Nightcap Hour 2: Niners Demarcus Robinson joins NIGHTCAP + Reporters faces BACKLASH after ENCOURAGING Liam Coen + Mike McDaniel HOT CANDIDATE for the Browns + Aaron Rodgers GOES OFF on internet fans

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2 (Jan 13, 2026)

Main Theme/Purpose

This episode of Nightcap (Hour 2), hosted by "Uncle Nocho" (Shannon Sharpe) and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, dives into wild-card weekend in the NFL with a lively, candid tone. The main topics include a standout interview with San Francisco 49er Demarcus Robinson after a career playoff performance, a debate over a reporter’s emotional support for Jags’ Liam Coen and the backlash, head coach/coordinator rumors (including Mike McDaniel’s future), and a passionate defense by Aaron Rodgers of embattled NFL coaches. The show's hallmark is honest, player-first football talk, mixing humor, sharp analysis, and memorable lines.

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Key Interview: Demarcus Robinson (SF 49ers WR)

[00:36–12:13]

Career Playoff Game Breakdown

• Robinson discusses his pivotal game: 6 catches, 111 yards, 1 TD in the Niners’ wild-card win.
• Niners down several star receivers—Debo Samuel, Aiyuk, Kittle, and more—Robinson forced into a lead role.

Unc (Nocho):

“Now it's time for you guys because a lot has been made. Purdy is good, but he's propped up by all these all pros and pro bowlers. So now it's you... What was your mindset going in into a hostile environment and to come away with a victory?”
[00:40]

Robinson:

“Them boys had to go out and play hard just to get that dub just so we can get another game on the road. It's never easy to get a win on the road, but those guys came in, man, we fought all together. As soon as Kittle went down... them boys show resiliency yesterday, for real.”
[01:48]

Building Trust with the Coaching Staff & QB

• Robinson details how his confidence grew after being trusted with increased targets.

Chad ‘Ochocinco’ Johnson:

“As a receiver...what is that feeling like, man?”
[02:07]

Robinson:

“It felt good, man, to know them boys had trusted me, Purdy and. And Kyle Shanahan. Man, it felt good...”
[02:34]

• He emphasizes the importance of being ready (“stay ready for that moment”) and how making key plays early in Shanahan’s system leads to bigger roles: “Once you made that play, I said, oh, yeah. Oh, they gonna feed him.” [03:12]

Facing the Seahawks… Again

• Robinson breaks down the match-up and DBs: Witherspoon, Woolen, “that’s some good DBs, man...we ain't scared. Ain't backing down.” [04:20]
• On defensive unpredictability: “You never know what you gonna get. You don't know if they gonna play. Cause last week, they hit us with the Cover 2. I don't think we was really even expecting the Cover 2…” [06:44]

Physicality & West Coast System Chops

• Run blocking is non-negotiable in Shanahan’s offense:

“If you as a wide receiver in that offense, if you don't do no blocking in the run game, no get on the sideline, you ain't get on the side, you might go back to the bench.” – Unc [07:31]

• Run-after-catch skills: “That’s all it is. Get on the ball and get up field.” – Robinson [08:34]

Memorable Quotes/Moments

• “You see, I’m giving your boy that work? That work? Yeah, your boy two seven. Oh, he got that work. They had to get him up off him.” – Unc [04:50]
• “Man, let me do my dance on y’ all.” – Robinson [10:01]
• “Having a game like that, Rob, boy, it gives you so much confidence, bro…you go into the next game, expecting to have that same type of performance.” – Ocho [10:07]
• “If you don’t block, you getting off.” – Unc, explaining how essential physicality is in Shanahan’s system. [12:21]

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Debate: Reporter Encourages Jaguars’ Liam Coen – Professionalism or Compassion?

[14:47–19:56]

The Incident

• After a playoff loss, reporter Lyn Jones tells Jags’ Liam Coen: “You did a great job out there today. You just hold your head up, okay? ... You keep it going. We got another season, okay?” [14:54]
• Jones faces backlash for ‘breaking journalistic neutrality’ by rooting for a coach.

Ochocinco:

“For me on the outside looking in...it was refreshing.” [16:07] “It was the first time ever hearing someone approach a coach like that.” [16:11]

Unc:
Explains traditional journalistic neutrality (“You’re supposed to be Switzerland... just ask questions and write”), but found her approach “refreshing” and says, “I wish personally more people had empathy. I don't think we have enough empathy.” [19:44]

• Ochocinco and Unc both see value in her emotional honesty, but recognize why beat writers and others criticized it.

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Coaching Carousel & Mike McDaniel’s Prospects

[25:10–35:30]

McDaniel as Head Coach or OC?

• Recently fired Dolphins HC Mike McDaniel set to interview with Browns, Ravens, Falcons, Titans; rumored OC of Lions job also discussed.

Ochocinco:

• Lions: “Now that I do like.” [26:46]
• Browns: “Your job becomes that much more difficult because you have to do more with less.” [28:05]
• “Mike McDaniel with his creative mind... I would love him over there with the Lions.” [26:56]

Unc:

• “He has a great offensive mind...McVeigh, Shanahans, the LaFleurs, the Kevin O’Connells…We’ve seen what those systems…work, especially when you got talent.” [29:09]

Head Coach Hot List

• John Harbaugh considered “Miss America” of the hiring cycle—“once Harbaugh decides where he’s going to go, I think all the other pieces will start to fall in place.” [35:30]

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Aaron Rodgers Goes Off on Internet Fans About Coaching Hot Seats

[36:48–43:23]

The Rant

• Rodgers defends Mike Tomlin and Matt LaFleur from “hot seat” talk and attacks “Twitter experts and all the…experts on TV now who make it seem like they know what the hell they’re talking about. To me, that’s an absolute joke.” [37:25]

Full Quote ([37:01]):

“For either of those two guys to be on the hot seat is really apropos of where we’re at as a society and a league, because obviously, Matt’s done a lot of great things in Green Bay, and we had a lot of success. Mike T, he’s had more success than damn near anybody in the league…when I first got in the league, there wouldn’t be conversation about whether those guys were on the hot seat…”
– Aaron Rodgers

The Hosts Debate:

• Ochocinco: Agrees with much of Rodgers’ sentiment but points out, “as a player or head coach, you gotta update your resume” every year. [38:33]
• Unc: “What are we measuring success by?...Our job is to win championships. Multiple. We can’t get...one championship and think that entitles us to a lifetime contract.” [38:57]
• Unc also notes Tomlin’s recent playoff futility: “Steelers have now lost their last seven playoff games...that is the longest playoff losing streak in franchise history. None of the last five games have even been close.” [41:06]

Memorable Exchange:

“What are we talking about? …In all honesty, what are we talking about?” – Unc [41:36]

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Playoff Reaction, Fan Q&A, and Rapid-Fire Analysis

Snippets on:

• Texans D stifling the Steelers (“Texans can get after you, man.” [50:32])
• Overhyped QBs after brief success (“Let it play out…that’s not what you want. Consistency.” [47:56], [52:34])
• Steelers’ roster problems, playoff futility, and offense struggles (Najee Harris’ “a thousand yards in 17 games…that’s basically damn like 62 yards a game,” [44:00])
• Whither A.J. Brown? Dream fits debated by chat and hosts—KC, Chargers, Giants, Patriots (as a childhood favorite) [56:17–57:43]
• What trait’s overrated in QBs? “Arm strength.” Most important? “Right here.” (points to head – “the best elite trait for a quarterback is right here.” [62:02])

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• “If you as a wide receiver in that offense, if you don't do no blocking in the run game... you might go back to the bench.” – Unc, [07:31]
• “You see I’m giving your boy that work? That work? ... your boy two seven, oh, he got that work.” – Unc, [04:50]
• “It was refreshing to hear a reporter actually have empathy for head coach in that situation.” – Ochocinco, [18:15]
• “As a head coach, you know, the onus is on you. If you're not winning...don't think that entitles us to a lifetime contract.” – Unc, [38:57]
• “You’ve got to update your resume.” – Ochocinco, [38:33]
• “What trait’s overrated in QBs? Arm strength. Arm don’t mean nothing. The best trait is here.” – Ochocinco, [61:47–62:04]

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Structure & Flow

• Energetic, informal banter led by two ex-players.
• Focuses first on Robinson’s underdog performance and preparation.
• Segues into broader NFL debates: coaching trends, the pressures from media/fans, and the humanity inside/around sports.
• Listener engagement is high — lots of Q&A, riffing, inside jokes, and community-building.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

Nightcap Hour 2 delivered a heartfelt spotlight on a breakout playoff star (Demarcus Robinson), challenged media and fandom norms about empathy and pressure in pro sports, and tackled the coaching carousel and controversies shaking up the NFL. With sly humor, sharp player insight, and no-holds-barred debate, it’s a must-listen for football fans invested in both the game and its culture.

Key Timestamps:

• [00:36–12:13] Demarcus Robinson interview
• [14:47–19:56] Empathy & journalism debate
• [25:10–35:30] Coaching carousel discussion (Mike McDaniel, Harbaugh)
• [36:48–43:23] Aaron Rodgers/Coach Hot Seats
• [Multiple points after 43:23] Playoff analysis, Q&A, wide-ranging riffing

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Original Tone:
Candid, unfiltered, humorous, empathetic, and always rooted in a player-first perspective. The hosts frequently break mid-football analysis for jokes and real talk: “Let me find my pen and paper,” [42:34], “Man, let me do my dance on y’all,” [10:01].

Transcript

[Uncle Nocho]

Hey, Sal.

[Hank]

Hank, what's going on?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

We haven't worked a case in years.

[Uncle Nocho]

I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy. Too easy.

[Hank]

Think something's up.

[Uncle Nocho]

You tell me. They got thousands of options, found a great car at a great price, and it got delivered the next day. It sounds like Carvana just makes it easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right. Case closed. Buy your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply. All right, areas.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Drock.

[Uncle Nocho]

Nice time to welcome. I think you muted right now, Rob.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Muted Rob.

[Uncle Nocho]

Y' all muted me. Okay, now we good. He won super bowl with Kansas City in 2019 Sunday. Had a big game, had a. Probably a career playoff. I think this was your career playoff high. Six catches, a buck 11 and a touchdown. He. He got the party started early with the. With the dagger route over the middle. Took that in and then he delayed it, caught the post route for a touchdown. Had an outstanding game. Demarcus Robinson, wide receiver, San Francisco 49ers. Rob, there was a lot put on your guys plate. You lose Debo Iuk is not there all year long. Kittle goes down. Now yourself, Jennings. Parasol is out. Now it's time for you guys because a lot has been made. Purdy is good, but he's propped up by all these all pros and pro bowlers. So now it's you is Jennings and the backup tight end. And you guys got to go out there and make plays. What's good? What was your mindset? Because you know you're not gonna. Debo's been gone. You knew Iuk's not coming back, but you thought you would at least have Kittle. What was you guys mindset going in into a hostile environment and to come away with a victory.

[Demarcus Robinson]

I think the guys, man, we knew it was at stake. You feel me? Them boys had to go out and play hard just to get that dub just so we can get another. Another game on the road. And it's never easy to get a win on the road, but those guys came in, man, we fought all together. As soon as Kittle went down, we knew Jake had to come in, make a couple plays. And them boys show resiliency yesterday, for.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Real, what did that feel like? Having a game like that, letting the 49ers, letting your quarterback know that you can count on me, especially in. In situations like that, in important games that actually matter for you to have that type of game. What did that feel like? I mean, listen, I'm honestly, as. As. As a receiver, I ain't never had no success in goddamn playoffs. Hell, I ain't. I. Have. I been there. Oh, hey, I just. What. What is that feeling like, man?

[Demarcus Robinson]

It felt good, man, to know them boys had trusted me, Purdy and. And Kyle Shanahan. Man, it felt good to feel like they had trust in me. You know, they wouldn't be causing those play to put me in those position to get me the ball, to know I'm do what I could do and go down there and score a touchdown. So it really felt good just for them boys to get some trust in me. For real?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Oh, I played for his dad. Oh, you make that play early. Oh, you done. You. Oh, you getting the ball the rest of the. Once you made that play on that Dagger. Do y' all call it Dagger? Will y' all call it over?

[Demarcus Robinson]

Nah, we call it Dagger. I know what you talking about.

[Uncle Nocho]

You.

[Demarcus Robinson]

We call it Dagger, too.

[Uncle Nocho]

Okay. I know what you. Yeah, yeah. And so once you made that play, I said, oh, yeah. Oh, they gonna feed him.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yep. And coming back. And you know the funny thing about when you have a performance like you did in that game, what you think that thing will look like in the next one coming back to you? They gonna have stuff already drawn up specifically for you to do. They already let Shanahan already know what you do. Well, we're gonna add that, and he gonna throw something on top of it because, you know, because Purdy knows you're gonna make the play. And subconsciously, when you have a great game like that, the quarterback gonna come to you when you least expect it.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

That's the way the way the game flows.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's why I needed. That's why I needed that Typ. Build that trust with him. Let them know, hey, man, as we keep going forward. I got you, bro. If them boys ain't in here, you don't. You. You ain't got nobody to lean on. I'm the guy.

[Uncle Nocho]

Come see me. Yeah, well, I mean, look, he ain't got no choice now. I mean, he's lost kd and you and. And Jennings are. You know, you're his wide receivers. You're his most trusted. And so now. Hey, and it's not. Look, you guys just played them last game of the season, so you know what type of game it's going to be. You know what's out there. They got spoon and woolen.

[Demarcus Robinson]

For real.

[Uncle Nocho]

You. Hey, you know what's. You know what's in front of you. I o. And I ain't got to tell you nothing. First time y' all played them, huh?

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's some good DBs, man. I ain't gonna lie. We gonna go out there and do. And do what we do, though. Shoot, we ain't scared. Ain't backing down last time.

[Uncle Nocho]

Hey, you. Hey, you one step closer, for real.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Uncle Nocho]

One step closer.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, you were talking. You were talking hella out there, man. What, somebody pissed you off or something? Nah.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Hey, hey, Coach over there talking to me. So I'm like, sure. You see what's going on, Coach, These boy can't. These boy can't hold me, for real.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Like, oh, you know what you got.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Ain't no need to yap. You see, it's on the field, Coach, Right?

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Hey, you talking. You see, I'm giving your boy that work. That work? Yeah, your boy two seven. Oh, he got that work. They had to get him up off him. Was on him, right?

[Demarcus Robinson]

Yeah, yeah. They had to get him up off of me the first drive.

[Uncle Nocho]

You can't do that with it.

[Hank]

Wrong.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Nah, you can't do that with me, man. You might call somebody else. Call back up, for real.

[Uncle Nocho]

But did you. Did you know you was going to have this type of input going into the game?

[Demarcus Robinson]

So, like, the plan was to kind of get me to baller. I was way in. In the. In the playbook this week more than any other week. So. Because Ricky wasn't up, so I'm like, okay, these boy gonna be able to feed me a little bit. So, you know. You know, you go through it in practice. You go out all through the routine plays and stuff like that, but I ain't know. It's just gonna be as fast as it was, right?

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That was second play of the game. 60 yard, a fourth player.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Touchdown.

[Uncle Nocho]

But here's the thing. What makes me upset is that they feed me all week long, and then we come to the game, and I don't get no honey.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

I'm out there, bull driving around, you know, they ain't throwing me no passes. And now y' all feed me. See, why y' all do me like this? Y' all could have had my mind. My mind ain't really where it's supposed.

[Demarcus Robinson]

To be right now.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That how I felt Versus Seattle. Versus Seattle the first time we played on board, man, I'm like, dog. Cause we kind of had it drawn up for me to get a couple passes, but you know how the game go. And then change it up. A little bit. Then, you know, you never know what you're gonna get out there, man. So shoot it. Really. You know, you got to stay ready for that moment whenever that ball do come.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. And the fact that you guys are playing the Seahawks again, I'm. You're familiar with their defense. Do. Do you see any problems in general for you from an individual standpoint? Not a team collectively, but from an individual standpoint, you know, whether it be Witherspoon, whether it be, you know, Brother Woolen, Is there any. Anyone out there that you would see it poses any. Not threat, but you know, where. You know, okay, you know what? I gotta tie my shoes up tight. I got to come to play.

[Demarcus Robinson]

No, I mean, that's our. That's every game. Like, them boys could have been like, 27 last week. Oh, that boy caught two picks, you.

[Uncle Nocho]

Know what I'm saying?

[Demarcus Robinson]

So you never know what you gonna get. You never know how they gonna play if it's gonna be them boys coming out, being physical, you know, Reed Woodland, that's why he bigger size, physical cat. So long, long arms, you know, you never know what you gonna get. You don't know if they gonna play. Cause last week, they hit us with the COVID 2. I don't think we was really even expecting the COVID 2. You feel me? So they played Cover 2 when we played on the first time or the last game of the season. But. So we got to be ready for whatever they throw at us, for real.

[Uncle Nocho]

But see, that's what the times are, you know, hey, and the run block. And see, I got to get physical with y'. All. Cause, see, y' all be trying to get physical in the past, so. Because I know. I know how Kyle lives play for. Like I said, play for his dad, and he has a lot of his dad similarities and a lot of that coaching staff. Bobby T. The running back coach. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, if you don't do. No, if you don't do. If you as a wide receiver in that offense, if you don't do no blocking in the run game, no get.

[Demarcus Robinson]

On the sideline, you ain't get on the side, you might go back to the bench.

[Uncle Nocho]

Absolutely. And I don't give a damn who you are. For real, though, you got the block in that.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Hey.

[Uncle Nocho]

In that system.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Because CMC gonna get his touches.

[Uncle Nocho]

Oh, you already know that.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Yeah, he getting his touches. So you gotta. You gotta know what I'm saying.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You got.

[Demarcus Robinson]

They making everybody look good right now, though. Now we gotta spread that thing around. We just lost killer, man. So trust me, Lee, I'm ready for this. Another one against these boys right here.

[Uncle Nocho]

I'm so. Hey, man, I'm so sorry. You down Real. You put your boy up, you know what I'm saying?

[Demarcus Robinson]

Oh, I'm here this week again, don't play with them.

[Uncle Nocho]

But also, I think the thing that, that, that really helps. And you have to have this in the West Coast. Your receivers got to be run after the catch.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Because it's all about getting the ball in the receiver's hand. And look, ain't a whole lot of deep throws, you know, Goldberg, nine balls, it's a lot of shallow crosses, It's a lot of daggers, it's a lot of overs. It's a lot of stuff where digs in, cuts, where they expecting you to spin out of a tackle and get.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Up out of there. Yeah, yeah, that what I did last week. Yeah, that's how. That's how they was using on Debo, too, a lot. Get on the ball and get up field. That. That's all it is.

[Uncle Nocho]

Green bubble screen. What is. What is. You familiar?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You.

[Uncle Nocho]

This. This is. They probably have different terminology in Kansas City, but this is basically the same system. It's the west coast system. It came out of Coach Walsh, same thing. Mike Shanahan, all that. So it's been paired. Maybe they call it green, maybe you call it orange or blue or whatever you call it, but it's pretty much the same principle, same thing.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's what I was saying about. That's why I came over here from when I was in LA last year. Him and. Him and Sean got. Got kind of the same kind of route tree and stuff like that. They kind of terminology all the same, so it wasn't really that hard to pick up on the playbook. And it just, you know, few things here now. They switch up the verbiage on it, but it's basically the same type of offenses. For real.

[Uncle Nocho]

Man, you. You seem so excited because, like, it probably caught you off, off guard. Like, you got to be ready for the moment, cuz you don't know when that moment's going to happen, but you've got to be ready for it when it does happen.

[Demarcus Robinson]

No, for real, I was ready, boy. I was ready. I seen that ball in the air. I said, oh, sn. I would have threw that ball, man. I got up field, cut back, cut back. I see him rallying. Let me go and get out. You ain't gonna get it.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, they try to get it up out of me. They try to get it up out of me. And then y' all read the delay. Y' all ready to play action? Ready to play. You make like you go block you. Yeah, yeah. I was stalky. I'm stalky. I know. I'm going to the pool. Let me get that.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Need it. He's too late, man. Touchdown. Man, let me do my dance on y'.

[Uncle Nocho]

All.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, that's dope, man. I'm. I'm happy for you, but it's one. It's one thing about having a game like that, man. The Rob, boy, it gives you so much confidence, bro.

[Demarcus Robinson]

For real.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

So much confidence. It just. It had you walking different. Are you talking different? You're going to. And you. And you go into the next game, and you expecting to have that same type of performance. So whenever those opportunities do present themselves and you already got that confidence rolling, man, ain't nothing out there, man. Ain't nothing out there gonna be able to stop you. So, man, I'm happy for you. And I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited for this game because it's gonna be a good one.

[Demarcus Robinson]

But y' all gonna be it, man. Y'.

[Uncle Nocho]

All.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Y' all popping out. Where y' all at this weekend? Who y' all watching?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, well, I'm. I'm. Listen, I'm gonna be watch. I'll be way in Brazil, but I'm gonna be watching.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Nocho]

For sure. For sure.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Tuned in.

[Uncle Nocho]

Rob. I'm. I'mma tell you. This is what you tell cmac, because this is what I used to tell td. Hey, man, they in cover, too. Run their ass out, up, out it.

[Demarcus Robinson]

I'm trying to tell you, that's all we got to do.

[Uncle Nocho]

We can't throw them out of COVID too. You run. Hey, online. Run they ass out of this cover, too. For real.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Bring on safety down there. Safety down. Yeah, that's all we gotta do.

[Uncle Nocho]

Run them up out of this. Cause if you don't roll them up out of it, they gonna play cover, too.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Now we're gonna stay right in it. And you ain't getting no pad. You ain't getting nothing over the top of that.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, and I ain't really trying to cut. The only thing really, that's open is try to get it. Fit it in between. Try to hold the corner up and then try to run. Run the sail in behind them or run the square out the deep. Nah, nah, nah. Run their ass. I'll need a safety down. I needed me and him.

[Demarcus Robinson]

That's all. Hey, that's all I'M asking for. Get that running game going. No, put that ball in the air. I'm gonna do what it do.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

That's what I'm talking about, man. Congratulations on the unbelievable game. Six catches, 111 yards, and the touchdown. He started the game off. Second play of the game. Go 60. And then he ends up catching a touchdown. They catch score a touchdown late in the ball game. And The San Francisco 49ers advanced to the divisional round to take on the arch nemesis, the Seattle Seahawks. Yes, sir, that game is going to be played on. That game is played Saturday. Excuse me. Saturday night. So. Good luck, D. Rob. We'll see you down the road, man.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Man, I appreciate y', all, man. Glad y' all have me on here, man. I appreciate it.

[Uncle Nocho]

Oh, yeah. Tell Cal I say what's up.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Yeah, I will do, man. For sure. All right. All right. For sure, y'.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

All.

[Uncle Nocho]

All right. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for coming on, man. We got so much stuff we ain't even get to ask him about. He got Tick Tock videos and everything. But it's all good, man. He was so. I mean, like I said, I know that system and I know what's required. You heard what he's saying? Oh, you don't block. You getting off. Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You heard what he said. The first thing, you might. Would not come off the bench.

[Uncle Nocho]

I know that. Hey, like I said, Kyle. Kyle might be. Might be harder than his dad, but he got a lot of his dad's. A lot of his dad's traits, right? Give you the ball early, you make a few plays, right? Oh, you're gonna have a big game.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, you good.

[Uncle Nocho]

I could have told. I could have told. I say, oh, D. Rob gonna have a big game because he got the ball. He. Kyle, his dad was just like that. He calls up early and you make a. You make a play for him. You good? Yeah, you good. That's why I would only want the ball early. Whoever got the ball early, that's who's gonna be getting it late. Now, let me get that thing. Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You know. You know what I do like, too, also about the offense. A lot of people may say a lot of stuff about Purdy, but Purdy fits very well in Shanahan's system.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

And he doesn't force the ball. He gonna give you. He gonna.

[Uncle Nocho]

Whatever.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Whatever you give him, he gonna take it. So you never know whose day it's gonna be. You never know who day is gonna be. Now, McCaffrey, he gonna always get his. And he absolutely he always gonna have opportunities. But outside of McCaffrey, those receivers, everybody got to be alert because you just never know.

[Uncle Nocho]

Well, that's how it was. We knew TD. TD was gonna get 25 touches. Oh, yeah. Is it gonna be 20, 22, 23 runs and two passes or he gonna get 25 to 30 touches right now? We didn't. We. Look, TD wasn't the pass catcher. We, you know, we throw him a screen or. Or we throw him a flat rod or something like that. We'll check, you know, a Texas ride or something like that. But he gonna get 22. He gonna get 22, 25 carries, and if the game dictated, he might get 30. You understood that. So the little 25 passes that John was gonna throw, how are they gonna be divvied up? They gonna be diving up? I just. I just. Hey, I just need me. Let me give you about five or six targets. I. I'll make it. Do something with it. I'll make it. Do something with it. Oh, there's a viral video going around about a. A reporter having words of encouragement from Liam Cohen following the Jags playoff loss. Let's take a listen to what the video talks about.

[Demarcus Robinson]

How you doing today?

[Uncle Nocho]

Lynn Jones, Jacksonville Free Press News. I just want to tell you congratulations on your success, young man. Thank you. You hold your head up, all right?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You guys have had a most magnificent season.

[Uncle Nocho]

Thank you. You did a great job out there today. So you just hold your head up, okay? Ladies and gentlemen, Duvall, you the one, all right? You keep it going. We got another season, okay?

[Demarcus Robinson]

I appreciate it.

[Uncle Nocho]

Take care of.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Much continued success to you and the entire team.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Thank you, ma'.

[Uncle Nocho]

Am. While many see the. The video is very heartwarming, others have called her out. Now, Lynn Jones said that she's under criticism because she's black. I'm a member of the Black Press. I'm the editor of the Jacksonville Free Press, and one of the more than 230 African American papers support the black press.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oo talk to me because you're.

[Uncle Nocho]

You're.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Bet you're better because you're. You're somewhat in that space and understand when it comes to journalism, what you can and what you can do, what's professional, what's not professional. And for. For me on the outside looking in, being that I'm not really in that space, being a player, not being a coach, but being a player and hearing words like that, coming from someone who is supposed to be a journalist and ask questions on maybe, why did you lose? What didn't go right. Stuff like that and hearing something different for a change, to me, it was refreshing.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yes.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Pressing to hear. I'm not used to it. That is my first time ever hearing.

[Uncle Nocho]

Someone approach probably the first time. Yeah, my first time hearing something like that.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

So I, I would love, I would love to hear your thoughts on what you did.

[Uncle Nocho]

Normally, media members are supposed to be independent. Yes. They're not supposed to support or criticize. I mean, you know, you could criticize well, the plays here, the plays that this. But she, it's not like she's a columnist. A columnist is different than a, A beat reporter. So from on one hand. Yes, yes. That is very out of the ordinary for them. For a reporter to say, you keep your head up. Yes, sir. You did a good job. We proud of you. Whatever. Whatever. All she said, there's next year. Normally reporters coach. Obviously it was a tough loss for the season, but. But what. What did you think if you could do it over again, what would you like to have over? What would play, you know, things of that nature. So we don't normally that's. I think a better word is that reporters are supposed to lack empathy. They're not supposed to show compassion. In that moment, she can see that his head was down. She's probably covered up every. She's probably been. Every press conference this man has had since he's been the head coach of the Jags.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Uncle Nocho]

She could see he was hurting. She would see he was down. The empathy that she showed in that moment, most journalists, like, I understand, it's nice, but she can't. She's not supposed to do that. She's supposed to be Switzerland. She's supposed to be neutral. Right. So she's not supposed to be sad. She's not supposed to be excited. She, she's not supposed to be disappointed. She's not supposed to be angry. She's supposed to just ask questions and write.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Do her, do her job.

[Uncle Nocho]

Basically, that's it.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Matter of fact, her. She, she is the outlet for what the fans want to hear. She's supposed to ask the question to the head coach in that moment so the fans can get the answers on why things didn't go the way they think it should have.

[Uncle Nocho]

That is correct.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. I, listen, I, I understand both sides. Obviously, the, the, the notion that it was unprofessional. I don't like that part of it because to me, it was refreshing to hear reporter actually have empathy for head coach in that situation. With all the work that they put in, the success that they've had this season. And seeing that coach is obviously distraught, you know, in that moment. So give, giving him in, giving him that praise in that moment. I don't see anything wrong with it. But I can see those that are journalists, that are columnists, that are in that space and, and do their job in a certain manner in, and finally seeing someone do it a little bit differently than what they're not used to hearing or seeing. I can see why they're upset.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm not surprised that she got the criticism that she got. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming because like you said, like I said, journalists are not supposed to have basically any emotion. You're just asking, you're just asking questions because you are the, the link between the fan and the coach.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Nocho]

You're asking questions that you think the fans would want, that would want answers to and deserve answers to. So you're not supposed, if someone's down, you're not supposed to show compassion. Somebody's feeling so too good, you're not supposed to try and bring them down. You're just, you're there, you're just to ask questions. Right. But like you said, it is, it is, it is. It was different.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

And I, I think, I wish personally more people had empathy. I don't think we have enough empathy.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Absolutely not.

[Uncle Nocho]

Actually, I don't think we have enough compassion.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right. Especially in those spaces. Especially in those space. I'm, I'm, I'm curious what the, what the chat would think. Chad, I would love to hear your thoughts, you know, on, on, on her, you know, taking a different approach as opposed to asking questions but giving coach Grace, you know, for the work he had done and telling him to up. I'm just curious to hear what you guys may think as well.

[Uncle Nocho]

Well, I think the thing is, I think for the most part the chat is gonna like. Most people are level headed and they, they, It's kind of like Ocho. I look at it like this. Pro savings days are on at Lowe's.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

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[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

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[Uncle Nocho]

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[Uncle Nocho]

When somebody else have surgery, it's minor. When you have surgery, it's major. So people don't. As long as if I get empathy, I'm cool with no one else getting empathy.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Nocho]

Or compassion. And I think the thing is, is that, you know, we've all been there and we needed to, needed to pick me up. And I think in that space, as a journalist, that's one of the things that you're talking journalism. You're not supposed to feel one way or another or you're supposed to suppress those and not let people know. Do I think journalists have a liking to certain players? Sure. Do I think journalists have a liking to certain coaches? Sure. Do I think player. Do I think journalists have a certain dislike to certain players and coaches? Absolutely. Yes. At the end of the day, a journalist is a human being. You might be, you might supposed to be able to contain your emotions. That doesn't mean your absence other. And I think that's the, the biggest thing is that people think, okay, just you're this. No, I still have emotions, I still have feelings. I feel, I still have empathy, I still feel sympathy, I still have compassion. I still have, you know, I get angry or get upset or whatever the term that you, you, you want to use. At the end of the day, no matter what my occupation is, what my title is, no matter how much money, at the end of the day, when you, If I got 700 billion, if you got Elon Musk money, Elon Musk is still a man. He's still. Maybe the same thing that triggers, that makes him get upset, doesn't make you get upset. Maybe it's the same thing that makes him happy, doesn't make you happy, but he still has emotions. Humans are not robots. They're, they're not devoid of feelings. But I thought it was, I, it was a reference. It was refreshing, yeah, to hear her say that. But I knew she was going to catch some criticism for forcing in that space. Now she had pulled him aside, nobody would ever heard. But she said it in a public forum. Right. And I think, you know, so I'm not, I'm not surprised of the criticism that she's receiving for what she said because I, I knew it was going to happen on show. I did, I really did. But it's over and done with now. I mean, I just, you know, sometimes I do wish we had more compassion in that, you know, But some people have more than others. That's just the way it is. Oh yeah, we Some people just have more compassion than others. I mean maybe, maybe it's a, a game, but I, I always give homeless people money and maybe it's a con. Maybe they're not homeless at all. Maybe, maybe, maybe they got a car parked across the street somewhere and they get in their car and, and change clothes or go home and shower and put on it. Right. And do it all over again. But hey, it is what it is. They'll have to answer for that. I won't.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Nocho]

That, that's, that's the way I look at it. That's, that's the way I look at it. So I like Liam Cohen. I think, I think the Jags have a very, very bright, promising future in front of them. Yeah, they got, they got a good team. They got a good team and the guy they took with the second pick in the draft really didn't give them anything. So when he comes back as a wide receiver, you saw Parker Washington step up. They got Jacoby Myers. Brian Thomas Jr. Didn't have the type of season that he had the previous year.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Uncle Nocho]

So just imagine if he gets back to what he was. Ocho.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Man, you know, you know what? And I also look at it. We're now with the way Parker Washington play this year. Brian Thomas Jr. Is probably going to be there next year. Jacoby's there now. I can see a role where now.

[Uncle Nocho]

Travis Hunter playing full time DB and a part time wide receiver.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Well, yeah. Full time db, part time wide receiver.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yep.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

I think that's probably what it's going.

[Uncle Nocho]

To be, which I thought was the best case scenario for him anyway. But hey, you said that that'll be something that I'm sure we'll have an opportun to talk about that once they get back into the OTAs again and once they get the training camp we'll kind of see where and I'm sure the, the reporters that are at practice they'll be he's taking this many snaps on the defensive side, this many snaps on the offensive side and maybe it flow fluctuates up and down, but I think that's kind of the direction that they're heading in. I think probably where he gets the majority of his snaps on the defensive side and takes a few snaps here and there where he can help them on the offensive side. Have signed Former Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel has already become a hot coaching candidate. After being fired just a week ago from the dolphins, McDaniel is set to meet with the Browns, Ravens, Falcons, Titans. According to NFL Network's Tom Pelissero. Cleveland may get the first swing and interviewing McDaniel as their meeting is set for Monday. The team announced on social media he previously worked for the Brows in 2014 as their wide receiver coach. Kyle was the offensive coordinator, and he was the. The wide receiver coach. Oo, no. You like no idea. Mike McDaniel coaching?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. All the teams you just named. I don't like it. But I do like one that you didn't name. Now, I saw the report. I don't know if it was false or whether it was real or not, but I saw where he might have an opportunity to be the officer coordinator for the Detroit Lions. Now that I do like.

[Uncle Nocho]

Right.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Mike McDaniels with his creative mind. I'm not saying he's been Johnson, but if you think about the goddamn Dolphins, what was that, three years. Was it three years ago?

[Uncle Nocho]

Two years ago? Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Two.

[Uncle Nocho]

Two years ago when they went to the championship game. That was three years ago. They ended up losing to the 49ers.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Listen, that offense and that creativity that he had with those receivers and the stuff that he was able to do with. With Tyreek Hill, can you imagine him being able to have a Brown and doing all that. All that stuff, and you got Gibbs. I'm not sure if Montgomery's coming back. I'm not sure, you know, how that's gonna work, but I would love. I would love of Mike McDaniels and that creativity he has offensively over there with the Lions. And obviously, I think, you know, coach, Mr. Campbell, I don't think he wants. He's not gonna. He's not gonna call plays no more. Yeah, he's looking for somebody to relieve him of those duties.

[Uncle Nocho]

But could Mike McDaniel revive DeShawn's career?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

He don't have the. He don't have the. He don't have the pieces over there. It'd be. It'd be. It'd be too much. So if. If. If Mike McDaniel goes to the Lions, his job is that much easier because of what you have at your disposal.

[Uncle Nocho]

I agree. I totally agree.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

And now your job as an officer, coordinator, or head coach, whatever it may be, with the Browns now, your job becomes that much more difficult because you have to. You have to do more with less. I know the. The pendulum is. It's uneven.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, it's.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

It's uneven. So now you. You're putting yourself behind the eight ball, going to a place where. Okay, I have to be damn near perfect.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, I Ain't got no margin.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, man. No, no, no, that, that lion job. Yes. Hey, that did you, did you mention the Falcons?

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Also, if I, if I read correctly today, I think John harbor interviewed for the Falcons.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, oh, I got another one for you.

[Uncle Nocho]

Huh?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

I got another for you. Nobody mentioned it. Mike McDaniels over there with the Eagles.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Hey, come on now. Come on, come on now. And I, I'm not gonna mention that, but yeah, Mike McDaniels of the Eels. Yeah, I like that.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. I, I, I think the thing is, look, he has a great offensive mind. And, and those guys that the, the McVeigh, the Shanahans, he came from that system. Yeah, that school, the LaFleurs, the Kevin O'. Connell. So we've seen what those systems, what they Andy Reid, that West coast system, the or hybrids thereof. We've seen it work, especially when you got talent. And so as you mentioned, Detroit has loads of talent. Atlanta has talent. I don't know would they want him to be the head coach? But you know, I'm sure he yeah, well, yeah, because he said to meet the Browns, Ravens, Falcons, Titans. Okay. Ravens has a quarterback. Titans have a quarterback. Right now there's kind of uncertainty. They got still have Kurt half Cousins on the roster, but they got a lot of money and a high draft pick, a top 10 pick. Right. Tied up in Michael Pennies Jr. So it'd be very, very interesting. But when you have the creative mind that Mike McDaniel has and we saw what they dialed up when Tyreek was healthy, we down up what he's able to do with hn and so and, and waddle and they had. I forget what's the tight end Oo we had him on. He just came back this year.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Kiss.

[Uncle Nocho]

No from a, from the Dolphins.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, Darren Waller.

[Uncle Nocho]

Darren Waller. Yeah. Yeah. So m m some nice pieces. Somebody can go there but they, they need a quarterback and I'm reading today they said they're looking with the coach they come in. You're not required to try to. Well, this is what I can do with, with TUA right now. We're not even if what the reports are being saying. It's like, you know, you can if you want to move on, we will we'll oblige you in that aspect. But I think from a talent, just pure talent.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Falcons, you look at their defense over the Lions. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying the Lions have a head coach. He's interviewing for a head coaching job. He's not, he's not interviewing for no offensive coordinator.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Uncle Nocho]

Now, if. If. If none of those become available. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

If it's a head coaching job, I mean, Falcon got to be knocking down the dope. They got.

[Uncle Nocho]

John Harbaugh is out there. I think he's first on everybody's list because he has 18 years experience. He's won many divisions, and he's gone to and won a Super Bowl. So he's probably. He's Miss America. He's gonna get the first date if he wants it.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

That's how they're looking at Nocho. I like the Titans. I think the Titans got a quarterback. I think the Giants have a quarterback, but I don't really know a whole lot about the Titans. All I just know is they got Simmons over there and he's special.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, he.

[Uncle Nocho]

He is.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, he ain't gonna be that long, but go ahead.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. You know, they got Calvin Ridley. He's coming back off of injury, the tight end. So they got some pieces. Pollard played well, but all things being equal, he has an interview with the Ravens. The Ravens need a lot of work defensively. We know what they got with Lamar. They need some. They need to fix that. That offensive line.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Mainly right guard. They gotta fix that. Don't you. They gotta fix that. And they gotta get Zay Flowers. I don't think Zay is going anywhere. But Bateman this year was a no show. He's no show.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Damn. Hey, I.

[Uncle Nocho]

That.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

That.

[Uncle Nocho]

That.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

That's tough, man. That's tough because. Because I'm just speaking on Bateman's. Bateman behalf. You can only do so much when the opportunity don't present themselves, you know?

[Uncle Nocho]

I agree.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You can only do so much.

[Uncle Nocho]

Well, he ain't do that much. I get what you said. He didn't do that. He didn't do that much. Oh. So I. I think the thing is, look, the question is, I mean, are you going to go another year and not have DeShawn get on the field and not do anything? Now, obviously, he couldn't do anything last year, Ocho. He had the Achilles injury. They never activate him. He was, you know, he was. He was scheduled to come, but they didn't bring him off the IR list. But what are you going to do, right? You gonna let him sit on the sidelines again for another $50 million? Right?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Is it? I mean, I guess. I think you. I think you at least try.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

I'm not. I don't know. I. I hate saying never or always, but it's just I'm not sure that, that he'll be ever what he was when he was in Houston. And, and that was the thing, Ocho. That's why you gave up what you gave up. That's why you gave up the compensation because you, oh, you're 26, not 36. He was 26. But there's no way you could have foreseen. I don't know what they knew or what they didn't know. I mean, everything is speculation. Some say they did, some say they did. I don't know what they did, knew. I don't know what they knew, when they knew what they, you know, I don't know. All I know. But for that kind of money, oh, I got to try to get something. Yeah, I got to. But those are some great choices for McDaniel.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah, very good ones. Very good ones.

[Uncle Nocho]

Falcons loaded with talent. Ravens. Look, the Ravens got the best quarterback out there on the market of the teams that, that, you know, that's available. Obviously, you know, about a two time mvp. The Titans have a quarterback that they believe in and I think, you know, Cam Ward played well. Calvin really comes back. Maybe add some pieces.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Red.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah, but it's gonna, it's gonna be very interesting to see how this thing. I think there was. Somebody's waiting for the big domino to fall and I think that's John Harbaugh. I think once Harbaugh decides where he's going to go, I think all the other pieces will start to fall in place after he decides what he's going to do. So I think everybody's kind of waiting, you know, because nobody wants to jump the gun. What, man, you had a chance to John Harbaugh and you went ahead and you hired this guy. So I think once that domino falls, Ocho, I think everything else will kind of fall into place from there.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Nocho]

And then you, you'll see, you know. But hey, maybe there's some coaches that's still in the postseason. Maybe the Rams, D.C. who knows? Maybe the Clint Kubak I think gets an opportunity. Obviously. They couldn't talk. They couldn't talk. Yeah, they could. I don't know if he interviewed though.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Wait, they can't, they can't talk to a coach while he's still coaching.

[Hank]

Huh?

[Uncle Nocho]

They can't. They can't. If you. On the bye week, you could do, you could do zoom.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Uncle Nocho]

But all, all the teams that's playing. So somebody from say the Patriots or you know, the Steelers or whomever, anybody that played this weekend no, you're not able to talk to them if you lost. You're able to talk now. But the teams that were on the bye week, you could have zoom meetings.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right. So, okay.

[Uncle Nocho]

Aaron Rodgers went off on fans on social media who want Mike Tomlin and Matt LaFleur fired. Let's take a listen to what Aaron had to say after the game.

[Hank]

This league has changed a lot in my 21 years. You know, when you hear a conversation about the. The Mike Tomlins of the world, Matt LaFleur's of the world, those are just two that kind of. I played for, and when I first got in the league, there wouldn't be conversation about whether those guys were on the hot seat. You know, but the way that the league is covered now and the way that there's snap decisions and the validity given to the, you know, the Twitter experts and all the, you know, experts on TV now who make it seem like they know what the hell they're talking about, to me, that's an absolute joke. And for either of those two guys to be on the hot seat is really apropos of where we're at as a society and a league, because obviously, Matt's done a lot of great things in Green Bay, and we had a lot of success. Mike T, he's had more success than damn near anybody in the league, you know, from. For the last 19, 20 years. And I've answered that a number of times. I've talked extensively about how I feel about Mike and I. And I just did. And that answer. So thanks.

[Uncle Nocho]

All right.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Hey, I like. I like what he said. I like what he said.

[Uncle Nocho]

Right.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

And he said they've had success, including Mike Tomlin. Michael Force has success. Mike Tomlins has success for the last umpteen years. Right. But what's one thing you always say as players that you got to do each year?

[Uncle Nocho]

Resume.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You got to update your resume. Even when you came.

[Uncle Nocho]

Go ahead.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

I'm going to say even as. Even as head coach, you know, the onus on. The onus is on you. You know, so it's reflecting you as a coach. If you're not winning, I mean, the end goal can be. Okay. We had a winning season. Okay. We were above.500.

[Uncle Nocho]

Let me ask you this, Ocho. What are we measuring success by? Because at the end of the day, I thought our job is to win championships. Multiple. We can't get. Win one championship and think that entitles us to a lifetime contract.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Nocho]

Even as a player, if. If you. If we've learned nothing else. Peyton Manning did not have a lifetime contract with the Colts. Tom Brady did not have a lifetime contract with the Patriots. Aaron Rodgers. Aaron, you didn't have a lifetime. Nobody's one day, boy. You want, folks, MVPs? You want a Super Bowl? Super Bowl MVP, right? In the words of Janet Jackson, what have you done for me lately? That's what we are now, Ocho. Yeah, that. That's. That's where we are. And look, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but, you know, I think Coach Landry won his last super bowl in the mid-70s. He went back to the super bowl in the late 70s, lost to the Steelers both times. But to stay on 10, 12 years. I think those days are over, Ocho. I really do.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You know what? The funny thing about it, even if those days are over, if you do, you fire Leflore. Okay. You fire Mike Tomlin.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yes.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Nothing going to change them. No, nothing going to change because you.

[Uncle Nocho]

Definitely got to get better.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

But with Leflore, I think their team, because they do, they still have a. A very good quarterback, a top 10 quarterback over there. So they will always be in contention based on the. The construction of their team. Now, the goddamn Steelers are always going to be in purgatory. They're always going to be in purgatory, especially right now, because it takes years to find a competent quarterback you can build around. Takes.

[Uncle Nocho]

It takes years, Ocho. The Steelers have now lost their last seven playoff games, dating back to 2016. AFC championship game. That is the longest playoff losing streak in franchise history. None of the last five games have ever. Have not even been close. Yeah, they lost each game by double digits. So what are we doing? What are we talking about? Well, I mean, in all honesty, what are we talking about?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

You're right. I mean, see, Aaron is. Aaron is taking them having success over the years as opposed to looking at how things are playing out right now. Right now, right now.

[Uncle Nocho]

And she. Look, this is not like a marriage for. For rich and poor and sickness ain't health. No, bro, I can lead this. We. I can lead this relationship, bro. I'm not getting the fulfillment out of it that I need. That's just the way it is, Ocho, is what it is. My girlfriend said all the time, boy, it's hard, but it's fair. Sad, but it's true.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. That's a good one right there. That was simple. That was simple, but that was a good one. Hold on. Let me find the pen, my pen and paper.

[Uncle Nocho]

And I These results, this is. I mean, Steelers ain't been close. Still haven't been close. I can see if we had, we could have a discussion about them being close. They ain't been close in a decade. They've lost their last seven games, the last seven playoff games. How are they close to winning?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Damn Hotel ain't got close to winning a championship.

[Uncle Nocho]

Ooh.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, no, they not. They not. Not even close.

[Uncle Nocho]

Hey, they.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Listen, they were kind of all in defensively. You know, they went and got some good pieces, very good pieces. So if they win one, that defense would have had to play like Houston played that defense for the Steelers would have had to play like the Broncos played all season long.

[Uncle Nocho]

Right.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

They weren't like that. Even though I think that they. They might have the highest roster, the highest earnings when it comes to a defense in general. But they didn't play like it on paper. Oh, it looked good because I was one of the first ones to talk when they got. When. When they got all them boys. Oh, they finna be nice slay and. And Hayward back. You got. You got Ramsey, Joy Porter.

[Uncle Nocho]

You know, TJ Was kind of beat up this year. I. I think in all honesty, They really. I mean, Jaylen Warren was okay game. What was okay in the running game. They haven't really been able to run the ball consistently like the Steelers that we. You know, they had N. Harris, but, you know, he. He got a thousand yards. But a thousand yards. I mean, a thousand yards in 17 games. On your age the same. No, that's. That's basically damn like 62 yards a game, but 62 yards of game rushing. I get you a thousand yards or close to it. Yeah, it gets you a thousand. I think 62. 62 times 10 is 620 plus another 7. 62. Yeah. What are we doing? I look Steelers gonna do what they do. And I noticed, like I said, Steelers hadn't fired a coach. Let the last coach. They hadn't had a. They three coaches in 50 years. Yeah, that's what they've had, three coaches in 50 years. And Chuck. No retired. Coach Noel retired. Coach Kyle retired. I think what you call him got the job. I think Coach Kyra coached 16 years. I think he got the job in 92. Because coach. I remember coach. He's the DC at. @ Kansas City under.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Marty. For.

[Uncle Nocho]

Real. Yeah. Huh. You know, coach actually played. Coach played with the Browns. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. I know about that, though. Yeah, I know about.

[Uncle Nocho]

That. Yeah. So with the Steelers lost tonight, Mike Tomlin has now tied former Bengals Coach Marvin Lewis for the most consecutive playoff losses, seven in NFL history. Oh, you don't want to be on that list. All right, Ocho, now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

A. Oh, Marvin, Let me try my camera one more time. I'm sick of this. I'm sick of this.

[Uncle Nocho]

Thing. Yeah, I don't know what you got going on, Brian. M. 6198 giants NFC champs 2027 with Harbaugh. Give us a plus minus. So I'm just trying to figure out where Seattle going, where the Bears going, where the 49ers going, where the Rams. Eli manning deserves hall of fame over rogers, over big ben, over us. He's not dan. Dan mattingly. He's effing eli manning. I like Eli, but he wasn't better than Rogers or Big.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Bad. I mean, you know the first thing they say? They say, well, Eli Manning had two Super Bowls. He's beat Tom Brady.

[Uncle Nocho]

Twice. Oh, Trey Dipper has a Super Bowl. He ain't better than Dan Marino. Brad Johnson has a Super Bowl. He ain't better than Dan Marino. Right. What we doing here? Look at the body of work, Man. DG7CJ also not who he used to be. He did not play well. He has not played well. He has not played consistent. Yeah, he's turnover machine now, Ocho. He.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Is. I'm not sure what the issue is, but whatever he did his rookie year, I don't know what it was. He got. He got. He got to pull that back out of.

[Uncle Nocho]

Him. Well, you did. You did you hear him talk after he had that rookie season. Yeah, he anointed himself historically and generational great, bruh. What makes the greats great is that they have success over. Over a sustained period of time. Not no one season consistency. I mean we've seen a lot of guys have a great one season. That's not what you want. Yeah, filthy McNasty Eagle fan here. Our office was anemic all year. No one to blame but ourselves. Fire the O.C. ocho, invite A.J. to Wide Receiver University. He needs your.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Help. Well, A.J. is good man. May he come. He come on out there have you know politic with the boys. But he's good. He's.

[Uncle Nocho]

Good. True and infamous Texas defense was hunting out there. Good luck Drake. May cause you're going to need it and a big and need it big time. Hey, both of these defense can hunt. You saw the way they hunted Justin Herbert yesterday. You saw tonight the way the Texans and that's what they've been able to do all year.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Long.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Get out to the opposing team's quarterback. Now, if you look at it the way the game started off, Stevens was trying to neutralize that rush by running the football. I believe the Patriots can run the football a little better than what? Well, I know they can. I don't think I know with Henderson and, and. And Madre Stevens. So Stevens is Stevens or Stevenson? Stevenson. I know they can run the football. Yeah. Better than the Steelers. So that's the way you neutralize a pass rush. You got to be able to run the football. Because they're gonna get home. Yeah, they're gonna get home. Hellbell OG Y' all Texas fans happy? Huh? CJ gonna throw four picks next game. Well, he had three turnovers this one. Bob and Patel. Texas will get blown out by the Patriots. Steven Steelers offensive line was just sorry. Rogers and Tomlin need to go to the Falcons. Solid running back, sliding wide receiver, tight end, good defense and a weak ass division. True. True. Zz jhd1zz man, that defense almost rushed to my house tonight. They are different.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Sheesh. And the boy good.

[Uncle Nocho]

Man. Texas can get after you man. And listen with Danelle Hunter and Will Anderson Jr. And they got those guys inside. They got rankings. They got Barnett. I didn't see. I don't know if settle is injured or, or. And Mario Edwards Jr. But hey, they get after the quarterback. Shazir man. Petri kill the Batman. Three things are certain in life. In life, death, taxes. And the Steelers being one and done in the playoffs pretty much seven straight. All I know is people beat up Marvin Lewis when he was losing every year in the.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Playoffs. Oh.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. You know you got to have a winning record to get into the playoffs, right? Yeah. And people beat him up. Oh, I'm leave that alone, Ocho. I got no chill uncle no show. What were the Steelers thinking? Trade away pickets while he was still on his rookie contract? They were faking. They were not going to be able to get that out of him. Yeah, it's okay. Let him go. Flourish. We can't get that out of it. He didn't believe in the quarterbacks. They didn't know how to get him the ball. Here's a win. They're going to get a draft pick out of it. Pick seemingly found a home or made himself a lot of money. If he chooses to go elsewhere. Everybody wins. Not famous. Reggie. What's up, Ocho? Big fan from Boston. Can you shout out my dad? Reggie Senior. He's a lifelong Steelers fan and the boys just went down again Absolutely Reggie Reggie Senior sorry about your Steelers man oh yeah bees that way sometimes but it do you can't be too disappointed because you guys have done this.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Since 2016 yeah for a.

[Uncle Nocho]

Minute Eric G what Petri say God is the greatest our defense might be number two.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

He did say that that's a classic.

[Uncle Nocho]

Line baby Patel Texas offense was the reason they don't they don't win at all I don't believe in Stroud over hyped after one season sports media need to stop overhyping all these quarterbacks after a good rookie season or a sophomore season. You're right guys used to have now will anoint you I mean guys normally had to put together three four seasons before we started talking about how great somebody else now gotta have one season and now he's man he better than such and such he better than let it play out we got time to judge him they ain't going nowhere T11 Steelers need to stop signing has been players and focus on the draft.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

I agree yeah that's that's a good one that's a good.

[Uncle Nocho]

One DJ R why crazy Ocho throw the entire jacket out what jacket? The one you just took off.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Man you can say that's somebody that's that just doesn't know you don't know Nah he don't know they probably probably young though they don't know about Averex.

[Uncle Nocho]

King underscore David their office is mid at best but I don't think any team in the AFC can handle this Texas D11 to the ball every damn play you make it difficult if you turn the ball over.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Now that's gonna.

[Uncle Nocho]

Be very everybody that you're gonna play now has better offenses much better so Shockwave truth Roger Shell shock he's done he's 42 he doesn't have the players that can elevate him and at this age and he's not able to elevate on a consistent basis the players around.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Him.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah this is not new TS car wash detail service it's all over Rogers and Russell Ocho why don't you have have no merch have you have a fan base a great interview with that that take the singer I ain't I ain't interview Tank I would like to interview Tank but I haven't told the Virgo Steeler fans are not allowed to say when 10 and years 2662 Caleb Williams Bo Nick CJ Stroud Jackson Dart Jane Daniel all over hyped by the Media, let's see some consistency before crowning these guys, okay? I ain't gonna fight you, bro. Aaron Cooks. What up? Who do y' all have mvp and what is the voting criteria? Man, I vote. I would have voted. Matt.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Stafford. Matt. Matt.

[Uncle Nocho]

Stafford. Cal Simpson. Defense saved CJ's career. Three turnovers of the playoff game and still win. If I was cj, I'd name my daughter Texans. Deisha Stroud. Yeah, and then they played. Who they played the last time. Did they play Kansas City? He had a couple turnovers. I mean, after his rookie year, he's kind of turned the ball over a little bit too much for my liking.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Ocho.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Where do you want to see AJ play next season?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Chat. Oh, that's a good.

[Uncle Nocho]

One. What do you think he's gonna be happy at?

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Oh, another West. West coast system. I'm trying to think of a West coast system that is a need of a.

[Uncle Nocho]

Receiver. Kansas.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

City. Kansas City is a good one. Who.

[Uncle Nocho]

Else? You know who did another receiver? Who? The Chargers. The.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Raiders? No, the Raiders already got a receiver coming over there, but. Oh.

[Uncle Nocho]

Chargers, Ravens, the.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Giants. Oh, hey. A.J. brown and Malik.

[Uncle Nocho]

Neighbors. A1 cooks. A.J. brown to the Pats. It was his favorite team as a kid. He has a good relationship with Braves. Shout out to me. Making five years in the army from Augusta, Georgia. A1 Cooks. Thank you for your.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Service. Thank you for your service.

[Demarcus Robinson]

Boy.

[Uncle Nocho]

Nah, that their Braves raise wouldn't. Ain't gonna go for that. What? What Sirianni went for, you ain't gonna be talking no uncultured underscore. J. That boy OO went through somebody's medicine cabinet behind the mirror in the bathroom with that jacket on. Oh, why they don't like your.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Jacket? That's the color them young folk.

[Uncle Nocho]

Man, I told you that your boy Sammy. What's up, Uncle? No show Today I turned 27 years old. I wanted to say thank y' all for all the laughs and advice you give. I grateful for y', all, man. Ocho, for my birthday, my wish. Give Uncle.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

5900. Man. Whose side y' all.

[Uncle Nocho]

On? Side? You owe me money. Karen. Fan character with eyes wide open, blushing. Why you blushing? Karen? Sam Zelinsky. Chat. Who y' all got, Pats or.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Texans? Hey, that's a tough one.

[Uncle Nocho]

Now. It is. But I think I lean towards the Pats at home. Kumar Arthur Smith going on five years with seven different quarterbacks. Four with the, four with Falcons, three with Steelers. Ryan Wilson Rogers past his prime. Should he go to Detroit or Philly? Who? Arthur Smith. Look, he had some sex success, Ocho, when he was the OC in Tennessee. But they were a running team. Yeah. Remember they had Derrick Henry. Yeah, they had A.J. brown, but they were a running team. They were a big physical team. Ran the football. Tanny Hill play action. Defense was really good. They had Harold Landry and. And Simmons and Kevin Byard and you know, they had some nice pieces on.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Joe.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Baba Patan. She did nothing wrong. All she did. All these journalists ask the same dumb questions every week. Spreading negativity, trying to tear down players and coaches. I liked it. G Gip9165. I know it's NFL night, but do you see Big Seaton enter the port? I.

[Hank]

Did.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. The five star offensive lineman from.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Colorado. Colorado. Yeah, I saw it. I saw him going to.

[Uncle Nocho]

Port. He got Ojo D goes going to the highest bidder. I mean, Ocho, I mean the top 500. Three quarters of a million.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yeah. Must be the.

[Uncle Nocho]

Money. Must be shines. Double zero. Anyone notice Brady tap AF players on the helmet? Helmet? What players? He shakes their hand. No, I didn't notice.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

That. I ain't pay that no.

[Uncle Nocho]

Man. Jordan two time. If you had to build a Super bowl team and you could only overpay one piece. Quarterback, pass rusher, offensive line, what do you spend? Offensive line.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Yep.

[Uncle Nocho]

Overpaying. I mean, no. Well, no, I'm the quarterback. I don't give a damn how good your office line. You ain't got the guy to pull the trigger. Give me Tom Brady. He'll figure it out. Give me Peyton, man. He'll figure it.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Out. Shoot with no offensive line, give.

[Uncle Nocho]

Me a great offensive line and then you put a quarterback back there, what you gonna get? Shoot nothing in today's game, Ocho. Now maybe once upon a time, yeah. But now with the rules the way they are, right? No. Name one elite trait you. That you think fans overrate when judging quarterbacks. One trait you believe predicts winning. That fans barely talk about. The overweight arm strip. Yeah, he got. Oh, he got a.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Cannon. I don't mean nothing. And the one thing I. I.

[Uncle Nocho]

Ain'T taking my quarterback to war. I don't need no.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Cannon. Hey, the. The best. The best elite trait for a quarterback is right.

[Uncle Nocho]

Here.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Absolutely. That's the best. The best trait to.

[Uncle Nocho]

Have. Ronnie M. Hate to say but as a Steelers fan, we may need to trade TJ to rebuild. We're turning into the same. Oh, damn. We're turning into the damn Cowboys at this point. Damn. Brian M. 6198. Who is more clutch as an underdog than Eli? You're.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Right. That doesn't mean he's better than some of the other quarterbacks that were named earlier.

[Uncle Nocho]

Though. Nope. No. He's led the league in touchdowns more than he's led the league in passing or touch or touchdowns. Nah, I ain't taking them over Rothenberger or Aaron Rogers. Jersey B. Should Texans possibly entertain moving C.J. no man up for someone like Burrow. Man, they not trading Borough love CJ but little mistakes likely will lose you the games. Yeah, he's turned the ball over a lot lately. Yes. Yes, he has. But pump Cincinnati. Why am I training? Why am I trading you? Why am I training Burrow for.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Cj? Not happening. I mean, it's a cool hypothetical. You could. You could make that happen on Madden if you.

[Uncle Nocho]

Play. What do you think about the Bills OC to Atlanta as a head coach? I think Joe Brady is the OC at Buffalo.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Ocho.

[Uncle Nocho]

Yeah. Hell, anything's possible. I think Mr. Mr. Blank's gonna leave no stone unturned. He wants to win. And hey, and that's Matt Ryan's job now. Corey Blessman humor is Ocha. Ravens just hired you as the new old head coach. Who are you bringing as your O.C. and D.C. also, what are you doing with this roster before next season? I don't know why y' all want to make me.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Coach. I. I told you the right. The writing is on the wall. Yeah, you just can't see.

[Uncle Nocho]

It. I got.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Removing. The knock is at the wall. Nah, the knock is at the door, but you just ain't answering.

[Hank]

It.

[Uncle Nocho]

Nah. If I'm the Ravens, I'm gonna hire Clint Kubiak, OC for the the Seattle Seahawks. He's creative. You see what he's doing? You saw what. You see what he's done? Yeah. With Sam Darling, what he's been able to do with Jackson with JSN got the running game. What concerns me is bad Sam Donald turned that ball over. He injured. I mean, he had 20 plus turnovers this season. Ocho. Yeah, That'll get you beat. Chat man Champion OO chain from Teemu. I seen it the other day. Oh, you're your chain for.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Tebow.

[Uncle Nocho]

Nope.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

What? From my jeweler Teemu? Nah, I don't know. I don't know what Timu is. What's.

[Uncle Nocho]

Timu? You do know what Tebow.

[Chad 'Oo' Cinco Johnson]

Is. I'm supposed to know what Timo.

[Uncle Nocho]

Is? Emu. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch the Houston Texans in the Pittsburgh Steelers season thanks to the score of 30 to 6, they get a scoop and score for a touchdown. They get a pick six, four touchdowns. The Texans defense did that really, really put this game away, but I don't really think they were under anything threat because the Steelers outside of that first drive really could not move the football as their season ends and the Houston Texas takes on the New England Patriots on Sunday. Oh yeah, I am your favorite un. That is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree. A former Pro Bowler and an All Pro, he's Chad Oo Cinco Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, every subscriber matters. You matter. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by Laportier and you cannot find it in a state or city near you, head to laportiercognac.com to order your bottle. We have the OG which is the 750, but now we have the Junior in the 375. Same great quality, same great taste, same smoothness. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go check out my media company, all of its platform, Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84 with that link spin in the chat, Tickets for our live super bowl show in San Francisco are on sale now that link is pinned in the chat. The show will be Thursday night, February 5th at the Earps Theater in San Francisco. Show out Bay. Show out. Come out. Support your boy Uncle Nocho and the Nightcap family. It's gonna be a lot of fun and we're so happy to announce our special Guys Night Out, a live stream tomorrow night from New York City in partnership with Netflix. Ahead of the RIP the premiere and Red Carpet, we will be streaming live with some of our friends from our special party and then heading over to the red carpet. So make sure you tune in for that tomorrow. Again, thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as the Pittsburgh Steelers season comes to an end. Thanks to the Houston Texans by the score of 30 to 6 6. It was bad. The Steelers only had 175 total yards where the Texans had over 400. I'm Unc, he's Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow night live streaming from the premiere. Peace. Sam.