Nightcap Hour 2: Ravens owner wants to win now, Fan calls out Mayor for being Cowboy fan, & do you take hotel baths?

Summary

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Title: Nightcap Hour 2: Ravens owner wants to win now, Fan calls out Mayor for being Cowboy fan, & do you take hotel baths?
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.

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1. Ravens Owner’s Ambition to Win Now

Timestamp: [05:00] - [07:26]

In this segment, Shannon Sharpe and co-host Ocho delve into the Baltimore Ravens' current strategy under their ownership. They discuss Steve Bisciotti’s impatience for immediate success and the team’s window of opportunity with quarterback Lamar Jackson.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe [06:10]: "It all comes down to two things. Turnovers. That's all it comes down to in those games..."
• Ocho [06:47]: "I'm ready for my team to break through the ceiling and make it to the biggest game of the year."

Shannon emphasizes the importance of minimizing turnovers and believes that as long as Lamar Jackson remains healthy and effective, the Ravens have a strong chance of making a deep playoff run. Both hosts express optimism but acknowledge the competitive nature of the AFC North, highlighting Cincinnati as a significant rival.

2. Trademark Showdown: Lamar Jackson vs. Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Timestamp: [07:26] - [12:35]

The conversation shifts to a unique trademark dispute between Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson and NASCAR legend Dale Earnhardt Jr. Both parties are vying for rights to the number "8," sparking discussions about the challenges of trademarking numeric identifiers.

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho [07:51]: "Lamar Jackson is challenging NASCAR legend Dale Earnhardt Jr. from the number eight trademark."
• Shannon Sharpe [09:41]: "Low carb, low calorie, you know, it's some, it's, it's certain players, like when you see their number..."

Shannon provides insights into the significance of numbers in sports branding, comparing Lamar's emerging legacy with Dale Jr.'s established icon status. The hosts touch upon the difficulty of trademarking numbers, noting that specificity and uniqueness are crucial for successful trademarks.

3. Navigating Dating Standards and Financial Expectations

Timestamp: [25:14] - [33:14]

Shannon and Ocho engage in a candid discussion about modern dating standards, particularly focusing on financial prerequisites. They explore the complexities and double standards that exist when men and women set high financial benchmarks for potential partners.

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho [26:11]: "But you know, what you got. You know what? She already told you."
• Shannon Sharpe [28:42]: "Whatever you believe in, whatever your standards may be, go for it. ... shoot for the highest you can."

The conversation highlights the societal pressures and expectations that influence dating dynamics, questioning why men often face criticism when expressing high standards while women articulate their own ambitious criteria without similar backlash. They argue for mutual respect and understanding in setting personal boundaries and aspirations in relationships.

4. Fan Criticizes Mayor for Supporting the Dallas Cowboys

Timestamp: [20:53] - [22:35]

A heated discussion unfolds as Shannon and Ocho address a listener’s complaint about the Upper Darby Township mayor’s allegiance to the Dallas Cowboys. The fan criticizes the mayor’s sports preference as reflective of poor leadership.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe [21:01]: "Residents of Upper Darby Township, when you elect the Cowboys fan to your government... this is a Cowboys fan."
• Ocho [21:50]: "I hate it that every year you just have to start back over again."

Shannon defends the mayor’s right to personal sports preferences, suggesting that team allegiance is often rooted in childhood and personal history. The hosts discuss the broader implications of how sports affiliations can be perceived in leadership roles, emphasizing that personal interests do not necessarily translate to professional incompetence.

5. The Debate: Do You Take Baths in Hotels?

Timestamp: [22:35] - [32:10]

In a lighter yet relatable segment, Shannon and Ocho debate the merits of taking baths versus showers in hotel settings. They share personal anecdotes and preferences, highlighting the practicality and time constraints that influence their choices.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe [22:44]: "I ain't taking no bath. No, hell, no."
• Ocho [23:22]: "I don't know. That's a stretch there."

Shannon expresses a clear preference for showers over baths due to time efficiency, while Ocho humorously emphasizes his reluctance to spend time bathing in hotels. The discussion underscores the common travel dilemma of balancing personal comfort with practical constraints, resonating with many listeners who face similar decisions.

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Shannon Sharpe and Ocho blend insightful sports analysis with engaging discussions on societal topics. From the Baltimore Ravens' pursuit of immediate success to the intricacies of trademark disputes and modern dating norms, the hosts provide a comprehensive and entertaining exploration of each subject. Their candid conversations and notable quotes offer listeners both depth and relatability, making the episode a valuable listen for fans of sports and contemporary issues alike.

Notable Final Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe [45:16]: "Sometimes things work out. Sometimes things don't. But it doesn't have to stop there."
• Ocho [41:20]: "Matter of fact, I'm gonna be with who I want to be."

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This summary captures the key points and discussions from "Nightcap Hour 2," providing an engaging overview for those who haven't tuned in.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, listen, it all comes down to two things. Turnovers. That's all it comes down to in those games when they've lost, even though they've been able to overcome. Lamar has been able to overcome some of the turnovers early turnovers in the game, late in the game. Obviously we know how it ended with Andrew dropping the ball and having an opportunity to tie the game, not knowing what would happen going into the second half or overtime at that point. But still, listen, about him saying Bashadi in general, saying he's impatient. He wants to win. Now. As long as you have number eight at the helm, as long as you haven't made it him, you're going to always have a chance every time. There are a few quarterbacks in the league, there are 32 teams, there may be five or six quarterbacks that are going to be in contention every single year. You can have a goddamn blindfold on. I guarantee they'll be in the playoffs. The Baltimore Ravens is one of them. As long as number eight is upright, alive and well, you got a shot every time. Now all you have to do is just finish it off in the postseason. That's it. Eliminate the turnovers. That's been your Achilles heel so far. Once you've made it. So they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. He has nothing to worry about. Just the simple fact that the AFC north is run through Cincinnati. That's the only problem.

[Ocho]

No, it ain't no Ocho. Check this out. Lamar Jackson is challenging NASCAR legend Dale Earhart Jr. From the number eight trademark. Lamar says it's too close to era eight brand name. Jackson filed a similar trademark opposition to Troy Amman in 2024 and they're still battling OO Lamar versus Dale Jr. Who owns the number eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, listen, Dale, Dale Jr. We talk about, I. An icon. Talk about an icon in, in, in the racing world. Someone that's been around for a very long time. Listen, Lamar Jackson still has a ways to go. He's an icon in his own right. And what he's doing down in Baltimore, I, as a quarterback in general, you know, he's continuing to cement his legacy at some point. Once he get that, once he gets that ring, he's going to solidify that. Still one of the all time greats right now. But, but that eight, that Earnhardt there different. That eight represents something else that's, that's, it's iconic. That last name alone.

[Ocho]

I mean, when it comes to a number, the only number that, that's Anonymous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Is 23.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Is 23. That's really the only number that's synonymous with you. Look, I understand they retired. You know, Magic was 33 in college, but Kareem had 33 and so he slid to 32 and boom. Shaq was 30. What, what was Shaq? Shaq was 32. 32 in OR. Yeah, but he ends up going to 34, so I get it. But when you think of numbers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It'S just gonna be hard. I mean, you know, I think Troy Aikman got a beer called, I think he has a beer called eight or something, if I'm not mistaken. I think he does. Oh, yeah, I think he has a beer. I think I, I, I think, I think, I mean, don't quote me on that. Don't you? But I think I was reading something that he has a beer called eight. You know what? Hell, I got my phone here. I'll look it up. Hey, it's, it's E, I, G, T, H. Yes, he does have a beer called eight. Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Low carb, low calorie, you know, it's some, it's, it's certain players, like when you see their number, when you see a certain number, a certain player resonates with that number. Regardless of what team, regardless of the color of a jersey. You know, I mean, I ain't trying to toot my own horn, but when you Sing. When you see 85, you know, for the most part, at 85 in general.

[Ocho]

I think Isaac Curtis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stop lying, man.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's you. I'm just saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I'm with you. Right. When you see that 12, you know, it resonates with, you know, Tom Brady. When you see 15, for the most part, even though he's still playing, you know, you think of Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, in 99. You know what? 99 is the great one. Gretzky.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Listen, as great as he is, ovexian is only three goals away. You know that. 304 goals. But, yeah.

[Ocho]

But, hey, the great. Well, when he get nine heart trophies.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Get a road.

[Ocho]

Talk to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay. That's different. That's different. Hey, speaking. I think obiwan obexing Wear 8, too. Lamar Jackson has. Lamar Jackson is one of those players as he continues to play and play well throughout his career, whether he win. Whether he wins a ring or not, that number eight can resonate with him. When he's. When he's gone and done playing, that number eight can also resonate in remembering him as well.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you know, there are a lot. Look, we're not saying anything, but the first day somebody say 99, I'm thinking Gretzky, somebody said, give me the famous 99. I'm gonna thank Gretzky. You want to say. If you're a Yankee fan, you want to say Aaron Judge or you a Bucks fan? I know. SAP. SAP, my boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

But come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, come on now, 99.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hold on. I thought. I thought Dale Jr. Was 88.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did he get.

[Ocho]

Why. Why. Why does Dale want. I thought Dale Jr. Drove the 88 car. 88 is too close to 8. Hold on. Well, hold on. Lamar says era 88 is too close to era 8.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, maybe. Maybe. Maybe the spelling. Maybe the way it's spelled. I mean, I. I can't see it in front of me, you know, for context purposes, but I'm assuming.

[Ocho]

I mean, he says E R a. E R A 8. Error. 8.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't know. That's a stretch there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's kind of close. Usually when you. When you trademark something, you wanted to stand alone and be by itself.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that. That. That. That. Those two. It kind of coincides a little bit, and it's too similar. Yeah, too similar. Hold on.

[Ocho]

Let me see what I got. I got to look this up. Joe. Joe. Because this. I know his dad was the number three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, the legend.

[Ocho]

No, he drove. He drove 88, and he drove eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the 88 car was all white. I'm. I'm not sure who the sponsor was. I remember it was all white. I can't remember who the sponsors were at the time. You know, I didn't. Been to a few NASCAR races on. You been a NASCAR race before? Inside, outside. Listen, that's one of the. That's one of the best dates when you first meet somebody and you want to do something different, something that obviously who the woman you're dating has never experienced. Take it to a nascar. Take it to a NASCAR race and sit outside. No, that. That's. That's.

[Ocho]

Man, they don't like that. I don't know if they can take that noise. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. It's different, but put your earplugs in if that's that. If that's the problem. It's different. It's different. It's fun. Get. You. Get your hot dog. Get your beer. Obviously, I don't drink. I had my cocoa. No, I got my hot dog. You know, my little popcorn sat there. Great conversation. You know, watch it. Watch. Watch the cars going. But that's neither here nor there. But that's just a great date for anybody in the chat that. That. That want an idea on what it takes. Somebody that they just met, somebody that you already know. NASCAR race. If she can't sit there with you, she don't deserve nothing. None of the finer things in life if she don't like NASCAR.

[Ocho]

Dale has trademarked 8, not 88. Okay. So he tried to. I don't. Yeah, I don't know. Troy has trademarked 8 as spelled out. I mean, numbers are hard to trademark. Ojo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because they're like, well, who they belong to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You ain't created.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It's hard to trademark a number. Well, I mean, slogans like the three peat. Pat Riley owns that when he coined the phrase I got copyrighted. Yeah, I was hearing that. I hear Lou will tell the story. When I called him Lemon Pepper Lou.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He asked Pat Bev, you think it's gonna stick? Pat said, it's already done stuck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, it is.

[Ocho]

He went out and got Lemon Pepper Lou. Will. You know, he got. Hey, I'm just happy that he liked the name. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was a good one.

[Ocho]

I have a. I didn't think of a. I was just being funny, you know? Cause, you know, we are. We talk about. We go get the wings, and I'm still.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'M still waiting on us to take that trip to go get them wings. We ain't been yet. I'm trying to see what all the fuss is about.

[Ocho]

We're gonna hear. We gonna hit change spot two, Candyland.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Okay. Gramlin State head coach Mickey Joseph said there should be buyouts when players transfer to bigger programs. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Ojumpa.

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We understand, we understand. I think the kids understand if they're here and if they sophomores and they have a big year and a group of five or a power five approach them and they have the finances to pull them out of there and I can't match the finances, then you know what they're going to go. That's part of it. Coaches have been doing it for years. So we shouldn't get mad as coaches when these kids make decisions to take care of their family. Because like I said, I'm going to say it again. Coaches been doing it for years, but I also think they need to be a buyout if they move up, if they move up for me and go to group of five and power five, I should get kind of a compensation for that. Ncaa, you listening to me? I need a buyout.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like, I like that. I like that.

[Ocho]

I can't say he wrong when he right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I'm, I, I, I love it. Especially a small school like that. Listen, allow it to be beneficial for us, Allow it to be beneficial for us, especially going to a bigger school that has more money to be able to attract the players and pull them away from me. You know, make it beneficial for me. You know, I mean, why not? I like, I like that idea. I'm not sure if it, it will go into effect if there can be a rule change for that matter. Especially, you know, if you're, some schools.

[Ocho]

Have that Ocho, if a coach have to leave, you have to buy, you know, he has to buy himself out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Or the program that wants him to come in gotta buy him to buy him out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho]

But there is some type, some type of compensation. Yeah, that's, you know, and, and I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like that because based on the scenario, obviously coming from a HBCU or coming from a smaller school, the chances of it happening are it, it's not going to happen that often unless you're just superior. You got to be superior for Peter. A Power 5 coming to a small.

[Ocho]

I give you an example. Had that been happened, a Walter Payton at Jackson State.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

A Jerry rice, a Steve McNair. Yes, sir, a guy like myself, Michael Stran.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you see how, you see how seldom. You see how seldom. Yeah. It is happening. And now we talk, we talk about a difference. We talk about it. I mean, listen, I, I, I lucky, I love, I love the idea because it's not going to happen that often. But you get that gem, you get that diamond in the rough, he had the opportunity, why not compensate, you know, the smaller school, you got the funds to do it. I like that idea a lot.

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[Ocho]

Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Philly man called out the mayor for being incompetent because he's a Dallas Cowboy fan. Let's take a listen to this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what happened, guys. Residents of Upper Darby Township, when you elect the Cowboys fan to your government, 29 years of losing with this team, what do you expect with the leadership? This is a Cowboys fan. This guy follows the Cowboys.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what type of leadership they have and that's what you put your trust in. Cowboys fan. Sickening. Hey, you gotta be able to separate the two, baby. You got to be able to separate the two. Your political views and the way things are run with the country and government and the team you decide to support based on probably your childhood. That's normally where it comes from.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but I mean, you're not expecting to see somebody from a whole Ocho that's a rival. I'm not expecting to see somebody run for mayor in Denver and they talk about they're a chief fan or they're a Raiders fan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, that's why I said him being a fan of the Dallas Cowboys and being in Philly, being in office, he is a fan of them simply because of something that happened when he was young. When he was young, that's all. I guarantee you that it was his parents or he grew up. They grew up watching the Cowboys during those times when they were winning and winning Super Bowls. I guarantee that's where it comes from. It's not like he just woke up. He's from Philly and was never a Philly fan and was a Cowboys fan. Guarantee you got something to do. It always. Listen, everything starts when you're young.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, everything starts.

[Ocho]

Gillian Wallow was arguing over taking bath in the hotel. Ocho, would you take a bath at a hotel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, Uncle, I ain't got no choice but to take a bath to the hotel. I'm gonna take. Not a bath. I take a shower. Now they sneaking.

[Ocho]

I said a bath. I didn't say no shower.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, I ain't taking no bath. No, hell, no. Matter of fact, Unc, I ain't been in no hotel in a very long time. Now, I just left San Diego. I just left San Diego yesterday. Just got back to Miami this morning. I ain't seen a shower in a very long time. I mean, I ain't seen a bathtub in a hotel. The hotels I stay in in a very long time. So I'm glad now that you posed that question. I need to get in and out. I need to get in and out. I don't have time to take no bath. Lighting candles and then bubble bath. I ain't got time for all that.

[Ocho]

No, I, I. I only take nothing. I ain't taking no bath in my own home, let alone the hotel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no.

[Ocho]

Hell no. Sit my big ass in a tub and they don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah, I don't like it. I ain't got the patience for that anyway. Go ahead, Ocho. Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Ruby. Rose said you need to make $5 million a year to die.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For content purposes. Because that.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what this is for content purposes. I mean, that's just. Everyone can have their dreams and aspirations. Everyone can have their. What's the word I'm looking for their prerequisites on what's required to date them. So I'm not gonna knock. I'm not knocking her prerequisites. Now, it's a little steep. Based on the individuals that have 5 million that make 5 million or more a year, that. That pool of 1 percentage you have to choose from, you know, I mean, that's cool. That's cool. As long as you understand what comes with that. That's pretty.

[Ocho]

Well, at least. At least she already told you what she about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So she's under no pretenses. Yeah, I. Look, it's just as easy to date a rich man. It is a poor one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And if you're giving a choice, hey, she said, I'm gonna take the rich one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

But you know, what you got. You know what? She already told you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. What time it is, what she's about. Yeah. Mm. But I. I like the deal.

[Ocho]

So what? So. So let me ask you a question, Rose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She cute? She cute, huh? She's fine. Huh?

[Ocho]

Not $5 million fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think so?

[Ocho]

I've seen women. I've seen women finer. I've seen women look better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[Ocho]

That's just me personally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

Hell, I was just. Hey, in Houston, I saw 10 of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ocho]

I know. Three for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do me a favor. Don't. Don't mention Houston no more. Because I've been.

[Ocho]

You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. I've been focused. I've been disciplined.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. But, yeah, I think. I think at some point she was dating Drusky, if I'm. If I'm not mistaken.

[Ocho]

Drew Ski.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, she's. She's gorgeous. She's gorgeous.

[Ocho]

So I would do that. That's what I would do. In order for. Order for Ung to date you, I'm gonna need you. I'm gonna need you to make at least 10 million a year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. Oh. How many women on Earth are making 10 million a year?

[Ocho]

That ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm telling you what my standard is, okay? What the fudge that got to do with me? Hey, hey, if she could. If she could say she wants somebody that make 5 million, why can't we listen?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that. That's. That's the. That's the beauty of life, too, huh? That's the beauty of life. As. As. As. As men, as women, we can have prerequisites and have certain standards and abide by them and boundaries, whatever it may be, I want my man to have abc and I want my woman to have a, B and C. And if they don't meet those standards, I'm gonna keep it moving. Now, the chances of finding some of the things that people require is slim to none. But if you're gonna shoot for the. If you're gonna shoot for the moon, or if you're gonna shoot for the stars and then fall short and land on the moon, so be it. You know, I like.

[Ocho]

But here's the thing, though, Ojo. You see how women can have standards?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Women can say, I want somebody six foot tall. I want somebody to make X amount of dollars. I want somebody that has a degree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now.

[Ocho]

I want somebody that's well read and likes to travel. Shannon says, oh, he don't want a woman to pass gas. Right? That's why you're single. You see, now, women just listed off 5, 10 things what they want, Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Right.

[Ocho]

That ain't why they single. But hey, I said, I don't want no woman to pass gas around me. I want a woman, she go to the bathroom, I don't close the door, right? Oh, I can see why, Unc. Single women tell you all the things they want. The first thing a man says, they'll say, well, you know what? I want a woman that's about 5, 10. I wanted to have her natural hair. I wanted to have everything natural. He's so shallow. Ah, a man tell you what he want, he's shallow. Women go out there and tell you everything I want this, this, this and this. Hey, hey. I don't blame you, baby. Don't settle. Don't settle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they love. They love that.

[Ocho]

But a man supposed to settle.

[Wendy]

They love.

[Ocho]

Women never supposed to settle. Yeah, man, y'all better miss me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, it's. It's an ongoing battle. It's the ongoing battle of the sexes. And what we want, what we require. There's a lot of delusion in it as well. It's. I like it. I like it. Whatever you believe in, whatever your standards may be, go for it. Go for it. Again, like I say, shoot. Shoot for the highest. The highest you can. The chances of you getting, you know, what you're actually shooting for, there's slim to none but hope and believe that one day you may achieve it.

[Ocho]

I mean, but I'm saying, ocho, I don't care. I don't care what race you date. I don't care whatever the case may be, but it seems to be jaded for one side that a women gets to have all these prerequisites that they require from a man. But the moment a man says this, oh, he's shallow, right? Oh, he's this, he's that. Why can't I say I want this right out of a woman? Like women say they want this from a man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think this isn't dope.

[Ocho]

That's all I'm asking. I don't care what you date, right? I don't care who you date. But I'm just asking, why can't men have standards like women? Hey, we're supposed to take what, anything. We supposed to take anything that wink at us. And I lay down, hey, you better be glad, shadow. You're 57, right? I don't give a damn if I'm 87. Yeah, you ain't fit to put no stipulations on me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Double standards. Double standards. Depending on.

[Ocho]

I said, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Depending on who you ask that's a. That's a great. That's a great topic. That's a great conversation too.

[Ocho]

I got an A if she. If five is a hundred thousand, whatever the case may be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Most of the time, men. Men don't say, oh, she needs to make this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no.

[Ocho]

Okay, you treat me good. Okay, blah, blah, blah. Then, you know, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, But. But also, you got to think about this too, Uncle. Men that make that kind of money, men that make that kind of meaning, 5 million and more, they like dealing with women that don't have as much or really don't need them because they don't want to deal with women that need that. That don't need them. They want to deal with women that need them. That puts them in positions of power where they're able to control what you can and can't do. So they, they, they, they. They enjoy that. And most women, I don't think they. They understand when you deal with these men that have that kind of money that are taking care of you and doing everything for you. Oh, you. Hey, there's really no freedom, huh? Because you make. You make one mistake, the chance of getting that again, and slim to none. You got to be careful.

[Ocho]

The reason why men, because a woman that makes that kind of money, she don't have that kind of time to devote to a man, any. That kind of money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're right.

[Ocho]

So women that don't make that money, the man is expecting them to be there at their beck and call.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho]

If a woman make that, she's working just as hard as a man that's making that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So that's why you don't see a lot, a lot of times. A lot. Sometimes not all. But I'm talking about, like, movie star.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, the saying is, you know why movie stars? Because the other know what it's like to live in that world. But when you start seeing women, men, okay, you make a million, you make two men, you make five, you make 10, you make 20.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Do you understand what is required of a woman to make that kind of a salary?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's different. Boy, that's a different ball game.

[Ocho]

She ain't gonna be cooking, coming home and cooking for you. Please. She ain't gonna be no bro. Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's different. It's different.

[Ocho]

So you have to understand, okay, I want somebody that's gonna, you know, be the mother of my kids. I want somebody that's gonna stay home and take care of the house. Woman that's making 10 million. I don't believe she giving that up on y'all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

She don't work too hard to be put in that position.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I'm just.

[Ocho]

I'm just saying I could be wrong, but it's hard. It's hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not wrong, because y'all understand. A woman that's making $10 million a year, that's a plan that's been thought out. Strategize years in that whole life. Her whole life. And you. She's not messing that up. No, that's.

[Joe Johnson]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That wasn't a mistake. That was not a mistake.

[Ocho]

So it's. It's. Man, the women, and they got real bold with it, but it is what it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but listen, It. It eliminates gray area. It eliminates gray area, and it eliminates games. Now, what it does do, it makes a percentage of the type of men that they can date. It shrinks the pool very, very, very, very, very small. I want a man that makes $5 million. Well, I know one thing. All the men, they make $5 million or more. I mean, well, the chance. I mean, you got to wait to turn to come off the bench. That's about it. You ain't gonna be the only one. But he does make $5 million. I mean, you know, they get. They get the pick from the. They get the pick from the pond on who they. On who they want to deal with.

[Ocho]

They get the criminal crop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, that specific day.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You understand what that comes with now? I mean, listen, sometimes women don't care as long as they got it. Hey, but it is what it is.

[Ocho]

Ocho is being reported. A woman divorces her husband after $11,000 nose job and discovered her worth. It changed my life. I had a lot of time to recover after the nose job, and it made me think I need to really get the divorce so I can move on with my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, there's certain things that happen for women in life. They come into some money, they get things done to enhance their body, their appearance, and then they start getting attention from others, the type of attention that they never got before. And no, most of the time, it fools you when you get attention from others before, especially not only when you're married. You have somebody that actually loves you. You have somebody that loves you, you build a foundation with them, and it's different. As opposed from the lust that you're getting from others.

[Ocho]

That. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You understand? They just. They just want to have fun. I hate it.

[Ocho]

Different. Ocho, it's different, huh? When you home?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And your girl. And your girl said, hey, Ocho, you look good today. Now you going with your boy. Yeah, like, damn, Ocho, I ain't doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what you see it all.

[Ocho]

You see all the time coming from a different mouth. And you hear it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'll fool you every time, huh? It will fool you every time.

[Ocho]

It absolutely will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It will. And stuff like that happens. It happens all the time. It happens all the time. You go from. And listen. I love that line. I like. Happens to a lot of women all the time because they allow the outside. The outside voices to get to them. Because it's new all the time.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you leave. You know, women leave relationships with guys where they have a solid foundation where things are going well. And most of the time they have these beliefs and then thinking everything going to be pieces of cream when it doesn't work that way. In the outside, voices had you going for the main attraction to. Now you just another number on a dude roster because you think the grass is green on the other side or somewhere else. And it happens like this. Countless stories of this happening over and over and over and over. It's ridiculous. Especially this one story here. Oh, I got my known job now. I'm getting all type of attention that I never got before, and I think it might be better somewhere else. But you leave your loving husband, your solid foundation, someone where you got stability, and you think it's better elsewhere. Man. Man, shoot, Ocho.

[Ocho]

And I'm great at giving advice. I just don't take. Sometimes I don't even take my own damn advice. And that's why I need my ass kicked. I told my homeboy, my homeboy had. My homeboy had this girl, man, she was amazing. She cooked clean. I'm talking about this a. I need $500. She might have 400, right? She gonna give him the 400 and go borrow the other 100 to make sure he get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on now, man. Come on, now.

[Ocho]

This dude, I said, man, don't do that. I said, you got a good girl, right? I said, man, she great, right? They end up getting married. I mean, she was great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There we go.

[Ocho]

Ocho. Ocho. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Ocho]

And this dude, I mean, he's like. He like. He like, dog. It's just something about that newness, the new one. She knew this. This was new, right? I say. I say, bro, your wife gonna be new to another ninja.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I said, bro, I'm telling you. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They still. They still together?

[Ocho]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, one Thing about it. One thing about it. You never. You never know what you got until it's gone.

[Ocho]

You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You never.

[Ocho]

You know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You never know what you got until it's gone. You never. You never do. I. I've never. You know what's funny is I've been in the game so long. I've been playing the game so long is I know when I'm always right. I never missed. I never missed. Never.

[Ocho]

All I'm saying, look here. If all of a sudden your lady start working out. Yeah, she working out for somebody else to see her naked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. Hey, that's. That's a beautiful thing right there. That's a beautiful thing, too.

[Ocho]

Not only.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, not only is she working out for somebody else to see her naked, that means he get to take the. He get to take her off the books. You know, when I. You know, when the team. The team, they want. You know what? You know, we don't see you putting in the same type of production as you used to, so we gonna have to ask you to take a pay cut if you don't. Well, you know, I ain't taking no pay cut. All right, well, we're gonna have to release you. You know what it feels like for an NFL team to move off from a player whose salary is 10 million a year or 20 million a year, and then you get that 20 or 10 million off your books. You know how much freedom that is? So can you imagine you having a woman who's working out all of a sudden, out the blue, so another man can see her naked? That means he gets to take on that responsibility and those expenses and those bills and that headache. Yeah, that's a great. That's a great thing. I'm not sure why. Many times, see, when things end as, oh, my God, I'm gonna chase behind her, or I love her, man. What are you talking about, bro? What. What are you talking about? Who chases after an expense that doesn't even want to be with you anymore?

[Ocho]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I understand love and all that. Think about it. Why am I chasing after another expense or whoever it is that you in love with? If things aren't working out, what are you. What exactly are you chasing? What value is she bringing to the table to or for you?

[Ocho]

It all depends what you're looking for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

If you. If you find. If you found a. If you found a woman, you found someone. She works. She has a job. She's working. She's bringing stuff to the table. She's helping you you're helping her. Okay, that's a great relationship. Now you find a woman, you say, babe, hey, you can continue to work. You don't have to if you don't want to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Ocho]

Because I need you to do X.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y, Z right here at home.

[Ocho]

And in the process, I'm going to make sure everything that you normally would have to cover, I'll cover it right now. Me. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Ocho]

I understand that. She's like, well, nah, I kind of want my own thing because I don't want to be under control. Because if you control the money, a lot of times he who controls the money controls me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every time. Every time.

[Ocho]

It's just like the job. Yes, sir, the job. Feel that they could teach you a certain type of way because they control the money. Now if you need the money, you're going to have to act. So a lot of times she's like, I don't want to be in this situation because I don't want you to have that level of control. Okay, fine, fine. But it's just like, I just hate, I just hate these conversations, like, because it's so one sided.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Ocho]

It's so one sided because I get. Let's just say for the sake of argument, ojo, I have a kid with somebody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Now, okay, she's loving me, she's cooking for me, she's providing. You know, she's doing what a woman could do. Okay. I'm doing for her, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But what happens? She leave. See, the state will require me to do all the things that I was doing before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Ocho]

They'll require me. She don't have to do nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

She don't have to give me no more. Hoo ha. She don't have to see me no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

The state will require me to take care and do what I need to do. You see how one sided that is?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it is.

[Ocho]

Why wouldn't the state require her to do something for me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I like.

[Ocho]

But you know what, Ocho? At this juncture of my life, I'm only going to be with who I want to be with. I don't care.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. Matter of fact, I'm gonna be with.

[Ocho]

Who I want to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, speak. Speaking of junctures, speaking of junctures in life, obviously at my, my big age or your big age, I mean, I'm in search of a life partner, always have been. And when one thing doesn't work out, then you keep on moving and you stay in search of that life partner.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm very intentional in all that I do and I say it all the time, especially those that I meet, you know, And I am looking for a wife and family dynamic. Now if I try one time and it doesn't work out, you don't stop. And that just goes with anything in life, you know, that goes with anything in life. And I like the fact that all the time, especially we have these conversations where a lot. Where a lot of people can. Can relate. Sometimes things work out.

[Ocho]

Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes. Sometimes things don't. But I hate people that. That give up on their dreams or aspirations or whatever it may, whatever it may be. And the funny thing about it is, you know, things happen in life. Things in. Yeah, it does. But it doesn't have to stop there. It just doesn't stop me.

[Ocho]

Of the evening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that was a good one. I don't even know where the hell I was going with that.

[Ocho]

I know I'm going to bed in about five minutes. All right. O. Kemper, Norwood Jr. Question is UNK. My question is, is Aaron Judge on place to hit 40 or more home runs this season? Yes. Significantly more than 40.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably.

[Ocho]

Wait, Izzy Rivera's unknown. Your question would have another better stat line in the game against another Elway and Unc apartment Ocho, who wins as the better duo well, that, that's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even fair because you're comparing a tight end and receiver and I mean it depends on the target. There's so many different variables that go into that. I mean I'm have a goddamn day depending on who the hell we got out that goddamn cover them, you know. So it all depends. It all depends.

[Ocho]

And the thing is with Ocho, see, man, I'll be having this, man, I had TD in my backfield. I damn, they had. Damn it. Every year have 11, 12, 13, 1400 yard rushes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we.

[Ocho]

It's not like the tight ends in today's game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Unless. I mean, I'm trying to think, well, like who. I wonder how many balls likely caught this year. How many balls did likely catch, Ash? And, and because I think I had like I had when TD rushed for 2000. I had 64 balls, caught 64 passes, like 650 yards and 10 touchdowns. Ain't a whole lot of balls going around when you rush for that kind of, those kind of yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Ocho]

How many likely had 42 catches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Ocho]

How many, how many did the guy for the Eagles have? Goddard. I'm feeling pretty good now, huh? He had 42 too. I had 64 with a 2,000 yard rush in my backfield. So I feel, hey, I feel pretty good. Tyron said, what's up Uganocho? If Stair Kerr wins another ring, will he unquestionably be the Goat point guard? Is jokic a top 20 player all time already, man. I just have a hard time putting him over Magic, man. Damn. Who Steph?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, right now? Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

I have a hard time. Mocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, put him over Magic. What would he, what would he need to do? I mean he.

[Ocho]

Because see, I look at Steph as a two guard masquerading at the point. Most of the time the offense runs through Draymond.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah.

[Ocho]

I think we, I think now we would have to have a better conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uh huh.

[Ocho]

Right now I think Magic is the Goat point guard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho]

But I think if we did, we really have to have an honest, true discussion. But Magic was a true point guard. I don't look at Steph as a true point guard. Is jokic a top 20 all time player? I say yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Already.

[Ocho]

I would say yes. I say yes. I like hell he gets another ring. Hell, he might. I might have to put his ass in the top 10. But he ain't done. Now you talk. I mean, he's not done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got a ways to go.

[Ocho]

I can see a Situation, Ocho, where he has another two, three, four years where he's putting up numbers like this. I'm not saying that he's done winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

MVPs, but damn.

[Ocho]

Ojo, think about it. He's won three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

He's finished second. Embiid. He's about to finish second again. So in a five year span, he's three. He's won three, and he's been second twice. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you'd be able to. You think you'd be able to keep this consistency up? Okay, I like it.

[Ocho]

Pat Dub said to be honest. I understand Josh should do better, but he ain't the only one doing the gesture. BP did it. Did it tonight against the Lakers. Yeah, I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

DP also doesn't have a history of getting in trouble.

[Ocho]

Correct.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And remember, it was different.

[Ocho]

No. Remember when Mutombo did this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

They outlawed it now because he was doing it. I guess they say, well, no, you got to do it, you know, so now you got to turn your back to the guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ocho]

So they're pro. Because a lot of times, you know, guys get hot, they'll be young, like they, you know, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They cool off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

So, just got my VIP ticket. Aaron. Owen says I just got my VIP tickets to see you guys in Chicago. Aaron. Thank you. Can't wait to see you, bro. Yeah, we're gonna have some fun in shot time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Trey Parker. I just got engaged with. Oh, to ho thing. That a ring on your finger, ain't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, hold on.

[Ocho]

I guess you do. You got a ring on your finger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I just.

[Ocho]

I just got engaged with Ocho. That's a ring on your finger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I just. I just got re. Engaged.

[Ocho]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Life goes on, man. Life goes on.

[Ocho]

We're not getting into that tonight, O Joe. We're not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. I'm being honest.

[Ocho]

I know you being honest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm serious.

[Ocho]

I'm not playing like, oh, we believe you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. You know. You know? Yeah. I had to move on, you know, So I told you. I told you 20, 26. I told you what it is. I'm walking down the aisle with somebody. Oh, Lord.

[Ocho]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think, man, Listen, everything I do in life is intentional. It might come off funny, it might come off in jokes, but I'm almost over that mountain and I ain't doing this shit by myself. I'm leaving here with something.

[Ocho]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap, brought to you by Boost Mobile. Visit your Nearest Boost Mobile store or Boost Mobile to join their nationwide 5G network today. Please make sure you guys hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite UNC. Shannon Sharpe, number 85, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree. The Pro bowl of the all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And please go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Guys, thank you for your support. Thank you for staying up late with us tonight. We know it was a late night, but you guys stayed up with us and so hopefully you enjoyed it. Joe, ISO Joe was amazing. Hopefully we can get him back on the show real, real soon. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media thank you guys so much. Because of you, we've gotten nominated for six Webby Awards. Six. Three for Club, Shay Shay, three for Nightcap. And it's all because of you. Thank you again so very, very much. The link is pinned into the link is pinned in our bio and so please go vote for us. Voting ends on April 17th. Please go follow my clothing company, Eighty Four. With Eighty Four being spelled out, everything is restocked. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited, so please go get yours while supplies last. Because once they're gone, they're gone. Tickets for the Not Safe for work tour went on sale last week. Our eight stops are as follows. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, LA, Miami, NYC, Chi Town, Detroit. Tickets can be found at shayshaymedia.com tour the link is pinned also in the chat. Great guest lineup shaping up for you guys. Can't wait to see you guys. Get out there, get have some fun, have some jokes, have some serious conversation. ISO Joe, we want to thank you, Joe Johnson, for joining us tonight to talk all things hoop. You did an unbelievable job, bro. Look forward to having you back on the pod. Real, real soon. The warriors beat the Lakers 123 to 116. The Lakers fall to the fourth spot. The the warriors move up to the fifth spot. And if the playoffs were to happen today, the Lakers and the warriors would face off. But we still have games left, and that could easily change. The warriors could go up to fourth, maybe even third. And the Lakers could slide down the field six. Who knows, maybe even seventh. But the warriors win. 123, 116. Thank you for joining us for Nightcap. I'm up. He's Ocho. We will see you on Sunday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Volume.

[Hypnotic]

When it's Tip off time at my house. There are a few things that are must haves on my checklist. My fellow friends and fans. Check my favorite jersey. It is good luck. Check an iconic drink that's a fan favorite.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check.

[Hypnotic]

Hypnotic can turn any cocktail into an iconic creation. With its game changing color and tropical flavor, Hypnotic should be in everyone's starting five. I consider Hypnotic the point guard of my game day roster because not only is it versatile like having it on the rocks or as a base for cocktails, it also finishes smooth. So grab a bottle of Hypnotic and make your next basketball watch party Iconic. Enjoy the vibrant taste with friends and turn every game into a memorable celebration. Hypnotic where every sip is a slam dunk. Hypnotic Liqueur Bardstown, Kentucky 17 alcohol by volume Hypnotic reminds you to think wisely, drink wisely.

[Wendy]

Wendy's is the official hamburger of March Manners, which means more deals for you and more burgers for your face. It also means we got a junior bacon cheeseburger or a double stack for $1 with an in app offer and a purchase. It's hard not to get excited when there's an offer of two of the freshest hot off the grill burgers that Wendy's makes. The Junior Bacon Cheeseburger with the fresh beef Applewood, Smoked bacon cheese, crispy lettuce, tomato and mayo and the hot and juicy Double Stack with two patties of fresh never frozen beef with cheese, ketchup, mustard, pickled onion the real champions of March Madness. Head to Wendy's app and grab a $1 junior bacon cheeseburger or a $1 double stack with an in app offer and a purchase for the freshest deal on fast food. Gotta be Wendy's.

[Albertsons]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Spring is in full swing so take some time for self care. This spring now through April 22, buy two self care items and save $2. Shop in store or online for self care essentials like Tom's Toothpaste Soft Soap, Liquid Hand Soap, Colgate Optic White Toothpaste and Colgate Total toothpaste and save $2 when you buy two participating items. Offer ends April 22. Promotions may vary, restrictions apply. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

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