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But we were told, like when I was doing this on television, they say he don't want to be called Pac man anymore and he wants to be called Adam. Isaiah says. When I just saw this end in the barbershop months ago and everybody was calling him Pac, ain't nobody ever called him out. I don't know what Coach Marvin was thinking about when he said that to the media. I think that was something with him that had nothing to do with me. All right, Pac, you're down here at the Super Bowl. You know the two teams that are in the super bowl, the Chiefs and the Eagles. How do you see this matchup playing out? I just, I can't. Two teams are compatible. But Andy Reid having two weeks to prepare for this game, it's gonna be hard to beat Andy Reid. Andy Reid have a motherfucker wide open. I mean, the other week when he had. They was in the trips formation to the right, single back. I mean, single receiver to the left side. He sent the two over in motion just to see what they was in, man. And then he ran the little play with the pick out the back. Can they tell me how the linebacker gonna make that play? He can't. There's no way. You're not going to. What's up, man? You late? No, I'm just. And they sat on this play for the entirety of the game. They did not very look and I. And we OO and I talked about this. There are not very many coaches in that situation is going to throw the ball because if you're going to stop the clock, if that clock stops now, you give them an opportunity to get the ball back with a chance to go down and tie you or beat you. He says, patrick, and we saw this last year against the Baltimore Ravens. He said even Valdell Scanlan, who had dropped several passes during the regular season, he threw the ball on third down 30 plus yards down the field. Yeah, that's the kind of confidence that andy has in 1:5 and, and, and confidence is well placed. Yes, it is. And man, you can look at them last week and look at him four weeks ago when they didn't have Worthy, they didn't have chuckle. Now they all helped him. Man. Worthy is. Man, he got better like he. He is. That's one of the guys that ain't nobody talking about that can be mvp. That's why I told you. Remember I told you earlier, you never know whose day is going to be. When you watch the Chiefs all season long, every time they play, it's always somebody else day. Like you watch the Bengals play, you know it's going to be chase half the time. 90% of the time you watch the Chiefs play, ain't no telling who day it's going to be, right. One day it's worthy, one day it's Kelsey, one day it's Noah Gray. So depending what the Eagles do this game. Well, it's going to be exciting. Yeah, it is. Well, Andy Reid done played him already. He done beat him already one time like so. I don't know, man. I just. I cannot see Andy Reid because if the Chiefs lose, it's Andy Reid fault. That's all I'm looking at. But Andy Reid don't lose game. But Pac, if you look at it, this defense is different than what they brought to the Super Bowl. They got Jalen Carter, they got. I think Davis was there. Was there? No. Yeah, he was there the last time they played. But if you look at Zack Braun who playing unbelievable. Keon. Keon Mitchell. Yeah. Mitchell, Darius Clay, you got the Cooper Dijon. And it's that. This is that 2 6. The all world running back that they have now that can hit his head on the goal post. And we've seen it from anywhere on the field pack. This is a unique package that the Eagles didn't have last time when they came to the super bowl to face the. The. The Chiefs than what they have now. Yeah, of course it is. Starting with Saquon. Like I see him last night. Like he's. He's definitely the mvp. Man, when you could run full speed and turn around, jump backwards over somebody, bro, like that's a highlight. Whoever that. I forget who it was, but you gonna be on Jaguar. They'll always be seen forever. And that offensive line they got is by far the best offensive line that we've seen as a group together. I just don't know if they get down. Can they come from behind? Jess, you right. Carter, he's unblockable coming out of Georgia. Everybody was talking, but he wouldn't do this. He wouldn't do that. Well, he should be drafted at. They showed. He's showing you why he should have been drafted the way he got drafted at. He's unblockable. But I think with the play action, with the motion and getting Patrick out on the perimeter, it'll slow down Carter from just peeling his head back and going straight. Go ahead. What are you doing here? What you selling? I ain't selling that no more. Out here making my. I ain't selling around making my rounds. Rounds doing. Talking about the Pac Man Jones show. Different things that I got coming up. Let me ask you, you played the DB position. Who's the best DB in the NFL right now? Oh, who's second? You answer that real fast. Second. Gonzalez. Gonzalez like three on my list. You like Ramsey? I Like Ramsey. Ramsey's still up there. He like. Horn. Horn. J.C. horn. Hold on. He be getting a lot of. I like. What about Stingley? Stingley is good. Stingley is real good. Yeah, I like the kid from Green Bay. Oh, oh, you're Lattimore. Lattimore. No, Alexander. Alexander. Yeah. Yeah, I like him, man. When you talk about Sir Tan, he is, man. He just don't. He don't never get sloppy, bro. His technique is always on point. If he supposed to be seven yards, he is seven yards, like, already set. If he pressed, he already pressed. Like, I watched him probably every play that he played in the last six weeks. And I had a conversation with Vijay. VJ Was my defensive back coach. He was defensive coordinator Van Jones. And he's like, bro, he just so disciplined, right? And it's hard to beat if you're real disciplined, right? I think the last person we seen like that was Reavis. Yeah, but see, that's another reason why he don't get a lot of picks. Cause he's so disciplined, he's gonna be where he's supposed to be. Guys that get a lot of picks, they normally are disciplined. They gonna take chances, they gonna gamble. Hey, they'll give up a play. Yeah, it's like T Buck. People used to ask T Buck, say, T Buck. He said, they got more slams than they got go robbing. He said, and if they throw that sled, I'm gonna get it. Now, if they run the slugo, they got me. But I'm thinking of that situation right there. They're gonna run the sled. Yeah. Yeah. I was greedy, too, though. I was greedy. Yeah, you were. I was greedy. I was trying to get everything. I was greedy. Pat, let me ask you this. We see a lot of these guys, and I think this, the NFL should really bring you in to talk to some of these guys because you had some hardships coming up in the league. What would you tell some of these guys? How do you keep these guys with so much pack these guys making money that you could buy a franchise for just 30 years? How do you. How do you say, guys, look, I'm not going to tell you not to have fun, but, guys, just be careful. I think the main thing now, like, when my situation, I forgot that this shit was business, like, you know what I mean? Being young and getting a lot of money at 21, you forget, like, hey, this is a business, right? And so for the younger guys, I would tell my, hey, bro, treat this shit like a business and treat it like you're not getting another contract. And if you kind of treat it like that, it'll help you get to the next contract. I think that's the reason why I played a long time. Like, I never thought, like, this is going to be my last contract. Like that's how I went into every contract. Like, this is going to be my last contract. I got to figure out a way to make these motherfuckers give me a new contract. You get what I'm saying? And nobody never had a problem with me at work. You know, my problem was leaving Magic City at 4:30 and we playing at 2pm that thing hungover. But I'm still handling my job though, you know what I mean? Let me ask you a question. If you could go back, if Pac man could go, if Pac man could go back, do it all over again, what are some of the things Pac would do different? I wouldn't. I would have probably had all house party. I would have never went out as much because I made myself a little bit too vulnerable. And being vulnerable is not good. So I would just. I would change a lot of things. But the main thing, I wouldn't be as vulnerable as I was or accessible as I was to people. I think that hurt me a lot. And some of the dumbass decisions I made. Now, I ain't said I didn't make no dumb decisions because couples decision was them wings. Them wings be good. I thought, was it going to go well? Next time you're in Atlanta, call Pat. I'm there. I don't like to go out nowhere. Hey, I don't go outside. I'm outside. I'm the people. I'm the voice of the streets. I am the voice of the streets. What they say? This ain't that. It's that. Yeah, it is. It's that. Man, Pack, thanks for joining us, bro. Yes, sir. Appreciate that, man. Congratulations on all your success. You're in the podcast world. You're doing your thing. I check you out from time to time, man. All right. You doing your thing, bro. Yeah, you're doing your thing too. You stay away from them blue pills, though. I had to throw that one in there once. They scrap, boy. Let me see. Let me see. You can't. Let me see. Oh, whoa. Let me get that. Let me see. Let me see if it works. Let me see it. They work. It definitely works. What do they call in? Rose sparks. Rose sparks. Go to ro.comnightcap row.com. why you can't give me none? I've been there. Hold on you can't get nothing before me. I've been asking for a whole year. Come on, man. All that money you got, you can't get a blue. You can't. But hair is the thing. Can't get one of them. They only work on me. You have to call in and send your information. You're not supposed to take everybody else medicine. You know that. Oh, they prescribe? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, just the right. The right. Yeah. I might need to go call in, make sure I get the right dose. Pac Man Jones, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate y'all for having me. Appreciate you. Oh, Joe, hold on. I'm gonna catch you in a minute. Appreciate it. Pat now joining us, he was NFL Rookie of the year. He was a former All Pro and Pro bowl player. Played years with the San Diego Chargers, and he played one season, if I'm not mistaken, with the Buffalo Bills. Here he goes, Sean. Lights out. Merriman. What up, bro? What's up, little man? What's up, little man? What's up, little man? There you go. I'm just getting up here. That bear knuckles for getting up there. I was finna beat his ass years ago. See, this will happen, I promise you. He said this will happen. I didn't know he was playing around. I didn't know he was playing around a long time ago, right? And he said, he won't beat my ass, right? So I stopped this. I was in the charge facility. I walked out and I did a video and I was going to choke him when I seen him, right? But I didn't know Chad then. I didn't. I thought he was. I thought he was serious. And we was playing. We were playing them coming up and I said, when we see them, I'm going to do something real bad. Real bad. When I catch. And we ain't. I never caught him. Yeah, it was a fun day, man. How you doing? Sh. I'm good, man. Doing well. Good. Let me ask you this, man. You see this matchup? Obviously, Patrick Mahomes going for the three peat. The Eagles, Saquan, Jaylen Hurst, AJ Devonte. Then you go to the defensive side of football led by Jaylen Carter. They have Zack Braun in the middle. You got Slade, you got Mitchell on the outside. How do you see this matchup playing out? You know what, it's funny because everybody's talking about the obvious, right? Saquon talking about Pat. We know what they going to do. I think, man, this game really going to come down to the trenches. Yeah. I Think it's really going to come down to Jalen Carter, Chris Jones. I think it's going to be that kind of matchup because that's really going to dictate the tempo of the game. Right? You know, we. They going to get there. Saquon's going to rush for whatever he going to rush for. I don't think this Magnola let anybody rush for 100 yards this year. I don't think so. Yes. But again, so now he got a real, a real obstacle on his hands dealing with that, man. I just think it's going to be an unsung hero. It ain't going to be Patrick Mahomes. It ain't going to be. It's going to be somebody like Slay right to step up, you know, getting pressures, you know, and a ball force. And I think it's going to be an unsung hero in this game that we just, we really not talking about. I want to know about the fighting. Yeah, that's whatever. Tell the people about what you have going with the fight league, because I'm thinking about joining, you know, getting hands wet a little bit. But it's mma, so listen, I can kick too. Whatever you want to do. So look, when I back in the mid-2000s, I wanted to start, I was working with Jay Glazer. I was in his gym, right. So I grew up, my family, my uncles were professional boxers. So I grew up just boxing in PG county in Washington D.C. area anyway, right. Sugar Ray Leonard's gym was right up the street. So I grew up around boxers anyway. And so I was hitting the gym, hitting the miss one day at gym, and Jay Glaze said, hey, look, I see you can box. If you ever tried mma, it'll help you out in football with your hands coming off the edge. So he took me to the gym one day and Jay Glaze is here and Randy Couture is sitting on my left. And I'm looking at Jay, I said, I'm not fighting Randy Couture today. That's not, that's not happening. But what I saw, man, I started training with these guys, you know, every off season. Chuck Lindell, T.D. ortiz, all these guys I got a chance to just be around and train with. And I fell in love with sports. So I ended up launching Lights Out Extremes fighting, which we looked at, man, as one of the feeders to ufc. You know, we. We sent six guys to the UFC last year. Okay, so that's. So that's what. So basically you're a minor League system to the ufc. Yeah, yeah. And I think that the word minor league, nobody's going to be bigger than ufc, right? No, no, no. There's going to be people going to try, give a head start. They got too much a head start. And when you think of mma, you. You already think of the ufc, no matter. No matter where you at. But what you can do is do some things that they may not be looking at, right? We got a bunch of. We got chips in the gloves that can measure speed, power, punch, impact. All that's like a lot of tech, a lot of AI. And now that I just launched my streaming service, Lights Out Sports tv, that we carry a lot of combat sports, we got a big fight in LA this Friday in Long beach for Lights Out Extremes fight. So what you can do, man, because we're able to pivot, we can do some stuff. And if they like it, right? If they like it, they adopt it. And that's the whole goal of Ben. We don't try to compete. We just trying to create. Let me ask you this. You hear Miles Garrett says, look, I appreciate everything Cleveland. They made my dream come true. First overall draft pick, defensive player of the year, All Pro Pro Bowl. I believe I've done all I possibly can, but at the end of the day, I want to compete for a championship, and I don't believe I can do that in Cleveland. What do you do? You have a problem with him? Like, I want to go compete for a title? No. And the Browns organization got to respect it. He's giving you everything he possibly can from his standpoint. He's done everything he can. And you get to a point as an organization that they're not doing what's best in your interest now, because after you make enough money, you already know it's the best in your position. You already got the Pro Bowls, All Pros, you already got the accolades. The only thing now to do is get a championship. And if you don't have somebody out there working with you to give, put you in the best situation, say, hey, man, we got to get this. We got to get this. The biggest regret I have my career is, is not winning the ring. That's. That's the biggest one. And all the teams we had, we should at least got one. Yeah. Yeah, we should, Philip. We should have got one. And so, you know, I'm sitting up in. You know, I remember going to NFL Network, going to NFL Network, and I'm sitting up there on the panel, got Marshall, everybody was up there, and they got these Rings on and I'm sitting in my heart beating through my chest because you've missed that part. So I don't blame Miles Garrett at all for want to get out of organization. That hasn't put him in the best situation to be a champion. I like it. What's next? The year just started. We only in February. Yep. We only in February. What's next for Sean Merriman in 2025? We got this. We got this big fight. We had the East West. Ryan, congratulations, too, bro. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. For the East West Shrine. So NFL Network had the game for the East West Shrine Bowl. Lights out. Sports TV by network. We had the practices. It was the first time they ever did the practices. You know, we want to get more college conferences. That's coming down the pipeline. We're going to announce this soon. But also, too, man, bringing some of these guys and trying to get more former guys in to come and fight. You know, some of these guys have been playing three, four years, pissed off they got cut a few times, you know, been in a bad situation. Hey, man, life's out, bro. Man, you look here. If they had been fighting, man, it's hard to all of a sudden just get into fighting when you ain't been fighting. No, it ain't. It's pretty easy. No, but. But one thing I'll say, Shannon, we don't walk in with two left feet, right? Automatically with Greg Hardy. Help. Greg Hardy. No, he didn't want to help him. That he need a lot of. Yeah, it's too late for him. It's too late. Yeah. Hey, y'all wrong. Hey, y'all wrong, man. That's. Y'all wrong. Well, I would. I wouldn't go say, yeah, it's too late. I'm gonna just. I'm leaving that. But see, that's. That's what, you know, fighting. Right. That's a different type of fight. Right, right. Because street fight, you know? You okay? I'm just worried about the guy punching me in the ring. Guy can punch you, elbow you, knee you, kick you. Yeah, all that. It's actually, believe it or not, man, better for us because we got explosion. Yeah. A lot of these guys don't got that. Just naturally being able to explode and do some of these things. And people talk about, Greg Hardy had a nice little run. Yeah, he did. He had a night, then he fell off. Right. I think the next champ is going to be one of these guys. Played three, four years, right. You know, built tall. Six. Three, six. Four or six. Like Like Adesanya. Like, yeah, like, yes, yes. Johnny, Johnny, Johnny Jonesbone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We had a guy that was built like him. He just played for the Chargers, played for a couple of teams. I think the next champion going to come from a guy that's pissed this. Played three, didn't make all the money he wanted to, didn't get his shot, got a chip on his shoulder, and it's gonna be the next champ. That's why I think it's gonna happen. I like it. What type of mindset do you have to have? Because look, if you go back in, like the boxers. Yeah, most of the. Most of the boxers, way back when, they came from. They came from poverty. Yeah. I ain't talking about, you know, I'm talking about poverty. I'm talking about. They were barely. And they, they had to do things. And it's like, what's up? You gonna pay me to beat somebody ass and I ain't gonna go to jail for it. Sign me up. Right? And so what type of mindset does a person have to have to get into the mma? I think, see, Shane, we're so used to running in other people in football, people think of us the same way. Yes. And we do. You gotta have a different. Like I tell people, I say, you gotta be sick to run that way and that way. And two people collide, full speed. Yes. And then do it 50 times. Yes. Get up the next day, get your ice cold tub. What do you got? And then get. Take a day off and then do it again. And then most people. So when we. You talking like that. But there's people out there that look at us the same way that we look at. Look at them. There's people out there, man. Like these fighters that come, you know, or guys that come from NFL or NBA or whatever it is, they got that mindset. They can do it, they just haven't. They don't know the path. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, Chad, there's celebrity stuff, there's stuff you can go and promote, but if you really go trying to do, you got to find the right gym. Right. The right coaches, the right team, and a lot of guys don't do it. And that's what we've been doing over lights out Extreme fight. We had three guys that were kind of transitioning into this world to go and I think going to be the next champs. Is it expensive to get to mma? Not really. Not really. But it's expensive. You get with the wrong people. Okay. Because every round's trying to snatch you up. That's one thing about this big combat sports. Now you got a bunch of bad people in the business, but for the most part, man, I think the next heavyweight, a light heavyweight champ can come from the NFL or former NFL. Sean Lightside. Marymond, bro, thanks for stopping by with us. Thank y'all, man. Appreciate that, man. Your commentary on the game, who you got winning the game? I, I'm not going against the Chiefs ever again. I, I just, I think the whole, I think 90% of the country root for the, for the Eagles. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going against the Chiefs ever again. You're not betting against Mahomes. I'm not betting against him. And another people that's on the field like the 12th man, right? We all, I mean, oh, the 12th man. I ain't talking about the Seahawks season. I like it. All right, bro. Appreciate y'all, man. Thanks, man. All right. Good to see you. Sean. Merriman, what's up bro? Thank you, bro. I really appreciate that. Some might say homes.com is the best home shopping site. 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They might go out and try to get Marcus Mariota. That's who he had. Remember he had at Oregon? Heisman Trophy? He was the backup. Okay. In Washington. Okay, now that Listen, I like The Raiders receiving core, I like what they have at receiver. Now, if you go get Mariota, who's shown he can, he can, he can lead a team, you know, he has a good arm, he's a dual threat quarterback, he can run the ball as well. And I got cursed out not long ago. Max Crosby, I know you're probably going to see this, and right now I'm on your side. Depending on who you get at the quarterback position, you guys might have a chance. Matt Crosby sent me a dm. He was mad about what I heard. I heard everything you said about us not having a quarterback, that we're not going to be able to do anything. Max, I'm on your side now. I love you. Depending on who you get at quarterback, having Chip Kelly, it's going to be a great thing for you guys. I love you and I don't want to fight and I don't want. No problem. But what was he upset about? They're not gonna do anything with a quarterback without one. No, I mean, I think he tried to argue the fact that they could do something without having one. You had 112, 113 catches. What'd that get you? Four wins. See, I didn't even bring up stats. No, I'm just saying. So, yeah, you get interview. Yes. We've seen a lot of players play with bad quarterbacks, get numbers. Right. But at the end of the day, okay, what are those numbers leading to? Something. Right, Right. You're right. You're right, you're right. So Max Unk said it. So you want to get mad this time? There's nothing to get mad about. We're just stating facts. Facts, Right. I mean, a bunch of numbers. They need to be something. They need to be like Social Security number. They need the bank password numbers. What are those numbers lead to? Right. What are they getting out of those numbers? And so you're right, they need a quarterback. They need a couple of other things also, but I definitely think a quarterback. But do you like this hire? I like to hire, yes. The Chip Kelly, his creativity and what he's been able to do throughout his entirety. He's had some, Some bad rap some places he's been. But I know what he can do offensively, from an offensive standpoint, if you get a quarterback, that's the key. That's. That's the deciding factor on their success. Well, the thing is that he worked really well last year. He was offensive coordinator, Ohio State Buckeyes. They won the national championship. Maybe he's better suiting in this role as opposed to being a head coach. Right. Because, you know, he wants to. Now he just has to worry about getting the offense ready to play. He's not in charge of scheduling. He's not in charge of conditioning. He's not really in charge of anything except the X's and O's and getting the offense to perform at an extremely high level. So I like this move. Also, obviously, with Pete Carroll being there, no problem with Pete going back. People are surprised that, well, Pete going back. Why did he get Coach Belichick? Nah, Belichick ain't going now. Why not? Who the quarterback? Hell, who the quarterback in North Carolina. I think Belichick took that job in North Carolina to show the GMs and the coaches that I can be a leader of young men, too. Despite what y'all may think about my old ways, my old coaching ways. Let me show you. I can. I can resonate with the young folk as well and coach at the collegiate level and then bring it on out. Well, he gonna get. He gonna get a job. If six Super Bowls and nine, 10 Super bowl appearances ain't enough, I don't know what it is, y'all. No, you know how it is. Update that resume. Yeah. What have you done for me lately? Lately? Yeah. Ocho. Cooper cup to be traded by the Rams. Rams are willing to eat some of the contract to facilitate a trade. Where will he land? You know what? There's so many good places where Cooper cup can go. He can do so many things. So many teams can benefit from having a receiver like Cooper cup that he can play in the slot, he can play on the outside. He's an elite route runner. Still to this day, obviously, the opportunities decreased tremendously once Puka Nakua got there. So I'm not sure where he can go. But I hope the place he does go, he's able to continue to contribute and get the opportunities he deserves as a receiver that he is. So he. He still. He still has those wheels, you know, they're not flat just yet, so I'm not sure where he can go. You look at the landscape of the NFL and who could use half number one, number two receiver like Cooper Cup? What happens with T. Higgins if T Doesn't stay, you know, bring in a Cooper cup who can. No, no, no. I don't. I don't like that. Because Cooper cup will take some of the kisses away from. From. From Chase, because they kind of do the same things. Yeah, I kind of like. I kind of like. I think he needs to be. He's 49ers. He's more of a slot 49ers. But they just got Pierce off. Ah. What do you think? I. I just think I. I. Me, personally, I think he needs to go somewhere where the. Look, can he play outside the numbers? Yes. Yes. Or is he more efficient, effective inside. Inside the numbers? So he needs to go somewhere that has a similar situation. I'm trying to let Carolina. Carolina. Who wants the west coast system. Oh, Green Bay runs it, but they got. They got you. You good? I'm just making sure you good. You sure? What? Right? What's really going on? I'm making sure he good. I'm good, man. I've been good. Okay. Yeah. What we talking about? What you want to talk about? Whatever you want to talk about. Let's talk about where you been. Why. Why haven't I seen you on IG lately? You just coming back? You was off IG for. All right, so this. Look, I ain't gonna lie to you. This is what happened. Scared you got Shadow banned? No, I ain't get Shadow banned. They banned your ass. For real. I got facts. I was like, 308. For real. What the hell you were doing? Depressed. Depressed about what? My knee was. My. My knee was messed up, so I was six weeks. I couldn't move. I was just sitting there eating. Just eating. So I went to go tie my shoe when I knew I was real fat. My son called me fat already. But, you know, he a hater anyway, so. You know, he's my oldest, so he a hater anyway. So when I knew I was real fat is when I went to bend over to tie my shoe and my stomach got in the way and I had to move my leg to the side to get down there. Yeah, yeah. Because I was like, well, damn. I would say. But maybe he had. Because I remember you had mentioned that you. Your knee was bothering you. Yeah. I said, well, maybe he had surgery. Yeah, I did. He's just out of commission. Okay. Boom. But I was like, well, damn. Hold on. Don't take nobody no 3, 4 months to recover from no knee surgery. Yeah, dude, man, I had meniscus repair, so I was 6 weeks non weight bearing. I couldn't put nothing on it. So I'm like, I'm about six, seven months out now. Okay. How you did that? Old injuries. No. So what happened was the gym equipment that I was using at the gym, it failed on you. So I had a band around my waist. Yeah. And instead of using a band, I used a Velcro Belt that they had there, a cheap Velcro belt to hook to the band. The belt's what? No, I was doing bandit rdls. So you put the band. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Okay. Okay. So I'm doing, like, 3:15, and I'm doing the bandit, and then the thing snapped. Ah. So to stop from falling on my face, I had to drop the weight and jump over, and I landed straight like this on this knee Pop. Yeah. You felt it when you. I went that day, got MRI and was in surgery the next day. Yeah. Damn. You gotta stop doing that. Heavy. No, no, that wasn't heavy. That's funny. We were. I mean, that ain't heavy already at 315. But you added. You added. But now you got tension throughout the entire movement, which I know that's what you looking for. Yeah, you gotta have that push. Yeah. You know, bro, you get. Nah, you're not close. Let's see how old you. You. What, 45. Age ain't got nothing to do with strength if you got the right technique, huh? Yeah, you supposed to know that. Why are we talking about strength with a man that's 175? Listen, you talk. I'm 205 right now. Listen. 205. Yeah. Thank you. Don't, man. Man, don't make me come up out this jacket, man, please. But listen, listen. We talk about strength. You talk about a man that's 175. But, you know, I've always been very, very strong. You just said you was 205. No, I'm saying. He's saying I was 175. I'm just listening to what he's talking about. But I've always been very, very strong. So you talk about you doing 315rdl. I'm 315 on the bench. I just did that workout this morning. Told me do 225. 25 times. 27. I did 225. 27 times. When? When I was training. When I. It was about two months ago. Hey, man, you say stuff so well that. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. I wouldn't believe it. You had people. You had people, obviously. Listen, you had. Talk to Chip. Chip was our Strauss coach. I know Chip. Yeah. Ask Chip how it was in there. I did my workouts for the defensive alignment and the offensive lineman. I didn't even work out with the receivers. Just because you working out with them, that don't mean you doing that way. No, I have to do their weight. You know, people like, hey, I work out with Shannon Sharp. You have to do shame because I'd be in the way. I'd be in the way. I can't be in the way. So I would always go first and say, ask Andrew Whitman. I don't believe you, sir. Listen, listen. I'll lie for you before I lie to you. Listen, you have to show me your Steelers. What they gonna do with the quarterback. You want to see Russ or you see Justin Fields? Which one do I want to see? Yes. I don't know. Or does it matter? I don't really think it matters too much, to be honest with you. I guess I would go with Justin because he's younger, but. Yeah, I don't. I don't think it matters. I think they gotta find another option at quarterback. I believe so. Okay. Okay. If that's okay. How about this? My boy, George Pickens, do they extend him or do you let him go? Just from what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing, I don't know, if it was me, I would try and trade him. Get something fun, too. Good. Just saying, that behavior, it's just hard to win behavior like that. Yeah, that's just me. I mean. I mean, you see. Yeah, you see, it. You know, it happens with, you know, it seems to just be happening a lot of times, you know, with the receivers. I don't know if that's just. That are really, really, really, really good. Yes. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. You think George Pickens is the equivalent player of Luka Doncic in football terms? No. Because he doesn't get the opportunities that Luka does. He is not Luka Doncic. And what you're not going to do is sit here and discredit George Pickens and how good he is because. And compare him to goddamn Luka, for one. He doesn't get the opportunity and that type of offense. If you gave him the opportunity, would he be the third or fourth best player in the NFL? Boy, he'd be the third. Third or fourth? What you talking about? So he'd be over. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. Stay right there. Oh, I like you that you put. You put. You give. Let's take. Period. Yes. No, I can't go there. That's. That's what I'm asking. Listen to me, okay? I seen his skill set. I know what he can do. Stay with me real quick. If he got the opportunity, he's Jamar Chase, guy in the Steelers offense. What do you think his numbers would be? I'm not saying. Wait, let Me finish. Let me finish. But the comparison with Lukan, I mean, Luke always has the goddamn ball in his hands. Let me finish. Okay. If George Pickens got the opportunity Justin Jefferson got with Minnesota, what you think his numbers would be? Number be outstanding, but he still would be the third best player in the NFL. So that means you'd have to put him in front of him. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about receivers. He said player. That's why I flipped out. That's why I went. I dropped back receiver, yo. Yeah, absolutely. He has that kind of talent. Now, don't do me like that. No, but I'm saying. So I'm saying the negative behavior. Oh, yeah. Now that I don't like. If we didn't talk, we didn't have that conversation. Yeah. I guarantee you won't have no problems at him no more. How can you get that? I done had that conversation with him. I guarantee you. And I don't want to sit here and talk about what we talking about. But I said, listen, that window of opportunity, well, that shrink real fast now, it shoots real fast. Don't matter how good you are, I use your line. They'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Mike will say that all the time. There's no replacement for him right now, which is why I think he might get a little grace. So don't be surprised. But I think he's going to want a deal. He's not going to come back without a deal. You know what I'm saying? So I don't see with his current and past behavior with me as an organization taking a chance. I'm going to give you this. I guarantee you, and I can stand on that right now. You won't have no more problems out of George picking that. Go, Mike Tomlin. You're going to see this, you know, The Woundies, y'all going to see this. I guarantee you won't have no problems no more. This ain't playing NFL standpoint. Not for longer. You're not really, it looks like for me, from sitting here looking at you, you know. No, I know. I ain't gonna lie, man. I couldn't. I mean, fantastic receiver, dude. I'm not gonna lie to you. But, you know, like you said, the conversations you had, things. I know. I just couldn't take that. I couldn't take that chance. I just know what he can do. I understand the value that he brings to an offense when he's utilized the right way. Hit his head off the goal post any day. It's only. It's only a few. It's only a few receivers in the NFL can take a hitch and take a slant and take an 80. Only a handful. Jefferson, Chase. I mean, all those, you know. No, no halfway on a play. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. Ain't too many halfway. You can go halfway on the play and not give all your effort. Oh, that. That part. Okay, okay. I see. I see you going. I see you going. Let me ask you this. What about Coach Tom? He ain't going nowhere. What you mean? I mean, he's going to be there. What? He got three more years left. I think it's a nice piece of money. Yeah. There was some speculation about him being traded. No, dude, they're not going to trade him. You got a coach that. The good things. You got a coach that can win can keep you above 500. He hasn't been below five, what, almost 20 years. Whatever it is, do I go and get rid of that in hopes of getting something better? I don't know. It's six and one half a dozen in the other. Also the other things is you're at the Steelers organization being above.500. That's not, you know, that's not the standard that. No, no. And that, you know, that's my. The standard is. Is the bombarded. You know what I'm saying? That's the standard. Yeah. And you know, when it comes down to it, you know, you got to sit back and you got to look at like, yo, you know, we ain't won a playoff game since 2016. You know, that's a hard thing, you know, to look at. You're talking, what, about a eight year drought there? But like I said, that's. That, that's the negative things. But since it's still three years left, me, I'm gonna have to let it ride out because, you know, the devil that I know is better than the devil that I don't know. So I think, oh, I gotta write that down. I think that's the thing though, James, is that when you look at it and you're like, oh, he hadn't been. But the standard, you're not paying that kind of money to be 9 and 8. You're not paying that money to be 10 and 7. When the standard has always been Super Bowls. Yes. Playing for winning, competing for Super Bowls. I don't think anybody goes into the beginning of the season say, man, Steelers. Are Steelers gonna be in contention? They're gonna be right there at the end. They're not. They get hot and then they fall. I don't know what. I don't know what this. What's happening is that they get hot for like nine, 10 games and then they just step off a cliff. Yeah. I can't. You know, I can't. I can't give you an explanation of that, why that happens, but, you know, when it comes down to it, you know, everything has to go back to the head coach. And it's not like you got a head coach that's been there for three, four years. You got a guy that's been there almost 20 years. Yes. So the lack of a quarterback, the lack of, you know, offense, defense, whatever that is, it falls back on the head coach. Because you had plenty of time to have years to be like, all right, I need to get into. I need to draft this position because this person is coming up and they won't be able to continue to. To. To play. And you have to get your. Your next heir apparent at that position. And, you know, when you look at it, man, like James said, they held on too long to be in. Listen, when you look at it, man, I'm not saying you held on to being too long, man, to be honest with you. I'm saying you didn't get somebody to get ready to replace him. So similar to like an Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love situation. Yes. Where you don't want to piss your quarterback off. Could you see what happened when they drafted Jordan Love? You got Aaron Rodgers pissed, and they had to over somebody. They pissed off Brett Favre, too. But we did. He ended up getting a Super Bowl. And that's the same thing now until you find that guy. But Steelers should know firsthand because they didn't do the proper job with Terry Bradshaw. So it wasn't. They had those long years of mediocrity until they got a quarterback in Big Ben, which was in 2004. But think about when Terry retired. So you had 20 years of just flailing around. Yeah. And that's what. And similarly, that's what they are right now. Because unless you got a quarterback in this league now. Yeah. When you first got to the league, run the football, run the play, defense, you can have a marginal quarterback and you can win. Well, yeah, I mean, you got. You gotta look at when Ben first came in, you know, that's what we did. We ran the ball, you know, and run, run. He'd hit him over the top, you know, and let him get the time to learn the game and figure out where the ball should go, where it shouldn't go over that course of time and, you know, his biggest plays were, okay, it's a scramble, and he's, you know, he's tossing it 20, 30 yards down the field. Somebody's taking off. So, you know, running the ball is something. I ain't gonna lie, man. I really want to see get back into it because it's just a physical aspect of enforcing your, you know, your will on somebody else. They just cannot stop you. That's. That's the great. You know what I'm saying? Now you putting eight and nine in the box, and now it's time to go over the top of their head. Yeah, right. You know, I like it. You like it? I like it. Yeah. You want to coach? Do I want to coach? I do not want to coach unless it's. It's my kids. I would be willing to do that if it was my kids. But to put actual. Damn. Coach. Qu. Time for actual. You understand the time that goes into it. Yes, a lot of time. It's a lot of time that goes into it. Like, for me as a player, I put a lot of time into it. But as a coach, you're putting even more time into it, you know, and that's not something that I'm. I'm willing to do. My love for the game is not. It's not that great, especially, you know, if I'm playing it. I'm gonna give you everything I need, right? I'm. I'm gonna be there from dusk till dawn, you know, I'm gonna do everything I need to do, take care of my body, but just, you know, coaching it, I don't have that love for it. And then, you know, what it took to be great. And then you coach and you see guys wood jiving around. Listen, that's something that I would have a hard time with, especially when you're looking at what they could be if they put in, you know, the time, the effort, you know, and that's not just, you know, on the field. It's in the weight room. It's in the off season, you know? You know, especially now, where you don't have much practice and all that. Know, you got a lot of guys with all these soft tissue injuries, you know, they want to. They want to point to the field, the turf and all that. What you need to point to is guys aren't training like they used to. You aren't putting those forces on your body in the off season or you're not getting it leading up into the season. You only got three games. Guys play, you know, 20 snaps for the whole preseason, and then, you know, week one come and you're like, hey, give me 100 miles an hour, 65 plays. And you wonder why dudes are tearing and getting all these softball tissue injuries is because they're not preparing their body to go out and play a season. When I trained, my hardest thing was the off season. Like, I put in more work, I put in more strain on my body than I did in any practice. And that's the thing, though, because when you look at it, mma, it's still Chad. I mean, he always go talk crazy. Listen, it's one thing about talking, but you know, I'm gonna get in there and thumb. You try thumb. What? You try. You 100. What? How much weigh? 205 right now, man, you go pick that little up with one hand, you gonna pick it up. Cause he gonna pick that up around no money wrong with this, man. He the brakes off his ass. You talking about brakes? This ain't no car. You talking about brakes? This ain't no car. All right, all right. We gonna do all right. We gonna get advertising sponsor. I know he don't. No, I know he don't. I know he don't. No, I know he don't. More worried about. I'm more worried about he might eat that little you throw at. No, forget. He ain't conditioned like I am. He gonna be in two seconds, he gonna try to throw a punch. He going try to throw my weight. Grab. I said. You said he grabbing me. Stop saying that. I hit you. Your mouth don't say that no more. How the hell I get on this? I was walking by. I'm about to get hit in my mouth, boy. Godamn, this is. Think. Y'all think they can see? Hey, peasy, you know I can't see North Hill. Enemies forever. I don't like. I don't like that. People look at size and they determine wins and losses based off size. You saw David and Goliath. Remember that story, right? Man, that was the Bible. Remember that story? Remember what happened there? Huh? Yeah. You know, don't. Don't try paint yourself up to be David. You read the Bible? Yeah, I read, but do you read the Bible? Neither one of us is David. Do you read the Bible? Yes, neither one of us. Start reading. Start reading. Because you got. Boy, you good. I ain't gonna need him. I thought you was good. Chad, listen. You heard me. You listen. Hey, listen, let me talk to you. Shay. Shay. I take my life for a joke. My life ain't no joke on my kids. I'm g you up all that crazy. I'mma bust you in like, oh, what's going on? I put that on my kids. You know, I don't play by my kids. I got 200 of them. I got you, but you good, boy. You good. I'mma show you I'm good. I'm show you I'm good. Hold on. Oh, my God. What you got, man? You got something to say? Listen, man, I accepted my lord and savior in August of this past year, man, I was baptized. You are? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, mine, mine off. I can't even. What you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said of your character, right? No, listen, man, I think I might. I've been trying to hold this thing inside of me for a long time because ever since I got like fined by Roger Goodell for 75,000, I've been wanting to kill somebody. I think you might be the person. I think God brought you. That's fine, that's fine, that's fine. Whatever you want to do, you know. Matter of fact, if you beat me, I add a 75,000 to your purse if you beat me. How about that? So you get your money back. That's how serious I am. Oh, you gonna give me that? I give it back. You might as well just write that right now. You got me up, man. You might as well write that. And how can pieces like, hey, how can I get involved? Y'all talking about making some money. Where's my part? 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It don't matter. You going to know when I lump your ass up. All right, all right. What do you say? How did I get into that? I'm done. No, hold on. You know what? Matter of fact, I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. I'm doing too much talking. Let's just set. Set the up man. We got running where you want it tomorrow. No, it don't matter. We can doing that. We can doing that in front of everybody. It don't make me n. It don't matter where I'm at. What? Run it, cuz. You gonna be right. You. Hey, run it. All I need you to do is run it. Hey, we got six bucks. I don't trust him. I don't trust him. No, no, no, listen, I'm trying to tell you. He's that pit bull. That it? He's. Sit up. You get close enough. Grab your ass. He said pulled you down, right? I pulled you down. You know I pulled you down for a reason. Hey, we. Hey, we got. See you playing. I'm not playing. He. He's dead ass. Oh, yeah. I'm. Set it up. We got this. Oh, we gonna make. Talking about. He's serious. What you think playing? I ain't playing. Did I play with you on Sundays? Yeah, he come to me. He's exactly. We about to fight before the game. I said no, man. They gonna throw me out for real. I ain't got time to mess with you, DJ like I'mma be. He. He pull up with the shirt roll up. Come on, man. I said no, man. They gonna throw me out for real. And you gonna get to play. But this the thing. This ain't football no more. This is real life. But you tested my manhood not. And you disrespecting me. Are you gonna. No, no. Okay, we'll see. Y'all are saying, man, we'll see how much. How much time you need to get the knee right. Oh, I don't want no excuses. That's gonna be his first excuse when you lose. Oh, my knee was messed up. Oh, my knee was. I had a right. I had a meniscus. I'm here tomorrow, y'all bring me back. Back tomorrow I go run and do my thing. Oh, my knee hit me back. Oh, I need some more of this. Hey, I need to get my content up. I'mma beat that ass, boy. I tell you what, man. You give it time, whatever you need to do. Shay, give him the time he gonna need to gain some weight you might want. I don't need to gain no weight. I think six months will be good enough. Can you be ready in six months? I can be ready tomorrow, man. No, we need time. We gotta. We got. We gotta sell this. Well, now you quiet. Now you quiet. He quiet. Soft ass. Soft ass. Okay, well, July, soft ass. You soft, boy. I see through all that. I see through all that muscle. Ain't about nothing, boy. Okay. You got the right one. I'm going to. You got. You got the right one, baby. I'm trying to see what they said in the chat. Cause I beat the chat ass, too. See, man, Listen, listen. We gonna ask. Listen, I'm tired. I'm not listening. Yeah, I'm Helen Keller. Don't talk. You're trying to make me laugh. Don't talk. I'm trying to make you laugh or what? Cause whatever you smile, we're gonna be missing. I don't bust your ass too bad. Okay. All right. Bet. Nah, nah. You got the game, Matt. You got the game. Hey, he asked for this. He asked for this. Oh, I'm gonna give you everything you looking for. March, April, May, June, July, August. I think August will be by the right amount of time. I don't need it. I'm good now. You better talk to him. Hey, Ryan. I'mma him up. Lies. All right. I got Debo. Chat. That's fine. You know, I want you to better get. Cause my teachers in high school said the same thing. They didn't believe in me, and look what I became. You did. Look where I've come. You did ask who you got? Debo. Okay, Aaron, who you got? Debo. Thank you. Thank you. Somebody that believe in me. That's Ocho's producer, Aaron. So, man, unfortunately, put all your money on him, too. James Harrison, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for join us. Debo, man. Appreciate it. Hey, get right. Get the knee right. Get right. Listen. Get, get right and. Yeah, I know, I know. Lie, man. This gonna be the easy. I thought playing football was easy. Okay, that gonna be the easiest money you ever made. Ever made. We'll see long the money, right? Somebody. Okay, some money. We'll see, but yes. That's how I know he gonna get his ass whooped. Because he wor money. No, I'm. I'm going. I'm going in for business. You going in for business? I'm going in for business. What you doing after the show, huh? What you doing after this show? I'm going to go to French Quarter and smoke a cigar. I'm going to go. Tell me where you going. I'll meet you there. Okay, Bet we can take care of it then. I just told you. I just told you. I'm be in the French. I'll be in the French Quarter smoking a cigar. Okay? So whatever you want to do. Yeah, right. We got our next guest coming to the stage. Ot Yo, Hey, I ain't even shaking your hand. Go on ahead. Yo, I don't need to shake your hand. You talking about taking these off. All right, bet, bet, bet. I see. But I see you. Hey, I got Debo. All right, next. 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You know, we win a big game on the road against the Buccaneers, Buffalo, we think we can come bounce back off their bad game against Green Bay. He gets hurt. We lose guys on the D line. We lose Trent, we lose B.A. like, all these, all these injuries kind of just happen at the wrong time, and we just weren't able to continue to compete at a high level. So we got to get back, man, we got to get back on track this off season, get guys healthy and get that, get that dog back in us. Now, when you, when you think about the off season, right, are there any pieces, any acquisitions that you see fit that can help and bolster the defensive side of the ball, the offensive side? Are you, are you happy with the core guys you guys have? I mean, I see Miles Garrett asking for a trade. I'm like, hey, chopping it up at the Pro Bowl? Yeah. I love my team. I love who we have, right? You always looking for more, more pieces, you know, more improvement. Of course, you know, we need improvement going into next season, of course, based on the season we have. But I love everybody that we got in our locker room. It's going to take everybody just taking a look in the mirror and just taking that next step going to the next season. What is. Fred Warner, obviously, you've been a multi time all pro player. You've gone to Pro bowl, you've gone to Super Bowl. What's left? What do you want to accomplish, say the next four or five years of your career? Four or five Super Bowls. Four or five super bowl, man, that's, that's honestly the only thing I'm chasing at this point, right? When I, when I wake up in the morning, it's no longer of like, all right, I'm trying to just be the best in the game, right? I want to be the best of all time. And what does that require? Not only playing at the best, the highest level, but having a champion, having the championships, right? That, that's the ultimate team award is a Super bowl ring. And so what do you have to do? You got to go outside yourself. You got to get uncomfortable now. Where you going? You, you're getting after your teammates. Like, hey, man, man, come train with me. Come train in the bay. Like, let's get, let's get after. Let's get to it. So we making sure that we're training together and we're doing things the right way to win. Ultimately, the season comes, boom. Now we even that more locked in the chemistry there, the camaraderie, we got to build that up to start getting these rings going. What about a dpoi? Absolutely. Because, you know, you look at the great linebackers, from Singletary to Buckers, Ray Lewis, Earlacher Keighley, all those guys are able to accomplish that at the middle linebacker position. Position. And I think you're in that. You're in that category. Absolutely. But you're gonna need. You're gonna need to get one of those. Yeah. I'll take it a step further. Why not mvp? Okay, two of those now. Adam Page and lt. I figured I want to shoot for mvp, and then if I fall down on dpoi. Hey, that's good. That's the mindset, though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think. It's early. I've asked everybody that's been on here this as early as February right now. I'm not sure how much time you take off from your season before you start back training. What do you do in the off season? What does that look like before you get back into business? Before getting back into it? I mean, all that time in season when I'm dedicating that to just strictly football, like, I want to give some time back to my family, right? My wife, my son. I got a 10 month old boy at home who needs his daddy, you know what I'm saying? So it's kind of using that time to take some trips, spend some more time with them. Unfortunately, I got to come do stuff like this because I'm not playing in the super bowl, but. But it is a pleasure. Obviously, be amongst the greats and do stuff like this, but yeah, man, just spending time with family. That's dope. That's dope. I mentioned Robert Salas coming back. What does he add to the defense that maybe was missing because a lot of the pieces were there. I mean, obviously you got you and Bosa and Floyd was there. A couple of your DBs missed some time with injuries. But what is his voice being. You hearing his voice in your headset, what does that do for you and what does that do for this defense? I mean, it just adds another layer of stability, right? Having a guy that's proven that's done been there and done it. And with our team, not only just in this league, but with our team, you know, he's the one that brought me in as a 49er. He knew exactly what he wanted at the position at each position. Right. And so we're looking at a really young secondary coming back this year. A defensive line who obviously was a little banged up, but getting those guys back going, you know, we don't know what the second level gonna look like yet. I want. I want my boy Dre Greenlaw back with me, but having him as the ultimate teacher to get to right the ship and get us back to playing dominant defense, we're going to need it. This is what I want to ask you. Here's the situation. Drake comes back. DeAndre Campbell was in. He was playing. He was playing well, right? But Drake, Greenlaw, you and him, y'all got chemistry. And they inserted him back into the starting lineup. And Campbell's like, nah, this ain't for me. Did you know he had. Did what he had done on the field, or did you learn about it once you got into the locker room? Yeah, no, I didn't know he. I didn't know it was unfolding in real time. I found out later on. I truly wish devondre would have handled it a different way, because obviously now that's a horrible way to go out. But, yeah, man, it's just unfortunate that he had to make that decision. As a competitor. As a competitor, as great as you are at your position, do you understand where he was coming from? Even though he handled it the wrong way, do you. Do you understand that? No. Yeah. No, no. There's. There's, you know, there's. Obviously, you got to look at it from both lenses, right? You got to look at it from obviously our. Our team perspective, right? And you don't. You don't sell. You don't sell the team out. You can't do it. No. But from his perspective, obviously, he wants to be on the field. He wants to make sure he treated, you know, with respect and whatnot, which he obviously felt like he was disrespecting. So. So you can look at it from both angles, but at the end of the day, you can't handle like that. Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's just tough for me because, look, you understood why you was there. You was there because Green Law wasn't available. Had Green Law been available, you weren't been there. It wasn't like a whole lot of people beat down your door. I think along the way, there had to been some sort of miscommunication. Had that conversation with him because now obviously he. He up and left and that the. The ties have been cut there. But it's tough, know, And. And we had this con, remember? We just had this conversation with Michael Pittman Jr. But that when his quarterback tapped his head, said he was tired, he needed to blow. What did he say? I'm curious. I want to know what he had. They had a conversation, have a team meeting to know what was expected of him and what was going to be accepted of him. But the one thing like. Like you said we're a team. When you're a team, the one thing we don't leave anybody behind, we go, hey, we all. If we go down, let's handle it after the fact, after the game over. We gonna handle this. Yeah. I mean, and I get it. I mean, I don't think there's a ever a time. I mean, you suited up and you should have said, look, if I don't start, coach, if I don't start, I don't feel comfortable in play. Right. You can't wait till they need you. Oh, no, no, no. That's the part, that's the part that I got a problem with. He waited until they needed him the most and to pull this. Yes. It just, it was all handled the wrong way. You know, obviously, I'm sure he wishes he could have handled it differently, but it is what it is now. Yeah. What do you guys, what do your team need to do? I mean, you guys, you mentioned you have some injuries. The offense played well. P is going to get a big contract. You know, when your quarterback get those big contracts, you know, some people sometimes, a lot of times, Fred, they have to go contracts, you know, gets restructured or some teams you got to cut some really, really good players. Some really, really tough decisions that John lynch, the GM and Kyle Shanahan to head coach, they're going to have to make. And a lot of the guys that were on that roster for that final game, they're not going to be back. Right. I mean, but that's every year, regardless of the Purdy situation. Like you can go look at Philadelphia, for example. Like they paid Jalen Hurst now. They paid him a good back y. But their team is loaded. And why is that? They've been able to hit in the draft and develop young talent. Yes. Where they're now thinking like everybody's looking at their team like, oh my gosh, how is it? How are the Eagles so loaded? How did. Guess what? They found a guy in Zach Bond who was an edge rusher over in the same with the Saints, who's now an all pro off ball linebacker. Yep. Like you're, you're hitting in the right areas. You got obviously Jalen Carter in the draft, who's an all pro at D tackle. You, you sign a guy like Saquon Barkley who is one of the big time hits that you have had and then, and then everybody else who you already have on your roster is playing at a high level. So it's about just doing like these little things that you hitting on and everything coming together all at once to then ultimately give yourself the best chance to win at the end. Yeah, you definitely how Roseman has done an unbelievable job in the draft. You look at Cooper Dejon, you look at the other corner Mitchell mentioned, they lose Jason Kelsey and they get the guy to replace him. He goes right pro, he a pro, he goes to the Pro Bowl. You know, you had those big guns outside. You had Lane, you had my lotta, you had Dixon, uh, Dickerson, uh, in there. And you're right, they've done a great job in the draft and they've added some few pieces. They go out make the trade for A.J. brown, Hughes. And when. When you hid when you hidden like that, it's like you don't know. I mean, A.J. brown was phenomenal with the Titans, but I mean, he took another step, another level with Philly and found and like, found another level over here. So it's like you, you know, you never know, but they're. They're doing it right over there. And the funny thing about it, when it comes to the Eagles and the way every. Where they run, the way they're running things up there is they keep. Not only are they hidden, they keep on hitting. Every time. It always makes sense. It's like they playing chess, but they making every move the right move. Yeah, the thing with you guys were hurting you guys is that you're going so far in the playoffs that you're not picking 10, you're not picking. You're picking 30 of you. So Jay McCarthy is not gonna be a big. Well, that's why now it's a unique situation right now. We got 11 in the first round. We gotta pick 11. So obviously, you know, they're gonna use that however they see f fit. And let's. Let's roll like, let's. Let's use it to our advantage. Well, what would have helped had you not gave up all those picks for Trey Lance. That. That really set y'all back. You gave a first round of the High, but I ain't gonna say that my pay grade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fred Warner, All Pro linebacker representing Experian. Make sure you go download the app, learn how to save money, take control of your finances, and you can save time. Time. Fred, thanks for joining us. Appreciate you, bro. If y'all need some extra legs down there in the bay, let me know, man. Hey, hey, come on, talk to me, you Miles. We. We. He done it, buddy. I've never done it. He talking and he don't believe in me. Listen, I'm. I'm finna fight Debo, right? I'm gonna fight. I'm gonna. James Harris, you're gonna fight Debo. I'm gonna beat his ass. Okay. I'm gonna beat his ass. Y'all. Y'all fight for y'all boxing mma. So you don't believe in me either? You seen people that. See, we always look at people's sides and think that means something. No, no, no. That don't mean nothing like mma, though. Like, on the ground, like, how's he going? How's he gonna touch me? Fred, as quick and fast as I still am, you gonna keep the jab? You gonna keep it this, man, I'm finna beat the dog out of this ass. Hey, listen, you know, I'm team Debo now. He literally Debo, but I'm Ocho. What happened to Debo? And Friday got some there. All right, there we go. That's it. Good to see you. Appreciate. Good to see you, too. All Pro linebacker Fred Warner. In a recent interview, packers running back Josh Jacobs was asked if he believes the team should add pizza this offseason. Jacobs candidly responded, I think we need, like, three fellow teammates. Don Von I forget Wicks replied to this interview. Thumbs down. J re called out packers fans. We got a lot of packers fans, man. Help you, man. Your own player ain't crazy. Did the packers look to bolster their wide receiving core oo this offseason? Wait, they want to bolster their wide receiving corp when there's nothing wrong with their wide receiving core? Listen, you have. You have a young core of guys maybe. Maybe bringing a veteran presence. I'm thinking of there. Is there a veteran. Veteran presence that can come in and help. That they can learn from. Cooper cup comes to mind. Yeah, Cooper cup comes to mind. But again, the young receivers have done a phenomenal job, though. They've done a great job. Job. I don't know if you want to. You want to mess up that chemistry and continuity that he has with Jordan Love and those guys? I mean, Josh Jacobs asked. He said we need to bring in three pieces. He didn't say they need to be wide receivers. Yeah. So. But the wide receiver, I guess the wide receivers, you ask the offensive player that, then they think it's coming from an offensive perspective on what they need to bring in. So I kind of understand, man. He said Jaden Reed called out Packer fans, tweeting out a lot of y'all Packer fans. So F you. You effed up, man. Fast. Your own players Is crazy. I mean he just, I mean, I think the thing is sometimes, look, it's never easy when a teammate says, yeah, I think we. Because who brings, who brings back the status quo, right? The exact same roster and expect you're going to improve. You have to make tweaks somewhere, Joe. But also, wait a minute, let's say not making any tweaks, sometimes bringing back the same thing. The continuity and the chemistry. The continuity and the chemistry that they do have might be better than it was last year because now you have another year under your belt. But I think you still got to bring some pieces in. There's some look, you're going to lose some and you're going to add some. You just hope the pieces that you add are in the right area. Right? Because you're going to lose some pieces. Nobody's staying the exact same. Right. Tampa tried that after they won the super bowl, brought all their guys back and that didn't work out quite well. And so I don't think why would you ever if you didn't win the championship, bring all the pieces, stay exactly the same when you didn't capture your ultimate goal. But with that being said, said he was like, I guess he felt that a teammate, excuse me, a teammate shouldn't say what he said. But he didn't say a position. He didn't say a specific position. He just said maybe three pieces. He didn't say where those three pieces should be. You know, when you got a puzzle, three pieces to the three pieces to the puzzle is, is, is, is pretty large. It can go anywhere. Anywhere. But I think sometimes ocho when it's always a family member. Yeah, we can take criticism from outside, but if it's family, if it's from inside and when you look at the structure of a team, we look at us as being family. So anytime a family criticizes what we're going to do, right? Some might say homes.com is the best home shopping site. But why is it their sleek ad free user interface enjoy search experience without distraction. Maybe it's their unmatched school insight featuring district detail and reviews from expert sources like Nick pitch every parent's dream. Or is it their super comprehensive agent directory how they always connect you directly to the listing agent on every listing. 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Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Coming to the stage now is 2oo play for the Bengals Ted Caris and Alex Ka. Each one. One, one. What's up, bro? How you doing, man? Thank you. What's up, bro? How you doing? What's up, baby? Good to see you, man. What's up? Have a seat. Tell, tell, tell us what brings you out to see the Bounty, the Clicker Picker. Hold on, hold on. Bounty Wings, man. We're the Bounty Wingman today. You can't have football without wings. You cannot. You cannot have. And you can't have wings without batting. You cannot. Can't do it. So if this two ply the quicker picker up. All right. Oh, this is the good stuff. The good stuff. Really good stuff. The real. This is the. The Diesel. Okay. Yeah, I like it. Listen, I mean, we might as well be in Cincinnati right now. There we go. How's your experience so far? Been at super bowl this week? Kind of just, you know, just coming straight to Radio Row, you know. I've been to New Orleans. New Orleans a few times, huh? I love this town. You like it? Yeah. How's it been so far? It's been good. I had some beignets last night. Ah. But it's been good, man. Just hanging out here. Okay. Okay. Talk to us about the season. Obviously, you guys didn't make the playoffs and haven't been to the Super Bowl. You know what that's like. So what, what is the Bengals? What do you guys need to do to make sure that next year in San Francisco that you guys are not able to come through Radio Row? Yeah, I mean, you can't throw away games, right? Like, if you look at our early season, we had too many games that we just threw away, like game four or five games we should have won and we didn't make the play. And when you do that, it's. It's tough to dig yourself out of a hole even if you go on a run at the end there. That Patriots game really hurt, huh? Because when you look back at it and see where they finished and look where that one game. What if you like. And that's what it comes down to during the season. It's, look, we can. There's game here, game there, there. But you're like, hold on, we lost to that team. They're going to be picking third in the Draft and we lost to that team and they potentially kept us out of the playoffs. Yeah, no, and I think that's officially something that's, that's on our back as a program is to get these early wins in the season and not, not play from a 2, 3 game deficit against Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore and, and you know, just be in the pack because it's going to be tight regardless. Yes, yeah. But we can't drop three to start and expect to do anything in the afc. But you know how close those games are even between teams that win a lot of games and teams that don' if you don't play well, you're going to lose those games. It's that simple. You look at Kansas City, one score game, they don't lose one score games, you lose a couple of those games. Now all of a sudden the sit it works out different. Some teams one score game they might be 2 and 8. Another team in one score game, they might be 8 and 2. That's the difference between a team making the playoffs and a team that doesn't make the playoffs. What do you got? Look, you lose your defensive coordinator, you bring I think out, I think golden comes back in. He was a BB linebacker. Linebacker. End up going to Notre dame, becoming the D.C. he comes back. What are some of the things that you think you guys need to do in order to improve this overall team to make sure you guys just in the super bowl about four years ago. How do you get back? So I think it just starts with preparation. We got to come out of camp healthy and ready to go. Prepared, healthy, ready to go for week one, week two and put ourselves in a great position in our division and in our conference. I'm excited for Scott Peters, our new align coach. He's going to bring bring a great refreshing new energy to our room. I've talked to Dave Andrews up in New England and you know he, he speaks very highly of him. So I'm excited to get to work with him. Yeah. And it's not wholesale changes like I mean every game is going to be close the whole year. So it's making those plays. It comes down to execution and if you execute in those close games, that's the difference. Better get them right, get him right, get them right. Also, you know, also I want to point out also watching us, I'm saying us, even though I'm not on the team right now, watching us throughout the years, we always have a problem and issue with starting slow. We always start slow where we have to find our way. Pick ourselves out the hole. You know, what do you think we can do from an offensive and defensive standpoint to where we can get a. Get a. Get a season finally, where we start fast for a change. It is not so hard to climb back into. In contention later on in the season. I think we're probably gonna. It's probably gonna be a little bit different of a spring program. Right. And obviously camp, too. And, you know, I think that Zach wanted to play us more in this preseason. I think we'll probably have a bigger volume in the preseason coming up. You just talked about that. Yes, because I'm from the old school. He used to play the first preseason game. There's four preseason games. Obviously, if you went overseas or you played the hall of Fame game, you played five. But we would play 10. Play. The first preseason game, we played 10 play plays and then we play 20. The third preseason game was just our dress rehearsal. So we're playing three quarters and then the fourth game we were out. Now a lot of these guys that y'all. You guys don't even play the preseason. How difficult. And then now you ask, well, you don't play the entire preseason. All right, we're going to turn it up. We want you to go all out. 60 plays. That's answered an awful lot, guys. Yeah, but you still see, see, teams do it. Like, I think the Rams, when they won the super bowl, they didn't play at all in the preseason. So. So I don't. I mean, it's doable. I don't like to look at that as like, kind of an excuse. Like, I really think it comes down to executing plays like, like, why did we lose those games? I don't think it's because we didn't play in the preseason. I think it's because we didn't play well. You know what I mean? Like, I was just kind of pointing to something that we could change to just change up the mojo, even. Yeah, right at the start of the season. This is really the first season that job has been completely healthy. I don't know how much he played because he's nursing a calf injury. So he didn't participate a lot during training camp. But this is really the first season that he hasn't been health, that he was healthy. And you guys didn't make the playoff playoffs because normally when he's healthy, you guys make a deep run. AFC Championship game or Super Bowl. How important it is to make sure that he's healthy, he's upright. Because when he's upright, he's as good as we have in the league. Yes, sir. Yeah. I mean, and that shows that it's a team game because he was playing as good as he could play and when we all didn't play well enough around him. But obviously our job's to take care of him. And he. He's. That's normal. I mean, let me ask you a question, because I was always interested. Like, when your guy beats you for a time sack and you go be like, damn, I sure hope Joe didn't know that was my guy. He'll know soon enough. They put it right on the. Right on the street. You got to get out in front of it. That's on me, brother. That's on me. That's on. My bad. My bad. So, guys, you're representing Boundy. So what are you guys doing for Boundy? We're wingman, dude. The wingmen stick together. Wingmen are there for each other. And so we're just representing wingmen, you know, Bounty that. Well, they say there's billions of wings eating super bowl week or something like that. Bounty will keep it clean. It's rare. It's a rare, very rare that offensive linemen get an opportunity to pitch products. Oh, yeah. Normally it's skill. Player, quarterback, quarterback, wide receivers, DBs, linebackers. Now you two guys are actually pitching products. Well, we're the dynamic, Joe. I mean, once you see this guy eat wings, then you would understand he's a wing punch. Tour all flats. All flats, no draw drums. Never. I like that. I'm a flat guy. I'm a flat guy. But, like, don't act like you're too good to eat a drum. Like, we can all eat. Come on. Yeah. I was about to ask flats or drums. So if we get. If we get a 50 platter, how many flats? How many drummings? I go 30. 20. 30 flats. I'm going 50. 50. 50 flat. 50 is better than people. That's why. Fry them better. You can grill them better. They're better sauced up. It's a better dip. Not as, like, you know, sometimes in the drum, you get like that sinewy tissue, right? Yeah. Pure meat. Okay. Yeah, I like that. I have one question. I want to. I want to. I want to. I want to take it back to football real quick. Especially during the off season with some. Some. Some things that are going to have to happen. We're going to have to pay Jamar chicks. We're going to have to pay T. Higgins. Do you think it's possible to be able to fit Everybody under that umbrella and being able to pay what they deserve based on their play thus far. There's always a way. I mean, you look at teams that manipulate the cap like crazy. There's always a way. You don't even need to manipulate it. This year it's going to 275. But you have to understand, you talk about team being able to manipulate the cap. Also don't have a T. Higgins. Team don't also have a Joe Burrow and a Jamar Chase. And most teams don't have a Mike Brown as an owner. It's tough to let. Don't talk about. Don't talk. Don't talk about my owner. Well, we'll defend. Let him know oo that. That's the biggest thing. The teams that manipulate the cap, those are the teams that really want, that really spend money, and they'll worry about the cans on the back. Sometimes. Sometimes you got to sell out for a couple years and see what happens. You mentioned the right rams. That's what they did. They make the thing with. With Matthew Stafford and they got. They got the trade. Make the trade for Von Miller and you got AD and you got Leonard Floyd and you, you make a trade for Odell Beckham, you get Jalen Monks. And now they're still winning, even though, like some of that Tom Cap, they had to carry over stuff like that. But they found a way to win. And the thing is that you bring that mindset in there once guys get a taste that could win. Oh, yeah, yeah. It sticks. Well, that's, I think, why Patrick Mahomes is so dynamic. He. He knows how to win that organization. I mean, they're winning games 19 to 11, you know, 15 to 10. It's like, ah, those are weird games. But somehow they're winning. It doesn't even seem like they're playing that good. And then they come out and win the game. That's all that matters, too. In this league, that really is all that matters. Thank you, guys. Ted Caris, Alex Kappa. Thank you guys for joining us. Bounty wing, they say. Did a wingman fans, check it out. Thank you, guys. Can't have Wings without Bounty. Can't have Wings without Bounty. Because somebody's got to clean up that mess. Come on. Thanks for having us. Thanks, guys. I'll see you. We out. Yes. Thanks. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Good luck. We take it. Appreciate it. Good see you, baby. All right. All right, y'all. I got you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What's up, bro? Coming to the stage. What they do, baby? You got it. Cleveland Brown's all world cornerback, Denzel Ward. My guy D. You up, Ocho? D who up? You must be talking about Madden. You ain't talking about real guy Madden up. I done studied. I done studied him to a T. I could tell him about his whole game, what he gonna do down at this man. Nathaniel the Great. Hey, listen, one of. One of the greatest technicians. Are you going to be seeing the tweets where I talk about. No, I study. No, that's love. I appreciate that. I ain't even playing the game. You can't, boy. But, hey, the real deal. Yeah, hold on. I got one technician, Denzel Ward, number one. That got damn Stingley. Now, everybody could play Kona, but it's a different. I'm talking about that dog. Remember the play? You just saying PS2. Nah. No, hold on, hold on. No, I say certainly. I'm talking about technical. Like it's different the skill set. You know, watching somebody six two do it and watching somebody. How tall you were? Six foot. Yeah, it's different. Oh, he's so fluid by the hip, the footwork, ran the deep. Higgins. Yeah, yeah. I'm mad. I'm mad. Oh, dog. No, that's. That's. That's. Denzel, thanks for joining us. Obviously, the other day, you know about it. I don't know how soon you heard about it, but Miles Garrett sent a letter to the Cleveland Browns. He's asking for a trade. Care to comment? Anything you want to say? Oh, man, like I said earlier in the season, I feel me and Miles, we like Shaq and Kobe. So I've been saying that. So I want to play with Miles Garrett. You know, I don't want him to leave, but if he leave, what's up? You asking you? I don't know. Just check the details under the trade. I might be in there, but I don't know, man. Like, I want to all say, I love Cleo. I'm a hometown kid in Cleveland, and shoot, I mean, I want to stay home. What Miles is saying, we got to get this thing rolling, but we never know. That's the NFL. We'll see what happens. But you have. You also have to understand, when you look at the landscape of the NFL, you look at the teams that win consistently year in and year out, there's one position that allows you to contend for Lombardi Trophy, and that's the quarterback position. Now, the Browns haven't been able to find a quarterback adequate enough to make sure they're always in contention year in and out. So at some point, you do understand where Miles Garrett is coming from about his wish and hopes to contend for Lombardia? Yeah, no doubt. I mean, that's the main thing. Like, I mean, just last year we had the number one defense, so, I mean, we got things kind of settled, I feel, on that end. So like I said earlier, we need to solidify the quarterback position. Our quarterback been hurt and we just been rotating guys in and out and it's hard to win like that in the NFL. So do you feel you're the best DB in the league? No doubt, no doubt. Like you said, I feel I'm a technician. I feel I'm number one technician in the league at corner. I'm a playmaker too. Like, I make play. I'm the. The most play making corner out there in the game or whatever. But funny thing, when you talk about DBs, right? 95% of DBs play not to get beat. He got 5% play to make a play. There's a difference. There's a complete difference. You don't understand. I can see and talk about DB player. I like DB player as opposed to receiver more. Do you think I want you to be honest with yourself? Do you think at any point in your career right now, now, when you came in, when you was in college, that you could cover me? Come on. I feel that's a rhetorical question. You know, I just want to know if you really feel you could do that. Yes. Like serious, serious. No, I mean like. Like you think you get over and you're prom. You like you getting over. Get prime. I can get over on your ass right now. You're not. I seen one. One clip. You got hemmed up for one. I ain't having no clicks. I ain't see. I ain't seeing. I really couldn't dig up out of it like I wanted to and whatever. When he stabbed, I was just gonna go up under it. I couldn't. I couldn't get up under because I had no grip. I'm gonna say the old Ocho, he'd have got around that. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the old ocho. Yeah. I'm 57 now. He's just an old Ocho. Not a whole Ocho. Old Ocho, yeah. But let me ask you this. When you look at Jerry Judy, he came to Cleveland after some years in Denver and the quarterback play had a lot to do with that. He was technical. Now you talk about. I can imagine those, those one on ones in practice because he's technical. He can get in and out of breaks. He got great movement. What did you see? What, what do you think the biggest difference was between him in Cleveland, at Denver? I think it could have just been opportunities for real opportunities. But like you said, he a smooth route runner. He go, he go get in and out them breaks like that. Like in practice, we going at it every time. So we getting each other better for the games. But yeah, I think it's just opportunities. Getting the opportunity to get the ball more and being that number one guy. He. He the number one guy for us and he been making it happen this year. How was it having James in the locker room? We see, we see those James there. They be dumb sermons. No, I love, I love James, man. James a great quarterback. I feel sure he is giving us the best chance to win. He gonna throw that ball when he, when he get out there. But just a great team guy in the locker room, like what you see on, on film, in the clips, viral clips, like, that's. That's really who he is. That's him. So you gotta appreciate that and love who he is. Listen, since you've been in the league right now and you, you understand the landscape of the receivers, who do you think the best receiver in the game is? Or just give me your top three based on those. You play those. You play space. Yeah, yeah. Like since I've been in the NFL, you're like right now. Right now. Let's go right now. I'm gonna put Jamar Jamar up there. Just being. Having to see him two times a year, that's always gonna be a battle. So Chase Devonta. I went against him. Adams. Yeah. Jefferson. Yes. Okay. Well, you said three or four, five. What you said. I mean, your top three is. I'm good with that. Is there someone that gives you trouble? Like I. When, when we. When I talk about DVDs during my playing day and I think of someone that gave me trouble. It was only one. And that was Rebus. It was only one. You know, regardless of where it was in my. It was technically sound. He was patient, had patience like Sally May. You know, people ain't going to pay. Sally kind of patiently had the lines, so nothing I did would really work. He would arm bar. He was always in position. And. And then his ball skills. He had the ball. You have the same ball skills. You and Derek Stingley might be the only two I know that have elite ball skills that don't get impatient. They don't panic when the ball isn't there. That's the biggest thing. Nice and Calm. But he had that same thing. What receiver gives you trouble? If there was one? It's okay to be honest. Yeah, I'm be honest. It's a lot of great receivers, but I don't feel no one just give me like, oh, it's just crazy trouble. No, but when I first came into the league, Antonio Brown, I don't know, going against him as a rookie, I feel like, okay, you know, this is really a matchup. Like, he put pressure on me. Right, right. But I mean, it's a lot like Chase, like that's a tough matchup and stuff like that. But I don't think guys. It's too many guys. That's really just. I feel working me. I ain't work. Okay, I got you. I got you. I would look at it, looking at your sides, I would say they're not the really the big receivers you remember. Like, Keo was a big receiver, Julio was a big receiver. Guys that played through contact. Contact. I would think a smaller guy. That's your size, like. Oh, yes, right, right, right. It's those big guys that. That use their physicality that want to. Want you to try to put your hands on them so they can play through that contact. How do you adjust that? How do you adjust to that? Do you prefer playing against bigger receivers knowing that you can transition better than them, knowing that it takes them a while to get out, they break and I didn't see you, but you twitching as hell now. What you prefer? That's a good question. That's the tougher part too. Going against a bigger receiver like, let's say Mike Evans. I think it depends on where you at on the field too. Like we in the red zone. Okay. Then it might get a little to trying to throw a jump ball back. But I feel when we in a big field, I don't really have no issue where they big receiver, short receiver or whatever. Just using my quickness and technique, I feel that's what put me in position. How do you stop? Because I think the hardest ball to stop, the hardest field to stop. Back, shoulder. I knew it. How do you stop that back shoulder? Because if you are. If you behind him, he go throw the goal ball. If you're in front of him, he go back shoulder you. How do you defend that? Really? You trying to dictate the route. So me, I'm going to take away the nod, the deep ball first and then force him to. Because, I mean, that's a tough throw. You got to really be on time. And like, the only guys I really seen on great Thomas, Aaron Rodgers, and Devonte, and that's Green Bay. And Green Bay is when they were able to hit that back shoulder like that. So the back shoulder, I don't think that's gonna beat you or in the game. Like, you want to take away that nine ball first. That's why I'm taking away. And then I'm just gonna compete back on the back shoulder. All right, that's what's up. Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns. All world DB says, hey, me and Miles Garrett might be a package deal. No, he didn't say that, but Miles Garrett, the magic trade. He wants to play with Miles Garrett. Hopefully it's in Cleveland, but it doesn't seem like Miles wants to finish his career in Cleveland. And come on. Come on down to Cincinnati. No, he don't want. But like you said, and you want to. Hey, you want to win also. I want to win. That's why. That's. That's why you play this game. Yeah. You can make a lot of money. All the awards, the All Pros and the Pro Bowls. That's nice. But you want to be at this game. Yeah. And not doing what we're doing here today. So good luck down the road. Thanks for stopping by. Nightcap. We appreciate it, Denzel. Appreciate y'all, man. Sure you can't come for me, though. Yes, sir. You already know that. You know I can. Yeah, Yeah, I know. You beat him up. I ain't working, huh? That's it. Oh, man, we done. Where Debo at? Where Debo at? Hey, Chad. He gonna see you in August. Chad. I just want y'all to know how serious this is. It's not a game. I'm finna start training right now. Six months. I got six months. I'm gonna holler at Adesanya. Cause, Ades, we probably had the same skill set, same height. I'm gonna beat his ass. I promise you. That's on my kids. Same skill set as Adesanya. Height, you know, just, you know, I'm slender. Or maybe that's the only thing y'all got. Y'all. Y'all slim Ocho. Okay? So I. I. That my fight style needs to be just like his. I can't. I can't talk. McGregor's too short. That's not really my run. I'm not running. I'm not running nowhere, man. Anyway, Chad, I love y'all. I appreciate you. It's coming. It's coming. Just know I'm going. I'm putting this idea. I'm looking for a co host around August. August you could take. You could take Ocho seat like probably around mid August to September. So I'm looking for a co host. It's gonna be Unc and somebody else. Unc and whoever. 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