Nightcap Hour 2: Ole Miss RB Kewan Lacy joins NIGHTCAP + NFL FINES Amon-Ra St. Brown + Tyreek Hill CHANGES bio to UNEMPLOYED + T.O. comes to AJ Browns DEFENSE

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2, November 16, 2025

Host: Shannon Sharpe (Shay), with co-host Chad “Ocho” Johnson
Featured Guests: Johnny Manziel, Kiwan Lacy (Ole Miss RB)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Club Shay Shay: Nightcap" dives into college football’s Heisman debate, celebrates Ole Miss running back Kiwan Lacy’s record-breaking performance, and unpacks major NFL storylines from player fines to Tyreek Hill’s off-field drama. Sharpe and Ocho bring their trademark banter, blending personal stories, football analysis, and candid advice for athletes.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• [02:35 – 07:37] Heisman Conversation & Defensive Standouts
• [12:13 – 22:19] Interview with Kiwan Lacy: Record Night & Path to Ole Miss
• [22:19 – 28:30] NFL Fines: Amon-Ra St. Brown & Daron Payne Incident
• [36:49 – 47:12] Tyreek Hill Changes Bio to ‘Unemployed’ & NFL Trade Talk
• [48:06 – 56:44] Eagles’ Locker Room: Offense Frustrations & T.O.'s Legacy
• [64:02 – 80:39] Sentimental Gifts, Player Stories & Relationship Tangents
• [83:13 – End] Fan Q&A & Rapid-Fire Topics

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1. Heisman Debate & Defensive Standouts

[02:35 – 07:37]

• Shannon Sharpe reflects on unconventional Heisman contenders, highlighting Texas Tech’s Jacob Rodriguez (LB) and comparing him to past dominant defenders like Manti Te'o and Derrick Thomas.
• Johnny Manziel joins to offer his own Heisman insights:

  "He’s had an unbelievable season. One of the best we’ve seen by a linebacker in a long time. It’s an unbelievable story. He probably deserves to be in New York. However... the most outstanding college football player in America is what the award goes to." (03:45)

• Chad “Ocho” Johnson questions whether modern defenders have the same dominance as historic names:

  "That’s a little tough for me, especially from a linebacker... Not that LaVar Arrington, Ray Lewis type era." (04:54)

Memorable Moment:
Manziel shares how coaches sometimes try “to get [guys] every stat in the book” when Heisman buzz is hot, drawing parallels to his own Texas A&M experience.

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2. Kiwan Lacy Ole Miss Interview

[12:13 – 22:19]

On Breaking the Single-Season Rushing TD Record

• Shannon introduces Lacy:

  “Kiwan Lacy joins us, running for a career-high 224 yards, three touchdowns today against Florida... broke the single-season rushing TD record with his 17th TD today.” (12:13)

• Kewan Lacy is modest but excited:

  "It's an honor talking to y’all... It was definitely a dog fight, man. [Florida] came out there to compete." (12:48)

The Game & His Process

• Lacy on staying focused:

  “I try to stay focused on the game. Just take everything after the game.” (13:14)

• Preparation:

  “I was dialed in... My body felt good throughout the week, vibes good, and yeah, came out there and executed.” (13:51)

• Celebration: Family is waiting at home with a surprise (14:47).
• NFL Aspirations:

  "I like Gibbs for sure... Just his explosiveness, and he can just, you know, do anything on the field." (15:28)

• Combine Hopes:

  “It’s gonna be under 4.4 for sure.” (16:10)

Personal Background

• On not getting recruited by Texas schools:

  “They didn’t even offer me.” (17:50)

• Family dynamics:
  His older brother also plays safety at Juco in Texas; the family often splits time to support both sons.

Team Focus

• Looking ahead to the Egg Bowl vs. Mississippi State:

  “They gonna try to ruin y’all’s parade... We just got to come out there, dominate, execute, do what we always do.” (18:39)

Life Outside Football

• Bye week plans:

  “Just like to eat good and chill... especially during a bye week... just did a whole bunch of recovery and just ate good, you know, gained a couple [pounds] back.” (19:29)

• Spot recommendations in Oxford: BBQ joints, soul food, “anything y’all want to eat.” (19:48–20:44)
• Distractions in Oxford?

  “No, we ain’t got no strip club... Just straight ball out here.” (20:58)

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3. NFL Fines: Amon-Ra St. Brown & Player Discipline

[22:19 – 28:30]

• Amon-Ra St. Brown fined $12,172 for hitting Daron Payne’s helmet during a Lions vs. Commanders altercation.
• Daron Payne’s punishment:
  Lost a game check (~$1.1 million) for his response punch.
• Shay & Ocho dissect the NFL’s approach:

  “NFL, you know, they not gonna miss a chance to fine you, especially now that the footage has come out.” – Ocho (23:13)

• Humorous debate erupts over how much money Ocho lost to fines in his career:

  “I celebrated for 11 years straight... what you mean I ain’t lost 1.1?” (24:31)
  “You ain’t lost no 1.1 in no one year!” – Shay (24:24)

Insight:
Fines are both discipline and control—it’s the “one thing they know they can control [players] by doing.” (25:10)

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4. Tyreek Hill “Unemployed” Bio & NFL Business Moves

[36:49 – 47:27]

• Tyreek Hill updates his Instagram bio to "Unemployed," sparking speculation about his future as rumors swirl about the Dolphins parting ways.
• Shay:

  “The Dolphins will probably be happy to trade Tyreek next season, but I don’t think you’re going to be able to get [value] because they know he’s coming off an injury.” (36:49)

• Ocho:

  “Even if they wanted to, I don’t think they would let him go... If they didn’t want to let Jalen Waddle go, they definitely won’t give what they wanted for Tyreek Hill.” (37:53)

• Hypothetical GM negotiation:
  Shay challenges Ocho—would he pay Hill $30 million/year off an extensive injury?
  • Ocho: “Absolutely... Still talking about the most explosive.” (41:14)
  • Shay: “I’m not paying no wide receiver $30 million coming off knee surgery. Oh, hell no.” (41:21)

Notable banter:

“Both legs decapitated, I wouldn’t care, man, I’m giving you this... 25, 30.” – Ocho (43:27)

• Discussion on player leverage via social media (posting training videos, etc. as “proof of recovery”).

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5. Eagles Locker Room: Pass Game Issues & T.O. Legacy

[48:06 – 56:44]

• Report: Multiple Eagles offensive players are frustrated with Jalen Hurts’ unwillingness to throw into tight windows vs. zone.
• Ocho:

  “Them boys frustrated because they 30th in pass attempts… most important thing people are going to look at is that record. What’s their record?” (49:01)

• Shay:
  “He’s not trusting to throw the ball... as a receiver #1, you want to be involved.” (50:33, 54:34)
• T.O. reference:

  “Until we see AJ Brown pacing up and down the sideline behind Jalen Hurts like T.O. was doing Donovan McNabb… I think Eagles will be fine.” (55:10)

• Key quote for WRs’ mentality:

  “That’s like being… Just let me know you want me. Come on!” – Ocho (56:44)

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6. Sentimentality, Gifts & NFL Relationships

[64:02 – 80:39]

• Warm, hilarious conversation about thoughtful gifts, with stories about birthday surprises, Bibles, and home-cooked meals.
• Shay:

  “My brother gave me this Bible for my 30th, probably one of my most prized possessions.” (69:41)

• Ocho on birthdays:

  “I don’t really celebrate my birthday… I love to just say a prayer and see another year.” (65:50)

• Banter about old relationships, holding onto sentimental objects, and “return on investment” of spending in relationships.

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7. Fan Q&A & Lighthearted Closing

[83:13 – End]

• Soccer fans: Ocho lists top three rivalry atmospheres—Boca Juniors/River Plate, Celtic/Rangers, El Clasico.
• Respect for HBCU football, shout-outs to John C. Smith and Albany State.
• Banter on communion snacks, birthday shout-outs, comparing Ohio State’s strength, and Steelers vs. Bengals predictions.
• Uplifting advice segment closes out:

  “The most important gift you can get is opening the eyes, putting your feet on the floor, and thanking [God] for allowing you to see another day... Sunshine follows rain.” – Shay (91:18)

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Notable Quotes

• “It was a dog fight, man. [Florida] came out there to compete.” – Kiwan Lacy (13:03)
• “I’m giving you this…25, 30 [million]. Both legs decapitated? I’d still pay.” – Ocho (43:27)
• “They always see the second person who throw a punch.” – Ocho (23:45)
• “That name is still just as strong as it was in 2005. I ain’t caught nan ball, y’all, but they don’t get it.” – Ocho (28:16)
• “That’s like being… Just let me know you want me.” – Ocho (56:44)
• “I want to be remembered as a good father, a good son, a good brother and a good friend. That’s it.” – Shay (92:10)

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode is classic “Club Shay Shay”: lively, insightful, and unfiltered. Expect real talk about player experience—whether it’s on-field performance, locker room dynamics, career financials, or the motivations behind athlete behavior. Both Sharpe and Ocho thread humor and nostalgia with analysis, ensuring every segment is both fun and football-smart.

Ideal for listeners who love:

• Inside-the-locker-room vibes
• Unpolished, genuine takes
• Football talk blended with personal anecdotes
• Real-time current events and locker room culture

Skip to:

• [12:13] for Kiwan Lacy interview
• [22:19] for NFL fines and player stories
• [36:49] for Tyreek Hill “Unemployed”
• [48:06] for Eagles’ offense & T.O.-era energy

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Episode MVPs

• Kiwan Lacy: For humility in excellence and repping Ole Miss on a record day.
• Ocho: For raw admissions about NFL fines ("celebrating for 11 years straight!") and hilarious birthday stories.
• Shay: For balancing analysis with life advice—both for athletes and the average listener.
• Johnny Manziel: For offering perspective on Heisman voting and sharing personal anecdotes.

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A fully loaded football episode—don’t miss if you want both laughs and sports insight!

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[Johnny Manziel]

Manta Tayo, you compared to that year where he finished second to me, yeah. My first thought, first of all, shout out to him having an unbelievable season. Shout out to Texas Tech and their coach being that damn cool to be like, yo, we're gonna do this for him. That's what someone did for me and Kingsbury did for me. They let me try and take a field goal. They tried to get me. They tried to get me every stat in the book when it got close. I respect that. I think he's having an unbelievable season. One of the best we've seen by a linebacker in a long time. It's an unbelievable story. He probably deserves to be in New York. However, most outstanding college football player in America is what the award goes to. I have a hard time sitting here arguing that he's the best defensive player in the country. I think Caleb Downs is probably a better, a better defensive football player.

[Shay]

From Ohio State.

[Ocho]

He's the real deal.

[Shay]

But listen, for me, the best college, the best player in college football is Jeremiah Smith.

[Ocho]

I, I, I, I, I, I.

[Shay]

If you said the best. If you're saying not the most valuable word goes to the most. You said the best.

[Johnny Manziel]

Most outstanding.

[Shay]

The most outstanding player in college football is Jeremiah.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. But listen, he's played extremely well collectively as a group. You know, the team is doing really well this year. He's been a big part of that defense was, was smothering today. UCF really couldn't get anything going. But he, he's good. No, as, as far as up for the Heisman, that's a little tough. That's a little tough for me, especially from a linebacker. He's had a good season, but he's. I don't I don't see him review him that, that LaVar Arrington type era, that Ray Lewis, you know, type era where you just dominant. A dominant force where people.

[Shay]

Well, he's gonna get there. 97 tackles, nine and a half tackles for loss, a sack, four interception, seven force fumbles, two former recoveries and two touchdowns.

[Ocho]

Yeah, that is that pretty good. Did you just hit the name that compared. Did you just. Did you. Okay, yeah. Difference. There's, there's, there's level, there's levels to it. He's. He's playing well, but like Dominican win.

[Johnny Manziel]

The Heisman and he, and he had one.

[Shay]

Yeah, that's the best. That's the best college player. That's the. Like I said, there have been some. There have been some. Back then defenders didn't really get any consideration because like I said, you go back and look at Derek Thomas's his last year. You go back, look at Derek Thomas's last year and you like. And, and if he had a seat. If somebody had a season like that.

[Ocho]

I believe he wouldn't hire Heisman.

[Shay]

That's.

[Ocho]

That, that's a stretch. That's a stretch. And that's no disrespect to young bull out there, Texas Tech.

[Shay]

Yeah, but I, but you know what, guys? I think he's gonna be there to Ocho. I wouldn't be surprised, Johnny, if he's. If he's in. Considering Texas Tech has never been this high. Texas Tech has not even been on our radar. Even when they had my homes, they were fun to watch because my home might throw for 700.

[Johnny Manziel]

But it's been since Crabtree. Crabtree and Graham Harrell is the last time we've seen him like this.

[Kiwan Lacey]

So.

[Johnny Manziel]

And one thing about the Heisman as well is they're okay with bringing five or six guys who are deserving of the award. And I believe that his story is. Is good enough if he continues to play the way he does to get him deserving to be in New York along with.

[Shay]

Well, he has the best story.

[Johnny Manziel]

Marcel Reed. I don't think Jeremiah Smith will get an invite to the Heisman. I think he'll win the Ballistikov. I think our boy from Texas Tech will win the Benaric or whatever it is for the best.

[Shay]

He definitely win the buckets.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Shay]

Yeah, the buckets and the Gertrude. Hold on, what's the, what's the other. The other defensive player you want to. Chuck McNarck. You had the buckets. He's winning that the Nagurski or what?

[Ocho]

Is it?

[Shay]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Johnny Manziel]

I don't know. I don't like.

[Shay]

He'll probably win that.

[Johnny Manziel]

That trash, huh? I like the defensive side of the ball. That trash.

[Shay]

Huh? Oh. All right Johnny, we go. We got you out of here on that one. Appreciate it guys. Make sure you go subscribe to Johnny's podcast Glory Days. Johnny, congratulations on your aggies pulling it out. 31 30, scoring 31 unanswered points to stay on to unbeaten and keep their playoff college football playoff hopes alive. So Johnny Manziel, thanks for joining us tonight. That's Johnny Football. Make sure you go subscribe and take check out his podcast Glory Days. Appreciate it.

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I turned off news altogether.

[Shay]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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It's the rage bait.

[Ocho]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. If we got clear facts, maybe we.

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Could calm down a little bit.

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[Johnny Manziel]

Appreciate you boys have a good night.

[Shay]

See you next week, bro. Here come, baby. All right, we got a very special guest joining us. Running for A career high 224 yards, three touchdowns today against Florida, he broke Ole Miss single season rushing touchdown record with his 17th touchdown today. He broke a record by 16 held by Quinshon Judkins. Here he is. Kiwan Lacey. Kiwan, how you doing, bro?

[Ocho]

Why were you at. Where were you at?

[Shay]

What? Man, I'm doing amazing, bro.

[Kiwan Lacey]

I'm in the car. I'm waiting on my family, man, to get in the house.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay, okay, man. Hey, hell of a. Hell of a game today, man. Hell of a game. Congratulations on everything too, bruh.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Nah, man, thank y', all, man. It's an honor talking to y'.

[Shay]

All.

[Ocho]

Yeah, most definitely.

[Shay]

I appreciate it, bro. They needed all them yards. Cause Florida gave you everything. It gave y' all everything. Y' all can handle. It was like. I was like, well, damn, old miss. What y' all gonna do? And they just kept giving you the rock and you just kept running.

[Ocho]

Sure.

[Kiwan Lacey]

It was definitely a dog fight, man. They came out there to compete.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, hey. When the game is going on, do they let you know how many yards you have? Were you. Did you realize how many yards you had?

[Kiwan Lacey]

I mean, I can see, you know, like, the. The jumbo tries and stuff like that, but I try to stay focused on the game.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Just take everything after the game.

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[Ocho]

Okay.

[Shay]

I know when what I would try to do is try to get that one big one. I'm like, okay, I got a 50 yarder. So now. So you get that one big run. You like, ooh. Now I could really do something. I can easily get a hundred, 150, 200. You go for 224 today. So how did you feel going into today? Did you know, like, man, today feel like a good day? Could you tell from practice, could you tell the way you felt this morning that you was gonna have this type of day?

[Kiwan Lacey]

You know, I kind of felt it, you know, going throughout the week, you know, I just, you know, was dialed in preparation, getting right. My body feel good throughout the week during practicing, everything and, you know, the. The energy was just right, you know, coming down to walking champs, you know, body's feeling good, vibes good, and. Yeah, came out there and executed.

[Shay]

How you feel now? I mean, that, hey, 31 carries was a lot of carries, a longer 59, but that's a lot. That's a lot. That's a lot of hits. That's a lot of broken tackles. How you feel right now and when will the soreness sit in? Will you feel like, okay, I got to get some treatment tomorrow. I got to go get in the cold tub, sit in the sauna. So how you feel right now and what's your body gonna feel like tomorrow? Pretty good.

[Kiwan Lacey]

You know, I don't have some worst games where my body was banged up same night, but I'm probably feeling tomorrow.

[Shay]

So what you doing with the fam? What you doing with the fam? Y' all going out? Y' all went out to eat? You had celebration.

[Kiwan Lacey]

They got some surprise for me when I get into the house, so we're gonna see what they talking about. I didn't seen the little balloons already, so.

[Shay]

Yeah, I will say, how you. How's the surprise? If you already know what's in there, it can't be the surprise. If you know a Surprise. Is that you don't need a home.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Okay. Okay.

[Shay]

Oh, okay.

[Ocho]

Stay late.

[Shay]

Okay, so now you're gonna go in there like, oh, my God. Oh, thank you. Like you don't know what's going on.

[Kiwan Lacey]

I don't know what's going on.

[Ocho]

Hey, when. Hey, I'm sure you. You obviously. I know a dream of yours is to make it to the NFL. When you look at the running backs in today's NFL, is there anyone that you compare your. Your running style to or somebody that you study, that you enjoy watching that's playing in today's game?

[Kiwan Lacey]

Most definitely. I like Gibbs for sure. He's one of my favorite running backs to watch.

[Ocho]

Nice.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Yeah, he'd probably be my most favorite. Just his explosiveness, and he can just, you know, do anything on the field.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, he nice.

[Shay]

Well, hey, ke1, you. You got that kind of. You got them kind of kids. I mean, he got them after. I mean, he got that. He got that jackpack on. I'm trying to get right, man.

[Kiwan Lacey]

I'm gonna catch them.

[Ocho]

I like it. I like it.

[Shay]

But you look like you a little bit bigger than he is. Like. Like he. Like 200, maybe a little less. How about your weight?

[Kiwan Lacey]

Like 200 on a good day.

[Shay]

Oh, 200 on a good day. Okay, so. Okay. Okay. So when you go to the combine, what can we expect? We expect 4, 3, 4 1. 4 3.

[Kiwan Lacey]

You know, it's gonna be. It's gonna be under 4, 4 for sure.

[Ocho]

Okay. Yeah, we're gonna see.

[Shay]

So let me ask you this. What's your pitch? How you. Okay, president, alumni, booster. They come to you, and it's a key one. We want you to go make a pitch to make sure Lane stays at Ole Miss. What you gonna tell you what I'm gonna tell him?

[Kiwan Lacey]

I think he gonna stay regardless, man. He love you here. We all love it here. I can influence it. But.

[Shay]

Yeah. So what's so after. So after a ball game, what's a typical night? You have your family in town. How often do your family come. Do they come to all the home games? How often do your family come up.

[Kiwan Lacey]

To most of the games? For the most part, but I got an older brother, he's in juco back in Texas, so they just flip flop around.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Kiwan Lacey]

See what Fitting. He played safety there. They're going into the. They just won, so they're going to the championship next week.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's dope.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Strong safety and free safety.

[Ocho]

Okay, so you.

[Shay]

You try. You try to. You try to get old, Mr. Bring him in next year.

[Kiwan Lacey]

We're gonna be together real soon.

[Ocho]

I like it.

[Shay]

Y' all gonna be together real soon.

[Ocho]

I like it.

[Shay]

Okay, that's what's up. I like that. So where were you? Where you originally from?

[Kiwan Lacey]

Born in Tyler, Texas, but I grew up all around Dallas, and I was in school in Lancaster. That's close to, like, Duncanville. DeSoto.

[Shay]

Okay.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Yes, sir.

[Shay]

Okay. I'm. How you. How you. How they let you get out of Texas?

[Kiwan Lacey]

I don't know. They ain't even offer me.

[Shay]

They offer you nothing.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Smu, tcu. But I ain't never really had Texas, so.

[Shay]

Right, so you have Texas. Texas A. M. For sure.

[Kiwan Lacey]

But, you know.

[Shay]

You want to get out of. You want to get out.

[Kiwan Lacey]

They just had their running backs already on the board, I guess.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Shay]

Okay. Well, it looks like you made the right decision. Your. Oh, Your team is 10 and 1. Number seven in the country. Great chance. You got one game now. You know, the Egg Bowl. You know, Mississippi State gonna try to ruin y' all parade. Y' all got a parade, and they gonna try to rain on it. They're gonna try to snow on it. They're gonna try to hail on it. They're gonna have a big old storm coming through. They try to mess your parade up. How do you make sure you guys stay focused and don't let Mississippi State ruin you guys? You, you, and you guys?

[Kiwan Lacey]

I'm just coming with the right mentality. You know, we got a bye week, so just get. Take care of our bodies. Then when we get back, just, you know, everybody's just dialing in, having the right mindset. Just go 1 and O and, you know, they gonna. They gonna try to get their best. So we just got to come out there, you know, dominate, execute, dude. Always do.

[Ocho]

Hold on. Y' all on the bye week?

[Kiwan Lacey]

Yeah, we got a bye week after this week. Yeah. So after.

[Shay]

Oh, you about that. You like, hey, you would tell your family, go home. Head up, go home. I gotta act a fool. Y' all see this game I just had?

[Ocho]

That's a good one. That leads me into my next question. If you're on the bye week, what do you like to do outside of football? Like, obviously, when you take a bye week. I mean, for me, when we have a bye week, I literally take a. It's literally a buy. I don't want to see or do or nothing having to do with football. But what you like to do outside of the game, really, I just like.

[Kiwan Lacey]

To eat good and just chill, you know, especially, like, during a Bye week. I just take care of my body. Like our last bye week, I went to LA to meet my agent, Brian Miller, and Cleo and I just did a whole bunch of recovery and just ate good, you know, gained a couple baths.

[Ocho]

There you go. There you go.

[Shay]

Hey, dang. So if I were. If Ocho and I were to come down there, what way we going to eat it? Where you go take it to eat?

[Kiwan Lacey]

All right, man, I got a couple spots for y'. All.

[Shay]

What they got? Soul food. What they got? Neck bone, oxtail, fried catfish.

[Kiwan Lacey]

What they got everything down here. It just depends on what y' all want to eat.

[Ocho]

McDonald's ain't nothing but where you go.

[Shay]

Tell us where you go eat. Man, ain't nobody going no damn Mississippi to go eat no McDonald's. You can get McDonald's anyway.

[Kiwan Lacey]

I go to a couple places on the square. I like bag nine, and it's a barbecue place. That's real good. It's. It's whatever y' all need, man.

[Shay]

Oh, sort of back down. So what they got? So what you gonna get? We're gonna get the ribs. We'll get the weight. Rib tips. We're gonna get Mac and cheese. We're gonna get. They got cornbread, right? Oh, okay. What you want, Ocho? I like. I like. I like them poke ribs. I like Mac and cheese. Baked beans. They got baked beans?

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's Mississippi. They got everything.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Mississippi, man.

[Shay]

Hey, hey, hey, man, don't be taking us to get no hog chitlins. Hog mode now, matter of fact.

[Ocho]

Hey, we going to Mississippi. Hey. Yup. They got strip clubs?

[Kiwan Lacey]

No, we ain't got no strip club.

[Ocho]

No.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Nah, just straight. Straight ball out here.

[Shay]

That. That's the. See, that's how you stay focused. Kiwan, don't let. Don't let him. Don't let it try to get you off the path.

[Ocho]

If I'm gonna go way to Mississippi, I'm want to see, you know, some.

[Shay]

Yeah, I don't think really. I don't really think that's the place to go, if that's what you're trying to see.

[Ocho]

My bad.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Miami or something.

[Shay]

Yeah, there you go. You go to Houston, go to Miami, go to. Go to Atlanta.

[Ocho]

I mean, I'm just thinking about when I was in college, sometimes I needed to take a break. I need to see something different, you know, to. To give myself a. A reset. A mental reset, Bro.

[Shay]

You went to Langston. You went to Langston, Oklahoma.

[Ocho]

We had a strip club.

[Shay]

Ain't nothing personal.

[Ocho]

Strip club. Like, we made it.

[Shay]

Man.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Oxford, really, it's like a low key no where you just lock in and focus on what you want to do.

[Shay]

Yeah, just lock in. You try to lock in, don't you?

[Ocho]

Whatever, man. All right.

[Shay]

Aqy, congratulations on the game. Congratulations on breaking the touchdown Russia record. Stay healthy, enjoy this bye week. And hey, lock in. Cause you know Mississippi State, you know they try to ruin y'.

[Kiwan Lacey]

All. I appreciate y' all for having me, man. It was an honor talking to y'. All.

[Ocho]

Most definitely.

[Shay]

Thank you, man. Tell the family who said hello. All right. Appreciate you, bro. Ocho. The NFL has fined Detroit Lions wide receiver Almond Ross St. Brown $12,172 for smacking the helmet of Washington Commanders defensive tackle to Ron Payne. Payne earned an ejection from Washington 4422 defeat to the Lions and serve a one game suspension for throwing a punch at St. Brown. He shared a video Tuesday on social media that showed St. Brown using an open hand to strike him in the face mask. Immediately after the game, St. Brown said he and Payne had gotten to a little scuffle and exchanged word preceding the moment when Payne punched him. The three time Pro Bowler admitted the mention that he made contact with the lion's helmet. Ocho, are you surprised that the NFL.

[Ocho]

Fine NFL, you know, they, they not gonna miss a chance to find you, especially now that the footage has come out and Daron Payne has shown that Amon Rod did something to him and, and hit him first. So listen, either the, the, the playing field is now even. Both have been punished.

[Shay]

No, I lost more money than 12. How much you think the Ron Payne. How much do Juan Payne lose?

[Ocho]

How much he lost? It wasn't, it wasn't that much.

[Shay]

Probably a quarter of a million.

[Ocho]

Probably. Appeal, they give him half of that back.

[Shay]

Hey, you appeal, he out. The suspension was uphill.

[Ocho]

They get, they get back to him. Hey, but you know, you know your coach always tell you they always see the second person who last minute. They always see the second person who throw a punch every time. Oh, wait. Yeah.

[Shay]

Ojo. He lost the game check 1.1 million.

[Ocho]

He'll get it back.

[Shay]

He makes 19.5. So his game check is 1.1.

[Ocho]

He'll get it back, huh? Another get it back out. You don't have to think of something. Hey, let me tell you something. You want. You talk about that one point. You know how much I lost in fines?

[Shay]

You ain't lost no 1.1 and no one. You a. I don't believe you lost 1.1 total. You might have lost some money, but 1.1.

[Ocho]

I celebrated for 11 years straight. What you mean I ain't lost 1.1.

[Shay]

Oh, them fires cost you 25,000. Do you know how many tough finds you got to celebrate to get? 1.1 million. We looking. I guarantee you ain't get fired. 500,000.

[Ocho]

Hold on. I ain't get fine? Do you really? Hey, you something. Every game for a decade straight and then stop.

[Julian Edelman]

What you mean?

[Ocho]

Come on, man.

[Shay]

How much you think you got? Fine. Don't you.

[Ocho]

I.

[Shay]

If you had to guess, you think it's more than a million?

[Ocho]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And listen, I didn't and did not care. Didn't care. Hey, you know what's funny? When I think about it, too. You know why they find you? You know why they take your money? Because it's the one thing that they know they can control us by doing. You hear me?

[Shay]

They say you was fined 115,000. They said you was fined 30,000 for putting on the MOX umbrella. 40,000 for the hall of Fame jacket. Other stars you didn't get. You got fined, what, 10,000 for the pylon, the golf club. They didn't say how much you got fined for that.

[Ocho]

Way, way more than that because they. They. They. They missing a lot. The sombrero, poncho, me grabbing the goddamn camera. Find the. The bribery with the dollar bill from the referee.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

God damn it. The sign. I remember. Ed. Ed Lover. Not Ed. It is Ed Lover, right? From New York. I pulled out the sign. Remember when. Come on, son. Remember when that was really big. I pulled out the Come on sign. The cardboard. That. That cost me 20,000. Tweeting on the sideline. That cost me 25. I think maybe 50 grand. I tweeted on the sideline, like, dog. It's. It's so much stuff over.

[Shay]

So think about. Think about that. How many fines you got to get to get to get up to a million?

[Ocho]

A lot. That's a lot of money.

[Shay]

In what? In one fail swimming? Cause just imagine, because when you first started playing, you weren't making a million a year. So just imagine if they took a million dollars in one sweep.

[Ocho]

You know what's funny? That the money's changed now. So it's much, much different now, as opposed to.

[Shay]

So you. Let's just say you came in the league, you probably making 300 a year. And they say, you know what, Ocho? We're gonna take 75 of that. You're like, hold on, I'm making 300 you take 75. So that leave me two twist.

[Ocho]

You know what's funny is, is people say, oh, man, you were just giving away money. Oh, man, what you doing? Man, I done got that money. I got fined. I done got that back tenfold now. I don't think. I don't think people understand that was setting up for. For long term, and I got. And people wouldn't understand it. I see people in the chat laughing. Oh, he dumb. They still don't get it. They still don't see the method behind it. They don't even see the program. How could you not see what I was doing? Uncle, I ain't play football in 15. What, 14. How many years it's been 14.

[Shay]

But I don't know when you retired, you retired after I retired in 04. So you had to retire, what, 2011, 2012.

[Ocho]

That's how many years it's been. I ain't good at math.

[Shay]

That'll be. That'll be 14.

[Ocho]

Damn, uncle, it's been a long time.

[Shay]

14 seasons.

[Ocho]

Hey, that.

[Shay]

That.

[Ocho]

That. That name is still just as strong as it was in 2005. Yeah, it wasn't 2005. I ain't caught nan ball, y', all, but they don't get.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Yeah, I.

[Shay]

Look, I. I just. Like I said, I don't believe the NFL would have. Fine. I mean, the fine just coming out now, so. And this was the part that Amon Ra left out. He said they had some words, and he ain't mentioned nothing about. He had slapped him. He mentioned nothing about that he had slapped that man upside his face mask, upside his helmet. He said, we got into a little scuffle, and we exchanged words, but I ain't say anything crazy. That's what he said. Oo. We took him at his word because all we saw was Payne slap him. Ken Law said, nah, he hit him first. I was like, man, Ken Law, you lying. And I definitely. And the Ron Payne, obviously, he did not speak. So with that being said, so we just. You know, we could just go by what the footage was. Then when he showed me the footage, I was like, man, did this AI? Like, nah, I ain't no damn AI. And. But I. I, you know, look, I think this is like, just. Man, just keep. Just keep your hands to yourself. Just keep your hands to yourself. And then everybody. Everybody, look, I understand, you know, words gonna be said as long as don't anybody think crazy. You talking crazy about somebody wife or somebody, kids or something. But, hey, we just gonna keep our hands to ourselves. We all Grown. Out here, we all grown. You ain't got no kids my age, so you ain't gonna be putting your hands on me, so. But I don't think that does anything for the Ron Pan. He. The Ron Payne, considering I just lost a million dollars. A million, Ocho. That's what he's thinking. So. I'm sorry. Pain, man, like I said, you're gonna be all right. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, matter of fact. Hey, you know what? Hey, why go. Hey, I got a text today. Hold on.

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[Ocho]

Let me see if you can see this. Hey, it was dope. Hold on. Make sure I covered. You can see who that is?

[Shay]

I can't see it. Oh, send it to me.

[Ocho]

But anyway, Smitty. Smitty, text me right? Over in Philly. Yeah.

[Shay]

Oh, devonte.

[Ocho]

He sent me. He sent me a video, right? So I'm looking. I'm thinking it's him running routes, and I'm looking at the footage, and I text him back. I say, man, I can't see that, man. That blurry as hell. He said, yeah. Cause I'm watching your old ass clips. He said, he's sitting there watching. He watching some film of some of the routes. I'm assuming the route concepts that they have and the game plan for. For the game tomorrow. Watching some old clips, right? Hey, the footage, dog, is it make me feel so old. Because you could. You can barely see the footage of the one on ones. And the routes I'm running, it was crazy. I'm just like, tell them to send it to you. Hi there. For something.

[Shay]

What they have, they would have to. They would have to burn it and put it on a CD or put it on a format that now that's compatible to the. What we got. Because a lot of stuff, Ocho, I had. Some of the stuff that I had. I had changed over. I had to get it right from bcr, because when I first started, we had vcr, and then they graduated to the cd. So some of the stuff that I had to. I would in literally have to get burned. Like, old footage, old game tapes stuff. I would literally have to get burned to a cd. So.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but that. That was dope. Out the blue. Out the blue, I'm sitting here watching Texas. I'm watching Texas and the Texas Georgia game. And all of a sudden the message come through, and they didn't even say who it was. It's just. It's just the video. I'm like, what the hell? But what you watching? I'm like, who is that? He said, man, fool, that's you I'm watching. So the fact that, the fact that he just sitting there watching film, man, that, that I, that, that was dope to me. That was dope. But there's so many other, you know, people and players he could be watching before they play the Lions tomorrow. And so if Smitty have a goddamn 20 yard day, it's because, it's because of me.

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[Ocho]

I turned off news altogether.

[Shay]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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[Ocho]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts.

[Shay]

Maybe we could calm down a little.

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[Shay]

The Miami Dolphins star wide receiver Tyreek Hill made an unusual update to his Instagram profile on Friday. He'll change this Instagram bio to Unemployed. CBS Sports Jonathan Jones reported Oct. 4 that the dolphins were expected to release Hill before the start of the next league year, which is March of 26. The eight time Pro bowl is currently recovering from season ending knee surgery and has one season left on a three year, $90 million contract that he signed in August of 24. Some think Hill could be channeling former Dallas Maverick GM Nico Hill, who similarly updated his Instagram bio to Unemployed after the team relieved him of his duties on Tuesday. Ocho the Dolphins will probably, probably be happy to trade Tyreek next season, but I don't think you're going to be able to get. Because they know he's coming off an injury. They know you're probably going to release it. That's why I was under the impression that they were going to. They were going to trade him before the deadline. But once he's hurt that.

[Ocho]

Listen, even. Even if one before today line, I don't think they would let him go.

[Odoo Advertiser]

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[Ocho]

I still don't think they would let him go. I just don't. I think they want to keep everybody in house and the pieces that you would need to trade. Listen, if they didn't want to let Jalen Waddle go, if they didn't, if they weren't able to get what they wanted for Jalen Waddle, they definitely won't give what they wanted for Tyree Kill. They definitely weren't. So if anything was going to happen.

[Shay]

But, but Buffalo wanted. Buffalo wanted him. I don't want to trade Jalen Waddle. I don't want to trade Jaylen Waddle to the Bills.

[Ocho]

If you trying to clean house, you clean the house.

[Shay]

No. So let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you think that you think Cincinnati trade T. Higgins to a Baltimore No. Or Pittsburgh. But why not?

[Ocho]

Are you trying to improve. Are you trying to improve your team or not? So why you wor. Hold on. If you trying to improve your team and you're getting what you want, the value you want for the player, why do you care where he's going?

[Shay]

Because I don't want to see him twice a year value that much in the first place. Oo Because I don't. I can't get the. I can't get the value out of him because I don't have the pieces. I don't have Joe Burrow throwing to it. If I had a Joe Burrow, hell yeah. I keep it.

[Ocho]

I like it. Hey, will you put it like that? I understand. I understand. All right.

[Shay]

Yeah. I just can't use it. But look, I mean, there are some things that we kind of solve it. Look, it has not been the same in Miami since what transpired. And it kind of got off to a rough start at the beginning of last year. At the beginning of last year, Ocho, you remember on the way the first game of the season running with the police, the last game of the season, they. He wouldn't go back into the ball game so that we kind of saw where this thing was headed. I thought they were going to move him this offseason. I really did. Based On I said, because it's never going to be the same in that locker room. Given what has transpired with him. They, that, that, that, that. You know, you see a lot of guys, Calais Campbell starting this car and John O. Smith start his car. They can support that. They can get behind you because they're like, okay, the guy was wrong. But when you won't go back into.

[Ocho]

The game because you're los frustrated, not only losing, but they couldn't get him in the ball. Frustrated. Yeah, I understand. I. I totally understand, but I, I don't think, I don't think Ty will be here. I think it's what next year he has a $56 million cap hit, if I'm not mistaken.

[Shay]

No, he gonna either get released. I. You can't trade him because he's injured. Ain't nobody gonna get.

[Ocho]

He might be injured, right. He might be injured. But understanding Tyreek, knowing Tyreek, the way he trains, obviously I, I train with him sometimes in the offseason. I'm knowing that he's going to get back even with him, a player like, of his caliber, with his speed, him coming off injury, even if he's not as fast as he was before he got hurt, he's still gonna be faster than everybody else. Still, even if he loses a step, his losing a step is still faster than everybody else. So he, he. Yes, he's going to be all right for teams that are going to look at it like, huh.

[Shay]

Are we sure? Talk to me. Let me ask you a question. You got a team. You're the general manager.

[Ocho]

Am I, Am I taking a chance on him? So, yes, I'm almost sure.

[Shay]

Sorry, how. At how much a chance you taking? A 30 million dollar chance or 25 million dollar chance? How big a chance?

[Ocho]

Absolutely. My mind. We still talk about. We're still talking about the most explosive.

[Shay]

I don't give a damn who we talking about. I'm not paying no wide receiver, no $30 million coming off, coming off a three ligament surgery. Oh, hell no.

[Ocho]

That one. I am. What do we talk about?

[Shay]

I'm not. I don't care who it is. I don't care what receiver.

[Ocho]

Listen, I know and hold on, hold on, hold on. Especially depending on the team, especially depending on the quarterback. I have. Adding, adding that kind of piece to. Adding that kind of piece to my puzzle offensively, knowing what he can do, the mismatches that he can create.

[Shay]

No, we knew what he could do. Are we sure he's gonna be.

[Ocho]

Because he had ace here.

[Shay]

Oh, no, I'm not saying that. Whoa, whoa. See, you basing on everything saying, well, look what Adrian Peterson did. But how many. How many guys have had knee surgery have come back? It ain't been Adrian Peterson. So what if he comes back? Instead of being Adrian Peterson, he. Trayvon Diggs.

[Ocho]

I don't. I don't like that. I don't like that comparison. I just don't like the comparison. I. I just don't. For some reason.

[Shay]

I gotta be honest.

[Ocho]

I'm just being honest. Listen, also, things build not as tall, a little bit more compact. I feel that his recovery, which is.

[Shay]

Going to require more turquoise. Yeah. Torque on that knee because he's so fast. Because getting in and out of those brakes, that's more torque. That's more down. Centrifugal force.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

Go ahead. Keep on going. Keep going.

[Ocho]

Everybody built different. Everybody recovers different.

[Shay]

I'm not saying he's not going to be all right, but I'm not paying $30 million to see if he's going to be all right. That's all I'm saying. Yes, I would take a chance, but the chance is going to have to be in my wheelhouse.

[Ocho]

What would your wheelhouse be?

[Shay]

I'll give it. I'll get out. It's going to be an incentive based contract.

[Ocho]

Please. I mean. Oh, my bad. Excuse me. Hell no.

[Shay]

That's okay.

[Ocho]

Hell no. We talk about Tyreek Cheetah Hill incentive base.

[Shay]

Yeah. I'm talking about Tyree Cheetah Hill coming off of three ligaments. Three ligaments.

[Ocho]

Got both. Both legs decapitated. I wouldn't care, man. I'm giving you this. 25, 30. If we, if we. We got, we got something. Listen, injuries is a part of the game. I ain't gonna. But I ain't gonna make you suffer much. Now, I still. Listen, I still want you to be able to. To be happy. I want you to be happy. And I want the best you and the best version of you I can get. You know, incentivize. Absolutely not. I'm not gonna disrespect you like that.

[Shay]

No, Ocho, I. I think the thing. I think the thing is how much. How much did the Rams pay Devonte? Was it like 20 million a year?

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[Ocho]

Two. Hey. Too dynamic, man. Too dynamic and understanding what he can do somewhere else.

[Shay]

Now think about this. Here. Devonte. Devonte Adams, 22. They gave Devonte 22, okay. With no injury history.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Shay]

Two year 44. And you said we're gonna. After three ligaments, we're gonna give Tyreek 30 million a year.

[Ocho]

I like that. How old is Tyreek?

[Shay]

He should be 30.

[Ocho]

30.

[Shay]

31. 31. How old? Devonte. Devonte. 32.

[Ocho]

All right, 25. That's my best offer. Hey, 25. That's my best offer. I ain't going no A list. I ain't going no lower than that. I ain't. I'm not going no lower than that. And matter of fact. Hey, Drew. I mean, Tyreek's agent. Drew. Drew Rosenhouse, Huh? I called you the shark. I think the movie Jerry Maguire. What was the name of the movie? The movie wasn't Jerry Maguire. Right. Yeah, That's. That's Drew Rose in the house. He gonna get everything. Hey, he gonna get everything, you know. You know, he. He can. He. He doesn't even have to manipulate. We talk about Tyree Kill. You know, when he comes back, what's going to happen is this is the great thing about social media this is the great thing about having social media. When he gets back running and he's able to post the videos and use that as reference and. And Drew can use it as leverage. Look. Look where he's back when he gets on that goddamn track and clocks another 10. 1 in 100, coming off to that same 33 ligament surgery. You talking about.

[Shay]

Do they stop? Do they stop and start in track?

[Johnny Manziel]

We about.

[Ocho]

We talk about showing the speed.

[Shay]

In line, but I want to see him run the speed cuts.

[Ocho]

We're gonna film all that. We're gonna make sure we film all that. We're gonna make sure we film all that. And obviously, what's going to happen is you want to put the food. Yeah. What you want to do is you want to show proof that you're okay. And when you show the proof that you're okay and you put it on social media and the world can see it, boom. Now everybody mama gonna be clamoring. Well, hell, he done bounced back from that surgery.

[Shay]

I might be able to do something I might be able to do something about somewhere between.

[Ocho]

15, 18.

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What?

[Ocho]

To who? To Tyree, man, I block your damn number, man. You play with us like that, man.

[Shay]

Okay. Hey.

[Ocho]

Hey. Oh, God. Hey. I hang up on you so fast. Hello. How you doing? How you doing? Yeah. How much you talking? How much you talking? Just say the number.

[Shay]

I'm looking at. I'm thinking about. I can get you at 15 with some incentives.

[Ocho]

I can get you incentive based. Nah, we're gonna do that. Hey, but. But let me tell you. Let me tell you what, man. Me and my client, we're gonna sit down and talk about it and we'll call you back. All right? Bet.

[Shay]

All right.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

Appreciate it.

[Ocho]

And now when I hang up, I'm gonna block that number. Don't. Don't even play with us like that. We got, we got, we got, we got 30 other teams, 30 other teams that can use our services. That's not gonna play with us like that.

[Shay]

What teams? Okay, you go to Carolina. What you gonna do with Carolina?

[Ocho]

Bryce Young. Yeah, but do you. What do you not see what we doing without a Tyree kill? And you add a Tyree kill to that office over there in Carolina with T. Mac. Huh? Hunter Winfro, Jimmy Horn.

[Shay]

I saw that.

[Ocho]

Huh? Do you really want to do that? Because the nfc.

[Shay]

The NFC I do will go through.

[Ocho]

Charlotte if we do that. Don't. Don't play that game. Don't do that. Okay. Okay. Yeah, but don't get me started.

[Shay]

All right? Y' all remember this conversation started by my.

[Ocho]

My Panthers now.

[Shay]

Yeah. Okay. Another day, another report coming out of the Eagles locker room. This time it's for Diana Rossini of the Athletic. After asking people inside the Eagles building, it was explained that multiple offensive players have grown frustrated with Jalen hurts approach this season, particularly against zone coverage. They believe he's become too heavy to in tight windows, leave it leaning on check downs or scramble instead of trusting what's open downfield. Philly ranks 30th in pass attempts. The result? Pass catchers have become disinterested. Any top receivers I've covered in this league have said the same thing. They spend hours getting open. When the ball doesn't come their way, frustration follows. It's a talented offense that knows it's underperforming. This isn't just Brown vetting. The whole unit wants more trust, more communication, and maybe a little more edge from its leader, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey. Them boys frustrated, baby. Hey, listen. Them boys frustrated because they. 30th and what? What? 30th and what?

[Shay]

30Th.

[Ocho]

Okay, 30th in past attempts. How many teams in the NFL? Ah, 32.

[Shay]

32.

[Ocho]

They're 30. The past tense. But the most important thing, the most important thing that people are going to look at is that record. What's their record? So if, if any point. So right now, being 30th in past attempts is not affecting the most important, the most important stat, the win column. You're still getting wins, but what I think is you're going to have to evolve as the season continues to go on. You're going to have to get better in certain areas as a 72.

[Shay]

72, my bad.

[Ocho]

Like I was saying, they're going to have to get better in certain areas. As you play better teams, as you get to the playoffs, what you've done in the regular season is not going to work. They're going to have to be a healthy balance. There hasn't been a healthy balance because not only is 30s and pass attempts, the run game is not what it, not what it once was. You are being carried by your defense. You're being carried by your defense. So at some point, I'm not sure when there's a lot of football left to be played, but at some point the offense is going to have to hit need to carry his load, carry his low. Because right now the defense is doing all the carrying. The defense is doing all the carrying. So I, I, I like Jaylen Hurst. I like what he does with the ball. He doesn't take many chances. Matter of fact, hell, he don't take any. He don't take any.

[Shay]

That's why they're frustrated because that's why they're frustrated because he's not trusting to throw the ball. There's like, if it's zone coverage, if it's not wide open, you're not throwing the football.

[Ocho]

Instead of, especially with those zone coverages. When it comes to those zone coverages, he has to have unbelievable anticipatory skills and really rely and trusted receivers to be in the right place every time to run through those zones and being able to put them there before, before you come out your break, that ball got to be gone. It got to be going. And, and maybe that's just not who we, maybe that's not who he is. Maybe it's not. Because at this point in juncture in your career, if you're not doing it now, you probably never will.

[Shay]

It is going to be hard for the simple fact. I mean, he grew up.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Shay]

Nick Saban. And one thing Nick Saban's.

[Ocho]

What?

[Shay]

Yeah, don't turn the ball over. And maybe he's become overly. Because what, what do we say about, what do we always say about Jalen Hurts.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shay]

Takes care of the football. He does harm's way. Football in harm's way. Well, in order to be prolific as an offense of throwing the football, you just have to put the ball in harm's way. Sometimes you just do. You just do Ocho. Sometimes to get to the other side, you gotta call dangerous waters. Yeah, you just do Ojo. You just Do. And so, you know, look, I. I've never not understood what AJ was saying. What I was saying is that when you say it publicly and you're having team success, people will look at you a certain type of way. They're not going to hear that, man. Look, I want to help the offense. This offense could be so much better. They're going to say, you just complaining, right? Just be content. You making your money and you're seven and two. But that's not what that. And AJ Is saying, look, if we were losing, that wouldn't be okay. And I know this offense can be so much more. Yeah, you heard Smitty on the sideline. Just.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, he did. He did. He did. He did. Yeah.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know what? I think they're gonna be all right. I think they're gonna be all right still. I know they're frustrated. I know Devonte is probably frustrated. We've heard aj, aj, his gripes, but.

[Shay]

They got different, totally different personalities.

[Ocho]

Personalities.

[Johnny Manziel]

But.

[Ocho]

But they winning. They winning. And listen, I know Saquon is frustrated, but knowing who he is and knowing his character and the type of player he is, he's not one of those to come out publicly and say anything. So he gonna keep chopping. He gonna keep chopping wood. At some point, that wood is gonna break. When he's gonna have that game? I don't know when, but it's gonna be a big one. Hell, it might be this week. I know it's. I know it's a big game against the Lion.

[Shay]

Oh. Cause they're gonna put points on the board.

[Ocho]

Now.

[Shay]

They playing the Lions because you.

[Ocho]

Will look up, the goddamn Lions be up goddamn 28 0. You see and you see how Seattle looked last week. You see how the Rams look last week? There's a good chance that this is the game where the Eagles offense has to open up. Goddamn, Petula. Hey, you bet, man. Listen, I don't know what. I don't know what playbook you've been using, but you're gonna have to open that up this week. You have to open up tomorrow. You're gonna have to. Unless the Eagles defense is playing that goddamn well, it's able to stifle Gibbs and Montgomery, and you're not in. They not. They're able to stop JMO and St. Brown. Listen, some got to give. You ain't gonna be able to stop everything. You ain't gonna be able to stop everything. So it's going to be a good game. I'm excited, you know, for the Eagles to see what they do. To me, that might be the best game tomorrow outside of the Bengals and Steelers.

[Shay]

And, you know, what you call them is Dan Campbell's call. That's right now. So, you know, very aggressive.

[Ocho]

Hey, anytime they get across the 50, let's say 40 in, that's four down territory for the 40, and that's. That's four down territory.

[Shay]

Especially if it's. If. If it's. If it's probably three yards or less. Absolutely.

[Ocho]

Yeah. They don't.

[Shay]

Absolutely. To say he empathizes with AJ As a receiver and has provided not so subtle hints about his frustration with the state of the offense. If you're in an offense, especially with AJ Being receiver number one, you want to be involved in the offense. I don't blame him. That's an offensive coordinator thing. I truly understand where he's coming from because you have to utilize the guy based on his skill set.

[Ocho]

I like that. I listen and miss and that. That's coming from the greatest receiver of all time. You know, one of. One of my. My guy. And you know how. How Tio was. He was not shy about voicing his frustrations when he's not used correctly. Hey, he don't play, he gonna. He gonna let you know. Matter of fact, he gonna let you know on the field. Now, I think the Eagles will be fine until we see AJ Brown pacing up and down this. Pacing up and down the sideline behind Jalen Hurst like Tio was doing Donovan McNabb back in the day. You remember that, huh? That was so funny. That was so funny. But I. I think they're going to be fine. I'm not sure how much freedom Jalen hurts. Has to go on his own script even when the players are called, and being able to change stuff at the line of scrimmage based on what he sees from coverage. But to me, with a talent, a top five talent receiver, and that, I have an eight, if I had A.J. brown and I come to the line and I see any. Any type of man to man, I'm checking, I'm coming out of it. And matter of fact, it could just be between me and him. Small hand signals, a tap of the face mask, a. A tap of the helmet just to get you in rhythm, just to get you to touch the ball early. Seeing games where A.J. brown ain't touching the ball to the goddamn third and fourth quarter, man, what the. Come on, man.

[Shay]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Ocho]

Come on, man.

[Shay]

Like that.

[Ocho]

Come on now. Come on now. I understand y' all winning and everything. But come on, now. I mean, for those in the chat that. That have. Maybe if you play football at. At any level, it doesn't have to be the NFL, but just being a part of the game, just being. Just. Just let me know you want me, you know, like, come on. Don't.

[Shay]

Come on.

[Ocho]

Why you laughing? I'm for real. That's like. That's like being. That's like being.

[Shay]

It is. It's tough, though, Ocho. It's. It's tough. It's. It's. Look, I played in the system that, you know, Mike was aggressive, but after we lost that game to Jacksonville in the playoffs, it was a different mindset. Now, if the game dictated, you know, a team. This is a team. We need to score. We got to score 30. We got to match them. Okay, I get it. But more times than not, we gonna start out running the football. We're gonna start out running the football. And y'. All. I don't know why they get mad. Oh, why they get mad at us, man? Y' all just don't, like. Hurts. I just see his. His. His quarterback that. I mean, his wide receiver is frustrating.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shay]

I mean, I ain't catching no passes. Smitty saying, throw the ball. We better than I be telling them, throw the football, Jordan, my ladder. Yeah, throw the football. Lane Johnson said we got to be better. He said if I say anything, I'm just gonna be the 18th guy on offense that's saying something about this. So y' all need to talk to them. All we doing is reporting it. I'm sorry, y'. All. Y' all don't want us to report, I guess, you know, got out. It shouldn't have got out about the meeting, and Ocho and I wouldn't have talked about the meeting that they had.

[Ocho]

I got eyes, huh? I played the game. I played the game. I understand. And most people just be like, ah, man, you ain't never won nothing. I'm winning in life. I'm winning life. And, hey, listen, I'm winning.

[Shay]

You are winning your life.

[Ocho]

So I know what it takes. It took me to throw to my best receivers for us to keep. To win the games. Okay, listen, I played with the Bengals. I didn't have an opportunity. I didn't have an opportunity to win. I didn't. Okay? But that does not mean I can't talk about the frustrations that AJ Brown is having and devontae Smith are having on the offense that I see and watch every day despite them winning. It's going to catch up to you. When you play better teams, I want them to win tomorrow. But you're going to see the example on what we're talking about and why we talk about it. When you play an explosive offense like the goddamn Detroit Lions that could put up 40 goddamn points at the blink of an eye.

[Shay]

I'm not an economist, but I know prices are rising. I know it costs more when I go to the. When I go to the grocery store and I buy ish, I know it costs more. I ain't go to. I ain't go to Stanford. I ain't go to Harvard or Yale to be an economist or anything that. But I know what's going on. Just because you didn't win, you played that position, you of all people should know what it's like to play the position, have a level of expectations of being receiver number one, going through a whole week of practice, getting the ball, and then come Sunday, hold on to get two targets.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Yes.

[Shay]

What you want me to do? So what you want me to do? You. You don't allow. That's like allowing. Say, you know what, Mike, Michael Jordan, the Kobe Bryant or Shay, just imagine saying, Shay, we don't want you to shoot the ball until the fourth quarter. Until it's a crunch time. Jordan don't shoot the ball to the fourth quarter. Kobe don't shoot the ball to the fourth quarter. Jokic, Giannis, Anybody? Luca, come on, man. Just because you don't win doesn't mean that you don't. You don't have eyes. Because you of all people should know being receiver number one, the level of frustration that A.J. brown has because he's not getting the targets and he's not being put in position to succeed. So now people looking like, man, AJ Sauce. AJ Watched. AJ Ain't watched. AJ Is not getting the opportunities. Because we've seen two games when they're giving our AJ Brown opportunities. Two games against the Rams. And we saw the other game where he had 4 for 120. I forget the game. It was so the Ram. What? No, the one was the Ram. What was the last game? What was the last game that they ended up winning. But that's what, that's what fans try to do. Well, you didn't win nothing. I didn't. But I know what. I know what that guy is going through. You ain't in the locker room. Yeah, you're right. I'm not in that locker room. But I was in a very similar situation, a locker room. And the one thing I can say about athletes, a Lot of them think alike, the greater they are. I give you an indication of how they think.

[Ocho]

As a matter of fact, not only give it a funny thing about it.

[Shay]

He had another Duran. The Vikings. The Vikings is where he had that big. Him and Smitty went off against the Viking. So I. He knows what he can do. He knows what he's capable of. He's a multiple time Pro bowl player and he says, I'm not getting the opportunities. Now, a lot of that is the offensive coordinator calling plays, but a lot of that is that when they call plays, I need my quarterback to have, to have the courage that it's his own coverage to throw that. Smitty and I are going to be where we say we're going to be. And for you to point that out just because you don't win. There are a lot of guys that's on TV didn't win and they talk about football all the time and they make a lot of money.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

Yeah. Giants rookie Cam Scatter Boo showed off his screwed up shoulder joint on live. Ocho, take a look at this.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Broken collarbone. Yeah, it's broken before. And the funny thing about once, you break it once and that, that thing callous up and harden up, you back strong.

[Shay]

It's gonna look like that unless you want to have it. And I don't know if you notice Ocho, but the file bone down. Can you imagine what that feel like? I'm good. Because they troll, they told me, say, well, it's kind of we can file it down. I said, you ain't filing nothing down. The only thing I won't file is toenails.

[Ocho]

Look. Damn. How to make it pop out? Oh, mine does it. Is it this side? I think. Oh, there you go. I can't get it to come up.

[Shay]

Yeah, you. What'd you do? You broke your collarbone?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

Are you separated?

[Ocho]

It didn't get it. It wasn't. It wasn't much though. But I know I can move my.

[Shay]

No, I broke my. I broke mine so. Mine almost broke my skin and so I gotta, I gotta. Yeah, I gotta knock.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I, I whenever, whenever I had to wear that harness. Whenever. Oh, yeah.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I shoot, I only, I only missed that. I think I missed that that one game and I was right back. I was right back the next week.

[Shay]

Well, you, you had to wear a harness. That was your shoulder. You, your shoulder joint. So that might have been your AC joint because that's yours. Collarbone is like here.

[Ocho]

I don't know.

[Shay]

I just actually, top of Your rib cage.

[Ocho]

If I can do. I could do something like this. And this. All this pop it pop way up here.

[Shay]

Yeah. And you put that harness on, you are only able to raise it so.

[Ocho]

I can go back right here. Hey, I'll catch it. I was catching everything with my body.

[Shay]

Jordan woods birthday gift to Cat was his mother's car from his childhood. During the summer, Carl asked if I could drive any car for a day, which one would it be? I answered. His response was, I wouldn't pick anything crazy. I just really love my mom's car she had when I was a kid. So I went on a mission these past months to find the car, shipped it across the country and got it fixed up and was able to surprise him with it for his 30th birthday.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's dope, man. That's live.

[Shay]

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God. That's a.

[Ocho]

That's dope, man. That's dope. That's dope.

[Shay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Cat. Yeah. And Cass, you know, I sat down with Cat about a year and a half ago, and, man, he spoke. Hey. Yes. That's his best friend. He said. He said. He said when my. I went through what I went through with my mom, she was there. That was the most. When I was at my absolute lowest and I didn't know where to turn, she was there. She was the person that I talked to every single day. She was the person that was by my side as a cat. Well, you know what you need to do. You know what you need to do. That's amazing, Jordan. That is a. That was a unbelievable gift. I'm sure Cat really, really appreciate that because he just absolutely adored his mom. That was his best friend. And every time you. You. You know, she passed during COVID with COVID and to like to know what she was going through and him being there every day and see her further and further and further, and she finally transitioned. Man, that's. That's incredible. That's incredible. Ocho, what's the best birthday gift you've ever got?

[Ocho]

Oh, that's a good one, huh? God damn. Hold on. Let me sit back. Let me sit back. See, because I'm glad you asked me that, because I got to think. I got to think when it comes to birthdays, those that I've dated or partners that I've been with, they understand. I. I don't really celebrate my birthday. You hear me? I love. I love to just say a prayer. I'm not into gatherings. I'm not into get togethers. I'm not into that. I love to say a prayer and seeing another year and after that, that. That's.

[Shay]

That. That.

[Ocho]

That's sufficient for me. You know what the best. The best birthday gift was? It was a surprise. Huh? Years. Years ago. Years ago. I was with somebody years ago, and they. They gave. I don't want to do anything. And they lied to me and said, we're going. This is when Obama. I think Obama was in office, and maybe he had just won. And. And they said, we're going to a private dinner, and we got a table to sit with Obama and Michelle. I'm like, oh, for real? He's like, yeah. So you got to be dressed up. You got to be in real something. Something dapping, something nice. You hear me? And so they understood that if you told me what we were doing, I'd be like, nah, man. You know, I don't like to do anything for my birthday. So they had to lie to me and get. That's the only way to get me to go, oh, man, we gonna have dinner with Obamas, man. Well, I put them. Nice little jean, nice little jacket. I'm ready. I said, where's that? Over on the beach. Private. Private.

[Shay]

Man, you know damn well President Obama and Michelle ain't on no beach waiting on your punk ass.

[Ocho]

Not on the beat. The beat, the beach. That's all the rich people go, though, huh, when they have stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why. Okay, that's what I'm thinking, is that. So we pull up. We pull up, and I see cameras. I say, okay, okay. They must really be here. Hey, I get out the car. You heard me. So I get out the car, the camera start taking pictures of me. I'm like, what y' all taking pictures of me for? And some dancers came out of nowhere. Uncle, I'm not talking about. No. I ain't talking about no stripper now. I'm talking about dancers. Like, when you go to.

[Shay]

I thought you're not like that.

[Ocho]

I mean, with the costume. Okay, like, okay, okay. Restaurant that. That has shows or something like that. They come out of nowhere, and I'm like, oh, this is nice. It's professional. This is really nice and long. We. We walk in the building. How about. It's a goddamn surprise to me. I walk in the building, man. Man, I see all my homeboys from Cincinnati in there. Tio sitting there, just. I mean, everybody from Miami. People don't flew in town. I'm like, man, what the hell? And it was a surprise party for Me. And the only way to get me to go was to tell me that it was something important or something, an important event that was happening. Because 1. Ain't no way in hell. Ain't no way. Hell, I was showing up. So that. That was dope. And that was. Yeah, I. I don't want to give a table legs, but you. You know. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was. I mean, that was dope. That was dope. Outside.

[Shay]

I have. I have a couple. Ocho. It's hard to just pinpoint one. Y' all probably have seen this.

[Ocho]

Hey.

[Shay]

I mean. I mean, because when I take pictures, I take pictures with the dogs, and. And so sometimes it comes up. But I had an ex.

[Ocho]

That's a good one, huh?

[Shay]

Man, I cry. I cry. I cry like. I cry. I ain't gonna lie.

[Ocho]

Hey, boy, that's a good one.

[Shay]

Boy, I cried like a baby.

[Ocho]

That's a good one.

[Shay]

That is. This is. This is my most. That's probably my. Probably one of my most prized possessions. My brother gave me this bible for my 30.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on. Hold that Bible up again. But I like that. But that's. Oh, that's. That's the Old Testament, New Testament, King James Version.

[Shay]

Version. Oh, Bibles come with. You can't get a Bible with just.

[Ocho]

You need that thing. Look. It look kind of brand new. Be that old now. Oh, you need to open. Open that thing up.

[Shay]

And I had a. I had a. A next. Get me a Bible for my 30th birthday. My sister.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Shay]

At the church. It was in a box for my 30th birthday. So how I'm. So. This Bible is 22 years old. The other one is 27 years old. And this picture is.

[Ocho]

Hey, hold on. Why you got the Bible in your head? Do me a favor real quick. Go to Proverbs 11:25. Real quick. Yeah. Proverbs 11:25. This is something that I live by.

[Shay]

You live by. I'm not gonna pay.

[Ocho]

Don't worry about it. But I'mma pay your money. Just read Proverbs 11:20.

[Shay]

Wait.

[Ocho]

Huh? Soon as you read this.

[Shay]

All right.

[Ocho]

Proverbs in the middle. Huh?

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know. You know, I was a junior deacon. I know exactly. I. I knew exactly where Proverbs at.

[Shay]

What you say?

[Ocho]

11:25. Proverbs, chapter 11, verse 25. The writing on that too small. I only got one eye. Damn.

[Shay]

So when you say Proverbs 11:25. Proverbs 11:25. A generous man will prosper he who refuses others will himself be refreshed.

[Ocho]

That. Hey, if you, if you notice every time I leave. Well, I, I don't stop. I done stop doing it now, cuz, you know. No, no, I mean, people have been using it against me. But when I tip, if you, if you always look at anytime I ever tip, I always put Proverbs 11:25 at the top of it. Always. Yeah, I, I, I would just think about that. See. So that therefore lets you know I'm a, I'm a generous person. You gonna.

[Shay]

Just leave it on the, Just leave it when I see you.

[Kiwan Lacey]

Hey, wait.

[Ocho]

I'm so excited for. Hey, Chat. Chad. I'm so excited for football tomorrow, man.

[Shay]

But I, but, but Ocho, I don't know how you are, but if I get something, if somebody give me stuff, I don't, I don't throw it up in people's face, but I've basically every gift that I've gotten right from an ex. I still. All of them.

[Ocho]

Hey, Unc, sometimes. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Sometimes, Sometimes you gotta let that bad mojo go. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes it's not given. In, in, in, in, in, in. In good sense. I'm, I'm just. Sometimes it's not giving a good sense. It's only given because they've received and because they received and okay, I've received. Now I have to give, you know, And I, I just don't like the way that sit. So sometimes certain things. But things don't end the way you think they should end. There's certain things you have to cleanse yourself from.

[Shay]

Yeah, I just, I'm just, I'm.

[Ocho]

Yeah, when you let go, you gotta.

[Shay]

You gotta let go. Sentimental. I think sentimental is I did. My sister threw away and I got married.

[Ocho]

Thank you, sis. Thank you, sis. Thank you.

[Shay]

I had Ocho, I had. She threw him away. Probably about 90, probably about 93. But I had every love letter every girl had written me from the time I was about fourth grade until the time I was in.

[Ocho]

Why you holding on to that stuff? Oh, when it's, when it, Listen, when it's time.

[Shay]

Oh, I have some other things as well.

[Ocho]

Some when. Hey, listen, she got rid of all.

[Shay]

My stuff that wasn't hers to get rid of.

[Ocho]

You moving forward. When you're moving forward in life, you can't move forward in life holding on to old baggage.

[Shay]

I don't know where the stuff is. I just, I haven't thrown it away. Now, maybe my sister might have thrown it Away. Some of the stuff is thrown away. But like, but I kept the Bible, okay?

[Ocho]

Now the Bible's okay, but gifts and materialistic stuff and, and, and photos and, and, and letters.

[Shay]

So if, if your ex gave you, gave you a watch or a necklace.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I don't want that. I don't want nothing that remember me or you that remind me of you. Absolutely not. And probably if you bought me a gift, it was, it was with my goddamn money anyway. Hell no, I'm not keep, I'm not keeping Nathaniel.

[Shay]

No. See got the card. This card says my brother gave me this card. But I'm going through this Bible. This Bible said like 93. I got a call spank and see. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It got, it got my name on end of Broncos. So. But no, this, this, this, this, this page.

[Ocho]

Hey, now listen, Hey.

[Shay]

I mean I haven't, I really. I, I like I said no.

[Ocho]

I just paint that pain was nice.

[Shay]

I don't wear, but I just make, I just make sure I've never wore, I've never worn anything that, that someone has given me when I'm, when I'm with someone else. I would never do that. But I don't have any, I don't have any jewelry. I mean nobody's buying me that we.

[Ocho]

Would, that we would wear honestly. But the funny thing about it, there's certain, I call it dainty. There's certain dainty stuff that's thoughtful that, that people can get. The only person that has bought me jewelry is my daughter. One of my daughters. They made me a bracelet. They made me a bracelet with all the kids names on it. It wasn't anything expensive. You know, the leather braces with the names and you know, you, you turn them and the spell the names out, that, that was really dope that. But man, you know, the stuff, you know, women have boarding us and I, I can say this collectively that important us throughout the years, man, ain't ain't with their money, it's with our money, you know, so whatever we get, you give it away. Because when I'm. Hey, when I'm hey, no no, no.

[Shay]

No, I, I will. I, I can honestly say because it wasn't until I probably got into my. Probably one time before I got into my 40s, that someone actually brought a gift that, in which they didn't use my money prior to that. Every time I had gotten a Christmas gift, it's always birthday gift, it was with my money. And so the reason why that picture and the Bible Meant so much to me is because that was really one of the first times. That Bible was the first time that I had ever, ever. And I wasn't. But that was the first time at 30 years of age that I had actually gotten a gift that somebody gave me. You know, I'm talking about a family member. That wasn't my money. And so it meant. It meant that much to me. That painting means so much because the person.

[Ocho]

She didn't.

[Shay]

I didn't.

[Ocho]

That pain was a real deal.

[Shay]

And I. I guess from just observing me and hear me talk about my brother, hear me talking about my grandmother, she's like that, what can I do now? The. Now the way she did it, Ocho, is that me and my brother, obviously, that's the picture of us standing. When I went to the hall. That picture is a picture that I have over my visor. So she had taken a photo of it without me knowing and. And placed it like that, like me and my brother standing there and my grandmother is over. So. Yeah, that's very, very thoughtful. That meant that. That meant the world to me. That. That picture. I mean, that's. That. That's. And so that's what I thought when I thought about what Jordan did for.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shay]

Jordan woods, what she did. That. That's a. That's. That's a lot of thought. That's a lot of thought. I fall for like that sometimes. I try to be. You thoughtful like that, Ocho. No, you not. You give up money. You give money. I know you.

[Ocho]

I'm real thoughtful. I am. I am. They let me. Let me in. Just. I mean, I'm in a different space now. I'm in a different space.

[Shay]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Back on. On the good times, the old times, the times of playing the field, you know, the times of cutting the grass. And I. I always think back and think about all the money I've spent, right? And I never, ever, ever. And this is for dudes that's spending money crazy now and leading with money. You never get a return on that investment. You get nothing at all. I think I think about that heavy now, especially as I'm older now. I'm like, well, God damn, you think.

[Shay]

About the money that you spent on something. All the money that you spent, you.

[Ocho]

You get nothing back. Like, think about it. And I'm not saying it's in a bad way. It just. You just don't. You just don't. And at some point it ends, and then they just go on to the next person and then they spinning, you know, that the Cycle continues to repeat itself.

[Shay]

Yeah, I don't. And I get it, though. I just don't. I just.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you have to, because that's the reality of it. We get no return.

[Shay]

But don't you. You'll make yourself sick, man.

[Ocho]

Sick. I'm. I'm good. I'm good now because I. I found someone. I'm getting return on my investment now. There's a difference.

[Shay]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shay]

I'm happy for you, bro. I'm happy.

[Ocho]

Hey. Nothing, you know. Oh, damn. My lights went out. But anyway. Oh, just now. I mean, you know, my little. What you call these little things right here? My little. My little portable lights. Yeah. So I'm not so dark.

[Johnny Manziel]

Okay.

[Shay]

Well, you need spotlight. No, but it's. It's. You know, I think I need to be. I just get you what you want.

[Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Shay]

That's what you. That's what. That's what you do.

[Ocho]

I do. I do, I do. I do. Oh, listen. Hey, listen. When we good. Oh, you can. Oh, you could. Oh, you could What? I don't play. I don't play. I don't play like that, babe, when you. When you're moving funny and I. And I know it ain't right. What?

[Shay]

But. But by that time, what? Your UB done gave up a bunch.

[Ocho]

Really? Nah. No, not really. Hey, I'm detailed, hear me? I'm like Inspector Gadget. I'm like Colombo. I'm like Kojak. I done played the game so long, whenever you try to play something I've been playing 20 years ago, I'm like.

[Shay]

You wrote the handbook on that, doing I.

[Ocho]

You. I used to be the other guy, and she used to pull that move. So how you think you're gonna pull it on me? I did this 20 years ago, but. Okay, I'm finna play stupid. Let me tell you. I love playing stupid. Oh, I love it. Don't worry about it. Boom. We could both play this game.

[Shay]

No, you in a good place. I met you people. She was great. We made the fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were great.

[Ocho]

Baby.

[Shay]

But I know, look, I. I ain't trying to. But. But the other situation. She was great. She was great. She was great to me. Oh, yeah, yeah. So she know, hey, if I. If. If I. If I. If I saw some way somewhere, I give a hug and say, hey, you know, I missed the block and keep it moving. Oh, that's what I do. I ain't no reminiscing about anything, but I. I'm will always be respectful to your people because they.

[Ocho]

My dog, man. That's my dog. That's my dog.

[Shay]

Yeah, so. All right, it's time to get you out of here on this. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Man, why you got all them chrome heart wings? And you won't break my chat. Y' all see that? Hey, chat. Y' all see that man? That man got all them chrome heart rings and won't break me off my money. Chad. What y' all think about that?

[Ocho]

Ain't no chrome heart. These from the vintage store. You heard me.

[Shay]

My money vintage, too. It's been a long time since you paid me.

[Ocho]

I was trying to be like ozzy Osborne. These 80s cost like. These cost like 15 a piece. Eddie's cheap. Little cheap.

[Shay]

I can't even get that. I can't even get. I can't even get nothing. Philly talk Pa. Ocho. I know you saw my boy Andrew Marsh today from Michigan 12. Catches a buck 89 as a freshman. That boy going to the league. OSU. We coming. El Pray. Ocho, where have the top three places you visited to watch soccer match?

[Ocho]

I'm so glad you asked that.

[Shay]

Coach Tellis helped you find the love for the game.

[Ocho]

So glad you asked that. Top three places. Boca Juniors, River, Argentina, Celtic, Rangers. Game. Unbelievable Derby. Okay. And obviously my top. Well, actually, El Clasico is number three. Boca Juniors river is 1. Celtic, Rangers, 2. El Classico, Real Madrid, Barcelona is 3. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. No sporting event in this world tops those three. If you. If I'm not sure if anybody. I don't know how many. How many people in here watch soccer or know about rivalries, but. Unbelievable. Those are the top three. Top three places. I've been.

[Shay]

Just prime time RP to my cousin Kenny Easley. See how great hall of fame number 306. 306. Lift up, up in prayer. Yes. I think Kenny was the 1985 Defensive Player of the year, but he passed away. Tremendous safety for the Seahawks. Went into the Hall. I think he went in. Didn't he go in 2017, Ash? I think it was 27. I think he went in 2017. I don't remember off the top of my head, but he was. He was special. Fletch. Unc eating communion. Hey, while you bull, y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Shay]

I used to get. Hey, them saltines and the. That great juice that little crackers have. Morgan David Wine. That was the wine. Yeah, Them crackers were. Hey, man. Hey. And the ones that didn't pass out, me and my Brother just pulled up things. I hand Tony Brown Jr. What's good, fellas. Today's my birthday. Appreciate it if you guys would shout your boy out. Much love, Tony Brown, tbj. Thank you, bro. Thank you for your support. Happy birthday. Hopefully you did something fun. Hopefully, you know, you got someone special in your life or you shared it with family, friends and loved ones. You went out, got your meal, you went someplace, played a game, you know, a top golfer, something. But hopefully you did something to realize, hey, just how special you are. You God blessed you to wake up this morning and you got to see another one because you know, somebody got called home, somebody had an appointment they could not reschedule. Tyson, is Ohio State the best team in the nation? Look, I think Ohio State is really, really good. Have they been tested? No. Is there a chance that they could play and not be tested? Yes, but we'll see. We'll see what, what they do against Michigan. Michigan always gives them a dog fight. Last couple of years, Michigan have beaten them and so it's going to be very, very interesting. But I mean, they won a national championship last year. They haven't lost a game this year. So yes, I think they are the best team, but they probably the team that haven't been tested of the top of the teams that's in the top five or so, they haven't had that scare game. Taz Saleem, y' all think Skip watch Vandy over Dallas this year. No J Dub, Akron Ocho Steelers, Bingers revenge game, no excuses, belt to a Steeler nation. You paid that man.

[Ocho]

That sound good. Because the last time, the last time we played the played the Steelers, we won. You know that, right? We won that game. So we probably gonna go into Hines Field. Wait a minute. It's not Hines Field. I forgot. Matter of fact, it's Hines Field to me. We going into Hines Field. We gonna win again. We gonna win again. Burrow gonna throw for about. I mean Burrow Flacco gonna throw for 500.

[Shay]

Book it. Okay. Architect Knife TV here to show some love to HBCU football. Congrats to John C. Smith on winning the CIAA championship. Albany State for winning the SIAC championship. Congratulations, guys. Congratulations. John C. Smith, the CIAA and Albany State winning the SIAC to sea act. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, matter of fact, congratulations.

[Ocho]

I was going to say.

[Shay]

Savannah State's in the sic. Sia.

[Ocho]

Congratulations. Congratulations to Florida A M being Alabama State today. And another congratulations to one of the greatest, one of the greatest anticipated fights in boxing today. I don't know if you saw it. Connor Ben defeated Chris Eubank Jr. That was. That was a good fight. That was a really good fight. That was. That was their rematch.

[Shay]

Hold on. Didn't 50 walk or Eubank Jr. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. He did. Yeah. He lost.

[Shay]

He lost.

[Ocho]

It's tied now. They gotta have maybe. I'm not sure if they're gonna do it.

[Shay]

They have a rematch.

[Ocho]

They need to do a trilogy.

[Shay]

Okay, Big dog. Jayla up for Nightcapper Club. Shay, we need you to interview Oz Pearlman, please. Who is that? Is that the Mentalist? The whole.

[Ocho]

What is it again, huh? Who is it?

[Shay]

Huh? He is a mentalist. He be guessing what you thinking.

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Shay]

Okay. No show the judicial system is rigged, the health care system is rigged, and the political system is rigged. How can sports not be manipulated? I love the podcast. Guess what? You still try to get healthcare, and if you get in trouble, you're gonna have to go through that judicial system and the political system is what it is. So guess what. You still go watch football? Do. I mean, could it have been. Sure. I don't know. I just know no one has ever asked me anything like that. And, you know, normally when people ask me who I think's gonna win, I was like, hey, I think it's gonna be a good game. Keep it moving. But I don't know what you want Ocho and I to do, because guess what? You will be watching those games tomorrow. Dennis Hadley said ocho can't pay 5900 and he ain't playing Tyreek, man. Nah, Ojo, you need to break me off, though. I really appreciate you. Go break bread with me and let me get that, because I. I want to. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Okay. Okay. I got you Christmas. Okay. Bet I got you.

[Shay]

Yeah. Tito Davis said, Uncle no Cho. What's one thing y' all want to be remembered for? I appreciate y' all coming keeping me smiling the last few weeks. Mentally, I'm not okay, but y' all help me get through the tough times in life. You gonna be okay, though. Tomorrow is another day. God blessed you to wake up.

[Ocho]

Come on.

[Shay]

To see another day. That's the most important. That's the most important gift you can get, is open the eyes and being able to put your feet on the floor and thank him for allowing you to see another day. Sunshine follows Ryan tino. It rained 40 days and 40 night. And guess what happened on the 41st day? The sun came out, flooded the entire earth. But on the 41st day, sunshine follows rain. What do I want to be remembered for. I want to be remembered as a good father, a good son, a good brother and a good friend. That's it. That's it.

[Ocho]

I like that. What do I want to be remembered for? Good father is definitely one good father. Definitely one. One of those that always remain authentic, one that always remained true to himself. One that left Liberty City without really leaving, staying standing, merged in in my upbringing, in my surroundings and and being himself regardless of what room he was in, always stayed myself. And I just learned to play the game within the game to make sure I'm able to navigate and adapt to any room I'm in without having to change.

[Shay]

Now that you're back from Spain, Ocho and the last time I sent you a super chat, you said, I quote, some people be lying. All I'm gonna say is, I'm hurt. And my mama said don't ever call her baby a liar. But anyways, I can fix your camera. Just let me help you and I can show you my ability. The one thing I can say about my man, my man. Give it up on Joe Trio. Brown said all that insecurity in the locker room is why the Lions gonna dog walk them tomorrow.

[Ocho]

It won't be no insecurity if they get dog walk. We know why they're getting dog walk. They getting dog walk because with their offense is statistically and they finally met a team that can score at a high rate and that's going to be the difference in the ball game.

[Shay]

J.J. my mom passed in 2022. UGA was a favorite team. Well, I mean she's had a lot to be proud of because they won two national championships in the last four years and they got a good chance of doing something special again this year. So sorry about your mom's passing though. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as you watch Georgia Bulldogs take down Texas Longhorns by the score of 35 to 10. Big night for Stockton. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Ocho and I would like to personally thank you for your support and your continued support. Because thanks to you, this is why Nightcap has become the phenomena that we've become. And only because of you, we will and shall continue to grow. So thank you again for your support. What's up?

[Ocho]

Can you hear me? What does the house wear?

[Shay]

What does a house wear? I don't know. What is the house address? Lord have mercy. He need help. He need help. Jesus. He need help. Make sure you check out by Laportier. Just head over to laportiercardiac.com if you cannot find it in a state or a city near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium BSOP cognac on the market. But don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and I'm sure you'll be convinced. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company, Shay Shay Media on all of his platforms and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned in the chat. Want to thank our very special guest, Johnny Manziel, as he normally does on football on College Football Saturday for joining us. And a very, very special guest, Kewan Lacey, who rushed for the most touchdowns in a single season in Ole Miss history. He finished today with 31 carries, 224 yards and three rushing touchdowns on the day. So we want to thank everybody that tuned in and join us tonight. Thank you so much. And we'll be back tomorrow after the game. Who plays tomorrow night?

[Ocho]

The Raiders. The Raiders and somebody.

[Shay]

Raiders. Cowboys. Tomorrow night. That's Monday night. That's Monday night. Yeah, I think that's Monday night. Lions, Eagles are tomorrow night. Should be a good one. We should be a good one, guys. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow after the game. I'm un he's oo.

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

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[Shay]

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