Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs fan ejected, Ingram declines $40M, Fultz signs with Kings

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs Fan Ejected, Ingram Declines $40M, Fultz Signs with Kings

Release Date: February 16, 2025
Hosts: Chad Johnson & Ocho Cinco
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media

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1. Mavericks Fan Ejection Incident

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion between hosts Chad Johnson and Ocho Cinco regarding a recent incident where a Dallas Mavericks fan was ejected from an arena for mouthing the word "fired" during a game timeout. The incident sparked debates about fan behavior and the appropriate response from team security.

Chad Johnson recounted the event, highlighting, “He didn’t yell profanity. He didn’t yell obscenities. It wasn’t like racial. Right. All he said was fired Nico Harrison. That shouldn’t get you kicked out of the arena” (07:08).

Ocho Cinco voiced strong disagreement with the Mavericks' decision, stating, “Absolutely not. Fans come to a game, they should be able to express themselves based on decisions that have been made” (05:37).

The hosts debated the implications of such actions, with Ocho Cinco emphasizing the slippery slope of enforcing strict ejection policies for minor infractions. He warned, “A crack in your window, it always starts small. If you don’t fix it, it gets bigger and bigger over time” (08:13).

2. Kevin Durant's Commitment to the Phoenix Suns

Shifting focus to the NBA, the discussion delves into Kevin Durant's recent affirmation of staying with the Phoenix Suns despite trade deadline rumors. Durant’s decision has significant ramifications for the team's dynamics and championship aspirations.

Chad Johnson analyzed Durant's stance, noting, “Kevin Durant is still with the Phoenix Suns and ready to get back on the court after last week's event portrayed deadline full of speculation” (09:40).

Ocho Cinco supported Durant's choice, suggesting that Durant's dissatisfaction stemmed from internal team issues rather than external factors. He remarked, “Anytime KD was on the move, it's because he wanted it. He was displeased with the issue or with the turmoil and chaos that was going on around him” (10:31).

The hosts also touched upon the Suns' relatively quiet trade activity, trading away center Yousef Nurkic to the Hornets while retaining their core trio—Durant, Book, and Bradley Bill—to maintain team cohesion.

3. Lakers' Struggle Against the Utah Jazz

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing the Los Angeles Lakers' unexpected 12-point loss to the Utah Jazz. The hosts dissect the game, pointing out strategic shortcomings and player performances that led to the defeat.

Chad Johnson provided a detailed game breakdown: “The Lakers needed exercise and physicality, which he did not provide. Alex landed 22 minutes with five offensive rebounds, seven rebounds, two assists, one block, and three personal fouls. Not much” (21:43).

Ocho Cinco highlighted the absence of key defensive players: “Jackson Hayes is really a guy. None of their bigs. You run offense for Ocho, they run lobs” (24:15).

The discussion underscored the Lakers' defensive lapses and offensive inefficiency, culminating in their six-game win streak being snapped.

4. Brandon Ingram Declines $160M with Pelicans, Signs $120M with Raptors

Brandon Ingram's recent contract decision took center stage as he chose to decline a lucrative $160 million offer from the New Orleans Pelicans in favor of a $120 million deal with the Toronto Raptors. The hosts explored the possible motivations behind this move.

Ocho Cinco questioned the logic of leaving money on the table, saying, “I don’t know in what world where it's that bad. We leave $40 million on the table and choose to go somewhere else” (32:34).

Chad Johnson speculated on Ingram's dissatisfaction with the Pelicans' management and culture: “Brandon Ingram did not make this decision lightly. He had been sitting there for an extended period of time and realized it” (34:15).

The conversation delved into the importance of team environment and player happiness over contractual gains, suggesting that Ingram prioritized a conducive setting for success over financial incentives.

5. Jalen Fultz Signs with Sacramento Kings

The episode also covers Jalen Fultz's signing with the Sacramento Kings, marking a pivotal moment for the young guard. After his rookie contract expired in the summer of 2024, Fultz spent the first half of the season without a deal before agreeing to terms with the Kings.

Chad Johnson commented on Fultz's potential impact: “Fultz could see early play in time as the squad tries to fill the point guard left by De'Aaron Fox, who was traded to the Spurs” (47:10).

Ocho Cinco expressed skepticism about Fultz's ability to rise above his previous performances: “Will Folts ever be able to show why he was the former? No, he's never that trip. That ship is sailed” (48:25).

Despite the doubt, there remains hope that Fultz can adapt and fulfill his role effectively within the Kings' system.

6. Lakers vs. Jazz: In-Depth Game Analysis

Returning to the Lakers' performance, the hosts provide a comprehensive analysis of the team's strategy and execution during their defeat against the Jazz.

Chad Johnson emphasized the Lakers' lack of defensive presence: “They have to do a better job. JJ is going to have to find a combination” (27:11).

Ocho Cinco pointed out the inefficiency in transitioning and shot selection: “You got to give me a little bit more effort because the guys are looking. You can’t miss a shot” (31:56).

The hosts concluded that the Lakers' roster is not currently equipped to contend at a high level, primarily due to defensive weaknesses and inconsistent performances.

7. Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Chad Johnson and Ocho Cinco provide insightful and candid discussions on recent NBA events, player decisions, and team performances. Their analysis offers listeners a deep dive into the complexities of professional basketball, highlighting the intricate balance between management decisions, player satisfaction, and on-court execution.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson: “Once you go there, like, look, we ask guys, we ask everybody to be respectful, blah, blah, blah” (06:03)

• Ocho Cinco: “A crack in your window, it always starts small” (08:13)

• Chad Johnson: “You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected...” (00:00) [Note: This is part of an advertisement and should be excluded as per instructions.]

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Timestamps

• 05:30 - Mavericks Fan Ejected Discussion Begins
• 05:37 - Ocho Cinco Questions Ejection Policy
• 07:08 - Chad Johnson Defends Fan's Actions
• 08:13 - Ocho Cinco on Slippery Slope of Ejections
• 09:40 - Kevin Durant's Commitment to Suns
• 10:31 - Ocho Cinco Supports KD’s Decision
• 21:43 - Lakers vs. Jazz Game Analysis
• 24:15 - Discussion on Lakers' Defensive Issues
• 32:34 - Brandon Ingram’s Contract Decision
• 34:15 - Ingram’s Motivation Behind Move
• 47:10 - Jalen Fultz Signs with Kings
• 48:25 - Skepticism on Fultz’s Future
• 51:19 - Ben Simmons Comparison
• 53:50 - Consistency in Player Performance

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, man. Listen, I think. No, wait, wait. Is it the right way to handle it for who? The fan or them?

[Chad Johnson]

Out. Is that the right way for the Mavericks to handle it?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely not. Listen, fans come to a game, they should be able to express themselves based on decisions that have been made. You know, he didn't cry.

[Chad Johnson]

He didn't yell profanity. He didn't yell obscenities. It wasn't. It wasn't like, you know what I'm saying, Ojo? It wasn't anything like no racial. Right. All he said was right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That shouldn't get you kicked out of the arena, Ojo. I'm sorry.

[Ocho Cinco]

It shouldn't get you kicked out. But you guys enjoy a game.

[Chad Johnson]

You're there.

[Ocho Cinco]

You're there to enjoy a game. You're there to have fun.

[Chad Johnson]

I keep saying. I keep saying. Colin. Nico Harrison. I'm sorry, Chad. Nico Harrison.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I think, listen, there's a no tolerance policy. I think fans need to understand and respect not only the players, but other authority as well. You know, go there if you're not pleased with them. We understand your displeasure with certain individuals based on decisions that they made. There's certain things you can't do. It's like, you know, when you get pulled over by the cop and just because you know the law, you want to challenge authority or you want to curse or you want to prove, you know, you know, your go. Yeah, listen, you upset. Yeah. You upset with what happened and what. And, you know, Luka Luca leaving. Go to the game. Enjoy it. You see him, give him a little quick boo.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, boo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Go on about your business. Enjoy the game.

[Chad Johnson]

But I think when you. When you handle it this way, now you invite more people to be this one at home. Oh, yeah. All I said was Miko Harrison. I don't think that's an offense that should get me thrown out of a game. If I'm really. If I'm yelling at Synod, if I'm yelling at racial stuff, if it is profane, I get it. But that's all he said was fired. Nico Harrison. That's not an injectionable offense. Now, have they taken it? They've had to add extra security to this man to and from watching his home because of the threats. That's too far. That's taking it too far. I get it. You're upset. But to put threats on the man's life and his family's life, that's going too far. So.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I Get. I get the precautions that the Mavericks are taking, but I can't get down with that because all he said was fired Nico Harrison. And the man is talked from the arena. I don't. I don't listen.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know what? A crack in your window, it always starts small.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

If you don't fix it, if you don't set a precedent early, that crack, it gets bigger and bigger over time. So now you talk about. He just said fire Nico, and that's all he said. You know, that small crack will continue to get bigger and bigger because other people are going to see that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Ocho Cinco]

So what they're doing is they jumping the gun. You know, we need to get on top of this now before this small crack eventually turns a little bit bigger and it gets out of control.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, hey, once you go there, like, look, we ask guys, we ask everybody to be respectful, blah, blah, blah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And once he read. Yeah. Once he yelled at the first. You know, mouthed it the first time. Just paying off it. You remember how they used to show every time when streakers would run on the field, a guy and women would lift their shirt off and they would just stay on it. Now they just. Hey, they just cut away. We're not gonna give you no TV time. We're not going to let you have your little five seconds, your 15 seconds of fame. We just going to move on. I think for me, I think that would have been the proper way to handle it. But, hey, the Mavericks did what they did. I don't agree with it. As a matter of fact, they just ejected Tim Morant. John's dead out of the game because he said something to an official. I guess I could be wrong, and I think I'm paraphrasing. I think said y'all on the take or something like that. You have to be careful. You know, when you say stuff like that to officials, that's a very, very touchy subject, especially with gambling involved. But this, this is not even close for me. Chad, let me know what you guys think is a. An objectionable offense. Kevin Durant is still with the Phoenix Suns and ready to get back on the court after last week's event portrayed deadline full of speculation. It's just part of the business. Everybody's bought and sold in this league. Anybody can up for option. So I understand. It's just about getting back on the court and trying to go out there and play the game that I love. It's part of the business, though. We've all got to understand that. The Suns ended up having A relatively quiet trade deadline, dealing only disgruntled center Yousef Nurkic to the Hornets, but keeping the rest of the court intact. The team's big three, Durant, Book and Bradley Bill is still together as the franchise tries to gain traction in the standing. Ocho. You agree? Disagree. Like what KD said.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like what KD said. Obviously, he feels that everyone is expendable at this point, and I think. I don't think KD would have said anything like that if he hadn't seen the deal that happened with Luka. I think he wouldn't have uttered those type of words. But now, seeing that they were able to get rid of Luca, despite how good he was, I think that's why he said what he said. Anytime, anytime KD was on the move, it's because he wanted it, right? It's because he wanted it. You know, he said, you know, he was displeased with the issue or with the turmoil and chaos that was going on around him.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what?

[Ocho Cinco]

I want to make a move. I want to make a move. Whether it was the warriors, whether it was. God damn it.

[Chad Johnson]

Whether it was. Brooklyn. Free agent. He was a free agent. Okc. Ojo. So he's like, I want to move on. Well within his right. The Warriors. You mentioned he was there. He wasn't happy. A part of that for me, a part of it. The warriors was new addition Johnny, Bobby, Ricky and Mike. They were the original Johnny Gill. Could I say them all? But he didn't grow up in Roxbury. Boston. Right. So he was never going to be accepted like those. Like Trey, Clay and Steph. Excuse me, Steph, Clay and Draymond. Right, right. We know what KD is. A seven foot walking bucket. Big range. Can get to shoot the three. You follow him. 90% of his shot. Can play with his back to the basket, can put the ball in the pool. We've never seen a guy 7 foot tall handle the ball and be able to do what he does, right? But he's like, you know what? I. I'm gone. He goes. He goes to Brooklyn and sees like, man, I'm gone. So once you leave, it's easier for you to do it again. It's just like Ocho, right? It's just like somebody getting divorced. A lot of times when people get divorced, you see a person with multiple divorces. Because once you leave a relationship, it gets a lot easier to leave the next relationship, you know?

[Ocho Cinco]

And that's another thing. Now I'm gonna take it to sports. Once you see Someone get knocked out the first time, you know how much easier it is for them to get knocked out again after that first time. So subconsciously it's already there.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Ocho Cinco]

It can happen a lot faster.

[Chad Johnson]

So KD just wants to play basketball. That's what he is. He's a professional basketball player. He works on his craft extremely hard. You don't get this. You don't play as long as he's played, be as good as he is without working on his craft. All that other stuff. He let Rich Kleiman do what he does, have his business stuff. KD just wants to focus on basketball on the court. And so he understands the business of the game. Just like he was a business. He was a free agent. He went to Golden State, he became a free agent again. He went to Brooklyn. He's like, you know what? The situation is getting out of hand. I don't think we can win here. I want to go somewhere else. But he handled it in such a way. He didn't make a whole lot of noise. He didn't call, you know, mispragus or be laid or stomp out and shoot around, shoot around. His representatives like, look, I would like to be moved, get what you can for me. And this, you know, this. They did him a solid. He wanted to go to Phoenix. They put him in Phoenix. But see, that's because of the person, the man, the player that he is. He's been very respectful, how he handled it. They accommodated me a lot of times, like, where you want to go? Okay, I'm going to send you to the opposite place. You want to go to heaven? Hell it is. Yeah. Buck's general manager John Horns said trading franchise cornerstone Khris Middleton after 12 seasons in Milwaukee was the hardest transaction he's made.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, don't start that.

[Chad Johnson]

But did so to maximize the win for a championship. It's still the awesome responsibility to try to take this franchise and maximizing the window that we have now as best we can, what we think gives us the best chance to win and figure out how to continue winning going forward. There's a very narrow set of opportunities that we felt that we could do that, and this is one of them. Milwaukee traded Middleton and rookie guard A.J. johnson and a pick swap to Washington and exchange for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. And a second round pick before last week's trade deadline. The Bucs also acquired center Jericho Sims for the New York Knicks as part of the deal. Ocho, the executive, said it was the hardest decision, one of the hardest decisions he's had to make.

[Ocho Cinco]

I heard that. I heard that before, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh.

[Ocho Cinco]

Didn't we hear that from someone who's. Who's. Who sits. Who sits at one of the higher seats for the Giants?

[Chad Johnson]

Joe Shone.

[Ocho Cinco]

Taquan Go was one of the hardest things for him to do. But they still did it. Yeah, I'm not sure. In that case, it was for the betterment of the team. Do you think this situation and letting Kris Middleton go was for the betterment of the team in the future and giving them their best chance at a trophy or competing for one?

[Chad Johnson]

I think the injury that Middleton has had, the injury. They didn't think that it comes down to Ocho do I believe. But I can count on you long term moving forward. And so I make a decision. When somebody tells you that, you know, your parents, you tell you, this is gonna hurt. I got. I'm feeling I'm gonna tear your ass up, but it's gonna hurt me more than hurt.

[Ocho Cinco]

More than 30.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't want you to be hurt, and I damn sure don't want me to be hurt. What kind of bull job is that? Hey, boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

My grandma used to get catch me with that boy in junior high. No, in my early days. Yeah, in high school.

[Chad Johnson]

And getting in trouble, it's gonna hurt me more than it hurt you. Well, I don't want you to hurt.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why are you doing it?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, don't hurt. I don't want you to hurt. I definitely don't want to hurt. Y'all miss me with that foolishness. And that's what. That's what these events, you know, this. This hurts me to my stop now. You know, I honestly, if it was a situation where. And that's what. If you go back and look at it, that's what made Coach Belichick so good, and that's what really irked him, and that's what irked Tom. Because Coach Belichick realized I'm going to have to make a very tough decision one day. The closer I get to a player, the harder it is for me to do my job. This is why in the military, I don't know if they still have it, but higher ups messing with lower subordinates because it clouds the judgment. Because now I don't want to put you in harm's way because I feel some type of way about you. Yes, sir. So that's why they don't like they. You know, if you're a higher up, you can't mess with a subordinate because you're in a position of authority, and you are over that person. And so when you got to send somebody out to go do battle, you got to send them out to battle. Well, if that's your little boo thing or that's your whoop, now you gonna step with me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Let me get. Let me get a little desk job.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't want you to go out there and get hurt. You stay right over here with me. Right over here. That ain't how it works. And so when you dealing with. And so that's why you have to keep emotion out of it. That's why you can't. Can't get too close. Because the closer you are to an individual, the harder it is it is for you to part with said individual.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

And so, you know, and maybe, maybe, maybe it is. I mean, hey, I don't. I don't know. I've never been in a situation where I had to make a decision, a very, very tough decision where you've been with someone for an extended period of time and you've won together, you've accomplished so much together.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Excuse me. And it comes to a point in time where you have to let said individual go. I'm sure that's not an easy thing to do. But like you said, at the end of the day, Ocho, no matter what I think of an individual, I still have an obligation to the owner that pays my salary to the fan base to put the best product on the floor in order to win a championship.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay, I understand it. I don't know if that's the best product on the floor to achieve the end goal, but so be it.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

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[Chad Johnson]

There was something sentimental when you, when you send it, you know, it's like do, do I send the heart?

[Ocho Cinco]

Now I don't like the color edition.

[Chad Johnson]

It's extremely pink.

[Ocho Cinco]

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[Chad Johnson]

O Show the Lakers lose big in Utah. After dismantling Utah just a few days ago, they lose by 12, 131, 119, snapping the six game win streak. They head into the All Star Break 32 and 20. Alex the Lakers side Alex Lynn 7 foot tall, 250 pounds of sorriness. But the big oh my bad. Damn. That wasn't what was in there. I just read that just came to me. The Lakers needed exercise and physicality, which he did not provide. After the Knicks trade with Mark Williams and the Charlotte Hornets, they weighed Christian woods to create an open roster spot. He missed the season after recovering from off season surgery, but tonight was a tough first start for Alex Land, who did not do a whole lot. Got some good cardio in other than that 22 minutes to a five two offensive rebound. So he had seven rebounds, two assists, one block and three personal fouls. Not much. Not much. Not much. It probably just met the team yesterday. The Lakers had no interior presence with him on the court. Loud the Utah jazz to shoot 52% from the floor. Laurie Market. It was 11 of 18, 6 of 10 from the 3, 4, 4 from the free throw line. 32 points, plus 35. Walker Kessler plus 23. He had 16 points. Jordan Clarkson had 23 points. He was plus 33 tonight. Just wasn't it Ocho. And we knew this was gonna be a problem because of his ability to defend. And right now they don't really have guys. You look at the guys, they don't have defensive guys. I don't know why they only. Unless Jackson Hayes got hurt, I don't know why. He only played seven minutes, but he left the ball game and didn't come back in. He was two or two from the field. Seven points. No, excuse me. Seven minutes with four points. But they can't. No show. Austin Reeves struggle shooting three tonight. So did Luca, But Luca is going to take a while. He's been out almost eight, seven weeks. December.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, since Christmas. So it's going to take him a while to get his rhythm back. But they didn't, they didn't defend. And when you don't defend and you don't shoot the ball well, you end up going down by 24, 26 points. You end up losing by 12. But the game really wasn't close. Don't let the final score fool you. The game was not this close.

[Ocho Cinco]

All right, but. But listen, the. The Lakers, as opposed to the last game, as opposed to the last game, the Lakers came out flat. They came out flat. They played very uninspired. Obviously. Jackson Hayes only getting seven minutes, having what, maybe four, four points. What was it? Four, six.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he had four.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ever since he. Ever since he was out of the game. I think he's the only defending presence that could really be inside the paint and be able to defend to some extent. After that, it was just a goddamn layup line, basically for the Utah layup and duns.

[Chad Johnson]

How. How many lob. How many lobs did you see? I mean, they're throwing lob from out of bounds.

[Ocho Cinco]

It was lob city. It was lob city. Now, also, one of the things you have to notice about this game too, when the Jazz played the Lakers the first time they turned the ball over, I think maybe 18, 19 plus times this game, they were able to protect the ball a little bit more. They didn't have as many turnovers and obviously with the Lakers coming out as flat as they did and the Jazz being efficient as they were from the line, I forgot I think Collier had 20. What is it, how you say?

[Chad Johnson]

Sorry.

[Ocho Cinco]

Marketing. Yeah, marketing and young bull.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. He versatile. He can score, he can rebound, he can facilitate. Yeah, he, I mean he's been an all star. He's been an all star. We know Jordan Clarkson heated up with the best of them. John Collins had a nice game tonight. 17 points, eight rebounds and assists, two blocks. But yeah, you could tell early on though, the way the Lakers came out, they came out really with no enthusiasm. They didn't defend, they didn't attack the basket. They look at the free throws. I mean they crawl free throws and you're 17 to 30.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, listen, Luka is going to take Luka a little minute to get going, to get to get his rhythm back. Austin Reeves, you're going to have games like this. You're going to have games like this. It's hard to be on every single night. It's hard to be on every single night. And tonight just happened to be one of those.

[Chad Johnson]

He had played well. He had. Reeves had really played well, say the last eight to 10 ball games. He been really well. Had a career high 45 points and when Luka and LeBron were both out of the game, played well the other night when Luka first got there. So yeah, he had a down night tonight. He didn't shoot the ball. He ended up with 15 or 11 assists. Did a great job of facilitating. Only had one turnover, so you can live with that. But he didn't shoot the ball well. He was 1 to 10 from the three point line. Jackson Hayes left with a facial contusion, so that's probably why you got a land playing. Probably more minutes than you really wanted him to play. Coloco also got nine minutes. But they just don't have bigs, they don't have bodies to really throw at people. And the guys that they throw out there, that's all they're doing. They're throwing out there. Jackson Hayes is really a guy. You don't, I mean none of their bigs, you run offense for Ocho, they run lobs. Getting up, hey, you want points, get it off the rim, offensive rebound and put it back in. That's how you going to get your points because we're not running anything for you right now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Obviously, I think if Jackson Hayes is there, he's some type of defensive presence. Yeah, obviously with his length, he's tall. And the Lakers just couldn't seem to keep up with the pace that the Jazz had. The whole.

[Chad Johnson]

Well they got, they, you know what they, they, they end up taking the lead. Cause the Jazz had a little scoring, a scoring drought and that's what happened. You know, it's a game of runs. The Lakers got their run and then all of a sudden it's like they, they relax, wouldn't play any defense and lay up, layup, dunk, lay up three, three, three, three, three. The next thing you know, the game is blown wide open. But they're gonna have to do a better job. JJ is going to have to find a combination. Look, he's trying to, he's searching right now the three guys that you know going to start is probably reed, Luca and LeBron. We'll see mix and match with Jackson Hayes probably Ru is going to be that the, the other guy that starts but Vanderbilt it rough on him tonight bro. Got in at mop up time, got him a nine quick points, hit two threes, one or two from the free throw line.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nice little floater like little floater, little floater paint.

[Chad Johnson]

He looked good.

[Ocho Cinco]

He looked very comfortable. Look very comfortable. Very poor, very confident. Especially in the shots of leg.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but it's hard for me to believe that Dwight Howard wouldn't be better than Alex Lynn. It's hard for me to believe that. I ain't saying he gonna be. We don't need Dwight. See people keep up when you keep talking about Dwight. You don't need Dwight Howard to be Orlando Magic. Dwight Howard, he can't. Nor should you expect that from him. But what they got. So you tell me Dwight High ain't. Can't be better than the Colloquial. Really? He can't be better than Alex Lynn. That's all we're asking to be better than that. Not be all NBA, not be defensive player of the year, not be that. Just be better than that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, I see, I see what you're saying. Okay, I have a question for you then. So how long obviously you have the all star break coming right now. How long has Lakers figured out how long had the JJ figures out what pieces he needs to be able to contend?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, well you're not contending. This, this team, this, this roster is not built to contend. It all depends on who you get in the first round matchup. You might can still. You might can steal. I mean Luke and LeBron might can steal it, but that's as far as you're going. You're not beating any team to have. You're not going. You're not going to be okay. See? Not. Not with this. You're definitely not. And you. What. What you gonna do with Yolk now? Jamal Murray went crazy tonight. He had 55. Jokic had a quiet night. They say, jamal, I've been carrying you like I've been doing what I do. Hey, you go ahead. He dropped 55, and everybody knows Jamal Murray can get hibachi hot, and he got that tonight. But no, they're not. They're not. They're not. They're not really, you know, doing anything, not with this roster. Now, like I said, LeBron and Luca could probably get hot and can steal your A series, but after that, that's where the buck stops. They're not. They're not good enough to really do anything. They don't defend at a high enough level. Now, they can control the clock. They control the pace of the game. Both of these guys with the ball in their hands can control it, but I just don't. I just don't see enough on the. On the defensive end, because at the end of the day, it still comes down to defense, win championships, and they don't have nearly enough. So they go into the break on the loss. But they had won six straight, so they win last six or seven and 131 to 119. They have to be pleased. They're 32 and 20, a lot better than what they were last year at the All Star Game. We'll see what they do. Lucas, get some time off. LeBron is the only one going to the All Star Game, so it'll be interesting to see what the guys do with their time going into the break. But I ain't like what I saw tonight. I ain't gonna even lie to you. I ain't gonna hold you on that. Ojo. I didn't like what I saw tonight.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, it's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen, you played two, three nights ago, having however many nights it was, you come back, you're playing the exact same team, exact same personnel, and you come out completely flat. You look completely different.

[Chad Johnson]

You did turnover. They did turn when they turned over and they didn't get back. Nobody got back. They're loafing like, oh, babe, I ain't getting no foul. And they moping and, you know, I wish LeBron would stop doing that because sometimes he turns the ball over, he doesn't get a call that he thought he should have got. Bro, get back. And he lagging back, and then they bust a three.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, well, you gotta understand now, he's a little older in age. Now, you know, having to shoot back down that court every time a ball is.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I ain't say I ain't. Hey, all I'm saying is don't walk. I ain't say you gotta be speeding, Gonzalez, but just don't walk. Just don't walk. Give me a little. Give me a little bit more effort, because the guys are looking. You can't miss a shot. Get mad they didn't call a foul. Mope down and then shrug your shoulders like what happened.

[Ocho Cinco]

Allow the team to score. Transition. Yeah, I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

Brandon Ingram declined $160 million with the Pelicans only to accept $120 million with the Raptors.

[Ocho Cinco]

But listen, I have a question. I don't know in what world. Chat. Y'all stay with me real quick now. I don't know in what world where it's that bad. We leave $40 million on the table and choose to go somewhere else. You ain't nobody finna see and tell me. Listen, I just. I just left New Orleans for a week, six, six, seven days straight. You ain't finna tell me based on what I saw in that wonderful city, culture, the people, the food, the architecture.

[Chad Johnson]

The history, you ain't playing basketball.

[Ocho Cinco]

That you don't want to be there.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't playing basketball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, the devil is a liar.

[Chad Johnson]

You just saw Tyreek. You just saw Tyreek complain. Making 32 million in Miami with all that water, with all that nice weather, with all the women down there. He complaining. Now, you want to try again?

[Ocho Cinco]

Now, wait a minute. Now, listen. Now, that's apples and oranges. You talk about two different scenarios. You talk about a Tyreek Hill that just came off a season that was not nothing like. Like he felt it should have been. You had a quarterback that gotten hurt. He wasn't getting the ball like he felt he should. He was frustrated. Stay with me. He was frustrated about, for one, not putting up the numbers he should. Two, not getting the ball the way he should. And three, he got in front of that camera before he cooled down. That's calling the rule number one. After a game, you make sure you go take a shower and calm down before you say anything you shouldn't say before you get in front of that camera. Now, you're not going to tell me that New Orleans is that bad. Even if you do play the game of basketball to the point where. You know what? I'm not coming. I'm not coming back here. I'm not signing here. I'm going to leave $40 million on the table. I'm going to go somewhere else.

[Chad Johnson]

Not going somewhere else. He went to Canada. He went to another country because he want to win. You say frustration. Who wants to be there? You see Zion. You think Zion want to be in New Orleans? Hold on. Did Anthony Davis want to be in New Orleans? So I'm just trying to figure out the players that they've had that wanted to be there. You say you can't understand why, Because I want to win. I can't win there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, listen. Well, you know what? The onus that's on management. Management needs to make it a place some kind of way, some shape way, film form or fashion where people want to come. Ocho, you need to do what you need to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. See, that's great for you, Ocho, if you a tourist. I'm trying to win. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't no goddamn tourist. I'm from New Orleans.

[Chad Johnson]

You a tourist, you go down there for a couple of days, you get to eat the food you get to get. But I'm saying these guys got to live it. They want to win. That's not cond. New Orleans is not conducive for winning. It's. This is not a knock on the city. But who. Let me ask you a question. What big time fridge decided with New Orleans? I'll wait. You just take your time. Chad, we got time. We just getting started. Tell me the big time fridge in deciding with New Orleans.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying, but you didn't hear what I said. First. The onus is on management creating an environment where people want to come to. You know, there was a time where people didn't want to come to the Heat.

[Chad Johnson]

They always wanted to come to the. First of all. First of all, how many big. The only thing you traded for Jimmy Butler? I mean, you got Jimmy and LeBron once LeBron was. But LeBron ended up being a trade. He did him a solid. They didn't get kd, right? They didn't get no big mother free agents. So why you over there huffing department coming to Miami? Where? When? Who?

[Ocho Cinco]

Let me. Let me finish. Let me finish. There was a time when nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati. You know that.

[Chad Johnson]

They still died. Stop playing that big time friends that y'all got, all of them want to come.

[Ocho Cinco]

I said they want to come. The timing hasn't Been right for them.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, you say they want to come. Who? And I'm not an owl. I don't sit on no tree. I can't turn the head all the way around. But who?

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen to me, listen to me.

[Chad Johnson]

The big.

[Ocho Cinco]

The big free agents that. That have been.

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Ocho Cinco]

That have been available. You listen to me. That's where they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything public. And why did they go? Their favorite. I just told you it didn't work out. In favor? Money.

[Chad Johnson]

So you. So in other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing they're not going to get paid, Knowing Mike Brown has been cheap, Knowing the Bengals have been cheap their entire existence. Really?

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I'm just telling you now, listen, who's the owner? Who's the owner in New Orleans? Huh? Who's the owner?

[Chad Johnson]

Ms. Gail Benson.

[Ocho Cinco]

Mr. Benson.

[Chad Johnson]

Ms. Gail Benson, the husband died.

[Ocho Cinco]

New Orleans Saints.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, that man. That's good girl. You for real, man. I gotta know. I gotta talk to Ms. Benson. I gotta talk to Ms. Benson because. Listen, what I saw in New Orleans, there's no reason why two things can't coexist. The Pelicans having a winning. A winning mentality. And it all starts at the top to go along with the goddamn city that is winning itself. I know what the hell I saw the past week. I was out there. I told you. I'm from the seventh world. I'm from uptown. Now I'm from Uptown. Matter of fact, you want to go with me in March for what? Uptown, Uptown, Super Sunday.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me ask you a question, don't you. How many big time fridges signed with the Atlanta. You was in Atlanta? Oh, nice.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, hey, that's a place to be.

[Chad Johnson]

Big time for basketball. Free agents sign there. How many?

[Ocho Cinco]

They don't have a. They don't have a winning environment. They have a winning city. Though the aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena, I can tell you that. I don't go that often. I'm just telling you what somebody told me. I ain't telling you what I know. I'm telling you what I heard. Atlanta is a beautiful place, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

The man.

[Ocho Cinco]

So it's. So is Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider?

[Chad Johnson]

I like Houston, okay?

[Ocho Cinco]

I know you like Houston. I'm talking about the environment.

[Chad Johnson]

They're young, they're up and coming. I love what I may is doing with that team. Sungun was an all star. I like Jalen Green. I mean, the guy is 20, what, 22 years of age, balling out. They got they, Arman Thompson, they got a nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably need one more. A veteran. Um, you know, Van Fleet, I like Van Fleet. I like Brooks. They get after you. They play hard night in and night out. They had a little rough patch where they lost about five, six games in a row, but you can deal with that. I, I, I think they're going to be just like the, the Texans. The Texans are going to be a place that you got a quarterback. You got Nico Collins, you got D'Amico Ryan, who have a great defense. You see they got Danelle Hunter, they got Will Anderson Jr. They got Stingley Jr. They got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. There are a few players away. They were able to lure Larry Tunsil. The problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruined it when he trade a damn running back for all pro wide receiver. Where the hell they do that at? Right? I never understood that. And then you had the situation with desean, you had a situation with Desan, and we don't need to get into it, but we know what happened. And that kind of set them back for a year or two. But they were able to get C.J. c.J. Look, C.J. looks to be what he's supposed to be. Handle a down year this year, but I expect him to bounce back and play better next year. We'll see what they do. They lost a lot of their receiver. Tank Dale got injured, Stefon Diggs got injured. But I love the addition of Joe Mixon. There are a couple of pieces away. They're going to be right back. They're going to be right back in the mix. But I think that's the thing. Listen, Brandon Ingram did not make this decision. Didn't take this decision lightly. It wasn't, no, okay, fine. He had been sitting there for an extended period of time and he realized it. He said, first of all, the guy that y'all want to build this thing around, he can't stay healthy. Now, for the most part, Brandon Ingram hadn't stayed healthy either. So let's be all the way with that. So he, I mean, hey, I understand he's looking at Zion, and Zion can't stay healthy. But Brandon Ingramman missed a lot of time also, and Pelican fans, y'all know that. So it was like, man, let me go ahead and bounce. Like I go to a team, you know, they got Scotty Barnes. I like Scotty. They got, I mean, look, I hate calling the man last name, but 42.

[Ocho Cinco]

How you leave 40 million on the table. Come on. Now. What are we doing?

[Chad Johnson]

Look. Oh. See, the big mistake that I made a lot of times is that I put myself in that situation. You can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't have, but. Oh, money can't buy happiness. The man ain't happy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, money can't buy you happiness. But you know what money can buy you? It can buy your time.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, he had.

[Ocho Cinco]

It can buy you time.

[Chad Johnson]

He had all the time. He would have been in there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, look at. Look at what you call it. Look at. What's the guy name? Look at Melinda Gates. Bill gates. Worth 200 billion. 200 billion. She said I'm gone. Yeah, Bagel's wife. I'm gone. But you say money can buy happiness.

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't even like the fact that you. I'm just saying, listen, the fact that we have billionaires in this world. The fact that we have billionaires in this world. And one of the things with little girls growing up, they're taught you got to find you someone that's able to provide and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a few other billionaires that I named not too long ago on one of the shows have not been able to keep a woman happy long term, they just. They just have.

[Chad Johnson]

At the end of the day, Ocho, what chance.

[Ocho Cinco]

What chance do us normal folks have.

[Chad Johnson]

You got to be happy? Ocho, you make it seem like it's only the women or men get divorced, too. Men leave relationships.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't never seen. I ain't never. Well, don't do that. When the last time you seen a man initiate a divorce? I ain't seen it. I ain't seen it in a very long time.

[Chad Johnson]

More times than not, it is the woman initiating, but it's the woman that's also getting fed up with something. So it's not something that she. Women don't haphazardly do things. Women are very methodical. They're very thoughtful, very. They're not just rushing out. They're not. See a guy, see a guy, see a guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing. That ain't how women think. Women don't think like that. Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman. When a woman leaves a man and they've been in a relationship for an extended period of time, she's had it up to here. Now, you notice I said here because when she had it up to here, she stayed when she get to here. Right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Also, what you need to understand too, uncle, you got to think about this. When a woman is fed up before she gets to here and she's right here, all her checks, all her checks and ducks got to be in a row. All her I's got to be dotted and all her T's got to be crossed before she gets to here so she can exit. The plan has to be played out completely. She can't leave until she knows exactly what plan is and they're going to execute itself. Because you can't leave and then be dead in the world. Which is why when you told me we talk about billionaires and their wives in marriage and divorce, you notice they always take half with them, right?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, a lot of times there's like, look, look here, I ain't taking half because neither one of them had prenups. So theoretically, they could have got a big old chunk. They could have got more than what they got now, 40, 50 billion. They ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah, but I think the thing is, a lot of times when women, women already see, women already told you what they're unhappy about and, you know, fix it. We ain't listening. And then like, man, I don't know what happened. Well, she kind of told you and she dropped breadcrumbs. Not only did she tell you she dropped bread crumbs that made a loaf, but you didn't hear, oh, over time.

[Ocho Cinco]

You made the loaf over time.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over seven 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one Mirror Ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you texted me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like all the little thumbs up and hearts and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.

[Chad Johnson]

There was something sentimental when you like when, when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't like the color edition.

[Chad Johnson]

It's extremely pink.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, this is Mel Reed, LPGA Tour winner and six time ladies European tour winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC sports reporter and host. You forgot to say warm and Miss America, by the way. And we've got a new podcast, Quiet Please with Mel and Kira. We are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture, some golf haps and interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower or just people we like. Plus tales from the road and everything in between.

[Ocho Cinco]

By the way, golf isn't just for.

[Chad Johnson]

The dads, brads and chads. Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code and we're not going to be quiet about it on or off the course. We're bringing on some of our friends like Michelle We, Heather McMahon, Amanda Baliotis. So if you want to keep up with us and here is your app, tune into our new podcast, Listen to Quiet Please with Mel and Kira, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Ocho, you got the dig first. First overall pick Markell Folts is back in the NBA. Fultz has agreed to a contract with the Sacramento Kings. The 26 year old guard has spent first half of the season without a deal following an expiration of his rookie contract extension in summer of 24. He could see early play in time as the squad tries to fill the boy point guard left by De'Aaron Fox, who was traded to the Spurs. Will Folts ever be able to show why he was the former? No, no, he's never that trip. That ship is sailed.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is it here? Is it still here? What if here is fixed now? I think that's the barrier he couldn't get past.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. Didn't they take him over Jason Tatum? They took him over Jason Tatum.

[Ocho Cinco]

He was like that, huh? Never forget he was like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, that shot.

[Ocho Cinco]

They took him off. They. Based on what he showed Ocho, that.

[Chad Johnson]

Shot, you don't normally take a guy with that. With a shot that looked that defective. The mechanics. Come on, Ocho, right, you in four times, ain't nobody listening, no matter how good he is. I don't believe a number one receiver is going number one overall. As a body catcher, you gotta be able to pluck the ball. You gotta be able to play in traffic. You gotta be able to transition. So if you got that many flaws.

[Ocho Cinco]

Number one overall, I mean, listen, listen. Shots can be fixed. Lethal shooter is right there down the street. He's not too far. You get with him in the offseason if it's that big of a problem. Hell, Shawn Marion, remember his shot?

[Chad Johnson]

He went first overall, though. See, that's the thing. If you take a guy like. You take a guy like 15, 16. Think about it. You take a guy number one overall, he's supposed to be franchise changing. He's supposed to be LeBron, Shaq, that's what he. Akeem, Wilt, Kareem, Magic Johnson. That's what they're supposed to be. A Dwight Howard, franchise altering. He wasn't there. AI.

[Ocho Cinco]

I have a question. Based on what you saw, the folks coming out of college, you didn't think once he got where he was going, he had to be franchise changing based on the film that he put up in college?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I looked at him. I mean, he was like. He had a lot of hit or miss, but I was just always leery of that shot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

It just concerned me. It did. You think somebody would have took Shawn Merriman number one overall? No, you don't. He would have had.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on, hold on. He would have been. He would have had to be extremely dominant. In other.

[Chad Johnson]

In other, he was an offstanding defender. Yeah, he turned himself into. He. With that shot. He turned himself into a decent shooter, can make threes, but he could defend, he could rebound. I just, it's just hard. No, too much time has passed for him to live up to what he was where he was selected, the slot that he was selected as. No, he's not living up to that now, can he? Hopefully he can have a serviceable career moving forward. He was out of the league? Yeah, he was outta the league for first half of the season. What guy, you know that's out of the league for first half of a season all of a sudden comes back and you like, well, you know what? Hey, we sure made a mistake on him. Right? It doesn't happen like that. I mean, right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, listen, hoping he comes back and makes a difference. He feels in that role in Sack that Darien Fox, De'Aaron De'Aaron Fox leaves and he can come in and be efficient and be somewhat if not what we thought he would be, be some close to it.

[Chad Johnson]

But here's the thing. You can have a quirky shot a la Ben Simmons, but normally you need to be 16. Ben Simmons was an All NBA defender. He was an All Star, 6 foot 10, could handle the ball. But you see, eventually that caught up with him because he became afraid to shoot the basketball. You see, I can't teach you how to shoot if you're afraid. See, I can't teach you how to swim if you're afraid of the water. You can't learn how to swim.

[Ocho Cinco]

You heard, you saw, you heard what you just said. Ben Simmons was scared shoot. Marquez became scared to do also.

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Ocho Cinco]

So guess what?

[Chad Johnson]

He's scared to go to the basket because he didn't want to get fouled.

[Ocho Cinco]

He didn't want to get fouled. This is a contact sport.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a physical. Now I'm going send you to the free throw line.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, so we don't want. Yeah, see again, guess where that starts. Yeah, mentally they are, they, they already, they're already beat mentally before they even get to the game. So you can't even play the game freely because there are certain parts of.

[Chad Johnson]

Your game you don't want to get exposed. Yeah, I just, I, I, I, I just.

[Ocho Cinco]

You already lose before you even play.

[Chad Johnson]

I just thought Ben Simmons didn't work hard enough on his game. It's hard because I see guys, look at Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves has gotten better and better. An undrafted free agent has gotten better and better and better and better. It's hard for a guy to not, to get, to not get incrementally better if he or she doesn't work on something. You ought to Get. I'm not saying you finna take. I'm not finna say the guy about to be Michael Jordan or Kobe, but you can get better. Go back and look at Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons ain't getting better in nothing offensively. As a matter of fact, the number went down.

[Ocho Cinco]

Also the two comparing the two Austin Reeds had no choice but to get better. Austin Reeves had no choice but to improve. Austin Reeves is already behind eight ball in general, as a basketball player, Ben Simmons is what, 6?

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Ocho Cinco]

16 is Ben Simmons 6? 10. Put the ball on the floor. Shoot. He can't shoot that well. He can defend. So there's a difference in Austin Reeves having to bust his ass to get to the point where he's at right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, see what you said? You see what you said? So Ben Simmons came in as the number one pick and felt that, you know what? I ain't got to bust my ass.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I'm exactly which is.

[Chad Johnson]

Which goes to my point. It's hard not to get incrementally better if you work at something.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

If I can't, if I only collect one can a year, Ocho, in 50 years I'm gonna have 50 cans as opposed to not collecting any. I go two or three years and don't collect any, guess what I'm gonna have? Nothing. Nothing. And that's the thing. It's hard for me. There is no way 6 foot 10 can handle the ball, can defend. He can defend like four or five positions. He can guard a smaller point guard. He can guard a two, a three, a four.

[Ocho Cinco]

When I look at Ben Simmons, I know, Chad, don't get on me like this, but I see Ben Simmons. He should have been Jayson Tatum before Jayson Tatum.

[Chad Johnson]

He should have been LeBron. He should have been a bigger LeBron. Magnie Johnson, because that's what he was. He's a point guard. He's a 6 foot 10 point guard.

[Ocho Cinco]

And he can facilitate like crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what he should have been like Crazy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And he can defend. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

Some of the biggest busts of all time in NBA history. And we use that term when we say bust. Obviously you get to the NBA, there's a success, but when you are the first overall pick, you're supposed to be franchise altering. Anthony Bennett. Lord have mercy for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Greg Oden. Greg Oden I think would have been successful had his knees not gave out on him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, the injuries. Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

My homeboy from Savannah Purvis, Ellison. His knees gave out on him. Markell spoke. Think he had a knee injury and a shoulder injury. He tried to change his shot but it just didn't work. But I wish the young man the best of luck. He can't be no more than what, 26, 27 tops. Cause he gotta be like the same or 26. So he's still, hey, hopefully young fella can get a couple of, get a couple of years stick, get an opportunity, get some playing time. Cause I've seen him, I've seen him, you know, have good games, just not consistent.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean I've seen, I think I saw him one game, he had a triple double, had like 20 something. But playing at the pro level, being a starter, it's all about consistency. That's what it's about. Cause any guy on a given, any of those 450 players on a given night. Let me take that back. Not the top, let's just say the top 75 players, we know what they can do, but the other 250 can give you hell on a given night. The problem is they can't be consistent like the other 75. The top 75 can. That's what separates go. It's all about consistency. The restaurants that do the best business, what are they they consistent? The service, the quality of the food.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

The hospitality. Consistency. That's what it's all about. The volume.

[Ocho Cinco]

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