[Fred Warner]

Most of the time, you look at the draft, we can name who the first five players are going to go. We can name in order. Right now, I couldn't tell you who going to go first.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Because guess what? Free agency happens first. So I'm setting my free agent board first. Now I can plan accordingly. I get a wide receiver, I get a T. Higgins. I don't need a wide receiver in the first two rounds. See, now I kill one. I killed. Kill the bird now, okay, what else can I got? Cause they got. See how much cap space the Patriots got. They got Buku cap space.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah, Buku.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In cap space. They got 131 million in cap space. I can get. I can get me two or two players. Ocho, right? Two or three good ones.

[Fred Warner]

Good ones, yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All of them. Ain't got to be everybody. Ain't got to be the best T. Higgins is going to probably be. He's the number one wide receiver.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't need to get the number one wide receiver, the number one offensive lineman, the number one defensive lineman, the number one. You know, I don't need to get all that O. I can get number one. I'm gonna get T. Higgins. I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse. Right? Hey, hey, hey. And I'm just want to say at. Look here. You're unbelievable talent, but you and I both know you always gonna be number two in cincy. Number one. Number uno. He, number uno. I'm gonna shoot you straight. Yeah, I would shoot. Hey, Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey. I'm gonna tell you sometimes, this ain't me, but you got to tell him. Your boy, you know, your boy cheating on you, right? Ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought it up.

[Fred Warner]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you never. You never gonna be the bottom. Always gonna be number two. Now, if you okay with that, so be it. I ain't here to judge you. But you can only be number two because he got a number one. That's who he go home to every night. It ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought it up.

[Fred Warner]

Come on, now. Come on. Come on now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, ain't no pillow talk. I'm wide awake.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That'S the thing, Ocho. I mean, I pay. Oh, I'm trying to get T. Higgins. I'm telling the truth. Oh, yeah, but he know I ain't lying.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. You know what? I, you know that. Listen, and I say it all the time, you know, I consider them two ones. I, I consider them two ones. There are three teams in the NFL chat. Listen to me. There are three teams in the CFL that have two number one receivers. I don't care how you cut it, how you slice it. That's the Bengals to me. You know, the Vikings, I consider them to have two number ones as well. Detroit, I like Addison and you like the Lions.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You like, you like Amon Ross St. Brown and Jameson Williams.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. Iman Ross St. Brown. Now, I don't see Aman Ross St. Brown as a, as a dominant figure. As an outside wide receiver. No, as an outside. I don't see him as.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He'll slot. He's slot.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. So that's why I didn't really put them in the conversation. And them young Bulls over there down in Philly, I see them as two number ones. If they.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, for sure.

[Fred Warner]

I think Devontae Smith can carry the load on a team. If he had to be a one and a, you know, A.J. brown, you know, you know what he could do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you look at, you look at Chicago with Keenan and DJ Moore, Rome with more opportunities. But that's, that's the thing that you got to look at. You have to ask yourself about one player away. Yeah, normally that's the quarterback. Because if I got a choice, Ocho, I'm take a quarterback because he has the ball. I need guys that's going to score points every time. That's. At the end of the day, that's how you win in this league. Ocho. Look, look at the game. 45, 33 and 27. Ocho ain't no more. You're not winning a whole bunch of games. Ten, seven, right. You're just not right. You got to score. And if you give me a choice to say defensive guy or a quarterback, I'm taking the quarterback. I'm just down. But clearly Seattle. The Patriots need another wide receiver and I'm going at T. Higgins. I'm going to make him an offer he cannot refuse. Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Dolphins keep their slim AFC playoff hopes alive with a win over the Browns 23. It wasn't pretty, but Tyler Huntley led Miami Dolphins. They took care of business, ocho. Now they're 8 and 8. Remains a hotly contested three way battle for the ALC final playoff spot. Hey, the Broncos Win. They're in. Dolphins need a win and a dog. And if the Bronco. No, the Dolphins need a win plus a Denver loss. The Bengals. The Bengals. The Bengals, they need the. They need the Denver to lose and Miami to lose. So they're just not out of the woodwork just yet. Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they have to beat. They have to beat Pittsburgh.

[Fred Warner]

That's going to happen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Miami has to lose.

[Fred Warner]

They going to lose.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the Broncos have to lose.

[Fred Warner]

And they going to lose.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Miami are playing the Jets.

[Fred Warner]

You know, I don't like. I don't like the fact. I don't like the fact that our future is in the hands of other teams. Yeah, I don't like that if we had handled business at the beginning of the season, instead of, you know, putting ourselves in a hole like we always do every damn year, this one a little worse than others, and having to dig ourselves out, we wouldn't be in the situation. So that bothers me that we have to rely on other teams and hope that, hey, we hope you guys win, and we hope these guys lose so we can get opportunity to get into the playoffs. It's unfortunate, but that's where we are now. So I'm hoping. I'm hoping, you know, all the cars may fall in our place. Because if they. If they do. All right. Don't be surprised. I told you. I told you the storyline.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y'all ain't getting in.

[Fred Warner]

I told the story.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chiefs ain't playing nobody. Cause if you. If you. What you said, what are the Chiefs thinking?

[Fred Warner]

So you still believe your Broncos gonna beat the Chiefs?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Fred Warner]

You do remember how much we put on it, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we put a thousand dollars on it. Okay.

[Fred Warner]

I just wanna make sure you remember that. I don't. I don't want you to forget. I don't want you to be upset. I don't want you to blame.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't gonna blame upset.

[Fred Warner]

I don't want no excuses. I want my money in Warren's, too. Cause I'm gonna go celebrate.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So the Broncos are in with a win. If they win, they don't need nothing else. They can still get in. If the Bengals lose, that ain't gonna.

[Fred Warner]

Happen, but go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I like our chances. I don't even want. I don't want to think of anything else. Check this out, Ocho. Miles Garrett made NFL History Week 17 by becoming the first player to tally at least 14 sacks in four consecutive seasons. Garrett notched two sacks today, which is how so happens to be his 29th birthday to meet the milestone. I mean, if they had a little better record, he smack dab as a defensive player of the year.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, most definitely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Quite. I don't really know. I don't really know who's going to win defensive player of the year. I really don't know, Cho. I really don't. Because, no, I don't think anybody's had that year. Like, oh, my God, it's got to be him.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, well, they ran away with it. Nobody ran away.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, he probably going to win the sack total. I mean, What? He has 14. I mean, he has 14 now. I think Hendrickson has 13.

[Fred Warner]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's gonna be interesting to see what Pittsburgh don't play until next week. We'll see what Pittsburgh. What they could do on Burrow. Yeah, but right now and Cleveland, I mean, he could. I mean, he could get another sack or two against Lamar, but. But when I look at it, I mean. I mean, who's your defensive player of the year? T.J. watt. Miles Garrett.

[Fred Warner]

Listen, T.J. wat. Miles Garrett have been picked at 14.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So he's tied right now with Trey Hendrickson.

[Fred Warner]

They are tied.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. 14. Both have 14.

[Fred Warner]

You know what we got? We got to see how this last game goes. We got to see how this last game goes. I'm hoping.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, we know Hendrickson's not going to get it. Not on that bad defense.

[Fred Warner]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He not going to get it.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So it's probably going to be out of Miles Garrett and TJ Again.

[Fred Warner]

Probably. I'm trying to think to myself, who else is playing stellar defense from an individual standpoint, regardless of position? I mean, it's just those two.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey guys, this is Matt Jones. Drew Franklin from the Fade this podcast. We got a great episode coming up. Picks in all the sports, football, basketball, we do them all. But here's a preview of this week's episode.

[Fred Warner]

I've seen people in the gambling community.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Kind of make jokes about fade this and we just goof off and don't.

[Fred Warner]

Even talk about the games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bring your records and set them on this table right now. All you out there that are spend two hours talking about the games and will in the last seven years and night games they've come in and haven't scored 20 points and you get too detailed. Bring your records right here to fade this. We'll we'll talk about books and cooking.

[Fred Warner]

And Kevin Costner and still make more.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Money betting on sports than you will. And this episode was brought to you in partnership with DraftKings. To hear more, listen and subscribe to Fade this on iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey what's up guys? I'm Fred Warner, linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers the holidays get really busy for me, but I still want to pull up to events looking my freshest. AB's latest drop of party looks is taking me through the season for date nights, hanging out with the fellas and even New Year's Eve. They have outfits for every occasion. I'm big on sweater, polos and trousers with a wool blend coat over top for those really fancy holiday events. Abercrombie has suiting options too. Shop Abercrombie for every night out. Brock Bauer's record setting day push at the Raiders to a win versus the Saints. The Raiders posted back to back wins for the first time this season with a 25:10 victory over the New Orleans Saints. Rookie tight end Brock Bowers led the Raiders in receiving with seven catches, 77 yards and set several records. Bowers set an NFL record for the most receiving yards by a rookie tight end in a single season and the most reception by rookie in a single season. Hello? The most reception by rookie in a single season in this. Oh, in the second quarter, right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. Okay. In the second quarter. Okay. Bowers also set a rated single season record for the most receiving yards by a rookie and the most receptions. I mean, what's the record? The most reception by tight end is Jason Whitten, 116. Or Zach Ertz.

[Fred Warner]

116. They were dealing, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause he has what, what does he have now? 108? Cause I think Malik neighbors has like 106. He's right there on him about Zach Ertz. Okay, Zach Ertz has 116. Brock Bowers has how many? 108 now. So he's nine catches away from breaking the record. Hey, all I know, I'm throwing in the ball. I'm throwing in the ball every day. Every day. Oh, I forgot. Pastor Tang gonna get some votes too.

[Fred Warner]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause when he covered Jamar Chase had thrown on what, six, seven targets. He had three catches for 27 yards against sir Tan. And when Sir Tan wasn't on him, what you call him? Joey? Joe Burrows hunted him well. Hey. Oh, you go guard somebody else. Jamar. Get ready. So Sir Tan is going to get some, he's going to get some votes. He good, man. That joker flew it. He, he good. Oh, Joe, that joker effortless.

[Fred Warner]

He real nice. Hey, listen, he to be that size, to be that big.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he tall. He tall.

[Fred Warner]

He like, hey listen, to be that fluid. Fluid to be that smooth. He has great hips, great technique. He can play off, he can play, man. He's really good. And always in position to make a play. Always in position to make a play. I like him. I like him a lot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho. Tampa exploded offensively, punting just one all once all afternoon. Opened the game with five straight scoring drives. Baker Mayfield posted his first career game in which he threw for 350 plus yards, five touchdowns. Connected with Mike Evans for two of those as he became the seventh player in NFL history with six or more seasons with at least 10 touchdown receptions. And now I think he's what, 80 yards? He's like 80 yards away from getting another thousand yard or another a thousand receiving yard season.

[Fred Warner]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they play New Orleans next week.

[Fred Warner]

Oh yeah. He going, he gonna get that. He definitely gonna get that. And then you know what? He don't have to deal with Marshawn Lattimore either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, you go out there, go out, go out there and have you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So Baker was 20 of 27 of 32, 359, five touchdowns. Bucky Irving, 20 carries, 113 yards. They ran the ball 40 times for 2,02. Mike Evans had eight catches for 97 yards and two touchdowns. Baker was sensational. Bryce Young was 15 or 28, 203, two touchdowns, no interceptions. They were just overmatched. Adam Thielen had a day, five for one, 10, two touchdown. They just, they just don't have enough offensively.

[Fred Warner]

Too much, too much, too much, too much firepower to deal with.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mike Evans needs 85 yards to have. That'll be his 11th straight or 12 straight thousand yard season. Now Jerry has the record with 14 total 1000 yard seasons.

[Fred Warner]

He gonna get that though. He definitely getting that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh yeah. Oh, I'mma feed him, I'mma feed him. I'm gonna make sure he gets it right. But Baker's played extremely well. Baker gotta have like 30 something touchdown passes, doesn't he? Baker has 39 touchdown passes.

[Fred Warner]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wow.

[Fred Warner]

39.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Fred Warner]

Shit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And he's over 4,000 yards, right?

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah. If I'm not, I'm not mistaken. I just looked at it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boy, it's gonna be. Hey, Ocho. It's gonna be real interesting this Pro Bowl.

[Fred Warner]

What happened?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Afc, Pro bowl, quarterbacks.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you mean you got Joey B, you got Mahomes 15:1, you got Josh Allen and you got Lamar Jackson. Somebody get left home to take three.

[Fred Warner]

But listen, listen. This might be a, this might be a year where they change the rules and take.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Folks, they changing the rules. Now the nfc, you got Jared Goff, golf, you Got Baker Mayfield, you got Jalen hurt, you got Sam Darnold bowling.

[Fred Warner]

You know what? I can't wait. I can't wait to get the Pro Bowl. I can't wait to get the Pro bowl because, you know, I got to work and I'm going to get everybody autographed and they finna sign my jersey. I want everybody autographing. Give me a jersey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. Now it's time for Q and A.

[Fred Warner]

Well, God. Well, God damn, that shit went by. Oh, my bad, my bad. Hey. Hey, can you do me a favor?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What?

[Fred Warner]

We should start. We should start. We should start like a little pot, right? For me to kind of help me with my discipline when it comes to using derogatory language. Every time I curse, I put a dollar in the pot. Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Your whole check will be gone at the end of the month.

[Fred Warner]

But this is the thing. And then we give it away to. I like that idea.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sure. I'm all for it.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. Matter of fact, no, let's make it 20. Every time I curse.

[Chad Ochocinco]

$20, man, you gonna have no money.

[Fred Warner]

$20. And at the end of each month, we tally it up and we give it away to somebody in the chat.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I'm good.

[Fred Warner]

That's a good idea.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Blood91 say, I've never seen so many good rookies in the NFL. Is that indicative of the rule changes? I mean, it all depends. Look, they throw the ball.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, that's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You added games, you throw the ball more than you ever have.

[Fred Warner]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If you notice, it ain't a whole lot of rookie running backs doing this. I mean, Bucky Urban, I think, is the only rookie running back, and I think he's pretty close to a thousand yards. But the receivers, you look at Malik, though, you look at neighbors, you look at Brian Thomas, you look at a. Brock Bowers, you saw the quarterbacks come in, you see Jaden Daniels come in, and that's what you're going to get. But these guys are. They're more skilled now. They do all these seven on seven camps. They grow up in seven on seven. Whereas before that didn't happen. They're getting. They're getting coached by NFL guys that. That throwing coaches. These guys got throwing coaches in high school.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, yeah, most definitely. And you know, in college.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So it's. It's different. But the rookies are. Yeah, the rule changes helps, but at the end of the day, guys still got to go out there and got.

[Fred Warner]

To perform and got to perform.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Aaron owens said a 60 meter dash between C, CJ2K Prime, Tyreek, Bo Jackson, Darrell Green. Who you taking?

[Fred Warner]

And they prime. And they prime. And they prime.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they prime.

[Fred Warner]

I'm trying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't gonna lie. I ain't never seen nobody beat Darrell Green, and I'm talking about he racing Olympic champs.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, that'd be a good race.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Prime. Absolute prime.

[Fred Warner]

Well, that would be a. That would be. That would be a great range.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ooh, that'd be a good one. That'd be a good one.

[Fred Warner]

Damn, that's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think I'm. I think I go with prime or both.

[Fred Warner]

Twitchy, you see how Tyreek is right now? I'm gone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now you see? Now you know. Time twitchy.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know that. I know that.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. Time real twitchy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now. See, that's what they should have had, right?

[Fred Warner]

But you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, they used to have that. NFL's fastest man.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah. Daryl Green.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Daryl Green. They had Herschel Walker. They had. I don't know if Sam Grady ran, but they had Willie Gault.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, they had some guy. Oh, yeah.

[Fred Warner]

I done seen it go across Twitter a few times. They had it running in them gray shorts and gray. Yeah. Comes back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Jeremy Shepard said, the greatest defensive team in NFL history versus the greatest offensive team in NFL history. Who wins and why?

[Fred Warner]

So what. What are we talking about? We talking about the 85 bears? We take. We talk about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you talking about. Yeah, not. Not that you. Not that you made. Because I'm like, okay, he said the greatest NFL team. Now, what do you think? Who you think the greatest? Is it the 85 Bears? Is it the 2000 Ravens? Is it the 02 Bucks? Is it the 12, the 13 Seahawks? Is it the 76 Steelers? I mean, who do you consider the greatest team, okay, offensively? Is it the 07? Is it 07 Patriots? Is it the 13 Broncos? Is it to the 83? Is it the 83 Washington Football Team?

[Fred Warner]

Boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm biased because I happen to be. I wasn't on the defense, but I was on the Ravens. When that defense and I saw it up close and personal, you had to see it.

[Fred Warner]

It's different.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But that's when they let you punish the quarterback. And all those teams, for the most part, with the exception of the. The 12 Seahawks, will let you punish the quarterback. Yeah, you could punish him in 2000, you could punish him in 02, you could punish him in the 80s, you could punish him in the 70s.

[Fred Warner]

And you talking about punishing the quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The quarterback, yeah.

[Fred Warner]

Anybody on the offensive?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Punish anybody? Yeah, Receivers. Oh, yeah, there was. There was. Yeah, there was. No, no, no. Nobody. Nobody was spared. Wide receivers. Quarterback. Running. Oh, yeah. Greatest. And today, Ocho. The thing is, is that they. The thing is that what teams figured out, right, Is that the mistakes that they made. The 85 bears, they were known for the Bear defense, right. So what they did, they covered up the center and the two guards, four, six, right. 46 defense. And what they would do is that they would stretch it so they would take Wilbur Marshall and put him over the tight end and they would take Dent and kick him outside. The problem that people have is that they was taking a tight end or the running back to try to block Richard Dent for Hampton. Well, that's not going to work. And so what they did, they started fanning it so they would take the tackle. Because now what they realize is that that guy wasn't going to come. He had to tighten the man. But when he blocked, he would come and hit your quarterback in the mouth. Yep. So what they started doing is releasing that guy, take the tackle and kick. Now, if they brought both of them, you just look hot because normally the backer, the inside backer was going to have to try and take you, right? So you just get whipped, they hit you with the ball, you take off running. But that would be great. I'm going with. I'm. Like I said, I'm taking the 2000. I'm taking the 2000 Ravens as the greatest defense. I don't care what nobody say. Yeah.

[Fred Warner]

And I'm only taking on the Raven Demon because I saw them, because I didn't get to watch the other teams. I didn't see the 85, 86 bears. I wasn't able to see them. I didn't see the Steelers when they had the Steel Curtain back then, you know, but that two man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't think people saying Isaiah Lancaster says unc and Ocho, is this the best generation of quarterbacks? Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, Burrow, Herbert. And does Lamar or Allen overcome the Chiefs? Well, it's either now. Never. Look, we've always had an influx of quarterbacks. You had Montana, you had Elway, you had Marino, you had Kelly, you've always had, you know, quarterbacks, right? They're just young. I mean. Cause think about it. All those quarterbacks, only one of them won a Super Bowl. All the quarterbacks you mentioned, only one has won a Super bowl, right? Only two of those have an mvp. If you think about it right now, Ocho, only two quarterbacks in the entire league have super bowl as starters. That's Mahomes and that's Lamar Jackson. No, Aaron Rodgers.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, you said mvp.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My bad.

[Fred Warner]

My bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mvp. Super bowl has Super Bowl.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, Super Bowl. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And starters.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah, yeah, my bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, all the three have the MVPs. Rogers, Mahomes and Lamar.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I forgot who in the Rams. Stafford has a Super Bowl.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, Stanford. Oh, yeah. Stanford. Yeah. Don't. Don't remind me. Don't. Don't remind me because that wasn't no pass interference on that four.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That. No, that. No, look, pass was the greatest. Was the greatest throw under in NFL history.

[Fred Warner]

That was a very. That was. That was nice. That was. Given the circumstances, that was nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the Super Bowl. Oo, that ain't no preseason game. That ain't no regular season game. That's for all the marbles.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. I can give credit where credit is due. That was nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Russ too. Russ got a Super Bowl. It's four. So Russ Rogers, Mahomes and Stafford.

[Fred Warner]

Stafford.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Only two have Super Bowl MVPs. That's Mahomes and Rogers. Only three have regular season MVPs. That's Rogers, Mahomes and Lamar. Right. But if they. Hey, these guys are young too, so they're gonna be duking it out for a while. Ocho, you got Lamar at 27. You got Allen, probably 27. Burrows like 28. Herbert is like 25, 26. My homeboy just turned what, 29. So they gonna be go. They gonna be. They're gonna be going at this for a while, Ocho, and I'm glad of it. Brandon Martinez said, you guys get forgetting how many weapons Lamar has to compete to Allen. He's carrying Buffalo, bro. It's not an easy decision you can make. You can Jordan fix this. You can make a compelling case for either guy. Yeah, it's just Ocho. Somebody gotta argue for the defense. Somebody gotta argue for the prosecution. It's really that simple, Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

And the funny thing about it is it's so close.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It is.

[Fred Warner]

You would. Damn. They have to nitpick. You would have to nitpick and find something to say, well, Josh winning for this reason or Lamar Jackson should win it for this reason, when the numbers are so close, the records are so close. I mean, listen, I think it's going to come down to this last game and you said Josh Allen might not play because they have a number two seed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Number two seed locked up. There can't be anything but the number two seed.

[Fred Warner]

But listen, if that's the case, you think Josh Allen might sit and might not play well, Lamar Jackson might get it just for the performance he has against the Browns this week coming up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Oh, Joe Flacco won the super bowl and he got an mvp. We forget about Joe. And because it was so long. It was so long ago. Well, I mean, he won more. More recently than Aaron Rodgers, but he won one and he was a Super bowl mvp. Now, you could have made a case for Jacoby because Jacobe was sensational. Jacoby, he saved. He and Flacco saved the day against the Broncos on third and forever. Called a game with a touchdown, with a safety.

[Fred Warner]

The safety misjudged it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Rain Mo. Yep, he did. Ocho. Tim Lee said, if the Chiefs are so scared of the Bengals, which I know they're not, why would the Chiefs let them in? Can't have it both ways, Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, who mentioned anything about them being scared? I didn't say anything. I didn't. I didn't say anything. I don't even. I don't even speak on the Chiefs. You know, I don't say anything bad about the Chiefs. Now what I have done is anytime there was a game going on, I would just say the Chiefs were going to lose. Just to say it. Really not really understanding that because of Mahomes, they probably not going to lose anyway. I just said for. For. For. For context purposes, just to go against them. That's all. That's all. They're really good. They're really good. And they will always be good as.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Long as y'all ain't gonna make the playoffs. Who.

[Fred Warner]

Who you talking to?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[Fred Warner]

You don't think we're gonna make the playoffs?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. What part about what about the big end or the big O? No.

[Fred Warner]

Okay, we'll see. We'll see. Now when we make it. Now when we make it, I don't want you to say play no more.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Trey Caesar said, do you think commanders win a Super bowl by the end of JD5 rookie deal? Well, it's a lot easier to win on a rookie deal than it is as you. When you start. Because by the time he get a deal, you got to understand what the money's going to be. It's gonna be 70 million.

[Fred Warner]

We're gonna be nasty, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause he's gonna sign a deal after his third year, so that's two years away, Ocho. Yeah, it's gonna be $70 million.

[Fred Warner]

A good work. Let me get all that, too. Yes, right. If you ain't got no money, go get it from the Federal Reserve. But I need all mine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Question. If Larry was to win a ring in 2008, where would you rank his playoff run? Larry?

[Fred Warner]

Larry Fitzgerald.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, oh, oh, that run he was on.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, that thing was nasty. But who had a better playoff on Larry Fitzgerald or Cooper Cup?

[Chad Ochocinco]

That triple Coop finished it off. Because here's the thing, you got to think about what Coop did in the regular season. Ocho 142, 1942 Triple Crown. And he showed up every game in.

[Fred Warner]

The playoffs, and he was cutting up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But Larry, Larry, Larry, that was crazy. That would have been crazy. Jerry had some runs. I mean, when Jerry did. When Jerry did have run. There's a reason he got all the records in the postseason and the regular season for receivers. But yeah, man, that super bowl, the NFC Championship, the game against the Falcons. Fitz had a run. I. I give him credit. F had a run. But I think I'm gonna go. I think I'm gonna go with Cup. Dub said, give my boy Zach Brown some attention for defensive player of the year. Not a household name, but he's been playing against. Tail off.

[Fred Warner]

That's the. That the Mike backing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man.

[Fred Warner]

And that's the mic backer from Philly, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, 53.

[Fred Warner]

He nice boy. He is. Listen, I don't. I don't pay attention to linebackers that much, but because of his play, you had no choice but to do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He jump off the screen. You gotta play. He popped.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah, he's nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He pops, Ocho, he pops. You might not know him. I mean, he doesn't have one of the big names. He's not like. What's the guy in San Fran? Fred Warner.

[Fred Warner]

Fred Warner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, you got Fred Warner, you got Zaire Franklin.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got B wags in Washington, right? Zach Braun, bar.

[Fred Warner]

Very nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He can play. He could play. I love his game. Danny. Fans, please give my honest opinion on the charges. Cousin, you're real. I like the charges. He got him playing carbon. Got him playing Jim Harbaugh. Got him playing really, really well. They got weapons. JK Dobbins being able to run the football definitely helps. They got Justice Hill. He's there, too, isn't he? Injustice. Heel there, because they got both of the guys from the Ravens.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. And I like. They got. They got my boy, Quinn Johnson. Quinn Johnson. You see this boy?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's the guy to back up J.K. dobbins and say in The Chargers.

[Fred Warner]

Q. You playing, you playing with confidence. Quinn Johnson. Keep that thing going, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gus Edwards. Gus Edwards. That's the guy. Gus Edwards. Both former Ravens. Hey. He's like, hey, John, probably, hey, these guys really work for you. Harvest. And guess what? They know the offense because Greg Roman is the offensive coordinator.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah. Hey, you going, you going somewhere for New Year's?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Fred Warner]

Are you gonna stay home?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Fred Warner]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go where?

[Fred Warner]

Oh, no. I mean, I think I ain't going.

[Chad Ochocinco]

To be out there. I ain't going to be out there. That craziness.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, no, I ain't talking about that craziness. You know, I normally have my, my, my, my, my ritual. I always go to the Bahamas for Junko. New. You know what Junkanoo is, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I've heard of it.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. So I just, I just had. I just got my ticket for Junko New. I'm gonna leave out. I'm gonna leave out on. On the 31st. On the 31st in the morning. And so when the ball, the ball dropped. Then you go to. I go to Jungle New like two in the morning. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch jungle from. From two to six and then my flight need a 12:30 to go to Jersey for inside the NFL. Cause I gotta be there. I gotta be there the next day.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Sheldon posted Today is Brian's birthday as a gift. DLO got kids traded to the Brooklyn man. Y'all. Y'all wild for that. Ocho, I got old country saying for you. If someone keeps saying the word if you say if it was a fifth, we'd all be drunk. Yeah, we would. So that's why you're not going to the playoffs. Cause you keep saying if.

[Fred Warner]

I ain't say if. I said we are we. Very confident we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Fred Warner]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Fred Warner]

They saying the most, maybe most expensive gift you got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. Something that you received.

[Fred Warner]

Well, shoot. It had to be that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, this year, bro, let me tell you what I got. Ojo.

[Fred Warner]

Talk to me now. Talk to me. Wait. Take your time. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got 20 T shirts.

[Fred Warner]

Ooh. That's what I'm talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I got tweet T shirts. You know, I like the Marvel characters, stuff like that. Iron man and Batman and Hulk and stuff like that. Give me what?

[Fred Warner]

Right? See, remember. Remember when I asked the chat and I told the chat on what I want for Christmas?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Fred Warner]

I talked about my tank tops, my white and my underwear from Haynes, from. From Target. What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ash ain't give me no Christmas gift. What y'all got me. Y'all gave me. Okay. Christmas over win. What? Then you waited for my birth. Panic. What's the most expensive Christmas gift you've given?

[Fred Warner]

Oh, my goodness. Jewelry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. Jewelry. Jewelry. You know how much. I can't even tell you the numbers, because I can't. There's different pieces, you know, and it's. It's kind of. It's kind of. It's kind of out of character for me. But you know how. Listen, let me. Let me tell you how. Let me tell you, okay? Because, you know, when it comes to me, you know, I ain't spending. But when it comes to certain individual, you know, that came into my life at one point, I started acting out of character and doing things that are. That are. That weren't characteristic of the way I move and the way I spin. And then that's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's.

[Fred Warner]

That's. I don't know how it happened. I don't know what happened to me, but, yeah, that's it. You know, the number. The numbers. And then there was no price. That was. That was too high. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy what happened.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I try to keep it on. I keep it on. A 30.

[Fred Warner]

30,000.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah. That's a good number. That's a good number. That's a good number.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wave. 852. Your Uncle Nocho. Love the show. Been watching since the first episode debuted. Y'all keep going, brother. Since being in a bad accident. Hold on. Y'all keep me going, brother. Since being in a bad accident at the job. Wade, we sorry to hear that, bro. Hopefully everything Is healing up. And you're back. You'll be back on your feet in no time. But we appreciate the support. We appreciate our loyal listeners and viewers, people that's been supporting OO and I from day one in the Nightcap family. So, bro, we're praying for you for speedy recovery and thank you for your continued support.

[Fred Warner]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mr. Mugger Sticker. Stickies. Hey, Uncle Nocho, can you give my newborn Mia Love a shout out. She's officially 20 days old. Mia, thank you. Our youngest nightcap member.

[Fred Warner]

Congratulations.

[Chad Ochocinco]

20 days old. Thank you so much.

[Fred Warner]

Congratulations.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bang bang. Please shout out my dad, Skipper Thomas. His birthday. He made 60 today, the 29th. I gifted him a bottle of Laportier and tickets to the New Orleans show. He's a prostate cancer survivor. Skipper, that's what I'm talking about.

[Fred Warner]

I'm excited.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bang bang. I appreciate you for the support. I too was a cancer. Am a cancer survivor. So me and your dad have a lot in common. Hopefully you enjoy the cognac. I can promise you you're gonna enjoy both the cognac and the show. Can't wait to see you there, Skip. Jay Taylor. My wife surprised me with tickets to the New Orleans show. I would like to upgrade them to VIP section. Is that possible? Ash, jt, reach out to the venue. I'm call them. No email. Just call them and tell them what you would like to do. I'm sure they can handle that. They can accommodate that. But thank you, bro. Thank you for coming. Gifted hands. Hey, uncle no Cho. Can I get a shout out for my new fiance and I? We got engaged on Christmas morning after seven and a half years of dating. Can't wait to see you guys in February. I'm Jalen, she's Janet. Okay. Gifted hands, Janet. Congratulations, Jalen. Congratulations to Jalen and Janet. They watch, they're going to be at the show. Can't wait to meet them. Newlyweds not engaged. Newly engaged after seven and a half years, bro. Seven and a half years. You know Janet backwards and forwards. She knows you backwards and forwards. Glad you're taking that next step. Can't wait to meet you guys in New Orleans.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, I sure, I sure can't wait to make my next step.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Vivian. Vivian. Uncle Nocho. Do you guys ever read comments where you leave them at on the bathroom wall? Hell no. In the chat, yeah, we read comments. I mean we always. By being, you know, we got people that go through. Read the comments. Cause we try and improve if there's something that we need to improve. Sometimes people need comments. Y'all need to do more of this, less of that. Of course, I know y'all like Mandy ad, but, bro, that's how we pay the bills. I mean, y'all see all those commercials, what y'all think they do? Most of it. You see more commercial during the super bowl than the actual game. Yeah, somebody gotta pay for that. So, yes, we do read commercials. What did you want to say? Is there something we can improve on? Something you'd like for us to do more? Like, for us to do less? Sure. All we're trying to do is improve the show. Give our viewing and listening audience the best show that we possibly can. Vaughn. Excuse me. Vaughn Reed said uncan Ocho. Today is my birthday. Can I get a birthday shout out? Turn 31. Love you, boys. Von. Happy birthday, bro. Thank you for watching. Thank you for supporting. I don't know what you did for your birthday. Hopefully you did something fun. I don't know. Hopefully you shook the covers for dark. Because that's what I would have did on my birthday. I ain't talking about making no bed either.

[Fred Warner]

I got a birthday coming up, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When? Your birthday on the 9th, remember?

[Fred Warner]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on the 9th. Hey, what you think I should do for my birthday? Hey, Chad, give me some idea because, you know, I don't. I don't celebrate. I'm not in the parties. Don't. Don't put me in no environment with a whole lot of people. I say a prayer at 11:59. I'm good. I gave me a cigar and I gave me some cups of coffee, and I'm good. I sit there and relax, you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm trampoline at 1158. 1201. I'm done. Right on time. Okay. Yep. That what I got for you. That's all I got, Ojo. That's all I got every day. 1201.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, it sounds that. It's unfortunate, man. I'm still. I'm still. I'm still not in a position where. Where I can partake in those activities, whether it be vertical or horizontal. So I'm. Let's see what I can do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you better. Hey, you better get right. Get right. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Hey, guys. Just checking in to say hello. With the new year around the corner, what's the game plan for 2025? Any big resolutions or goals? Nope. My only resolution. I ain't chasing lies. I'm gonna let y'all have it. Whatever y'all say. I am whatever y'all say. I did whatever. Intentional, unintentional, Whatever you say. I'm done. My grandma told me that said, boy, never chase a lie. I just know now. I just see it. I see what y'all write when I don't comment. It go away. Yeah, I ain't had no. I ain't giving y'all no more content. Produce all the content you want, but you will not get me following up. I'm done. That's my. My only resolution. 24 was great for us. 24 was one of the best years. Yeah, I had some setbacks. Yeah. I had some ups and downs, but it's been one of the best years. 25 is gonna be even better because it's gotten off. It's already gotten up to a great start. We got shows. We're gonna have the tour. We better understand how to do the tours. It's gonna be bigger and better. We're gonna go to more cities. But that's it. That's my only resolution. I am not. I am not chasing a lie. So I'll let y'all say what all y'all say. I see it. Do I see it? If I don't see it, somebody send it to me.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Lie, lie, lie. I ain't chasing the door. I'm not going to respond to it. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

So my new Year's resolution is. Is to not curse as much. You know, I'm in. I'm in therapy. I'm in counseling right now for my cursing. I like. I like cursing chat. You have to listen to me on why I like cursing. I feel that cursing is a sentence enhancer. You know, it's no different than when you cook and you add seasoning. It gives it flavor. So if I say, Unc, you know what, Unc, man, you my dog, man. I love you, man. You see, that sound good? But if I say, hey, you know what, man? I fucking love you, there's a difference in meaning and delivery and the way you say things. That's why I think curse words are so important. But I think I'm gonna try to trim back on it a little bit. I'm gonna trim back on it a little bit, and that's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good luck with that resolution. All right. Good luck with that. We're gonna get a lot of money. Black Ninja say, what's up? This is my fourth room. Ace town. Wink, wink. Can you please give me a big shout out to my nephew, Avery Helms, who graduated from TC Ash, Alma tcu. Ash's alma mater. He is an amazing young man, and a hell of a DB. We're also proud number 24. Oh, Joe. Yo, this is T. 4 room. H town. Wink, wink. So I guess you know who that is.

[Fred Warner]

24. I don't know, but I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, he say he, like, wing. Wing. Like you knew who he was, so I'm gonna take his word for it.

[Fred Warner]

He plays db?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, his nephew does.

[Fred Warner]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He graduated. He graduated. He graduated from tcu.

[Fred Warner]

Hey, Tennessee State. Tennessee State.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, he went there. He went to tc. Texas Christian.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, tcu.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he said, I guess he had met you at Houston at that room y'all went to.

[Fred Warner]

Man, I don't know what you're talking about, man. I can't remember, man. You know, I got cte. I can't remember now. I can't even remember shit from last week.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well. Well, tell your nephew Congratulations. That's a big. That's a. That's a big accomplishment, graduating from college. Yes, sir. No. How you figure? Can you please give a big shout out to my nephew, Avery Helms, who graduated from TCU Ash's alma mater. He's an amazing young man of db. I guess he's like. He met you because he's like, wink, wink.

[Fred Warner]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. You shouldn't put a wink in there. That kind of threw me off a little bit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he said this is T from. But no, I'm trying to. How does four come in? I guess he's like, he's T from.

[Fred Warner]

From.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I guess he's saying he's T from H town. Do you know any T from H town?

[Fred Warner]

Nah. I mean, I probably do. I don't know. I'm not. I'm just. I can't see a face, so it's hard. But you don't have a face, you know, to give you a better understanding of who it is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, hell, if you saw his face, obviously you know who it was. Ocho. But he can't. You can't see his face right now.

[Fred Warner]

Yeah, no, Yeah, I can do with that at home. But listen, I love you. I love you, homie, wherever you are, I appreciate you. I congratulate you to your nephew. Tell your nephew he can't cover me. He couldn't cover me in my prime. He couldn't cover me when I was born, and he can't cover me now. Let him know that. And if he wants some smoke, let me know. I'll come down to Houston with my cleats.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Avery, you can cover Ocho.

[Fred Warner]

She.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That concludes this edition of Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharpe. He is the Liberty City Legend, Binger Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Thank you guys for your support in 24. Continue support in 25. You started this thing off September 23rd and you've been so good to Ocho and I and all the Nightcap family. We can't thank you enough. Hopefully that continues in 25. Make sure you check out Shea by La Portier. We have it in stock. The holidays celebrate. We want to make sure you have a joyous end of 24 into 25. What better way to do that than with a bottle of Shea by laportier? If you can't find a bottle in a city or state near you, order it and we'll ship it directly to your door. So you had an opportunity to celebrate starting in 25 and in beyond. Please drink responsibly. Check out my media company on all of its platforms. That's Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, our newest release just dropped last month. We have got we got T shirts, sweats, as well as stocking stuffers such as Beanies and Koozies and mugs. Quantities are limited, so please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Everyone should have received their orders by now. Monday, Tuesday. Holiday was on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Hopefully you've received what you've ordered. It was to your liking and you know, just jump in the chat and let us know. We appreciate that. Tickets for the super bowl show in New Orleans, our first spring tour stop or on sale now. The link is pinned at the top of the chat. February 6th in New Orleans. Be there. You don't want to miss it. Got some great guests lined up for you already. We've been nominated for two Sports Podcast awards, Best American Football Podcast and Best Sports Comedy Podcast. Please go vote for us. The link is at the top of in the chat, pinned on our social pages and in our social bios. Ocho Commanders needed overtime, but they got it done. They walk it off. Jaden Daniels hit Zach Ertz for a touchdown as they win 30 to 24. Daniels was 24, 36, 227 and three touchdowns. Michael Pennix Jr. 19 of 35, 223 and one touchdown and an interception and a losing effort. The Vikings defeated the Packers 2725 and now they put themselves in position to be the number one seed with a win over Detroit last game of the season. What else we got here? Eagles clinch the NFC east title Saquon Barkley is now he went over 2,000 yards. He now has 2005 with 101 rush yards. On Sunday against the Giants, Saquon Barkley will have the greatest rushing season single season in NFL history, breaking Eric Dickerson records record of 2105 set in 1984 as they crushed the Cowboys 41 to 7. Who else did this? The Bills defeated the Jets 40 to 14. Aaron Rodgers had one of his worst days. Giants played themselves out of the number one overall pick with a 45:33 victory over the Indianapolis Colts. But the guy says we don't care about the number one pick. We try to set a culture. We're trying to win. We'll let the front office worry about that. The Dolphins kept their slim playoff hopes alive with a 23 victory over the Cleveland Browns. Now they need to win and get some help. The Raiders won back to back games for the first time this season with a 25:10 victory over the New Orleans Saints. But the story Brock Bowers set an NFL record for the most receiving yards by a tight end in his rookie season. Most catches by a tight end in his rookie season. Has a has a chance outside chance to break the NFL record held by zach Ertz of 116 catches. Brock Bowers now has 108 with nine catches. He'll have the single season record. Bucks defeated the Panthers 4814 behind a 350 plus yard passing day and five touchdowns by Baker Mayfield. They run rough shot over the Carolina Panthers. That concludes Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll join you. We'll see you tomorrow night after the 49ers and the Lions matchup. I'm up. He's Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Fred Warner]

Manana.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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