Nightcap Hour 2: NFL’s ANNOUNCES PROJECTED Salary Cap + Justin Jefferson WONDERS what COULD’VE BEEN with Sam Darnold + Senior Bowl EXPOSES Diego Pavia as a SHORT KING + Paul George SUSPENDED for ANTI-DRUG Policy + Jason Kidd DEFENDS Cooper Flag vs Critics

Summary

Club Shay Shay – "Nightcap Hour 2": February 1, 2026

Main Theme:
On this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay's "Nightcap," Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco dive deep into breaking NFL salary cap news, the importance of player benefits, locker room politics, high-profile NBA suspensions, controversy around up-and-coming talent, and a nostalgic run through classic TV. True to their candid, playful style, the hosts merge insider perspective, locker room banter, and real talk about athlete power dynamics.

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NFL Salary Cap Explosion & What It Means for Players

[01:22 – 18:58]

• NFL Salary Cap Update:

  • The 2026 salary cap is projected at $301.2M–$305.7M—a huge jump, nearly $100M higher than 2022's $208.2M.
  • Owners get a $400M check before even selling a single ticket.
  • The hosts predict the addition of an 18th game will bump the cap even higher.
  • Shannon stresses: “All I want the players to do, y’all get lifetime health benefits. … Don’t bargain for petty privileges. Don’t bargain nanograms of weed. Them owners don’t give a damn about you smoking weed.” [02:11]

• Player Bargaining & Negotiation Weaknesses:

  • Ochocinco’s take: The NFLPA is bargaining for little things (less practice, weed tolerance) instead of guaranteed contracts and lifetime health care.
  • Ocho: “The people that are representing us are damn near on the other side anyway.” [03:16]
  • Sharpe notes, if a contract is put to players and they say yes, “So be it.” [04:12]
  • Ochocinco, on potential labor action: “We shut it down. …We will not play until the demands are met.” [05:10]

• Lockouts & Player Power:

  • Lessons from 2011 and 1987 lockouts surface: Owners lock out players, replace them, and fans don’t blink—loyal to teams over individuals.
  • “Like a cheap suit. Damn.” – Ocho on players folding in 2011 [05:59]
  • Sharpe: “All the power’s …one-sided. It always has been.” [12:47]
  • Owners have the financial runway and replacements; fans stay loyal to teams.

• Health Benefits: The True Battlefield

  • NFL careers are short, and real health issues hit in veterans’ 40s–60s.
  • Sharpe’s lived wisdom: “I had both of my hips replaced. And I'm not even 60 yet. What about the guy that's not on TV, that's not making money?” [17:00]

Notable Quote:

“History is the greatest predictor of the future. This is why the owners do what they do—because they know their fans. Fans feel like they have more in common with a billionaire than a millionaire.”
— Shannon Sharpe [10:13]

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Justin Jefferson Wishes for Sam Darnold: Vikings’ QB Blues

[23:11 – 29:51]

• Jefferson’s Regret:

  • Jefferson wonders aloud how much better Minnesota might have been if Sam Darnold had stayed, noting the challenges with ever-changing QBs last season.
  • Ocho: “I know it was a struggle for Justin just to be able to do what he was able to do last year with the quarterback carousel ... Justin Jefferson has shown great restraint not showing his frustration. At some point, it’s going to boil over.” [24:51]

• Organizational Fumbles:

  • GMs and coaches face pressure to play top picks—even before they’re ready.
  • Seattle's contract incentives for Darnold discussed; Minnesota could have done the same.

• The Cost of Letting Good QBs Walk:

  • Darnold’s Super Bowl run stings for the Vikings.
  • Sharpe (on Darnold): “He’s the first quarterback to win 14 back to back with two different teams. Do you know how hard it is to win 14?” [29:53]

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Senior Bowl Spotlight: Diego Pavia, Shortest QB Prospect

[29:51 – 33:56]

• Short King Alert:

  • Diego Pavia measured at 5'9 7/8" at the Senior Bowl—shorter than any QB in the Super Bowl era.
  • Ocho: “I’m sure he can play at the next level. It got to be the right situation... right coach, supporting cast ... but you want to go into a place where you’re gonna have an offense that’s predicated to your skill set... ” [31:07]

• Historical Perspective:

  • Sharpe remembers playing with QBs of varying stature—height isn’t destiny, but fit matters.
  • Both agree Pavia might get a shot, but long-term success will be uphill.

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NBA: Paul George Suspended, Mental Health Controversy

[37:12 – 43:31]

• Paul George Drama:

  • PG suspended 25 games for violating anti-drug policy—linked to mental health medication, not PEDs.
  • Sharpe: “The violation... was not related to a performance enhancing substance, but rather to improper use of mental health medication.”
  • Charles Barkley’s take: “If you're taking something for mental health, that's got to be an outlier.”
  • Ochocinco questions fairness: “Should you really suspend a guy behind that? Especially if what he's taking is not to help enhance his game...” [38:43]

• Athlete Responsibility:

  • Sharpe reflects on his own NFL career—any supplement he considered went through team trainers to check for banned substances.
  • “You don’t get to say, well, this is for mental health now. ...Go do preemptive...” [39:28]
  • Uncertain outcome for PG—NBA scrutiny over the intersection of banned substances and mental health needs.

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Mavericks, Cooper Flag, Jason Kidd vs. Critics, NBA Injury Talk

[44:21 – 48:23]

• Kidd Defends Playing Cooper Flag at Point Guard:

  • Kidd fires back at critics: “I know what the F I’m doing...I build players so I know what the F I'm doing.” [44:24]
  • Flag drops 49 and 34 points in back-to-back games, but both losses.
  • Ocho’s analogy: “You got one person up there DJing and nobody on the goddamn dance floor.” [45:21]

• Anthony Davis & Kyrie Irving Updates:

  • AD out with a hand fracture, trade rumors swirl.
  • Kyrie likely out until after All-Star break (return from ACL).

• NBA Injury Resilience:

  • Ochocinco claims he could “fix” AD’s injury woes with a plan, Sharpe counters that sometimes injury luck is just that.
  • Sharpe on LeBron: “LeBron has never missed the whole season. 23 years... It’s just freak, sometimes.” [47:44]

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Nostalgia & Legacy: Classic TV Shows, Athlete Reflections

[49:48 – 58:57]

• Tribute Segment:
  • Demond Wilson (Lamont from Sanford and Son) remembered.
  • Both hosts reminisce on classic sitcoms: The Jeffersons, Good Times, All in the Family, Alice, What's Happening, Golden Girls, and more.
  • Discussion of “edgier” comedy and themes in 70s TV compared to today.

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Q&A with Fans

[54:42 – 68:51]

• Boxing Talk:

  • Vaseline controversy in Shakur vs. Lopez—hosts skeptical it's meaningful.
  • Combat sports lauded as “most difficult … outside of baseball … or golf.” [57:00]

• Salary Cap & Health:

  • Sharpe: Football injuries “deserve a billion dollar salary cap … the body wasn’t made to be put on the ground like that …” [65:14]

• First Time Seeing Own Jersey:

  • Both recall the thrill of seeing fans wearing their jerseys, and seeing themselves in Madden video game for the first time.

• Workplace Drama Advice:

  • Question: What to do about a coworker sabotaging relationships with female colleagues?
  • Ochocinco: “Ignore it. See, he having to leave with money. You keep playing your part…” [68:23]
  • Sharpe: “Most of the time … people … see through that and … wonder why he’s always mentioning you and you never mention him.” [68:51]

• Dream Biopic Casting:

  • Ocho: “ASAP Rocky or Tyrese.”
  • Sharpe: “Who could play me? Blair Underwood…Idris Elba.” [63:30]

• Reality Show Idea:

  • Fans suggest a reality show of Unc and Ocho taking on various sports.
  • Ocho proposes: “You could be my coach in each event. We go across the globe challenging all the elite players …” [64:44]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “Fans feel like they have more in common with a billionaire than a millionaire.”
  — Shannon Sharpe [10:13]

• “We shut it down. We will not play …until the demands are met.”
  — Chad Ochocinco [05:10]

• “Players come and go. These teams aren’t going anywhere.”
  — Shannon Sharpe [14:47]

• “All I want the players to do, y’all get lifetime health benefits…”
  — Shannon Sharpe [02:11]

• “You got one person up there DJing and nobody on the goddamn dance floor.”
  — Chad Ochocinco [45:21]

• “First time I got a card, saw my football card, Ocho like damn.”
  — Shannon Sharpe [67:23]

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Quick Takes & Timestamps for Hot Segments

• NFL Salary Cap & Labor Talks: [01:22 – 18:58]
• Vikings, Darnold & QB Dynamics: [23:11 – 29:51]
• Diego Pavia’s "Short King" Narrative: [29:51 – 33:56]
• Paul George Suspension, Mental Health & NBA Response: [37:12 – 43:31]
• Kidd, Cooper Flag, Mavs Injuries: [44:21 – 48:23]
• Classic TV Sitcom Nostalgia: [49:48 – 58:57]
• Q&A (boxing, workplace, jerseys, biopics, reality show): [54:42 – 68:51]

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Tone & Language

The show maintains Shannon’s and Ocho’s signature barbershop energy—blunt, humorous, and richly anecdotal. Stories are laced with locker room wisdom, occasional profanity, and playful nostalgia, catering to fans who want both insider scoops and cultural commentary.

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Summary for the Uninitiated:
Even if you missed the episode, you’re caught up on the latest NFL labor pulse, the tension (and loyalty tradeoffs) between fans, owners, and players, the Minnesota Vikings’ lingering quarterback regret, a unique NFL prospect at the Senior Bowl, Paul George’s costly NBA suspension, and a time-travelling journey through beloved TV. Plus: authentic wisdom on health, negotiation, and athlete identity, sprinkled with laughs and personal stories from two gridiron icons.

Transcript

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[Heath Ocho]

The NFL Ocho, the NFL informed club today projecting this 2026 salary cap will be $301.2 million to $305.7 million. That would represent a significant drop from the salary cap of 279.2. Nearly a hundred million dollars since 2022 when the salary cap was 208.2. Now remind you before any lights, before we cut the lights on in the building. The NFL sent all owners 400. So before you sell a ticket, before you get local advertising, before you get local tv, before you get local sales, as far as paraphernalia, the NFL gonna send you a check before.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Heath Ocho]

So you got a hundred million off the rip. Now, okay, you gotta pay your coaches. But then when you sell, when you sell, you know, you sell tickets, you sell concession, you sell parking, you probably making, you know you could easily make a couple hundred million dollars. Cowboys probably making 4,500 million. And so guess what? If that, if the cap is this, I can see in another, in another when they add the 18th game, that cap will probably be 353 75. But I don't care about that. All I want the players to do, y' all get lifetime Health benefits. Then when you a. And and say we will run it to 65, well, then you can get your ass on Medicaid, Medicare. But you gotta have that. The wife, kid, family, you, you gotta have that. You gotta have. You gotta get it. Fellas, if you don't get anything else, don't bargain for petty privileges. Don't bargain nanograms of weed. Them owners don't give a damn about you smoking weed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But this is the problem though. This is the problem. The people that are representing us are damn near on the other side anyway. So they, they're bargaining for them to make it easier for them, the players. This, the, the NFLPA needs somebody like myself to represent us because I'm one that's going to actually fight for us and not care about what they think on that side. I'm trying to do what's in the best interest for us. Now, they will try to trick you and make it, make it seem like it's good. Make it look like it's good when it's really not. I want to get rid of. I want, I want to add guaranteed contracts. I want to add lifetime benefits for the players long after you're done playing. I want to get rid of the goddamn. What's the I want franchise tag? Like they need representation that's going to represent them. Represent them in the right way. Someone that's willing to.

[Heath Ocho]

All I know is when they put it to the vote, the players, the players wanted weed. They wanted more nanograms so they could smoke their weed so they wouldn't get random tested. And they also wanted practice. They also wanted one of these in training camp. They're bargaining for petty privileges. Roger Goodell negotiated. He got lifetime health benefits and he making 70 to $100 million a year. So a man is making a hundred million dollars a year. He bargained to get lifetime health benefits. Guys making million to $50 million a year, they say, well, we want to smoke weed. Well, we don't want to practice but once a day. Well, we don't want to be on path. We only want to have X amount of padded practices per week. You see, they are bargaining for petty privileges. And when you put it to the. At the end of the day, Ocho, all I can do is put it to the 50 on the players. If they say, if they say, hey, we'll take it. I don't got no choice but to take it. No matter who, no matter who represents them. Once you put it to a vote and the player says, we'll take what the owners are offering. So be it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, I be. I'd be the first one to piss their ass off. We, we, we. We shut. We shut it down. We will not play. We will not enter any facility. We won't in any building. And we refuse to play until the demands are met.

[Heath Ocho]

They lock you out. Were you in the league in 2011?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I was gone. I was gone.

[Heath Ocho]

Okay, you was gone. So you rem. I remember cuz that was the year we went to the hall of Fame cuz we didn't have a Hall of Fame game. The teams locked the gates, they locked the players out. Guess what? You had to go elsewhere and get treatment if you had an injury. You had, you had surgery. You had to go elsewhere and get treatment. You had to work out on your own. They locked you out until you conceded and gave them a bigger share of the revenue. Pie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. That's what happened. And hey, we fold it.

[Heath Ocho]

Like a cheap suit. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you know what? And the owners knowing that and understanding that, that most of the players won't have a choice based on situation, based on personal situations. They won't have a choice but to come back. They can't hold out for only so long. They need those checks to start rolling in at some point. And I think a lot of people don't understand. Don't. Don't understand that. You know, I, I don't want to. I ain't. I ain't gonna be telling people business.

[Heath Ocho]

But Ocho. But here's the thing, is that if you realize, okay, they want this 18th game, the executive of. Of the NFLPA should say, look, guys, in order for us to get what we want, we're gonna have to shut it down. And we might have to shut it down for an entire season to get. And in the process of that, please do not get any new homes. Do not a keep your wife happy until this passes because the divorce will force you to make decisions. You make bad decisions when you're under duress, when you're in. When a pressurized situation. So. And like you said, because the owners have billions, the banks, financial institutions. Oh, don't even Worry about it, Mr. Jones. Don't worry about it, Mr. Crab. Don't even worry about that. We. We know you good for it. They're not going to give an individual player that kind of latitude like they give a team. So with that being said, you have to prepare for the future and says, look, we're probably going to have to shut it down, so please do not incur any more debt. Do not go build a. Buy a new home. Do not do any. We've got to be ready to withstand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn, man. That's a long time too. Because the owners could sit there and parlay that. They could chill. Oh, that's what y' all want to do. Okay, bet.

[Heath Ocho]

Because what did they do last time they went and got replacements. And the fans they see. Once the players realize they just want to see somebody New Jersey. It doesn't have to be you. It doesn't have to be you because guess what? They cheer just as loud for Drew Pearson. Michael Irvin a dance bright just like they do CD Lamb. Don't matter. They just want to see A88 in the jersey. I don't care who it is. They just want to see a number or they just want to see a Cowboy player. They want to see a Steelers or Giants or Broncos. It doesn't matter. It's football.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I mean, you know, it's funny. You still think the fans would enjoy the product on the field even it's not the players that they're used to seeing.

[Heath Ocho]

Why you think they came across the line in 87 they had those replacement players and the players had to start coming back because guess what? Fans were still going there. And here the difference is. Here's the difference, Ocho. Here's the difference, Ocho. NFL get their TV money at the end. At the beginning of the year. I already got their money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They good. I wonder what the chat thing. Hey, hey. Chat. Depending on those of you that are watching, depending on who your team is, what happens if there was a lockout and the players refused to come back and the owners had replacement players come in? Would you still support. Would you still go to the games even though none of the players that you're used to watching and, and, and, and cheering for are not playing? I'm. I'm just curious. I mean I know it happened back in 87, but this is 2026. I think the fans are a little bit different. Maybe now. I, I don't know.

[Heath Ocho]

No, they're not. Remember everybody talking about when they tried to get the fans boycott, boycott Callin Kaepernick. So Colin Kaepernick what the fans do oo who boycotte. Rating was just as high as they ever been.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they ain't put a dent in nothing.

[Heath Ocho]

Nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. That's crazy.

[Heath Ocho]

Tell you what. History is the greatest predictor of the future. This is why the owners do what they do because they know their fans. Fans are more. Fans feel like they're more they have more in common with a billionaire than a millionaire right here. That's why they side with the owners.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, how? Baseball was able to pull it off, basketball was able to pull it off. What?

[Heath Ocho]

Because they shut it down and there was no baseball. There was no replacement baseball players. There was no replacement basketball players. We call them replacements because we want to be respectful. But they were called scams.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What?

[Heath Ocho]

They were called scabs. Go look it up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man, there's no way it would be the same. Can you imagine them bringing replacement players in 2026? Imagine. Imagine the bank was not playing. Joe Burrow, T. Higgins and Jamar Chase ain't out there and they got just some random dudes.

[Heath Ocho]

Yep. Because guess what? If you don't got football in the fall, what you watching? What's been your institution for the last 60 years? 70 years from September to January. What's been everything that you watch every Sunday and every Monday night? What have you watched oo since you've been alive that you can remember?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Football. Damn.

[Heath Ocho]

There's a reason why they had a Monday night. Guess what, Ocho? Thursday night. They weren't supposed to have. First of all, NFL wasn't supposed to play Saturday football until the college football season was completely over. Guess what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

[Heath Ocho]

I know. I'm just basing it on history because I just see, I see people in the chat. I go play for a hundred thousand and there are other guys that play football. That's not made it. How many guys from Canada would come down for an opportunity to play in the NFL?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, they, yeah, they, they did.

[Heath Ocho]

Are you sure about that now?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Definitely. Coming.

[Heath Ocho]

Okay, okay. We're just checking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Heath Ocho]

How many of those college guys that didn't make it for an opportunity to say, you know what? Hey, I played in the NFL, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's almost like the NFL players are damn near screwed in a sense. Because all the power, all the powers, you know, it's one sided.

[Heath Ocho]

It always has been. Because they get their money at the end of beginning of the year. The NFL car. They Fox has already agreed to pay a billion eight. ESPN paying 2.2. Amazon, Netflix, CBS, NBC. Damn. And they already got another pipeline, the ufl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh yeah, yeah, I see. I've seen some of the boys practicing day before yesterday down here in Miami.

[Heath Ocho]

If they don't do anything else, the, the, the 18th game is gonna happen. Oo get lifetime health benefit. Fellas. That is the number one thing that you work on. Health benefits. Lifetime. And you get 65. Hey, you can get on Medicaid, but until then, You want 18 game. That's what we want. Damn. I mean. Oh, I just keep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, listen, I'm with you when you. I'm with you when you're right. I mean, just a thought. I mean, it's hard for me to. It's hard for me to even imagine. I know it's happened before and you say history. Most of the time history repeats itself, but I just don't see. I just can't.

[Heath Ocho]

Let me ask you a question. I give you one. How many fans boycotted when Tom Brady left the Patriots and went to Tampa?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, no, the show kept going.

[Heath Ocho]

Now, ta da. How many fans when Bill. When Bill Parcell. When Bill Belichick left?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, show kept going.

[Heath Ocho]

Players come and go. These teams aren't going anywhere. The Cowboys are still the Cowboys, Steelers are still the Steelers. Broncos are still the Broncos. Giants are still the Giants. Players come and go. Those teams aren't going anywhere. Roger Staubach was my favorite. Then it was Troy Aikman. Nah, we love Dak Prescott. He's our favorite. We love Drew Pearson. We love Michael Irving. We love dance. But cd, man, it's something about cd.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

Dang, it is what it is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's a whole lot of power way.

[Heath Ocho]

It is. I mean, look, the players make great money. And I don't. I don't begrudge the players, but for me, I mean. And look, I ain't telling what I know because, see, a lot of times, but I remember in 93 when we first got free agency, and guy was like, man, let's get the benefits. There were a lot of guys say, if you give me a million dollars, I don't need no. I could buy my own benefits. Now, I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. So chat. Y' all keep on talking. Shannon think he right. I'm telling you what I know. We never fought for that. And then once they gave it up and you tried to get Ocho, I ain't give you that. There's a reason why five star hotels don't have discounts. Never give somebody something for free that they'll pay for. You bargain it away, it's gonna be held. It's gonna be. You gonna have. You're gonna have to go through a lot to get it now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially now.

[Heath Ocho]

And it's. If the people in the chat that say, Shannon think he right, you the one that the NFL have convinced that Shannon think he right and you side with the owners. You the ones, you the one. You don't even realize you're it, Ocho. Remember you played the game tag. Tag. You're it. You're it. All I'm saying is for me, Ocho, is that some of the guys, and I get it, everybody ain't gonna make Patrick Mahomes money. Everybody ain't gonna make Jamar Chase money. I'm talking about, I'm talking about the guys that in the three to four years ain't made 20, 30, 40, 50, 100 million and they're 27 years of age. Now you can get insurance from the age of 27 to 32, but ain't a whole lot of people having a whole lot of. There's some. But most of the time the health issues for an NFL player starts later. Start getting your 40s, start getting you 50. There are occasional guys like my brother had hip, his hip replaced when he was in his 30s. But what happens, you get 45, 55, 60, And I had both of my hips replaced. And I'm, I'm, I'm not even 60 yet. What about the guy that's not on TV, that's not making money? Oo, how does he, how does he get his hips replaced? How does he get his knee replaced? How do he get his back fused? His wife. How does, how does he make sure his wife is, is taken care of? Cuz everybody, I mean guys in the 50s and the 60s and 70s wasn't making the money right. 80s guys started making some good money mid 90s, 2000s, obviously they make more now, but everybody ain't have it like that. There are guys that had got played in the NFL and picked up spare jobs in the off season. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep, I heard those stories.

[Heath Ocho]

I got an opportunity to go back to the hall this year, the first time I've been back in a while. And to see some of those guys, I just think of hell, That might be me in a couple years. But guess what, Ocho, I wouldn't change a thing. If I could go back and do it over again, I'd do it all over again. Knowing what I know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause.

[Heath Ocho]

God gave me that talent and what I was able to do for my family, I wouldn't change a thing. I'm fortunate enough to now I'm gainfully employed, I can have insurance, have employees, I can provide them with insurance. Ash over here talking about she stayed Doc in the box.

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[Heath Ocho]

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[Heath Ocho]

Get that money. Players Justin Jefferson wonder wonders what might have been for the team if the Vikings had kept Sam Darnold. Jenna told USA Today, everyone knows the difficulty of the quarterback position this year and how we dealt with it and how we're. And how we were dealt it. But having a quarterback that has already had a season under his belt with us knew the plays, knew the playbook, knew the players throwing to me. Jordan Addison, TJ Hawkinson all these guys, I definitely feel like we would have done better. It's definitely tough. It's tough to watch. I love he's in the Super Bowl. I'm happy for him. I want nothing but the best for him. Ocho and it cost the general manager his job. He was fired.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I saw, I saw that.

[Heath Ocho]

Because the reports came out that o' Connell like we need to be cautious. I'm not sure JJ is ready yet. We drafted this guy, top 10 pick, get ready.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Heath Ocho]

And here we are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You draft somebody that early on, they more so want to see him in there so they can get a return on that investment and see what it looks like. And I said it after, after Seattle won their game, before we even talked about them winning their let their last NFC championship game. The first thing I said, there's one person that watched this game tonight and he's angry and he's upset and that was Justin Jefferson. I'm just saying it, you know, in general, I know he's upset based on what he was able to see. And then now this man, you see.

[Heath Ocho]

All them balls that man catching on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who you telling man? Man, who you telling? So I, I know, I know it was a struggle for Justin just to be able to do what he was able to do last year with the quarterback carousel that he had to deal with. So to watch Sam Donald quarterback that you just had there, who you've had success with and see him going off with JSN and the other receivers that are on that team, it got to upset you because the answer is still not fulfilled over there in Minnesota, it's still not fulfilled. You don't know what it's going to be when JJ McCarthy is healthy. I mean everything is up and down. One week he look good, then three weeks he doesn't. Then he's. Then he's injury prone as well, so, I mean, listen, I, I'm. Justin Jefferson has shown great restraint and not showing his frustration great restraint and not showing his frustration. And at some point it's going to boil over and he's going to get upset unless they rectify the situation at quarterback.

[Heath Ocho]

I don't know how they do it. Because for 30. For. For what? Because for. I mean, if you go look at his contract, Ocho, he got incentives. Like if he makes the Pro bowl, if he's an All Pro, they make this, they win the division, they win the. A playoff game, they get to the, when the AFC championship, they win the Super Bowl. All the things Seattle put in that contract, Minnesota could have done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Heath Ocho]

All the things they, they, they could have done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Look, even worse if them Seahawks raised that trophy.

[Heath Ocho]

Oh, if he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If they raise that trophy. Man. Man, man, man.

[Heath Ocho]

This is why they make all that money. This is why they pay the quarterbacks all that money. They, they the difference.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Change everything back.

[Heath Ocho]

They are. They touch the ball every damn place.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Change everything. You get you a good one. Change everything about your franchise. Everything.

[Heath Ocho]

And ojo. And they're going up on the market. They're good. They go. They getting big. So they're going to be sold after the Super Bowl. So they're gonna probably sell for seven billion. Seven, seven and a half, eight billion dollars. Because Paul Allen, who is the owner, he left everything to his sister. And even if she wanted to, it's in his will. You'll sell this team and donate all the proceeds to charity. So even if she wanted to keep, she couldn't. Nope. He wanted all he wanted to sell those team and the money goes to charity. So he owned, he owned the Seahawks and he owned the Trailblazers. I think he bought the Seahawks for like a couple hundred million dollars from Ken, Ken Bearing. I think that's who it was, Ken Berry, because he owned the team when, when I played, when I played. We used to play the Seahawks and they were in that division.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But.

[Heath Ocho]

And so can you imagine a subo. Hey, that's an extra 300, 400, $500 million. And with this roster, you wouldn't. So I'm thinking if Washington went for six, they're gonna go for seven. And I think somebody that owned the Carolina, the Hurricanes, Dueling. Tom Duelling, I think he's supposed to buy the trailblazers for 4 billion.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Golly.

[Heath Ocho]

Yep. Jody. I think that's a sister name in her name. Jody Allen. Yep. JJ you're gonna have to get good, bro. You have to get good Ain't nobody babies at you like they did in college. And you ain't got no three, four years to get good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not with one of the best in your roster.

[Heath Ocho]

Because you look at the division you're.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In and you got to come to Caleb Williams.

[Heath Ocho]

Caleb Williams. Hold on. He came in with Caleb Williams. You're the same draft captain Caleb Williams and you're in the same division. Caleb's in year two, right? Yeah, he got drafted with Caleb. Yeah, you're in the same division. You got Jordan Love in that division. So I know it's, I, I know it's, you know, to hear, hear Jetta say that like, look, but he knows if he could, he probably. Man, don't do this. JJ ain't ready. And this man just won 14 games for us. Do you know how hard it is to win 14 games? I played 14 years, I won 14 games one time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know how hard it is to do.

[Heath Ocho]

And he was, he's the first quarterback, I think, to win 14 back to back with two different teams. Do you know how hard it is to win 14? First of all, do you know how hard it is to win in this damn league, let alone winning that clip? And they just let him walk. And the thing is, Ocho, you let him walk for nothing, you ain't get anything for him. Well, too late now. One of the biggest talking points to come out of the 2026 Senior bowl was how short Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Pavia is measured. Vanderbilt did their best to give Pavia a few inches, listing him at six foot on the official roster. But when Pavia was measured at mobile, he stood 5 foot 9 and 7 8. If Pavia ever played in the NFL, he would be the shortest quarterback ever to take the field in the super bowl era. The shortest quarterback currently in the NFL are Bryce Young and Kyler Murray, Both measured at 510 and 1 8.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

Ocho, do you think Pavia can play at the next level at 5, 10 and 7?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm sure he can play at the next level. It got to be the right situation. It has to be the right team.

[Heath Ocho]

Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It has to be the right coach. You know, it also depends on the supporting cast that's around him. Is probably the type of player that can come into a franchise if he draft. I don't think he, he'll be drafted early. He's not going top 10. So I'm assum. Go to a situation that's a little bit more favorable, favorable for him depending on what they have, you know, on their roster. I mean Are you going to a team where the players around you can elevate your level of play? We don't have to do anything except just facilitate and not turn the goddamn ball over. Yeah, he could have some success if he goes somewhere where there is no no, no, no, no. No extreme elite talent around you. Hell, uncle, you could be in trouble. You could be in trouble, but you want to go into a place where you're going to. When you're going to have an offense that predicated to your skill set in which you do well based on height and other situations like that.

[Heath Ocho]

I mean, I'm trying to think the quarterback. I think throw me a pass with Bubby. How tall was Bubby Bristol? Yeah, I played with Bubby. 98. I played with him at 98 and 99. Man, Bubby wasn't no damn six' three. But for the most part, you know, John was, was 6 2, 6 3. Randall was tall, Trent was tall, Tony Banks were tall. So I could, I mean in college. Now my quarterback in College was like 5:10, but that's college. But he had a cannon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

I mean, yeah, Poke could throw the ball probably about 70 yards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, he hit me on one for Georgia. We he rolled out. I mean he could throw it. I mean he could throw it 65 yards on the road. Hit me. You know me. Oh yeah. You know, I was like riding them off back there. They if I got one step.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You thought you throwing the head up, just throw it.

[Heath Ocho]

I go get, I do the rest. That's all I needed. Hey, I get one yard. I get one. One step from him. Just put it up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay?

[Heath Ocho]

Just put it up. I go get it. Hey, but look at the end of the day, I mean he had an unbelievable, he had an unbelievable college career. Do I think he'll get an opportunity? Yeah, based on, based on what he was able to do in college, he finished second in the Heisman Trophy voting. So I do think he'll get an opportunity to, to play at the level. Now whether or not it's, it's gonna be on him. And like you said, the ideal situation going somewhere that they can elevate his play. But let's see what he got. Let's see what he got. Oh, the NBA dropped.

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[Heath Ocho]

Night when it was announced Paul George violated its anti drug policy resulting in a 25 game suspension. According to Paul's statement, the violation of the league drug policy was not related to a performance enhancing substance, but rather to improper use of mental health medication. PG took full responsibility for his action, calling it a poor decision making on his part and apologized to the team in the organization. The violation ocho will cost him almost $12 million. However, Charles Barkley think is more to the story than and that the league isn't revealing. He argued that the NBA should have made a special note of cases like pg. There's something fishy going on here. I don't joke around about mental health, but if you're taking something for mental health, that's got to be an outlier to the NBA. If you're taking something for mental health, even if it's on the list, you should get a hall pass.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think that's what it really was?

[Heath Ocho]

Man, don't start me lying. I don't know. I don't know anything about mental health. And like, like, like Chuck said, I don't joke about it cause people do have, you know, and deal with it. But I, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what drugs, I don't know what's on the band list. Now if you told me like if it's an NFL player, I have a, a general idea of what's on the band list. But in basketball I have no, I have no earthly idea what medications. I mean I see medications that come on television and blah blah blah and stuff like that. But I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I, I think the research needs to be done based on what he was taking. If it was for mental health. As much as we, we preach mental health and then we talk about it and if he's has and is prescribed by a doctor for him to be taking it, I think that the NBA needs to look at that and, and do you really want to suspend a guy even though it. It. It. It's on the list on and being banned? I mean, obviously with the problem and the issues that many are facing when it comes to mental health. Should you really suspend a guy behind that? Especially if what he's taking is not to help enhance his game or in any way. It's not giving. Giving him a competitive advantage but more so to help him what exactly issues he has mentally.

[Heath Ocho]

But here's my thing. If you're taking something, it is your job to go to the team and have the team go to the league and says, I'm taking this for X, Y and Z. So therefore when you come up, there's no right around it. You don't get to say, well, this is for mental health now. Well, you knew you was taking this drug for mental health and you didn't tell us. Just go do preemptive. I mean, Ocho, when I was in the league, anytime I. You know, whether it was creatine or whatever the case may be. I remember when DHE DHEA first came out. Dha. You know, dhea and you know, they're like, hey, it helped with muscle and so forth and so on. Oh, you know, I'm all for try to give it some muscles. Ocho. Hey Greek, what you think about this? He like Sharpie? I don't know. He said let me just hold off and let me get some more information on it. Nah, Sharpie, you can't take that. Okay, what about creatine? Ephedra? You know, we used to be able to take ephedra. And then the young man passed away in. In. In Minnesota.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Corey, you were number 77. I remember Corey.

[Heath Ocho]

So you couldn't take a federal anymore. So anytime I wanted to take a supplement. Ocho. I a. I called Greek. Oh, when I went to Baltimore, I called Test Bill Tessendorf with the track. Hey, Test, what you think about this Sharpie? Bring it in, let me take a look at it and I'll get. And I. And I. I'll. Give me a couple of days. Okay? That's what I would. Oh, Joe. I. I couldn't run. I couldn't run the risk. I just couldn't. I couldn't miss any games. And then your reputation is ruined. One. One time. It's over. So like I said, I don't know, Chad. So I'm not going to sit here and say I know a doctor. I'm a doctor. Or I don't know. I don't know. What. What, What Mental health Drugs would, would, would, would, would trigger a positive test. I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's, that's messed up. I mean, hopefully. I'm not sure if, if he can appeal or if things can be, be looked at, but it sucks. It.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I used to do es and I took it right to Greek. I said, Greek, is there anything in here that would make me test positive on a drug test? The Myoplex, I took the creatine. Yes, I took all that. Yes, absolutely. I didn't sign the contract with them until a. I did do a photo shoot, Ocho. I did do a photo shoot with.

[Chad Ochocinco]

EAs.

[Heath Ocho]

But once Greek told me there was nothing in there in the pro, in this, in the product that would make me test positive. Okay, sign me up. I just hate it. I hate it for pg. Like I said, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So we'll see. I'm sure people gonna start digging and trying to see what, what, what possible mental health drugs that you could, you know, you could take. I don't know, Joe. It just, it's tough. I mean 12, I mean 12 million.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's. I mean. Okay, well, we have to understand this is the NBA. The money they make is completely different than what NFL players make, you know, so I mean, I mean that, that sucks for pg. I'm. Hopefully, you know, they can rectify this situation and find some type of common ground, especially if it's having to deal with mental health.

[Heath Ocho]

But when you do, like, like take a baseball player. Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, I think a first game suspension is 80 games. Damn. I got, yeah, I got a 400 million dollar contract. You take 80 games. So that, let's just say for the sake of argument, you take 70 million, $60 million. I still got 340. Ain't no deterrent, You see. So I just feel bad for pg. Hopefully everything's okay. I like pg. I don't know him, I've never met him. But this is a unfortunate situation. And you know, as they always say, Ocho, what they tell us, you're responsible.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

So, so chat. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know. So I'm sure we'll get more as we, as this thing goes along. Jason Kidd was asked about the national criticism for playing Krupa Flag at the point guard kid replied, criticism? That's your opinion. You guys write that B.S. i've done this. I played this game. I played it. I know what the F I'm doing. I don't give a F what you guys write because you guys have never played the game. I build players so I know what the F I'm doing. So if I can take the criticism, it only makes me better because if I wasn't doing it right, you guys wouldn't be poking holes in what I've done.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on.

[Heath Ocho]

49 points the other night and he had, and he had 34 points.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think tonight he went 49 and then 34 back to back.

[Heath Ocho]

Unfortunately, they lost both games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You see that, that's not on him. Now we need everybody else to come to the party. You got one person up there DJing and nobody on the goddamn dance flow. That, that's, that's the problem. The DJ and DJing and nobody on the goddamn dance flow. Anthony Davis, what's the situation? He gonna be traded before the deadline February 5th. Because we only got a few.

[Heath Ocho]

Well, he's out right now, so whether he's gonna get traded or not, it doesn't matter. He ain't helping clag Kyrie out. I don't know if Kyrie's gonna play. Kyrie is coming back. Coming back off an ACL injury, so I don't know if he's gonna play after the All Star Game or if he's going to play at all this season. Anthony Davis, there's a possibility he could return at some point in time because he fractured a bone, if I'm not mistaken, in his hand, but there's a possibility he could get traded. I would like to see what the Mavericks look like with ad, Kyrie and Coupe, but there's a possibility oo we might not ever see that lineup because Anthony Davis might get traded and Kyrie probably, and, and, and there's a, I don't know, 50, 50 chance he comes back after the All Star Game or he doesn't come back until next season starts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Heath Ocho]

What you think?

[Chad Ochocinco]

David's nice, man.

[Heath Ocho]

Just can't stand.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I, I, I, I could help, but, you know, player people like that or, or, or dudes, they, they don't, they don't listen to me. They don't listen to me. And I think I, I could be one to fix, fix it. He has all the resources, he has all the, the access to, to, to the, the best technology, the, the best nutritionist and, and all this stuff, but man, you know, it don't, it don't come down to all that. Man, and people don't know what they talking about.

[Heath Ocho]

You know, Ocho, sometimes guys just. Just injured. Just injury prone, ain't it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can. I can fix that. Don't. Regardless of sport, whatever you play, I can create a plan to make sure you don't have to deal with these issues. And you're always available for your team at all times.

[Heath Ocho]

No, I think it's. I think it varies player to player. Some players don't never. Don't never get injured or their injuries are very minimal. And then some guys have to fight like hell. I mean, you look at LeBron like a LeBron. LeBron has never missed the whole season. 23 years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Crazy, ain't it?

[Heath Ocho]

He's played more minutes. He's about to pass Kareem for the most games. All of you. I mean, he's already. First of all, when you average up what he's done in the postseason.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Geez. Crazy, Ain't it long?

[Heath Ocho]

Sometimes it's just. It's just freak, Ocho. It's just freaky. Sometimes you're knock on wood. Like, lord, thank you. See, like you never missed. I mean, I missed. I missed a complete season, dude. Not one season. But if you add up the injuries that I had that cost me games, Broke my collar bone, fractured my eye socket, my knee.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it's so funny, right? Is they. They got games. I think I missed maybe two games. And they. They say it was for injury. Hell, man, I got suspended. I could. I could. I could say it now. It. It don't matter now.

[Heath Ocho]

The team suspended you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

I mean, you look at a guy like Grant.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, his ankle.

[Heath Ocho]

Grant Hill. They missed a game in college, had a freak accident, had a freak injury with an ankle, tried to play. He was never the same. Grant here was gonna be special. I remember Grant Hill. Grant Hill was gonna be special. He could do it all. He was a combo guard. He could score the ball, he could rebound the ball, he could facilitate, he could defend at an elite level. Grant Hill was going to be the total pack.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I bet you ain't had. I bet you a had gr. Grand Hill fela shoes.

[Heath Ocho]

I. I don't think I had fe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I had. I had a pair of felas.

[Heath Ocho]

I tell you what I did have. Those black high top aerobics, Reeboks. Those black. Remember those? All black.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not the one with a double strap that come out the top.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, I remember them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I remember them. I remember them. Hey, I used to wear those back in the day. Down here. Down here on polo Polo. Polo sets and the Tommy Hill figure sets with them Reeboks you talk about, man, I remember them days. That's throwback.

[Heath Ocho]

I had the black low that. The highs, baby. Reebok. Grady Demond Wilson, the actor in the sitcom Sanford and Son, has passed away at the age of seven. Demon Wilson son. Demon Wilson Jr confirmed to TMZ that his father had died at his home in Palm Springs following complications related to cancer.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Legend, huh?

[Heath Ocho]

You. It's going to be hard to find a sitcom especially.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

Us better than San Francisco. And San Francisco Son didn't stay on because, you know, the. The money got funny. And you remember Lamont left and started working on the. On the. On the oil rig in Alaska. They brought Cal in. Yeah, you know, it was. Man, San Francisco was. But that was. Sitcoms were. Sitcoms were great.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Different.

[Heath Ocho]

You had the Jeffersons. You had all in the Family. You had good times.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, we missing one.

[Heath Ocho]

You had Alice. You had all the. Man, the sitcoms back there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's happening.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, what's. What's happening? Came on during the week.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I'm some good man. Hey, matter of fact, I still.

[Heath Ocho]

Well, there was the days Ocho and back then, you def. They. You'd never get on air talking like they talked back then, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Please. Hey, you think.

[Heath Ocho]

Boy, they said. They said the N word with the. With the double gbr.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I wonder how many people in the chat. I'm not sure if people in the chat have ever watched Archie Bunker on All in the Family.

[Heath Ocho]

Yes, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it made. It was great tv, especially to be able to watch it now and see some of the things they were able to say back then. Oh, my goodness.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Crazy.

[Heath Ocho]

But you go look at all the. The shows that kind of came off of all in the Family, you know, the Jefferson came off that. I think good times. I think us to roll. I think Bea Arthur, you know, because she started off on mall.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, what you know about mod, huh?

[Heath Ocho]

And then, you know, she got the Golden Girls, man. That was. Man, those. Those days.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, it's funny. All. All that stuff still. Come on. I don't. I don't know. Yeah. Here in Miami on. On Get.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Heath Ocho]

G, G, E, T. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I watch. I watch Sanford and Sun all the time. I watch Colombo all the time. And it comes on. I don't know what. What station that is, but I get all my old stuff. Golden Girls.

[Heath Ocho]

Oh, yeah. My grandma love them Golden Girls, man. My grandma. Golden Girls and Murder And Murder Her Rope. Murder She Wrote. Yeah, it was Murder Her Rope, but. Oh, Libby, make sure you turn the TV to Murder Her Rope. And the girl. Man, that was. Woo. That was. There was a day, though, Joe. Flip Wilson, the variety show. Flip Wilson had a show. Donnie. Donnie Marie had a show. Carol Burnett had a show with Tim Conway. It was those. Those were the days.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Move back.

[Heath Ocho]

Facts of Life. Different.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I. I had a crush on. Now, what's the name? I forgot her name. Damn. What was her name in. Yeah, Goddamn, Tootie.

[Heath Ocho]

Well, there was the days. Ocho. There was. There was sitcom. That's what I mean. We ain't got the attention span. But you raced home, you know what. What day?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

She was coming on Sunday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You locked in. Hey, you remember.

[Heath Ocho]

Remember Archie Bugger?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Remember Punky Brewster?

[Heath Ocho]

I do remember.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What about Small. What about Small Wonder? Remember Small Wonder?

[Heath Ocho]

I remember the show.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The young girl, she was a robot, though.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, Alf, y' all remember Al.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I bet you don't know about. Remember Fraggle Rock?

[Heath Ocho]

Hey, Willie, remember, huh? Fraggle Rock. Yeah, Fraggle Rock came on Sundays. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ah, that's throwback.

[Heath Ocho]

Happy Days. Laverne and Shirley Mork and Mindy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Happy Days. Oh, Happy Days with Fonzie.

[Heath Ocho]

Ron Howe was in there. Yeah. Andy Griffith Showcase. Oh, yeah, remember?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I remember Andy Griffith.

[Heath Ocho]

Little House on the Pair. Bonanza. Gun Smoke.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I remember the House on the Prairie. I remember Bonanza too.

[Heath Ocho]

Well, but that's what a lot of. Was it big? Son, Western. Country westerns were really big back in the late 60s and early 70s. They kind of got away. Kind of got away from those. All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was a good. That was a good show tonight. Boy, it's almost. It's almost 3 o'.

[Heath Ocho]

Clock. I love it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, I'm glad we get over at 3 o' clock because that means when I wake up, when I do wake up, it's gonna be perfect right in time for soccer.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah. When I wake up, I gotta go do. I'm shooting the episode of who We Got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who We Got, Who We Got.

[Heath Ocho]

It's a secret. I tell you out there. Harold Horbitz. 65, 60. Let's talk about how Shakur used too much Vaseline to watch the fight and tell me if he didn't referee. Is used to doing haney fights and cheats. You thought he had too much Vaseline on you? No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. I mean, he did. He did have a lot in his hair. In his hair towards the later rounds, but I'm not sure. I mean, he didn't even get a chance to touch his face all fight. What would it matter, right?

[Heath Ocho]

Shakur85. I don't like. I. I don't like Shakur like that, but he put hands and feet on him tonight. Lopez pop ain't helping with that. Don't know real advice or culture. I mean, you say, so what your power. You gotta touch him, you gotta fight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, in order for him to have a chance tonight, he would have had the. He would have had to take a chance. He would have had. He would have had to put himself in harm's way. And put himself in harm's way. He would have got his ass. Excuse me, I'm sorry. He would have got himself clipped.

[Heath Ocho]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He would have got clip.

[Heath Ocho]

Can't say that I disagree with you, Ocho. Can't say I disagree. Brian, can we finally admit boxing is no longer matters? They will 99% lose to anyone that can really fight for life and money. It's different now. I mean, some of the best boxers. Ocho, guess what? Play basketball and play football. So, I mean, you. You lost a lot of. A lot of athletes. Um, boxing, it takes a different mentality. I mean, to fight, it takes a different mentality.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta have a.

[Heath Ocho]

It's a very lonely sport. It's. You ain't no time out. Hey, I get tired. I can't. Hey, can't tap out, send somebody else in the ring.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, that's a different ballgame, Monk. Especially if people have ever trained. Do you know how long three minutes is? Just say in the ring, let's say by yourself. Imagine with somebody coming after you, chasing after you, trying to knock your head off, and the coach telling you, remain relaxed. Remain relaxed. Just chill. Just chill. Man. Is. It's different. It's a different animal. That's why I think boxing or combat sports in general, when someone trying to hurt you, someone trying to do bodily harm to you, I think it's the most. The most difficult sport to ever, ever play outside of baseball. And of course, some people will say golf.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, people keep naming the chats. Y' all. Remember Dallas, Falcon Crest? Dynasty.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dynasty. The lady with the long hair, Crystal Gale, is Crystal Gale. Dynasty.

[Heath Ocho]

No, that's. That was John Collins. That was Joan Collins. Foresight, John Foresight. And what was the other lady? I know you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. What was her name? I can't remember Crystal Carrington, but no, that was her name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What was the show?

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What was the name of the show, though?

[Heath Ocho]

Charlie's Angel. You remember Charlie's Angels?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Charlie's Angel.

[Heath Ocho]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Crystal Gale. I forgot. She was. She was the one of the characters on the main show my mama used to stay watching. My grandma used to stay watching that.

[Heath Ocho]

Linda Evans. Linda Evans. That's her name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, what about. What about Three's Company with Jack?

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, man, what you call. He was so funny.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they was funny, Mr. Ripple. Funny.

[Heath Ocho]

Lavar J. Happy Black History Month, Uncle Nocho. Who's the greatest leader that inspired y' all growing up, historically or family wise?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who the greatest leader historically? I mean, for me, obviously not those that are mentioned with some of the greats in the world, but my grandma, Grandma great, greatest, greatest leader I've known, you know, obviously being able to live. Live and see the way she conducted herself. Yeah, that to me, that. That's. That's my greatest leader.

[Heath Ocho]

You took. That's it. I was gonna go with my grandmother. Oh, Grandma Dolo the villain, bro. Should have went to whoever did. Steve Harvey, man unit, bro. I don't know who. I don't know who did that. Ocho, you said they better race the man off his page.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they had it on Twitter. They found the barber that did the unit, and the barber had it already deleted it. He deleted it once he found out. Once he saw. I guess maybe deleted once it went off in the ring. Now, you ain't gonna make my business bad. Let me get this off my page.

[Heath Ocho]

Once I find out he going there to box and he gonna sweat it out, I'd have done. I'd have never put that up on my page. Hey, my man, what you do for a living? Oh, you boxed it. Don't worry about it. Spurs legend. Ward with Mollywop. Ocho, please.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Andre, water. Molly Wapu.

[Heath Ocho]

Who. Who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who said that? Who? Who said that?

[Heath Ocho]

Spurs legend.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A Spurs legend. I'm sure. If you're in San Antonio, let me know. When I fight Andre Ward, I want to make sure you ringside, okay? I want to make sure you ringside. I want you to apologize to me after I bruise him up.

[Heath Ocho]

Long way. 502. Do you think Boots gets his shot at Keyshawn or wait be too big?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we want to see Boots and Virgil Ortiz.

[Heath Ocho]

I mean, you told these guys, these guys, 141.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Way too big. Boots and Virgil Ortiz, it ain't invading.

[Heath Ocho]

Bud League now, bud. Take that leap to go, you know, jump three weight Class. Everybody ain't jumping three weight classes like that. Or you look at a. A Roy Jones.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Roy different. That's special. Special. Special.

[Heath Ocho]

Tyrone Reed. He had to catch that fade, literally. Harold Horvitz. Cheating is cheating. The referee called that he had used way too much Vaseline. Vaseline looked like he. He was at a puppy party.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cheating. Cheating how? What. What do we. How the cheating?

[Heath Ocho]

They said. They said the referee warned him about putting that much Vaseline on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And did you hear the comment that they just said? They said cheating is cheating. At what point and how is it cheating? What is it doing?

[Heath Ocho]

He said the referee should have called it because he said he used too much Vaseline. But I mean, so y' all think so that man could have went out. That man could have went out there with sandpaper on his face. And the punches stick, and Lopez still wasn't gonna beat him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He might have hit Shakur in the face maybe twice, and it wasn't even clean the whole night. And he talk about damn Vaseline.

[Heath Ocho]

Man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Sit down somewhere, man. Finding something to complain about. I knew, hey, I was curious. What were people gonna say tonight after this performance? And here they go. They just find anything to say?

[Heath Ocho]

Lopez would have need to get a hammer, hit the man in the head, and knock him out because he wasn't gonna land no punch.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He might have missed. He might have missed with the hammer, too.

[Heath Ocho]

Underscore show. What's up, Uncle Nocho? If they made an autobiography about your life, what actor is playing?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's easy for me. I mean, ASAP Rocky, they have to. You know what they do, how they make people move the hair. Either asap, Rocky or Tyrese.

[Heath Ocho]

Tyrese could do you, I guess. I don't know. Ted Cruz ain't got no beard now. Ain't got no hair either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, they're up there, this Hollywood, huh? You know, they can make anything happen.

[Heath Ocho]

Nah, man, I don't want no fro. I guess they could give him some ways like I had when I was in college, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hollywood had him looking just like you. Huh?

[Heath Ocho]

Who y' all think. Who y' all think should play me? I'm trying to think. Who could play me?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Blair Underwood.

[Heath Ocho]

Idris elbow. Oh, with the bear diet. Eat your family. Gonna play A. Oh. Oh, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you don't pick E, but that's a good one, that boy.

[Heath Ocho]

Hey, hell, no. Don't load a villain, Unc. Stop saving Ocho. Let him get touched. Nah.

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Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, no, no, no, no. Hey, I'm gonna be on. Tell them Come touch me. That I'm on whatever they own, I'm on that type of time. Yeah, tell them to come touch me, man.

[Heath Ocho]

Hey, Phil Johnson says, Ocho, y' all should make a reality show with y' all doing different sports, from UFC to basketball to tennis, even Olympic sports. You should have caught me about 15 years ago. That have been perfect. I had two good hips, knees didn't ache, back didn't hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But this is the thing that's too late. We can still make that show and you could be my coach in each event. So we listen, we go across the globe challenging all the elite players at their respective craft. Tennis, I go play. Carlos Alcaraz. Boxing. You. You.

[Heath Ocho]

Well, he playing Djokovic right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's on.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, I think so. Isn't it on there? Maybe. Come on. At three in the morning? Maybe it's coming at three.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I got.

[Heath Ocho]

I got Brian M. Imagine every athlete from middle school until all. Till we all fail. Baseball injuries are nothing compared to football injuries. Football deserves a billion dollar salary cap per team. We all know it. And that's the bare minimum it is. The body wasn't made to be put on the ground like that continuously over and over. And most of us have been playing it since we were kids, before we were 10. It's a brutal game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Heath Ocho]

But you know what? Especially now, we know what we signed up for. We didn't know anything about CTE and all that other stuff. Ocho. We just wanted to play. And our parents wanted to get us out of the damn house. So go play. Our parents and grandparents wanted to get us out that damn house. Roddy M, you tripping on this one. We're not going to watch go from watching Puka and JSN to some trash and replacement. Well, you did that with Jerry Rice. You did that with Joe Montana. You did. You absolutely did. And guess what? They showed up. So whoever the players were, they struck in 82 and they struck again in 87. So get go. Whoever your favorite player was, they all struck. So you did, you did. And you do it again. Pappy Ray. You guys remember the first time you seen someone wearing your jersey in public? I do, yeah. I mean, looking up in that state, going to the. Driving to the stadium and seeing somebody that, that 84 jersey, that's a good feeling now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good feeling.

[Heath Ocho]

Ain't nothing like it, man. Like, damn, they got my jersey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a great feeling. I never forget what that felt like. Not only seeing people in my jersey, you know, walking to the game in the stadium. Coming out as a rookie, I hadn't even cracked the starting lineup yet and seen those 85s in that stand. Then seeing myself on the video game, the video game I've been playing since 1988 on Sega Genesis, seeing myself on Madden for the first time, man, that feeling was awesome. That was awesome.

[Heath Ocho]

It is. It's an unbelievable feeling that, you know, 70,000, 80,000, 75,000 people cheer your name, know who you are and have your jersey. Oh, man, it's a have. I remember the first time I got a card, saw my play it, saw my. A football card. Ocho like damn. Adj. A male co worker has been making things up about me to our female co worker. He buys them food and flirts, but they enjoy my company. Is this insecurity? How do I handle it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ojo, wait, hold on, hold on. Say that. Say that again so I can, I can, I can assess.

[Heath Ocho]

He said a male co worker has been making things up about me to our female co workers. He buys them food and he flirts with them, but they enjoy my company. Is this insecurity? How do I handle it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ignore it. Ignore it. Because see, he having to leave with money. He haven't leave it with money. And you ain't got to leave with that. So you keep playing your part, keep playing your position, stay cool. Or like the kids say, keep it pee. I don't know what that mean, but just keep it Pete and do your thing matter. Don't even say nothing because you want to winning side anyway. The fact that he has to to leave with money and buy stuff, that, that lets you know where you at.

[Heath Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, bro, I know they like you, but just keep it just that, don't take it any further. I know they're like working. I could just imagine being in a situation where you work and women are attractive and look nice and things like that, but when it goes sideways, go sideways in the hurry. I would advise, if anything, if you can, if all possible, find you somebody else to like outside of that. Now if y' all just keeping it platonic, hey, how you doing? What y' all do, so forth and so on. Keep it like that, but don't let it go any further. And him don't even pay him no attention. Like you say, most of the time, you know people, they'll be able to see through that and they're going to wonder why, why he's always mentioning you when you never mention him. That completes this episode.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm going to Waffle House.

[Heath Ocho]

Thank you. Well, go ahead. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Y' all know me. I'm your favorite unc. That is my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend, the Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, a former pro bowler and an All Pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Guys, make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Ocho and I would like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. Because nights like this, when it's early, early in the morning on the east coast, you guys are here supporting us. And so Ojo and I would like to personally thank you. Please, please. Thank you. Make sure you check out Shea by La Portier. If you're looking to purchase a bottle and you cannot find it in the state or city near you, head to laportier.com and order you a bottle or two. We have the OG the 750 bottle and the Junior now, which is the 375. It has the same great quality, the same taste, the same smoothness. Please Drake responsible and stay safe. Tickets for our super bowl live show in San Francisco are on sale now. That link is pinned in the chat. The show will be Thursday night, February 5th at the Earps Theater in San Francisco. So Bay Area residents, Patriots fans, Seahawk fans, and NFL fans alike, if you're in the area, come on out and see your favorite. Uncle Neff, meet Ocho and I. Meet and greet. Tickets are sold out completely, but there are still general admission tickets left. Shakur Stevenson beats Teofimo Lopez by unanimous decision. Keyshawn Davis knocks out Jermaine ortiz in the 12th round. 14 seconds left. He called out Devin Haney and Haney said, hey, Keisha, let's do it. Boxer Jarell Big Baby Miller, his hairpiece got knocked loose. He ended up made light of situation. He took it off, threw it on the outside the ring and everybody had a good time putting it on. Play good money. And Volco defended his title. The UFC featherweight, he defeated Diego Lopez by unanimous decision. 49, 46, 49, 46, 50, 45. And he ties Jose Jose Aldo for the most fight wins in UFC featherweight history with eight. But note say Denise Dan Hooker by TKO. He's 93. In the UFC, Mauricio Ruffy won his fight by TKO and he immediately called out Patty the Baddie and Conor McGregor. The NFL salary cap is moving up Ocho between $301 million and $305.7 million. That's gonna make some players very, very happy. And Justin Jefferson is excited for his former teammate Sam Darnold, but he still wish he had him in Minnesota. We want to thank each and every one of you guys for joining us tonight. We'll see you tomorrow night. Again, thank you for your support. Hey, and Roman Reigns is is on his way to Wrestlemania as he won as he Gunther. He defeated Gunther in the Cody Rose, Brock, Lesnar Logan, Paul the Miz, Jay uso, Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Jacob Fatu, Gunther. But it was the OTC, the original tribal chief that's on his way to WrestleMania thanks to royal Rumble. And Liv Morgan won the ribbon title and she's headed to Royal Rumble. She beat Charlotte Flair Ivy now Kiana James a host. But Liv Morgan is your winner and she's headed to wrestlemania. So gay. Thank you guys for joining us. I'm unc Heath Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow night. Thank you. Good night everyone. Sa.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Heath Ocho]

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