Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs reflect on SAD season, Don’t mess with DeMar DeRozan, Tracee Ellis Ross’s love life

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary Episode: Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs Reflect on SAD Season, Don’t Mess with DeMar DeRozan, Tracee Ellis Ross’s Love Life
Release Date: April 20, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.

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Mavericks Reflect on a Tumultuous Season

[04:00] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon Sharpe opens the discussion by addressing the Dallas Mavericks' challenging season. Despite significant hurdles, including roster changes and injuries, Sharpe expresses pride in the team's perseverance and commitment.
"It sucks. It really sucks. But I'm really proud of every man in this locker room. We showed up to work every day. We try to do the right things every day."
[05:40] Chad Johnson:
Chad Johnson questions the narrative presented by the Mavericks' management, suggesting that the team might have made misguided decisions regarding key players.
"Actually you let your best player go. When you let your best player go, you bought an ad. But what happened?"
[06:10] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe elaborates on the team's struggles, highlighting the impact of injuries on key players like Kyrie Irving and DeMar DeRozan. He emphasizes the resilience shown by the team despite being down to eight or nine players at one point.
"We gave ourselves a shot to get into the playoffs. It sucks. It really sucks."
[08:51] Chad Johnson:
Johnson delves into potential trade scenarios, particularly focusing on Kevin Durant's (KD) future, questioning whether the Mavericks can realistically compete for a championship.
"I don't think Dallas is going to be in the KD sweepstakes... I don't think they have the draft capital."
[09:44] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe reflects on historical team dynamics, comparing the current Mavericks' situation to past NBA teams and the critical role of star players.
"LeBron and KD, that's a push. Steph and Klay, Steph and Kyrie, that's a push."
[12:16] Chad Johnson & Greg Rosenthal:
The conversation shifts to strategic team moves and draft capital, with Johnson and Rosenthal debating the Mavericks' ability to retain or acquire top talent.

The Future of DeMar DeRozan in the Mavericks

[29:12] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe shifts focus to a viral incident involving DeMar DeRozan, discussing its impact on the Mavericks' public image and player relations.
"There’s a viral video that surfaced today. DeMar was sitting at a table when a random person shoved the phone in his face with a flashlight on."
[30:02] Greg Rosenthal:
Rosenthal comments on the situation, highlighting the consequences of such actions on player safety and team reputation.
"Somebody grabbing people by the shoulder... stop saying, if I made this, if I made that."
[33:06] Chad Johnson:
Johnson emphasizes the importance of respecting players' personal space and the negative repercussions of unprofessional fan behavior.
"He's trying to do a quick buck because DeMar didn’t touch him hard enough to do anything that bad."
[37:22] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe concludes the segment by urging fans to interact respectfully with players, stressing that such incidents can tarnish the team's image.
"Everybody deserves a level of respect. Stop running up on people doing this stuff."

Tracee Ellis Ross’s Love Life: Age and Relationships

[45:30] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe introduces the segment focusing on Tracee Ellis Ross's dating preferences, particularly her inclination towards younger men, citing her reasons related to toxic masculinity.
"Tracee Ellis Ross says she only dates younger men because a lot of men my age are steeped in toxic masculinity... I have no interest in it and I will not do it again."
[46:40] Chad Johnson:
Johnson discusses societal perceptions of older women dating younger men, highlighting the dynamics of control and compatibility.
"Older women love dating younger men. It's been like that for a very long time... To each their own."
[48:06] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe critiques the hypocrisy in societal reactions to older women dating younger men versus older men dating younger women, questioning the double standards prevalent in media and public opinion.
"I’m just saying, the hypocrisy of older women dating younger men versus older men dating younger women."
[50:35] Chad Johnson:
Johnson defends the relationships, emphasizing mutual control and the freedom older women have to choose partners without societal constraints.
"If you're in a position like Ms. Ross, you can do that. You get to pick and choose who you want."
[52:45] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe wraps up the discussion by asserting that relationships should be based on mutual respect and consent, irrespective of age differences.
"I don't care what people do in their homes. But I'm just saying, the hypocrisy of older women dating younger men."

Audience Interactions and Final Thoughts

[60:10] Chad Johnson:
The hosts engage in light-hearted banter about traveling, planes, and personal anecdotes, reinforcing the camaraderie among the panelists.
"If you meet somebody and she's wearing something revealing, you gonna make her stop wearing it, or are you gonna like, okay, baby, hey, I met you when you was wearing this."
[65:29] Greg Rosenthal:
Rosenthal brings the conversation back to sports talk, discussing the Lakers-Timberwolves series and the implications of recent game outcomes.
"They came with a purpose. They attacked the Lakers all night long."
[67:20] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe concludes with reflections on past NBA legends and the potential trajectories of players like D. Rose, highlighting their impact despite injuries.
"He was special, man. He was special."

Conclusion

[73:59] Shannon Sharpe:
Sharpe closes the episode by addressing audience questions, promoting upcoming events, and thanking listeners for their support. He emphasizes the importance of respectful interactions and looks forward to future discussions.
"Please make sure you hit that subscribe button... Thank you guys for tuning in."

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [04:00]:
  "It sucks. It really sucks. But I'm really proud of every man in this locker room."

• Chad Johnson [05:40]:
  "Actually you let your best player go. When you let your best player go, you bought an ad."

• Shannon Sharpe [06:10]:
  "We gave ourselves a shot to get into the playoffs. It sucks. It really sucks."

• Chad Johnson [48:38]:
  "Older women love dating younger men. It's been like that for a very long time."

• Shannon Sharpe [50:35]:
  "I don't care what people do in their homes. But I'm just saying, the hypocrisy of older women dating younger men."

• Greg Rosenthal [67:26]:
  "D. Rose... he was special, man. He was special."

Final Thoughts

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a deep dive into the Dallas Mavericks' season challenges, the complexities surrounding DeMar DeRozan's role within the team, and an insightful discussion on Tracee Ellis Ross's personal relationships. Shannon Sharpe, along with his co-hosts Chad Johnson and Greg Rosenthal, provides listeners with engaging commentary, blending sports analysis with contemporary social issues. The episode is enriched with candid moments and thought-provoking dialogue, making it a valuable listen for fans and newcomers alike.

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[Chad Johnson]

So I mean they can't, they can't tell the truth. Jason Kidd can't say what he really wants to say.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What's that? What's that?

[Chad Johnson]

You know what they want to say. They not going to say it. They can't say it. They are part of the team. Clay know what he want to say, but he can't say it. What are you proud of? Actually you let your best player go. When you let your best player go, you bought an ad. But what happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got hurt soon as he got there.

[Chad Johnson]

Cancun on what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And Kyrie got hurt. Now Kyrie, look, that's the killer. You get Kyrie back and you play. Now Kyrie is tremendous in the pick and roll. Now just imagine him dropping that thing off the AD who got mid range can finish at the rim and he's protection and you got other two other bigs that can let AD play with his natural position to play. He the where he feels most comfortable which is the fourth line. So I'm not. Look, I, I never thought this was like we look at this right now because if you look at it right now, yeah, the Lakers got the better of the deal but in full strength when they get Kyrie back and repair him with A.D. now you might have to ship one of those bigs off and get. I mean look, do I believe Dallas is going to be in the KD sweepstakes? Yeah, but what do they have to offer? I don't think they have the. I don't think they have the draft capital.

[Chad Johnson]

So if they don't have the draft capital, basically the only team that has draft capital. So KD going okc. So it's going to be Katie and sga.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't know. But you, but you have to understand, I don't know if Sam Preston want that right SGA because look now you got SGA got the ball in his hand all the time.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, if they win it, if OKC mess around and win it, they messing that up.

[Chad Johnson]

They're not gonna play with it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I, I agree with you Joe because I believe had Golden State won the championship Against Cleveland when It was up 3:1. I don't believe they get Kevin Durant. Nope. But they got Kevin Durant because they realized we'll never be able to beat Cleveland again.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With LeBron at his apex, Kyrie is now an all Star is at his apex. We'll never beat him again. We gotta get a neutralizer. We've gotta get somebody that can go head to head with LeBron James. And at that point in time, there's only one man that could go head to head with him and match him bucket for bucket, and that was Kevin Durant. Yep.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yep. That was it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because when you look at it, LeBron and KD, that's a push. Steph and Klay, Steph and Kyrie, that's a push.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the difference was what Klay gave you. Kevin Love wasn't consistent enough. And when they went. And when LeBron went to the bench, when they brought in Livingston and they brought in those shock troops in the second unit. So I don't know. I don't know if Kevin Durant wants to go back to okc. Probably not. He left for a reason.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I don't think so either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do Sam Presti want him back? Because, you know, you heard the rumor, Joe. Sam Presti value Russ more than he valued KD.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, KD. If KD's going somewhere else again after leaving the teams, he's left Brooklyn, Phoenix, okc. Obviously he played with the warriors and got rings. Wouldn't he want to go somewhere where he had the chance to get another ring and not just be playing basketball or going to another team just to. Just to be there? Because I want to be happy. I want to go where I can win. And what team gives them the best chance to win back home in okc? I said the Heat. I mean, even with Dread going to the Heat, there's nothing of value that we can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't the wizard of Oz. There's no place like home. There's no place like home. This ain't it. Hey, I like him in Detroit with Cade Cunningham.

[Chad Johnson]

We just said. I'm sure he wants to win a championship.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hold up, though. I like him in Texas and either Mavericks or Houston.

[Chad Johnson]

Championship. That ain't it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Him and Kyrie. Yeah, they beat Ben Vorman and you ain't.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And hopefully you can keep. If you can't keep both of them bigs, you can at least keep one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing. Though, Joe, what draft capital do you have to give up? I guess that 28 first round pick that you got from, that you got from the Lakers.

[Greg Rosenthal]

They gonna have to piece something together. They gonna have to do some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might have to get about five or six teams involved.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You gonna have to do something. You gonna have to make it work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guess what, Joe, I ain't in the business to try to help you win a championship. No, I ain't got nothing. I don't want to deal. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.

[Chad Johnson]

On, hold on, Joe. Unc, why not just go back to Golden State?

[Greg Rosenthal]

He ran that course already, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did. But, Joe, you and I agree. You see, Ocho hadn't bought in yet. Dropping Kevin Durant in doesn't automatically mean championship, because we've seen him dropped in a couple of places other than Golden State. Golden State had won 73 games the year before Kevin Durant got there. They had an mvp, a unanimous mvp. The only guy that's ever won it unanimously. So it was a perfect fit. But let's be fair. The other places that he's been, he didn't make them better.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Outside when he was in Brooklyn and his foot was on the line. When they played against the Bucks that year, I thought they. I thought they had a pretty good chance, but I think Kyrie got hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Harden was already hurt. And then Kyrie got hurt, like game two. But they had a 20 lead now. Yeah, yeah. And game seven was on your court or your home court. Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Injuries are part of the game, man. It happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, if Kyrie and Kevin Love don't get hurt, we might be having a different discussion about Steph Curry and LeBron. Yep.

[Greg Rosenthal]

How about that first one? The first, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Steph Curry. I mean, Kyrie got hurt in that overtime. Yeah, yeah. And Kevin Love didn't even play at all. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know, Joe. I like. I like kd. To me, it make the most sense if he does go somewhere else. Again, again, another move. I'm thinking rain. I'm thinking ring.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So you think you saying okc. What I'm saying is okc.

[Chad Johnson]

Or the word Back, back, back to the words. Even though he's already done it. You, you on the. You on the back end. You not young no more. So cement your legacy even some more. Go back to okc. Whatever riff or any issues you might have with. Is it Christy? That's his name. Christy Presley. Presley, yeah, whatever. If there's any issues. Men, that. Man, we talking basketball. Forget Personal issues or go back to the Warriors.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I just think OKC going to do well this postseason, and they'll. They can end up winning it without. They the youngest team in the league already, Ocho. So they end up winning that even if they got to the finals. I can't see. I couldn't see them doing it because you're gonna have to give. You gonna have to give some of that youth up you got over there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but if you give up the youth, you make enough for it in production that KD gonna bring.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I don't think they willing to do that. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I don't think they willing to do that, Jay.

[Chad Johnson]

Like my grandma used to say, I raised my hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, for me, Joe, Kevin Durant went to Golden State. He got the rings, now he gets to play free. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I went to Golden State. Because we gonna have the same conversation. He's not going to go to State. He was going to have the same conversation that we have about Carbolo. But we have by Charles Barkley, by. We have by other great players. Who's the greatest player never to win a ring, right? He got the ring now he could play free. Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

And he ain't coattail. Hey, Uncle Ocho, he ain't coattail neither.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, he got that. He. He.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He led the way, man. He was impressive, you know, in those two runs he had with Golden State, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was 35 in that first series, man.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, he was a mismatch problem. He was a nightmare. He was a nightmare.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So that's the thing. Look, everybody. Everybody criticize. People didn't criticize him because he was a free agent. They didn't criticize him for that. They was like, bro, how you joined a team that you had down three one and you go link up with them. You had them down three one, I believe. Look. And people like, what? But Golden State needed KD as much as KD needed them. KD realized. Kd, he see. And now you say, well, he could have went anywhere and won a championship. No, he couldn't. He needed to go there because he goes, they're not beating the Cavs. Braun is at his apex. Yeah. That Braun control the entire game. Yeah. Kyrie giving you 26, 27. Kevin love's gonna give you the rebounds. Tristan Thompson give you rebounds. And you got Junior. You got guys that can make timely threes. They needed each other. Nobody needed anybody more than anybody else. Golden State needed Kd KD needed Golden State. That's why they got on a plane and went to the Hamptons. That's why Kevin Durant, Rich Kleiman, told him where he was. Yeah, bro, I'm up in the Hamptons. I'm in Sag Harbor. Come on up here, holler at your boy, see what y'all booted up. That contingent, Bob Myers, Steve Kerr, Draymond, Steph and Clay. Yep.

[Greg Rosenthal]

A match made in heaven. Because now KD's playing with the greatest shooter ever. And you know Clay is just as good. So you know that's a nightmare because KD's so great in isolation. He can shoot, he can play off those guys and they create so much attention.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That the game was so stress free for him, he could just freelance.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I think I'm gonna get y'all about 40 tonight. I'm gonna get about 35 tonight. I'm just chilling. Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's cause think about, think about the attention that Steph draws. Draws. Yeah. Now this was five, six years ago. And think about it, the tension. And you got Clay, who's one of the, arguably one of the two or three best catch and shoot three point shooters in the history of the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got perpetual motion, which is Steph. You got a great spot up shooter, which is Clay. And you got a guy as efficient as there ever anybody in Kevin Durant shooting the ball. A three level score, three point mid range, can finish at the rim. A 88, 90% free throw shooter. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Too easy. It's too easy. And people like, well, it ain't even fun no more, you know, I mean, you got those two guys together, but hey. And he got tired of hearing it. I know he's gonna say that's not the case, but. And I said this, Joe. I said this was New Edition. When Johnny Gill joined Johnny, New Edition fans was never going to accept Johnny because he didn't grow up in Roxbury, Boston.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Right. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't a part of the original group. He wasn't the Candy Rain. I mean, Candy girl, he wasn't that. That's not him.

[Chad Johnson]

Candy girl, that's not him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't. He wasn't. Ralph and Bobby and Ricky Mike. No, that ain't him. And Johnny, could I say. And hey, don't get me wrong, all of them. Because think about it, all of them went solo.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bobby did his thing. How that Ralph trans man sensitivity you had, you had the other guys Bell, Bib, devoe trying to get woo, woo, woo. Big Johnny bad ain't with Johnny, though. They better with Johnny. No. So he was never going to be accepted. It was always going to be Clay. It's the same thing with LeBron. LeBron can win five titles, right? LeBron is never going to be bigger than Kobe, never going to be bigger than Magic, never going to be bigger than Shaq. It's just not. And even though Shaq didn't originate there, but those other two, yeah, Magic and Kobe, I don't care who come. You not finna be bigger than them.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Beloved.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is what it is, don't y'all. It is what it is. It's just like you in Cincinnati. Somebody else come in and they might put up great numbers. Nah. But guess what, Ocho. We drafted Ocho. We drafted Chase. It is what it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hopefully KD gets somewhere. Cause he's still giving you 26 or 9.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So if you put himself well, he ain't got to do, you know, the dirty work, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That ain't him defending the tough guy. Let him freelance, man. Come on.

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[Greg Rosenthal]

Cool, man. Hopefully they keep him. He's. He's too great of a piece, man. You know, I was at the game the other night, Ocho. Yeah, we should have beat y'all, but whatever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, man.

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I just. This is the perfect time for you and Uncle. I know we have a lot of Heat fans that are watching, and you and Unk said that the Atlanta Hawks were going to beat us, so, I mean, you can take it upon yourself, you know, to issue an apology, not just to me, but to the rest of the Heat nation out there, because you did say we was going to lose, and it didn't happen. Did we make a bet? Did we bet?

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't pay it.

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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I know we got it. Hey, I know anybody back, they got a picture of the truck so we can see it. There you go, right there. You see it? You see what it says?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's yours. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You see what it's saying? The window? What other little clip without a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna tear your ass up. That's what's in the window.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, you know. You know, when you get the truck, they get to see it right there. See what I say? Congratulations.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What'd it say?

[Chad Johnson]

Congratulations. Chad Johnson. That's me. That's me. You happy for me, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y'all see how this man doing? Nah, but listen, this man just. This man just buying stuff.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He said 20, 25. He Living for himself.

[Chad Johnson]

Yo, I ain't. I ain't done nothing nice for myself in years, man. I ain't done. And so, you know, this year, 2025, I really decided to treat myself, and I'm just. I feel good because most of the time, I'm. I'm really on the receiving end. I'm always the one giving. People take people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me my money. Huh?

[Greg Rosenthal]

What's next? What you get next? I know you forget something else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Casket.

[Chad Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Casket. That's what's next.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You want that Marvel joint? No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, you gonna pay me my money, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I promise you. I promise you. All right, listen, I promise you. I got my Cyber truck, I got my Lambo. I bought the new house. I'm good. You know, Let me finish the pool. In the back. When I finish the pool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. What kind of bush.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hey, Ocho, you gotta chill. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

No, but my kids like to swim. I'm trying to teach them. I'm trying to teach my daughter to swim. Let me finish the pool. Give my daughter lessons. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about my kids?

[Chad Johnson]

Your kids, they like stuff, too? Yeah. Your kids grown, though? They good? My. My daughter's only three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, I think you good. Listen, Joe, I. I done told. I done told him many of times. Download, Apple Pay, it's on your phone. Cash app, Venmo, PayPal, any of these apps to make the transaction.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Easy.

[Chad Johnson]

He's refusing to do that. He. He's refusing to do so. I don't understand. Listen, he just got a dog, right? He sent the lady a wire in advance. So he sent a wire which lets me know that you can do a transaction. So I had the same way you sent that wire. I could wire your 5200. But he don't want that. He want cash. I don't carry cash. Hey, look at my dog. What about Titus?

[Greg Rosenthal]

How much you weigh, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

173.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he. 173.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real? Yeah, man. He oo. First of all, Shelly sent. Shelly sent the wire. I don't have no wire. I don't. I don't know how to do that. I don't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

All right. What's Shelly. Information I sent. I'll send. I'll send it to Shelly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, this.

[Greg Rosenthal]

This is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is a transaction between you and I. You see?

[Chad Johnson]

You see Joe? You see how he being. See how he being difficult? You see what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This.

[Chad Johnson]

This is. This is why we are where we are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The last time. The last time. Let me tell you why I stopped sending wires. I bought some tires. Uh huh. And I don't know if I made a mistake or the bank made a mistake, right? But it was supposed to be 2500 and 2500,000 went out, so I don't know if I made a mistake. They made the mistake, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Serious?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Greg Rosenthal]

They gave back.

[Chad Johnson]

You got your money back, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I said I was done. I was done after that. I ain't. I haven't sent out another wire since. Yeah, I ain't got no apps. I ain't got nothing. Yeah. So, okay, I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

I got you. I got you. Baltimore show. I want everybody in Baltimore to watch me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. That's two months away. You've been on, bro. You've been on.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You've been on me since February, March, April, May. So I gotta wait five months?

[Chad Johnson]

You, I got. I gotta pay child support.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I gotta do? Oh, boy. I'm tell you like my girl asked her mom the babysit the kids one day.

[Chad Johnson]

Talk to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what she told her? Cause we wanted to go out. She said, you F for that one. You watching. You F for those kids. I ain't fit to worry about your child support payments.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just playing. I ain't on child support. But I'm gonna give your money, though. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You keep saying you gonna give me my money, but Chad, he ain't giving my money.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't forget now. Lakers in five. I got you. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, guys. I don't know if you guys have seen this video. There's a viral video that surfaced today. DeMar DeRozan in a sushi restaurant. Demar was sitting at a table when a random person shoved the phone in his face with a flashlight. On. The prankster uploaded the video and later showed himself in the ambulance.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if you've seen it. Demar Derog, who was sitting at a table with his family, looked like with his family or some friends. The guy came up, put the phone in his place about Demar. They're trying to throw me out of the restaurant. Demar, like, bro, don't walk up on me. That. And people like, well, he was just. You don't. I don't know that, right? You got the luxury of hindsight, but somebody just walking up on you and putting the phone in your face. Bro, stop playing, people. Y'all play too much. I don't know why. I've never seen grown people play so much with people that you don't know at a mall. I'm watching these people in these. What was it, Costco? Not Costco, but like Lowe's or Home Depot. And they throwing pillows on stuff. And they do us, man, will y'all stop playing Content creating. When did grown people start playing so much? Joe. That's what. Joe, you and Ocho probably close to the same age, but I don't remember grown folks playing when I was coming up.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hey, these. These young candidates out here, they creating content. Oh, they out here creating content. And anything that's gonna go viral, somebody put them. Somebody put them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say he was in the.

[Greg Rosenthal]

He was in the ambulance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what. That's what he. Yeah, he tried to get. But see, now, see? And they go, oh, man. No, bro. You come up in that man's face with him, with his family, and you shove the phone in his face because. Don't say you didn't know who he was, because you didn't do. You did that because you knew who it was. Now if you go to his page, it's like, he's a comedian. Like, he's a prankster. He doing stuff like that. Okay? But with somebody, hey, somebody gonna get laid down. And then they go like, well, he was just playing every. I keep telling people, everybody don't play how you play.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

You know what? He's Trying to do, huh? You know, he trying to get a quick buck. You know he trying to get a quick buck because Demar didn't touch him. Demar ain't touch him hard enough to do anything that bad. Where you got to be inside the ambulance, you know, Hey, I felt threatened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I feel threatened.

[Chad Johnson]

That's his defense. Demar. I felt threat. Yeah, it should work. It should work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

St. Hey, stupid game. When you play a stupid game, you win stupid prizes. Yes, sir, but y'all got fans. I. I get. He's not a fan. He's not a fan. So let me take that back. Fans, y'all gotta understand, at the end of the day, see, y'all quick to say money don't make you better, but y'all do things and then think money should. No, I'm a human being. You would get upset. Stop saying, if I made this, if I made that. No, you wouldn't. It's easy to say what you would do because you're not in that situation. Everybody deserves a level of respect. Stop running up on people doing this stuff. I ain't talking about fans. Y'all gotta understand. They don't know you like that. Y'all grabbing people by the shoulder. Hey, hey, bro, stop that.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what? It's funny. And if athletes don't know you, at least approach them the right way in a respectful manner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Approach them as if they don't know you. You tried to walk up on somebody just cause you recognize them, they don't know you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So it's a way to do things. It's a way to do things. You know, if it was. If it was me. If you didn't know me, and I saw you unc. And I saw you out, you know, I understand it. Listen, I'm Mr. Shaw. I would probably never see you again. You know, And I just want to take this opportunity to say I'm a fan of yours. If you take a picture, if you sign, if not. I understand because it's your personal time, and I don't invade your space. But if you would do me the graces of. Just give me. Give me a signature and give me a picture, and I get out your way. If you see, I'm still gonna be a fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Ocho, I'm in the airport. Me and Joy walking. Dude, dude, come. Dude, come put his arm around me. Talking about. Let's get a selfie. Did you take it a little quick? Little silver just on Quick boat.

[Chad Johnson]

You got him up on for you, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Come on. Now. Oh. Oh, you gotta take a picture with me. I said, no, I don't gotta do anything. I said, but if you ask nicely in a respectful manner, I'll take a picture with you. Stop this. I got to. Oh, you ain't. And please, please. I'll take a picture. If I'm in a. If I'm not in a hurry. I'm not running late. I'm gonna take a picture, but I'm not gonna sit there while you call somebody and we get on the phone. Guess who. Look who it is. Look who it is. That I got.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. You already didn't wanna stop, but now you finna sit here and make a whole phone call, and you want me to sit here and talk to somebody who. I have no idea who this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even know you. I know them even less than I know you. At least you standing here. You here to do it yourself.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, my favorite. Can you make a video from a. Can you make a video from a family member? They a fan of yours.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they. So they knew, like, hey, guess what? I'm going to the airport. I normally see Ocho today, so I'm gonna have it when I see it, I'll have. Make a video, tell you, give you a shot of Happy birthday.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm a little bit more lenient, you know, Joe, because I'm. I'm very sociable. You know places. I don't go out often, but when I go places, I'd be ready, will you come up to me? And I'm sure some people. I'm. It might be people in the chat that have seen me in public somewhere. Why sit there and hug you and act like I've known you 30 years? Yeah, I'm holding. I hold a conversation. I'm a little different, Unk. I know you don't play that. Unk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't play that, Ocho. I'd be sitting at the table, about to eat. I fist bump you, dude. Say, hey, bro, I want to shake your hand. No, bro, I'm about to eat. I'm about to eat. I don't mind taking. Like I said, if I'm not in a hurry, right? Man, yesterday I was at the wrong gate. I was at gate 20. My gate is at 135. I'm in international, right? I was like. I asked the lady, can you get a card? Oh, Lord have mercy. Ain't no card on your.

[Greg Rosenthal]

You had to book it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got to book it now. Rest his soul. I'm sweating like Michael Jackson before the verdict is read. I'm sweating, you know what I'm saying? Pouring off me. I got my bag on your man, you know, but my heels bad. My knee bad. I got to walk a mile. They tell me it's the final call. The lady. Is that you, mister? Is that you, Mr. Sharp? Yeah, that's me. You better hurry. We about to close the door.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, bro, you would have been, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You would have been d one way from back down there. Hey, can we get a picture together? I said, bro, you think I'm about to Mr. Flank to take a picture with you? I said, you put. Hey, hey.

[Greg Rosenthal]

I can only imagine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, lord have mercy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Listen, look, it's a. It's a once in a lifetime thing. They probably ain't gonna never run into you again. That I got to get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got to get him, Joe. I had already missed one flight. I had already missed the flight.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dealing with LA traffic, it's supposed to be on the 3:30. I get to the airport at 3:20.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I would miss that flight. Okay. I'm sitting down there like, you know, I've been to dental club, you know, I'm like eating some chicken. I'm eating some adobe chicken. You know, they got some cornbread. I eat up there. I look up like, damn, I better go, you know. So I hopped by, I'm like, oh, I ain't nobody right around the corner. You know, this ain't nothing me, right, man. I get to gate 20. I gave the lady my phone up and said, she's like, sir, what flight are you trying to go? I said, I'm going to Vegas. She say, honey, this going to Salt Lake City. I'm like, oh, Lord, Salt Lake City. I said, so, ma'am, if you don't mind me asking, where the flight of Las Vegas, she got a little thing. She like, oh, it's at 135. I say, how far is that? She say, son, it's in the international. I said, well, how far is that?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it was stressful for you, wasn't it? I already know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Now, mind you, did the interview, had an interview yesterday with. I can't tell you who it is. Great though. We had a great time. She'll talk. I will tell you that. She can talk. So now I'm supposed to get to the airport a certain time. Traffic now I'm already late. We got nightcap now. If I don't get this flight.

[Chad Johnson]

I would have Took the show. I would have took the show. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Back to the hotel. I gotta go. Jordan already joined ass. He already. Shelly. Blowing my phone up. Jordan's on the flight. He said he hadn't seen you. Well, I hadn't seen him either. Well, he should have called me. They came and got me. Hey, hey, hey.

[Greg Rosenthal]

That's why if you ever fly private, you'll really, really appreciate it. Because you know what it's like going to the airport. You know how stressful it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, man. I ain't got private money. I got public money. That's why I fly Public Airlines. Right, right.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Joe, you be flying private every blue moon, Ocho. I gotta have something real important to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Would that run you? I don't mean to be in your pocket. I'm not trying to count you, man. I'm just asking what that run.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's all about how far you're going. Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Depending on where you're going and what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Type of jet you getting on, what you own. Okay, you want a citation? You a bombardier. You want a G6, G5, 4, what you own.

[Chad Johnson]

What's the lowest G? It go to one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you probably. I mean, it probably started about what? I'll probably say around 5, 5 an hour, and probably go up to 20 an hour.

[Chad Johnson]

20 who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

20K you get expensive.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Ojo.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm, I'm good. I'll leave that to the CEOs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, you gotta tell me nothing. Like I said, hey, it's gotta. It's got to be very, very, very right? Very, very.

[Chad Johnson]

And especially matter of fact, if you, whatever, you spend it, right? The flat, private, and whatever it is that's important. If, if the reason for going where you got to go of importance is about making that money back, then I can see it. I, I, I can see it. I can understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I hate Ocho Boy. I hate cutting that chick. Cause you got to wire that money and you wire 80,000.

[Chad Johnson]

80 who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And even if you, if you make. Why 80,000? Even if you make 150, 200, you'll be thinking, like, man, I could have flown Delta that had been 2000. That's how I'd be, right? I'll be thinking, oh, no. Hey, Shelby Shelley, you want to play? No, I do not want to fly private. I do not.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I can get you. I can get you from the East Coast, west coast, little spirit, you know, for 180, we talk about 2000. Come on, man. I mean, it's east coast, the West Coast, 180 bucks. Yeah, Joe, come on over here to Spirit with me now. Exit row C, 13A. They'll take care. I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got 2 million miles on Delta. I'm good. I like Delta.

[Greg Rosenthal]

All right.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, I'm right on Delta. I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yay, they nice. Because, you know, Joey, hey, you get to leave when you want to leave. Hey, would you like food? They have whatever you want you want. Popeyes, whatever the case you want. They have a nice prepared meal.

[Chad Johnson]

You want seafood, I can do you everything. You name it. Right now, I can show up to the airport early with everything you naming in hand and get on my spirit flight. Everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't got it. I swear, I ain't got it like that. I just can't see that money going like that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

It's hard to see it. It's hard to see it leave. That encounter in the arm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You what? What? Yeah, and then you think about it. You. Hey, you be sick. Like, oh, damn.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Think about what he just could have done with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. And so, like, I was like, nah, I'm good. Hey, I just. Hey, I have to take this old bad knee and walk through the airport. Ocho. Pretty soon, your boy gonna have to be on that cart, so. Hey, Chad, when y'all feel your boy on the cart? Don't talk about, hey, man, I saw Unk. I saw Unk on the cart. You damn sure did. That was me. Cause I better be sitting my ass up on the car.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know what's funny? You got a bad. And you got. You got bad hips. You. You can get the wheelchair. You ain't got to stand in line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I ain't gonna do the wheelchair now.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, say that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I'll tell y'all story. Man, I went to pick up my mom from the airport. My mom didn't tell me she had broken foot. So I'm driving around the airport. I say, mama, where are you? She said, I'm right here. I done drove around the airport about five times. My mama sitting her ass in a wheelchair. Why'd you tell me you broke? I saw. How was I supposed to know I wasn't looking for somebody in a wheelchair. Mama. My mama's sitting in the wheelchair. I done drove around the airport about five times. And, Joe, you know how it is driving around Atlanta Airport. That thing crazy. Oh, yeah, man.

[Greg Rosenthal]

This is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was the last. Actually, that was the last time I picked up somebody from the airport. I'm gonna send a car for You?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah, it's rough around here going to the airport. This is the busiest airport in probably the country.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, first of all, I'm mad. All. First of all, I got to go pick somebody up at the airport. What I'm really mad about is the hour and a half traffic that I had to get through just to get my ass to the airport and the hour and a half back to get from the airport. So you come see me. I'll see you when you get to your destination. That's what I see you. I'm not coming to pick you up. I'm just gonna tell you. Now, my kids. My kids know. Hey, when they come see me in la. Car service, pick them up when they come see me in. I got you. That ain't because I'm moody, I'm irritable.

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, that traffic in la.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then Ash walked like she had a parade. Okay. Hey, you know what we do? What we do join. We leave. Hey, don't you. But this joker right here, Jordan Ocho. Joe, if you ever fly with Jordan, just go ahead and tell him you're gonna meet him at the hotel. This Joe will help everybody get their bag off. I look back there, he taking bag like, this your bag, ma'am? I like, Jordan, that ain't your job. Hey. I said hey. Okay. Don't be in that trunk. Don't be in the trunk when I get here.

[Chad Johnson]

You gotta catch a cab, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uber. Yeah, I'll reimburse it. You want to work for the airline and take everybody baggage out. I got you. Don't worry about it. Okay. This is a subject, Ocho, that's near and dear to your heart. To my Tracy Ellis Ross says she only dates younger men because of the toxic masculinity. Masculinity in men her age. A lot of men my age are steeped in toxic masculinity and have been raised in a culture where there is a particular way that relationship looks. Anything that started to smell of that with me, I did enough. Or where I was controlled and felt like I was a possession or a prize, I just have no interest in it and I will not do it again.

[Chad Johnson]

So she doesn't want to feel like a possession or a prize, but you're going to date younger men.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's so she could feel like a possession or prize. Prize.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, it would be the same thing. But I don't understand. But what I will say is, as an older woman like Ms. Ross, I think she also has more control dealing with the younger with the younger fellas, anyway. Yeah, he has more control.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what they say about. When, when, when, when. When Unc said he want to date younger men, they kill me. What? They said what? The women's. What? Yeah, what I'm saying, when the younger women. What? I said, when I want to date. When I want to date younger women, what they say, Ocho, right? Oh, I'm a creep. Oh, I'm. I'm. What, what they call that? What they call that when a. When a. When a man like, I'm grooming, I'm grooming. That's the term they use, would be grooming. When she talk about dating younger men, Joe, what they say, Go ahead, girl. That's what I'm talking about.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, it's. It's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why is it different?

[Chad Johnson]

I. I don't. I don't know. They just. They see it different. They view it differently. I don't know. You know, it's called girl math, and girl math is not for us as men to understand. But listen, I think it happens all the time. All the older men love dating younger women. Older women love dating younger men. It's been that. It's been like that for a very long time. Listen. To each their own. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I think when it comes to women dating younger men, they're able to control them a little bit more. They're able to get them to do what they want to do as opposed to dating men their age, where there's not much they can get away with. Because men their age really don't play the games that they want to play. You're able to. They're able to manipulate the younger men all the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing, though, Joe, what people don't understand, she's Tracy Ellis ross and she's 52. She's a celebrity. She's an entertainer. She has money. Now, all y'all, that's out there in y'all 50s and 60s or 40s and think y'all gonna get you a 20 year old, 25, 30 year old, come on now, you saying she got the.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Means to do that?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, she could play. Listen, when you got money like that, she could play the game the way she want to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? But all my thing, My thing is if I said, ocho, we've had this conversation, Joe, you've never been a part of this. But Ocho and I, we've had this conversation, I say, you know, hey, 30 year old, 35, maybe up to 40, man, you need to get you somebody your age. Why?

[Greg Rosenthal]

So you don't want nothing over the bankroll.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so what we gonna do? Get on that. Get on that little bus together so they can take us to a doctor's appointment together? No, I want somebody to drive me to my appointment. Let me get out of the front, go park the car and come in there and join me. That's what I'm looking for.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Hey, hey, you said one of your age, she can't keep up. Can't she all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Greg Rosenthal]

A woman your age can't keep up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With you, she keep up. I ain't got. Boy, I got two in the possible, Joe. I got a spade. I got spade, wood. Two of the possible, and it might be cutting it. I got a bunch of a. I got the ace, but I got a bunch of diamonds in my hand, so they might be cutting off the rip. I'm telling you, that ain't. That's all I got. That's all I got for you. All that. No, no, no. I ain't never been no guy. Hey, I ain't gonna lie to him.

[Laura Carrenti]

Oh, girl, I'll keep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'ma tear you up all night long. No, I'm not. I'm gonna be sleeping all night long.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but you know. You know What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Chad Johnson]

But Ms. Ross can. Ms. Ross can get away with that. Obviously, other women can get. Get away with it as well. But Ms. Ross is in a position in a. In a position of power. Not many women are in a position like she is, where she can. Who she wants to deal with, regardless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't got no problem with it, though. I'm just. You and I, we having a conversation. I ain't got no problem with it. I don't got no problem with whoever you date. I don't care how old they are, if they're legal. If they 19 and you 40, that is a legal consenting age. I ain't got nothing to do with that. I don't care what people do in their homes. But I'm just saying, the hypocrisy of older women dating younger men versus older men dating younger women.

[Chad Johnson]

And the first thing, when it comes to men dating younger women, the first thing you're gonna say, y'all ain't got nothing in common. Y'all ain't got nothing in common. What do y'all have in common for you talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What they got in common?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. I don't know. That's a good thing. That's a good question. But again, listen, when you're in a position like Ms. Ross. You, you can do that. You get to pick and choose who you want you don't have to deal with most of the time. And women are in situations where they actually need a man. They need a man. She's in the business. Well, I don't need you. I actually want you. Yes, everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think after you get to a certain age, it's like, okay, what am I willing to deal with? Like, you say, she don't want to deal with a man that has a certain, you know, hey, if you 55, 50, 55, 60, you grew up in an era. It was a certain way, Joe. You know, your mom and dad, Things worked a certain way. Grandpa, grandma, it worked a certain way. Now it's gotten a little. And so now these men, now women, now they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, ain't no staying at home, cooking. Ain't no stay. Hey, if I don't go out, you can't go out. Women say, you want to go? Or I'm going. My, I don't remember a time, well, when my grandmother, my grandfather didn't go. My grandmother wasn't going. My grandmother wasn't going. My grandfather wasn't going. Be it church, fishing, the grocery store, it didn't matter. Now women like, oh, I go with my girls. I don't care. You know, look, I don't want to go. I don't care. I ain't got no problem with that. I, I, I've never been one of those guys when you can't go out or you can't wear that out if you want that. When I met you, keep it going.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you got to be Ocho. I don't know, Ocho. You don't like that, huh? Who, if you meet, if. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, you meet somebody and she wearing something, she wearing something revealing, right? She get with you, you gonna make her stop wearing it, or are you gonna like, okay, baby, hey, I met you when you was wearing this. Keep it going.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm not like that. You know, I don't run no prisoners. I don't run no prison. I'm not a warden. And obviously, if I'm talking to somebody and she's wearing something revealing, I doubt I would even take someone like that serious. So I really wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would. So you see somebody at the beach, and she got that, she got that one piece or she got that two piece in that fake catty corner in a bunk right, you were talking about. You ain't gonna take her serious.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm looking for. That's what I'm looking for. Come on over here.

[Chad Johnson]

I understand what you mean. Yeah, for fun. For fun. I mean, especially what you want to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Drive with an army skirt on.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Chad Johnson]

But for fun. There's. There's a certain way. There's. There's a certain way to dress without having to reveal every goddamn thing. Give me with. Leave something for the imagination if you got it all hanging out already. I mean, okay, that lets me know. Okay, that right there, that's the fun. That's not to take serious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's simple, really.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, uncle, you know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do that. Don't. You've been in the game too long. You know that.

[Joe Johnson]

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The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down. Once all 257 picks have been made.

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Chad Johnson]

You know that. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I. I just. I. I just. I just like looking.

[Chad Johnson]

Whatever. Whatever they're advertising, once you get that, what's left after that, there's a. They advertising it's attention outside, what's left? I'm just. I'm just asking, outside of that, what's left?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, once you.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just asking, Joe, am I. Am I tripping or am I wrong?

[Greg Rosenthal]

No, I mean, you ain't tripping.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. I don't know. I just been in the game for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them years, I guess I might be. I'm out here on the island by myself. I just. I just like. I mean, I just like looking. I just, you know, I can't buy the car. I just like looking. Sometimes I go to the dealership and just look at them.

[Chad Johnson]

I like looking, too. I like looking. We all like.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Is that a form of cheating if you looking? They say people get three to five for staring. Is that a form of cheating? Up. No, for real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing, though. Here's the thing. Now you with your lady, nice girl walk by, do you acknowledge that she's nice or you pretend like you didn't see it?

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. The funny thing, if I'm with my girl, right? She gonna. She gonna see it before I do and tap me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna say something?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, she gonna say something.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, look at that. What? Oh, she. Well, she got some ass, don't she? Yes, she do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you gotta pretend where she at. I don't peep. I saw her. I saw way before you did. I saw 10 minutes earlier. I didn't say nothing. Yeah, exactly. They start tingling, but I pretend like, oh. Oh, yeah, she okay. Good lord of mercy.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, one thing. Hey, this is. Oh, my goodness. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you just gotta pretend like you don't see it. Just. Oh, you like that? Oh, you like that, huh? Nah, I don't like that. I like the way. Hey, I like the way your booty dragged the ground. That's what I like. You know what I'm saying? I don't like that working sitting up on the shoulders. I'm with you, baby. You gotta make a feel. You got a ocho. You gotta be.

[Chad Johnson]

You gotta be careful the way you answer them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta be a hype man. You're a girl, Joe. You know this. You gotta be a hype man. Yeah. Damn, baby, that look good.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, now you doing it, baby. Oh, hey, that's what I'm talking about. I didn't turn into a hype man. O2. I. I didn't know. I mean, I go to. We have the hype and. Yeah, baby, you look good today.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every day. Yeah, all day.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Reassurance. Reassurance is very important in today's. Today's era. Very important.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I ain't got no problem with it. I mean, when your boy. When your boy step out there, he got a little something nice. Go ahead and tell him, you know, hey, you look nice, baby. Okay. Okay. You know, I like a little affirmation, too. I like to be told that. Hey, okay, you put that on. I like that, Daddy. Yeah, Gojo.

[Chad Johnson]

I like. I like it. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like. Get 5200. I can get me a nice little outfit to go to Green Bay, do this draft. I get that 5200 right quick.

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, I'm not even wearing. I'm not even wearing an outfit to the draft of Green Bay, but I'm wearing. I'm wearing a sterling Sharp jersey. Yeah, I got an authentic sterling sharp jersey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's gonna be 44 degrees. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna put on my wait OB outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we're in the atrium. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. You know, I like the cold now. I ain't got no problem with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I got magic, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Florida, boy.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Like the cold.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know what he's talking about, being in Cincinnati.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, God.

[Chad Johnson]

Coming from Miami, where it's always hot. We get a cold front every blue moon, I. For some reason, I grew an appreciation for the cold, and I couldn't wait till we get to November, December, and we get what, Joe? We get about 40 to 30 degrees, man. I'm out there practicing with no sleeves on, running around, having a ball. Everybody else standing by the heater. I'm out there doing put. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't like the cold. I just love the cold, which I'll.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Be off of on them cold games. Man, would you be off of. So you got to be off on some Red Bull or something?

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no. I just. I put the Vaseline on my sleeves, and I just go, I'm good.

[Greg Rosenthal]

What the Vaseline do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Keep the heat in.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, keep the heat in a little bit. And, you know, the. The benches are already heated. Then, you know, I got my. I got my heat. My. What you call the heat warmers on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, you got those. Those packets.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I got the packs. I got the warm packs and got the warmer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And the ta. Anytime it's a TV timeout, I always run. I always run to the heater, warm up a little bit. And I watched the man with the orange gloves, when I see him do like that, I just run back. I run back out to the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I ain't like that. No, I don't like the cold.

[Chad Johnson]

I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it'd be cold out there. Georgia. I mean, hey, I was in two places I played. Would get cold. Denver, Baltimore.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Denver, it get really, really, really. I'm talking about 10 and 20. At practice, I went out there with no sleeves. Sunday, I'm gonna be out there in those sleeves. Yeah, during the week, it'll be warm for sure. And you know them offensive linemen, they got no sleeves and they in shorts. Wish y'all the best. All right, we gonna get you out here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&8. Kemper Norwood Jr. Said, I'm rolling with the Lakers until the wheels fall off. Lakers in five. Well, we all. We. Hey, one of them done came off Kemper. Let's just hope the other one. The other one don't come off. Dallas said, unc, I told you, the wolves are not long and their bench is way better. And I knew If Nash Reed is the key to the series, I got this series going six or seven. But game two is important for the Lakers. Absolutely is. It's an absolute must. It's an absolute must. Absolute. Naz Reed did what he was supposed to do. He won Sixth man of the Year last year for this very reason, for the performance that he gave the Wolves tonight. Oreo Hullam said. J.J. redick, J.J. fish, J.J. from Good Times. Ant Man. And five. All right. Oyo you. Oh, y'all bragging, see? Okay, okay, Doc. What's up? Huggin Ocho. If the Timberwolves take game two, will it be time for the Lakers to panic?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Cause if Minnesota go up too old, they looking to bring their broom out, they ain't looking to come back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. Red Hood say Lakers at 5, huh? Be careful what you might say. Might need a broom. I'm smelling sweet red. It ain't gonna happen, rj Copan Salt Shakers. Shaker Bakers. LBJ Is a goat faker. Lakers lose in five, rj. Okay, so y'all do it all that time. See, I. I knew it was gonna happen. I knew it was gonna happen at some point. Laker Lou. Y'all gonna be talking to crazy, but okay. Make sure y'all show up Monday night. Now. J Dub from Akron. Oh, why? Oh, y'all always trying to bet your guest. No, he ain't paid you or me. When you run. When you run up and get. Get your five bands, snatch my. Snatch that jersey for me. Yeah, Ocho, you know. Hey, J Dub, you didn't get that man in Jersey, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

J Dub.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, they Dub. I thought you supposed to say. I thought you supposed to ask the information so I can say the jersey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She done send it to J Dub. We done said we relayed that information to the proper channels. OO has it.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't going to put that on us.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay. Matter of fact, we might have to do it, because the proper channels ain't really the proper channels no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said. Hey, fam. Overall, which team made the biggest statement tonight and who should be worried Most after Game 1? Lakers. They're the only team that lost on their home court. Series doesn't start till the world team wins. And T. Woods got off to a great start. They've already won. So the biggest. The biggest statement or the greatest impression made was made by the T. Woods in the final game tonight.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Wasn't even close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Big Eye. What's up, Ugly Joe? What do you do with the Lakers? What does the Lakers got to do to win game two?

[Chad Johnson]

To avoid a 20 play with some damn intensity?

[Shannon Sharpe]

True. Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Probably more of a sense of urgency. Yeah, man, they energy just wasn't there. Like I said, I just felt the Timberwolves were very desperate. They played desperate and they played like a team who came in there to get a win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They came with a purpose.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Absolutely. Absolutely. They didn't back down that one bit. They attacked the Lakers all night long, man. Like I said, McDaniels and Reed gonna play like that. Lakers ain't got a chance in beating the wolves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

1017. Boogie Luca Paducah, Bazooka wolves in five. Dewan Hines. Procrastination, condensation, relaxation. Lakers about to be on vacation. Okay, Dewan, y'all talking, man. Y'all talking real reckless. Y'all talking real reckless. King Saul. One, two, three. Not my best day as a sports fan. CM Punk lost. The Lakers lost. Damn. CM Punk lost. Damn. I ain't happy about that. I'm more happy, more disappointed. Lakers lost to see him. I'm sorry, guys. There's zero chance OKC would consider taking KD back. The ownership despises him. I don't know about that. I mean, I guess I'm assuming that you live in OKC and you probably heard something, but I don't know. I'm not so sure. Kevin Durant, that's just us talking. There's nothing that's ever been said. I don't know. Kevin Durant has never mentioned anything. I know he enjoyed his time while he was there, but he probably hadn't been back since he left, so probably not a great chance of him going back. Kevin Schwiebelhofer, could you see Ant man teaming up with Wemby late in their career? And would D. Rose be a top three all time point guard if he didn't get injured?

[Greg Rosenthal]

Oh, man, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you think? What you. This is. This is your level of expertise, Joe. Yeah.

[Greg Rosenthal]

D. Rose, man. I mean, he's the youngest mvp, right? Yes, he was the youngest MVP ever. Like I said, I've got a chance to play against him in playoff series. And he was special, man. He was special. Probably most athletic guard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She didn't have athletic point guard. Cause now you see Russ, you see Russ, you see Ja. All these athletic point guards. He was the first, man, hey, that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Was a tough matchup. Yeah, he definitely. I think he definitely would have been, you know, at least top five, you know, point guards ever to Play. He just played with so much torque that it seemed as though his body just kind of gave out. Man, but he was special, bro. He was special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gracie. Gracie. Q. Titus about to go collect his dad's money. He's bigger than Ocho, so it'll be easy. Yeah. I'm gonna send Titus down there with you to get my money.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, I told you, I'm gonna pay you. I'm gonna pay you after I finish the pool, huh? But old folk don't never have no patience. Patience is a virtue. It's in the Bible.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you finish doing what you need to do with my money, and then once you.

[Chad Johnson]

No. What I'm doing, what I'm spending ain't got nothing to do with your money. Your 5200 is off to the side.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, go ahead and send it to me. How?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I figured out a way. What about bringing to the Green Bay? How about Green Bay? You'll see me in five days.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I'm gonna bring it to Green Bay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to say, Joe, you want it in cash? Cash money.

[Chad Johnson]

See, I'm. See, Joe, I don't carry cash. That make me feel like. When I have cash like that, it make me feel irresponsible.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, don't worry about it. You should feel irresponsible that you hadn't paid me.

[Chad Johnson]

No, because as long as I owe you, you'll never go broke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm broke right now. I need that. Nelson Black. Say hi. My cousin is getting married July 12, and I'm in the wedding and your show in Charlotte July 12th. And I got the meet and greet ticket, so don't judge me if your boy late and come in with a tux. Nelson, come. We like the church. Come as you are. You know what I'm saying? We don't judge. We don't judge. Now, my grandma didn't take that serious because you was not going up in that church looking any kind of house all day. Said, but God said, come as you are. Mayor Porter didn't say that.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Not happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, yeah. Nelson. The Charlotte meet and greet tickets are sold out. So thank you. We appreciate that. But come on in there. Come on in. That thing. Franklin, status for the chemistry y'all have is genius. My wife, Christine Franklin, nursing student, is turning 41 on the 25th. My son, Christian Franklin, student athletes turning 17, 29th. A shout out will be appreciated. Christine Franklin. Kristin Franklin. Dad wants y'all to know he's very proud of you guys and all of your accomplishments. Wifey. Nursing. Nursing student. Congratulations, son. I know you're gonna do big things, so I ain't worried about you. But your dad just wanted to know wife. He wanted you to know that he's proud of you guys. Congratulations. Continued success. That concludes this episode of Nightcap, brought to you by Boost Mobile. Visit your nearest Boost mobile store or boostmobile.com to join their nationwide 5G network today. Y'all know me. Your favorite up, your favorite number 85 being a legend, Liberty City's own, that's Ocho Cinco Johnson. And in your top right, the man known as ISO Joe, the mid range specialist, sharp shooter extraordinaire, Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support. Thank you for tuning in. Hey, sometimes we come on extremely late, but we can always count on you guys to show support and we greatly appreciate that. And I don't know if we can say thank you enough because thanks to you, all of this is possible. Like I said earlier, all these plaques that are behind us, the awards that we win, everybody's talking about Nightcap, everybody talks about Club Shay Shay. Everybody really loves the addition of Joe Johnson. And so we're looking to add Joe for the basketball for the entirety of the basketball season, upcoming basketball season starting in October. So we thank you guys. We listen to, we hear what you guys are saying and we try to make sure we bring you the best, whatever it is, be it football. We try to have you the best contributors, we try to have the best guests. We try to make sure that we continue to evolve and make sure you can you're pleased with the content that we're producing. So thank you guys. Make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock and if you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. Everything is restocked, the link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Last but not least, tickets for our Not Safe for Work tour went on sale eight stops. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, L.A. miami, New York, Chicago and Detroit. Tickets can be found at shayshaymedia.comtour that's shayshaymedia.comTour that link is pinned in the chat also. Guest lineup is shaping up well, guys, you don't want to miss this. Hopefully we're coming somewhere near you and you'll come out and see your favorite UNC and your favorite Neff Unc and Ocho, get your tickets now while you can. Thank you guys for joining us again. We off tomorrow, right? We off tomorrow. We doing tomorrow. We're off tomorrow. We'll see you Monday, Tuesday, we'll see you from the draft Thursday. And we're back in the regular rotation, so we're off tomorrow night. We'll see you Monday. Thank you guys for joining us again. We greatly appreciate your support. Ocho and Joe will see you on Monday.

[Greg Rosenthal]

Peace out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The volume.

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Discover the art of adventure in Cedar City and Brian Head, Utah Here you can discover Southern Utah's first artists at the Parowan Gap petroglyphs or carve a fresh trail at Brian Head Ski Resort. Paint the town red, perusing Cedar City's unique shops, museums and savory bites. Marvel at nature's masterpieces at nearby Zion, Bryce and Kolob Canyons and be mesmerized by the endless starry nights at Cedar Breaks National Monument. Your inspired adventure awaits. Plan your trip today@Visit cedarcity.com.

The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rose Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down. Once all 257 picks have been made.

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.