Nightcap Hour 2: LeBron ENJOYS Playing Game 7’s on ROAD + Jeremy Lin & Kobe Didn’t SPEAK for 5 MONTHS + Gil Areanas PRASIS Iso Joe + Pats RELEASE Stefon Diggs + Chiefs TRADE Trent McDuffie + Cardinals RELEASE Kyler Muarray

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2 (March 5, 2026)

Host: Shannon Sharpe (“Unk”), with Chad Ochocinco Johnson and Joe Johnson (“Iso Joe”)
Episode Theme: Lively, irreverent discussion of recent headlines in the NFL and NBA, player stories, and locker room culture, with a signature blend of sports insight, behind-the-scenes anecdotes, and playful banter.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the psychology of playing elimination games on the road vs. at home, the dynamic (and sometimes icy) relationships between teammates (featuring the Jeremy Lin & Kobe Bryant silent feud), and exclusive commentary on the day's biggest NFL moves. The conversation is rich with personal stories, debates about player mentality, praise for unsung NBA greats, talk of dreams guests for the Nightcap podcast, and a segment of audience listener questions and voicemails.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. LeBron Prefers Game 7s on the Road? (00:00–07:28)

• LeBron’s Mentality: Unk launches with a report that LeBron James prefers Game 7s on the road for the quiet, pressure-cooker environment—he hates the home crowd’s “oohs and ahhs.”
  • “Braun out here, he a little different, I think.” – Unk (00:38)
• Joe Johnson's View: Strongly disagrees, wanting Game 7 at home: “You give me a Game Seven...at home...I’m taking that all day long, for sure.” (00:18)
• Unk & Ocho’s Perspective: Unk reminisces about his championship games on the road vs. home, suggesting it's almost sweeter to silence a rival crowd than disappoint your own:
  • “If you lose at home, you got 80,000 disappointed fans. But if you win on the road, it’s something about sending those fans home disappointed…” (00:38)
• Ochocinco’s Playoff Record: Jokes about being a winner at life, but not in football:
  • “I ain’t really won nothing when it came to sporting events. But, Joe, I’m winning at life though...” – Chad Ochocinco (01:28)
• The Award Banter: Ongoing playful dispute over show plaques and awards. They joke about diamond YouTube plaques (ten million subscribers) and how to boost their numbers:
  • “We continue doing the outside stuff and doing other things nobody else is doing.” – Ochocinco (03:02)
  • Presidential guest jokes (Trump/Obama), and A-list, hard-to-get podcast guests—Drake, MJ, Travis Kelce’s fiancée, Beyoncé & Jay-Z—debated for possible guest spots (03:33–06:54).

2. Crossover Anecdotes and Locker Room Culture (07:28–14:59)

• Super Bowl and Playoffs Experience: Unk details his playoff/super bowl experiences (mostly away games), Ochocinco laments his two NFL playoff runs in 13 years, focusing on how he kept it fun to deal with losing.
• Notable NBA/NFL Networking: Who’s the most famous person in your phone? Hilarious one-upmanship: Denzel Washington, Ice Cube, Tim Cook, Snoop, Ross, Kanye.
• Path to Podcast Growth: Idea: Bad Bunny’s reach, Travis Kelce’s fiancée, crossing over audiences for Nightcap.

3. Jeremy Lin & Kobe Bryant: The 5-Month Freeze (14:59–21:47)

• Jeremy Lin’s Story: Exclusive clip—Lin describes texting Kobe over a miscommunication in-game (over fouling), resulting in five months of no communication:
  • “I really don’t appreciate the body language—and so...he came back with a sharp response...We didn’t speak for the next five months.” – Jeremy Lin (16:09)
• The Kobe/Jordan Mentality: Discussion about why transcendent players like Kobe and Jordan are often combative, and why you can’t take their tone personally:
  • “At the end of the day...let’s not lose sight that I’m a man. If you don’t stand up for yourself, they’ll run over you.” – Unk (21:16)
  • “Kobe’s trying to win—damn your feelings. I’m trying to win.” – Unk (20:23)

4. Iso Joe’s Praise & Candid Reflections (25:16–27:51)

• Gilbert Arenas Praises Joe Johnson: Arenas admits Joe was an enigma in pre-draft workouts—under-the-radar, then suddenly electric:
  • “He had one of the most complicated shooting guard packages of our era. If I say one player I didn’t read well, it was probably Joe Johnson.” – Gilbert Arenas (25:41)
• Joe’s Retrospective: Shares nerves (and haze) from NBA workout with Wizards (with MJ present), knowing he wouldn’t go #1 due to need for a big man.

5. NFL Big Moves Recap & Analysis

a) Stefon Diggs Released by Patriots (31:00–33:29)

• Discussion on why the Pats let Diggs go—combination of off-field distractions and the team's tendency to avoid them:
  • “For me, personally, I could be totally off, but I think the constant…nah, this ain’t what we’re looking for.” – Unk (31:55)
  • Ochocinco speculates Diggs could sign with Baltimore: “Don’t be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore. Just know I said it first.” (32:28)

b) Chiefs Trade Trent McDuffie to Rams (33:41–37:50)

• Unk predicted the trade, compliments Chiefs for helping key players land where they want, discusses roster construction and cap logic:
  • “You can make moves like this because he [Mahomes] can make up for the absence of not having a great DB.” – Chad Ochocinco (35:04)

c) Kyler Murray Released by Cardinals (41:33–45:38)

• The group discusses where Kyler might fit—Miami, New York, or Minnesota. They prefer a pocket passer for Minnesota to maximize weapons; think Murray is a better stylistic fit for Miami.

d) Running Back Value Discussion (38:44–40:41)

• They hash over the decreasing market value of NFL running backs—“You have to be extremely special for you to hold any kind of value at the running back position in this day and age.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Kobe Bryant’s Mentality:
  “You just have to look at everything and say, whatever he says to me is not personal. You gotta start with that premise. Cuz the tone in which they talk to you, you’re like…at the end of the day, I understand. You’re Kobe. You’re the black Mamba. But let’s not lose sight that I’m a man.” – Unk (17:40–18:06)

• On Locker Room Dynamics:
  “The great ones don’t care. They put in so much work to be who they are, they ain’t trying to hear that...As long as we winning, we cool.” – Joe Johnson (19:15–20:31)

• About Chiefs Trading McDuffie:
  “You can make moves like this because he can make up for not having a great DB like Mr. McDuffie on the defensive side.” – Chad Ochocinco (35:04)

• Joe Johnson on his NBA moment:
  “I knew they taking a big...ain’t none of us going number one…we just in here wasting damn time.” (26:38)

• On the NBA's Evolving Player Fashion:
  “It’s like a runway now. This is how guys are building their brand, you know?” – Unk (29:16)

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Fun & Lighthearted Moments

• Ocho’s Dancing/Stripping Past (10:16–11:58):
  Ochocinco shares how he met Chris Brown while crump dancing, and even admits to stripping at LA’s “Right Track” under the stage name “Twix” (because he was “small and had veins everywhere”).

• ‘Most Famous in Your Phone’ Game (12:23–14:43):
  Denzel Washington, Ice Cube, Tim Cook are all flexed as top contacts. Ocho: “He always keeps these two fingers clean” (classic Ocho joke, 53:51).

• SGA’s Fashion Fits (28:16–30:15):
  They roast Shai Gilgeous-Alexander for his post-game “Pomeranian” look, but agree he’s king of NBA street style.

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Audience Interaction & Listener Questions (45:45+)

• Discord Video Voicemails: Fans weigh in on future basketball showdowns between hosts, drop inside jokes, and spark fresh debates.
• NBA: Best Shooting Guards List:
  • Joe’s top 3: MJ, Kobe, Dwyane Wade (Harden at #5).
• NFL: Start/Bench/Drop WRs:
  • Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Tony—debates ensue.
• Older NBA Players: Discussion on legends like McDyess, Sharif Abdur-Rahim, Sean Kemp.

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Additional NFL News Bites

• Patriots, Chiefs, Cardinals Moves: Quick breakdowns of major trades, releases, and organizational philosophies.
• RB “Devaluation”:
  Discussion on why most backs don’t get 2nd big contracts unless they’re “special, special” (McCaffrey, Henry, etc).
• Niners’ Outlook: Optimism that health will revive their title shot (61:36).

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Memorable Banter

• Who could bring 10 million subscribers?—Trump wins the trolling contest, but ultimately, the hosts realize it’s about authenticity and original content.
• Mechanic joke:
  “How do you know if a mechanic has a girlfriend? He always keeps these two fingers clean.” (53:51) – Ocho.

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Closing Remarks (68:00+)

• Ochocinco plugs his soccer podcast “The Late Run” (Rick Ross episode out tomorrow).
• Unk promotes his cognac, My Shade by LaPortier, and shouts-out the Nightcap crew.
• Appreciation for listeners and encouragement to subscribe, with trademark Nightcap warmth and camaraderie.

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Summary Table of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | Highlight/Quote | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00-07:28 | Game 7: Home vs. Road (LeBron story) | “I want my Game 7 at home” – Joe; “Braun out here, he a little different” – Unk | | 14:59-21:47 | Jeremy Lin & Kobe feud | “We didn’t speak for the next five months” – Jeremy Lin | | 25:16-27:51 | Gil Arenas on Iso Joe/ NBA draft | “One of the most complicated shooting guard packages of our era” – Arenas| | 31:00-33:29 | Patriots Release Stefon Diggs | “I won’t be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore” – Ochocinco | | 33:41-37:50 | Chiefs Trade Trent McDuffie | “Andy and Brett do a great job…they try to put you in the best situation” – Unk| | 41:33-45:38 | Cardinals to Release Kyler Murray | “The one that I would like him to go to the best—you know, Minnesota” – Unk| | 45:45-51:29 | Listener Q&A (NBA/NFL debates) | “You got to start one, you got to bench one, you got to drop one” | | 61:36+ | Niners’ Title Outlook | “When those dudes get healthy…the Niners gonna be back in the running” |

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Final Thoughts

This episode is classic Nightcap: stories, debates, and laughs from stars who’ve lived the locker room life. It’s rich with insight for diehard fans, but delivered with a light touch and plenty of heat between co-hosts. Outstanding for anyone who wants a pulse on today’s NBA/NFL, or loves the inside game.

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For a full rundown of key quotes and topics, see the summary table above, or scan timestamps for your favorite league or player. If you only have time for one section, don’t miss Jeremy Lin’s honest Kobe story (14:59–21:47) or the NFL reactions (31:00–39:09).

Transcript

[Unk]

LeBron report reportedly prefers playing Game Sevens on the road. Rich said LeBron always used to tell me, I don't want to play game seven at home. I'd rather be on the road because I'd rather hear less oohs and ahs. Joe, did you feel the same way? Would you rather play a Game seven on the road as opposed to at home?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, I want to. I want my game 7 to be at home. Now, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind going into, you know, hostile environment. Everybody up. Now, I enjoy that. It is no better feeling than that. But, boy, you give me a Game seven, you get to tell me I'm at home. Yeah, I'm taking that all day long, for sure. You know, Braun out here, he a

[Unk]

little different, I think. You know what? It all depends because I've been in both situations, Ocho, where, you know, you've had a championship game at home, and I had two championship games on the road. The only thing I hate to say about playing at home is that if you lose at home, you got 80, 000 disappointed fans. But if you went on the road, it's something about being able to send those fans home disappointed as opposed to going home disappointed. Ain't no great opinion. Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh in the AFC Championship game, beating the Raiders in Oakland in the AFC champion. Oh, my goodness.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's not fair, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't never got a chance to experience nothing un. Talk about.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe. I ain't won nothing outside of Madden, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. He ain't winning high school with none.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, high school. We was mediocre, Joe. We was all right. We wasn't all that, Joe. But that's crazy. I ain't really won when it comes to sporting events. I ain't really won nothing when it came to sporting events. But, Joe, I'm winning that life, though. That's about it.

[Unk]

All the war we don't want with Nightcap.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's why I say that. Hey. That's why I say I'm winning in life.

[Unk]

As a matter of fact, you don't got your signal awards. They ain't got me, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got my.

[Unk]

Who. Oh, my bad. You. Oh, my bad. Oh, my. I misspoke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, what my. Hey, hey, hey.

[Unk]

My bad. My bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey. When you gonna send more wars, man? Matter of fact, you know what? Just hold up. Just hold on to him. Hold on to him. I misspoke.

[Unk]

I bespoke. I bespoke Cool.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, that had my awards, man. Ever since. Ever since ever.

[Unk]

We doing good, man. We don't go out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know we. I know we doing good. I would like to be able to show my kids that we doing good.

[Unk]

We don't won, like, like four. Four signal awards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, well, what am I for at.

[Unk]

You got them. Got him. Well, you got your million plaque. You got your hundred thousand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, my plat. My plaque's right there behind me.

[Unk]

Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

hold on. Let me. Let me zoom in. Let me zoom in on my flex.

[Unk]

Hey, hey, Ocho, we might be on a little bit more while to get to that tent, to get to that diamond plaque.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, diamond. How many is that? We had to do some. We had to do some craziness. We got to do something. We got to do, you know. You know what's gonna get to that 10 million, though, honestly, is that that outside stuff. We. We continue doing the outside stuff and. And doing other things that nobody else is doing.

[Unk]

I know how else we can get to 10 million, too. I have President Trump. Come on. Oh, we. I guarantee you. I guarantee you we'll get 10 million subs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey, boy, we'll piss a lot of people off, boy. You do that, boy. Hey, who. I mean, I'm trying to think maybe Obama. Obama.

[Unk]

No, we'll get some subs, but not like. I mean, you talking about it got to be somebody.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It got to be controversial.

[Unk]

It got some controversial president.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

I mean, and the only person he's probably been. I think he's been on with Tucker Carlson. He's been on with Joe Rogan. I think he's been on with. So he doesn't go on a whole lot of pods.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he don't go on a whole

[Unk]

lot of the McAfee.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you notice the difference in all them and us?

[Unk]

Okay? That's how it's gonna get us 10 million. That's how he gonna get us 10 million.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Unk]

Oh, no. But what else we got? You got the synopsis award.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, just. Just hold my wars for me. Let, let, let. When all my work is done, then we get. We?

[Unk]

Yeah. Your office, Jordan. First of all, your office was supposed to be done. I ain't sending them to the office is done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know. That's what I just said.

[Unk]

You said office C. You got this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's nice. I ain't got that.

[Unk]

Ash.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't send me none. Don't nobody who don't nobody got my new address.

[Unk]

Maybe the person that was that old address kept it. Hey, yeah, this was 2024.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God damn. That long ago.

[Unk]

The first year we had it, we got it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man. Hey, well, let me. Send me that one.

[Unk]

You got it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, hey, hey, man, what else? I ain't got that, man. You know, they probably threw anything got to do with me away, so you send me that one.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, Joe. It'd be like that sometime, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I already know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's all good.

[Unk]

We got to get a BET Award and an NAACP Image Award. We got. We're gonna win Night Nightcap gonna win. We gotta get. Let's see who else we can get on to get some views. Drake.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Drake don't really do. No, that's why.

[Unk]

That's why he won't get the views. That's why.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right. I'm trying.

[Joe Johnson]

I hit him up, man. I'm gonna hit Draco for y', all, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What about. Hey, what about Jordan?

[Unk]

Oh, yeah, but Jordan. Jordan do less than anybody. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Mj.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he don't really sit down like that either. I'm trying to think. That's basically. It's only a few people bringing that.

[Unk]

I tell you who else can get some awards, could get some views, too. Who? Travis Kelsey, fiance.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, That's. That's different. Yeah, that. That would be. That would. That would be a completely different. Different audience in general.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Unk]

See? Cause, like, B and Hov, they don't really. They don't really do. I mean. Oh, absolutely not. I mean, for Hov to sit down, he gotta really know you and really, really trust you. Yeah, yeah, he gotta.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And I don't. I don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's my man, bro. That's my man.

[Unk]

Y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All Let me reach out the hole.

[Unk]

Yeah, sure.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. I got.

[Unk]

Y' all say, look, chill.

[Joe Johnson]

I think. Y' all think. Y' all think because I've been hanging around Ocho, I'm lying and all that. Let me reach out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chill, Joe.

[Unk]

Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. But no, the biggest game at all. I mean, the thing is. I mean, like I said, being on the road, I mean, most of my playoff games, we. We've been on the road and we've won.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Obviously, the super bowl is a neutral location, but it's on the road. It ain't your building, it's not theirs, but it's still a road game. Even though it's a neutral location, it's on the road. So you figure three Super Bowls, two AFC championship games, that's five. Two divisional games, that's seven. So seven or 13 games that I've won. I've been on the road, so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you've been in the playoffs before, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, a few times.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you ain't never played in the playoffs in the NFL?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Just twice, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What happened?

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I only had two winning seasons in 13 years, Joe.

[Unk]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's why I had to have so much fun, so I wouldn't be mentally stressed. Joe. Right.

[Joe Johnson]

I get you. I get you. I get you. No, but you and you.

[Unk]

Oh, we're gonna get bad. We're gonna reach out to Bad Bunny, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay? Okay. I know. Hey, I know. Jay Balvin.

[Unk]

Try anything?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I don't know if that's. I mean, I'm not sure. I mean, how that compares to Bad Bunny.

[Unk]

I'm. I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's. He's still up there like that, though.

[Unk]

Not Bad Bunny. You see the thing bad bunny did 4. 4 billion views the Super Bowl. 4.1 billion.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Unk]

That's why he was up there. If you're like, well, I don't know why he was up there. Now you know. Now you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, who. And the thing about this. This is the funny thing about it. Super bowl is in LA next year, right? Now. Who in the hell can you get for super bowl next year that can top what Bad Bunny did, huh?

[Unk]

Taylor. Ah, don't think that's a good one. She said, you know, hey, her and Jay. Her and Jay Z and their teams are in community are. Are in constant communication. That is the first call they make every year. I promise you, whether you like it or not, this or that, I get all that. I see. Yeah, I see you. I'm telling you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Unk]

But I. If she doesn't do it, Ocho, I don't know who you're going to get. I. I don't. I don't know. Yeah, but guess what? I don't give a damn who they get. I'm watching,

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Unk]

Hey, he lived there. Yeah, In Tarzana.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Tarzana. What's that?

[Unk]

CB

[Joe Johnson]

Chris Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I. Not. I could text cb. Cb. Cb.

[Unk]

I could text him, too, but they ain't got nothing. We ain't got no pool with the Super Bowl. Yeah, I can text him, like, hey, bro, can you. Come on, Nightcap? Can you give us five minutes on Nightcap? Hell, I can text it, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, he'll give us 10. He'll give us 10, uncle. He'll give us 10. I. I taught you. See you. I. Y' all don't even know, right? When I used to live in, in la, Joe, and. Huh. Yeah, you know, I used to. I used to. I used to be a crumper. I used to crump dance.

[Joe Johnson]

You used to. You do all that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I met. That's how I met Chris years ago. I was young.

[Joe Johnson]

You were trying to be a background dance or something?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, Nah. You know, birthday parties, birthday party. I used to be.

[Unk]

I be.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you. Oh, you like. Okay, I see what you got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. That's how I met Chris Brown years ago. This, When I was in LA. This, like back in. This back.

[Unk]

This.

[Chad Ochocinco]

97, 98, you know, made me a little change, yo.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And then that's when. That's when after that, it wasn't enough money. That's when I went to the little, the little stripping part of my life, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. And you ain't know. You ain't know that, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I ain't know. You used to strip and all that, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I used to dance. I dance from 98 to 99, Joe, at the right track in LA.

[Joe Johnson]

So, like, they call you to, like, come do these birthday parties and stuff like that, and you come show out

[Chad Ochocinco]

for the women sometimes. Hey, Joe, you ever heard, you heard of dancing bear parties? Yeah, yeah, they used to call me. Yeah, I used to do those. I used to do that at Right Track. You know, my stage name was Twix, was Twigs. Yeah, Because I was small and I had veins everywhere. Hey, Joe, I, I. Joe, I'm telling you, I had to make. I had to make the honest living, Joe. I had to pay for books, I had to pay for tuition, it had to pay for classes.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I had to make it as me, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

They weren't giving no nil back then.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, absolutely not.

[Unk]

What was it on this, Jordan? Could they see the.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What that is? Huh?

[Unk]

Jordan zooming in.

[Joe Johnson]

Say breezy breeze. Say breezy. He said he got breezing number, man.

[Unk]

He. I don't gotta lie. I do not have to lie by anything.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, uncle, who the most famous person in your phone? Hey, that's a good.

[Unk]

I don't have to lie. Y' all lie to get attention. I don't have to lie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Unk]

Not what y' all said now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, who the most famous person in your phone, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Probably Ice Cube.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me see. Most. Okay, here, go. Here go, man. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, Joe, what's up? Hold on. Let me see if y' all can see this. Well, I'm Block. I'm blocking the number out.

[Unk]

Oh, who you. Oh,

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see it?

[Unk]

I'm assuming that's dw, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn, how you make it zoom in?

[Unk]

You just. It has to focus.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Denzel Washington. That's. That's. That's my fat. That's. That's my first. My most famous person.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Let's see.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm trying to think who else got

[Unk]

Cube, Snoop, P. I got sn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, Ross. What about. I'm talking about famous. Famous. I had Kanye, but I don't. He. He changed. Hey, hey. I don't know what that. I don't know what, bro. I don't know what bro you going through, man,

[Unk]

to see why you laughing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, boy, you here? Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm trying to think.

[Unk]

Every comedian that's been on my podcast.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I know. Hey, I took. I took Mr. Cook number. We was at Apple.

[Unk]

Oh, Tim Cook.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Does that. Does that count? No.

[Unk]

Hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't never buy. Hey, I ain't never bothered him.

[Unk]

You like me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I. I have a. Hey.

[Unk]

Mainly, like, I just. I don't call them. I just DM them. Why don't you just call, like, nah, bro, I want to bother you like that. I just say, yeah. So we got a pretty good list. Jeremy Lynn says he and Kobe went months without talking after confronting him about his leadership style. Let's take a listen to what Jeremy Lynn had to say.

[Jeremy Lynn]

He had. He was. He was upset at me over something that I was actually trying to do, but the coach was telling me not to do it. And so he was like, no, don't. Like, don't foul him. I was like, no, we got foul, right? And so Kobe's like, foul. I was like, I know. I'm trying to, but I'm telling the coach, and the coach will tell me, don't foul. So then I'm like, I don't know what to do.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Lynn]

So it ended up being something where he had. He had given me really bad body language. So I texted him. This is. And we couldn't. Like, me and him, like, when we would lose, we'd be up at, like, 3, 4 in the morning, just not able to sleep. Just very competitive.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So we.

[Unk]

We.

[Jeremy Lynn]

I texted him, and I was like, hey, man. Like, I really don't appreciate the body language. And.

[Joe Johnson]

And.

[Jeremy Lynn]

And so. And he. And he, you know, he came back with a sharp response, and then I went back at him. But my. But it ended. It ended cordial, where I ended up saying. I was like, I'm not saying that you can't teach me. You're obviously like, a hundred times the player I am. I want to learn anything and everything I can from you. I'm just asking, can you just say, you know, and do it in a way that's, like, respectful to me as a man?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Jeremy Lynn]

And so he was like, all right, I got you. And then he sent over a text with a. With some advice. He's like, let's start with this. I was like, I got you. I'm going be focused on that. I'm be working on this. I'm thinking on this of exactly what you're saying. I'm just trying to get better. I'm trying to help this team more. We didn't speak for the next five months.

[Jordan]

Damn.

[Unk]

I know.

[Jeremy Lynn]

You already know where it's like.

[Unk]

Yeah, it was.

[Jeremy Lynn]

It was like, for him, it was. And he. He even talked about. Because we.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We.

[Jeremy Lynn]

We patched up later, but he had talked about, like, he's not used to people challenging him. And I wasn't challenging him like, I'm better than you and I'm smarter than you. I was only challenging him like, hey, can you teach me in a way that's a little bit more effective for me to process it? It's not versus not, like, talking down to me,

[Chad Ochocinco]

hey, Uncle Joe. Kobe different, man. Kobe different. He's an animal. He's a student of the game. So I can understand it in. In a sense. I've never played basketball a day in my life, especially at that level. But from the outside, looking in for the fruit interactions I've had with Kobe and understanding. I can totally see him and understand exactly what Jerry. Jeremy. Jeremy Lynn had to go through. That.

[Joe Johnson]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's crazy. And who else? The only other person I could think that is probably like that as well would probably be Michael Jordan mentality. The way they carry themselves, you know, they're not friendly at all. And in anything. Anything that is combative to them, in any situation where it has to do with basketball in general, they see it as a challenge.

[Unk]

Yeah. You just have to look at everything and says, whatever he says to me is not personal. You gotta start with that premise. Because if you don't start with that premise. Cause the tone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Unk]

In which they talk to you, you're like, yes. And what did he say? Can you give it to me in a way that is respectful to me as a man?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You're right.

[Unk]

At the end of the day, I understand. You're Kobe. You're the black Mamba.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Unk]

But let's not lose sight that I'm a man. So if that's the thing, you know what he just tried to teach me, it's not personal because, I mean, it's the tone in which they talk. Tone has a lot to do with it, Ocho, because, you know, like, your mom or your grandma could, like, they say something in the tone lets you know the seriousness that they were dead ass.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unk]

You know, but, hey, I got my famous thing, boy. Don't make me hurt you.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Unk]

Hey, when she. If she ever uttered those words, you know, granny was dead. For real? For real.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. Serious.

[Joe Johnson]

And typically, the great ones, they don't

[Unk]

even give a damn if you take

[Joe Johnson]

it personal or not.

[Unk]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? Just 100. Like, they don't care nothing about that. Like. Like he said, man, they ain't speak for five months. You think Kobe lost some sleep behind that, right? No. Five months. Can you imagine? Can you imagine your teammate coming in, Ocho, he don't even speak to you, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Because I've heard this happening on numerous occasions. He ain't the first one that said this.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

The great ones don't care. They put in so much work, bro, to be who they are. They ain't trying to hear that.

[Unk]

Yeah. I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm trying to think, is there anybody

[Unk]

on the team that. That would. Because normally they're going to break it up. Unless. Unless they're, like, just two supreme players. Obviously. Obviously, you know, you. You. You ride it out as long as you can, because if you're winning, Ocho, the last thing. And Joe, you know this. The last thing you want to do is break up a winning formula. I don't know if y' all got. Were y' all old enough to remember when Coke changed the formula, they went to this secret formula. They had a secret. They had another formula, and they. Old Coke. Coke had another four. This had to be like, early 80s, man. The people complain so much they got rid of that formula. Hell, no. But normally it's a formula that's working. I don't think there was anything wrong with the original Coke. But, you know, you try to. You try some things, and, you know, you and it. And it didn't work. But I can say. And I agree with you, Joe. I can see this like, Kobe. Kobe's trying to win. Damn your feelings. I'm trying to win.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

As long as we win, we cool.

[Unk]

We ain't winning.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I got an attitude.

[Unk]

Whatever. Yes. Yeah. Ocho. Remember I told you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

They don't lose. They don't win no games. Don't feed them.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Unk]

Do it out. They don't need to eat.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta earn your meal.

[Unk]

But if.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, man, that's great players, man.

[Unk]

You gotta. Hey, everybody can't. Everybody can't play with Kobe. Everybody couldn't play with Jordan. You. You can't. And you definitely can't take anything they say, person, because it eat you up. And then you end up wanting to. Want to come to blows with the man every day, practice. But I mean, like. But you got to stand up for yourself, because they're the two. If you don't stand up for yourself, they run over you Now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Unk]

You got to stand up for yourself. Because at the end. At the end of the day, no matter how great you are, no matter how bad, how small I am, guess what? I am a man.

[Joe Johnson]

A man.

[Unk]

Yes, a man. Don't. Don't. Don't lose sight of that. Hey, and I might not have a wife, and I might not have kids or anything like that, but I'm still a man. And so J said. But I. I told him. Okay, we start with that. That man ain't speaking for me for five months.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's how you know how serious.

[Unk]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Savage, man. Savage.

[Unk]

Joe, you ever had a teammate to challenge you

[Joe Johnson]

to challenge me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got one now.

[Joe Johnson]

No, not. Not like what you saying, like in a confrontational way. Nah, nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you got one now, though.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't even know what you. You don't even. You don't even know what you setting yourself up for. You know, I'm one of them. I'm one of them cats. You keep talking. The more you talk, the more you piss me off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, Joe, I don't care. Hey, Joe, this me. All I do is talk. My career is built off talking. And the more pissed off ain't gonna do nothing but make me play better, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

And the more pissed off I am, the hell you gonna have to pay, boy. You don't even know it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's fine. Hey, Joe, you gonna have to show

[Joe Johnson]

me I ain't got no problem.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna have to show me. And I know you're not from Missouri.

[Joe Johnson]

You. I ain't got no problem doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna have to show me. And I know you're not from Missouri, my boy.

[Unk]

I put that thing on Joe at the lawn club. Oh, you remember? You remember he's feeling some type of way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, I did.

[Unk]

I remember.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you See, after that first game, then he threw. He threw the ball over there. Talking about losers go first. Yeah, I took that to heart. I went berserk after that. I went berserk.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I lost it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, uncle, you know how I'm gonna get Joe? You know how I know he gonna.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He gonna.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He gonna fold right under pressure.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause he ain't never had nobody in his ear like me, right? And then he really gonna fold when them cameras rolling? Because when the camera's rolling, it's. That's when I show up.

[Joe Johnson]

Didn't you just see what happened when the camera was rolling in New York?

[Unk]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Didn't you just see what happened when the camera was rolling?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We doing stuff I never done before.

[Joe Johnson]

You see?

[Unk]

You forgot. You don't forget. There you go. See what you started. See, O.C. what I'm talking about.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time y' all forget, every time y' all forget, I'mma remind you, okay?

[Unk]

Now, keep on if you want to.

[Joe Johnson]

Ocho, I'm telling you, boy. Cash now. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I don't even write check. Cause they gonna bounce. Okay?

[Unk]

Don't talk about, oh, letting you know, let's let him have Ocho. Let him have his mom.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, I try to be cool, I'll

[Chad Ochocinco]

let him have it.

[Joe Johnson]

I try to be cool. I really don't even bring it up.

[Unk]

I.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, but the people. You know what I'm saying? I already know they vouching for your boy Ocho. He ain't number the instigator, bro. You go, hey, boy, I'm coming to Miami. I'm talking about when I come to Miami, partner. Boy, ain't gonna be nothing nice, you hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where you want to play at? You want to play outside? You want to play inside? Because I pack and let us use the gym.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we going to the Miami Heat facility.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Yeah, they're gonna let me use it. Yeah, they're gonna let me use it. And we're gonna have every camera on in there so we get every angle. I don't want to hear no excuses.

[Joe Johnson]

No, don't threaten me with no good time, baby. I'm down for whatever.

[Unk]

Yeah, but that's all right, Joe. We gonna be back outside. This meal be healthy.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I already told y'. All, if the last time y' all seen me, I was 60, 65. This time I'm gonna be 95 to 100, man. Y' all ain't got a chance.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What that mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What that mean? Okay, you being 95 to 100, and I'm 95, Tony, you put your pants on one leg at a time, just like me. What you saying?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, all right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, what you saying?

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Unk]

Gil had quite the praise for you, Joe, on Derrick White's podcast. Take a listen. What he had to say.

[Joe Johnson]

Who is it?

[Unk]

Or Joe Johnson.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm working on.

[Unk]

Joe was in Wizards. They was bringing people to work out, and I was in there with a workout, and I'm watching his mannerisms. I'm like, why is everybody saying he's special? I couldn't see it whatsoever when he got dragons. Hey, what the hell is here? So I'm like, all right, you're on my hit list for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

So that's one of the reasons I kind of, like, don't like them. Because that draft process, when he went to Atlanta, I saw Joe, I was, like, bored. I was sitting here like, how did they see this? Like, where was it the last four years? And it was weird because in Boston, he was like, yeah, I. I knew he wasn't good. When I seen him, like, they put the ball in his hand, it became more like a point. I was like, oh, so cold. Oh, he's wicked. Really wicked. He had one of the most complicated shooting guard packages of our era. If I say one player, I didn't read them. Well, it was probably Joe Johnson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. It's some. It's some. Nice words, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good words.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I appreciate Gil for that. But here's what I tell y' all about that. I remember this like it was yesterday. We worked out for the Wizards. They had the number one pick. I know I ain't going number one. Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That was Kwame Brown. That was Kwame one one.

[Unk]

They was looking for a big man.

[Joe Johnson]

But the fact, you know, you go work out for the Wizards, MJ gonna be there. MJ working us out, taking us through. So that was my first time getting a chance to meet mj. So that's why that. That. That workout was so special. But I couldn't even tell y' all what we did in the workout, bro. I ain't gonna lie. Cause I wasn't that engaged. Like, man, they got all these perimeter dudes in here. Ain't none of us going number one. Yeah, we just in here wasting damn time.

[Unk]

You knew they were gonna take a big joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I knew they taking a big. They had. I think they had Jed Stackhouse, MJ coming back. I think they had Rip Hamilton. I'm like, man, you're exactly right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, hold on. Who was the big.

[Unk]

They took Kwame.

[Joe Johnson]

Kwame Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was nice, huh?

[Unk]

He was. He was.

[Joe Johnson]

He. Yeah, he was nice. He was a big boy out of high school.

[Unk]

6 11, could run, could do it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

6 11.

[Unk]

6 11, straight out of high school. 18 years old. He was phenomenal. He just went. He already had the body situation. You see you okay? Remember how we talked about Kobe and Jordan and how they talk? Yes, sir. That was a situation he should have went to. They needed.

[Joe Johnson]

They needed somebody.

[Unk]

They needed somebody 24, 25 years of age, not a kid.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, okay, I agree.

[Unk]

And. And. And, you know, they don't. They didn't run plays for him. He's like, okay, you know, you won't. You want the ball? Get it off the glass. Yeah. So. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Damn, that's tough.

[Unk]

Ocho. Joe SGA pulled up the post game interview with one of the wildest fits of all time. Let's take a look at what SGA did.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What the hell? S. Hey, SGA look like a Pomeranian, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, sj. That took style to a whole new level.

[Unk]

They go too far now. Come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

They took it to a whole new level. Hey, you got to put some time into this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it's cold out there. Okc.

[Joe Johnson]

No, they was in New York.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, it's cold out there. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, He. He might. He might be the most. I don't want to say the most stylish. He's the most stylish streetwear fashion person probably in the NBA. You got other people that can. That can dress, you know, but not. Not street fashion. But when it comes to street fashion, I would assume he has the best style when it comes to street wear.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. When it comes to putting it on. Yeah.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, them boy be putting it on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I was Swiss, sue, shouting.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I was. Switch through shorty. Oh, Joe. Hey, look, I like to be comfortable, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, right, right, right.

[Joe Johnson]

No, we live.

[Unk]

We.

[Joe Johnson]

We in a different era now. It's like a Runway. Going to the games, walk into the game. It's like a Runway now.

[Unk]

It is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it is.

[Unk]

Absolutely is. It absolutely is. I mean, this is how guys are building their brand, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Unk]

You know, brands are trying to. You. And you see now, guys, more of these guys are going to fashion shows. You see them showing up at Louis Vuitton. You see them showing up at these fashion shows. Oo. And. And you see Jetta and You see Chase and you see Joe, Joey B. And you see all these guys going to the fashion thing where that was just a decade ago. That was unheard of.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Right.

[Unk]

Now, hell, every NBA player, not every, but, you know, a lot of them show up to these fashion shows, whether it's in Paris, whether it's in New York, Fashion Week in New York. A lot of these guys show up, and it's, It's, It's. It's. It's interesting to see, you know, everything ain't my style. You know, hey, the thing that they can. You can wear at 28, she can't wear it. 38, 48. Hell, I'm about to be 58. I ain't never. Look here.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, look, I. I enjoy. I wouldn't wear a lot of the stuff, but I do enjoy watching those guys come in, you know, with. With their stuff on.

[Unk]

I agree.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I just thought about, man, what's that? Hey, Uncle Joe, Like Paris Fashion Week. I should be. I should be a Runway model.

[Unk]

You too. You too big.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I look like one, huh?

[Unk]

Too big? You too big.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can lose some weight. I lose some weight, man.

[Unk]

You. Have you ever seen, like, a real. A real life. One of those people, like, really? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They real small. They skinny.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta eat cabbage every day.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, my bad.

[Unk]

Yeah, you gotta be 135, 140.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no.

[Unk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Your ribs gotta be basically, boy.

[Unk]

Yeah. After making a run to the super bowl, the New England Patriots and veteran wide receiver Stefan Diggs are parting ways. The Patriots have reportedly informed Diggs that. That he will be released at the start of the new year next week, just one year after he signed a three year, $69 million deal with the team.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold up.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Now he. I. I thought. I thought he done a great job in the locker room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Superb.

[Joe Johnson]

I thought. I thought he was great being available when he played. Like, you know, he balled out a good veteran president in the locker room. What's up? What's going on?

[Unk]

I think that the distractions off the field is too much for them. Now, all this, everything is an allegation. None of. None of it has been proven. But I just think he. For the, for that. Ocho, you played in that organization, and even though the coach isn't there that coached you, the principles still apply.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Unk]

I think that for me, personally, I could be wrong. I could be totally off. But I think. I just think the constant and that. I think it just. It's like, nah, this is not what we're looking for.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Probably too much. I mean also that too obviously NFL, most teams, they're going younger too. I mean, I think Dig Diggs had a great season. Joe, he had a thousand, he had a thousand yard season. He's gonna get picked up, he's gonna be somewhere else. I won't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore. I'm just throwing it out there right now. Being that that's not too far from not mistaken.

[Unk]

He's from Maryland.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dmv. Yeah, he from the DMV area. So don't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore. Just know I said it first. And every time I say something on the show, for some reason I'm always right and it. But that's neither here nor there. But he had a good season last night. True leader. He had.

[Unk]

He, he played well. He did what they brought him there to do. I thought he did a great job. Look, I, I thought he did a great job of catching the ball. I thought he did a great job with Drake May. I thought he, you know, he didn't have any bad mannerisms when he was on the field. He wasn't pounding on the sideline, he wasn't loafing on the field. I loved everything, I loved everything about what he was doing on the field. And hey, whatever happened with his relationship, I, I don't, I don't care anything about that. I wish both of them the best. If they're together, stay together. If not, that's okay too. But I, I just think knowing the Patriots and, and that organization, how they, yeah. If it ain't football related, they ain't trying to hear about it.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Yeah, he got some juice left though. I know he does.

[Unk]

AB Absolutely. And you got to think about it, that was that. So now he's going to get another year. So he'll be two years removed, Ocho, from the acl. So he should be better.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Better than he was this year.

[Unk]

Yeah, I totally agree with that. Chiefs trade Trent McDuffie to the Rams. The Chiefs get the 26, 2026 first round pick, which is their pick because you know they have two first round picks. They got one of those, they got Atlanta's first round pick. They get a 2026 first pick, fifth round pick, a 2026 sixth round pick, and a 2027 third round pick for Trent McDuffie. Services. Ocho, we talked about this. Remember we talked about this. I said, oh, I'm not gonna be surprised.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you was right.

[Unk]

I'm not gonna be surprised.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You was right.

[Unk]

Based on, based on what they have what they need, knowing they can't pay him. And the thing that I like about him, they asked him a couple of weeks ago or maybe a month ago if he were to get traded, where would he like to go? He's a Cali kid. He said, I guess I'd like to go back to the Rams back home. Jerry, Steve, where did they turn him? Tennessee Titans got the big contract. That's one thing. You can say whatever you want to say about the Chiefs, but Andy and Brett, they do a great job. When you play and do what you're supposed to, they will try to put you in the best situation to help you considering what you've done to help them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But damn, yeah, that's a good thing. Most of the time you don't, you don't have owners, you don't have head coaches that operate in that manner and understand the value that you bring and that value that you do have. We can't reciprocate what you've earned to this date, but we appreciate your services. We're going to allow you to go somewhere else and continue to blossom and we going to do what we need to do and, and fill whatever areas we need to. And one of the reasons, you know, they can do some of the things that they do un. Because they got one of the best players in the game, one of the best players to ever play this game. You can make moves like this because he can make up for the absence of not having a great DB like Mr. McDuffie is on the defensive side of the ball.

[Unk]

They did that with Tyreek Tyree. They say you got, you want to go to the jets or you want to go to Miami? Okay, put you in Miami. So. And knowing what they need, Ocho, they don't. Ocho, what do they need? A 30 million dollar corner in Kansas City. They got too many other needs. They got too many other needs. And so it just, it didn't come, it didn't come. You know, it became cost prohibitive and you know, obviously you we got got my homes base. I, I think they still needed, they need a running back. They need a running back. They need a receiver. I still believe they need a big time receiver. I, I just the little small guy. Oh, yo, they need, they need a stud. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I have a question. What's the chances the Kansas City Chiefs pick at number nine? If I'm not mistaken?

[Unk]

I think Jeremiah Love is there. They take him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I'm gonna say I Would. I would hope they climb up to go get him.

[Joe Johnson]

You think he gonna be there now?

[Unk]

I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely. Yeah. Boy.

[Unk]

I, I need those picks Ocho. I need those picks because I've neglected so long now I need, I need to put pieces around Patrick Mahomes. Plus he's coming off an injury, Ocho. Now we don't know if he's going to be able to start the season. I know that's his goal. His goal is to be able to start the season. But what if that's not his goal and moving forward.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Unk]

I could, could there be a situation he goes higher. Hell. Ashton Genti with sixth. Here's a guy that's more of a home run threat than Aston Genti a power back Now Ashton, Jenny, for a guy his size, he runs with great power, great leverage. But I love Jeremiah Love. I think that's what they need. But Kansas City just has too many holes to fill to pay a, to pay a corner to have a $30 million corner and a 30 million dollar D tackle and you got Karloftus making a boatload of money. You just gave the middle linebacker a boatload of money. So I'm not surprised based on their recent history and, and what they need and what it was going to cost for them to keep them and you know that's what happens when you draft and they've done a great job of drafting OO at some point you can't pay everybody. You just can't. You're going to have to let. It's the same thing with Woolen. You're going to have to let him go. You're going to have to let him go.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

And the only thing is is that you're not going to get compensation for him. I mean you get, you get, you'll get compensation because he'll go and you'll get a third round pick. But you can't trade him and get the value that you could got if you had his rights and traded him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Unk]

Cause you got the goose spoon and you got JSN coming and Amin Warren is going to be up in, in a year, two years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Hey he nice and we talked about this. I was like look, if you're prioritizing, K9 is on the bottom of the list because what he's going to want is top five, top three, top five quarterback running back money. They don't view him as a top three top five back which will be in the 15 million dollar range. 15, 7. He's not gonna, they can't pay that. Thank you. Helping us win a Super Bowl. Congratulations on your league, on your super bowl mvp.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I mean, hey, Uncle Joe, there's tears to everything. They're tier one running backs and it's only a handful. Now, he's a very, very, very, very good running back. But is he in the same conversation with the Saquons and the Jameer Dijon Robinson?

[Unk]

The McCaffrey? No, he's not. The Derrick Henry? No, he's not. He's not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he's very, very good. He's very good, though.

[Unk]

And that's okay. And that's okay. He, he, he parlayed it at the right time. Ocho. I'm a free agent. I go on this great run, I win the super bowl mvp. Damn, you can't ask for anything better than that, Ocho. You got sharp enough. You. And the thing is, Ocho, they always feel that they can get her back. They feel they can get her back because the freshest are back. You're gonna be Ocho when he coming out of college, it's 20 years. Because think about it, when they put that, they gonna put the. Hey, if you that back, they're gonna put 250, 300 carries on your legs before you get another contract. So you talking about 250 to 300. You gonna get a thousand carries in your first three years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they don't, hey Young, you know how it is. They don't value that position the way they know they don't. They don't value it. And you, you have to be extremely special for you to hold any kind of value at the running back position in this day and age, in this passing era

[Unk]

and to get multiple contracts

[Joe Johnson]

at that running back spot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, it's hard, hey, Joe. It's hard, Joe. It's hard. I already know like CMAC and Derrick Henry and who else has got multiple contracts at the running back position? McCaffrey. Yeah. I said yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's ain't many.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it's hard, hey Joe. It's hard. Bo

[Unk]

with us. We got. The Cardinals have informed Kyler Murray that they intend to release him at the first day of the league year year next Wednesday. Barring a trade between 9 then Arizona already owes him almost $37 million in guarantee for 2026 and another 19 and a half would have been triggered on the 15th of March. He will now be moving on. Kyler took to social media to address the news to everyone that supported me and showed kindness to my family and I during my time in Arizona. From the bottom of my heart, thank you. I wanted nothing more than to be the one to end the 77 year drought for this organization. I feel I'm sorry I failed us. I wish this community and my brothers nothing but the best. I'm no stranger to adversity. I'm prepared for whatever's next. I trust in God and my work ethic. I truly believe my best ball is in front of me and I look forward to proving it. Godspeed. What you thinking, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I'm. I'm curious. I'm curious on the destinations that make

[Unk]

sense for him in a whole lot of places.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm curious. Hey, Miami. Yes, Stay with me. Stay with me real quick, Uncle Joe. Miami, New York or Minnesota?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now those, those among those are the only three I could think of. The one that I would like him

[Unk]

to go to the best, you know, Minnesota.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I would, I would. Me personally, Joe, I would prefer a pocket passer in Minnesota because of all the weapons they have. I would like Kyler, maybe in New York or maybe in Miami. That's just me. I would prefer to see Kirk Cousins come back to Minnesota or maybe pick

[Unk]

back up where he was.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't. Yeah, I don't want to see Kirk Cousin go back to Minnesota.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you got to see the numbers, Joe. You got to see Kirk. One thing Kirk could do, boy, he gonna let that thing fly, Ocho, he

[Joe Johnson]

gonna have a few good games here and there, but come on, man, it ain't gonna be the same. Kurt, you look you. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. I don't know, Joe, but I, I just think from a passing standpoint, listen, Kyler Murray is very good, very good, very good dual threat quarterback. But I think it limits some of the things you can do when you have that kind of talent over there in Minnesota, when you have a mobile quarterback like that.

[Unk]

But the thing is, Ocho, he's not.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's not, he's not. He's not your traditional drop back pass quarterback. And I think with that offense what they have, they need a traditional drop back pass quarterback like a Aaron Rodgers or like a Kirk Cousins that can sling it. You don't really need a dude threat.

[Unk]

I don't know if you noticed, Ocho, but Malik Willis is going to be available and he's going somewhere.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He going to the highest bidder.

[Unk]

That's where he's going. Miami, Arizona.

[Joe Johnson]

I can see him in Miami.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Arizona would be a good one too for Malik. Hey, what's. What's Wilson. First name, Mike Wilson.

[Unk]

Michael Wilson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe boy. It's a young bull named Mike Wilson. He came out of nowhere.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he came.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. Hey, I don't know if you've been around, Joe. He came out of nowhere. That's about, like, playing, like, true. Number one.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my God. Well, he nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All year long, Joe. He making play after play after play after.

[Unk]

Now they get. If they get Marvin Harrison Jr. Up to speed, they got Trey McBride, best tight end of football. So they got weapons. They got to redo the offensive line. They got to get better at the offensive line, Ocho. They got to get better at that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. But, hey, what you think about Malik? Malik Willis coming down to Miami?

[Unk]

I said I think Miami or Arizona.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If I had a choice, I would pick Arizona. McBride, Marvin Harrison Jr. Mike Wilson.

[Unk]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Connors. Connors is coming back next year, I'm assuming at the running back.

[Unk]

Hold on. Didn't he get the. Who got the head job in Arizona? Wasn't it the guy from Green Bay?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Where did he have success at Green Bay? What type of office did he run? Green Bay, the brother. You see how that thing. Arizona. Oh, he in Miami. No, no, no. LaFleur is in Miami, isn't he? Is he in Miami or Arizona? Because he. Willis, is probably going where the other LaFleur brother win, right? Or the Cardinals. He going to Arizona. Ocho, he came from the Rams. Yeah, but he knows that system because the systems are very similar.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

So. All right, guys, we're gonna get you

[Joe Johnson]

here on this one.

[Unk]

It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey,

[Unk]

Before we get to our super chats, we've got some video voicemails from our Discord. This is something we've been wanting to do for years. So to make sure you join the discord, submit a video voicemail for us to show. The first one comes from Jordan. Jordan, you not supposed to be able to do this. Let's take a listen to what Jordan had to say.

[Jordan]

Nightcap fam.

[Joe Johnson]

Real quick.

[Jordan]

I just want to thank y', all un oo, ISO Joe, Ash, and the whole team for everything that y' all do and for always bringing good vibes. And after the streams, real quick. Oo. When you go pay Unc his money, man, Stop playing with his money. How about this? When you and ISO Joe play, if. When ISO Joe beats you, you got to play Uncle's 5900. And you got to go do yoga with ISO Joe and You. If you somehow even score a point on ISO Joe, you can try to convince him to go hunting or fishing with you, even though we all know that won't happen. Much love, guys.

[Unk]

Yeah, appreciate that, Jordan.

[Joe Johnson]

Appreciate it.

[Unk]

Yeah. What are you gonna pay? The next one comes from Augie. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[Chad Ochocinco]

KOC is such a great quarterback. Whisper the nine gotta be deaf, right?

[Unk]

What did he say?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I'm lost.

[Chad Ochocinco]

KOC is such a great quarterback. Whisper the nine gotta be deaf, right?

[Unk]

Right. For whatever reason, he can't stay healthy. In order for quarterbacks to get good, you have to be consistent. You have to stay on the field. He missed his entire rookie year, and then he played the first game, he brought him back against Chicago, and then he's hurt, and then he's out. He comes back, he gets hurts again. So he's gonna have to build up some consistency. And right now, he's being judged on what Sam Darnold did when he was there. And then Sam Darnold leaves and go win the Super Bowl. So that's. That's the measuring stick, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Yeah, that's the measuring stick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that. That's. That. That's the bad part. Not only is that the measuring stick, that same quarterback went on to win the what subo. Now it's even worse.

[Unk]

No, that's not Jordan. That's. He over here laughing, though. That is not. That is not our Jordan. J1984, you ready for Saturday? I don't think Duke gonna lose twice. Ocho was moving on that treadmill, homie. You got to run like that with. Put that mask on by that 5,900. You right, Drew. Jitsu. ISO. You see coach Richardson getting a statue was announced. Well deserved. Do you still keep in touch by any chance? And text? Didn't get. Don't. Didn't stand a chance. Woo. Pig. Oh, long live the king. Best pod in the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I did. I did see that they're getting coach Nolan Richardson the statue in front of Bud Walton arena, which is in Fayetteville, Arkansas. I think it's dope. Well deserved, man. He's done a lot for the. For the state of Arkansas, bro. He's definitely one of the reasons, you know, I. I committed early to be a Razorback, so I'm happy for him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That is live

[Unk]

Gage Sneditor. Hey, Unc. Ocho. ISO was wondering if you can send some thoughts and prayers to me and my family. We lost our grandmother this Past week. It's been really hard. Thank you. Rest easy, Grandma. Yes, Gage. Our thoughts and prayers are from the Nightcap family, Unc, Joe and Ocho. We definitely, definitely our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family and loved ones and anyone that's been impacted by this, The. The sudden passing of your grandmother.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Just remember the crystal. Just remember. I know it's tough right now, but just remember the great times. That's what she would have wanted you to do. John Doe. Joe, you think Kings tanking or they just trash?

[Joe Johnson]

They thinking they want that number one pick. It's about time. Sacramento, they've been on a drought for a long time. Okay, Ocho. You know, I don't remember hearing nothing good about him since early 2000s, when C. Webb and Mike Bibbing. You know what I mean? It's been a while.

[Unk]

It's been a minute. They had.

[Joe Johnson]

I think. I think Darren Fox is the bonus. I think they may have got him to the playoff one year. I'm not sure, though. But they didn't really made no noise since about the early 2000s.

[Unk]

They traded Halliburton, and you see what he's done in Indy. They brought in Sabona, some bonuses. People don't realize. Sabonus is 7:1, can triple double. He can pass, he rebound, can score a little bit. But then you, you, you, and you lose. D. Fox.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

So it's.

[Joe Johnson]

It's tough.

[Unk]

You can't keep giving away. You can't keep losing your best players now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Unk]

TS Car Wise detail service. ISO, tell us a story. Playing against Kobe Bean ISO is way the third best shooting guard ever.

[Joe Johnson]

This way. The third. Yeah, I put him there. MJ Cole, and I put Wade in there. Wade, Clyde Drexler.

[Unk]

What you gonna do with Harden?

[Joe Johnson]

Harden? Yeah.

[Unk]

Cause I asked and Sean took. He took Wade over. Harden at 3.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm gonna take Wade. I think Harden definitely top five, though. Okay, Ocho. I mean, we talking about two guys all the time just to even be in the top five. Yeah, that's a. That's an accomplishment.

[Unk]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Ain't nobody got them one in two spots they sold us.

[Unk]

Ain't nobody gonna ever get those. It's a rap, Cupcake mama. Here you go. Hey, guys. Followed from a few shows ago. I'm looking good. I'm looking for good company conversation. There's someone to fish with.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There you go. Hey, Uncle Fisherman, too.

[Unk]

Hey, as long as you got. As long as you got looking for feet. They looking to go fishing, too. Cupcake. They looking too, but you look, you got to be clear what your intentions are. I mean, it's just hard for me to see a scenario, cupcake mama, that you got out of relationship, and I think you within a 10, 15 year. Relationship. Marriage. Excuse me, not a relationship, a marriage. And you're looking to get right back into one of those.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I don't do that.

[Unk]

And I get it. I get it. You don't want to be. Hey, you know, people thinking that, you know, because, you know, I. I know how people are. I know how people are with, oh, she, she this and she that and put thoughts in your head. But I. I would just take it slow. I would just take it slow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Enjoy. Enjoy yourself.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, some people think the best way to move on is to replace.

[Unk]

They say the quickest way to get over one woman is have another one get up under you. What you do, you slide up under one car. As soon as you fix it, you slide up on another one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. Matter of fact, hey, you know what? I just thought about Uncle Joe and chat. Speaking of mechanics. Hey, Joe, I know you know this Joy boy. You don't know this boy. Joe, I'm gonna make fun of you, okay? How do you know a mechanic has a girlfriend, Joe? Hey, how do you know if a mechanic has a girlfriend?

[Joe Johnson]

How do you know if a mechanic has a girlfriend?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

Something.

[Unk]

Wrench. Mechanic got a girlfriend? Spare parts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Nope, you wrong. You got one, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What you got by looking under a hood?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. Y' all can see me.

[Unk]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He always keep these two fingers clean.

[Unk]

Take your time. You got more time. You think? I. I just don't want you to rush into anything, but I don't. But you got to realize guys are looking at you like, well, damn, you just got a relationship, and you want to get right back into another one, and I don't. There might be some guys out there that's looking for that, but I just think, you know, just take your time. You got time. Enjoy, Enjoy. You know, go out. We ain't saying you got to, you know, sleep with every guy that you go to the movies or go grab a bite to eat with, but enjoy yourself to know somebody.

[Joe Johnson]

Some people have a hard time being lonely, though. They don't. They don't like being by themselves.

[Unk]

Yeah. Being lonely or being alone. Because you can be with somebody and still be a Be. Be alone. You could be with somebody and still be lonely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

I think sometimes people confuse the two. I got me somebody. Okay, yeah, you in a relationship, but he not she's in a relationship. But you not. Hey, but that's. That's. Never mind. Let's.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's.

[Unk]

Let's move on. Nate. Underscore burner. Hey, why you ain't shout out your alma mater baseball team? I heard Savannah State upset the Division 2, number one team in the country. Well done. I didn't know. But you know, we normally have a nice little stick in baseball. We used to be really, really good in baseball, but that. Congratulation. Congratulations, Tigers. If that's the case, I didn't know. But if you did, congratulations. That's what we do. Swole. Underscore, nerd. Underscore. Unc was hell when he was well, once upon a time. Once upon a time. Boy, you know 57 and 58 ain't

[Joe Johnson]

looking good for unk.

[Unk]

Most 21 music Sup, Unc, Ocho and ISO. Now, Tim Hardaway says Penny Grand Hill better than LeBron in their primes. Your thoughts? I guess it's open season to hate LeBron. Look, if you want to be on the podcast, if you want a trend, that's what the thing is. Ain't nobody, nobody, Maybe Grant Hill, if he had stayed healthy and was on the and stayed on the trajectory that he was on, if Penny stays healthy and stays on the trajectory that he's on. But to say, come on now, come. We got to stop this. But I get it. You want to trend. You want to have something to say, say, you know what? Grant, he was really, really Penny, and Penny was phenomenal, but injuries robbed him of what they could have been. Grant was phenomenal, but injuries robbed him what he could have been. So in his prime, do you realize, first of all, nobody's had a prime longer than LeBron. LeBron had a prime for 21 years. For 22 years, basically.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Unk]

So let's just say for the sake of argument, we're going to say from 2007 to 2020. So for 14 years, man, stop it.

[Joe Johnson]

Nobody come close.

[Unk]

Stop it. So now we don't went from. We don't win from Jordan. Okay? Even If I believe LeBron is the goat, I can see you say, well, you know what? Jordan's prime was higher than his. Just say for the sake of argument, if you want to say Kobe stretch, but we're gonna say Grand Hill and Grant was phenomenal. Penny, but really, you're talking about, Lord have mercy.

[Joe Johnson]

They just trying to get you.

[Unk]

If you notice, if you want to trend, it seems to be over the last three, four, five months, it's been like this, if you want to trend.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Unk]

Say something about Braun. And I'm not saying Penny, but Joe and I. Joe, I'm old enough to remember all the guys. Hell, I've been with Tim Harden, Tim Hardaway, senior. Got into the league.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Unk]

That's the luxury. See, that's the best part about being old. Be a little older because. Cause see, they can't run no bull job on you. Me. But to say that. Come on now. Even. Even if. Even if you are, say. You know what? I'm not a LeBron fan. Y' all know this man's apex. Come on now. Come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they just say. Hey. They say that to get you boiling.

[Unk]

They do. They, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They know what get you boiling. They, they, they, they.

[Unk]

If you want to say. If you say like I said, you say Jordan. You say Kobe, like. All right, if y' all want to say his prime, his Pete prime was better than LeBron. I think LeBron's a better player. I do. But if you want to say that. But y' all just arbitrarily throwing guys out there. I mean, at least guys that won Super Bowl. I mean, excuse me, 1. MVPs and Finals MVPs and all NBA selections and offense and def. All NBA defensive teams. All NBA. Okay, okay. Come on now. We gotta stop this foolishness now. TS car wash detail thoughts on Lou Holtz passing. Never had a chance, man. I know who he is. If I'm not mistaken, he was the jets head coach in the 70s. Ocho. Yeah, it was short lived.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I ain't know that.

[Unk]

He was in Arkansas too, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but.

[Unk]

But he's known for. Y' all know what he's known for?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Notre Dame.

[Joe Johnson]

Notre Dame.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Notre dame.

[Joe Johnson]

And ain't one. One since had it.

[Unk]

Nope.

[Chad Ochocinco]

88. Who was the quarterback?

[Unk]

I think Tony Rice was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Tony. Tony Rice.

[Unk]

Because Tony played with me. He played with me in the East West Shrine Game. And they had Ned Bolkar. And Stonebreaker was the linebacker that I played at the East West Shrine game with. Ned Bolkar. It's matic. King ISO. Can you take it easy on Ocho when he drops the donut and the 101, please. I got one for y' all fellas. Start, bench drop, NFL and NBA. Randy Jerry to jt. Jb. Ant, man, you got the receivers. Joe, Ocho, Randy, Jerry and Tony. You got to start one, you got to bench one, you got to drop one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm going to Randy Jerry.

[Unk]

Hold on. So you. You dropping Jerry?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'm going to Randy, Jerry.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Unk]

All right. Joe, you got jtjb. Ant man, start drop.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going Ant man. Jb, jt, Achilles. I got that.

[Unk]

Gotta drop it for.

[Joe Johnson]

Gotta drop them. That's a no brainer for me.

[Unk]

The reformed Pagan talking great players. The Niners have profited from hype and old but superior talent. Who won with Shanny while not investing in talent. Please tell the Niner empire has our window closed in 27. Nope.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Hell, no.

[Unk]

I mean, you got to think about you lost your two best defensive players for the blind share of the year. For the year. Excuse me, Bosa and. And. And Warner. Purdy was out. Even though he played well. Kittle was in and out of the lineup. The receiver that you. You counting on, Brandon Auk. He wasn't in the lineup. Pierce all missed time.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. So y' all think when those dudes get healthy that the Niners gonna be back in the running?

[Unk]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, absolutely.

[Unk]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Would that with that coach.

[Unk]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Shanahan don't play, boy.

[Unk]

Yep. I agree. Terence G. What's up, guys? Wednesday NBA Edition Start biz trade Sean Kemp, Antonio McDyess. Sharif Abdul Raheem.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Sharif was nice, boy.

[Unk]

Yeah, he from the crib. But, boy, you know who was nice. But people don't. People don't remember. Bad McDist was McDice.

[Joe Johnson]

McDyce was an animal.

[Unk]

I was in different. I was in different when he got there.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I played with McDyess. I played with McDyce in Phoenix. Now, he wasn't. He wasn't nothing like how he was.

[Unk]

No, his knees. He had that. He had that. That knee injury, Joe. But you talking about jump out the gym.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, my God. At 6, 9, 6, 10.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You talking about jump out the gym? Like young Blake Griffin.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that boy could go. He could go sit on the rim. O.J.

[Unk]

yes, and cut up, too. Alabama used to have some players people don't realize. Alabama used to have players. Robert or Sprewell. McNice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Spree went down. Spree went to Alabama.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Goddamn Spree. What?

[Unk]

Before him, they had Bobby Lee hurt, Enos Watley. They used to have a squad down in Bama. I mean, you know, Bama kept on for football. They've always had. Yeah, since Coach Bryant, they've always had football players. But their basketball team used to be nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they keep some. They keep some athletes over there now.

[Unk]

JJ Carver, 80, Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharp. Reunion will get views kind of like Shaq and Kobe reunion. I don't think the gambling partners match Up. So, I mean, I. I wouldn't. I wouldn't have a problem with. I wouldn't have a problem with a reunion. I don't have a problem with Skip. What has happened has happened. I've moved on. I'm sure he's moved on, but I think we tried to put something together, but it's kind of hard when, you know, they have a gambling partner. We have a gambling partner. And so.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Unk]

Dre. Phillip, how did you manage to steal Ash away from Fox and shout out to my brother Adrian back home? He watches and love the show. It wasn't that hard. I think she. She was ready to go. I mean, you know, from the very first time that I said if I ever got a show, I was gonna take her, so. Cause I saw how hard she worked, and I know that. I know what she was capable of doing. But sometimes people don't give you the opportunity. Remember? I'm saying, sometimes you need an opportunity. They weren't gonna give her the opportunity, and she knew that it wasn't. You know, and after, you know, after I made an offer, they like, okay, we'll do all this. She's like, well, y' all doing this now because y' all don't want me to go with him, but.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Unk]

But, you know, I didn't know what the hell I was gonna do. I didn't have nothing. And I was like, hey. So I was just paying it out of my pocket till I find something to do, because that's how much I believed in her. I know how hard she works. She made sure I was prepared every show, and even there's some things that I didn't. That we didn't talk about in our meetings or the night before. She would already always have it on the card that, you know, I think this will be. This will be a great point here to counter. So it was. It was a no brainer for me. It was a no brainer for me, and I'm glad she came. Sometimes. She does get on my nerve, though. Also 82. I'm sorry, but unless Arizona fix their O line, any quarterback will have a hard time playing. Well, we agree. Pappy Ray. 94, 45. What's up, King? ISO, the game that you had 10 three pointers made, did you feel. Did you have a feeling pregame that you were going to get hot from three?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I didn't. I didn't have a feeling. I'm gonna tell y' all something. I. I initially wasn't even gonna play in that game. It was Against Philly. I remember, like it was yesterday. My lady, at the time, she was in the hospital getting ready to give birth to my daughter. And I was in the hospital with her. She was. And she didn't want me to go play. She wanted me to stay there with her. I'm like, man, I gotta let me

[Unk]

go play in the game, man. Stop tripping.

[Joe Johnson]

So she end up. She end up. End up letting me go play in the game, bro. And I was. I was just hot that night. I. I left the game, went right back to the hospital. She looking at me like, really? You go out there,

[Unk]

The cray is heal. They should let the goat of my generation, Miley Cyrus, do the halftime show. Ojo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I mean, Milly Cool madly got a good following, huh? Got, you know, she's been a little controversial over the years, but, you know, she's. She's not, you know, I mean, she stays. She's still hot now. She's still hot. Huge following.

[Unk]

Honey. M. What's up? Love the show, but y' all need to start introducing ISO as the reigning defending Nightcap champ to put some respect on that ain't happening. He already. He already.

[Joe Johnson]

Fellas, fellas, y' all just relax, man. The people did.

[Unk]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

They. They. They voicing their opinions on what.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, hey, listen. Hey, sometime people opinions be wrong.

[Joe Johnson]

Just. Just hear my.

[Unk]

At least I heard it. I read it out. That's all we did. O. I read it out. I heard it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I heard it. I heard it. It went in one ear, not the other.

[Unk]

Var117. What's up Oo king ISO? Hypothetically speaking, if the Lakers win the championship this year and Braun is Finals MVP, does he get a statue? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell, yeah.

[Unk]

Two championships, two Finals MVPs. Absolutely.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What.

[Unk]

Breech. McKinley, great show tonight. Thank you for the shout out the other day after my surgery. Praying for your surgery goes well and wishing you a speedy recovery. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank Mr. Tendonism, Mr. Walter Johnson, for joining us tonight. We. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. And wherever he shows up, guys, let's make sure we go support whatever he's doing. We greatly appreciate that. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and make sure you go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite un. That is my partner and co host. That is the bingo ring of fame artery. A former Pro Bowler and an all probably that is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three University of Arkansas alum, seven time NBA All Star University of Arkansas. Y' all know him ISO Joe Johnson. Ocho Tell the chat about your new episode dropping tomorrow on the podcast the Late Run.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey listen hey hey Chad, do me a small favor when you get a chance, follow the Late Run on Instagrams Follow the Late Run on Twitter My soccer podcast with Rahimovic My my very good friend, my co host. Tomorrow we have Rick Ross episode dropping Tomorrow morning at 9 o' clock if I'm not mistaken. So may check it out. We we got a bunch of great episodes leading up to the World Cup. All things soccer related. For those of you in the chat that watch and love soccer and have a passion about it for it like I do. Even if you don't, please come and support, subscribe and follow. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Episode with Rick Ross dropping tomorrow morning.

[Unk]

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